[00:01] <the_dark_warrio> Is someone experiencing a bug with fullscreen blender and compiz? Gnome panels are still on top of blender
[00:01] <the_dark_warrio> changing to metacity fixes the bug
[00:01] <dmatt> benjamin_: i try it on my jaunty
[00:01] <Plugh> I'm over at a different computer in case Roey comes back soon and I don't answer him right away.
[00:02] <Plugh> Roey, how did it go?
[00:02] <Roey> Plugh: wellll so I booted it,
[00:02] <Roey> it dropped me to busybox
[00:02] <Roey> I did modproibe md-raid4
[00:02] <Roey> ls /dev/mapper
[00:02] <dmatt> benjamin_: it works for me, try again these two commands
[00:03] <Roey> Plugh: only saw 'control'..  so I did find /lib/modules -inam "*dm*" and found no such driver anyway
[00:03] <dmatt> benjamin_: sudo apt-get install update-manager
[00:03] <Roey> Plugh: and the builting modprobe of ash doesn't tell you anything if it can't find the module.
[00:04] <Roey> Plugh: so basically I jsut saw 'control' in that directory.
[00:04] <benjamin_> dmatt: it's already at its newest version
[00:04] <Roey> Plugh: and modprobe -l showed no dm driver loaded
[00:04] <dmatt> benjamin_sudo update-manager -d
[00:04] <dmatt> :
[00:05] <benjamin_> dmatt: yes! an upgrade button
[00:05] <dmatt> benjamin_: congratz
[00:06] <dmatt> read release notes before upgrade
[00:06] <mzz> heh
[00:06] <mzz> if all you want is an upgrade button I'm sure we can throw you a script that displays one
[00:08] <Plugh> Roey, ok. I think it comes down to the system not realizing you have drives in raid configuration
[00:08] <tag> I have a Lenovo T400 and a dock, I had some trouble with the ATI card so I disabled it at the bios and am now using the integrated Intel Mobile 4 Series....for some reason, I can't seem to get the dock's DVI port to register a monitor, though
[00:08] <Roey> Plugh: yessss
[00:08] <Roey> Plugh: (sorry just want to tear my hair out at this point ;)
[00:08] <tag> xrandr lists a "DP1" which, I'm not sure whether that's a DVI or not
[00:08] <tag> and shows no monitor connected, although one is
[00:08] <xrandr> i do not :)
[00:08] <tag> The VGA port on the dock works fine, though.
[00:08] <Roey> Plugh: oih.....
[00:08] <Roey> can I pm you for a sec?
[00:08] <Plugh> Roey, no need to do that. Its a bit of a pain but fixable.
[00:08] <Plugh> sure.
[00:09] <Roey> it'd make it a little easier to converse without all these messages flying between ours
[00:09] <Plugh> Btw, it took me about a half dozen boots to figure out the name change for my raid drives
[00:09] <Plugh> sure
[00:09] <Roey> wow :)
[00:11] <tag> blasted
[00:12] <knarfix> hi, does songbird work on karmic?
[00:16] <scott_ino2> anyone here have experience with a logitech 9000 webcam?
[00:17] <scott_ino2> it's horribly out of focus
[00:18] <scott_ino2> anyone her have experience with a logitech 9000 webcam
[00:19] <rafferty> hi all... Thinkpad audio issue - headphones work but speakers do not. Same issue with Jaunty and most other distros, but works in Win 7. Any help??
[00:19] <dmatt> scott_ino2: try to turn it to focus
[00:19] <scott_ino2> dmatt, k let me check
[00:20] <StevenX> how do i upgrade to karmic koala
[00:20] <StevenX> dont' care if it's not final version
[00:20] <Flynsarmy> Sound doesn't appear to be configured correctly in karmic RC...when pidgin makes its message received sound the first part of it gets squished so it plays alot faster...sounds really weird. common issue?
[00:20] <scott_ino2> dmatt, nope doesn't turn at all
[00:21] <dmatt> scott_ino2: manual?
[00:21] <SchneeSchwarz> StevenX: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades
[00:21] <rafferty> StevenX, go to Applications > Software > Upgrade on top right.
[00:21] <StevenX> ty SchneeSchwarz
[00:22] <scott_ino2> dmatt, no manual focus is what im getting at.. if you're referring to the manual id on't thnk that's gonna help
[00:23] <scott_ino2> dmatt, ive found a ubuntu thread about fixing it i think... but it's written for jaunty so i don't know if it'll work
[00:23] <Flynsarmy> Anyone having sound issues on karmic?
[00:23] <dmatt> scott_ino2: i think it is mechanical thing... but I might be wrong of course
[00:24] <scott_ino2> using libwebcam from the quickcam team you can adjust the focus
[00:24] <scott_ino2> but if i have to run that everytime just to use it im not gonna be too happy
[00:25] <dmatt> scott_ino2: shouldn't it stay fixed if you focus it once?
[00:25] <scott_ino2> ummm well im certainly hoping so haha
[00:25] <scott_ino2> im gonna give it a shot
[00:25] <scott_ino2> might have to force a few things though
[00:27] <NerveClasp> Hello! I have a problem with add/remove, Ubuntu Soft Center applets! add/remove sais "ImportError: No module named gconf" and USC sais "ImportError: No module named pygtk" what can be done?
[00:28] <NerveClasp> also gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/computer-janitor-gtk.desktop computer-janitor-gtk sais ImportError: No module named computerjanitorapp
[00:29] <NerveClasp> what is wrong?
[00:30] <outside_> Hey guys
[00:30] <outside_> I have a bit of a problem
[00:30] <outside_> ATI Drivers don't work
[00:30] <Jeruvy> !enter | outside
[00:30] <Flynsarmy> Sound doesn't appear to be configured correctly in karmic RC...when pidgin makes its message received sound the first part of it gets squished so it plays alot faster...sounds really weird. common issue?
[00:30] <mzz> NerveClasp: ls -l $(which python)
[00:31] <outside_> I believe I read the only solution is to downgrade X11, what are the plans to fix this?  I have no 3d acceleration.
[00:31] <NerveClasp> mzz:  2.1
[00:31] <fool__> is it out yet ?
[00:31] <mzz> NerveClasp: what?
[00:31] <fool__> #_#
[00:32] <mzz> NerveClasp: do you mean you have python 2.1 installed? How did you manage that?
[00:32] <NerveClasp> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-10-13 23:51 /usr/bin/python -> python2.6
[00:32] <outside_> Can anyone assist me with downgrading X11 so I can get an actual graphics driver working?
[00:32] <NerveClasp> mzz: what do you mean?
[00:33] <mzz> NerveClasp: you're telling me a bunch of python stuff fails with mysterious ImportErrors. I asked you to run "ls -l $(which python)". What was the output of that command?
[00:33] <mzz> ah
[00:33] <mzz> NerveClasp: please don't say "2.1" if "2.1" does not occur anywhere in the output, it's confusing :)
[00:33] <NerveClasp> mzz: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2009-10-13 23:51 /usr/bin/python -> python2.6
[00:34] <mzz> NerveClasp: (especially if "2.6" does occur, and the relevant part I'm looking for is "2.something" :)
[00:34] <NerveClasp> mzz: oh, sorry=)
[00:34] <mzz> NerveClasp: python -c 'import sys;print "\n".join(sys.path)'|pastebinit
[00:34] <khazil> for some reason I had to rebuild gst-mixer and gnome-applets/mixer
[00:37] <NerveClasp> mmz: http://pastebin.com/f673135c1
[00:38]  * mzz frowns
[00:39] <mzz> NerveClasp: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/ is suspiciously absent from that list. Let me figure out how that normally gets added
[00:40] <scott_ino2> alright im getting this error i think im missing some development packages: CMake Error: your CXX compiler: "CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND" was not found.   Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compiler path or name.
[00:40] <mzz> NerveClasp: does /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/python-support.pth exist (should be a symlink) and what's in it?
[00:41] <mzz> scott_ino2: apt-get install build-essential might help
[00:41] <scott_ino2> yeah that's what i was looking for
[00:41] <scott_ino2> hopefully
[00:42] <scott_ino2> mzz, yeah we're good now
[00:43] <NerveClasp> mzz: It does exist but it is empty
[00:45] <CService> mzz prt
[00:45] <mzz> NerveClasp: wild guess: sudo update-python-modules
[00:46] <dodddummy> the taskbar not taking mouse clicks properly is driving me insane
[00:46] <mzz> CService: just ask in here if you have a question
[00:47] <mzz> "prt" triggered a ParseError which was ignored
[00:47] <NerveClasp> mzz: it's still the same((
[00:47] <CService> mzz: give me a root or a shell
[00:47] <mzz> NerveClasp: any interesting output from that command?
[00:48] <klabezo> please help me if i update my ubuntu from 9.04 to 9.10 is there some applications will not work or will want to be update ?
[00:48]  * mzz isn't going to go outside to dig out a tree root right no
[00:48] <mzz> now, even
[00:49] <Roey> hello
[00:49] <Roey> my stock install doesn't seem to be loading dm_raid1 on startup, and then complains about not being able to find /.
[00:49] <Roey> how can I fix this?
[00:50] <NerveClasp> mzz: from "sudo update-python-modules"? no.. from "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install" > "Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 27, in <module>  from AppInstall.activation import main  File "/usr/share/gnome-app-install/AppInstall/activation.py", line 20, in <module>  import gconf  ImportError: No module named gconf"
[00:50] <mzz> NerveClasp: just checking: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/python-support.pth is a symlink to ../../pymodules/python2.6/.path which exists but is empty?
[00:51] <mzz> NerveClasp: afaict update-python-modules should've written that file, but you might need to force things a bit if it got confused
[00:51] <mzz> NerveClasp: can you pastebin "sudo update-python-modules -v"?
[00:52] <NerveClasp> mzz: done
[00:53] <NerveClasp> mzz: still the same((
[00:54] <mzz> NerveClasp: define "done"
[00:54] <mzz> there should've been output now
[00:55] <NerveClasp> mzz: about /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/python-support.pth > I doubleclick on that link, and an empty document appeares in gedit
[00:55] <ebb> is there a count down somewhere ?
[00:55] <NerveClasp> mzz: done with sudo update-python-modules -v
[00:55] <mzz> NerveClasp: so I'm assuming that didn't fix it, but I'm also assuming there's output
[00:56] <mzz> that output interests me :)
[00:56] <NerveClasp> mzz: no output.. just a new blinking cursor
[00:56]  * mzz frowns
[00:57]  * Roey lifts mzz's frown into a smile
[00:57] <Roey> what's up?
[00:57] <matt_> screen resolution is 800x600 maximum.  do i need a video driver?
[00:58] <mzz> NerveClasp: ok, sudo update-python-modules -pv
[00:58] <ubuntuLover> why aren't there are there any Linux viruses?
[00:58] <mzz> matt_: either that or a bigger screen, probably :P
[00:58] <mzz> ubuntuLover: because nobody likes linux enough to write a virus for it
[00:59] <ubuntuLover> I hope you're being sarcastic, have you read my name? :-p
[00:59] <MightyTweek> !virus | ubuntuLover
[00:59] <NerveClasp> mzz: hooooray!!! thank you! It worked))
[00:59] <outside_> Great news everybody
[00:59] <outside_> the newest driver from AMD fixes the issue
[00:59] <outside_> I am downloading it as we speak
[01:00] <outside_> You should expect to get lots of complaints about it next week...so..if you see it..tell em to upgrade to the -10 driver for AMD
[01:00] <Veinor> whoever runs ubottu needs to change A/V to AV
[01:00] <Veinor> because A/V is audiovisual, not antivirus :P
[01:01] <Veinor> er, audio/video. you get my point.
[01:01] <matt_> where can i find drivers for my laptop?
[01:01] <outside_> matt_: Driver for ATI?
[01:01] <ubuntuLover> I asked because I can't sleep with a stupid cough and was wondering if there's some sort of analogy what Linux does to prevent viruses that I aren't doing
[01:02] <mzz> matt_: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and possibly also lspci|grep -i vga?
[01:03] <matt_> !paste
[01:04] <outside_> I like how you guys have bots to say common messages to people =)
[01:05] <matt_> !paste
[01:06] <ubuntuLover> yep, I'm not doing anything that Linux does to prevent viruses... all my cell are apparently writable and with unlimited priveleges... where's the system admin when you need one?
[01:06] <MightyTweek> ubuntuLover: Maybe you're not washing your hands often enough. That's kinda like running applications as root... sort of...
[01:07] <ubuntuLover> MightyTweek, that's a fair point. But I thought that having a healthy organic vegetarian diet and vitamin supplements would make up for that.
[01:08] <matt_> screw you ubuntu clipboard!
[01:08] <matt_> sorry
[01:08] <ubuntuLover> that's like installing the best anti-virus out there
[01:10] <Roey> hi again
[01:10] <matt_> mzz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/303216/
[01:10] <MightyTweek> ubuntuLover: I would say that is true... but remember, even the best anti-virus can only defend against things it knows about, and for the human immune system, that's by being exposed to them (or being vaccinated). The human immune system does not yet have the capability to download updates from a centralized server :)
[01:10] <Roey> can anyone help me understand why GRUB dumps me to a busybox hll?  http://pastebin.com/m1fba2c0e  <-- contains the output of 'blkid' and the contents of grub.cfg
[01:10] <Roey> PLEASE I've been sitting here for two days on this.
[01:11] <ubuntuLover> MightyTweek: Ah I like the "yet" :)
[01:11] <mzz> matt_: ah, virtualbox. I missed that in the problem description.
[01:12] <matt_> mzz, sorry i didnt say
[01:12] <mzz> matt_: iirc "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils" followed by a reboot will help
[01:12] <ubuntuLover> MightyTweek: Yes, but at least were equipped with an immune sistem that reacts to emotions, so I hope the gigle at your message killed at least a few thousands of these buggers!
[01:12] <matt_> sweet, thanks bro
[01:12] <mzz> (or manually modprobing the modules, the reboot is for lazy people :)
[01:12] <Scunizi> If I install 9.10 64 bit with it's own home and then change the /home to my older seperate 8.10 install then do a update, upgrade dist-upgrade will all the packages be brought up to the level of 64bit 9.10?
[01:13] <matt_> mzz, that would be me!
[01:13] <CShadowRun> Has anyone noticed that nautilus shows you a Floppy Drive option, when you don't physically have a Floppy drive in the machine?
[01:14] <scott_ino2> CShadowRun, i don't have this shown
[01:14] <MightyTweek> ubuntuLover: I hear the feature is coming in the next release ;)
[01:14] <CShadowRun> o.O
[01:14] <stpere> CShadowRun: probably some BIOS gone rogue
[01:14] <CShadowRun> guess so
[01:14] <ubuntuLover> I liked the Linux virus link... very informative and ends in a tone somewhat challenging and encouraging! Hmmm...
[01:15] <ubuntuLover> thanks ubottu
[01:16] <mzz> ubuntuLover: imho it's not as much more secure as it is a bit more diverse and with a small enough userbase that it hasn't been thoroughly attacked yet
[01:17] <mzz> the "cannot write to system binaries" one is partially moot for an effectively single-user machine, for example: a slightly more clever virus could dump lots of fun infected stuff in ~/bin and add that to your $PATH if it's not there yet. For bonus points it can hack up your gnome/kde menu to run those binaries.
[01:17] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yes that was my first thought and also as teh article mentions that it's difficult to hide a virus in an Open Source environment :)
[01:18] <Plugh> Hm... I'm running 9.10 on a desktop and on a laptop. On my desktop the default gdm login screen shows my user name as an option that can be selected but I don't see a list of any users on the gdm login screen on the laptop.
[01:19] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if you go and run arbitrary downloaded stuff you're really not as much more secure as some people seem to believe.
[01:19] <ubuntuLover> mzz, maybe my cells are being way too secretive and no sharing enough... and since the cells reflect the behaviour of the organism... omg... I'm too selfish! that is the problem!
[01:19] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yeah I agree
[01:20] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I knew I should have donated to that charity :(
[01:21] <ubuntuLover> anyway...
[01:21] <ubuntuLover> the final version is comming out tomorrow, how excited ar eyou guys on a scale from 0-10 ?
[01:22] <richardcavell_> ubuntuLover: I'd say 9
[01:22] <richardcavell_> especially because it has better support for hardware
[01:23] <ubuntuLover> yeah and the new packages manager sounds like a beauty!
[01:25] <ubuntuLover> Does anyone here use Ubuntu One yet?
[01:25] <Scunizi> is there a grub cleanup utility in 9.10? looking to do a 9.10 install alongside my 8.10 & windows.. after testing I'll delete the 8.10 partitions and redo the reference for /home from the 9.10 install to the one left from the 8.10 install.. so I'd like to remove the grub references.. (I know I can do it manually)
[01:26] <xrandr> ubuntuLover: 9.10 out of 10
[01:26] <xrandr> and it goes out as stable tomorrow?
[01:26] <mzz> Scunizi: update-grub should do the trick
[01:26] <Scunizi> ubuntuLover: I've tried but there has been server problems
[01:26] <ubuntuLover> xrandr: ah! I see what you did there :-p
[01:27] <xrandr> :)
[01:27] <Scunizi> mzz: thanks.. also wondering if after redoing the reference location for /home.. if I do a update, upgrade, dist-upgrade will the packages be upgraded?
[01:28] <mzz> Scunizi: I don't understand what /home and apt-get have to do with each other
[01:28] <ubuntuLover> Scunizi:Oh Ok. I asked because I can't think of one practical thing I'd use it for. And also I'm concerned about privacy when personal files are stored on some random webserver.
[01:28] <khazil> you can just use the same partition for /home
[01:29] <mzz> Scunizi: /home just has your settings and documents, apt-get shouldn't touchit.
[01:29] <Scunizi> mzz: well.. if I install 9.10 64 bit with it's own /home and then change the fstab reference for /home to the location of my "deleted" 8.10 /home partiton (still containing my 32 programs)  will it upgrade the programs?
[01:29]  * xrandr wonders how well ubuntu-server runs NIS
[01:29] <mzz> Scunizi: you should be able to reuse your 8.10 /home, although I wouldn't boot into 8.10 using a /home 9.10 has touched (upgrading should work, downgrading may confuse some apps)
[01:29] <Roey> hey do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?
[01:30] <mzz> Scunizi: I don't follow. What are your programs doing on your /home?
[01:30] <Scunizi> mzz: ok.. some of the .<package.conf> files may bork things..
[01:30] <MurielGodoi> Hi guys... I set a proxy on Network Proxy at work, but when I arrived at home I remove the proxy but the system keep searching tor the proxy
[01:30] <MurielGodoi> Is there a bug?
[01:30] <mzz> MurielGodoi: you might have to log out and back in
[01:30] <Scunizi> mzz: gotcha.. programs live elsewhere but the configs for a user some live in /home .. right?
[01:31] <MurielGodoi> mzz:  I already restart my notebook twice
[01:31] <mzz> Scunizi: yep (with exceptions for things you installed outside of package manager control, of course)
[01:31] <mzz> MurielGodoi: not sure what happened then
[01:32] <Scunizi> mzz: so going from 8.10 32bit to 9.10 64 bit might present some problems with those files..
[01:32] <mzz> MurielGodoi: (but I don't use any proxies other than an apt-specific one, so I wouldn't have noticed any bugs)
[01:32] <mzz> Scunizi: it mostly shouldn't
[01:32] <MurielGodoi> mzz: The wierd thing is that when I set a new proxy and set apply to entire system, I'm not requested to type su passwords
[01:33] <mzz> MurielGodoi: the rules for when policykit and friends need my password are a complete mystery tome
[01:33] <Scunizi> mzz: ok.. just wondering.. my previous upgrades using the upgrade tool in synaptic have ended with a system that is not the same as a fresh install.. lots of niggley little issues that aren't show stoppers but seem to get fixed with a fresh install..
[01:33] <CShadowRun> Hmm, This laptop (Acer aspire one) Has a Home Key, which is "Mod4" according to keyboard shortcuts. Problem is i can't bind it on it's own, i can only bind it with another key (Mod4+L, for example)
[01:33] <CShadowRun> How do i just bind Mod4 in the keyboard shortcuts dialog?
[01:34] <khazil> ubuntuone-client-applet is running but there... is no applet
[01:34] <MurielGodoi> mzz: lol... thanks
[01:34] <Scunizi> khazil: try logging into www.one.ubuntu.com and transfering one file directly.. see if the servers will allow you.. there were issues yesterday
[01:35] <khazil> hmm... I just noticed a link in Places
[01:35] <mzz> CShadowRun: you'd have to convince it it's not a modifier first (should be an xkb way to do that)
[01:35] <CShadowRun> sounds fun
[01:36] <mzz> wonder why it's getting the layout wrong though, it's not like aspire one is that rare
[01:37] <CShadowRun> mzz i just read a bug report saying it was to fix other generic keyboards
[01:40] <ubuntuLover> well, the cough has settled so I'm heading to bed... any XKCD fans? http://xkcd.com/528/
[01:41] <CShadowRun> can't seem to find a solution for it though, which kinda sucks :(
[01:41] <CShadowRun> not having home key go to unr menu ftl
[01:42] <m0r0n> If I upgrade to the RC
[01:42] <m0r0n> and the RC isn't what is released, will ubuntu just update it for me?
[01:44] <khazil> duh, I know what I was doing wrong. I killed the Notification Area!
[01:46] <tiger2wander> I have add a desktop account then I removed it but it is not remove from login form :(
[01:46] <tiger2wander> How can I remove it from login form?
[01:46] <tiger2wander> anybody have an idea?
[01:49] <darrend> m0r0n: yes
[01:49] <CShadowRun> tiger2wander, how did you remove it?
[01:53] <m0r0n> darrend: Will my programs stay the same, or will it all be gone and I have to start from scratch
[01:54] <ebb> does anyone know how many hours till the new release is officail ?
[01:55] <GiantTalkingCow> No idea... isn't it due out in two more days, or have I gotten the date wrong?
[01:55]  * arand *sighs*
[01:57] <hanasaki> why is empathy replacing  pidgin? what's the history?
[01:57] <arand> ebb: Release date is 29th, so expect it out by the 30th, there's never a defined hour for the release, and it's normally late on the day of the date...
[01:58] <ebb> arand: thanks :)
[01:58] <arand> hanasaki: better back-end, more potential...
[01:58] <GiantTalkingCow> Long story short: the Pidgin devs don't want to add certain features that most users feel would be useful, like a resizable text entry space. Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's one thing that sparked the fork.
[01:58] <tiger2wander> CShadowRun:: I add and remove it using "user and group manager" tool in system menu
[01:58] <CShadowRun> weird
[01:58] <hanasaki> arand:  I cannot get empathy to work past my http firewall.. can it?
[02:00] <cxo> I did an upgrade from 9.04 and I've lost most of my icons. The ones that sit besides text on buttons and menus
[02:00] <CShadowRun> cxo they get disabled by default now to make the menus faster
[02:00] <CShadowRun> you can re-enable them in system > preferences > appearance someplace, i think
[02:01] <CShadowRun> yea, in the interface tab, top tickbox.
[02:01] <cxo> ah back to normal
[02:01] <arand> hanasaki: does pidgin? which protocol?
[02:01] <CShadowRun> :)
[02:01] <cxo> that was weird, dont disable them , it looks like a fault
[02:01] <hanasaki> arand:  yes.   for irc, gtalk and yahoo and aol and msn all over http
[02:02] <arand> cxo: design desicion :(
[02:02] <CShadowRun> cxo agree'd. It'd be better if they removed the space for the icons to appear when they was switched off (That way it'd look less like a bug, and save space too!)
[02:02] <cxo> indent the text properly if you remove the picture, cos now it looks like there was meant to be something there, but now its missing
[02:02] <CShadowRun> indeed
[02:02] <cxo> oh yeah, we said the same thing
[02:03] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:03] <cxo> i bet that would be a simple patch to gtk even
[02:03] <arand> indeed, maybe it could be done, but as it is now it just looks unprofessional, a shame when the new theme is pretty nice otherwise...
[02:04] <cxo> so is gnome -2.28 much slower than, to stop loading silly things like icons?
[02:04] <CShadowRun> gnome devs just like to do random stupid things from time to time ;)
[02:04] <cxo> ^than whatever came with 9.04
[02:04] <arand> no icons was simply an upstream decision..
[02:05] <cxo> oh
[02:05] <cxo> so why cant  the ubuntu desktop team re-enable it when they build the debs
[02:06] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/407621
[02:06] <cxo> isnt thats what a "distro" is for, to sanitise and present oss to the end user
[02:06] <arand> ubuntu choose to follow suit
[02:09] <cxo> maybe they are just trying to make 2.28 look bad so people like 3.0 even more
[02:09] <CShadowRun> haha
[02:10] <CShadowRun> oooor...maybe this guy is a gnome dev, http://www.bash.org/?4753
[02:10] <arand> hmm, eye of the beholder, I guess...
[02:10] <cxo> "People never like change for sure, but one of our goals for 3.0 a cleaner and
[02:10] <cxo> more well balanced interface. This is one of the steps, and I hope it will turn
[02:10] <cxo> out as the better choice in the en"
[02:10] <CShadowRun> haha, i'm not saying they shouldn't remove the icons (Hey, that's a design decision, fair enough if i don't get what i want)
[02:10] <CShadowRun> But the fact that they don't indent the text properly makes it just plain wrong and horrible
[02:11] <bjsnider> menus and submenus have been removed for gnome 3
[02:11] <CShadowRun> (Also, since when did gnome become lightweight?)
[02:11] <bjsnider> so it doesn't matter
[02:11] <cxo> 3.0 is going to be cleaner and more balanced? cleaner than what? Gnome has always been as colourful as bleach
[02:11] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:11] <cxo> it doesnt need to get cleaner
[02:11] <bjsnider> there won't be any menus to look at
[02:12] <cxo> god, Linus' gnome stereotype is coming true
[02:12] <CShadowRun> what did he say? :P
[02:12] <bjsnider> linus uses gnome
[02:12] <cxo> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html
[02:14] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:14] <CShadowRun> my retort to linus would be "sure, call me when KDE gets any multi screen support"
[02:14] <arand> Hmm, yea, but I think he switched over in the four-phail cycle..
[02:14] <cxo> The sad thing is, its true, Its the same damn argument Windows fanbois use when fighting Macs
[02:15] <CShadowRun> (It has twinview, and has recently obtained xinerama support *clap*)
[02:15] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:15] <CShadowRun> functionality vs feature overload
[02:15] <bjsnider> linus uses gnome, as kde4 didn't work
[02:15] <CShadowRun> yea, KDE4 didn't work for me either
[02:15] <bjsnider> linus is now relatively happy with gnome
[02:15] <CShadowRun> i'm _ok_ with gnome, theres this one bug that's been about for 7 years
[02:15] <cxo> I hate kde4 for killing amarok
[02:15] <CShadowRun> one day...they will fix it
[02:15] <CShadowRun> on that day, i will have a party
[02:15] <cxo> Amarok1x was the best
[02:16] <jacob> what Linus uses should not influence a decision on a desktop environment choice. the end.
[02:16] <bjsnider> jacob, i'm going to tell him you said that. he'll send someone over to talk to you
[02:16] <cxo> Its not. I said his description of gnome is coming true
[02:17] <jacob> bjsnider: go right ahead
[02:17] <arand> gnome bothers me, but I've probed KDE now and then... Not to my liking...
[02:17] <bjsnider> gnome bothers you?
[02:18] <snaga> xfce :)
[02:19] <MacOS_User> hello everyon e
[02:19] <MacOS_User> everyone even
[02:19] <jacob> hey
[02:19] <cxo> hell, i'd use blackbox if it didn't mean I'd have gtk libs on my system anyway
[02:20] <MacOS_User> Excuse me man, but I am considering to use Ubuntu the 09.10 Karma release, and I am curious, this fellow Unbutto in the other channel seemed to think it was highly unstable, can someone tell me the real deal on it, man.
[02:20] <arand> hmm, yea, but I don't know if I'd be happier with openbox or the like...
[02:20] <arand> Although, I'm actually pretty hopeful of gnome-shell...
[02:21] <jacob> MacOS_User: It will be released in about two days; wait until then and give it a shot :)
[02:21] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, Yea, no point in going through all the trouble with the beta, might aswell wait for release
[02:21] <CShadowRun> that said, it's certainly not unstable anymore, I'm running it on pretty much every machine in the house atm
[02:21] <CShadowRun> UNR 9.10 is kickass...the new UI looks sick :D
[02:21] <MacOS_User> well is the beta that bad, and how can something 2 days from release be that bad? Or do you expect the release to be bad too?
[02:22] <jacob> (with the exception of the upstart fun last month, the entire karmic cycle was pretty stable for me :D)
[02:22] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, it's not that bad, we just can't say to you it will work, because it's still beta.
[02:22] <jacob> RC, actually.
[02:22] <CShadowRun> the release will be good :)
[02:22] <CShadowRun> oh, we are at RC now nice
[02:22] <jacob> as of last week ;)
[02:22] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:22] <MacOS_User> ok, but if you are warning me not to use it 2 days b4 release, its not going to improve much in 2 days...
[02:23] <MacOS_User> I appreciate the honesty, I will stay with CentOS then for now.
[02:23] <RedLAnce> My system is rather sluggish after upgrading to 9.10...and known issues?
[02:23] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, your obviously not getting it
[02:23] <MacOS_User> ok, I am listening
[02:23] <CShadowRun> When did anyone warn you not to use it?
[02:23] <SikEnCide> how do i get shockwave to update on karmic ?
[02:23] <arand> MacOS_User: unstable in what way?
[02:23] <jacob> MacOS_User: we're saying that while it could work perfectly, there is no guarantee since it's not officially available yet. :)
[02:23] <cxo> MacOS_User, you can get a nice clean install disc if you wait an extra couple of days, nothing else really
[02:23] <SikEnCide> i tried playen some cheesey game online and it says i need a newer version of shockwave.. cant find it on adobe's site for linux
[02:24] <cxo> the images have likely been already made
[02:24] <jacob> SikEnCide: there is no shockwave for Linux. do you mean Flash?
[02:24] <CShadowRun> SikEnCide, there is no shockwave for linux :(
[02:24] <khazil> shockwave is dead
[02:24] <SikEnCide> it says shockwave
[02:24]  * cxo is a shockwave
[02:24] <khazil> it very well could be, because it's cheap and some peopel still use it
[02:24] <CShadowRun> i'll shock ur wave
[02:24] <SikEnCide> i have flash and its up to date
[02:24] <om26er> MacOS_User: install this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091027/karmic-desktop-i386.iso and again update tomorrow you will be using karmic koala stable
[02:24] <jacob> SikEnCide: then I'm afraid you're stuck.. shockwave is dead (isn't it?)
[02:24] <MacOS_User> what your saying doesnt make any sense, how can something be beta 2 days from release? I mean, 2 days before release it'd be RC quality no?
[02:24] <SikEnCide> oh well it doesnt matter
[02:24] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, it is RC quality, i was just behind the times
[02:25]  * CShadowRun missed that news flash :P
[02:25] <devin> is 9.10 safe to upgrade to or is it better to download an iso and start from scratch?
[02:25] <CShadowRun> devin, i upgraded to it like 2 weeks ago, all went well
[02:25] <arand> MacOS_User: What kind of "unstable" are you referring to?
[02:25] <om26er> devin: i prefer clean install
[02:25] <CShadowRun> apart from a few minor bugs (all of which have been fixed now)
[02:25] <RedLAnce> devin, I upgraded and now my system is sluggish
[02:26] <MacOS_User> I am confused, I am used to working in a Full Lifecycle Development software engineering environment, beta means one thing, GA means another, RC something else, alpha something else....I am nervous about using it because it is not RC 2 days b4 release, but beta.
[02:26] <devin> ugh me no likey sluggishness
[02:26] <jacob> devin: I'd think so, but officially, upgrade at your own risk until release ;)
[02:26] <khazil> it's actually possible to wrap up a shockwave player in Wine and use nspluginwrapper
[02:26] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, IT IS RC
[02:26] <CShadowRun> jeez, this really doesn't sink in lol
[02:26] <om26er> RedLAnce: its fine here'
[02:26] <jacob> it's been RC as of the 22nd
[02:26] <cxo> This is the Bazaar, You are looking for the Cathedral
[02:26] <MacOS_User> So it's just that the website was not updated or something? and it still says beta you mean?
[02:27] <MacOS_User> haha
[02:27] <MacOS_User> I read that book
[02:27] <jacob> khazil: it's possible, haven't heard of anyone doing so though.
[02:27] <packet-sent> I have an elonex web book which ran fine under jaunty, the only issue was I had to define panel size in xorg, also I had no 3d acceleration due the fact that the chipset is via and required openchrome drivers......... after an upgrade to karmic the display is not working at all, it only runs if I edit xorg and change driver to vesa....safe graphic mode gives me a blank screen also
[02:27] <MacOS_User> but Bazaar or Cathedral terminology is the same
[02:27] <jacob> MacOS_User: that's a good point.. website is not up-to-date.
[02:27] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[02:27] <CShadowRun> see, rc :)
[02:27] <om26er> MacOS_User: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091027/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[02:27] <jacob> or "beta" is a more markety term vs "RC"
[02:28] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, that said, you'd be better off with om26er's link since it's the daily
[02:28] <MacOS_User> ok, I am going to check those sites. If it is RC, so be it I believe you
[02:28] <CShadowRun> hehe :)
[02:28] <CShadowRun> Yup it's RC, and most people are having no trouble now
[02:28] <Roey> Do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?
[02:28] <MacOS_User> I am just saying the website said beta, and it made me nervous to recommend it to someone
[02:28] <CShadowRun> and i'm loving karmic, it's a very very nice upgrade :D
[02:28] <arand> !release
[02:29] <MacOS_User> has anyone tested karma under VirtualBox?
[02:29] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, if in doubt, just install 9.04 and then upgrade in 2 days, upgrading is easy
[02:29] <arand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule there it is
[02:29] <om26er> MacOS_User: tthey don't have time to update that. but the link they provide is for RC
[02:29] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, i'm running Karmic right now on 2 pc's and a netbook
[02:29] <MacOS_User> ok, thats all someone had to say.
[02:29] <arand> MacOS_User: I've run it for a long while.
[02:29] <CShadowRun> and the netbook is soooooooo swet :P
[02:29] <CShadowRun> sweet*
[02:29] <MacOS_User> I believe you
[02:29] <CShadowRun> :D
[02:30] <MacOS_User> I am just saying, people READ the website, if it is out of date, dont get mad cause people believe what it says.
[02:30] <thiebaude> CShadowRun, and i did a fresh install a few hours ago
[02:30] <CShadowRun> hehe
[02:30] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, yea, i didn't realize that was what was going on, sorry
[02:30] <MacOS_User> its ok
[02:30] <jacob> MacOS_User: click on that banner though, and you get this: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[02:30] <CShadowRun> :)
[02:30] <thiebaude> just dl the daily cd
[02:30] <jacob> which mentions the release candidate
[02:31] <arand> Ubuntu is only in "RC" status for 7 days, so I can see why they still call it "beta" (Which is a rather general term... Just look at all the google "betas"...)
[02:31] <MacOS_User> you guys don't get it, I didnt click on any banner, despite what "I might get" because I'd have zero interest in Beta software. so once I saw that, I was like ok, its still beta. forget it for now.
[02:32] <cxo> Dude! Linux is a perpetual BETA
[02:32] <om26er> MacOS_User: the site also says release in one day
[02:32] <MacOS_User> yes, and people have contractual reasons for doing things that do not always make sense.
[02:33] <cxo> Yeah
[02:33] <MacOS_User> ok, I give up. you people are nuts, you say its beta and your bad cause people believe your site.
[02:33] <MacOS_User> jeez
[02:33] <MacOS_User> bad=mad
[02:33] <thiebaude> MacOS_User, if you use the daily cd then its a rc
[02:34] <om26er> MacOS_User: defination of beta :preliminary or testing stage of a software or hardware product;
[02:34] <MacOS_User> why would you want to beat someone up for taking your website at face value? I guess I am supposed to know that in the Linux world Beta means GA, and perhaps Microsoft really means beta when they say GA, whatever
[02:34] <MacOS_User> forget it, I am back to MacOS. when they release it - it just works.
[02:34] <eboyjr> Hello. Is the Ubuntu keyserver down or something?
[02:35] <MacOS_User> none of this nonsense.
[02:35] <MacOS_User> good day
[02:35] <MacOS_User> thanks
[02:35] <thiebaude> !atitude
[02:35] <cxo> haha
[02:35] <thiebaude> lol
[02:35] <om26er> chump
[02:35] <CShadowRun> hehe, Mac's are funny
[02:35] <cxo> so funny
[02:35] <thiebaude> too expensive anyway
[02:35] <CShadowRun> thiebaude, but that's part of why they are funny
[02:36] <thiebaude> agree
[02:36] <arand> I think actually ubuntu's use of beta - RC makes far more sense, RC is something that may actually be the final release, not just another long phase in developments...
[02:36] <cxo> They're continuously in some sort of adolescence with pubescent facial hair and skater shoes
[02:36] <MacOS_User> some people are willing to pay when faced with this sort of attitude and disceptiveness and condescension.
[02:36] <MacOS_User> I was asking a real question
[02:36] <cxo> Whats the question again?
[02:36] <om26er> MacOS_User: and those people are called MacOS_User
[02:36] <MacOS_User> you all treated me like I was lame cause I asked a serious and reasonable question
[02:37] <cxo> dude, you are not lame
[02:37] <om26er> MacOS_User: a question that don't even matter
[02:37] <MacOS_User> it does someone who might use the OS FOR EVERYDAY USAGE.
[02:37] <thiebaude> MacOS_User, what is your question?
[02:38] <CShadowRun> MacOS_User, hey, i apologized for the confusion :)
[02:38] <MacOS_User> I asked how it was possible that Karma could still be in a beta state if it was 2 days from release? I was trying find out if the release date was going to be moved, as it appeared not to be RC
[02:38] <CShadowRun> You now what the state of development is, that said if you want to be part of any pre-release software, you should expect complications
[02:38] <MacOS_User> yes CShadowRun you did, I am referring to the other people here that went attitudal on me
[02:38] <thiebaude> it is already RC
[02:38] <CShadowRun> If it was Mac, theres no way you'd get hand of a pre-release :)
[02:38] <thiebaude> thursday will be final
[02:38] <MacOS_User> I agree
[02:38] <CShadowRun> calm down, wait a couple days, grab the release, your all set
[02:39] <CShadowRun> :)
[02:39]  * CShadowRun wanders off to sleep
[02:39] <MacOS_User> Yes, I understand now --- I didnt understand at first how something goes to GA from Beta and no RC, now I realize the site is mistating the status.
[02:39] <m0r0n> How do I upgrade to the RC without reformatting?
[02:39] <MacOS_User> good day yall
[02:39] <cxo> m0r0n, update-manager -d
[02:40] <thiebaude> that was hard,lol
[02:40] <cxo> I think using OSX makes people agitated
[02:40] <cxo> It must be the super proprietary "ecosystem"
[02:40] <eboyjr> I use OSX at my school for some things it is pretty frustrating sometimes
[02:40] <m0r0n> cxo: I'm on 32bit, I want 64, how do I do that so I upgrade to 64
[02:40] <thiebaude> cxo, yea, paying for those updates
[02:40] <arand> I think people get agitated over OSX users...
[02:41] <bjsnider> m0r0n, you must clean install the amd64 spin
[02:41] <m0r0n> bjsnider: Bah. Alright thanks
[02:41] <arand> m0r0n: that will require a reinstall unfortunately
[02:41] <cxo> m0r0n, thats complicated, you are better of re-installing
[02:41] <RedLAnce> I got an iMac with System 9 on it to show my kids how bad it is. :)
[02:41] <bjsnider> you guys stop calling him a moron
[02:42] <cxo> My first experience with computers was with Finder (Apple) on an LC2
[02:42] <khazil> the apple interface guidelines is probably all i don't really like about OSX. some people are religiously opposed to Qt/Gtk/Tk
[02:42] <thiebaude> which irc channel has the release party?
[02:42] <cxo> I think GTK's philosophy is pretty similar to that of OSX
[02:42] <arand> Hmm, I guess there are ways to transfer arch, but I think the complication would be far far greater than a reinstall
[02:43] <arand> Well, at least ubuntu's
[02:43] <cxo> yeah, you would need to cross compile glibc and friends, then cross compile the kernel
[02:43] <cxo> lets not forget building the cross compiler too
[02:43] <eboyjr> Or download apt packages that are already built amd64?
[02:44] <cxo> i dont think dpkg would let you clobber the system, but i guess a deb pro could do it
[02:44] <cxo> but at one point or the other you are going to kill libc,
[02:44] <cxo> heh would make a good final exam for a linux class :)
[02:44] <eboyjr> Like you would maybe first download and boot from a 64-bit kernel? You can still run 32bit stuff with the 64bit kernel right?
[02:45] <cxo> but you need some sort of basic 32bit userspace
[02:45] <eboyjr> lol
[02:45] <cxo> ^64bit
[02:46] <arand> SABFDL even states that ubuntu is heading for OSX's type of "aestethics"...
[02:46] <arand> something wich I find worrying... But then again, I find a lot of sabdfl's stuff worrying..
[02:47]  * eboyjr googles SABFDL
[02:47] <arand> !sabdfl
[02:48] <eboyjr> Aha funny...
[02:53] <om26er> wubi dont work on windows 7 y
[02:54] <arand> I think you can use compability mode and get it working
[02:54] <Cyrano_De> Is there a netbook hardware list for 9.10 similar to the one for 9.04?
[02:55] <om26er> Cyrano_De: which netbook are you using
[02:55] <arand> But it's indeed a big timing fail for karmic wubi not to work with w7...
[02:56] <Cyrano_De> om26er: I am not right now.  I am waiting to buy what works best.
[02:56] <Cyrano_De> om26er: That is the way I buy my laptops
[02:56] <om26er> Cyrano_De: that's great
[02:56] <habanany> help, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[02:56] <habanany> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[02:57] <habanany> which one to select?
[02:57] <Cyrano_De> om26er: That is one of the main reasons I have stuck with Dell.  I can customize the laptop right down to the WiFi chip and LCD resolution.
[02:57] <om26er> Cyrano_De: have you read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
[02:57] <arand> habanany: one is the binary packages, on is the source code, use both.
[02:58] <om26er> Cyrano_De: Asus Eee PC 1005HA is bug free
[02:58] <habanany> what do i need the code for? sorry I'm newby
[02:59] <habanany> do i select distro or pool?
[03:00] <habanany> it's so complacated to install minefield
[03:00] <habanany> heeeeeeelp
[03:01] <arand> habanany: I'm not sure you do need the source code, if you want you could just add the deb if you like I think...
[03:01] <arand> habanany: what where?
[03:02] <om26er1> Cyrano_De: go disconnected
[03:02] <arand> firefox minefield?
[03:02] <habanany> here arand http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/
[03:03] <om26er1> how about this ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
[03:03] <arand> habanany: are you on karmic?
[03:04] <Cyrano_De> om26er1: Yeah, that was the list for 9.04 I was talking about.  I was hoping someone might have started one for 9.10.
[03:04] <arand> Also, is this really the ppa you're after? Are you after untested _security_ updates
[03:05] <dtchen> err, they aren't untested
[03:05] <habanany> yeah arand , karmic
[03:05] <dtchen> please be careful with phrasing
[03:05] <om26er1> Cyrano_De: most of the bugs listed are now fixed
[03:05] <dtchen> they're staging for distro-security but hardly untested
[03:05] <arand> habanany: "You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa  to your system's Software Sources"
[03:06] <om26er1> Cyrano_De: Asus Eee PC 1005HA is for karmix
[03:06] <habanany> i know that arand but...
[03:06] <habanany> one that i get to the PPA page i have two choices...
[03:07] <habanany> one is dist and the other one is pool...
[03:07] <habanany> which one do you recommend...?
[03:07] <habanany> or do i have to download both?
[03:08] <habanany> arand ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:08] <dtchen> habanany: dist is not a choice
[03:08] <habanany> please
[03:08] <dtchen> habanany: the debs are always in pool/
[03:08] <habanany> ok,
[03:09] <habanany> thanks dtchen
[03:09] <habanany> thanks arand
[03:09] <habanany> thanks everybody
[03:09] <habanany> one more question, am I debian?
[03:10] <dtchen> sorry?
[03:10] <habanany> dont laugh , I'm newbe
[03:10] <arand> habanany: ubuntu uses deb(ian) packages
[03:10] <habanany> ok
[03:10] <ekontsevoy> why is frequency applet asking me for my password all of a sudden?
[03:10] <habanany> thanks
[03:10] <ekontsevoy> I don't think that's normal, is this new?
[03:11] <habanany> this is geting more complacated..
[03:11] <habanany> now i have a bunch of letter?
[03:11] <habanany> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/
[03:11] <Roey> Do I need the alternate disk to install to raid1 if I already have the partitions set up?  I'm using Karmic 9.10
[03:11] <habanany> please , help
[03:12] <dtchen> Roey: if you ever have doubts, use the alt
[03:12] <arand> habanany: that is not the place to add the software.
[03:12] <habanany> ???
[03:13] <habanany> PPA led me to that page, i'm just following the links
[03:13] <arand> habanany: Just add the "ppa:*" line to third part software sources and you should be good to go, no need to do anthing else.
[03:13] <habanany> where do i get that PPA line bro?
[03:14] <habanany> can u send me the link please?
[03:14] <arand> habanany: ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa is the line
[03:14] <habanany> how do i add it?
[03:15] <om26er1> add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
[03:15] <om26er1> habanany: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
[03:15] <habanany> through command line?
[03:15] <Roey> seems like my kernel isn't loading raid drivers... grub times out and then dumps me to a busybox shell... I do ls /dev/md* and don't see anything there, so I can only assume that the raid drivers are not loaded.  Yet they are (dm_raid* is loaded according to modprobe).  Yet the kernel panics and decides it can't find / (which is on /de/vmd1)
[03:15] <om26er1> habanany: yes
[03:15] <om26er1> habanany: then sudo apt-get update
[03:16] <habanany> hold on
[03:16] <arand> habanany: open the "software sources" in system>administartion menu switch to "other-" tab and add this.
[03:16] <habanany> command not found
[03:16] <arand> habanany: you can do it through command line if you want
[03:17] <om26er1> habanany: are you really using karmic
[03:17] <habanany> okok
[03:17] <habanany> i got it
[03:17] <habanany> now is requestin key?
[03:18] <habanany> do i use the key from the launchpad?
[03:18] <om26er1> habanany: it will do everything automatically
[03:18] <arand> habanany: this key is to verify the software is from the correct source, it is not necessary to use it
[03:18] <habanany> ok
[03:18] <habanany> thankssss
[03:19] <arand> om26er1: I don't think it will add the key automatically...
[03:19] <habanany> updating. wow
[03:20] <habanany> thank u guys
[03:20] <habanany> how long takes to lern all this guys?
[03:20] <habanany> you are genius
[03:21] <habanany> now what
[03:21] <habanany> i dont see minefield?
[03:21] <arand> habanany: if you want the key to stop it from complaining, look at "Signing key" and "what's this?" on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa to add the verification to your system.
[03:21] <om26er1> arand: this does sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
[03:22] <habanany> i guess now i have to install
[03:22] <eboyjr> The keyserver is down though I believe
[03:22] <eboyjr> Right now
[03:22] <eboyjr> nvm :P
[03:22] <eboyjr> It was 10 mins ago
[03:22] <om26er1> arand: and also in karmic if you add source to software sources it adds the key it self
[03:22] <arand> habanany: Again, what version of firefox are you trying to install
[03:23] <habanany> should i download mar or tar ?
[03:23] <om26er1> habanany: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:23] <habanany> complete mar or tar?
[03:24] <arand> habanany: Again, what version of firefox are you trying to install?
[03:24] <habanany> minefield
[03:25] <habanany> minefield  arand
[03:25] <arand> habanany: so that would be the daily build of 3.7?
[03:25] <habanany> yeah 3.7
[03:25] <arand> habanany: then you want this ppa instead :/ https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[03:26] <om26er1> habanany: 3.7 is alpha\
[03:26] <habanany> so brother that PPA that u gave is not valid?
[03:26] <arand> habanany: then to install it you go to synaptic package manager and install the package called "firefox-3.7"
[03:27] <arand> habanany: you gave me the ppa I told you how to install it...
[03:27] <habanany> oh yeah that's right
[03:28] <habanany> i took that PPA from minefield i guess< iforgot now
[03:28] <habanany> so what do i do in synaptic now?
[03:29] <habanany> I know how to get to sypnatic but what then?
[03:29] <arand> habanany: should you want to remove a ppa just go to software sources and remove it, along with the authentification key if you added that as well...
[03:29] <habanany> was not that the right one?
[03:29] <arand> habanany: have you added the new mozilla-daily ppa?
[03:30] <habanany> i just added one , the one that i sent u before
[03:31] <arand> habanany: The ppa you just added will supply untested security updates to current releases. It will not supply post 3.5 stuff...
[03:31] <habanany> ok, then i deleted
[03:32] <habanany> hold on please, step by step
[03:32] <ntsasng> Hi all
[03:32] <ntsasng> I'm using ubuntu 9.10
[03:32] <arand> habanany: This ppa will enable installing untested, possibly unstable daily builds of the recent firefox development version: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[03:32] <om26er1> habanany: the daily ppa provides firefox 3.5.5, 3.6beta 3.7alpha
[03:32] <ntsasng> can i install amarok-kde4
[03:32] <ntsasng> ?
[03:32] <habanany> how do i get to software source?
[03:34] <habanany> i got it
[03:34] <mzz> apt-get source whatever
[03:35] <ntsasng> I'm using ubuntu 9.10
[03:35] <arand> mzz: not what we're looking for, --software sources
[03:35] <habanany> ok, i removed already PPA
[03:35] <ntsasng> can i install amarok 2
[03:35] <ntsasng> :|
[03:36] <vigo> Karmic | ntsasng
[03:36] <vigo> whoops
[03:37] <ntsasng> vigo: yes, karmic
[03:37] <vigo> !Karmic | ntsasng
[03:37] <arand> habanany: now in the software sources, add the mozilla-daily ppa...
[03:37] <mzz> oh, those
[03:38] <habanany> arand can u get me the link
[03:38] <vigo> ntsasng: How are you liking it?
[03:38] <habanany> to the PPA
[03:38] <habanany> I'm getting hungry
[03:39] <ntsasng> vigo: because it is good music management
[03:39] <arand> habanany: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa ...and the line to add is ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[03:40] <vigo> ntsasng: Are your interests in Multimedia? or casual performance?
[03:41] <evilaim> Ok, might be a bit late to submit a bug...
[03:42] <ntsasng> vigo: not necessarily
[03:42] <evilaim> Everytime I reboot my system, I login and visual effects are set to "none" and when I enable it all my compiz settings are back to defaults...
[03:42] <evilaim> getting very annoying
[03:42] <evilaim> 9.10 beta x64 ext4
[03:42] <ntsasng> vigo: I'm Vietnamese
[03:43] <ntsasng> I speak English not very well
[03:43] <habanany> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu
[03:43] <habanany> hey arand is tha  ^^^^^^^^^^
[03:44] <vigo> ntsasng: Due ho, ( I think) has been 17 years,
[03:44] <habanany> software source dont allowe me to add?
[03:44] <arand> habanany: in the "other software" tab in software sources click add, paste zilla QA Companion (QAC) is a new tool that was created after discussions between the QA team and community about how to make it easier for anyone to get involved with the Mozilla project and help us test Firefox.
[03:45] <arand> OOps sorry...
[03:45] <vigo> ntsasng: You are doing very well with English.
[03:45] <habanany> arand , i'm in the other software but cant copy
[03:46] <ntsasng> vigo: I dont think so
[03:46] <arand> habanany: in the "other software" tab in software sources click add, paste "ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa" and you're good to go..
[03:46] <habanany> I paste the line but the add button remaind shadow
[03:47] <habanany> I clicked add ...
[03:47] <ntsasng> vigo: I speak English a little
[03:47] <habanany> I paste the line..
[03:47] <vigo> ntsasng: What version of Ubuntu are you on now?
[03:47] <habanany> but  is not comming through
[03:47] <ntsasng> I'm using ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[03:47] <ntsasng> vigo: I'm using ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[03:47] <arand> habanany: check if there is a space at the beginning?
[03:48] <habanany> no space at the begining , no space at the end
[03:48] <ntsasng> vigo: are you using ubuntu 9.10 too
[03:48] <ntsasng> vigo: :)
[03:49] <habanany> check the line for me please http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu
[03:49] <habanany> arand ^^^^^^^
[03:49] <vigo> ntsasng: Are you liking or enjoying it, wait a moment, we are taking up channel space here, PM me.
[03:49] <arand> habanany: is that what you're trying to add?
[03:50] <habanany> yes
[03:50] <habanany> that's what iget from the link you gave me
[03:50] <arand> habanany: in the "other software" tab in software sources click add, paste "ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa".
[03:50] <ntsasng> vigo: Okie
[03:50] <ntsasng> vigo: where are you from?
[03:51] <vigo> ntsasng: I am from US, I have traveled a bit.
[03:51] <LSD|Ninja> is empathy reporting "network error" on gtalk for anyone else?
[03:51] <habanany> how about the " ?
[03:52] <ntsasng> where you traveled?
[03:52] <arand> habanany: are you adding "ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa" (no quotes) or something else?
[03:52] <habanany> ok no quotes
[03:52] <habanany> now what?
[03:52] <habanany> complete mar or rar ?
[03:53] <arand> add it, close it, refresh when prompted, start synaptic.
[03:54] <habanany> one question arand, why launchpad say to do it like this >>>>> How do I use software from a PPA?
[03:54] <habanany> To start installing and using software from a Personal Package Archive, you first need to tell Ubuntu where to find the PPA and how to verify the authenticity of its software.
[03:54] <habanany> Adding the PPA to Ubuntu
[03:54] <habanany> Step 1: Copy the first line from the apt sources.list entries section of the PPA overview page. For example:
[03:54] <habanany> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/awn-testing/ubuntu jaunty main
[03:54] <habanany> Step 2: On your Ubuntu computer, open System > Administration > Software Sources.
[03:54] <habanany> Step 3: Click the Third Party Software tab.
[03:54] <habanany> Screen shot of the top tabs in the Software Sources app
[03:54] <habanany> Step 4: Click the Add button.
[03:54] <habanany> Step 5: Paste the line you copied in step 1 and click the Add Source button.
[03:54] <habanany> Step 6: Now copy the second line from the apt sources.list entries section of the PPA overview page and paste it in just as you did in steps 4 and 5.
[03:54] <habanany> When prompted, reload the software sources information. Don't worry if you see a warning about unverified software sources; we're going to fix that next.
[03:54] <habanany> Telling Ubuntu how to authenticate the PPA
[03:54] <habanany> Now Ubuntu knows about the PPA. It also needs to know how to check the software hasn't been tampered with since Launchpad built it.
[03:54] <habanany> Note: This is not an endorsement of any of the software in PPAs. You must make sure you trust the PPA owner before installing their software.
[03:54] <habanany> Step 1: On the PPA's overview page you'll see the PPA's OpenPGP key id. It'll look something like this: 1024/12345678. Copy it, or make a note of, the portion after the slash, e.g: 12345678.
[03:55] <habanany> Step 2: Open your terminal and enter:
[03:55] <habanany> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 12345678
[03:55] <habanany> Replace 12345678 with the key id you copied in step 1.
[03:55] <habanany> Step 3: Finally, tell Ubuntu to re-load the details of each software archive it knows about:
[03:55] <habanany> sudo apt-get update
[03:55] <habanany> You're now ready to install software from the PPA!
[03:55] <habanany> Read more about Personal Package Archives in our help wiki.
[03:55] <habanany> sorry brother
[03:55] <habanany> was a mistake
[03:55] <arand> habanany: please don't spam the channel
[03:55] <habanany> sorry arand
[03:55] <habanany> was by mistake
[03:55] <habanany> sorry everybody
[03:56] <arand> habanany: that is one way to do it, the way I showed is a new method for karmic, which should be simpler...
[03:56] <habanany> ok
[03:56] <habanany> thanks bro
[03:56] <habanany> i'm going to synaptic
[03:56] <arand> habanany: now in synaptic, install the package named firefox-3.7
[03:56] <habanany> ok
[03:57] <habanany> i got 3.7 dev and 3.7  bug?
[03:58] <habanany> sorry, 3.7 dbg
[03:58] <habanany> I have also gnome and one more
[03:58] <habanany> so which one do i select?
[03:59] <habanany> arand please ^^^^^^ bro
[03:59] <arand> habanany: firefox-3.7
[04:00] <habanany> bro there is no 3.7 alone, there is 3.7 dev  , 3.7 dbg , 3.7 gnome and so on
[04:00] <habanany> i go with dev
[04:01] <arand> habanany: not dev not dbg only firefox-3.7
[04:01] <urthmover> I have installed another OS over my karmic installation.....expecting to boot to a grub prompt and find /boot/grub/stage1  then setup hd(blah,blah)    now I realize that karmic is using grub2   how do I resolve this?
[04:02] <habanany> oh , now i saw it
[04:02] <habanany>  was hiden
[04:03] <habanany> how about firefox web developer?
[04:03] <habanany> arand ^^^^^^
[04:05] <habanany> oh no, forget it
[04:06] <arand> thank you
[04:06] <Jordan_U_> urthmover: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[04:06] <urthmover> awesome thanks Jordan_U_
[04:06] <habanany> arand download files packages only
[04:06] <Jordan_U_> urthmover: np
[04:07] <habanany> packages file only or not ?
[04:07] <habanany> arand ^^^^^
[04:08] <habanany> synaptic is asking me for shessmark
[04:08] <arand> habanany: just apply, no specific options.
[04:08] <habanany> i have the answer
[04:08] <habanany> okok
[04:09] <habanany>  thank u for your patient brother
[04:09] <habanany> downloading
[04:10] <arand> Now, minefield should show up in the main menu...
[04:10] <habanany> yeeeeessssss
[04:11] <habanany> thank u bro , kisses
[04:12] <habanany> and it runs side by side with firefox
[04:13] <habanany> and this is wire, it opens same tabs as tabs open in firefox
[04:14] <cwillu_at_work> anyone see mvo around lately?
[04:14] <habanany> are u reading me arand ?
[04:14] <habanany> i lke that, i guess has the same profile
[04:16] <arand> I'm off to bed now, it may have cloned the profile to a new copy for 3.7, I have no idea...
[04:16] <habanany> hey brother arand, i live in new york city, do u think i go to school to study linux i get a job?
[04:17] <habanany> brother arand left, anybody answer this question?
[04:18] <coordinador> hi
[04:18] <coordinador> im trying to install karmic in msi wind u100
[04:18] <Barridus> anyone know how to set hte default power profile for karmic to "on demand" instead of "performance"?
[04:18] <coordinador> Barridus, i dont know, sorry
[04:19] <coordinador> well im trying to install karmic in msi wind u100 and i got black screen with spinner mouse pointer
[04:20] <vigo> coordinator: Did the CD/DVD checksum out ok?
[04:20] <coordinador> vigo, yes
[04:20] <coordinador> and look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1295761  is happening to other people too
[04:21] <cdm10> Lovely. First time I boot up Karmic, Palimpsest tells me my drive is failing.
[04:21] <vigo> Then it is most probably a hardware issue.
[04:22] <cdm10> vigo: not blaming karmic :)
[04:22] <cdm10> it's just that jaunty didn't have anything to warn me about it
[04:22] <cdm10> sure, I checked the SMART data every once in a while
[04:22] <freevryheid> Barridus - tried the cpu frequency thingy
[04:22] <cdm10> but as soon as I boot up Karmic, BAM, I get a nice red warning.
[04:22] <cdm10> nearly 1,000 bad sectors.
[04:22] <cdm10> liking this.
[04:23] <Barridus> freevryheid, i have the panel applet.  but my selection is not retained between sessions
[04:23] <Barridus> i want my laptop to be on demand at all times unless i say otherwise
[04:23] <Barridus> hardy and intrepid was this way by default
[04:23] <freevryheid> yep - same here
[04:24] <vigo> cdm10: and others, is this on Launchpad?
[04:25] <cdm10> vigo: er, not complaining about karmic. Just complaining about life, really.
[04:26] <Barridus> freevryheid, it says midway through this link that installing powernowd fixes it (powernowd was part of the default install in older ubuntus but not now) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/343354
[04:26] <vigo> cdm10: Okee dokee, complaints are only pathways to the solutions, that is not Google-fu, that is vogo-shweigh.
[04:26] <Barridus> i just installed it, brb with results for you
[04:27] <cdm10> the solution, unfortunately, involves a credit card and newegg
[04:28] <almoxarife> does karmic recognize  wireless 'n' ?
[04:28] <freevryheid> I'm looking to upgrade to Karmic but hesitant because of Hardy problems with ATI video card - actually I'm currently using the old Intrepid ATI drivers and have frozen all X updates. Will the Karmic update mess this up?
[04:30] <vigo> freevryheid: we really will not know until some takes that leap and tests it,
[04:30] <vigo> I think it will
[04:30] <cdm10> now, what on earth is .local/share/Trash/expunged?
[04:31] <cdm10> it appears to be stuff I EMPTIED from the trash.
[04:31] <cdm10> that didn't quite go away.
[04:31] <vigo> But no guarantee, no warranty, use at your own risk and ability, and please make a backup of any data that you feel is needed.
[04:33] <freevryheid> Barridus - it work?
[04:33] <Barridus> freevryheid, nope :X
[04:37] <docgnome> I'm trying to install the nvidia driver via the hardware drivers app but when i select it and click activate nothing happens
[04:37] <docgnome> i've actually had this same problem on both 9.04 and now 9.10
[04:39] <almoxarife> is there a karmic effect akin to windows 'aero'??
[04:40] <Barridus> !compiz
[04:40] <khazil> almoxarife: if you have a good enough graphics card, you can max out Compiz effects
[04:41] <almoxarife> I just want a graphical projection of what I have running
[04:42] <almoxarife> !beryl
[04:42] <docgnome> any ideas what i can try to get this thing workin?
[04:45] <vigo> almoxarife: Have you looked at the DocBar or such stuff?
[04:46] <patdk-lap> hmm, I totally don't get why karmic boots so much slower than jaunty on my system
[04:46] <patdk-lap> jaunty was clocking in at 36seconds
[04:46] <patdk-lap> karmic is at 82
[04:47] <vigo> BETA
[04:47] <vigo> I guess
[04:47] <patdk-lap> removed sreadahead and reinstalled readahead-list and it's down to 58 seconds
[04:47] <almoxarife> !dockbar
[04:47] <almoxarife> !docbar
[04:47] <vigo> almoxarife: It is called something else,let me look
[04:53] <vigo> Might be Cairo Dock, but I recall seeing another one.
[04:53] <vigo> !cairo
[04:54] <gsevil> hello, I connect my Windows Mobile PPC to ubuntu 9.10 via USB, it shows that eth1 connect via RNDIS
[04:54] <gsevil> how can I use this ?
[04:57] <vigo> almoxarife: Try Awn Doc?
[04:58] <almoxarife> I figured it out, compiz setup on ubuntu tweaks did it
[04:59] <vigo> Great
[04:59] <almoxarife> ubuntu tweaks has a lot of good stuff in it, I am impressed
[05:00] <vigo> almoxarife: I am also, it was kinda buggy for me a few weeks ago.
[05:01] <vigo> Stuff all crumpled up in the Dock, was getting silly.
[05:02] <vigo> That is why I report the stuff or user input to Launchpad, I guess.
[05:08] <Guest54113> hello. i just upgraded to 9.10 and there is a weird sound coming out every 10 seconds.
[05:09] <cdm10> Oh, that? That's an undocumented feature.
[05:09] <Guest54113> so im not the only one experiencing this problem?
[05:09] <cdm10> Guest54113: I actually haven't experienced it -- I'm not an expert on sound problems, but I can try to help you out with it. does it change depending on the volume setting?
[05:10] <almoxarife> sound coming from?
[05:10] <Guest54113> i hear them from speakers
[05:10] <gsevil> I connect my ppc and it show a new device sudo ttyUSB0, how can I use this?
[05:10] <Guest54113> i tried muting, but it still does it
[05:10] <almoxarife> muted what?
[05:10] <almoxarife> master?
[05:10] <Guest54113> mute the speakers
[05:10] <Guest54113> yes
[05:11] <vigo> EMF?
[05:11] <almoxarife> your cell phone by your machine?
[05:11] <Guest54113> lol no.
[05:11] <almoxarife> pager?
[05:12] <vigo> Ok, generator or refrigerator
[05:12] <gsevil> almoxarife: you ask me?
[05:12] <Guest54113> no, just my huge homemade x-ray machine
[05:12] <vigo> Good one
[05:12] <almoxarife> no, I won't :)
[05:12] <Guest54113> heh
[05:12] <Guest54113> well it stop doing that sound now, but im sure it'll start again when i reboot
[05:12] <Guest54113> have you heard a similar case like this before?
[05:13] <almoxarife> lets hope not
[05:13] <vigo> Guest54113: Are the cables shielded?
[05:13] <almoxarife> I have, when I kept my cell phone next to the laptop
[05:13] <cdm10> GSM devices are especially nasty
[05:13] <Guest54113> cables? im using an hp laptop
[05:13] <vigo> had to ask
[05:13] <almoxarife> that's it, it's the hp, get rid of it
[05:14] <freevryheid> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
[05:15] <vigo> Do phones or ear plugs give the same static?
[05:15] <almoxarife> cyclic noise coming from speakers usually means that you are near the teleport site for the reptilian alien invasion
[05:15] <Guest54113> loool
[05:15] <wgrant> Guest54113: What sort of sound? A sort of quiet staticy crunch?
[05:15] <Guest54113> well i find the hp i have very compatible with 9.04, but it's a different issue now.
[05:16] <vigo> I am liking the Alien Invasion assessment.
[05:16] <almoxarife> Guest54113: I have to agree with you too
[05:16] <Guest54113> no, it's like a loud spark sound that comes every 10 seconds, normally on start up and then it stops.
[05:16] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, can you pastebin your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?
[05:17] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, I had the exact same issue as you on my HP Laptop.
[05:17] <almoxarife> Guest54113: that's pulse audio being nasty
[05:17] <almoxarife> do what I did, make alsa the default sound
[05:17] <wgrant> almoxarife: Uh, not necessarily.
[05:17] <wgrant> It could be ALSA powering up and down the amp.
[05:17] <Ahadiel> almoxarife, You just need to disable power_save
[05:18] <wgrant> That's the normal reason for that.
[05:18] <wgrant> What Ahadiel said.
[05:18] <Guest54113> umm how do i past that alsa-base.conf? what's to write in terminal?
[05:18] <wgrant> File a bug ('ubuntu-bug alsa-base'), and then disable power_save for a workaround.
[05:18] <Ahadiel> !paste
[05:18] <almoxarife> I don't have the issue anymore, alsa sound is my default
[05:19] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, Well, I guess you don't have to do that
[05:19] <Ahadiel> michael@michael-laptop:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf | grep power
[05:19] <Ahadiel> options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N
[05:19] <Guest54113> so what do i do? what's the solution
[05:19] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, Just edit that file and change power_save=whatever to 0
[05:19] <wgrant> almoxarife: Working around PulseAudio is not a solution.
[05:20] <almoxarife> working around? I am content with alsa, I have been since 8.4
[05:20] <wgrant> almoxarife: Perhaps. But don't go around recommending that people switch it off because it exposes ALSA bugs.
[05:21] <almoxarife> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/ubuntu-904-jaunty-keeping-the-beast-pulseaudio-at-bay/ <-- insight on how its done in jaunty, no, I don't know how it would turn out if you did it in karmic
[05:22] <almoxarife> wgrant: I suppose some like pulse and others like alsa, it's a choice, and choices are good
[05:22] <Guest54113> it won't let me edit. what's the command in terminal to edit it?
[05:22] <Guest54113> sudo edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf    ??
[05:23] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/449272
[05:23] <wgrant> almoxarife: But recommending a non-default choice for no good reason is not a good thing.
[05:23] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[05:23] <darthanubis> guess no one cares about this bug
[05:23] <Ahadiel> or gedit/vim/etc
[05:23] <wgrant> darthanubis: We have tens out thousands of bugs.
[05:23] <vigo> I love VIM
[05:23] <wgrant> s/out/of/
[05:24] <chibihogoshino> i did the system update and it locked up i then rebooted and did a apt-get upgrade .. it ran through that no errors and now when i book the screen flashes and x dosnt load ..
[05:24] <vigo> update, then upgrade
[05:24] <darthanubis> wgrant, yes, we do......
[05:24] <Guest54113> how do i save the file? it opened inside terminal
[05:24] <vigo> There is a method to that
[05:24] <chibihogoshino> i did that
[05:24] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, I believe it's Ctrl+O to save
[05:25] <vigo> hrmm
[05:25] <chibihogoshino> gdm cant find any screens
[05:26] <Guest54113> BOOM! did it.
[05:26] <vigo> chibihogoshino: On the restart did you repeat the Update/Upgrade?
[05:26] <chibihogoshino> and the hd lite keeps flashing with the screen  i cant type cus the keys are not working correctly
[05:26] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[05:26] <Ahadiel> Guest54113, Now the next time you reboot, you shouldn't hear anymore crackling.
[05:26] <chibihogoshino> it dosnt do anything.. it says its all updated
[05:26] <Guest54113> okidoo! a million + 1 thanks dudes
[05:26] <wgrant> Guest54113: Please make sure you file a bug, so we can get this fixed by default ('ubuntu-bug alsa-base' should do it)
[05:27] <Guest54113> okidoo im on it
[05:27] <chibihogoshino> i havent any any problems till i did the update too..
[05:28] <almoxarife> what's the freenode net gateway closest to WA?
[05:29] <Guest54113> ive also got another question. im used to screen space so i had both my panels resized to 18 by resizing application fonts to size 8. now since i upgraded, my top panel is sized 18 but appears to be size 23 (default) and the bottom panel is fine (size 18).
[05:30] <Jordan_U_> Guest54113: You can change the size by right clicking and choosing properties
[05:30] <Guest54113> any ideas where i could look into to fix this?
[05:31] <vigo> chibihogoshino> all I can say to that is BETA, every system cashes, BETA crashes faster and with more reliability.
[05:31] <chibihogoshino> yeah..
[05:31] <Guest54113> the icons on the top are bigger than those of the bottom panel
[05:31] <chibihogoshino> so far 904 is faster and more stable
[05:32] <Jordan_U_> vigo: At this point 9.10 is about as stable as it is going to get
[05:32] <chibihogoshino> wow..  and its out in 2 days..
[05:32] <chibihogoshino> i hope it gets better
[05:33] <vigo> chibihogoshino> That is why we choose to run buggy,BETA systems, so that they can improve by our finding the bugs and squishing them like jelly filled donuts.
[05:33] <chibihogoshino> mmmm
[05:33] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:33] <chibihogoshino> i cant get to it..
[05:33] <chibihogoshino> i dont think
[05:34] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: You can either use a LiveCD or boot into recovery mode or switch to a tty when X fails to start
[05:34] <vigo> And then the little train said, " I think I can, I think I can!"
[05:35] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: You can use pastebin without a browser using "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" from a terminal
[05:35] <vigo> !pastebin
[05:36] <chibihogoshino> yeah.  its on this hd and im running on a second partition with 904 and the 910 is on ext4
[05:36] <chibihogoshino> shoud it auto mount it ?
[05:36] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: 9.04 can mount ext4
[05:36] <chibihogoshino> ahh.. ok.
[05:37] <chibihogoshino> didnt think it could.
[05:37] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: It won't auto mount it, but you can get to it via Places > Computer or mount it manually
[05:37] <chibihogoshino> the screen flashes before x starts to load tho
[05:37] <vigo> I am running this test on the LVM , is righteous so far.
[05:40] <chibihogoshino> how long should the post be retained ?
[05:41] <vigo> a century at least
[05:43] <chibihogoshino> i think it might be from when i updated the video card drivers .. i installed the beta intel drivers ..
[05:45] <vigo> No FGLRX?
[05:45] <chibihogoshino> how would i check that ?
[05:46] <chibihogoshino> vigo here is the past bin http://pastebin.com/m6963dbda
[05:49] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: If you installed beta intel drivers you should definitely remove them since you are having problems with X starting
[05:49] <chibihogoshino> i didnt till i did the upgrade tho..
[05:49] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: Where did you install them from?
[05:49] <chibihogoshino> intels ppa site
[05:49] <vigo> chibihogoshino: That looks very wrong/
[05:50] <chibihogoshino> heh
[05:50] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: Link to the exact ppa? ( there are many X driver ppa's, more than one intel specific )
[05:50] <chibihogoshino> i got the drivers from here  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu karmic main
[05:50] <vigo> PPA is suspect at the least.
[05:51] <chibihogoshino> oh.. wait let me make shur
[05:53] <chibihogoshino> this is the one
[05:53] <chibihogoshino> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sarvatt/xorg-testing/ubuntu karmic main
[05:53] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: You can't use two X ppas at once
[05:53] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: That is why you are having ABI conflicts
[05:54] <almoxarife> ok, I got to ask, as anyone managed to use the volume applet in karmic with alsa as the default sound?
[05:54] <vigo> I agree with jordan_U_ on that one
[05:54] <chibihogoshino> ahh..
[05:54] <chibihogoshino> i dont know how to go back to the older one
[05:55] <vigo> Fresh install, then fetch the correct one?
[05:56] <chibihogoshino> heh..
[05:56] <chibihogoshino> i was kinda trying to avoid that
[05:56] <vigo> Could purge the suspect one
[05:56] <vigo> But
[05:56] <chibihogoshino> i can boot ok if i use the debug
[05:57] <chibihogoshino> i just dont know why it messes up before x loads
[05:57] <vigo> That is not clean and would not help in the dev part.
[05:57] <chibihogoshino> do they load the video drivers and x really early now ?
[05:57] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: Yes
[05:57] <vigo> Yes
[05:57] <chibihogoshino> ahhh.. ok.
[05:59] <bullgard4> In what file do I need to add a line "PAGER=most" in order to become effective?
[05:59] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: run "sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates" and "sudo ppa-purge -p xorg-testing sarvatt"
[05:59] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: ~/.profile
[05:59] <vigo> Dang, that is brilliant jordan_U_
[06:00] <coz_> hey guys   I notice pulseaudio is a little moreintegrated and when I disable pulseaudio in favor of my compiled alsa driver   I lose  mouse over preview for audio files....any solution?
[06:01] <Jordan_U_> coz_: You can't use gnome sounds without an enlightenment sound daemon replacement... and you really don't want to use ESD :)
[06:01] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  mm this is a bit bad then
[06:02] <coz_> no?
[06:02] <Jordan_U_> coz_: You know that pulseaudio doesn't replace alsa, you can use your compiled driver with pulseaudio
[06:03] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  yes I do that now however I have to allow pulsaudio to load in order for mouse over previews  which I really dont want
[06:03] <coordinador> Jordan_U_, i thought that alsa, oss, pulseaudo was sound servers, and pulseaudio replaces alsa... i am wrong?
[06:03] <coz_> I mean I really dont want pulseaudio to load
[06:03] <coordinador> teach me pls
[06:03] <Jordan_U_> coordinador: You are wrong, pulseaudio runs on top of alsa / oss
[06:04] <chibihogoshino> ok i need to reboot..
[06:04] <Jordan_U_> coz_: Out of curiosity, why not?
[06:04] <chibihogoshino> ttiab
[06:04] <coordinador> oh i see
[06:04] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  it is useless for my pro sound card  but I still want to have mouse over previews
[06:04] <Jordan_U_> coz_: What makes it useless?
[06:05] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  pulseaudio doesnt work with my sound card  as far as I know
[06:05] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  so for me it is useless
[06:05] <vigo> ESD was maintained as part of the GNOME project, but as of April 2009, all ESD modules in Gnome have been ported to libcanberra for event sounds or GStreamer/PulseAudio for everything else.[1]
[06:06] <vigo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_Sound_Daemon
[06:06] <Jordan_U_> coz_: That's odd, pulseaudio shouldn't be hardware specific since it uses alsa
[06:06] <Jordan_U_> coz_: What happened when you tried to use pulseaudo before you removed it?
[06:07] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  I havent removed it however    there is no sound with my card  using pulseaudio at all
[06:08] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  I am sure I might possibly find a way to have pulseaudio work with it  I just generally prefer compiling my driver and disabling pulseaudio  but I can google around :)
[06:09] <bullgard4> Jordan_U_: On a Ubuntu 8.04.3 computer I did not insert a line "PAGER=most" in ~/.profile and still the 'man <command-name>' command is executed using the 'most' pager. ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login do not exist either. So your answer cannot be true. Can you comment.
[06:10] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: You need to export PAGER as well
[06:10] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: What did you do on 8.04 ?
[06:11] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: There may be another way, with update-alternatives maybe, but "export PAGER=most" should do it
[06:11] <bullgard4> Jordan_U_: I forgot what I did in 8.04. But I got what I wanted: When calling a manpage, it will be displayed by the 'most' pager.
[06:12] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: adding "export PAGER=most" should do that ( you will need to log out and back in, or run "bash -l" for the change to take effect )
[06:13] <vigo> There is a package for that in 8.04 and up,,,Man stuff
[06:13] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: Adding it to ~/.profile that is
[06:13] <Guest40597> i can't remove icons from menus. in preferences, interface icons is deselected. Yet they are still in menus
[06:13] <bullgard4> Jordan_U_: I will give it a try.
[06:14] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: You can also do "sudo update-alternatives --config pager"
[06:14] <Jordan_U_> bullgard4: That will change it for all users
[06:15] <coz_> ok looks like this all has to be done manually  with pro soundcards in particular layla24  and compiling is much quicker  but stil not being able ti disable pulseaudio without losing mouse over previews is an issue for me  ...I will keep looking though
[06:15] <Guest40597> i can't take off the icons from menus. i deselected the "Show icons in menus" option from preferences yet icons are still apparent
[06:16] <Jordan_U_> coz_: Looks like I might have been wrong, libcanberra can use alsa directely
[06:17] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  thats good news  but apparenlty I am a dunce not knowing how to do that :)
[06:17] <freddo> hi all
[06:17] <Jordan_U_> coz_: I don't know how to do it either :)
[06:18] <chibihogoshino> well..
[06:18] <chibihogoshino> i dont have the command  ppa-purge
[06:18] <coz_> Jordan_U_,   well  in my opinion ..this inclusion of pulseaudio in general will not work well with pro audio set ups very well   limiting the scope of  uses for some  studios   but  perhpas it will get better ? maybe :)
[06:19] <Jordan_U_> coz_: Pro studios are probably going to be using Ubuntu Studio, which comes with jackd instead of pulseaudio
[06:20] <Guest40597>  i can't take off the icons from menus. i deselected the "Show icons in menus" option from preferences yet icons are still apparent.     How do i and wear do i report this bug??? which section?
[06:20] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  yeah maybe  but even then  pro cards need specific drivers to run them apparenlty only possible with compiled alsa drivers   but since I have experience with only a few pro cards  I cant say for sure
[06:20] <coz_> looks like I might give ubuntu studio a once over  :)
[06:20] <chibihogoshino> and i do a install without formating the drive ?
[06:20] <Jordan_U_> coz_: Drivers are completely separate from sound servers
[06:21] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  understood.... but for jack to work  the driver needs to be there for the card   but I will take a look at ubuntu studio...and if I like I will siwtch to that :)
[06:22] <Jordan_U_> chibihogoshino: You can install it with this .deb: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+files/ppa-purge_0.2.5_all.deb
[06:23] <Jordan_U_> coz_: But that still has nothing to do with whether pulseaudio is used, a card without drivers won't work without pulse either :)
[06:24] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  right understood... but with pulseaudio removed I am most likely going to get mouse over preview for audio in ubuntu studio  than in regular ubuntu  dont you think ?
[06:24] <Jordan_U_> coz_: I'm not sure what you mean
[06:25] <Guest40597>  i can't take off the icons from menus. i deselected the "Show icons in menus" option from preferences yet icons are still apparent.     How do i and wear do i report this bug??? which section?
[06:26] <RussellAlan> anyone excited for final release? lol
[06:26] <coz_> Jordan_U_,  well... as it stands on ubuntu... with my compiles driver  I can only get mouse over previews of audio files so long as pulseaudio loads.... I have not found a way to do that on karmic  with just alsa driver...although it worked fine in jaunty... if I find the solution for disabling pulseaudio in karmic and have mouse over previews work I can live with that but ... I need to google this to see if there is an option
[06:33] <almoxarife> I want to see what has been placed in the swap file, and also if I have 3gig of ram but use virtualbox should I have a bigger swap file than the 320meg I have now?
[06:41] <almoxarife> I want to know what processes swapped out to swap file?
[06:41] <almoxarife> I want my volume applet to work with alsa as default sound?
[06:42] <almoxarife> :)
[06:43] <almoxarife> is 'mint' ubuntu with another gui?
[06:43] <coz_> almoxarife,  it is a dervitive version
[06:43] <almoxarife> is anyone home?
[06:43] <coz_> almoxarife,    here is the mint website   http://www.linuxmint.com/
[06:44] <almoxarife> it as a nice front end
[06:44] <cdm10> i'm running an install, and my system is stuck on "Creating user..." which appears to be skippable. However, the skip button does nothing.
[06:44] <almoxarife> cdm10: sounds bad :)
[06:44] <almoxarife> sorry
[06:44] <cdm10> almoxarife: oh yes :)
[06:44] <coz_> cdm10,  live cd?  did you by change run the check disk usitility before booting into the live cd?
[06:45] <coz_> by chance rather
[06:45] <cdm10> coz_: hmmm... that would have been a smart idea, wouldn't it.
[06:45] <cdm10> i did run a successful install on another machine with this exact disc, though.
[06:45] <cdm10> and everything else is working fine
[06:45] <cdm10> in fact, the hard drive appears to be crunching away
[06:45] <coz_> cdm10,  mm  that makes a difference  but i would still check the cd  once on that system to be sure
[06:46] <wgrant> cdm10: You chose to encrypt your home directory, didn't you?
[06:46] <cdm10> wgrant: ...yep.
[06:46] <wgrant> cdm10: It's currently 0ing out your swap partition.
[06:46] <cdm10> wgrant: worked fine on my other machine :)
[06:46] <cdm10> ooh.
[06:46] <cdm10> i see.
[06:46] <wgrant> (yes, this should be communicated betteR)
[06:46] <cdm10> wgrant: was just thinking that :)
[06:47] <cdm10> my failing hard drive is really enjoying this.
[06:47] <cdm10> *grumble*
[06:47] <wgrant> (when you choose to encrypt your home, it will also encrypt swap, and before doing that it will zero it, to be safe).
[06:47] <cdm10> yay!
[06:47] <cdm10> done with that step.
[06:48] <cdm10> now -- what key does it encrypt the swap with?
[06:48] <cdm10> because obviously swap is up and running before I log in...
[06:48] <cdm10> or is it?
[06:48] <cdm10> i shall investigate.
[06:48] <wgrant> It's randomly generated on bootup.
[06:49] <cdm10> i see.
[06:49] <wgrant> Which means you can no longer hibernate.
[06:49] <wgrant> Well, you can hibernate, but you can't resume.
[06:49] <cdm10> ...would be nice if it had told me that
[06:49] <cdm10> haha :)
[06:49] <wgrant> It would be.
[06:49] <cdm10> couldn't they have some sort of system hibernation passphrase?
[06:49] <cdm10> oh well, I never really used hibernate anyway
[06:49] <wgrant> It is expected that resuming from a hibernated swap partition will be possible in 10.04.
[06:50] <cdm10> in fact, hibernate takes so long on my laptop (around 5 minutes...) that I've given up on it.
[06:50] <wgrant> It just takes a bit of work, given that the key obviously can't be stored unencrypted...
[06:50] <cdm10> When hibernate kicks in when my battery is low, by the time it finishes hibernating, my laptop's usually already dead.
[06:50] <wgrant> Heh, yes.
[06:50] <wgrant> All that disk activity...
[06:50] <cdm10> not even that... it should NOT take 5 minutes to hibernate a system
[06:50] <cdm10> or even 1 minute
[06:51] <JesperHansen> lo. On a mousepad when I tap with 1 finger, then its left click. When I tap with 2 fingers, then its middle click. When I tap with 3 fingers then its right click... For some reason in Karmic 2 and 3 finger function has been turn around. How to fix this?
[06:51] <cdm10> okay, maybe 1 minute. (i crunched some numbers)
[06:52] <cdm10> this seems to be the first ubuntu release that does not include all the English language packs..
[06:52] <cdm10> if you're online at installtime, it downloads them then, otherwise it bugs you upon first boot.
[06:53] <wgrant> cdm10: That's improved in the final release.
[06:53] <wgrant> cdm10: The missing stuff is pretty much just GIMP help, which is massive.
[06:53] <cdm10> wgrant: ah, ok.
[06:53] <wgrant> But it shouldn't do the stupid long downloady thing at the end for English post-RC.
[06:54] <cdm10> i'm impressed that Ubuntu's managed to stick to a CD-sized release
[06:54] <wgrant> JesperHansen: Running 'synclient TapButton2=2 TapButton3=3' will fix it for your current session.
[06:54] <wgrant> JesperHansen: You can run it on startup in System->Preferences->Startup Applicaitons
[06:54] <kahrytan> Whats the default text editor for Kubuntu?
[06:55] <Frickelpit> kate
[06:55] <wgrant> Still?
[06:56] <cdm10> ..now, will the nagging messages at usplash about the encrypted swap be around for final release?
[06:56] <wgrant> cdm10: The one that flashes up for a second saying it can't be mounted?
[06:56] <cdm10> wgrant: yep, that's the one :)
[06:56] <cdm10> several seconds, for me :(
[06:56] <wgrant> cdm10: I believe so :(
[06:57] <cdm10> lovely.
[06:57] <wgrant> Yes...
[06:57] <cdm10> ...this kinda stuff is why they didn't have encryption in the livecd installer for jaunty :(
[06:57] <wgrant> Well, it's not surprising that there are glitches. The startup process was pretty well redesigned, and indeed the thing that does all the mounting is completely new.
[06:58] <kahrytan> Or is there an easier tool to add NTFS partitions i to fstab nstead of adding them manually?
[06:58] <cdm10> wgrant: this is true.
[06:58] <cdm10> I used to use Truecrypt, I'm quite happy with only having to enter one password now, and not worrying about handling multiple filesystems
[06:58] <cdm10> although this new system IS a bit less straightforward in my mind, and far less secure in some ways.
[06:59] <wgrant> But it should also be faster.
[06:59] <cdm10> i doubt it
[06:59] <wgrant> And it is secure for the primary case, where you laptop is stolen.
[06:59] <kahrytan> What is best tool to add ntfs partitions to fstab?
[06:59] <wgrant> kahrytan: A text editor.
[06:59] <cdm10> kahrytan: your text editor of choice
[07:00] <cdm10> nooo! I was so happy when I saw my beloved Broadcom B43 driver appear on the livecd, but when installed, my only option is STA, which has not worked as well for me.
[07:00] <wgrant> cdm10: None of the applications or their static data are encrypted.
[07:00] <kahrytan> I said tool. not test editor
[07:00] <kahrytan> a text editor isnt a tool.
[07:00] <wgrant> A text editor is a most useful tool.
[07:00] <cdm10> wgrant: I know -- when I ran Truecrypt, I only encrypted a private directory within my home for things like emails and stuff.
[07:01] <wgrant> Useful and ubiquitous.
[07:01] <cdm10> wgrant: and Truecrypt is surprisingly fast -- it now takes advantage of multicore.
[07:01] <kahrytan> Text editor is NOT  tool.
[07:01] <cemc> is it just me or are the icons in the GNOME System menu not showing?
[07:01] <cdm10> cemc: it's a "design decision"
[07:01] <cdm10> cemc: makes things look "cleaner"
[07:02] <wgrant> (so says GNOME)
[07:02] <cdm10> ...you're kidding me.
[07:02] <cdm10> wgrant: yes.
[07:02] <coz_> cemc,  go to system/preference/appearance and the Interface tab
[07:02] <cdm10> dammit. Downstairs to the ethernet for me.
[07:02] <kahrytan> so again, What is the best tool to configure fstab with fstab without manually doing it
[07:02] <coz_> cemc,  then click show icons in menus
[07:02] <cdm10> WHY was I able to run wireless in the livecd but not in the installed version without DOWNLOADING a driver from the INTERNET?
[07:02] <cdm10> I feel like I'm on Windows.
[07:02] <wgrant> cdm10: File a bug!
[07:02] <coz_> cemc,  it is one of many design decisions that are not quite thought out well
[07:02] <JesperHansen> wgrant: thx. I wanna kick whoever in the nuts who thought it would be a good idea to reverse them
[07:02] <cemc> coz_: hehe, that helped
[07:03] <cdm10> wgrant: ...as soon as I have a connection. *grumbles*
[07:03] <cemc> but it's strange that some icons were there before
[07:03] <cemc> like in the Application menu
[07:03] <cdm10> ugh. It's copying Apple and MS.
[07:03] <wgrant> cemc: Icons representing objects remain.
[07:03] <cdm10> buttons like "close," etc. don't have icons any more, and look very bare
[07:03] <cdm10> not to mention making things harder for people who have trouble reading
[07:04] <wgrant> Right. That is one thing I strongly object to.
[07:04] <cemc> me doesn't like it either, at first glance :)
[07:04] <cemc> I seem to have another problem, maybe it's related
[07:04] <coz_> cemc,  its a bad design decision
[07:05] <cemc> say I have a couple of xterms open, and I have the tabs in the taskbar for every xterm
[07:05] <cemc> in some cases I can't seem to click on them
[07:05] <cemc> to select the specific window
[07:05] <coz_> cemc,  are you using compiz by chance?
[07:05] <cemc> nope
[07:06] <cemc> me no like compiz either ;)
[07:06] <coz_> cemc,  ah ok
[07:06] <cemc> it seems like when I change workspaces,
[07:06] <cemc> then it happens
[07:07] <cemc> like: switch to workspace 1 (with keyboard shortcut), open 3 terminals, switch to workspace 2, then switch back and try to click one of the taskbar tabs. nothing happens, it doesn't "click"
[07:08] <cemc> not always but fairly often to notice
[07:09] <coz_> cemc,  mm maybe it is effecting the terminal on the other workspace   are the terminal set to sticky?
[07:09] <cemc> the other workspace is empty, nothing open there. it's not sticky
[07:10] <coz_> cemc,  maybe right click the title bar and set to Always on visible workspace
[07:11] <coordinador> I cant stand the wait until the 10.04 repositories are available!!!! :D:D:D
[07:11] <syn-ack> Next month
[07:11] <syn-ack> After UDS.
[07:12] <almoxarife> I got a really good question, lets suppose that I have an old toshiba with a restore to XP partition that does just that, clean re-install of xp, which is good, but I want to install that partition into a virtual machine, cause I don't have another way of getting a xp install.........
[07:12] <coordinador> what is UDS?
[07:12] <syn-ack> coordinador, The Ubuntu Developer Summit
[07:13] <cdm10__> ughhh.
[07:13] <cdm10__> I am now plugged into ethernet. Waiting for updates to complete. Then i get to install wireless drivers.
[07:14] <coordinador> syn-ack, is there decided what will be the next release?
[07:15] <cemc> coz_: that's no good :) I don't want them to show up on every workspace, that's why I have workspaces, to keep stuff separated
[07:15] <coz_> cemc,  understood
[07:16] <cemc> when I'm on the first workspace, I see only those windows and those tabs on the taskbar
[07:16] <coordinador> im installing ubuntu 9.04 in a 2gb microsd , will i have a problem with that?
[07:16] <coordinador> oops, bad channel
[07:16] <cemc> when I switch workspaces the taskbar has only the tabs on the current workspace
[07:17] <almoxarife> cemc: you can fix that
[07:19] <kahrytan> How do you 'avivate' a gpu driver since activate button does not work?
[07:19] <kahrytan> How do you 'activate' a gpu driver since activate button does not work? i click it and nothing happens
[07:20] <cemc> almoxarife: I know there is an option for it, but I like it this way ;)
[07:22] <coz_> kahrytan,  which video card do you have?
[07:22] <kahrytan> ATI
[07:22] <coordinador> somebody has an msi wind here?
[07:23] <coz_> kahrytan, mm  darn I am the last person you want to talk with about ati  however  what does   lspci | grep -i vga  spit out?
[07:23] <kahrytan> oh i got it
[07:23] <coz_> ok cool
[07:23] <kahrytan> ATI works better on my system then nvidia driver
[07:24] <coz_> kahrytan,  what was the issue?
[07:24] <kahrytan> didnt select it
[07:24] <coz_> kahrytan,  ah yes the old "didnt select" excuse  lol
[07:25] <kahrytan> Yet another none critical bug in kubuntu... activate button should be greyed out until something is selected
[07:25] <cdm10_> UGH. No wireless happening over here. Anyone running Broadcom on Karmic?
[07:32] <volante> so anyone noticed the problem where you try to install karmic from cdrom and it boots the live image instead of the installer?
[07:36] <cwalsh> Greetings, I'm having some issues with mounting a filesystem in 9.10
[07:36] <cwalsh> It worked well before, then I installed a new drive and it refuses the mount the partition to my home directory
[07:37] <cwalsh> Other partitions on the same hd are working fine, just this one will not mount, saying "mount: /dev/sda7 already mounted or /home/user/ busy"
[07:37] <cwalsh> refuses to let me mount it anywhere, and it is not already mounted somewhere
[07:38] <Jordan_U_> Am I missing something or were only 63 of the hundred paper cuts fixed?
[07:41] <Jordan_U_> cwalsh: Can you mount to other direcries, like /mnt ?
[07:41] <cwalsh> not that partition, no
[07:41] <Jordan_U_> cwalsh: Can you pastebin the output of "mount" with no other options?
[07:42] <syn-ack> Jordan_U_, The rest were probably upstream issues
[07:42] <syn-ack> Things *they* themselves couldnt do
[07:42] <Jordan_U_> syn-ack: Doesn't that make it not a papercut?
[07:42] <syn-ack> Come to think about it
[07:43] <syn-ack> yeah thats a good point
[07:43] <syn-ack> hrm
[07:43] <cwalsh> but my /var/www partition that is /dev/sda6 and working fine
[07:43] <cwalsh> one sec
[07:43] <cwalsh> I'm on my netbook, so I'll have to retype it up
[07:43] <cwalsh> (problem is with my desktop)
[07:43] <Jordan_U_> syn-ack: I thought 100 papercuts were supposed to be fixed by the time 9.10 released
[07:43] <syn-ack> You're thinking right...
[07:43] <syn-ack> I dont know how to answer that now...
[07:44] <Jordan_U_> Maybe they'll fix the other 37 bugs tomorrow...
[07:45] <syn-ack> Jordan_U_, I know that I saved a buch of money on my car insurance by switching to gieco?
[07:45] <Jordan_U_> Or hopefully I am missing something on https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[07:45] <syn-ack> Is that an acceptable answer? :P
[07:46] <dmatt> coordinador: my wife has MSI wind
[07:46] <i_is_broke> well have i missed anything important today??? been busy with grandkids all day ..havent even done updates yet.
[07:46] <julien__> hi , i see ebox 1.3.6 on deselect but apt-get installs 1.3.5 any help?
[07:46] <dmatt> coordinador: but I take care of it :)
[07:46] <syn-ack> Jordan_U_, No, I'm right...
[07:46] <syn-ack> take this for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/462404
[07:47] <syn-ack> Jordan_U_, They cant really do that on their own... that really is more of a Gnome issue
[07:47] <coordinador> dmatt, which ubuntu version has?
[07:47] <coordinador> i have issues with wifi
[07:48] <coordinador> i can see the networks but i cant connect to it
[07:48] <dmatt> coordinador: kubuntu jaunty now
[07:48] <coordinador> im using ubuntu jaunty
[07:48] <coordinador> is there a problem with the drivers or so?
[07:48] <syn-ack> which card?
[07:49] <julien__> any apt-get experts?
[07:49] <coordinador> syn-ack, how can i check that?
[07:49] <dmatt> coordinador: no problems here, but you might have different wifi card in it
[07:49] <syn-ack> coordinador, lspci | grep net
[07:49] <coordinador> syn-ack, if this question wasnt for me , then im sorry
[07:49] <cwalsh> Gah, I borked the permissions in my home directory when I was trying to test
[07:49] <cwalsh> I'll have the output of mount in a sec
[07:49] <coordinador> oh ill check the command
[07:50] <dmatt> coordinador: check the sticker on the bottom, the type is specified there (look for RF module) - we have Ralink RT2700E
[07:50] <coordinador> i get " realtek semiconductor co. ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast ethernet controller (rev 02)"
[07:51] <syn-ack> hrm
[07:51] <coordinador> dmatt, rtl8187SE
[07:52] <julien__> ?? pls
[07:52] <dupondje> tomorrow is the day :P
[07:52] <dmatt> coordinador: looks different :) try to google it with like "ubuntu wifi problem rtl8187SE"
[07:52] <coordinador> i will , thank
[07:52] <syn-ack> coordinador, Honestly, I have the Atheros chipset and when I was running Jaunty there were some things my card couldnt do very well but when I upgraded my kernel along with the rest of the system, it pretty much solved it. So only knowing a vague description doesnt really do much for a fix
[07:53] <dmatt> coordinador: and give karmic livecd chance, it might have improved
[07:54] <coordinador> dmatt, i try firstly karmic beta but the X didn started correctly, only black screen with spinner cursor at the center
[07:54] <coordinador> i tried a few hours ago
[07:55] <Echo_of_Silence> question : whats new in karmic?
[07:55] <dmatt> coordinador: i am going to try now. which type you have? ours is Wind U100
[07:56] <syn-ack> Echo_of_Silence, Too much to list. Read the changelog
[07:56] <coordinador> dmatt, is the same :)
[07:56] <Echo_of_Silence> syn-ack, i dont understand it...lol new to ubuntu
[07:57] <Echo_of_Silence> syn-ack, so basicaly i'm wondering if i can now vid- chat with windows supported aim
[08:03] <dmatt> coordinador: it is (slowly) coming up, I am on karmic RC and do have correct display
[08:03] <coordinador> :o
[08:04] <coordinador> i tried with karmic beta and didnt work
[08:04] <coordinador> dmatt, is the installation process or you have it installed already?
[08:05] <dmatt> coordinador: no, it is only livecd now
[08:05] <coordinador> thats weird
[08:06] <dmatt> coordinador: intel 945GME rev 03 graphics
[08:07] <coordinador> dmatt, what argument do you give to grep?
[08:08] <dmatt> just lspci|grep VGA
[08:08] <dmatt> coordinador: lspci alone is enough, it is not very long
[08:10] <coordinador> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[08:11] <dmatt> coordinador: but i see different problem... I changed brightness with Fn keys and it continues to randomly change it, sort of like somebody continuously plays with it
[08:11] <dmatt> very unpleasant
[08:11] <mickep> Hi, how do I cleanly disable the greeter sound in GDM? I read the bug reports about removing the .wav which I do not want. Also disale "Gnome login sound" in Startup Applications does not make a difference. I already disabled the system sounds in the Sound preference dialog.
[08:12] <coordinador> dmatt, it happened to me in a dell inspiron 6400 with ubuntu 9.04 or may be 8.10, similar videocard
[08:13] <dmatt> coordinador: that brightness thing or not booting X?
[08:14] <coordinador> dmatt, brightness
[08:14] <dmatt> coordinador: how did you solve it?
[08:15] <dmatt> coordinador: filed a bug for it?
[08:17] <coordinador> dmatt, it fixed only upgrading
[08:17] <cwalsh> Jordan_U_, I somehow disconnected
[08:17] <cwalsh> did I miss any suggestions from you?
[08:18] <coordinador> oh god its 5.18am
[08:19] <coordinador> see you
[08:19] <ckwalsh> Ugh.  Stupid connection
[08:21] <coordinador> byee
[08:27] <ckwalsh> Whoa
[08:27] <ckwalsh> what in the world?
[08:28] <ckwalsh> It suddenly mounted itself
[08:29] <ckwalsh> Ah, I think I figured it out
[08:29] <ckwalsh> Does Karmic handle the 30 mount drive check in the background rather than during startup?
[08:29] <almoxarife> mounted itself? sounds reptilian aliens
[08:30] <ckwalsh> Like jaunty and previous versions did?
[08:30] <ckwalsh> That would explain why it refused to mount, since it actually was busy, and why it suddenly was mounted unexpectedly
[08:34] <mickep> ckwalsh: sounds very unlikely to me (without knowing it)
[08:43] <chunknuts> Is there a bug with the RC of Xubuntu?
[08:45] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I've recently upgraded to Karmic...I cant see a way to remove the volume applet from the notification panel...is there a way as yet?
[08:47] <chunknuts> hmmm. never tried
[08:51] <topyli> mikebeecham, remove gnome-volume-control-applet from the list of startup applications of your session
[08:51]  * topyli wonders why it is a notification area icon in the first place
[08:52] <Jordan_U_> topyli: Because the icon changes when the colume changes I would guess
[08:52] <Jordan_U_> s/colume/volume
[08:52] <topyli> well if you really really want to rationalize it at any cost :)
[08:53] <kahrytan> Who knows how to change default boot option in grub2 regardless of how many kernels installed>?
[08:53] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: sudo grub-set-default "title" where title is the title of the menu entry you want to be the default
[08:54] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  and where do i find that without using menu at boot?
[08:54] <mikebeecham> topyli: thanks mate
[08:57] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg or run: sudo grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep -o '".*"'
[08:58] <kahrytan> uh, Can i edit the title?
[09:00] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: What do you want it to be?
[09:01] <kahrytan> anything than what it is
[09:02] <mikebeecham> I understand that this is not the channel for reporting bugs, but is there a link where I can do so?
[09:02] <indus> mikebeecham: report a bug with command ubuntu-bug -p package
[09:03] <topyli> mikebeecham, best way is to select "report a problem" from your application's 'help' menu is there is one
[09:03] <mikebeecham> Indus..sorry mate, I've not been using linux that long...what you just type....went straight over my head :D
[09:03] <topyli> or what indus said
[09:04] <indus> mikebeecham: suppose
[09:05] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Since they are automatically generated you can either add one manual menu entry or change how the titles are generated, what exactly do you want to do?
[09:05] <indus> mikebeecham: ther eis a problem with rhythmbox, you open a terminal and type ubuntu-bug -p rhythmbox and wait and watch
[09:05] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  It's the Windows entry. it's to complicated.
[09:06] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  It shouldn't say "Windows  (loader) (on /dev/sda1)"
[09:10] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Copy the windows menu entry from your /boot/grub/grub.cfg to /etc/grub.d/40_custom and change the title to whatever you want
[09:12] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  then?
[09:12] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Run update-grub and the new entry will be added to your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:13] <kahrytan> but wont remove old one
[09:14] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: If you want to remove the old one then "sudo rmmod /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober"
[09:14] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Sorry, meant rm, not rmmod
[09:15]  * Jordan_U_ should probably go to sleep
[09:16] <kahrytan> that removes the Windows detector?
[09:16] <mikebeecham> not indus very perceptive that it's Rhythmbox (of sorts), the notification panel that appears when a new track is being played is VERY small!
[09:16] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Yes
[09:16] <mikebeecham> dont why I typed 'not' indus??
[09:16] <indus> mikebeecham: i just gave an example, you file bug against the package you have problem with
[09:16] <mikebeecham> lol
[09:16] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  gotta be better
[09:16] <kahrytan> way
[09:16] <mikebeecham> good guess :D
[09:16] <indus> mikebeecham: lol it really is rhythmbox? hihihii
[09:17] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: You can also just disable it with "sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober"
[09:17] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  How do i tell it to use different name?
[09:18] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Add the manual menu entry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[09:18] <kahrytan> But doesnt change how prober names it during update therefore is not an option
[09:19] <CoUrPsE> Can karmic be network installed/
[09:19] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: The prober won't be run, the static menu entry will be added every update
[09:19] <mikebeecham> indus: yessir...rhytmnbox
[09:20] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  How do I get the prober to name the entry CORRECTLY?
[09:20] <kahrytan> i dont care about custom entries
[09:20] <indus> mikebeecham: iam not sure if this is a rb problem or problem with notify osd but file it anyway, someone will change the package later
[09:20] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: What do you want it to name the entry?
[09:20] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  just the title.
[09:20] <mikebeecham> indus: done mate....and thanks for the heads up
[09:20] <CoUrPsE> Can karmic be network installed?
[09:20] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: The title being?
[09:21] <mikebeecham> apart from that...loving Karmic
[09:21] <kahrytan> How hard is to get something named by the actual name of the OS instead of crap added to it
[09:21] <indus> mikebeecham: welcome
[09:22] <indus> kahrytan: you can name it anything if you edit some grub file ,now changed in karmic so cant advice
[09:24] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Try asking in #grub
[09:24] <kahrytan> uh no.
[09:25] <topyli> kahrytan, this really seems to mean a lot to you. looks like karmic is relatively bug-free by now :)
[09:25] <mikebeecham> oh wow...now Karmix has given me two of every SMB share I have from the Mac downstairs...not sure if that's a good thing or not
[09:25] <mikebeecham> lol
[09:27] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_, and set-default didnt even work
[09:27] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: How did it not work?
[09:28] <kahrytan> the entry doesnt mention default
[09:28] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: What entry?
[09:29] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  try to remember the conversation. its annoying to repeat. Windows.
[09:29] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Why should the menu entry mention default?
[09:29] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_, Grub2 needs to default to Windows so when computer turns on, it boots windows so I can record tv programs since mythtv is piece of crap.
[09:30] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: The default is stored in /boot/grub/grubenv, where are you looking?
[09:31] <kahrytan> i should have just stayed with grub1
[09:33] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: "gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober" and remove "(on ${DEVICE})"
[09:33] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: There is probably a better way but I need sleep, you should really ask in #grub
[09:37] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  that works.
[09:38] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  i coppied line and use comment to back it up
[09:41] <joris> Hi I have a weird cdrom issue after upgrade to karmic
[09:41] <kahrytan> So How do you set default in grub2?
[09:42] <eagles0513875> utterly strange
[09:42] <Lazy> kahrytan: if i remember correctly it is set in /etc/default/grub or something like that
[09:42] <joris> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[09:42] <eagles0513875> i havent logged on to my linux partition on my laptop for some time due to wifi not working and now its working just fine
[09:43] <kahrytan> Lazy,  this is karmic  help and not jaunty
[09:43] <Lazy> kahrytan: yeah?
[09:44] <kahrytan> So How do you set default in grub2?
[09:45] <Lazy> ok ichecked, there is GRUB_DEFAULT=0 in /etc/default/grub
[09:45] <Lazy> i would believe that this is the the default value
[09:46] <eagles0513875> Lazy: and kahrytan refer to this link
[09:46] <eagles0513875> !grub
[09:46] <eagles0513875> !grub2
[09:46] <eagles0513875> the 2nd one
[09:46] <eagles0513875> grub2 isnt like grub you dont edit the menu.lst any more
[09:46] <Lazy> i know
[09:47] <Lazy> where did i say that you have to edit menu.lst?
[09:47] <Lazy> and from your link "The files primarily responsible for the content of grub.cfg are /etc/default/grub and individual script files located in /etc/grub.d/"
[09:48] <kahrytan> Is it possible to move Windows entry to the top of grub2 menu?
[09:48] <Lazy> kahrytan: i think you have to rename the files in /etc/grub.d
[09:48] <om26er> kahrytan, why mister anderson why?
[09:48] <mickep> kahrytan: I'd go with Lazy's tip of editing /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT.
[09:49] <kahrytan> om26er,  because it has to default to Windows
[09:49] <mickep> kahrytan: change the default via Lazy's tip.
[09:49] <om26er> kahrytan, great
[09:50] <mahiti> kahrytan: as you edit the file ,so shall it look
[09:51] <hipitihop> can someone please shed some light on the following error from dmesg from dmesg and please help me shed some light on the problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/303444/
[09:51] <kahrytan> mahiti,  thats to much configuring. Why cant linux be more like Windows and just work right?
[09:51] <om26er> kahrytan, why can't windows be free of cost
[09:52] <jussi01> !windows
[09:53] <kahrytan> jussi01,  jumping the gun arent we
[09:54] <jussi01> kahrytan: nope. om26er asked an open quesion which invites debate and a long answer. I advised, through the bot where that kind of question should be asked.
[09:54] <mickep> kahrytan: you are the one asking for help (that people inhere provide for free), so if I were you I'd change my attitude a bit.
[09:55] <om26er> jussi01, actually i critisized him
[09:56] <om26er> jussi01, he asked why linux can't be like windows and i said why windows can't be free
[09:56] <jussi01> om26er: Its rather a moot point, as this channel is about support for the development release of Ubuntu. all other chatter should be moved elsewhere.
[09:56] <kahrytan> I really need to setup Windows entry to be default entry no matter how many kernels are installed.
[09:56] <om26er> like jussi01
[09:57] <jussi01> kahrytan: and youve been given advice on how to do that
[09:57] <kahrytan> jussi01,  and no i havent
[09:57] <kahrytan> jussi01,  editing things like set default="0" wont work when kernels are installed
[09:58] <indus_> windows also has something similar to grub, if you know what to do
[09:58] <indus_> hipitihop: what is the error here? dmesg says lots of stuff
[09:58] <jussi01> kahrytan: ok, Ill take your word for it, since I have studied grub2. However, if you dont find support here, there are forums and of course google.
[09:59] <kahrytan> set default="0" is the entry number. If a new kernel is installed, entry number for Windows is changed
[09:59] <kahrytan> therefore is not the proper way of doing it
[10:00] <kahrytan> grub-set-default command doesnt work. tried it
[10:00] <om26er> kahrytan, why you care. ser default=0 and install this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31.5/linux-image-2.6.31-02063105-generic_2.6.31-02063105_i386.deb and then remove old kernel and enjoy
[10:00] <fcuk112> does anyone else have low sound volume in karmic?
[10:01] <om26er> fcuk112, i have 200% sound in karmic
[10:01] <kahrytan> om26er,  you dont listen do you
[10:02] <phako> dtchen: you closed my slmodem/pulseaudio bug, but I still have the problem
[10:02] <om26er> i install karmic and when i change the volume of my mic it don't work in empathy until i reinstall. **mic works in sound recorder
[10:03] <kahrytan> I really need to setup Windows entry to be default entry no matter how many kernels are installed.  set default=0 IS NOT THE ANSWER
[10:03] <om26er> until i reinstall karmic koala
[10:04] <om26er> kahrytan, read this page it might help **might
[10:04] <om26er> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[10:04] <kahrytan> jussi01, no i havent. if i had, i wouldnt be here and frustrated
[10:05] <kahrytan> om26er,  that page is useless. doesnt help
[10:06] <kahrytan> Does grub legacy work with ext4?
[10:06] <jussi01> kahrytan: abusing people isnt goign to get you problem solved. Have you looked to see if grub2 has a mailing list, or a forum of its own?
[10:06] <kahrytan> Does grub legacy work with ext4? Since no one here can help with permanent default setup.
[10:07] <indus> jussi01: i dont think he abused anyone ,unless evidence says otherwise
[10:07] <AlienPenguin> kahrytan, not sure about ubuntu, but yes
[10:07] <indus> frustrated user is a whole other thing though
[10:08] <eagles0513875> i thought the reason for ext 4 is for the size of hard drives such as 1tb hd and higher
[10:08] <eagles0513875> someone feel free to correct me if that assumption is wrong
[10:08] <indus> eagles0513875: mine is 80 gb and i use ext4
[10:08] <jussi01> kahrytan: I just googled, and it didnt take me long to find the answer on the forums : # GRUB_DEFAULT="xxxx" - An exact menu entry, including the quotation symbols, may also be used. In this case, location in the menu will not matter. Example: GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic"
[10:08] <alankila> there's more to ext4 than that. It's just an improvement in filesystem technology.
[10:08] <eagles0513875> same with my duel boot
[10:09] <eagles0513875> alankila: what exactly if you dont mind me askin
[10:09] <alankila> eagles0513875: there's a wikipedia page about ext4.
[10:09] <eagles0513875> will take a look at that thanks alankila :)
[10:10] <eagles0513875> anyone on kubuntu here
[10:10] <kahrytan> jussi01,  Hello? GRUB_DEFAULT=0    * Sets the default menu entry by menu position.
[10:10] <jussi01> kahrytan: yes
[10:10] <kahrytan> jussi01,  if another kernel, the menu position CHANGES
[10:10] <om26er> eagles0513875, actually ext4 is really patches and bit upgrade to ext3
[10:10] <jussi01> kahrytan: read again?
[10:10] <kahrytan> jussi01,  that NOT ....NOT  THE SOLUTION
[10:11] <jussi01> kahrytan: I just googled, and it didnt take me long to find the answer on the forums : # GRUB_DEFAULT="xxxx" - An exact menu entry, including the quotation symbols, may also be used. In this case, location in the menu will not matter. Example: GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-9-generic"
[10:11] <eagles0513875> om26er: i also ready it had something to do with hdd size as well
[10:11] <om26er> jussi01, and kahrytan so your fight is not over yet
[10:11] <om26er> eagles0513875, yes
[10:12] <jussi01> kahrytan: so do you understand now?
[10:12] <om26er> eagles0513875, i have heard that btrfs is a neext generation filesystem and might come to ubuntu after Lucid Lynx **might
[10:12] <eagles0513875> nice what is it exactly
[10:13] <om26er> eagles0513875, its still in very early development but heavy development
[10:13] <Light-> om26er, does it out-perform ext4?
[10:13] <jussi01> om26er: eagles0513875 much as Im sure its an interesting discussion, it really is straying away from ubuntu karmic support
[10:13] <eagles0513875> sry jussi01
[10:14] <om26er> Light-, its full of features
[10:14] <dmatt> eagles0513875: i am on kubuntu
[10:14] <Light-> so? features usually mean bloat. if it's slower than ext4, I doubt it will be too popular
[10:14] <eagles0513875> dmatt: what is your take on the plasma-widget-network-manager and wifi
[10:15] <kahrytan> jussi01,  lets try that but where to do it
[10:15] <jussi01> kahrytan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[10:15] <jussi01> kahrytan: /etc/default/grub
[10:16] <kahrytan> doesntexist
[10:16] <dmatt> eagles0513875: does work for me, but i tested it only on unencrypted network
[10:16] <eagles0513875> its been up and down for me
[10:16] <eagles0513875> now its working and i havent updated in about 2 weeks
[10:16] <jussi01> eagles0513875: do you ahve a support question?
[10:17] <eagles0513875> just trying to see if anyone else as a working plasma-widget-network-manager working on a wpa2 encrypted network
[10:17] <eagles0513875> dmatt: may i pm you
[10:17] <dmatt> eagles0513875: yes
[10:18] <fire_> hello
[10:18] <fire_> can someone help me?
[10:18] <jussi01> !ask | fire_
[10:19] <mickep> Hi, how do I cleanly disable the greeter sound in GDM? I read the bug reports about removing the .wav which I do not want. Also disale "Gnome login sound" in Startup Applications does not make a difference. I already disabled the system sounds in the Sound preference dialog.
[10:20] <fire_> I can't see videos, I have installer ffmpeg, I can hear them but can't see them, the window apears transparent, not white, not black. I have installed my nvidia drivers and they work good with compiz and everything
[10:20] <kasimon> Hi. Has anyone managed to enable ~/.xsession on karmic. I tried https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589544#c7 without success.
[10:23] <joaopinto> mickep, the new gdm does not have a configuration interface, renaming the .was maybe your only option
[10:23] <joaopinto> ops, .wav
[10:25] <mickep> joaopinto: ok, since it is bug-reported I'll do that and wait for a fix. I have a feeling that this has to be done fast, since many people have their laptops on conferences and similar places where you don't want any sound.
[10:25] <kahrytan> Now grub2 is configured... there wouldnt be a way to install multiple packages at once in software center would it?
[10:26] <joaopinto> mickep, since there is a simple workaround is unlikely that there will be a fix for the current release
[10:27] <mickep> joaopinto: I'm not sure. To actually remove the file might lead to problems if you want that file playing at another occation.
[10:28] <joaopinto> it is a minor problem, not a bug but the lack of the feature, and there is a simple workaround,
[10:28] <joaopinto> mickep, what is the file pathname ?
[10:29] <hipitihop> indus_: sorry back now.... see bottom of tge log ... "Out of memory: kill process...."  what is causing this, it is a 2gb machine with 1.3 free prior to running this thing
[10:29] <kahrytan> is there gui tool to edit fstab?
[10:29] <joaopinto> hipitihop, what are you running ?
[10:32] <hipitihop> joaopinto: afaik it is mtd which is a DVD import in Mythbuntu
[10:32] <mickep> joaopinto: it is an ogg file in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo, not sure which one, most likely "system-ready.ogg"
[10:33] <mickep> (which actually points to dialog-question.ogg)
[10:36] <kasimon> Anyone? I think it is a serious regression and has completely disabled my working environmenet.
[10:42] <gRnt> Hi all I am looking for a package someone in the ubuntu channel was able to help me out and said it existed but my current repo's don't see it
[10:42] <gRnt> gRnt: libkadm55 (source: krb5): MIT Kerberos administration runtime libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 147 kB, installed size 400 kB [21:10] <jrib> gRnt: what version of ubuntu are you using exactly?   That package exists in the latest ubuntu
[10:42] <joaopinto> kasimon, the "serious" is arguable :)
[10:42] <gRnt> is there a way to fix that?
[10:44] <joaopinto> gRnt, that package is not available on karmic, maybe it was renamed to libkadm5srv6 ?
[10:44] <indus_> hipitihop: hello
[10:44] <joaopinto> kasimon, search for a bug report on launchpad, if is not there report it
[10:44] <gRnt> joaopinto: I tried that and it didn't find it, I'll try again incase I typoed, could I add the jaunty repo to my sources.list and get it from there? or does that not work
[10:45] <joaopinto> gRnt, NO, you can't
[10:45] <gRnt> wow okies :s
[10:45] <gRnt> sorry still learning, going backwards is bad?
[10:45] <joaopinto> you can't mix different versions repositories :P
[10:45] <indus_> hipitihop: sorry dont know about this error
[10:45] <joaopinto> mixing different versions is bad
[10:46] <gRnt> joaopinto: after all of that must have typoed it, as it is already up to date!
[10:46] <gRnt> On with the tutorial! thanks
[10:50] <kasimon> joaopinto: it's already there (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gdm/+bug/398300), but doesn't have a solution.
[10:53] <joaopinto> kasimon, have you tried to create a /usr/share/xsessions/xsession.desktop file with the described contents ?
[10:55] <kasimon> joaopinto: yes, but gnome is started nevertheless.
[10:55] <joaopinto> hum, I assume that by adding a xsessions entry you get a new session type option on GDM, right ?
[10:56] <kasimon> yes, that part works. I also checked ~/.xsession is executable (my favourite mistake)
[10:59] <ActionParsnip2> yo yo yo
[11:00] <gRnt> Argh, scrolled down past a few major steps in the tutorial, CLI is a very hard thing to get used to!
[11:01] <joaopinto> kasimon, that's odd :\
[11:02] <kasimon> joaopinto: yes, really. And I don't know how to debug X session startup.
[11:03] <richardcavell> okay, guys, what's the countdown now?
[11:04] <Termana> 2 days?
[11:06] <joaopinto> kasimon, you need to hack around /etc/X11/Xsession
[11:06] <dtchen> phako: it's very likely a dupe anyhow
[11:07] <kasimon> joaopinto: do you have any details? I'm currently creating a debug session that only outputs the environment to /tmp
[11:09] <joaopinto> kasimon, adding a set -v on /etc/X11/Xsession might help
[11:09] <joaopinto> kasimon, I assume you checked .xsession-errors
[11:10] <kasimon> joaopinto: yes, i did. I'll try that
[11:11] <Dink> Not sure how to file this but the only way for me to have gdm/gnome start on tty7 and have other working terminals is to remove splash from the kernel line. Known bug ?
[11:12] <joaopinto> Dink, it's know, only with some graphical cards, there should be a bug already reported about it, search on launchpad
[11:12] <joaopinto> known
[11:13] <Dink> search under x11, xserver-xorg, usplash,xsplash,gdm ?
[11:14] <joaopinto> it's usplash related
[11:14] <Dink> cool thanks will look
[11:15] <joaopinto> Dink, you have the latest updates installed, right ?
[11:15] <Dink> yep
[11:15] <joaopinto> that problem was fixed for some cases some weeks ago
[11:15] <joaopinto> ok :\
[11:16] <Dink> legacy ati card, might be why
[11:18] <Dink> Its not a big issue to me, I usually like to boot to term anyways so I can manually mount my encrypted drives then I start up gdm. Like hiding the fact that my fs are encrypted.
[11:18] <Dink> Wasn't sure if it was reported or not
[11:21] <Dink> obrigado e tem um bom dia
[11:21]  * Dink goes back to lurking 
[11:27] <kasimon> joaopinto: no time now to work on the xsession issue. If I find out something about it, I'll add it to the launchpad bug.
[11:27] <kasimon> joaopinto: thanks for the hints.
[11:27] <joaopinto> kasimon, ok, if i get some time i will also check it out, thanks
[11:28] <alankila> sd*/sdf
[11:29] <alankila> whoops, just ran out of memory while developing...
[11:32] <ebb> im excited ... yeh im sad :/
[11:32] <Jimmio> Yay Karmic! :D
[11:43] <ebb> =]
[11:44] <ebb> actualy not that sad , it would be sad to say queue outside at midnight to get it
[11:50] <zetheroo> 1 day to go ... ohhhh yeah
[11:50] <zetheroo> any changes going to take place in the next 24 hours?
[11:50] <ebb> less then 24 hours?
[11:51] <ebb> it was 1 day to go yesterday
[11:51] <zetheroo> right
[11:51] <zetheroo> what time does the canonical clock go by?
[11:52] <ebb> lol
[11:52] <zetheroo> ha
[11:52] <dtchen> there's no set time
[11:52] <dtchen> we go through this same question every release
[11:52] <zetheroo> yeah  ... I know ...
[11:52] <joaopinto> changes on the last 24h would be bad :P
[11:52] <ebb> lol
[11:52] <dtchen> the only change has been to ubiquity, uploaded to karmic-updates, for a respin of i386 disks
[11:52] <zetheroo> its just fun to bring it up every time ...
[11:52] <ebb> release day is a specail day that can be up to 48 hours :)
[11:52] <zetheroo> indeed
[11:53] <zetheroo> its a like Christmas and New Years all in one
[11:53] <zetheroo> ha
[11:53] <xevil> anyone have the problem of the akonadi server failing to start?  possible solution?
[11:53] <zetheroo> so its probably just fine to upgrade already to Karmic .. ay?
[11:53] <ebb> meybe they want to release it exactly every half year so they take in to account leap years
[11:54] <zetheroo> hmm
[11:54] <dtchen> zetheroo: karmic is final in the repository already.
[11:54] <dtchen> again, only the i386 disks are being respun
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> Yea - there really shouldent be any updates this late in the game.
[11:54] <zetheroo> oh ok
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> I tend to update/upgrade a day or 2 befor release.. then wait a week after reelase to update/upgrade again. :) to miss the servers gettting hammered  on the days after release
[11:55] <zetheroo> has anyone here done an update from Jaunty to Karmic? ... and if so.. how did that go? ... any glitches?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  theres been people in here with issues.. and many with no issues..
[11:55] <ebb> could download from the torrent :)
[11:55] <delight> zetheroo: i did this twice on beta time already
[11:56] <ebb> im going for the torrent
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> ebb:  i tend to get the torrents  to get the cd's if i want them on release day. :) the speeds are amazing at that time.. but i wait on upgrading.
[11:56] <xevil> the only issue I had was the akonadi server crash...
[11:56] <zetheroo> is the final release up for torrenting ?
[11:56] <Lazy> zetheroo: i had issue with openoffice dependencies but otherwise there were no problems when i upgraded to beta
[11:57] <Lazy> zetheroo: i think the openoffice dependencies are now fixed
[11:57] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: so on release day the ISO downloads are better than now?
[11:57] <delight> zetheroo: one time it worked great the other time it crashed could not boot anymore.so i took my live cd booted mounted the old root made an chroot and run the rest of the installation with dpkg --configure -a
[11:57] <zetheroo> Lazy: ok ... desktop or laptop?
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  for torrents on release day. they are amazing fast.
[11:58] <Lazy> zetheroo: desktop
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  for 9.04 i was able to get the whole cd in about 10 min via torrent
[11:58] <zetheroo> delight: I see ..
[11:58] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: ok
[11:58] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: why not just download and install the rc and update it
[11:58] <zetheroo> Lazy: right
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  thats what i often do.. and all my machines are done that way now.. but i also get the torrents for the release. so i have the released isos to burn :)
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> and of course i help seed them :P
[11:59] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: normally i wait till after release day to download it
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> I got a usb flash drive with grub2 setup now where i can boot the iso files also.
[11:59] <eagles0513875> nice
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> within an hr or 2 of release.. the torrents will be very fast. :0
[12:00] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: seems like for not using my duel boot plasma nm seems to be working with wifi again O_o which is nice
[12:01] <ebb> Im gonna keep my torrent on =]
[12:01] <ebb> im at university so fast connection
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> They need to work out a way to torrent the updates :)
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> but i got an apt-cache-ng server on this lan. so i just got to get the updates once for the whole lan
[12:02] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: torrenting updates would be awesome
[12:02] <Lazy> Dr_Willis: there is package apt-p2p but that kinda sucks
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  its doable/ but if no one is shareing.. then it wont gain much :(
[12:03] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: I was using apt-cacher for a while and then apt-proxy as well ... it worked for a while and then flatlined
[12:03] <Lazy> it does not support ipv6 and there were some other annoying little things when i tried it with jaunty
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> using apt-cacher-ng right now
[12:03] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: what is the -ng bit?
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> on a 3 pc home lan - it works well
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> 'next generation'
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> i think :)
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-cacher-ng
[12:04] <zetheroo> ok
[12:04] <RamunasM> hello folks, I was trying to install 9.10, and it seems the installer is not showing my first hdd, I have 2. And it seems there's a bug about this, with status fix comitted, so what does that mean for me?
[12:04] <zetheroo> is there a gui for it yet/
[12:04] <zetheroo> ?
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> you dont need a gui for it. :) it has a web interface
[12:04] <om26er_> RamunasM, no its not
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> not that you do much with the interface...
[12:04] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: it does? ... is that a new thing ?
[12:04] <om26er_> RamunasM, i have two hard drives and they both are detected well
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  no idea. ive only started using it
[12:05] <pmatulis> RamunasM: bug #?
[12:05] <Lazy> !info apt-p2p
[12:05] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: oh ok ... sounds good  though ... i was having to set it all up in the terminal etc ...
[12:05] <RamunasM> my problem is the same: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1303071
[12:06] <RamunasM> its just that I tried 32bit build
[12:06] <om26er_> Dr_Willis, are you a real doctor or Ubuntu Doctor?
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  add one line to the apt system configs on the clients to point them to the server.. and thats about it.. :)  if i recall right
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis is a Witch Doctor.
[12:06] <eagles0513875> this is interesting has the default button to get to the list of installed kernels changed since jaunty from f2 to f12 O_o
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis puts the lime in the coconut and drinks it right up.
[12:06] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: gosh ... that's simple .... maybe i'll try to set it up again ...
[12:06] <Roey> hi
[12:07] <Roey> I'm having trouble booting... I get dumped to a busybox shell after the kernel claims it can't find /   (and this is off a stock install)
[12:07] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: is there a good how-to you can point me to
[12:07] <zetheroo> ?
[12:07] <Roey> of karmic
[12:07] <Roey> hey Dr_Willis!
[12:07] <eagles0513875> Roey: when you say install or waht ever make sure you try turn of acpi and all that some times that helps
[12:08] <Roey> acpi. ok.
[12:08] <Roey> acpi=off
[12:08] <Roey> in the linux boot line, right?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  i found some on google/forums - some of them are 'wrong' and want you to edit the source.list i think.. thats not needed.
[12:08] <eagles0513875> no hit f6 then hit space to toggle it off
[12:08] <Roey> ok.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=981085
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> apt-cacher-ng guide.
[12:08] <Roey> what does that have to do with the system not finding /   (acpi being off)
[12:09] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: oh ok ... thanks
[12:09] <RamunasM> pmatulis, om26er_  maybe its related to something like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/60868
[12:09] <RamunasM> as its shown on fdisk -l
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> I dident have to do the inscrtuctions at 2.2 on that guide. i recall
[12:09] <Roey> ah
[12:09] <Roey> netsplit.
[12:11] <Roey> Dr_Willis:  could you help me with this issue?  I have the output of 'blkid' and the contents of my grub.cfg in http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Roey:  and what are you trying to do?
[12:13] <Roey> Dr_Willis: boot.
[12:13] <Roey> I installed Karmic, and now I get dumped to a busybox/ash shell as the kernel panics because it cannot find /
[12:14] <coz_> Roey,  is this dropping to  initramfs?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> Ive never used any sort of raid setup. what drive is your / drive?  and wheres th boot stuff at?
[12:14] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: I am kinda stuck at step 2 - hehe
[12:15] <c_korn> will the release isos differ from these dailys ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:16] <IRConan> c_korn: only a little, you can download them and rsync up to the release I think
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  all i did I think was set up the cacher line/file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ pastebinit  01proxy
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f67bcc771
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> cat 01proxy
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3142";
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> On the 'server' then on the clients i changed localhost to be th eright ip#
[12:17] <gRnt> Hi all I have been following a tutorial here http://www.wtorrent-project.org/trac/wiki/DebianInstall to install wtorrent with rtorrent anyway everything has gone smoothly, Installed all the packages required, and everything till now has been fine, when I try and run rtorrent as suggested in the tutorial the terminal throws me the following error rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.11: cannot open shared o
[12:17] <Italian_Plumber1> I have a question about the torrents for karmic's install CDs.
[12:17] <eagles0513875> hey Dr_Willis question for ya has the button to pull up grub menul list changed from grub to grub 2
[12:18] <Italian_Plumber1> Grnt: I have rtorrent installed.  Did you compile it yourself?
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  what button? Ive never noticed a grub menu list..
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> I got my grub menu to always show.   i unhide it
[12:18] <eagles0513875> in janunty it used to be f2 to pull it up
[12:18] <eagles0513875> im running karmic in a vm and it seems it only happens when i hit f12
[12:18] <gRnt> Italian_Plumber1:  followed the tutorial in the link above to ensure I got it right so I guess so? Installed via subversion just changed the release numbers on libtorrent and rtorrent to suit current releases
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  i Thought one used the escape key. :) but i always make my grub menu unhidden.. so ive neer tried F12 or F2
[12:19] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: so you created that file 01proxy
[12:19] <Italian_Plumber1> ah... I installed it with "sudo apt-get install rtorrent"
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  yes
[12:19] <eagles0513875> ohhh wait it could be escape key
[12:19] <Italian_Plumber1> I don't do much self-compiling.
[12:19] <renatomefidf> anyone know if canonica uploaded the 9.10(final) and did not publish the link?
[12:19] <eagles0513875> but for some reason on my vmware fusion vm on osx it seems to be f12
[12:19] <zetheroo> and I would use the same line in my server machine? Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3142";
[12:19] <Roey> coz_: yes exactly
[12:20] <zetheroo>  Dr_Willis: ^^
[12:20] <eagles0513875> renatomefidf: nothing else is gonna be released till release day except for the RC which is out
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  installed the apt-cacher-ng on my main server. and used that file... and same file on every client. only chanbgd the  localhost
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  id think so.
[12:20] <Roey> coz_: it is dropping to initramfs
[12:20] <coz_> Roey,  ok  after it drops to initramfs  wait about 3 seconds then type   exit
[12:20] <Roey> ok
[12:20] <Roey> what's the rationale behind this?
[12:20] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: do i have to install the package on the clients as well?
[12:20] <eagles0513875> how do i unhide it Dr_Willis
[12:20] <Italian_Plumber1> and I use rtorrent on hardy....
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  No.
[12:20] <coz_> Roey,  it will boot  then you will have to edit  /etc/default/grub and insert   rootdelay=40 and I will upload an example of that
[12:21] <hernad> for example on launchpad I have found that one bug is resolved with eclipse 3.5.1 ubuntu7 but these packages doesn't exists on http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eclipse/
[12:21] <Roey> but it tells me "Gave up waiting for root device"
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   i edit the /etc/default/grub file and  set a delay to show th emenu
[12:21] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: ok ... so just create the file on the clients and change localhost to the server's IP
[12:21] <coz_> Roey,  try it again
[12:21] <Roey> coz_: so that means that  my system will delay in forty seconds booting up?
[12:21] <RamunasM> eagles0513875: is the 27th day build newer than the RC?
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[12:21] <coz_> Roey,  no not quite  I have to do the same here because of my scsi drives
[12:22] <eagles0513875> RamunasM: rc if im not mistaken is always a new daily build
[12:22] <Roey> coz_: I have a softraid1 btw
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  thats what i did. and about all i did i recall.. buti never use synaptic. so  not sure ifyou have to do what they suggest for synaptic.. OR if that guide is just a little old
[12:22] <eagles0513875> hernad: probably the other servers have or are in the process of getting mirrored
[12:22] <coz_> Roey,  ok that may be the issue  let me upload this file hold on
[12:22] <Roey> coz_:  thanks
[12:22] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: ok ... I'll give it a whirl ...
[12:22] <hernad> ten days ?
[12:22] <hernad> and which is the primary one ?
[12:23] <eagles0513875> the canonical ones setup the package manager to use the main server
[12:23] <c_korn> IRConan: fine, will do that.
[12:23] <eagles0513875> hernad: before you do that type apt-cache policy eclipse on the command line for me and pastebin the out put please
[12:23] <Italian_Plumber1> are torrents for the karmic install CD (final release) available now, or will they be "released" along with the direct downloads from the mirrors?
[12:23] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: they'll be released with the direct downloads
[12:23] <IRConan> they don't know the hash yet :P
[12:24] <Italian_Plumber1> well that's what I thought.
[12:24] <hernad> bringout@desk-c2:~$ sudo apt-cache policy eclipse
[12:24] <hernad> eclipse:
[12:24] <Italian_Plumber1> so if I go get the torrent now, I'm getting the beta version
[12:24] <hernad>   Instalirano:3.5.1-0ubuntu6
[12:24] <hernad>   Kandidat 3.5.1-0ubuntu6
[12:24] <hernad>   Verziona lista
[12:24] <hernad>  *** 3.5.1-0ubuntu6 0
[12:24] <hernad>         500 http://archive.sigma-com.net karmic/universe Packages
[12:24] <hernad>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[12:24] <hernad>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:24] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | hernad
[12:24] <hernad> but this is my mirrored
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hernad: run sudo apt-get update
[12:24] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: you could get the isos of the dailies and just get the changes by torrent on thursday
[12:24] <hernad> sorry
[12:24] <eagles0513875> then run apt-cache policy eclipse again and tell me if the version is the same or not
[12:25] <Italian_Plumber1> hmm good idea IRConan... I never thought of that...
[12:25] <coz_> Roey,  here is the screenshot   http://www.picpaste.com/Screenshot-grub__-etc-default__-_gedit.png   and here is the file   http://www.speedyshare.com/256548469.html
[12:25] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: saves server load on thursday which can only be a good thing
[12:25] <Cantcme> its wednesday 11:25pm here! hehe
[12:25] <eagles0513875> hernad: what sudo apt-get update does is updates the list of whats in the repositories
[12:25] <IRConan> Cantcme: don't expect a midnight release...
[12:25] <Cantcme> haha yeh i know :D
[12:25] <coz_> Roey,  make sure you have the quote marks properly places   then when you finish editing that file  open a terminal and run   sudo update-grub
[12:26] <Italian_Plumber1> but wouldn't bit torrent only retrieve the new bits of the file, and not "erase" the old bits?
[12:26] <hernad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/303539/
[12:26] <courpse> In desperate need of some help, :/
[12:26] <eagles0513875> hernad: run apt-cache policy eclipse again and let me know if its the same version or not
[12:26] <eagles0513875> courpse: just ask your question and if someone knows they will help you
[12:26] <courpse> I was upgrading to Karmic from Jaunty, 16 mins lef, my comp is frooze.
[12:27] <courpse> I can boot from a Jaunty live CD.
[12:27] <hernad> apt-cache policy is the same ubuntu6
[12:27] <IRConan> Cantcme: for one thing because you are the very first timezone for which it becomes the 29th... it'll probably be the 30th for you by the time they release
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: I'm having trouble downloading it (I get "protocol died unexpectedly" and I have trouble with wget as well)
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: can you put it up on pastebin.com?
[12:27] <hernad> it is expected
[12:27] <courpse> Is there anyway i can boot from liveCD, and apply a upgrade to the hdd?
[12:27] <coz_> Roey,  sure hold on
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: also, I'musing grub2
[12:27] <Cantcme> IRConan: yeh im expecting it to be the 30th here or close to
[12:27] <hernad> on every server i have looked up eclipse ubuntu6 is the last one
[12:28] <eagles0513875> hernad: if you want the latest and greatest then you could always install it from the eclipse.org website
[12:28] <coz_> Roey,  right this is for grub2  and here is the pastebin   http://pastebin.com/m36076440
[12:28] <courpse> Anyone?
[12:28] <Roey> coz_: thanks, one moment while I apply these
[12:28] <coz_> Roey,   so in terminal   sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[12:28] <Roey> ok
[12:28] <IRConan> hernad: eclipse distribution from the website is good... it's a java app so it doesn't even need installing really
[12:29] <Roey> coz_: oh..../etc/default/grub...ok
[12:29] <hernad> you don't get my point, my primary question question is: are there changes on karmic repositories in last 10 days
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,   then carefully place that   rootdelay=40 just as I have it
[12:29] <RamunasM> courpse: why would you want to do that?
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,  then save the file  and in the terminal    sudo update-grub
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,  then reboot and see if it is to your likeing
[12:29] <hernad> regarding eclipse, I have got ubuntu7 eclipse from launchpad manually downloading deb by deb
[12:29] <IRConan> hernad: there will be some...
[12:29] <courpse> RamunasM, To try and save my os.
[12:29] <joaopinto> hernad, yes there are
[12:30] <joaopinto> latest eclipse on karmic is 3.5.1+repack~1-0ubuntu1
[12:30] <Roey> coz_: ok
[12:30] <coz_> Roey,  let me know
[12:30] <hernad> and what  is in your sources.list ? which server ?
[12:30] <joaopinto> hernad, gb.archive.ubuntu.com, but this is not a recent change, so must servers should be updated at this time
[12:31] <Roey> coz_: two questions:  (1) is the vga= necessary (i.e. it was not in my line apparently), and (2) what does update-grub do?
[12:31] <RamunasM> courpse: if its not booting, I don't think its going to upgrade
[12:31] <IRConan> hernad: that's the one on packages.ubuntu.com definitive answer
[12:31] <om26er> the date here is 28th oct karmic will release tomorrow?
[12:31] <vega-> does eclipse in ubuntu nowadays have a real maintainer or did someone "just package it"  and that's it ... historically support has not been very good (no updates in many years)
[12:31] <om26er> or after 6  hours?
[12:31] <joaopinto> om26er, yes, but don't ask for the specific time, there is no time
[12:31] <courpse> RamunasM, So you think theres no chance of upgrading to a different source?
[12:31] <eagles0513875> vega-: check out the website
[12:31] <coz_> Roey,  if the vga is not there already then no I dont think it is necessary and the update-grub updates the grub.cgf file which is the file read for the grub menu  etc
[12:31] <vega-> eagles0513875: which web site?
[12:31] <eagles0513875> vega-: eclipse.org im using it in my java class
[12:31] <RamunasM> courpse: I'm no expert, so don't trust my word
[12:32] <courpse> RamunasM, I can get to a console, with no network.
[12:32] <joaopinto> vega-, there is specific maintainer on the Debian sence, there was smeone working on it hard to make sure it was updated on this release
[12:32] <vega-> eagles0513875: err, read my question...
[12:32] <courpse> Maybe download all packs from upgrade, then boot to that console, and install them from there.,
[12:32] <RamunasM> courpse: in that case, you could get the alternate install cd
[12:32] <om26er> joaopinto, this was the answer of my first question or second?
[12:32] <eagles0513875> ! info eclipse
[12:32] <vega-> joaopinto: hmm ok
[12:32] <eagles0513875> !info eclipse
[12:32] <RamunasM> courpse: and use it to try to upgrade I guess
[12:32] <joaopinto> om26er, there is no specific time for the release
[12:33] <courpse> I have no blank disks.
[12:33] <om26er> joaopinto, what's the time there
[12:33] <eagles0513875> karmic seems to have the latest version of eclipse
[12:33] <om26er> your time
[12:33] <Italian_Plumber1> hmm... that reminds me... I need to go get some
[12:33] <joaopinto> om26er, the time is not relevant for the release, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[12:33] <courpse> I'd waqit tell i had some, but i need some processes up and running 5 mins ago, :/
[12:33] <joaopinto> it will be out somewhere on the next 48h
[12:33] <RamunasM> courpse: you don't actually have to burn it, you can just mount the ISO from the terminal?
[12:33] <RamunasM> if you have a way to download the ISO to the machine that is
[12:34] <vega-> eagles0513875: yes, and my question was and still is "does it have a real, active maintainer in ubuntu", because if not, it's better to use the eclipse.org version directly
[12:34] <hernad> It seems my provider redirected all *.archive.ubuntu.com to it's local server !?
[12:34] <courpse> RamunasM, uhhuh!
[12:34] <courpse> RamunasM, Smart thinking!
[12:34] <eagles0513875> hernad: ouchie :(
[12:34] <courpse> I'll download it to hdd via liveCD.
[12:34] <Roey> coz_: can I pm you for a sec?
[12:35] <coz_> Roey,  sure
[12:35] <Roey> coz_: I ran update-grub and goit errors
[12:35] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: so ... sudo apt-get update worked on the client ... but sudo apt-get upgrade said there was nothing new to fetch ... and I know that the server is more updated than the client
[12:35] <eagles0513875> vega-: sry mis read that :( but you do alot like me if its an old version in the repos i usually go to the source site and either compile from source or package they have
[12:35] <hernad> yes it is :(
[12:35] <eagles0513875> zetheroo: you trying to upgrade from jaunty
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  no idea on that. I update/upgrade/dist-upgrade on every box basically the same
[12:35] <eagles0513875> !upgrade | zetheroo
[12:35] <zetheroo> eagles0513875: no .... thanks
[12:36] <eagles0513875> zetheroo: try instead of upgrade dist-upgrade
[12:36] <zetheroo> eagles0513875: I am not trying to upgrade to Karmic :)
[12:36] <vega-> eagles0513875: what i'm looking for it it has proper support nowadays in ubuntu, we have used the eclipse.org packages directly now for a few years but of course it would be better/easier to use the ubuntu-packaged ones
[12:37] <vega-> but if the support is as before, then best to use the eclipse.org version..
[12:37] <eagles0513875> vega-: i hear ya.
[12:37] <courpse> Is there a iso for karmic?
[12:37] <joaopinto> courpse, is not out yet
[12:37] <courpse> Crap.
[12:37] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what do i change to unhide grub menu cuz grub_time out is set to 10
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> several diffrent isos for 9.10  ;) but the final is not out yet.
[12:38] <courpse> I really need one, :/
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   You DID rerun 'update-grub' after changing the file?
[12:38] <RamunasM> courpse: I assume you want this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   pastebinit  /etc/default/grub
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f6f61e004
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> checkout mine.
[12:38] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: i didnt change anything seems like the time out default is 10
[12:38] <courpse> RamunasM, Again, your the man,
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  Not what what keys you are hitting to do what exactly then really..  I always see my grub menu for 10 sec with that config
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> unless its some other setting causien it to hide
[12:39] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: this time i hit esc on my vm on vbox then f12 on vmware fusion it seemss
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> perhaps the   #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[12:41] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what should i change that 2
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> I got it commented out. :) it has NO setting.. thus its NOT hidden.
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> that may of been what i changed to force it to unhide - i dont rember.
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> i edited it a few weeks back
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> compare my pastebin'd file to yours
[12:44] <domjohnson> hello
[12:46] <stsm> if i install  the 9.10 beta, will i be abel to update?
[12:46] <stsm> to the actual release
[12:46] <Pici> sure
[12:46] <Italian_Plumber1> how many daily builds are left before the final release?  One?  Two?  Is there a set time they normally come out?
[12:46] <stsm> ok so im guessing its best to install the beta at this point?
[12:46] <stsm> need to install a new system
[12:46] <zetheroo1> Dr_Willis: i think I know what i missed ... step 4 ... :)
[12:47] <zetheroo1> Dr_Willis: did you throw all that in your terminal as well?
[12:49] <joaopinto> Italian_Plumber1, unless there is a major issue the current daily should be final
[12:49] <zetheroo1> oops ... Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 192.168.1.100:3142.
[12:49] <joaopinto> this is the time for mirror propagation, not for fixes :P
[12:49] <zetheroo1> oh duh ...
[12:49] <zetheroo1> gosh its getting late ...
[12:49] <Italian_Plumber1> so chances are that the current torrent hash(es) will be the finals?  Very nice.
[12:50] <switchgirl> hi anyone having issues with streaming sound (trying to watch bbc news it shows the picture not the sound)
[12:50] <stsm> Italian_Plumber1: is your name Mario or Louigi maybe? :p
[12:50] <switchgirl> I'm in karmic
[12:50] <switchgirl> I tried rebooting
[12:50] <coz_> oooo  italian jokes?
[12:50] <eagles0513875> switchgirl: i have no audio what so ever
[12:51] <stsm> coz_: not disrespectful
[12:51] <Italian_Plumber1> no, David (handle comes from "My boss is an Italian Plumber", as a parody of "My boss is a Jewish carpenter")
[12:51] <eagles0513875> then again im duelbooting on a mac switchgirl
[12:51] <coz_> stsm,  ok   because I am one "big" italian lol
[12:51] <stsm> coz_: jsut made me think of mario bros on the old NES lol
[12:51] <coz_> stsm,   :)
[12:51] <Italian_Plumber1> well yes, the "Italian Plumber" is a reference to Mario, of Mario Brothers fame
[12:51] <coz_> stsm,  actually it was kind of clever :)
[12:52] <Dai> Italian_Plumber1: you're a sick man, stomping all over mushrooms and flying turtle-duck...  things.  you should be ashamed of yourself!
[12:52] <RamunasM> wish me luck, going to try installing again
[12:52] <RamunasM> :)
[12:52] <Dai> okay, not really, but meh.
[12:52] <stsm> lol
[12:52] <jussi01> !ot
[12:52] <Roey> Italian_Plumber1: score+1 :)
[12:53] <stsm> switchgirl: is that just flash or actual streaming?
[12:54] <stsm> my dog is one big italian too btw coz_ :p (around 90 kilos)
[12:54] <coz_> :)
[12:54] <gnomefreak> stsm: join #ubuntu-offtopic to continue non support topics
[12:56] <stsm> gnomefreak: ill just /ignore you and shutup :)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> stsm: ignoring me wont help any.
[12:59] <stsm> the part about me shutting up will help more then enough (im gonna do that from now)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[13:00] <zetheroo1> Dr_Willis: did the import and still nothing ...
[13:00] <RanDom33> something happenned to my wireless card, it no longer shows the "essids" in the drop down menu. The last thing that I did was assinged the interface a static ip address by editing /etc/network/interfaces . It was working just fine after /etc/init.d/networking restart, I wake up this morning and it will not work.
[13:01] <joaopinto> Ranakah, once you add the card to the interfaces, it will not be managed byt networkmanager
[13:01] <Ranakah> :D
[13:02] <Ranakah> sorry but Ranakah is not RanDom33
[13:02] <Ranakah> :D
[13:02] <RanDom33> joaopinto, can i set it up some way through that network manager with a static ip address?
[13:02] <Omar87> Hi all.
[13:03] <RanDom33> joaopinto, how can i reverse the damage I did?
[13:03] <joaopinto> RanDom33, you should, network manager allows to setup static ips
[13:03] <joaopinto> Ranakah, just remove the config from etc/network/interfaces
[13:03] <Omar87> I'm just wondering, why does Ubuntu only a partial upgrade only?
[13:03] <RanDom33> joaopinto, alright, one second, am going to delete the config file and then reboot.. correct?
[13:04] <Ranakah> :D
[13:04] <joaopinto> yup, restarting networkmanager should be sufficient
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo1:  i never did the import. i just let the things download as needed
[13:04] <joaopinto> Omar87, are you already running karmic ?
[13:04] <Omar87> joaopinto, yes.
[13:04] <joaopinto> Omar87, so that message is expected in certain upgrade stages
[13:05] <Omar87> joaopinto, and it's already working like magic with me. :)
[13:05] <Omar87> joaopinto, I see.
[13:06] <Omar87> joaopinto, thanks a lot. :)
[13:06] <joaopinto> yw :)
[13:08] <RanDom33> joaopinto, that worked, now i need to find someway to setup static ip address of 192.168.1.125 with that network manager.
[13:08] <RanDom33> joaopinto, i deleted that conf file i wrote
[13:08] <kklimonda> RanDom33, you can create custom connections in nm
[13:09] <CShadowRun> Uhh, this is really dumb...in 9.10 you can't bind the super key to open a menu
[13:09] <CShadowRun> It's treated like a modifier now so you can't bind it on it's own
[13:09] <CShadowRun> driving me nuts.
[13:10] <Pici> It is a modifier, and thats not really new behavior.
[13:10] <CShadowRun> well, windows seems to be able to handle it :P
[13:10] <CShadowRun> it worked in 9.04 apparently
[13:10] <RanDom33> kklimonda, im not showing an option for that... only "create new connection" which then asks for essid and key . no options for dhcp or static..etc
[13:10] <CShadowRun> (Windows has plenty of shortcuts using the windows key on it's own, through using it as a modifier)
[13:11] <Pici> (linux is not windows)
[13:11] <CShadowRun> no but you'd think that there would be no problem binding a damned key to do what it's supposed to :(
[13:11] <CShadowRun> been trying for like 6 hours now and it's frustrating me.
[13:12] <Pici> CShadowRun: You can file a bug if you think it should behave differently, but I think thats the intended operation.  I could be wrong of course.
[13:12] <wzssyqa> where have the Torrent of 910's dvd
[13:12] <RanDom33> kklimonda, is there a custom connection setting that im missing? so far I have not found one.
[13:12] <CShadowRun> No point, i have to ship this laptop out today, so i'll never get to make that work for the user
[13:12] <CShadowRun> Which is really annoying, baring in mind this laptop has a nice home symbol on the windows key, it's supposed to be used to show the home menu :(
[13:13] <om26er> i say rupert, karmic can't get more final than 20091028 cd
[13:13] <Pici> CShadowRun: You're shipping a computer to a customer with a pre-release version of an OS?
[13:14] <CShadowRun> Pici, to a family friend, and it's RC, with 1 day left to go. Theres no point in not doing it
[13:14] <CShadowRun> Also, the customer specifically wanted features that was only available in karmic.
[13:14] <CShadowRun> well, family friend not customer :P
[13:14] <RanDom33> I am not seeing an option to setup a custom connection in Karmic. I need to setup a static IP address. Am I missing something?
[13:15] <CShadowRun> Ranakah, right click on the network icon, edit connections, select the connection, edit.
[13:15] <CShadowRun> RanDom33, *
[13:15] <Pici> om26er: That is not correct. Please stop spreading false information.
[13:15] <RanDom33> CShadowRun, thank you
[13:15] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, have you considered wicd , it can be configured to use static IP
[13:15] <Jimmio> Alright... where did the decrypt file thing go? I need to decrypt my old files from 9.04. I have the public and private key.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | RanDom33
[13:16] <Ranakah> :D
[13:16] <Ranakah> omg :D
[13:17] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, add this to your sources.list 'deb http://apt.wicd.net karmic extras'
[13:17] <wzssyqa> ubottu: Torrent
[13:18] <Pici> wzssyqa: 9.10 is not released yet, so theres not a torrent available for it.
[13:18] <Jimmio> How do I get my old key back as my personal key..?
[13:18] <wzssyqa> Pici: o ,do you known where have an mirrors?
[13:18] <preecher> is updating 9.04 to 9.10 beta as good as waiting for tomorrow's release? i figure things will be bottlenecked with most dloading tomorrow
[13:18] <hipitihop> I discovered the following in dmesg is this a serious sata hdd issue ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/303552/
[13:19] <Pici> wzssyqa: The same mirrors that have the normal releases will have the karmic release when its ready.
[13:19] <Roey> HI
[13:19] <Roey> DO I NEED AN ALTERNATE CD if I a installing to an /existing/ raid setup?
[13:20] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, i will look into that as well... thank you
[13:20] <wzssyqa> Pici: what i means is mirror of dvd iso
[13:20] <Pici> preecher: It will, but keep in mind that there is limited support at the moment and there is always the possibility that a bug will be discovered. Also, some install bugs are still being ironed out.
[13:20] <RanDom33> I figured out the "address, netmask and gateway.. but how do i know what to put in the dns blank"
[13:20] <Pici> wzssyqa: If they have a mirror of the jaunty dvd iso, chances are they'll mirror the karmic one too.
[13:20] <RanDom33> DNS blank... and search domains..
[13:21] <wzssyqa> Pici: but i don't know
[13:21] <Pici> wzssyqa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[13:21] <stardust1985> Hi, I downloaded the karmic final i386 desktop iso and created bootable flash by Unetbootin from my provider's pool directory but when I tried to boot it failed with squashfs error. But netbook version worked well
[13:22] <wzssyqa> Pici: i am downloading from there.it is so slow
[13:22] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, is your router provided by your ISP ?
[13:22] <RamunasM> I'm back, installer still can't see one of my hdd's, though fdisk -l lists it just fine, any ideas?
[13:22] <stardust1985> 112 mirrors are synced :)
[13:22] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, the router isnt, the modem is
[13:23] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: you need to mount the partition
[13:23] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, if so let the modem auto set the dns
[13:23] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: where to?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: anywhere you like, as long as its not in /proc
[13:24] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, im going to try wicd, maybe it wont ask for the dns, network manager was requiring it in the blank
[13:24] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: most people make an empty folder in /media and use that
[13:24] <hipitihop> Is this a smartd problem ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/303552/
[13:24] <aubre> when's the earliest I can download the Karmic server iso?
[13:24] <domjohnson> Isn't Karmic server already here?
[13:25] <brianski> what apt mirrors should i use to upgrade to rc?
[13:26] <aubre> I just see the RC on the server
[13:26] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, I use opendns rather than the one my ISP uses , you can try that instead : first is 208.67.222.222 ,then second is 208.67.220.220
[13:26] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: the ones yu have now
[13:26] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: opendns ones then ;)
[13:26] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, thanks, i will add those to the fields.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, ok
[13:27] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: not helping it seems, I mounted in on /mnt/, installer still can't see it
[13:27] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: strange
[13:28] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: install dnsmasq and you can run your own DNS server, makes name resolutions way quicker
[13:28] <brianski> ActionParsnip2: if i do that i can only get a partial upgrade ?
[13:28] <brianski> s/jaunty/karmic/ i mean
[13:28] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: gotcha
[13:29] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: well the rc and the beta use the same repos
[13:29] <brianski> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic  ?
[13:29] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: could it be because I have swap partition on that HDD?
[13:29] <courpse> Where can i find a torrent for latest cdimage?
[13:30] <wzssyqa> Pici: i found one here http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-dvd-releases/releases/karmic/rc/
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip2, dnsmasq eh ..how does it work with an ISP provided router ?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: dont think so, unless you want to wipe the drive clean, then you'll have to use swapoff to deactivate the partition and you can then format it, you will need it unmounted to do this
[13:31] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: you set 127.0.0.1 as your first name server, if dnsmasq doesnt know, it will ask the web then learn the IP, next request it will already know the IP so will not need to query the web
[13:31] <wzssyqa> Pici: now 7times fast
[13:31] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, it authenticates then once it tries to establish its association it disconnects
[13:31] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: hm, so any other ideas? It works just fine when mounted, I mean I can browse it and etc.
[13:32] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, i put the ip addresses in the DNS1 and DNS2 blanks, do i need something in "DNS domain & Search domain"
[13:32] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: thats good but if you want to install to it, it needs to be unmounted.
[13:32] <domjohnson> Be back soon!
[13:34] <Jimmio> Hey all. Seems I didn't export my private key before installing Ubuntu 9.10... How do I decrypt my files?
[13:35] <Nukeador> Hi there
[13:35] <Nukeador> Which is the default font family in Ubuntu 9.10? I saw some screenshots and it looks better
[13:36] <RanDom33> i can connect to the router... it authenticates, but then it disconnects when it tries to associate
[13:36] <RamunasM> anyone lse have any ideas? The installer seems to see both hdd, but only shows partitions from the SATA one, not IDE
[13:37] <RamunasM> *else
[13:37] <RamunasM> hdd's
[13:39] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, do i need to put something in the "DNS domain blank.. and the Search domain blank"
[13:39] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, I don't but your situation is different
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip2, this is a bit beyond my scope now , can you help us with RanDom33 question.
[13:40] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, thank you
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm I hope hes not looking for the ide drive on /dev/hd## when it should be on /dev/sd##
[13:41] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, i am trying to setup a static ip address on my wireless interface. I have since setup wicd. I set ip to 192.168.1.125, netmask to 255.255.255.0
[13:42] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, set gateway to 192.168.1.1, and clicked "use global dns servers" no entries in dns domain or search domain, put 208.67.222.222 in the DNS1 blank, and 208.67.220.220 in the dns2 blank
[13:42] <ActionParsnip2> RanDom33: if you want static I, you can use /etc/network/interfaces
[13:42] <melter> if i started with the oldest ubuntu version i could find (4.10?) and kept doing dist upgrades, would i eventually have a fully updated and functional computer?
[13:43] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, that is what I had it setup as, however I wanted the ability to have drop down menu as well
[13:43] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, i just deleted my conf in there, and installed wicd
[13:43] <SwedeMike> melter: supposedly yes, but it wont be the same as doing a fresh install with the latest version.
[13:44] <melter> SwedeMike: it'd be an interesting experiment :)
[13:44] <jdu> melter: there would be some cruft and it would not include developments like grub, ext4
[13:44] <melter> interesting
[13:44] <joaopinto> it will be painful :P
[13:45] <jdu> melter: I did that between 6.08 and 8.04 on one computer, before I decided it was best just to keep a separate /home and reinstall over /
[13:52] <suris> hello, how i can enable dual screen? drivers was installed for both video cards by koala installation, but only one monitor shows in Display preferences.
[13:55] <ActionParsnip2> !dualhead
[13:55] <RamunasM> can anyone explain this: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png ?
[13:56] <fixxxermet> My desktop is 9.04.  I have a local apt-mirror mirroring 9.04 and 9.10 main, restricted, universe and multiverse.  Can I upgrade to 9.10 using my local mirror?
[13:56] <fixxxermet> Not mirroring src
[13:57] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: is there a refresh button in gparted?
[13:57] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: yup, tried it. The installer uses gparted I assume, and can't see the partitions either
[13:57] <RamunasM> so I'm stuck on this live cd
[13:58] <ikt> wru 9.10 party chan
[13:59] <om26er> fixxxermet, yes
[13:59] <Pici> ikt: #ubuntu-release-party
[13:59] <ikt> TY!
[13:59] <ikt> I have nfi why it doesn't show up in chan search
[13:59] <courpse> How do i execute a install disk from inside CLI?
[14:01] <suris2> !xorg
[14:01] <Guest56719> i see how to `officially` upgrade from 8.04 & 9.04, but I'm on 8.10 - how do i do that?
[14:02] <Pici> Guest56719: Upgrade to 9.04 first
[14:03] <Guest56719> Pici: I see, that seems a pain in the a*** - but hey
[14:03] <SandGorgon> i'm having frequent problems in Karmic of my external USB mouse locking up - dmesg doesnt show anything interesting. I did not have this problem in any distro since 8.04. Anyway of debugging this ?
[14:03] <kaddi> hi, I just noticed my sound in skype has vanished. How can I get it back?
[14:03] <RamunasM> anyone has any ideas why gparted doesn't want to see my partitions? Or a way to figure why its not seeing it?
[14:04] <RamunasM> hm, when I start gparted from terminal I get: "Can't have overlapping partitions."
[14:04] <bjsnider> here's a couple of gnome-shell observations:
[14:04] <RamunasM> any ideas what does that mean
[14:04] <bjsnider> windows never need to be minimized when you use gnome-shell
[14:05] <nitrofurano> hi there!
[14:05] <bjsnider> when you're in "overview mode", the screensaver is delayed, but immediately takes over when you return to viewing one desktop port
[14:06] <nitrofurano> i updated to Karmic, which seems to come with xsplash on boot - this is not bad, but it lacks configurability for people don't want it running
[14:06] <RamunasM> is there a way to install karmic without using gparted for partitioning?
[14:07] <nitrofurano> i renamed /usr/bin/xsplash to /usr/bin/xsplash_ - but i think i think i will get xsplash back again in the next update - how can i disable xplash from settings?
[14:07] <courpse> Hello, i need to know how to start an install for alternative CD iso in tty.
[14:13] <joaopinto> RamunasM, you can just create the partitions manually using fdisk/mkfs
[14:14] <courpse> Is there anyway of starting a update from tty* from a mounted iso?
[14:15] <RamunasM> courpse: I assume you need to add the cd to the sources.list and do dist-upgrade?
[14:15] <RamunasM> joaopinto: the partitions are already there, but gparted(and installer) just can't see them
[14:15] <joaopinto> RamunasM, can you list them with fdisk -l from the terminal ?
[14:16] <RamunasM> joaopinto: yup
[14:17] <joaopinto> so it's an installer bug, please make sure you report it at launchpad
[14:17] <courpse> Every time i try to do something, it says readonly file system.
[14:17] <RamunasM> joaopinto: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png
[14:17] <RamunasM> sure, got a link?
[14:18] <joaopinto> Ranakah, from the livecd: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:18] <joaopinto> assuming you have an internet connection
[14:18] <Ranakah> OMG
[14:18] <joaopinto> RamunasM, you might need the alternate cd, since that uses a different installer
[14:18] <Ranakah> :D
[14:19] <RamunasM> joaopinto: but this is weird, it works just fine if I use my SATA hdd, but this one is regular IDE
[14:20] <joaopinto> RamunasM, that is odd :\
[14:20] <RamunasM> indeed
[14:20] <joaopinto> actually it is more likely to be a bug on ligparted
[14:20] <joaopinto> ops, ibparted
[14:20] <joaopinto> erm lib
[14:21] <RamunasM> joaopinto: when I start gparted from terminal I get: "Can't have overlapping partitions."
[14:21] <RamunasM> joaopinto: so it could be something wrong at my side? But nothing changed since my last install
[14:21] <RamunasM> and I still have a working 8.10 setup on it
[14:21] <joaopinto> RamunasM, try the text mode: parted
[14:21] <joaopinto> sudo parted
[14:21] <joaopinto> list
[14:22] <courpse> RamunasM, I get erro saying read only file system, how do i get to a real bash tty, and now a maintaince shell that doesnt allow me to write files?
[14:22] <hikenboot> hello can anyone tell me if the ubuntu+1 alternatives cd contains the same quick boot features of the desktop version
[14:23] <joaopinto> hikenboot, the quick boot "feature" is the regular install, both desktop and alternate cds will provide that if you do a regular install
[14:23] <Omar87> Hi all.
[14:23] <kaddi> i'm trying to get skype to work on karmic.. it says: bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) all the time and skype does no longer record what I say
[14:23] <mzz> hikenboot: the installed system will be equivalent. I don't understand what "quick boot features" you want the installer itself to have.
[14:23] <joaopinto> kaddi, that error is not related to the problem per si, unless you are using a BT device
[14:23] <kaddi> I'm not...
[14:24] <joaopinto> kaddi, if you disabled the bluetooth service you need to apt-get purge bluez-alsa
[14:24] <RamunasM> joaopinto: I believe its not list, but print actually, and its says the same, overlapping partitions
[14:24] <hikenboot> sorry didnt mean the installer i meant after i install it on a raid/lvm setup and install the desktop will the desktop boot as quickly as if i had installed it with the desktop cd?
[14:24] <joaopinto> RamunasM, ok, so something is wrong with your partition config...
[14:24] <kaddi> joaopinto: what else could I try... I'm running it with padsp that gives me at least some sound, even though it's distorted
[14:24] <joaopinto> hikenboot, the results of installing from alternate or desktop are exactly the same
[14:25] <hikenboot> ok thanks joaopinto
[14:25] <joaopinto> kaddi, have you checked the sound settings, set the input device, and you see the level changing as you speak ?
[14:25] <joaopinto> I mean, the system sound settings, not skype
[14:25] <Omar87> I had this problem while trying to upgrade my 9.10 install: "Could not download the upgrades" and here are the details: http://pastebin.ca/1646500
[14:25] <cxo> How do you tell X not to load up when you boot up?
[14:25] <Omar87> What's the matter?
[14:25] <cxo> Like runlevel 3 on redhat?
[14:25] <cxo> network + multi-user + no gui
[14:26] <RamunasM> joaopinto: got any ideas? http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png I have a swap partition, Windows partition, 7gb root partition and 60gb for /home
[14:26] <RamunasM> is there anything obviously wrong with my setup
[14:27] <mzz> cxo: that's one thing that I'm not sure how to do in the new upstart-enabled world. I suspect you could mess around with the "start on" rules in /etc/init/gdm.conf though.
[14:28] <duffydack> RamunasM, isnt extended supposed to start at sda4 and all logical sda5+ afterwards?
[14:28] <duffydack> RamunasM, thats the only thing i see, tho i`m not nerd
[14:29] <kaddi> joaopinto: where do I check that. I only have something called "multimedia" in my systemsettings. I can set the different devices, but I see no place where I could see the input level of my mic
[14:29] <duffydack> RamunasM, ah yes, swap is overlapping your extended
[14:29] <RamunasM> duffydack: so I should remove swap?
[14:30] <joaopinto> duffydack, can't the swap be contained on the extended, like te other parts do ?
[14:31] <duffydack> RamunasM, id just redo it myself, sda1 linux /  then extended and fill with logicals.
[14:31] <duffydack> joaopinto, as I i`m not a nerd enough....no idea.
[14:31] <joaopinto> he has an extended wihc contains both the swap and /
[14:31] <dmatt> RamunasM: swap could be placed in extended, no problem
[14:31] <joaopinto> I am not sure that is invalid
[14:32] <joaopinto> RamunasM, even if you fix it you should file a bug report, and attach the fdisk output, it seems valid to me
[14:32] <RamunasM> joaopinto: / is sda1
[14:32] <dmatt> RamunasM: delete and recreate those partitions, sometjhing went wrong when you created it (what tool did you use for it, anyway?)
[14:33] <joaopinto> oh, so you have another linux part, /home ?
[14:33] <RamunasM> yes, the sda5 is /home
[14:33] <joaopinto> dmatt, I don't see anything wrong on that setup :)
[14:33] <ebb> is it just me or do other ppl keep refreshing the ubuntu hp ?
[14:33] <RamunasM> dmatt: I used gparted, when I installed 8.10
[14:33] <joaopinto> he has a primary /, and an extended containing /home and swap
[14:34] <duffydack> "extended" there is the extended part of the disk and I didnt think you could make primary partitions in in, only logical
[14:34] <thiebaude> ebb, what is hp?
[14:34] <ebb> homepage
[14:34] <joaopinto> duffydack, isn't swap a logical partition ?
[14:35] <joaopinto> i mean, it can be
[14:36] <mattgyver> Im already on an ext4 fs on 9.04, when i upgrade to 9.10 are there any other items (aside from grub2) that will not be setup during the upgrade process which I must do manually?
[14:36] <mercutio22> I can't interact with flash since the latest update. I mean... I can't play or pause, select videos etc
[14:36] <thiebaude> ebb, no problem here
[14:36] <dmatt> RamunasM, joaopinto sorry I made mistake, it is OK
[14:36] <ebb> oh i cant help refreshing every 5 mins
[14:36] <RamunasM> so, you see anything else wrong?
[14:36] <mercutio22> is there a fix already?
[14:36] <duffydack> joaopinto, well I dunno.. Ive always understood logicals start at #5 and #4 is the extended part they live in
[14:36] <joaopinto> mattgyver, nope, grub2 is the only corner case, afaik
[14:37] <duffydack> joaopinto, but Ive never tried to do anything complicated with partition setup.. just a basic / /home and swap
[14:37] <mattgyver> thanks joaopinto
[14:38] <duffydack> joaopinto, / primary (sda1) -extended- (sda4) and /home logical (sda5) swap (sda6)  for ex.
[14:39] <duffydack> joaopinto, /home and swap filling up extended
[14:39] <jpiche> i've been using karmic for a while, but recently re-installed with it, and now don't have a gui for services anymore. is there something I missed, or is anyone else seeing this?
[14:39] <duffydack> I try and keep things as simple for myself as posiible :)
[14:39] <dmatt> RamunasM: do you have old livecd for ubuntu 8.10, where you did partitioning - try if it steal recognises it correctly
[14:40] <dmatt> omg, steal =still
[14:40] <RamunasM> dmatt: I still have 8.10 installed
[14:40] <RamunasM> so I guess I could boot into it and check
[14:42] <RamunasM> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/462666
[14:42] <dmatt> Rajasun: if it works, then there is a change on side of gparted, if not than something is worng with actual partition data on disk
[14:42] <RamunasM> dmatt: wrong person, but yes ;]
[14:43] <dmatt> RamunasM: tab completion, you know...
[14:44] <RamunasM> okay, rebooting into my regular 8.10 setup
[14:44] <RamunasM> brb
[14:44] <Ubee> On the release date, will I receive a email asking me to upgrade to Karmic Koala from Jaunty Jackolobe?
[14:45] <Ubee> Will the upgrade be a multi-step process or can I upgrade easily in a few steps?
[14:46] <Pici> Ubee: It'll be as simple as going into the update-manager and clicking on a button, then you'll just need to wait for it to download and install the updates.
[14:46]  * mzz was going to reply "yes"
[14:47] <Ubee> I will not need to have a disc? It will update smoothly and quickly?
[14:47] <Pici> Ubee: As long as you have an internet connection.
[14:48] <Ubee> From your viewpoint, how will Karmic Koala be different from Jaunty Jackalobe?
[14:48] <joaopinto> it will be a long update :P
[14:48] <Ubee> a long update?
[14:49] <Ubee> jaopinto why?
[14:49] <Pici> The download will take a long time on release day since everyone is trying to get it at once.
[14:50] <Ubee> pici, I understand now. Will it be released at a certain time?
[14:50] <ebb> The torrent will be better download
[14:50] <Pici> Ubee: Nope, its out when its done.
[14:50] <RamunasM> it seems it my setup after all
[14:50] <RamunasM> gparted on 8.10 is not working either
[14:50] <cowgarden> hi, how comes my windows drive changed its name when i updated? (have to read in my music library again)
[14:51] <cowgarden> and does anyone know how to set the mouse speed/acceleration beyond limits?
[14:52] <cowgarden> (limits of the gui)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> RamunasM, download the GParted live cd iso and burn it , then you can partition at will outside the OS
[14:53] <mzz> cowgarden: the xinput commandline tool can probably do that
[14:53] <mzz> cowgarden: (although if you do it that way you have to arrange for that to run on login)
[14:53] <cowgarden> RamunasM, ubuntu live CD should have gparted too (that way you have a usefull live CD later on and did not waste the CD somehow)
[14:53] <dmatt> RamunasM: backup and create it from the scratch (you can have the same structure of patitions...)
[14:54] <cowgarden> mzz, ok, sounds possible :) does it replace the current settings or is that what is set by the gui, too?
[14:54] <RamunasM> good thing I have a TB drive on sata ;]
[14:54] <mzz> cowgarden: I'm not entirely sure how the new xinput properties and the old core mouse acceleration interact, or which the gui sets
[14:54] <BluesKaj> cowgarden, does iot have the latest GParted version , the one that can format a partition to ext4 ?
[14:55] <Scotchy> hi, why does karmic almost freeze when using swap ?
[14:55] <mzz> trick question! it doesn't
[14:55] <Scotchy> everything becomes sooo slow it isn't even possible to move the mouse correctly
[14:55] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, since the new ubuntu supports ext4 by default its gparted should do so too. however it might not be the latest version.
[14:55] <mzz> Scotchy: if you're doing a single task that needs more ram than you physically have it'll be really slow, but that isn't new
[14:56] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, but I'm no expert ;)
[14:57] <Flynsarmy> Anyone else experiencing the message received sound in pidgin getting screwed up in karmic?
[14:58] <jeansch> Hi, i have a question about ecryptfs: can 'root' user mount my crypted home directory without my passphrase ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> cowgarden, having a separateGParted live cd is very useful , no need to have whole OS on it
[14:59] <harikumar> when 9.10 is released, is it possible to change from beta without reinstalling the os?
[14:59] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, hm, maybe you are right, I'd just enjoy ubuntu *plus* gparted more
[14:59] <joaopinto> !final | harikumar
[14:59] <harikumar> how to get a console
[15:00] <joaopinto> harikumar, open a terminal ?
[15:00] <joaopinto> you can also go to the graphical update manager
[15:00] <joaopinto> System -> Admin -> Update manager
[15:00] <RamunasM> if you don't know how to open terminal, why are you running test versions?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> RamunasM, let's not get judgemental here.
[15:01] <RamunasM> will try, sorry :)
[15:01] <harikumar> okay...thanx....
[15:02] <Plugh> I think I've run across a minor bug with 9.10 beta. When I boot either my laptop or desktop that have Windows in partition 1 formatted to NTFS, the system always complains on system start that it can't find fsck.ntfs
[15:04] <jeansch> i have my answer, for thoses interested, the home can be automaticaly mount on login because pam use the password to unlock the ecryptfs passphrase
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Plugh, can you mount NTFS in Linux ?
[15:08] <Plugh> BluesKaj: Sure you can. I do it all the time.
[15:08] <mzz> sure, but ntfs-3g doesn't install a fsck.ntfs
[15:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm asking you if you can
[15:09] <Mandrew> how do i find computers on the network running OSX?
[15:09] <joaopinto> I had the same issue, there is no fsck.ntfs
[15:09] <mzz> I haven't seen that complaint though, and I do have an ntfs partition
[15:09] <mzz> is your ntfs listed in fstab or something?
[15:09] <joaopinto> mzz, it is , the problem is during mountall
[15:09] <mzz> ah, that makes sense, mine isn't
[15:10] <Flynsarmy> Why does amixer set 'Master' 75% unmute no longer work in karmic?
[15:10] <Plugh> BluesKaj: Yes. My system still mounts my windows partition on boot and I have no problem accessing the partition from Ubuntu
[15:10] <mzz> oh, do you have 0 for the 5th and 6th field in fstab for that partition?
[15:11] <Plugh> Blues, it is just complaining that the fsck.ntfs program isn't found
[15:11] <mzz> Flynsarmy: probably because pulse is controlling (resetting) the alsa volume
[15:13]  * BluesKaj wonders why would a file system check be necessary every bootup
[15:13] <Plugh> well... that would be another issue but its something that Fedora has done for a long time and it seems to be part of Ubuntu as well.
[15:13] <DonaldShimoda> hi anybody cannot use flashplayer?
[15:14] <bjsnider> flash works perfectly here
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> buttons or actions dont work in flashplayer for me, anybody else?
[15:14] <RomD> no problem here
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, ok...
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> s***
[15:14] <mzz> DonaldShimoda: heard someone else mention the same, but it mysteriously went away again
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> can please tell me wich version do you have installed?
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> mzz, ok thanks for the info
[15:15] <bjsnider> latest on x64
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> im on 64 bits btw
[15:15] <RomD> 10.0.32.18
[15:15] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda, what browser?
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, he, latest fro wich repo, i think mediubuntu repo is the problem
[15:15] <bjsnider> just dropped the plugin into /usr/lib/Mozilla/plugins
[15:15] <bjsnider> or whatever
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, firefox 3.5
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, i really prefer keep clean my install
[15:15] <bjsnider> medibuntu? what does that have to do with anything?
[15:15] <mzz> I should be running 10.0.32.18 (32 bits ubuntu) through flashplugin-installer
[15:16] <bjsnider> DonaldShimoda, just install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package and you'll be fine
[15:16] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, are you nervous? calm down, i think flash player download from medibuntu
[15:16] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, if i dont install it i dont have flasher... so ...
[15:16] <Plugh> DonaldShimoda: How free of 32 bit stuff is your install? I've tried to use 64-bit versions of a Linux system and usually ran in to a problem when I want to keep it 100% free of 32-bit packages
[15:17] <DonaldShimoda> Plugh, i dont install nothing 32 bits
[15:17]  * Dr_Willis laughs at the topic...
[15:18] <bjsnider> yes i'm nervous. jj arbams wants to kill me after i successfully lobbied paramount to stop making star trek movies
[15:18] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, lol
[15:18] <Plugh> DonaldShimoda: ok. Once I get the latest Ubuntu running fully on my machine in 32-bit I will try a 64 bit version of it later on.
[15:18] <RomD> does anyone know how I can run a script on startup? I tried adding "./scripts/autostart.sh" to the startup applications, but it doesn't seem to work.
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> ive been using 64bit ubuntu for some time now on 3 machunes. with very few issues
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> RomD:  what is the script supposed to do? You proberly want to use the FULL path not ./whatever/ for starters
[15:19] <DonaldShimoda> me too
[15:19] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda,  also install ia32-libs , otherwise you will have probs ...I run 64 bit karmic and flash and java work fine
[15:20] <Plugh> Dr_Willis: the usual problems I have are with flash, adobe reader, and real audio player programs not available for 64-bit.
[15:20] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, alreadyn installed
[15:20] <RomD> right Dr_Willis, I don't know why I added the dot there. should be "/scripts/autostart.sh". do I need to add "sh" in front of it?
[15:20] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, the toruble is flash dont get ANY click of my mouse! very weird...
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> I have had very few issues with flash, java, or adobe reader. -  and ive not needed realplayer in years. :)
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> RomD:  if the script is executable and starts with #!/bin/sh   No you wouldent need to
[15:21] <RomD> it is
[15:21] <RomD> I'll try thanks Dr_Willis
[15:21] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda, like bjsnider said install ubuntu-restricted-extras package as well
[15:21] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, already installed....
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> DonaldShimoda:  ive heard of that issue here lately also..   but not really experienced it.
[15:22] <om26er_> this song is dedicated to Karmic Koala  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBeAP8EZ9Lc
[15:22] <DonaldShimoda> the only thing dont working is clicks
[15:22] <DonaldShimoda> :(
[15:22] <BluesKaj> fancy nmouse ?
[15:22] <Plugh> Dr_Willis: It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Ubuntu has figured out how to do it right. I was totally impressed with how well (and how easily) it installed on my laptop. I mainly use real player for some Internet radio stations.
[15:23] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, good theory, but it work on the system
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> Only time i hear Realplayer mentioned these days  - is people trying to watch baseball it seems. :)
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> all the realplayer vidoes ive found/downloaded ive managed to play in vlc/mplayer
[15:24] <Plugh> I don't use real player for video
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Plugh, VLC handle internet radio very well too , better than all others so far that i've used ...haven't done realplayer tho...I have an aversion to it after my windows experiences "
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> Im actually suprised anyone still uses real player..
[15:26] <DonaldShimoda> amazing...
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> The company was such a 'big name' for so long.. now itss just a 'oh yea i rember them...'
[15:26] <DonaldShimoda> i cant see pflash animations... but dont have installed the package flashplayer-nonfree!
[15:27] <DonaldShimoda> so, i installed and work now!
[15:29] <sfears> i'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper & restricted drivers manager.   Will anyone try and help me find some info?  ndiswrapper & pcmcia drivers are installed but i still have nothing
[15:29] <kn100> is ubuntu one working yet?
[15:30] <legend2440> kn100: not for me
[15:30] <RomD> I can't edit startup application entries after adding them. I change something, hit save and it shows the updated entry. after closing and reopening the update is gone. can anyone confirm this?
[15:31] <kn100> the online part of it works perfectly
[15:31] <BluesKaj> RomD, did you click apply :)
[15:32] <RomD> BluesKaj: where?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> dunno, you on gnome ?
[15:32] <RomD> yes
[15:32] <RomD> I open the "startup applications preferences"
[15:33] <RomD> click edit on an entry, change it, click save, close the app, open it again and the changes are gone
[15:33] <Plugh> bbl
[15:33] <RomD> I have to remove the entry and add a new one to get it permanently saved
[15:35] <jpiche> anyone else missing a "Services" admin gui?
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> I dident notice there was one...
[15:35] <beniamino> i've just upgraded to karmic, and my root partition is not mounted during boot. i get dropped to a busybox shell. the error is 'gave up waiting for root device' but the device itself seems to be ok (/dev/sda1). the problem seems to be that theres no symlink in /dev/disks/by-uuid for the root partition. can i just create that symlink myself?
[15:35] <bjsnider> jpiche, that was removed
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Services are getting moved slowly to Upstart. some are still handled by the SYSV type system
[15:35] <bjsnider> that gui tool no longer applies
[15:35] <jpiche> i see
[15:36] <jpiche> so.... anyone know how to have apache2 not start by default then?
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> edit its /etc/init/whatever file - if its handled by upstart
[15:36] <jpiche> update-rc.d apache2 remove seems to fail, and a gui would be nice for that
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> update-rc.d is for the sysv system . not upstart
[15:37] <om26er_> Dr_Willis, you really don't rest man. i always see you here helping people. great job.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> one file in /etc/init  proberly handles it all
[15:37] <jpiche> ah, okay. thanks
[15:37] <bjsnider> om26er_, he's an android programmed by canonical
[15:37]  * Dr_Willis is just looking for a nice fembot to compile kernels with.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:38] <om26er_> talking about android. android 2.0 is out
[15:39] <legend2440> !cookie | Dr_Willis do bots eat cookies?
[15:39] <Pici> !botsnack
[15:39] <om26er_> how is ubottu speaking
[15:40] <om26er_> lol
[15:40] <bjsnider> ubottu is actually lisa lampanelli
[15:40] <bjsnider> she likes to hang around here
[15:43] <om26er_> nautilus should also show video previews in it
[15:43] <om26er_> karmic can release in 3 hours
[15:43] <om26er_> or 20 hours
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> see topic. every time someone aks.. it gets delayed a day
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:44] <Pici> !party
[15:45] <Pici> !party =~ s/Jaunty/Karmic/
[15:46] <legend2440> whats the next releases codename?  lumpy llama?
[15:46] <Pici> ...
[15:46] <Pici> !lucid
[15:47] <RamunasM> lucid will have lynx as a primary browser? :P
[15:49] <Out_Cold> lynx lol
[15:49] <Out_Cold> i actually prefer links over linx
[15:49] <Out_Cold> *lynx
[15:51] <Dr_Willis> dilo
[15:52] <chazco> Ubuntu 9.10 fixes many bugs for me (finally)... one more can be fixed by modifying an fdi file... can I submit the change anywhere so others can benefit?
[15:52] <chazco> Would prefer not the have to join launchpad if possible
[15:53] <Kazagistar> karmic has updated to the newest eclipse version, very cool... where exactly am I supposed to extract a plugin that is released in zip file format only?
[15:53] <kn100> chazco; what is the bug?
[15:53] <chazco> kn100 - The evtouch package causes a total system freeze with some touch screens. A bug exists but is marked as fixed...
[15:54] <kn100> chazco; what bug is this?
[15:54] <chazco> https://launchpad.net/bugs/368135
[15:55] <chazco> I'm going to try a full reinstall soon (probably on the final release) - i'll find out if it's been fixed using some other method then i guess
[15:56] <chazco> At any rate, aside from the poor login process 9.10 looks like a great upgrade :)
[15:56] <montamer> hi, how is ext4 support in Karmic?? .... Im planning to install a fresh copy of karmic ..... before i had to reinstall jaunty on ext3 from ext4 as i had very frequent crashes with jaunty on ext4
[15:57] <kn100> montamer; afaik the 'crash on empty bin' bug was fixed in jaunty so i suppose it probably carried over to karmic
[15:57] <tj83__> so after tomorrow, we gonna start talking about Lucid Lynx in here?
[15:57] <leaf-sheep> tj83__: You can find out tomorrow.
[15:58] <tj83__> lol leaf-sheep
[15:58] <ukev> hi, netzworkmanager-openvpn does not connect, anyone where it works in karmic?
[15:58] <beniamino> wow, karmic is the first ubuntu to really bork my system
[15:58] <montamer> @kn100 so is ext4 still problematic?? ....
[15:59] <kn100> montamer; well, I have been running ext4 for nearly a year now, and ever since that bug was fixed its been plain sailing
[15:59] <joaopinto> beniamino, and your question is ?
[15:59]  * tj83__ doesnt think he will stick with ext4 just yet. personal opinion, seen too many problems through and up to release
[16:00] <beniamino> joaopinto: my quesiton was above -- no-one answered it
[16:00] <leaf-sheep> Ubuntu is thrilling on the bleeding edge. If you fear problems, you should be using Hardy on ext3. Otherwise, take a leap of faith. ext4 works great for me.
[16:00] <beniamino> i've just upgraded to karmic, and my root partition is not mounted during boot. i get dropped to a busybox shell. the error is 'gave up waiting for root device' but the device itself seems to be ok (/dev/sda1). the problem seems to be that theres no symlink in /dev/disks/by-uuid for the root partition. can i just create that symlink myself?
[16:00] <ukev> I get this error when trying to connect  to a vpn: http://pastebin.ca/1646609
[16:02] <montamer> @kn100  k ... its time to move to ext4 then :) ... i hope i wont face any problems like in jaunty
[16:02] <kn100> montamer; good luck :D
[16:02] <joaopinto> beniamino, no, /dev is recreated by the kernel at each boot
[16:03] <bullgard4> Can I hope that Karmic final release will include SeaMonkey 2.0?  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0
[16:03] <beniamino> do you know why udev would fail to create a symlink for a particular partiion?
[16:06] <leaf-sheep> !info seamonkey karmic | bullgard4
[16:06] <bigbrovar>  on kubuntu ￼ karmic ￼ its either i make a skype call or listen to music i cant do both at the same time. Hope this is fixed b4 final release
[16:08] <leaf-sheep> bigbrovar: The final release is tomorrow. You only can hope... or you only can try and figure out how to fix the issue right now.
[16:08] <vega-> i have this prob in karmic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubiquity/+bug/408292 any ideas on how to fix it? /etc/default/console-setup is correct but still keyb layout resets to US
[16:08] <bullgard4> leaf-sheep:   hm. What information do you want to convey?
[16:09] <leaf-sheep> bullgard4: What do you mean? The version in Karmic is 1.1.17 for Seamonkey.
[16:09] <bullgard4> leaf-sheep: Thank you, sir.
[16:11] <RamunasM> this chan is better than TV, loads of action, no ads, and loads of new info :)
[16:11] <bigbrovar> leaf-sheep> that is really encouraging I mean why would anyone fcking release a software with this type of bug? is kubuntu really meant for the *average user*
[16:12] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, you understand that the problem is specific to skype, and you should be complaining to them instead, right ?
[16:12] <om26er> bigbrovar, do you think yourself as an average user?
[16:12] <om26er> bigbrovar, think your self as advance user man
[16:13] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> unfortunately its not just skype man .. vlc, amarok,gmpc flash videos, are affected ..
[16:13] <bigbrovar> u can only use one sound device at a time
[16:13] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, so please search for bug reports on launchpad, I am not aware of such a serious bug affecting Kubuntu in general
[16:13] <bigbrovar> its a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/447844
[16:14] <ripps> bigbrovar: I don't use kde, does it use pulseaudio?
[16:14] <beniamino> is there a channel where people who understand udev/the boot process in ubuntu hang out?
[16:14] <ripps> it sounds like your experiencing a limitation with alsa that was fixed with pulse
[16:14] <CShadowRun> Anyone here who knows how to use xmodmap?
[16:14] <bigbrovar> its a slap on kubuntu users that such a serious bug is confirmed, but unassigned and undecided
[16:15] <bigbrovar> ripps: kubuntu doesnt ship pulse audio
[16:15] <ripps> CShadowRun: have you tried `man xmodmap`?
[16:15] <CShadowRun> yea, and i've read tutorials, i can't figure out what file i'm supposed to edit to apply my changes, or even how to make said changes
[16:16] <CShadowRun> i've been going at it for about a day now and this laptop is going back to it's owner in an hour
[16:16] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, you may be right but this is not the proper place to address such concerns, this is a support channel ;)
[16:16] <CShadowRun> so if nobody can help me with it, it's not going to get fixed
[16:16] <RomD> ~/.Xmodmap
[16:16] <CShadowRun> blank file
[16:17] <RomD> yes it is, so you should add some lines
[16:17] <CShadowRun> ok
[16:17] <CShadowRun> so i need to bind keycode 133 to something that's actually usable
[16:17] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> yeah i was hoping that one here has a work around
[16:17] <RomD> keycode 133 = Escape
[16:17] <RomD> for example
[16:17] <yofel_> beniamino: what's your question? Maybe we can help. (Some of the devs are here too)
[16:18] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> might be better if a kubuntu+1 channel is created
[16:19] <drs305> CShadowRun: If you need to get the codes, run "xev" in a terminal. It will show the code for any key you type while the cursor is in the "xev" box.
[16:19] <RomD> CShadowRun: if it helps, here's my xmodmap file: http://pastebin.com/med11bb0
[16:19] <CShadowRun> yea, i have the keycode for the key from xev, it's 133
[16:19] <CShadowRun> i've done keycode 133 = Super_L
[16:19] <ripps> bigbrovar: there's nothing wrong with kubuntu, the problem is with alsa and your soundcard. This issue is well known and is why pulseaudio was created in the first place. kde used to use arts, but I'm pretty sure that pulseaudio works with kde4.
[16:19] <beniamino> yofel_: question was above :-( i upgraded to karmic, and now my root partition isn't recognised. i get dropped to busybox with 'gave up waiting for root device'. and when i look in /dev/disk/by-uuid, there is no symlink for the root drive. so it seems that the symlink is not being created. i can mount the root device within busybox, so it doesn't seem corrupt
[16:20] <CShadowRun> and then relogged, and loaded the xmodmap file
[16:20] <CShadowRun> but it's still not bindable in keyboard shortcuts
[16:20] <RomD> you have to to "clear Mod4" and then "add Mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L"
[16:20] <RomD> take a look at my file
[16:20] <CShadowRun> oh nice :)
[16:21] <RomD> if you change the modifiers you have to clean them, to the binding and add them again
[16:21] <amgarchIn9> what is the shortcut to minimize a window? Is there any?
[16:21] <RomD> to = do
[16:21] <joaopinto> beniamino, have you searched launchpad.net for bug reports ?
[16:21] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:21] <drs305> CShadowRun: If you just have one key to designate, you can put it in a script in Startup Applications. This is the line in my script:  xmodmap -e 'keycode 82=Tab'
[16:22] <courpse> Any ideas?
[16:22] <beniamino> joaopinto: yeah, there is a similar report here: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1785467.html
[16:22] <RomD> amgarchIn9: peferences -> keyboard shortcuts or use compiz
[16:22] <beniamino> but that solution doesn't work for me
[16:22] <bigbrovar> ripps> dude there is nothing wrong with my soundcard mate, its same i used on jaunty (which worked without a problem) (also i use a dell ubuntu with all open standard hardware) this bug was introduced by an update during the release cycle
[16:22] <joaopinto> beniamino, did you disable GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID ?
[16:23] <jmcantrell> are there any issues with using ext4 and luks?
[16:23] <RomD> I'm always getting 3 to 6 amixer zombies. does anyone know how to fix this? http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8701/amixer.jpg
[16:23] <joaopinto> ripps, no, the problem is not related with alsa at all, please read the bug report
[16:23] <bigbrovar> ripps> there is defo some things not right in kubuntu for this problem in the first place no point blaming my hardware
[16:23] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:23] <CShadowRun> RomD, i loaded your file, keycode 133 is still unbound
[16:24] <RomD> CShadowRun: that's strange, works fine for me. have you tried "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" ?
[16:24] <joaopinto> beniamino, if you are using GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID, the problem can't be UUID related
[16:24] <CShadowRun> yea, still unboundi
[16:24] <CShadowRun> i'll paste the output from xev
[16:24] <freenose> I installed lates RC, doesn't hal was deprecated?
[16:25] <beniamino> joaopinto: i think i didn't have the correct syntax for GRUB_DISABLE.. i just tried again with root=/dev/sda1 and GRUB_DISABLE...=true and now i have a login screent
[16:25] <yofel> freenose: yes, but there are still some things left (like X I think) that need it
[16:26] <CShadowRun> RomD http://pastebin.com/mf586919
[16:26] <freenose> yofel: ah ok
[16:26] <joaopinto> beniamino, great, still if you have the time search for a bug report on launchpad and try to follow it up, you have a work around, not a fix ;)
[16:26] <ripps> joaopinto: your talking about 447844? yeah, from what I can tell is that pulse isn't working so kde is falling back alsa-based xine backend.
[16:26] <beniamino> joaopinto: yeah, i will do
[16:26] <CShadowRun> RomD, that's with your .Xmodmap loaded
[16:27] <beniamino> for the moment, i'll edit grub's config but i will also follow up on the bug
[16:27] <beniamino> thanks
[16:27] <RomD> CShadowRun: your key is bound to iso_level3_shift which is alt_gr
[16:27] <joaopinto> ripps, PA is not used on kubuntu, by default
[16:27] <CShadowRun> i see
[16:28] <dmatt> bigbrovar: i had exactly the same problem with jaunty. fixed it by setting all outputs to PulseAudio
[16:28] <RomD> CShadowRun: what does your xmodmap look like
[16:28] <CShadowRun> it should be bound to Super_L
[16:28] <CShadowRun> exactly the same as yours, i copy pasted it.
[16:28] <RomD> umm, yeah that was supposed to be an example. my keys are totally different to yours
[16:28] <CShadowRun> oh right
[16:28]  * CShadowRun fixes
[16:29] <CShadowRun> i just need to leave add mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L i think
[16:29] <CShadowRun> because by default the key is bound to mod4
[16:29] <Anathema2> I've tried 9.04 on my laptop (Acer Travelmate 5530) but I had issues where my Atheros AR5B91 would lock up for up to a minute at a time, and minimising or maximising windows had a noticible delay too (Radeon Mobility 3400 HD), don't suppose anyone has experience of those pieces of hardware in Karmic? (I use W7 now but I *want* to like Linux)
[16:30] <bigbrovar> dmatt> pulse audio was one of the reason i left gnome in the first place.  like i said i never encountered this on jaunty .. sigh!
[16:31] <joaopinto> PA will get to KDE someday :P you need to go somewhere :P
[16:32] <ripps> joaopinto: alsa has limitation with most hardware where it can only play several streams, that's why esd, arts, jack, and pulse were created. I believe arts was removed in 9.04, so I don't know what you were using jaunty.
[16:32] <CShadowRun> RomD  my file now says clear Mod4, keycode 133 = Super_L, add Mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L
[16:32] <CShadowRun> no dice :(
[16:32] <joaopinto> ripps, erm, i don't have any problem, I was just clarifying bigbrovar's problem
[16:32] <Nukeador> hi there
[16:32] <mbeierl> Anathema2: try the livecd...
[16:33] <ripps> bigbrovar: alsa has limitation with most hardware where it can only play several streams, that's why esd, arts, jack, and pulse were created. I believe arts was removed in 9.04, so I don't know what you were using jaunty.
[16:33] <bigbrovar> ripps> joaopinto> that is what phonon is for mate
[16:33] <Nukeador> I'm getting low volume since I updated to karmic, and the new volume control said it's set to 100%, any ideas how to increase it?
[16:33] <Anathema2> mbeierl: well, there were no GPU related issues when I tried it for 9.04 :|
[16:34] <ripps> bigbrovar: phonon uses relies on a backend to play music. In this case, it's using alsa, when it should be using something else.
[16:34] <mbeierl> Anathema2: the livecd worked but the install behaved differently?
[16:34] <CShadowRun> aha, figured out what's going on here
[16:34] <ukev> I get this error when trying to connect  to a vpn: http://pastebin.ca/1646609
[16:34] <CShadowRun> I need a key that's spare, that's not a modifier key
[16:34] <CShadowRun> To bind to the home button on my laptop
[16:34] <Nukeador> I'm getting low volume since I updated to karmic, and the new volume control said it's set to 100%, any ideas how to increase it?
[16:34] <Anathema2> mbeierl: yes
[16:34] <CShadowRun> since gnome keyboard shortcuts is stupid and won't let you bind super on it's own to menu.
[16:34] <CShadowRun> :)
[16:35] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:36] <mbeierl> Nukeador: Right click on the volume control applet and go to preferences.  There's a slider that allows you to go higher then 100% at the top.  try that
[16:36] <bigbrovar> ripps> u know this is the very thing a user used not be bothered about .. i dont need a have a phd to get somethign as basic as sound to work right on my system. am not eveb talking about complete things here.. just ability to play sound mate
[16:36] <thopiekar> if a device that is listed in lsusb it doesn't mean that the kernel-module is loaded right?
[16:36] <mbeierl> Anathema2: I've heard that before.  where the livecd seems to do things that the install doesn't somehow...
[16:37] <thopiekar> I installed all kernel-modules-* packages except of -alsa and I can't find wlan networks in networkmanager with:
[16:37] <thopiekar> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 148f:2570 Ralink Technology, Corp. 802.11g WiFi
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ripps> my experience with PA on gnome has not been encouraging to say the least at least on kde skype works OOTB and as i said earlier i never had this issue on jaunty (and not even with kubuntu karmic beta)
[16:37] <ripps> bigbrovar: unfortunely, sound is one of the things that has been notorious problematic in most linux distrobutions. Pulse was designed to tie up some things, but alsa is just so damned buggy and inconsitent that it's a nightmare for developers to fix.
[16:38] <Nukeador> mbeierl, yes I tried that, it's all to the right.
[16:38] <CShadowRun> RomD i've got it rebinding, i just need a key to bind now that's unused on the keyboard :)
[16:38] <ripps> bigbrovar: things break in linux, we're trying to help, and it seems that someone filed a bug report, but unfortunetly this bug either only showed up recently or hadn't been reported until now.
[16:39] <CShadowRun> or maybe a way to bind it to a key combo, like super + D
[16:39] <Nukeador> mbeierl, I would like to control all the sliders like the previous volume manager
[16:39] <bigmack83_> i want to lock a user into their home folder, while being able to follow any links in the folder as well. is there a simple way to set this up? im not worried about command access, i dont mind them having access to normal commands
[16:39] <mbeierl> Nukeador: holy jumpin' man!  I just about had a heart attack.  I accidentally left mine turned up and got an audible notification of you having said my nick :)
[16:39] <Nukeador> haha
[16:39] <mbeierl> Nukeador: ya, I hear you.  I haven't found that applet yet...
[16:39] <Nukeador> :s
[16:40] <David-T> bigmack83_: 'locking' a user in to their home folder whilst letting them follow links out of their home folder, and running commands outside of their home folder doesn't seem to involve much "locking"
[16:40] <joaopinto> bigmack83_, you would need to use schroot or apparmor, however that would be extremely complex for a desktop setup
[16:40] <CShadowRun> Arrrrrgh, after all that, i got it working in xev.
[16:41] <CShadowRun> And, keyboard shortcuts doesn't notice the change.
[16:41] <joaopinto> you shouldn't be concerned about users running unpreviliged commands, unless you just want to provide a specific service, on that case you don't provide shell acess at all :)
[16:42] <bigmack83_> David-T, well i dont mind them having access to basic commands, but the links only go to a few of the web root files for their sites folders
[16:42] <bigmack83_> joaopinto, well its not for my desktop, it would be on a server installation
[16:43] <bigbrovar> ripps> its really just frustrating even the bug report dont seem to be getting much attention its one of anyone its still marked as undecided ..  its the pain many kubuntu users have to go thru .. wireless effed up, bluetooth effed up, now sound :(
[16:44] <ripps> bigbrovar: you can try some other kde channels, maybe they might know somehthing... try #kde
[16:44] <joaopinto> bigmack83_, check apparmor, you could setup an apparmored ssh profile
[16:45] <David-T> bigmack83_: there are options, but they are complicated.
[16:45] <David-T> and you need to know exactly what you're trying to get out of it...
[16:45] <courpse> No one had problems installing karmic with kernel install errors?
[16:46] <Nukeador> mbeierl, I have just installed gnome-alsa-control and was able to increase the Master F :D
[16:46] <bigbrovar> ripps> know them well there would send me back to (k)ubuntu but i will try
[16:46] <mbeierl> Nukeador: interesting...
[16:47] <mbeierl> Nukeador: what package provides that?
[16:47] <ripps> bigbrovar: sorry, I've told everything I know on the issue, Fedora uses pulse with their kde, the fact that ubuntu doesn't just confuses me.
[16:48] <Nukeador> mbeierl, i went to the software center and search for control under sound category
[16:48] <CShadowRun> Oh well, owner arrived to pick up that laptop, had to send it off with a non-working home key :(
[16:48] <bigmack83_> joaopinto David-T well the basic commands would mostly just be things like using git and other basic commands. they should be able to use commands related to managing a java server (resin) and other than that everything should be browser based.
[16:48] <mbeierl> Nukeador: interesting.  It does not show up in an aptitude search or cmd-not-found suggestion
[16:49] <Nukeador> mbeierl, let me search for the package name
[16:49] <Nukeador> mbeierl, gnome-alsamixer
[16:50] <mbeierl> ok, that's there, thanks
[16:50] <Nukeador> ;)
[16:50] <Nukeador> see you guys
[16:50] <q__> mzz, my sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[16:56] <bigbrovar> ripps> it shouldnt mate (its hard to to think ubuntu hate kde :( ) but thanks for helping out mate really appreciate
[16:56] <AzaTht> is it an feature or an bug that "dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=3GB count=1" creates an 2.1GB large file?
[17:01] <AzaTht> nah, later
[17:02] <q__> can anyone check if his sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed, too? (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[17:03] <q__> (might have happened due to the update to karmic)
[17:03] <XDevHald> Anyone know how to automatically set the nick on irssi upon startup without having to change it all the time?
[17:05] <sam007> can anyone tell me wheter the wlan chipset ralin rt2680 driver problem coressponded in Bug #339891 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/339891) is fixed with the new 9.10 release? it would be very nice to know
[17:06] <RamunasM> hey, I finally managed to install karmic, but now grub is telling me: Error 2
[17:06] <RamunasM> and there seems to be no menu.lst file
[17:06] <yofel> sam007: I've got a rt2860 in my EeePC 1000H and it works fine in Kubuntu Karmic
[17:06] <RamunasM> so what do I do with this new grub?
[17:07] <yofel> (with WPA2-PSK)
[17:07] <sam007> yofel thank you
[17:07] <yofel> !grub2 | RamunasM
[17:09] <RamunasM> yofel: got any suggestions how to fix error 2?
[17:10] <mesual> Is anyone else here having wireless problems with a RT2860 Ralink Wi-Fi card?
[17:10] <mesual> Such as unstable and slow connections or packet loss?
[17:11] <drs305> RamunasM:  Here is the community doc on Grub 2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:11] <drs305> RamunasM: There is a section on booting from the menu or from the grub2 rescue prompt.
[17:18] <david__> ingera
[17:19] <Wazzzaaa> Are there many diffs between the Karmic release candidate, and the official release?
[17:19] <Geb> An atheros wireless card in 9.10 should be using the ath5k driver, yes?
[17:19] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, yep
[17:20] <bjsnider> Geb, or ath9k if it's a wireless-n device
[17:20] <Wazzzaaa> patdk-lap: But when you install the latest updates tomorrow (on the RC) it is the same patdk-lap ?
[17:20] <Geb> My wireless card isn't working, and the ath5k driver is blacklisted.
[17:20] <q__> can anyone check if his sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed, too? (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[17:20] <RamunasM> sorry, I had to leave, so again, what do I do if after install I get grub error 2
[17:20] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, if you install the updates, yes
[17:20] <mesual> patdk-lap: What are the differences, then?
[17:20] <Wazzzaaa> ok, thnx
[17:21] <patdk-lap> mesual, heh? how would I know :) that is what a changelog is for :)
[17:21] <cdm10> Does anyone have Broadcom wireless in here?
[17:21] <bjsnider> there are very few differences between the rc and the final releases
[17:21] <mesual> patdk-lap: Surely the only difference is slightly updated packages?
[17:21] <bjsnider> Geb, blacklisted?
[17:21] <mesual> Slightly more bugs fixed.
[17:21] <patdk-lap> mesual, probably, I just seen package after package updated since I upgraded friday
[17:22] <cdm10> ...that's funny. Wireless wasn't working yesterday. Now it is. Never mind -- don't need help :)
[17:22] <Tohuw> I'm having an issue with my Toshiba e-Studio connected to my Ubuntu 9.10 system via IPP. Test pages print fine, but any job submitted goes through the queue, succeeding silently, but never actually submits to printer. I've verified this by checking logs on the printer itself via the Web interface. Any ideas?
[17:22] <Geb> I have a file blacklist-ath_pci.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ that just has the one entry for ath5k
[17:22] <RamunasM> !grub2
[17:22] <Geb> I didn't know whether it was supposed to be there
[17:23] <Tohuw> Geb: yes, the atheros pci module has been blacklisted intentionally
[17:24] <RamunasM> anyone? Why the grub is not working right out of the box anyway?
[17:24] <bjsnider> Geb, what happens if you manually modprobe ath5k?
[17:24] <musicalgenius> does this support ati radeon 7k?
[17:24] <Tohuw> !doesntwork | RamunasM
[17:24] <bjsnider> does what support it?
[17:25] <musicalgenius> ubuntu 9.10 lol
[17:25] <Tohuw> musicalgenius: have you tried using modelines?
[17:25] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, you have to use the radeon driver, but yes
[17:25] <musicalgenius> what are modelines?
[17:25] <RamunasM> Tohuw: I already wrote what's wrong, it throws me error 2
[17:25] <Tohuw> He's having an issue with refresh rates
[17:25] <Geb> bjsnider: the wireless card is detected and starts working
[17:25] <bjsnider> what a shock
[17:25] <Tohuw> !modeline | musicalgenius
[17:26] <musicalgenius> compiz seems to be working tho i think
[17:26] <RamunasM> update-grub tells me grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[17:26] <Tohuw> Geb: remove the blacklist then :) (or just comment it out)
[17:26] <bjsnider> RamunasM, did you upgrade or clean install?
[17:26] <RamunasM> bjsnider: clean install
[17:26] <RamunasM> reformatted whole hdd
[17:26] <dp> just installed Karmic, and now fonts within KDE specific apps are super tiny; seems to be related to DPI; any ideas where to start?
[17:26] <Geb> ok then, thanks
[17:27] <bjsnider> Tohuw, i don't think that would work
[17:27] <Tohuw> dp: nvidia or ati card?
[17:27] <dp> Tohuw: nvidia
[17:27] <Tohuw> bjsnider: why not? you can specify a refresh rate in a modeline
[17:27] <bjsnider> Tohuw, different problem. i mean the ath5k issue
[17:28] <Tohuw> bjsnider: oh, sorry!
[17:28] <Tohuw> bjsnider: same question then :)
[17:28] <bjsnider> i don't think it's really blacklisted
[17:28] <dp> wait... it suddenly stopped being an issue... wtf
[17:29] <Tohuw> dp: run kdesu nvidia-settings and hunt around, you may find what you're looking for. If not, check KDE's display settings, which I don't remember because I haven't used KDE for any length of time since 3.4
[17:29] <dp> Tohuw: but I'm running through xubuntu
[17:29] <bjsnider> nobody uses kde anymore
[17:30] <yofel> bjsnider: you don't seem to notice us ^^
[17:30] <yofel> *kde-users
[17:30] <musicalgenius> do i just run modeline stuff in terminal?
[17:30] <arand> Kubuntu seems rather uncommon at least...
[17:30] <Tohuw> dp: same steps then. you may need to actually install kde's settings controls, or just edit whatever files they edit
[17:31] <Tohuw> musicalgenius: it goes in your xorg.conf
[17:31] <bjsnider> well maybe people use kde through mandriva or opensuse
[17:31] <arand> But I've heard it said that for nice kde, kubuntu might not be the right thing to go for...
[17:31] <RamunasM> any other suggestions what to do with my grub problem?
[17:32] <Tohuw> I gave up on KDE when 4.0 was released officially with no resizable task bar, unreadable clock, misplaced widgets, buggy file manager, and extremely over-complicated settings for plasma
[17:33] <arand> RamunasM: Mind repeating the problem? (just got here)
[17:33] <bjsnider> Tohuw, other than that, it's perfect...
[17:33] <Tohuw> bjsnider: :)
[17:33] <RamunasM> arand: sure,I just installed karmic, rebooted, and instead of booting to my new system I got Grub Error 2
[17:33] <musicalgenius> wheres xorg.conf?
[17:33] <yofel> arand: the sticky issue that I have with kubuntu are the broken translations, but that's not a big problem for me
[17:33] <RamunasM> arand: now I'm on the live cd, any ideas how to fix it?
[17:34] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, if you need it you must create it
[17:34] <musicalgenius> in /etc/x11 right?
[17:34] <bjsnider> unwrong
[17:35] <bjsnider> arand, it can't find root, which might be the numbering problem (0,2 instead of 0,3 or whatever)
[17:35] <musicalgenius> so thats a yes?
[17:35] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, affirmative
[17:36] <RamunasM> bjsnider: is that related to my grub problem?
[17:36] <bjsnider> RamunasM, yes
[17:36] <arand> RamunasM: so what's the partition configuration?
[17:37] <arand> RamunasM: and did grub just install to mbr as per default?
[17:37] <RamunasM> arand: guess so, didn't change anything related to grub
[17:37] <RamunasM> arand: http://pastebin.com/d74975877
[17:38] <RamunasM> /dev/sdb1 is the one it should boot from
[17:39] <bjsnider> so that's 1,1 if i understand correctly
[17:40] <RamunasM> not 0,1?
[17:40] <bjsnider> what do you use the 1tb drive for?
[17:40] <RamunasM> I'm no good at grub, so excuse me
[17:40] <RamunasM> for storage, its not system related
[17:40] <bjsnider> 0,1 would be first drive, first partition
[17:40] <RamunasM> sdb1 is /, sdb5 is /home
[17:40] <bjsnider> you've got drive 2, partition 1
[17:41] <RamunasM> so, how do I tell that to grub/
[17:41] <bjsnider> first find out what it is trying to boot from now
[17:42] <RamunasM> bjsnider: hd(1,1)
[17:43] <arand> -bye
[17:43] <arand> -bye
[17:43] <RamunasM> on old grub, I would just push e, and edit the number, no idea what to do now
[17:43] <bjsnider> RamunasM, pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:43] <julien__> hi i added ppa but apt-get wont install from them :(
[17:44] <localnnuser__> RamunasM: sudo apt-get install grub -y && sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo apt-get clean
[17:44] <RamunasM> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/d6809bbdf
[17:45] <benste> hi, using empathy I always get this weird error: "There was an error receiving this message.  Either you and 250818008 have different encodings selected, or 250818008 has a buggy client.)"
[17:45] <julien__> any help?
[17:45] <benste> this causes that ä ü ö and some other german letters aren't displayed as sutch
[17:45] <joaopinto> benste, search launchpad for a bug report
[17:45] <joaopinto> or file one
[17:46] <bjsnider> RamunasM, pastebin your /etc/fstab file
[17:46] <joaopinto> empathy is not very stable yet
[17:46] <RamunasM> bjsnider: the one from the installed system, right.
[17:46] <RamunasM> ?
[17:46] <bjsnider> of course
[17:47] <RamunasM> http://pastebin.com/d480bc681
[17:48] <benste> joaopinto: just thought there would be someone who directly know about it
[17:49] <RamunasM> bjsnider: ^^^
[17:51] <mrwes> Jaunty boot time was pretty snappy -- anyone else noticing it has doubled with Karmic?
[17:52] <IndyGunFreak> is there a way to install a package, and all packages that are used to install the file, get downloaded as .deb files somewhere, so i can send them to someone w/o an internet connection?
[17:52] <mrwes> AptonCD
[17:52] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, forgot abut that.
[17:53] <RamunasM> bjsnider: so, got any thoughts?
[17:53] <Beastmode> some of u already got karmic?
[17:53] <mrwes> o/ I do Beastmode
[17:53] <RamunasM> Beastmode: I do, I just can't boot into it
[17:53] <RamunasM> :D
[17:53] <joaopinto> Beastmode, most of us here
[17:53] <Beastmode> sorry just reading some messages there that refer to boot time of karmic
[17:53] <mrwes> I always leech the RC before the frenzy begins
[17:53] <Beastmode> i thought it wasnt released though
[17:54] <Beastmode> i've only had linux for about 3 weeks
[17:54] <mrwes> Release Candidate it
[17:54] <mrwes> is*
[17:54] <joaopinto> Beastmode, it was not officcially released yet
[17:54] <bjsnider> RamunasM, i notice a difference in the drive/partition numbers
[17:54] <mrwes> well it certainly doesn't boot as fast as Jaunty -- will see if that is corrected
[17:54] <bjsnider> RamunasM, mine says 0,5
[17:55] <bjsnider> RamunasM, but i have root on the first partition of the first drive
[17:55] <RamunasM> weird
[17:55] <Beastmode> oh so is there any official documentation yet for karmic like there was for jaunty? that was great because i followed it to install jaunty. would be nice if there is one like that for Karmic
[17:55] <bjsnider> i wonder if yours would boot if your entry said 1,5
[17:55] <RamunasM> bjsnider: and how do I change it?
[17:56] <bjsnider> RamunasM, the files are in /etc/grub.d
[17:57] <RamunasM> bjsnider: and what do I do with those?
[17:57] <mrwes> hrmm...no fstab anymore aye?
[17:57] <vega-> Beastmode: you mean upgrade documentation?
[17:57] <bjsnider> RamunasM, it should actually find your root automatically. i wonder if your kernel is broken somehow
[17:58] <mrwes> oh there it is
[17:58] <vega-> speaking of fstab, is there a new place for putting nfs mounts in nowadays? i get some complaints on karmic that network is not available when they are in fstab
[17:58] <Beastmode> vega, just the normal official documentation page like there was for jaunty. Im just looking for anything to read about karmic
[17:58] <bjsnider> RamunasM, what happens if you run update-grub as root on the installed karmic?
[17:59] <vega-> Beastmode: that probably gets released when official release comes
[17:59] <Beastmode> vega: cool
[17:59] <RamunasM> bjsnider: I chrooted into it, if that is okay
[17:59] <RamunasM> bjsnider: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[17:59] <RamunasM> here's what it gives me
[18:00] <vega-> Beastmode: basic info about karmic is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[18:00] <Beastmode> in the meantime anybody know a better irc client than xchat? and also a better usenet reader than klibido? is there something like newsleecher for linux?
[18:00] <julien__> please i need help
[18:00] <Beastmode> thanks vega
[18:00] <RamunasM> julien__: just ask?
[18:00] <julien__> hi i added ppa but apt-get wont install from them :(
[18:01] <julien__> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ebox/1.3/ubuntu karmic main
[18:01] <bjsnider> RamunasM, what if you do grub-probe -t device /
[18:02] <mrwes> julien__, did you do a sudo apt-get update?
[18:02] <RamunasM> bjsnider: same thing
[18:02] <julien__> yes manytimes
[18:02] <bjsnider> RamunasM, p0astebin the contents of /boot/grub/device.map
[18:02] <unimatrix> is there an easy way to disable pulseaudio in karmic yet?
[18:03] <bjsnider> you'd have to remove it i suppose
[18:03] <unimatrix> how about just make alsa apps bypass it?
[18:03] <Beastmode> if i upgrade to 9.10, will my documents and files get deleted? Ill back them up anyways but just in case.
[18:03] <RamunasM> bjsnider: no such file
[18:04] <unimatrix> Beastmode, your files will stay untouched, however you will still be using ext3 and grub won't get upgraded either
[18:04] <bjsnider> RamunasM, run grub --device-map
[18:04] <bjsnider> probably as root
[18:04] <Beastmode> unimatrix, so installing from a cd would be the best for me then if i want the new features?
[18:04] <mesual> Beastmode: Your machine will stay fully operational, though.
[18:05] <unimatrix> Beastmode, yes
[18:05] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it complains that grub is not installed, should I try to apt-get it?
[18:05] <unimatrix> Beastmode, but in that case you definitely should backup your files
[18:05] <mesual> Beastmode: 99.99% of users won't get any extra utility from upgrading to GRUB2.
[18:05] <enyc> more likely a new problem from grub2 instead ;-)
[18:05]  * RamunasM hi5's enyc
[18:05] <unimatrix> i've noticed it loaded a lot faster
[18:05] <enyc> solong as you can boot, and update kernel, and boot,  i mean.. it doesn't matter
[18:06] <mesual> Beastmode: You might notice slightly better performance with ext4, though.
[18:06] <julien__> mrwes ??
[18:06]  * enyc lo4's RamunasM
[18:06] <Beastmode> what function is ext for? sorry i dont know anything about linux. Grub i believe is the boot manager which is not necessary for me as I only have ubuntu installed
[18:07] <bjsnider> RamunasM, no, i must be looking at outdated info
[18:07] <mesual> Beastmode: ext3 and ext4 are file systems.
[18:07] <mesual> Beastmode: Just like NTFS or FAT
[18:07] <Beastmode> aaah
[18:07] <Beastmode> ok
[18:08] <mesual> Beastmode: If GRUB1 works, don't worry about upgrading to GRUB2, especially if you're just using Ubuntu.
[18:08] <mesual> Beastmode: There won't be any benefits to you.
[18:09] <bjsnider> RamunasM, you really don't have a device.map file?
[18:09] <bjsnider> RamunasM, alright, make one
[18:09] <holstein> hey guys
[18:09] <unimatrix> so no way to bypass pulseaudio?
[18:09] <RamunasM> bjsnider: really
[18:09] <holstein> im running ubuntu studio karmic
[18:09] <Beastmode> mesual: but is that a option? because if i want to use ext4 then I have to install from cd which will install new grub.
[18:09] <holstein> im getting a Bus error
[18:09] <vega-> Beastmode: grub is used even if you only have linux
[18:09] <holstein> seems to be triggered by launching JAMin
[18:10] <bjsnider> Rami'll tell you what to put in it, but make a /boot/grub/device.map file
[18:10] <bjsnider> RamunasM,  ^^
[18:10] <Beastmode> vega: yea i notice the message when i start my laptop saying "Grub is loading"
[18:10] <Beastmode> thats how i figured it was a bootloader
[18:10] <julien__> man i use apt since 1995 never has this issue !
[18:10] <RamunasM> bjsnider: okay, ready
[18:11] <vega-> Beastmode: you can upgrade from ext3 -> ext4 but iirc that won't give you as much performance gain as installintg ext4 from scratch
[18:11] <julien__> any ideas?
[18:12] <bjsnider> RamunasM, http://pastebin.com/m71fbd566
[18:12] <bjsnider> RamunasM, afterwards, run update-grub again
[18:13] <Beastmode> i got no problem installing from scratch. I only use ubuntu because I want to learn. If i mess up. I can always pick your guys brains
[18:13] <RamunasM> bjsnider: same thing :/
[18:13] <bjsnider> Beastmode, that would hurt, and cause brain damage
[18:14] <Beastmode> lol
[18:15] <vega-> Beastmode: installing from scratch is no problem, especially if you have /home on a separate partition
[18:15] <vega-> Beastmode: which is very recommended
[18:15] <Beastmode> vega: oh i dont have that though
[18:15] <Beastmode> I only have 1 partition
[18:16] <Beastmode> i had followed one of the setup guides which didn't really reccomend partitioning
[18:16] <bjsnider> RamunasM, try grub-install
[18:17] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it wants a device parameter, should I give /dev/sdb?
[18:17] <RamunasM> bjsnider: oh well, still no go
[18:18] <RamunasM> bjsnider: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.
[18:18] <RamunasM> bjsnider: can I just get old grub or something?
[18:18] <adaran> is anyone else missing evolution? it was shown as "deprecated" software during the upgrade and now i can't reinstall it
[18:19] <bjsnider> RamunasM, you can reinstall from scratch again. it would be faster than this nonsense. obviously something got fouled up during your initial run
[18:19] <vega-> Beastmode: i understand that it's done so that newbies don't get confused but imho it should be the standard ..
[18:20] <vega-> i'd create a 10 GB / (leaving some room for future updates) and the rest for home, then all your user settings and files would be preserved on clean installs
[18:20] <Beastmode> vega: so you reccomend creating partitions then when i install karmic from a new cd?
[18:20] <vega-> yes
[18:20] <Beastmode> vega: I only have a 60gb hdd on my laptop (its 4 years old), how much would be good for /home?
[18:21] <RamunasM> bjsnider: okay, will do that now
[18:21] <Shikaku> Karmic has a semi-random critical bug, where sometimes (about 1/5th) X does not display at all as if the monitor was turned off, and the keyboard and power button do not work at all (I tried doing ctrl+alt+F1 and ctrl+alt+delete to do a restart but nothing happened) when booting up and resuming from hibernate.  This occurs when the login screen is supposed to appear, so it seems it could be...
[18:21] <Shikaku> ...an X issue or a gdm issue.
[18:22] <vega-> Beastmode:  oh and swap of course
[18:22] <yofel> Beastmode: home is where your user profile is at, so it should be rather large on a desktop
[18:22] <vega-> Beastmode: well everything that gets left over from the / (root) partition
[18:23] <Shikaku> I was wondering if this was a known issue, because this never happened to me with Jaunty and I freshed installed Karmic.
[18:23] <vega-> Beastmode: which would be something 50gb in your case, depends on how big you make /
[18:23] <drs305> RamunasM: I suggest you visit this site. It tells you how to install grub2 from the livecd, how to go back to grub, and a lot more.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2   Section 11.
[18:24] <Beastmode> aah ok. so 10gb for the install. I thought the /home was the install. thats why i was confused. thanks for clearing that out  yofel
[18:24] <Beastmode> yea 50 gb is fine for me
[18:24] <vega-> Beastmode: my / on 9.10 uses 3 gb
[18:24] <Beastmode> i only use the laptop for school
[18:24] <patdk-lap> mine is using 6gigs
[18:24] <vega-> so if you are tight on disk space then probably something like 5-6 for /
[18:25] <patdk-lap> I haven't had a / go >10g so :)
[18:25] <Beastmode> no no, 10 is no big deal.
[18:25] <vega-> hmm ok, so maybe more like 6-8
[18:25] <vega-> ok
[18:25] <Beastmode> i cant have 50 gigs of ppt presentations and .doc's
[18:25] <vega-> swap size (a partition in linux) depends on your ram size
[18:25] <patdk-lap> the only thing to watch for if / gets full, is to clean the apt cache
[18:25] <nicklas_> if i install the kubuntu 9.10 rc today, will it turn stable tomorrow, and become exactly like if i had installed it from scratch?
[18:25] <RamunasM> vega-: btw, do I really need swap partition?
[18:26] <RamunasM> I have 1.8gig of ram
[18:26] <patdk-lap> RamunasM, if you want to hibernate
[18:26] <RamunasM> I don't
[18:26] <vega-> RamunasM: well hibernate doesn't work without one for instance
[18:26] <patdk-lap> well, up to you then
[18:26] <Beastmode> ok im gonna put karmic on download
[18:26]  * patdk-lap can't hibernate :)
[18:26] <om26er> latest karmic cd yet http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091028.4/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[18:27] <Pici> om26er: so?
[18:27] <vega-> yep, won't probably differ a lot from final release
[18:27] <nicklas_> om26er: the 64 bit isnt released yet?
[18:27] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, same, hibernate doesn't work for me either.
[18:27] <Pici> None of them are released yet.
[18:27] <perscitus> BTW people. Karmic has a bootup time of 52 seconds.
[18:27] <om26er> and now the website says coming soon not one day left
[18:28] <patdk-lap> well, it does work
[18:28] <patdk-lap> but with a randomly encrypted swap, it doesn't
[18:28] <vega-> perscitus: fixed boot time? :) doesn't that depend on the system..
[18:28] <Pici> perscitus: First boot may be slow.
[18:28] <Beastmode> vega: ill probably wait till tommorrow so i dont have to run lots of updates right away
[18:28] <perscitus> Pici.->  More like about 6th time.
[18:28] <patdk-lap> perscitus, karmic boots for me in 92seconds, jaunty did it in 38 :)
[18:28] <vega-> Beastmode: you probably will get 1-2 updates, i'd recommend downloading today because servers will be stuck tomorrow
[18:28] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, are you in ubuntu+1?
[18:29] <Beastmode> oh
[18:29] <Berzerker-> oh wait this is ubuntu+1
[18:29] <Berzerker-> lulz nvm
[18:29] <Beastmode> i usually grab from usenet
[18:29] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, how do I tell if my swap is randomly encrypted
[18:29] <om26er> Beastmode, download the final build that is gonna release in some upcoming hours
[18:29] <patdk-lap> I did a crapload of customizing, and got karmic down to 60seconds
[18:29] <patdk-lap> berzerker, look in /etc/crypttab
[18:29] <Pici> Last time I checked my boot was about 20 seconds.
[18:29] <perscitus> Pici.->  and I started countdown from Grub Loading...[stopped when screen loaded] Restarted when pressed enter. [stopped at login load] Restarted at Enter from login
[18:30] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, what about it
[18:30] <patdk-lap> well, is your swap listed in there?
[18:30] <Berzerker-> no
[18:30] <Berzerker-> just a line with # <target name>
[18:30] <patdk-lap> then it's not
[18:30] <Berzerker-> but my hibernate still doesn't work lol
[18:30] <q__> karmic does not feel faster for me either
[18:30] <perscitus> Pici.->  And I did 1 One-Thousand count.
[18:30] <Pici> perscitus: I used bootchart
[18:30] <holstein> hey there folks... im getting 'Bus error' when JAMin crashes in ubuntu studio
[18:31] <om26er> people does speed really matter. when you get best of linux out of ubuntu
[18:31] <perscitus> q__.->  i'm with you on that. It's the same
[18:31] <patdk-lap> berzerker, you probably have a messed up /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file
[18:31] <om26er> **boot spped
[18:31] <patdk-lap> om26er, when I boot my laptop 6+ times a day, yes
[18:31] <Beastmode> om26er: ok
[18:31] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it seems the setup tried to install grub to hd(0,0) by default, now I set it to /dev/sdb, is that a good idea?
[18:32] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, how do I fix it?
[18:32] <perscitus> om26er.->  For me, yeah. Comparing boot time to Windows.
[18:32] <om26er> patdk-lap, does it take an hour to start?
[18:32] <patdk-lap> om26er, 92seconds :)
[18:32] <patdk-lap> jaunty was 38
[18:32] <om26er> perscitus, and now from where windows come in here.
[18:32] <yofel> patdk-lap: use !bootchart to find out why
[18:32] <perscitus> patdk-lap.-> How fast from Hibernate?
[18:32] <patdk-lap> berzerker, make sure, RESUME=(your swap drive here)
[18:32] <patdk-lap> yofel, I did
[18:33] <om26er> yofel, boot chart?
[18:33] <patdk-lap> sreadahead was useless, switched to readahead-list and got it down to 60seconds
[18:33] <om26er> yofel, where can i get it
[18:33] <q__> om26er, for me karmic does bring nothing good :) (appart form the new audio mixer perhaps, but I had trouble with my soundcard first)
[18:33] <perscitus> om26er.->  huh?
[18:33] <yofel> !bootchart | om26er
[18:33] <RamunasM> !bootchart
[18:33] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I have RESUME-UUID=
[18:33] <patdk-lap> well, make sure the UUID is correct
[18:33] <Beastmode> ill probably try out some new apps befroe i do clean install again for karmic
[18:33] <Berzerker-> and a long sequence hex number
[18:33] <perscitus> Does bootchartr count grub load?
[18:33] <Berzerker-> how do I tell what the swap hex number is
[18:33] <Beastmode> anyone got any reccomendations for better irc client than xchat?
[18:33] <patdk-lap> look in /dev/disk/by-uuid to verify
[18:34] <RamunasM> Beastmode: irssi
[18:34] <Shikaku> chatzilla in firefox?  :S
[18:34] <Beastmode> ok Ramunas
[18:34] <dAlfa89_> Can you enable logging with Irssi?
[18:34] <q__> perscitus, no
[18:34] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Whats wrong with it
[18:34] <RamunasM> dAlfa89_: sure
[18:34] <Beastmode> anything for a usenet reader like newsleecher? sorry osalt doesnt ahve this listed. I use klibido and it always crashes. Pan is not bad though
[18:35] <perscitus> q__.-> if bootchart doesnt count grub load then it's not accurate
[18:35] <Beastmode> perscitus: i cant see who the ops are
[18:35] <Lain_13> hi there, I'm using beta version of karmic and have 1 problem right now
[18:35] <Polarina> When will 9.10 be released? Don't say tomorrow, I'd like to know when tomorrow (or how many hours left).
[18:35] <Berzerker-> no one knows
[18:35] <Beastmode> perscitus: also there is no time tags on messages
[18:35] <Pici> Polarina: When its done.
[18:35] <Polarina> :-(
[18:35] <q__> perscitus, its accurate for the time from grub to login, there is no other way for software
[18:35] <Pici> Polarina, Karmic will be released some time during the 29th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:35] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  there are no ops highlighted now.
[18:35] <Lain_13> I want to reinstall whole xorg server because I partially broke it using xorg-edgers repo
[18:35] <furuno> it's 1:35 A.M. here (GMT+7) and I'm still *patiently* waiting
[18:36] <Lain_13> yep, it was stupid idea )
[18:36] <furuno> especially after I've clean install my boot drive with 7
[18:36] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I have 2, how do I know which one
[18:36] <om26er> furuno, where do you live?
[18:36] <Polarina> Pici: What's the first possible time? Sometime now? After midnight UTC?
[18:36] <nicklas_> this is hard, i want to wait til tomorrow, just to be sure, but i still i wanna install today
[18:36] <Beastmode> Perscitus: found time stamps, lol thats my fault for not looking
[18:36] <patdk-lap> berzerker your swap one, swapon -s
[18:36] <om26er> here its 12.35A.M
[18:36] <Pici> Polarina: Anytime when its still the 29th somewhere on earth.
[18:36] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Chanserv has green dot next to it in user list. thats in op mode.
[18:36] <Lain_13> on this moment I've removed this source of packages and all cached packages
[18:36] <om26er> furuno, india?
[18:36] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, they're just numbers, how do I know which UUID my swap is?
[18:37] <patdk-lap> ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:37] <Polarina> Pici: Ok.
[18:37] <patdk-lap> swapon -s
[18:37] <nicklas_> this is hard, i want to wait til tomorrow, just to be sure, but i still i wanna install today
[18:37] <perscitus> Berzerker.->  Better.... use command sudo blkid
[18:37] <Lain_13> but when I try to execute: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core
[18:37] <abb> Yay, I finally got virtualbox+windows7 working with my weird "Windows-only-USB-Device-de-Jure" so goooodbye dual boot!  Hello extra 20gigs of HDD space...lol
[18:37] <patdk-lap> or that, never used blkid :)
[18:37] <Lain_13> it shows: Reinstallation of xserver-xorg-core is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[18:37] <Beastmode> perscitus: what about +v's?
[18:38] <perscitus> Berzerker.->  try mine. it's better
[18:38] <Berzerker-> wow I don't even have swap listed
[18:38] <RomD> I want to report a bug. could anyone confirm it before I do the reporting? open "startup applications", uncheck any entry, close the dialog, open it again. the change you made wasn't saved.
[18:38] <Lain_13> how to resolve this problem?
[18:38] <patdk-lap> berzerker are you using a swap file? instead of partition? hibernat only works on partitions
[18:38] <RamunasM> abb: got multicore cpu?
[18:38] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Voice is yellow
[18:38] <yofel> RomD: gnome, kde or xfce?
[18:38] <RomD> gnome
[18:38] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I had ubuntu automatically configure the partitions, and I used to have swap, my hibernate used to work, stopped working after a daily build update.
[18:39] <RomD> gnome-settings-properties
[18:39] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  ever try blkid?
[18:39] <Beastmode> perscitus: ok
[18:39] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, swapon-s lists nothing
[18:39] <Berzerker-> swapon -s*
[18:39] <RomD> sorry I meant gnome-session-properties
[18:39] <patdk-lap> perscitus, never needed to :)
[18:39] <Beastmode> perscitus: anyway to get the +v or @ to appear when users type messages?
[18:39] <Berzerker-> FK
[18:39] <flan_suse> I cannot seem to find out if the Ubuntu 9.10 alternate installation disc will allow you to install Ubuntu to an encrypted root (/) partition.
[18:39] <Berzerker-> afk*
[18:39] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  better then  -ls /devdisk
[18:40] <patdk-lap> ls is always installed though :)
[18:40] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  so is blkid
[18:40] <flan_suse> Will this option be available for Ubuntu 9.10 alternate install? (Encrypted root partition.)
[18:40] <RomD> yofel: anything? or do have have a different desktop environment?
[18:41] <yofel> RomD: I use Kde, sry
[18:41] <RomD> ok
[18:41] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  try it
[18:42] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  blkid,  though requires sudo,  shows you sda, uuid,  fs type, and label in neat format
[18:42] <om26er> downloading release torrent is the only way that we don't put load on the servers and made them mad.
[18:43] <tgpraveen> bug  #419143
[18:43] <perscitus> RomD.->  This channel is  Kubuntu and ubuntu RC support.
[18:43] <RomD> perscitus: this is happening in karmic rc
[18:44] <Lain_13> ok, I will ask my question in other way: why xserver-xorg marked in synaptic by ubuntu logo and xserver-xorg-core isn't marked by this logo?
[18:44] <Pici> Any-official-buntu RC support.
[18:44] <Lain_13> and resolved as installed locally x(
[18:46] <RamunasM> the install is done
[18:46] <RamunasM> wish me luck, going to try and boot into my new system
[18:46] <RamunasM> :)
[18:46] <domjohnson> back
[18:46] <domjohnson> ok, RamunasM
[18:46] <domjohnson> Good luck!
[18:47] <domjohnson> hello Myxb!
[18:49] <perscitus> Wicked cool. i can remove bluetooth packages more easily now.
[18:49] <q__> my bootchart makes broken pngs (0byte)... might be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcj-4.4/+bug/455017 but svg does not seem to work for me either
[18:51] <perscitus> How do i switch compiz to emerald?
[18:52] <darthanubis> perscitus, need to learn what compiz is first
[18:53] <darthanubis> !emerald
[18:53] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  I know what is
[18:53] <holstein> hello... any ideas what 'Bus error could mean when JAMin crashes??
[18:53] <darthanubis> well then you'd know you don't SWITCH compiz to emerald
[18:54] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  welcome to ignore for being rude.
[18:54] <darthanubis> holstein, only what google would tell me
[18:54] <darthanubis> perscitus, thx, it is an honor
[18:54] <JackD> hehe
[18:55] <vega-> perscitus: how could you switch from c -> e if e is just an addon/part of compiz? ie. emerald NEEDS compiz ..
[18:55] <vega-> what's rude about stating that?
[18:55] <darthanubis> vega-, he does not want to hear that
[18:55] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  BTW, i know emerald just does the title bars.  therefore. the question was correct
[18:56] <darthanubis> the question was NEVER correct
[18:56] <darthanubis> but please, continue to wallow in ignorance
[18:56] <perscitus> vega-.->  The question is How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[18:57] <joaopinto> perscitus, you already got the answer :)
[18:57] <balor> On an Eeepc "Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E" my wireless hasn't worked since 2.6.31-12. What to modprobe?
[18:58] <om26er> this page was just updating http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:58] <om26er> Archive-Update-in-Progress-gallium.canonical.com
[18:58] <perscitus> How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[18:58] <darthanubis> lol
[18:59] <Pici> Emerald is not longer supported.
[18:59] <dsyncd> Question:  I'm attempting installing 9.10 rc.  When I reach the partitioning section (I clicked on manually partition), I don't see all my hard drives.  In gparted and disk utility, I can see them all fine.  Is this a known issue?
[18:59] <om26er> karmic koala is releasing in next 15min and i can challenge that
[18:59] <Pici> !emerald | perscitus
[19:00] <perscitus> How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[19:00] <tonyyarusso> om26er: Pages will update all the time, but it's not ready until it's announced.
[19:00] <tonyyarusso> (And claiming otherwise won't be allowed)
[19:00] <darthanubis> !repeat | perscitus
[19:00] <perscitus> The next person who calls !emerald i will call ops.
[19:01] <darthanubis> lol
[19:01] <Pici> perscitus: And why would you do that?
[19:01] <om26er> http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com//
[19:01] <perscitus> Pici.->  its not the answer
[19:01] <darthanubis> good luck with that, if you bothered to look there are no OPS here
[19:01] <duffydack> perscitus, I use fusion-icon
[19:01] <q__> can i force bootchart to use sun java instead of gij?
[19:01] <Pici> darthanubis: Ops dont op-up until needed.
[19:02] <JackD> darthanubis: Chanserv can be used
[19:02] <Polarina> om26er: That file is set to 0.
[19:02] <Pici> om26er: This is your last warning. You've been asked numerous times to stop already.
[19:02] <darthanubis> Pici, I've been around long time, I know this. He does not.
[19:03] <perscitus> Pici.->  I don't care if some other op thinks emerald is obsolete. So is metacity. so is Gnome if you really get down to it. !emerald is matter of personal opinion.
[19:03] <holstein> thank darthanubis... would you mind sharing what you found on google with me relating to karmic, JAMin, and 'BUs error'
[19:04] <Pici> perscitus: No, thats the developer perspective on that application.
[19:04] <darthanubis> holstein, sorry buddy, I have not done the search for you yet...
[19:04] <darthanubis> Pici, I envy your charitable spirit
[19:05] <om26er> Pici, ok kick me .
[19:06] <darthanubis> om26er, why troll to begin with?
[19:06] <Pici> om26er: I'd rather not have to.
[19:06] <perscitus> Pici.->  and yet i dont care
[19:07] <darthanubis> perscitus, so your a troll?
[19:07] <darthanubis> that explains it
[19:09] <bobdylan> i cannot find the different between UNR and Ubuntu moblin :(
[19:10] <Tohuw> Howdy. I'm having a CUPS issue with  a Toshiba eStudio 520 (using Toshiba's driver). I can connect to it through its self-hosted SMB share or IPP, but either way I have the same problem: anything I print passes the queue successfully but doesn't actually hit the printer. The logs on the printer do not show the job was ever received. Other (Windows) computers can print to it just fine. I used to be able to, but ever since a tech came out and worked on it, I hav
[19:10] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu netbook remix is desighned and developed by canonical
[19:10] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu moblin remix is based on moblin environment by intel over ubuntu base
[19:11] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu moblin remix is buggy and it will only be a developers release with karmic
[19:11] <perscitus> bobdylan.-> Netbook Remix is crummy release and ubuntu Moblin is Moblin interface with Ubuntu underneath
[19:11] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu netbook remix is much stable
[19:11] <Amaranth> perscitus: To use emerald in Ubuntu you have to start it manually every time you restart compiz and if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[19:11] <darthanubis> bobdylan, don't feed our pet trolls
[19:12] <holstein> well, it looks like the 'Bus error' for me is a gnome issue
[19:12] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  its better then using ugly metacity
[19:12] <holstein> it doesnt happen under LXDE
[19:12] <Amaranth> perscitus: Upstream barely even patches emerald to keep it working with new versions of compiz (and it won't work at all from compiz 0.9 on) and we support it even less in Ubuntu
[19:12] <perscitus> om26er.-> last time i used netbook remix, The interface every other click. its less stable then Moblin
[19:13] <Amaranth> perscitus: But if it works for you use it. If it doesn't work you're out of luck because it won't be getting fixed.
[19:13] <om26er> perscitus, i used ubuntu moblin remix for the last 45days and it is full of bugs you can't even imagine
[19:13] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  then bring in transparent title bars
[19:14] <perscitus> om26er.->  but it's interface doesnt crash
[19:15] <om26er> perscitus, yes now it don't but before 4days it crashed and crashed hard
[19:15] <om26er> perscitus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/455173
[19:16] <Amaranth> perscitus: I've been trying to figure out how to do that, actually
[19:17] <om26er> perscitus, here are some prominent bugs that are not fixed and they are really important https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-moblin-remix/+bugs
[19:17] <Amaranth> Right now you can make metacity decorations translucent but it does the entire decoration instead of just the background
[19:17] <Amaranth> Don't know if the metacity theme system will let us do anything else
[19:17] <bobdylan> ok thank you for both of you.. im now using unr karmic. it is much better than the previous release. only i cannot find the desktop switcher by default, i need to install it by myself and also i found that java on karmic makes internet browser going to freeze. hope that someday they can fix it. cause unr is really a good OS for my netbook
[19:17] <bean> I can't connect to AIM using empathy. :) it doesn't try to connect and just say Network Error
[19:18] <Amaranth> om26er: Only 20 bugs? Looks ready to ship to me :)
[19:18] <om26er> Amaranth, notifications don't come up
[19:18] <Amaranth> om26er: compare to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz
[19:19] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  making windows transparent or just titlebar?
[19:19] <om26er> Amaranth, it is gonna be just a developers release?
[19:19] <Amaranth> perscitus: Titlebar, you can make windows transparent no matter what decoration you use
[19:20] <Amaranth> om26er: Eh? Jaunty had even more bugs open for compiz (almost 500)
[19:20] <Amaranth> om26er: We don't fix all the bugs before releasing, that would be impossible
[19:20] <om26er> Amaranth, the bugs are all about moblin user experience and i thought  ubuntu moblin remix was moblin experience
[19:20] <bjsnider> that's ok, you don't need compiz with gnome-shell
[19:20] <bjsnider> compiz is over
[19:21] <q__> bean, does not sound like an AIM specific error, but you could try ICQ and use it like AIM. i think it is the same. (but I don't really know)
[19:21] <Amaranth> om26er: Oh, I don't know much about the moblin stuff but I know Dell is telling people it's not for regular users yet
[19:21] <om26er> bjsnider, now the tie is for mutter
[19:21] <om26er> time
[19:21] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Except gnome-shell is crazy :)
[19:22] <bjsnider> om26er, yes, it's all mutter now.
[19:22] <Amaranth> And mutter is slower and buggier than compiz even
[19:22] <bean> q__: you're right, ICQ worked just fine, huh
[19:22] <bjsnider> works great here
[19:22] <om26er> it will become better
[19:22] <bjsnider> not slower at all
[19:22] <q__> bean, :)
[19:22] <Amaranth> bjsnider: What video card?
[19:22] <RamunasM> YAY, it works \o/
[19:22] <TecnoBrat> bjsnider: just came in the middle of that ... gnome-shell is a replacement for compiz?
[19:22] <bjsnider> Amaranth, it starts with "n"...
[19:23] <jmadgin> hi there! I've just come over from a convo with videolan channel, they told me you guys may be able to help! since i upgradfrom 9.04 to 9.10 my avi's dont seem to work in movie player or vlc. I checked the readout from vlc diagnostic and it said the encoder couldnt be found. I checked the encoder in synaptic and its there?
[19:23] <bjsnider> TecnoBrat, affirmative
[19:23] <om26er> gnome-shell is also a replcaement for gnome-panels and metacity pal
[19:23] <Amaranth> TecnoBrat: gnome-shell/mutter is a replacement for metacity and gnome-panel but it forces compiz out too
[19:23] <q__> can someone tell me how to switch back to sun java 6? I want a bootchart
[19:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: You have resources to spare on that hardware so of course it doesn't seem slower
[19:23] <jmadgin> can anyone help? im tearing my hair out
[19:23] <bjsnider> Amaranth, hahaha
[19:24] <om26er> mutter still show window shadows and some fading effects and that can be improved like tranparency
[19:24] <q__> jmadgin, maybe you should just reinstall both (removing both completely before)
[19:24] <Amaranth> It'll take at least 2 years for mutter to work as well as compiz as a compositor
[19:24] <TecnoBrat> interesting ....
[19:24] <TecnoBrat> I might have to try it
[19:24] <Amaranth> OpenGL compositing is hard :/
[19:24] <om26er> compiz was not good for me in jaunty but in karmic its at its best
[19:24] <bjsnider> Amaranth, works great here so far after a few days of use
[19:25] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  i though metacity wasnt worked on  anymore?
[19:25] <Amaranth> oh, and gnome-shell has almost no features and you can't configure it :P
[19:25] <jmadgin> q ive tried uninstall and reinstall
[19:25] <jmadgin> makes no difference
[19:25] <q__> jmadgin, hm, I don't know...
[19:25] <Amaranth> perscitus: metacity is in maintenance mode, bug fixes only
[19:25] <bjsnider> Amaranth, this is just a preview
[19:25] <om26er> Amaranth, gnome-shell is preview version you know that
[19:25] <TecnoBrat> Amaranth: what is missing?
[19:25] <Amaranth> om26er: I also know their plans
[19:26] <om26er> Amaranth, and you know that meant you know that..
[19:26] <jmadgin> the sound works but i just get a blank screen as i would if there was something wrong with the video codec
[19:26] <Amaranth> If your workflow doesn't match how gnome-shell works right now don't expect it to get better for you
[19:26] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  So, Gnome will continue to lag behind KDE4 development?
[19:26] <TecnoBrat> jmadgin: tried purging and reinstalling?
[19:26] <Amaranth> perscitus: metacity is being replaced by mutter/gnome-shell
[19:27] <om26er> gnome is better than kde for using point of view
[19:27] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  whats that
[19:27] <jmadgin> tried
[19:27] <RamunasM> bjsnider: thanks for your help, its fine now ;]
[19:27] <jmadgin> techno
[19:27] <TecnoBrat> thats all a matter of perspecive (KDE vs Gnome)
[19:27] <Amaranth> !gnome-shell
[19:27] <Amaranth> hrm
[19:27] <bjsnider> RamunasM, reinstalling worked?
[19:27] <Amaranth> !info gnome-shell
[19:27] <perscitus> om26er.->  KDE 4.3 GUi is better but windows are still bit clunky. Gnome GUI but gtk look is polished.
[19:28] <Amaranth> perscitus: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[19:28] <om26er> perscitus, and gnome apps?
[19:29] <bjsnider> Amaranth, weren't you in the gnome-shell channel yesterday?
[19:29] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I'm there now
[19:29] <om26er> Amaranth, you never told gnome-shell plans?
[19:29] <bjsnider> why are you in there if you have such a problem with it?
[19:29] <Amaranth> bjsnider: To keep up-to-date on what they're working on
[19:29] <perscitus> eww yuck gnome-shell. thats bad.
[19:30] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Some of the ideas are interesting I just don't agree with the philosophy
[19:30] <bobdylan> how good is ubuntu derivative? i read on wikipedia there's a lot of ubuntu based os, like linux mint, crunchbang etc?
[19:30] <tag> Is there an extension API for gnome-shell?  It seems slick, but it's totally unusuable for a person like myself.
[19:30] <RamunasM> bjsnider: yes, either that, or that I selected to install grub on /dev/sdb
[19:30] <tag> Amaranth: what "philosophy" is that?
[19:30] <bjsnider> compiz is a huge bulky mess full of useless crap plugins
[19:30] <bjsnider> RamunasM, ah, that might explain it
[19:30] <tag> bjsnider: the cool thing about compiz, is they're plugins, you can shut them off.
[19:31] <Amaranth> tag: Basically "our way or the highway"
[19:31] <xeer> I don't care WHEN it's released. I just want it to work better then it is right now.
[19:31] <bjsnider> Amaranth, you don't like that they're dumping the old system
[19:31] <Amaranth> tag: I was actually told I should use XFCE is I don't like how they're doing it
[19:31] <tag> Well, the current system isn't going away, right?  gnome-shell appears to be a parallel effort.
[19:32] <Amaranth> I mean, I do have commit access to xfce git but I'm also a GNOME module maintainer so I'm torn
[19:32] <bjsnider> yes it is
[19:32] <tag> it is going away?
[19:32] <erwan_ho> oh
[19:32] <Amaranth> tag: gnome-panel is going to be effectively unmaintained within a year
[19:32] <erwan_ho> I there
[19:32] <bjsnider> it is being replaced by gnome-shell
[19:32] <tag> Well now I'm pissed off too.
[19:32] <bjsnider> you must use it or thugs will beat you up
[19:32] <xeer> a shell is nothing more then a window manager and a few panels.
[19:32] <erwan_ho> anyone for helping me. I need the "hexdump -n 4 /dev/<yourdisk>" of a karmic
[19:32] <om26er> gnome3 will open one instance of an app as in windows7
[19:33] <Kamilion> Hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu-virt-manager in karmic and it's asking me something about a postfix configuration, which one do I pick?
[19:33] <tag> or as in mac-os
[19:33] <bjsnider> i say for the old way go and use xfce. that's a perfect solution
[19:33] <Amaranth> om26er: Nah, it'll just treat all the windows as one app just like docky does right now
[19:33] <om26er> Amaranth, i read it a month ago and it was like a news on the internet
[19:34] <xeer> karmic should not use ext4 until the maintainers can ensure it works properly. right now it's a pile of shit
[19:34] <Kamilion> erwan_ho: just a sec...
[19:34] <erwan_ho> thx Kamilion
[19:34] <xeer> JBD fails at boot, mounts are broken.. wtf?
[19:35] <tag> I sort of liked how in gnome, to date, I've been able to choose not to choose their window manager.  I've never liked sawfish/metacity/etc.  And I don't like gnome shell's window management and I won't unless I can bend it to my will through extensions.  I appreciate the concept of gnome-shell but I'm pretty un-stoked on the existing system going unmaintained.
[19:35] <om26er> previously ubuntu required 384mb of ram for live cd now in karmic is it 256mb?
[19:35] <Kamilion> disk or partition?
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> I doubt that's the fault of ext4 xeer - it's been rather heavily tested just fine
[19:35] <erwan_ho> Kamilion: disk please
[19:35] <Kamilion> 0000000 4ceb d090
[19:35] <Kamilion> 0000004
[19:35] <tag> Amaranth: You can always fork gnome.
[19:35] <erwan_ho> thx a lot
[19:35] <bjsnider> tag, the existing system is old junk
[19:35] <Kamilion> np.
[19:35] <Amaranth> tag: haha, GoneME
[19:36] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  ext4 and karmic. ext4 worked great for me on the previous ubuntu
[19:36] <Kamilion> I'm trying to install ubuntu-virt-manager in karmic and it's asking me something about a postfix configuration, which one do I pick?
[19:36]  * erwan_ho wonder if someday, ubuntu will put HDT on their iso ;)
[19:36] <Amaranth> HDT?
[19:36] <Kamilion> erwan_ho: eh, I just use http://netboot.me/
[19:36] <om26er> Amaranth, gnome team will release gnome-shell and ubuntu and other distros will add their own api's mean change things as they wan't
[19:36] <om26er> ?
[19:37] <tonyyarusso> xeer: More likely things are broken because you're running a pre-release.
[19:37]  * om26er says that was a Question
[19:37] <erwan_ho> Amaranth: http://hdt-project.org Hardware Detection Tool
[19:37] <Amaranth> om26er: afaik no one on the Ubuntu side knows what to do
[19:37] <erwan_ho> already on some other distro & boot kernel org
[19:37] <Amaranth> om26er: They don't seem particularly fond of gnome-shell but that could change and, really, what else can they do?
[19:37] <erwan_ho> Kamilion: oh it's on it \o/
[19:38] <erwan_ho> didn't knew that
[19:38] <erwan_ho> cool
[19:38] <tag> bjsnider: Everything is crap...software developers are lazy fuckers and write horrible software with horrible documentation.  I don't see why that means I shouldn't be able to rock my own window manager and continue to use evolution and keep it integrated with my clock widget.
[19:38] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[19:38] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is not such a radical change that it will put users off. it's more having to give up compiz
[19:38] <xeer> screw you tag, not all of us are like that
[19:38] <om26er> tag, or you can go to hell
[19:38] <Kamilion> erwan_ho: as well as the 'current' netinstaller for karmic. No need to keep downloading Alpha/Beta/RC/Final ISOs...
[19:38] <xeer> horrible documentation, yes. but if you don't know how to develop software then why are you bother reading it?
[19:38] <Amaranth> bjsnider: And users who can't do OpenGL compositing can use what, exactly?
[19:39] <Kamilion> A mac?
[19:39] <Amaranth> bjsnider: That's the biggest hurdle in any distro shipping gnome-shell by default
[19:39] <bjsnider> that's funny. i guess tag isn't fond of software developers
[19:39] <tag> Oh my, what a cantankerous bunch.  ext4 is crap, this is crap, that is crap, the current system is crap, but my own software isn't?  Isn't that atypical enough such comments should be taken in jest?
[19:39]  * tonyyarusso can't do compositing on most of his machines
[19:39] <Amaranth> bjsnider: about half our users are not going to be able to run gnome-shell on first boot
[19:39] <rafferty> hi all, I am receiving "Stopping job because the scheduler could not execute the backend" when printing to PDF. Print Error (stdin)... any help?
[19:39] <bjsnider> Amaranth, complain to the guys writing the graphics drivers
[19:40] <Amaranth> bjsnider: ha
[19:40] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: Uh, we've been doing that for decades.
[19:40] <tag> bjsnider: Naturally, I am a software developer, so I deal with it first hand on a daily basis.
[19:40] <erwan_ho> thx for your help guys
[19:40] <om26er> tag, so u think development is easy. how about you add audio call to yahoo in empathy?
[19:40] <erwan_ho> ++
[19:40] <bjsnider> tag, are you a lazy bleeper?
[19:40] <tag> I prefer to just not use empathy because it seems immature.
[19:41] <tag> bjsnider: I try really hard not to be, but just like everyone else I've created my fair share of messes. :-)
[19:41] <xeer> troll
[19:42] <om26er> empathy 2.6.30 should not focus on new features but should focus on stability.
[19:42] <bjsnider> Amaranth, do you honestly think there will be no answer to the compositing problem between now and april?
[19:42] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Actually october
[19:42] <xeer> im at an initramfs prompt, what can I input to get karmic to finish booting?
[19:42] <tonyyarusso> The only solution to the compositing problem is obsolescense - eventually enough of the non-working cards will be in the trash.
[19:42] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Can't have GNOME 3.0 without GTK+ 3.0 and they plan on doing another GTK+ 2.x first so they can properly deprecate stuff they don't want to have in 3.0
[19:43] <bjsnider> Amaranth, because we cannot see one now doesn't mean one won't present itself
[19:43] <Amaranth> bjsnider: and Ubuntu wouldn't have 3.0 in lucid anyway
[19:43] <om26er> lucid lynx is gnonna be LTS so they might not wanna give gnome-shell in it ?
[19:43] <xeer> what's the point to karmic. lucid seems to be the more important one
[19:43] <bjsnider> Amaranth, there's always a new gnome before a new ubuntu release
[19:44] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Unless the next GNOME is 2.30 we're sticking with 2.28 for lucid
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> xeer: if that's your view, why are you here?  ;)
[19:44] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  because karmic is not working! it drops me to a busybox shell on every restart
[19:44] <NaviRetlav> Hi , I have problem with my ubuntu 9.10 , After boot I see white ubuntu logo and afther that I have black screen + blinking caps lock led.  2hours ago all was perfect.  auth.log is almost empty( no logs from last broken boot sequence ) . Who have idea how to help me ?
[19:44] <Amaranth> NaviRetlav: Sounds like a kernel panic when it tries to start X
[19:44] <bjsnider> Amaranth, does gnome not  operate on 6 month release cycles?
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> xeer: so just wait for Lucid?  Contradictory statements...
[19:45] <om26er> i think they won't pack a long term solution release with some immature gnome-shell
[19:45] <Amaranth> bjsnider: It does but we're not shipping 3.0 in an LTS even if it is released in time
[19:45] <Kamilion> Note: Linux runs on everything from MCUs smaller than a SDMicro to full on 4096 processor mainframes. Do you really expect that code written to support devices on one side of the spectrum will work well on devices on the other side? ;)
[19:45] <bjsnider> Amaranth, oh, i see your point now
[19:45] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Just like we won't have compiz 0.9 even if it ships in time because it's just too different and new
[19:45] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i'm assuming it will be available through another means like a ppa
[19:46] <om26er> bjsnider, http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/
[19:46] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  yes I plan on skipping karmic if I could ever get my system to boot. Unfortuantly I can't just drop it cold turkey since ext4 doesn't work on intrepid
[19:46] <om26er> see the schedule
[19:46] <NaviRetlav> Amaranth: where I should have any bug logs if auth.log is empty ?
[19:46] <xeer> file recovery is important!
[19:46] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Only if I get unlazy and upload packages to the PPA :)
[19:46] <bjsnider> Amaranth, oh, i guess you're a lazy ******** too
[19:46] <xeer> I'm sure that's a feature people would be welcomed to see. "Recover files" in their boot manager
[19:47] <xeer> oh but wait, that would steal money from those freelance computer hackers
[19:47] <Kamilion> Can't steal what isn't there.
[19:47] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what is the gnome-devs solution to the compositing problem?
[19:47] <Kamilion> We're all broke anyway. ;)
[19:48] <ubuntuLoverV3> hi peeps, how do I install grub (not grub2) on the MBR of a karmic installation?
[19:48] <NaviRetlav> anyone can help me ?
[19:49] <om26er> NaviRetlav, just come and ask the question
[19:49] <Amaranth> bjsnider: "get an intel card"
[19:49] <Amaranth> bjsnider: or hopefully soon "get an ati card"
[19:49] <ubuntuLoverV3> also how do I see the list of users in the XChat IRC client?!
[19:49] <bjsnider> Amaranth, well, that's a good point'
[19:50] <om26er> is xserver-xorg-video-nv open-source nvidia driver?
[19:50] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I'm surprised you'd say that since you are an nvidia user
[19:50] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Your use case is actually one of the broken ones for gnome-shell
[19:50] <bjsnider> om26er, yes, but so is nouveau, which is better
[19:51] <NaviRetlav> om26er: I asked , maybe you know where I can find any bugs log if I have black screen with karnel panic , after white ubuntu logo ?
[19:51] <om26er> bjsnider, they should give it out of box
[19:51] <bjsnider> Amaranth, broken? not at all. it works spectacularly well here. i love it
[19:51] <bjsnider> way better than compiz
[19:51] <om26er> NaviRetlav, i don't know
[19:51] <xeer> is it possible to tell the karmic livecd to not touch my disk drives..?
[19:51] <bjsnider> it's not just bling for bling's sake
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: quite a few new ATI cards work, yes?  Is there a list of known-goods?
[19:52] <om26er> xeer, so where are you gonna install it
[19:52] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I meant how do you get gnome-shell on first boot
[19:52] <Amaranth> bjsnider: and the features we have enabled by default in Ubuntu are not bling for bling's sake :)
[19:52] <xeer> om26er:  I'm not. im using it to recover the files on my karmic workstation. fresh install that doesn't work!
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> xeer: try a live CD?  Or would you rather just complain about it?
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: but if you disagree you can change which plugins are used and it'll work completely differently
[19:53] <bjsnider> Amaranth, just put a startup command in there: gnome-shell --replace
[19:53] <xeer> I guess I jumped the gun by downloading karmic few days prior to release. who would have known it would be THIS BUGGY
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: How do you run gnome-shell with no nvidia driver?
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: You seem to be intentionally got getting the point now
[19:53] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  ahem. I just asked a question about the livecd. that's what I'm using to recover the filesystem
[19:53] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i have the nvidia driver
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Not on first boot you don't
[19:53] <tag> bjsnider: What are your gripes about compiz, except for the fruity and lame default plugins, the effort that was wasted on crap like wobbly windows, and the rats-nest of extensions?
[19:53] <bjsnider> Amaranth, oh, i see your point. you mean the very first time i run the distro
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> xeer: okay...the answer is "you can't not touch them and get data off them - that makes no sense"
[19:54] <Amaranth> tag: Do you have anything constructive to say about _anything_?
[19:54] <om26er> why don't ubuntu give nvida driver out of box
[19:54] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  okay since I don't follow I can't offer a response
[19:54] <bjsnider> tag, other than that, it sucks
[19:54] <Amaranth> om26er: legal and "moral" reasons
[19:54] <drs305> xeer: Just choose "Try without Installing" to get you to the Desktop. It won't write anything to your partitions that way.
[19:55] <xeer> the one good thing I saw from karmic was support for 2560x1600 right out of the box
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> xeer: what do you mean by "not touch"?
[19:55] <om26er> Amaranth, open-source driver
[19:55] <tag> Amaranth: I already plugged compiz, I like it, because I can bend it to my will.  It didn't do what I wanted (flyable directional focus control) so I added it.  Same reasons I avidly used pekwm for years...only, compiz is prettier.
 bjsnider: What are your gripes about compiz, except for the fruity and lame default plugins, the effort that was wasted on crap like wobbly windows, and the rats-nest of extensions? <- I've put that in my forum sig
[19:55] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i'm not sure what would happen if i tried that. would it go to a virtual console or something?
[19:55] <xeer> drs305:  that option does not function. I am presented with a buxybox shell. Like I said all flavors of karmic seem to be buggy
[19:55] <Amaranth> om26er: the open source driver is installed by default but it gives no hardware acceleration so does not help you run gnome-shell
[19:56] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to change the gdm theme? (I accidentally switched it installing blubuntu, and cant get it back)
[19:56] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  the livecd is droping to a busybox shell and the log on my display says it was failing to mount the drive (ext4)
[19:56] <om26er> Amaranth, if for some reason nvidia requests ubuntu to give their driver in ubuntu. then will ubuntu do that or still there are some policies?
[19:56] <TecnoBrat> anyone ever had an issue updating to 9.10 where it gets stuck Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1
[19:56] <drs305> xeer: That's a problem with the CD then I would suspect. Have you run the "check CD" option when the CD runs?
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> xeer: did you check the integrity of the disk?
[19:56] <tag> Amaranth: I'm a bit anxious about this gnome-shell business, because I tried it and I didn't see a way to change the way it behaves...part of what turned me on to X11 back in the X11R6 days was if I didn't like something, it was pretty easy to just replace that bit (re: window manager being separate from desktop environment being separate from file management, et al)
[19:57] <Amaranth> om26er: nvidia would love us to ship the driver by default but the kernel community would probably send us a cease and desist letter
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> xeer: if none of that works, you can use a jaunty CD
[19:57] <xeer> drs305:  yes, it passes. I also used this cd to install the system, that worked greated until I downloaded the new karmic updates and restarted. now nothing but BUSYBOX!
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> xeer: what architecture is this?
[19:58] <Amaranth> om26er: distributing the nvidia driver pre-installed is sort of illegal
[19:58] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  amd64
[19:58] <om26er> Amaranth, if if the owner (nvidia) don't have a problem?
[19:58] <Amaranth> om26er: the kernel guys have the problem and nvidia has no say in it
[19:58] <bjsnider> om26er, the gpl is the problem
[19:59] <xeer> the integrity check takes it to the white on black ubuntu loading screen, which is more then the actual "run cd without installing" option did.
[19:59] <bjsnider> nvidia's driver violates the gpl
[19:59] <Jordan_U_> xeer: Can you try holding shift at boot and pressing 'e' to edit the kernel parameters replacing root=UUID=3e472d59-442e-47de-a1af-f3c274b1f94d with root=/dev/sda1 ( or whatever your root partition is ) ?
[19:59] <bjsnider> which makes it incompatible with the linux kernel
[19:59] <om26er> bjsnider, but if nvidia opens its source code although it won't. then there is no problem na?
[20:00] <Amaranth> bjsnider, om26er: Clarification: The way nvidia (and Ubuntu) currently ship the driver is a legal gray area but installing it by default is a definite violation
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: um, violating the GPL and being incompatible with the GPL are completely different things.
[20:00] <xeer> Jordan_U_:  thanks I'll have to try that. it was saying it couldn't mount the drive with the UUID so I'll try your option
[20:00] <q__> could someone render me a bootchart? my java does not work and the online renderer is broken/down
[20:00] <bjsnider> om26er, that will happen in the year 4067
[20:00] <Amaranth> om26er: nvidia has (recently) said that will never happen
[20:00] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Prove to me that it violates the GPL
[20:00] <xeer> nvidia for windows, ati for linux. period.
[20:01] <GodfatherofEire> Er. Guys? My xorg.conf is missing.
[20:01] <om26er> Amaranth, but intel really support open source ?
[20:01] <syn-ack> God, so many people don't understand the difference between tainting and etc
[20:01] <Amaranth> om26er: yes
[20:01] <yofel> GodfatherofEire: karmic has no xorg.conf by default
[20:01] <xeer> GodfatherofEire:  no, it is just using defaults
[20:01] <Jordan_U_> xeer: If that works then you are probably experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/462440
[20:01] <q__> xeer, hear way to many complains about ATI
[20:01] <thiebaude> the GPL also says if you need it for your system to work then you can use it
[20:01] <om26er> and ATI? do they?
[20:01] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire: we don't have one by default
[20:01] <bjsnider> syn-ack, the driver is closed, and its source cannot be redistributed modified, which violates the erms of the gpl
[20:01] <GodfatherofEire> yofel, well, that explains it
[20:01] <Amaranth> om26er: yes and no
[20:01] <syn-ack> bjsnider, that does NOT violate the GPL
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: That's not a violation.
[20:02] <Amaranth> syn-ack: The GPL does not prevent you personally from tainting your kernel running the nvidia driver but it does prevent us from shipping it precompiled and installed
[20:02] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Before you go preaching be sure you know what you're talking about
[20:02] <syn-ack> Amaranth, Absolutely
[20:02] <bjsnider> syn-ack, who's preaching?
[20:02] <thiebaude> syn-ack, did you see that part in the GPL what is was saying?
[20:02] <perscitus> Wicked cool. Vacuum effect in compiz. I can pretend it's blackhole effect
[20:02] <Amaranth> syn-ack: That's why I said what we do now is a legal gray area
[20:02] <ubuntuLoverV3> is the boot sector the same as the MBR?
[20:02] <NaviRetlav> Question: how to start u9.10 without ati graphic driver ? ( I can login , only x is not working )
[20:03] <syn-ack> Amaranth, sure, that much goes without saying.. :/ Been like that since the being of time (TM) :/
[20:03] <q__> perscitus, there is new stuff in compiz? wehee *searching for shovel and bucket*
[20:04] <om26er> Amaranth, but ubuntu can give nouveau?
[20:04] <syn-ack> bjsnider, as long as its not Derived Work (ie built on something that IS GPL) youre fine
[20:04] <syn-ack> bjsnider, and since both the nVidia AND ATi Drivers work from within wrappers, its apparently ok
[20:04] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to change the gdm theme? (I accidentally switched it installing blubuntu, and cant get it back) And also, how can I get ctrl+alt+backspace back?
[20:05] <bjsnider> syn-ack, if you're looking for a RMS-fanatic or gpl fanatic, that ain't me
[20:05] <dupondje> how can I debug Nautilus ?
[20:05] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Dont take this the wrong way, but thats exactly the impression I get.
[20:05] <Arsin> Are the windows key's disabled? I can't seem to get my binds to work
[20:05] <yofel> dupondje: err... in what way? You could just attach gdb to the process to debug it...
[20:05] <bjsnider> syn-ack, i was actually answer a question earlier about why the nvidia driver can't be included in the kernel
[20:06] <syn-ack> OH
[20:06] <syn-ack> bjsnider, shit dude, I'm sorry
[20:06] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: Please, they are super keys ( that's obviously a cape not a window )
[20:06] <bjsnider> i was not preaching to anybody
[20:06] <dupondje> yofel: in the code there are g_debug messages etc, but where to see the messages ?
[20:06] <syn-ack> bjsnider, it still doesnt violate the GPL its just... emcumbered... yeah thats the word.
[20:07] <jussi01> syn-ack: mind the language please
[20:07] <Jordan_U_> dupondje: Install nautilus-dbg ?
[20:07] <TecnoBrat> Anyone use conky with 9.10?
[20:07] <ubuntuLoverV3> hi guys, does anyone here remember the boot problem I am having?
[20:07] <bjsnider> syn-ack, i find the legalistic mumbo-jumbo RMS uses dull and boring and worngheaded. IP is a political problem, not a question of the license used
[20:07] <dupondje> Jordan_U_: that are debug symbols .. but will not bring those debug messages on my screen I bet :p
[20:08] <perscitus> Arsin.->  I'm sorry to say that Ubuntu doesnt make use of Windows key by default
[20:08] <ubuntuLoverV3> mzz, dmatt are you here?
[20:08] <TecnoBrat> my conky display has a weird shadow around it :P
[20:08] <syn-ack> bjsnider, See, thats where I differ.. I love the legal aspects of it
[20:08] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: You should still be able to bind actions to it though
[20:08] <jussi01> ubuntuLoverV3: perhaps you can tell us again?
[20:08] <TecnoBrat> and its also sitting ontop instead of behind floating on the desktop
[20:08] <bjsnider> syn-ack, ugh, whatever floats your boat
[20:08] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: Hmm.. it's not reading it when I try to set up a bind
[20:08] <bjsnider> syn-ack, are you a lawyer?
[20:09] <jussi01> !ot
[20:09] <syn-ack> bjsnider, PoliSci Major. :D
[20:09] <syn-ack> EoT
[20:09] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: Does it register in xev?
[20:09] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: xev is?
[20:09] <ubuntuLoverV3> jussi01, oh man it's too long a story and you guys will suggest things that mzz and dmatt already tried by the time I finish telling you I'll be bed time
[20:10] <jussi01> ubuntuLoverV3: perhaps you cna give me the basics at least.
[20:10] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: It's a simple application that brings up a window and prints to stdout any X events that window recieves, like key press / release
[20:10] <xeer> http://pastebin.com/d748b59b8 this is the current issue I am facing with karmic
[20:11] <q__> could someone render me a bootchart? my java does not work and the online renderer is broken/down
[20:11] <ubuntuLoverV3> but in short, new Karmic instalation on single boot laptop, installed grub2 but won't but, gets stuck on a black screen with blinking cursor before it gets to grub2
[20:11] <ubuntuLoverV3> so I don't think it's an MBR/grub/partition table issue
[20:11] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: It reads it
[20:11] <xeer> ubuntuLoverV3:  seems the be a problem going around
[20:12] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: What application isn't recognising it?
[20:12] <ubuntuLoverV3> I am searching and someone said either the HDD is fried, which it's not because I can munt Karmic from the Live CD
[20:12] <Arsin> System>Prefs>Keyboard Shortcuts
[20:12] <ubuntuLoverV3> or, weak power supply!!
[20:13] <ubuntuLoverV3> the laptops battery died and I'm using t with power supply only, could that be it?
[20:13] <xeer> I'd think not..
[20:13] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: Infact, Super Ctrl and Alt are not able to be binded there
[20:13] <q__> ubuntuLoverV3, stored it empty? to much heat over the time?
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> xeer, yeah I'm running out of ideas
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> q__, yes it does overheat, it's a crap unbranded laptop, good spec when I bought it but creap hardware
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> *cheap
[20:15] <bjsnider> ubuntuLoverV3, did you try reinstalling?
[20:15] <ubuntuLoverV3> yeah, this the third different ubuntu version I tried, they all install fine just won't boot
[20:17] <ubuntuLoverV3> oh I have to say that it ran ubuntu 6.xx for over a year when I first got the laptop, but the boot topped working during an upgrade! and since it has not worked except via LiveCD
[20:17] <ubuntuLoverV3> it's been about 2 years now
[20:18] <bjsnider> ubuntuLoverV3, have you considered throwing it out?
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> I stored it for a while but now I'd like ot get it working as a secondary machine
[20:18] <bjsnider> it sounds like garbage
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> bjsnider, nope :) I'm very frugal. But I have considered buying another harddrive
[20:18] <bjsnider> i wonder if it would work with a different hard drive
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> :)
[20:19] <ubuntuLoverV3> bjsnider, I'll throw it out if you send me a replacement ;)
[20:20] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: If your problem is that grub won't load from the hard drive, but you can access the hard drive fine via liveCD you can try installing grub to a CD and have it load the /boot/grub/grub.cfg from the hard drive
[20:21] <ubuntuLoverV3> Jordan_U_, YES, in fact I did that on a USBpen for a while but was hopping there was a fix!
[20:22] <xeer> I unplugged the hard drive, and look at that.. the livecd works now.
[20:22] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: You could ask in #grub, but they will only support GRUB2 ( but it's one of the few channels where the people giving support are actually the developers so they are very knowlageable )
[20:23] <ubuntuLoverV3> oh thank, what's the channel name?
[20:23] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: #grub
[20:23] <ubuntuLoverV3> not grub2 ?
[20:24] <perscitus> how do you move panel now?
[20:24] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: No, there is only one grub channel and it only supports GRUB2
[20:24] <tgpraveen> !info empathy
[20:25] <perscitus> tgpraveen.-> its not real telepathy
[20:25] <tgpraveen> perscitus: ??
[20:25] <tgpraveen> i know its the empathy client using telepathy framework
[20:25] <perscitus> tgpraveen.-> and i said its not real telepathy
[20:26] <tgpraveen> perscitus: what do u mean by "real" telepathy?
[20:26] <cankoy>  /part
[20:26] <perscitus> tgpraveen.->  use a dictionary
[20:28] <GodfatherofEire> Any ideas why Ctrl Alt F7 is causing a kernel panic (I think) when I try to exit the tty console?
[20:28] <dupondje> pfft trying to get the damn g_debug shown :p
[20:29] <perscitus> tgpraveen.->  figure it out yet
[20:30] <GodfatherofEire> Alo?
[20:31] <yofel> perscitus: even if you're talking about telepathy and not telepathy, I think in *this* channel we can just got with tgpraveen's interpretation :P
[20:35] <alexis_> hi! it is possible to edit directly /boot/config-2.6.31-14-generic to enable a feature to (try) to make work my dvb tuner?
[20:36] <alexis_> I saw on linux tv kiwi's that: Some "broken" devices where sold with cold id: 0547:2235 . You will need to enable CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MB_FAULTY in the kernel .config to catch those.
[20:37] <alexis_> (before, in hardy -k2.6.24*- juste adding the firmware in /lib/firmware, it was enough
[20:39] <ChogyDan> hmmm, anyone running karmic UNR right now?
[20:41] <kubuntuser> UNR>
[20:41] <kubuntuser> UNR?
[20:41] <Berzerker> ChogyDan: yes
[20:41] <Berzerker> are there any mirrors for karmic moblin remix? the one off ubuntu.com is really slow
[20:41] <ChogyDan> Berzerker: would you like to test a bug?  sudo shutdown now  isn't working for me
[20:42] <Berzerker> can't right now
[20:42] <ChogyDan> mk
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> yay! just installed karmic and my boot time is down about 1 min
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> its only around 1:10 now
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> from switch on to desktop
[20:43] <tgpraveen1> and mine is a p4 system
[20:43] <syn-ack> mine is 20 seconds
[20:43] <alexis_> sudo shutdown -h now
[20:43] <alexis_> -h
[20:43] <syn-ack> :D
[20:43] <ChogyDan> alexis_: ah! ok
[20:43] <alexis_> or -r to restart
[20:44] <ChogyDan> alexis_: I think I got confused because there is a : sudo reboot
[20:44] <Arsin> My internet is extremely slow is this happening to anyone else? Yesterday in 9.04 it was fine
[20:44] <tgpraveen1> Arsin: i doubt it has more to do with ISP than with ubuntu
[20:45] <apparle> At what time is 9.10 karmic koala releasing?
[20:45] <Lint01> Why do we have this PoS 'Ubuntu Software Center' in default install?
[20:46] <Berzerker> you mean the amazing ubuntu software center?
[20:46] <Berzerker> because it's amazing
[20:46] <tgpraveen1> AMAZING
[20:46] <dAlfa89_> ATTENTION EVERYBODY, UBUNTU 9.10 "KARMIC KOALA" HAS NO SPECIFIC TIME OF RELEASE, ONLY THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED TOMORROW
[20:46] <apparle> dAlfa89_: Here it is already 29th
[20:47] <Lint01> USC interface designers must be flogged
[20:47] <dAlfa89_> Fine, released on the 29th
[20:47] <dAlfa89_> But still, expect it to be released at some point in the day
 ATTENTION EVERYBODY, UBUNTU 9.10 "KARMIC KOALA" HAS NO SPECIFIC TIME OF RELEASE, ONLY THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED TOMORROW  <-- but tomorrow is the 30th...
[20:48] <tgpraveen1> in some timezone
[20:48] <dAlfa89_> Light-, had that pointed out ¬.¬ ^
[20:48] <apparle> Anyone know how many hours to ago.... approx
[20:48] <chazco> How easy is it to change back to GDM or to customise xsplash?
[20:48] <Light-> apparle, if its anything like last time, about 14
[20:49] <apparle> okk thanks
[20:50] <Arsin> I can't seem to watch videos on the internet, ie http://gizmodo.com/5391819/high-res-video-of-ares-i+x-launch?autoplay=true?skyline=true&s=i
[20:50] <villemv> weird
[20:50] <Arsin> No player is coming up
[20:50] <villemv> sound suddenly started working with kde
[20:51] <villemv> I didn't check what apt-get brought be - anyone aware what they fixed?
[20:51] <domjohnson> So, Karmic will be released later today?
[20:51] <kristian2> don't know
[20:51] <domjohnson> What time is it in Ubuntu mean Time?
[20:51] <domjohnson> :P
[20:51] <kristian2> in the past they took their time
[20:51] <villemv> they still got till friday :-)
[20:52] <kristian2> they have time, till the last time zone turns to friday
[20:52] <villemv> if they do it today, you could say the sound issue was "saved by the bell"
[20:52] <domjohnson> I'll just wait til' Monday or whatever
[20:52] <kristian2> but i think that gmt is the ubuntu time, becuae the quarter is in london und parts of africa also have the gmt
[20:53] <domjohnson> ahhhh
[20:53] <domjohnson> In which case, its only the 28th in GMT
[20:53] <kristian2> yes it is
[20:53] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I have the 9.10 RC installed and when the official release happens tomorrow do I just need to check to see if the final MD5Sum matches the the one I get from the RC image to see if there were any last minute changes added so I know if i can just burn the RC image or if I need to download a final image? Sound about right or is it pretty much guaranteed that I will need to download the final image?
[20:53] <kristian2> 20:53
[20:53] <Anathema2> 20:53 GMT atm
[20:54] <kristian2> download the final image
[20:55] <kristian2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/
[20:55] <kristian2> i think they will put it here as soon it will be released
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> LinuxGuy2009: I can tell you right now the RC image is likely not the final, since the images have changed since then multiple times.
[20:56] <syn-ack> meh
[20:56] <villemv> yeah, and tons of updates keep coming daily
[20:56] <LinuxGuy2009> tonyyarusso: Oh ok thank you that was just the bit of info I wanted to verify.
[20:56] <syn-ack> I'm already running Karmic so its not really that big a deal
[20:56] <syn-ack> just a quick apt-get update and I'll be happy
[20:57] <chazco> With 9.04 the RC was the final... guessing since the RC for 9.10 is a bit iffy still it probably wont be. That and the 200+ updates currently going on after install
[20:57] <villemv> I imagine most ppl on this channel would be running karmic ;-)
[20:57] <syn-ack> Then I dont see what the big deal is. :P
[20:58] <tonyyarusso> Remember folks, some people are still trying to get support here, so please take the speculation and whatnot to #ubuntu-release-party.
[20:59] <chazco> Still trying to customise xsplash and fix the touchscreen, otherwise it's all good :)
[20:59] <narretgrez> hello, after upgrading to karmic koala, internet has become really slow
[20:59] <narretgrez> is this normal?
[20:59] <ubuntuLoverV3> how can I find out the manufactorer of my hard drive?
[20:59] <narretgrez> like after i try to go to a new url, it freezes up sometimes for like 5-6 seconds
[20:59] <LinuxGuy2009> So Ill just need to do a system update to have the final release installed correct? Then just download and burn the ISO with no need to have to reinstall a fresh copy or should I anyways?
[20:59] <narretgrez> or even up to 10 seconds
[21:00] <narretgrez> actually, i'm not sure if it's an issue with firefox or the internet
[21:00] <narretgrez> but the cpu isn't spiking in firefox
[21:00] <villemv> firefox
[21:00] <villemv> bad internet won't peak your browser
[21:00] <villemv> ah
[21:00] <villemv> nvm
[21:00] <narretgrez> k
[21:00] <villemv> late here
[21:00] <Guest1> Karmic has not been released yet correct?
[21:00] <villemv> narretgrez: how about other browsers
[21:01] <Guest1> Anyone...?
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> LinuxGuy2009: If everything looks good, you can just do the upgrade.  If you experience issues after that, a fresh install may help.
[21:01] <narretgrez> villemv: i haven't tried any other browser yet. what other browsers are available?
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: No.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> Guest1: Tommorow
[21:01] <villemv> arora, epiphany, w3m...
[21:01] <villemv> konqueror
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: This channel will cease to exist once it does.  Await announcement and party in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:01] <Guest1> Then why are there ISO releases
[21:01] <jemark> lynx
[21:01] <chazco> Is the splash screen supposed to display after login for a bit?
[21:01] <villemv> chazco: yes
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: There have been ISO images since like June - they just aren't final.
[21:02] <chazco> Ah ok, thanks villemv
[21:02] <LinuxGuy2009> tonyyarusso: Thank you.
[21:02] <jemark> tomorrow is the final...
[21:02] <Guest1> tonyyarusso: so the ISOs are development versions
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: correct
[21:02] <Guest1> thank you
[21:02] <jemark> but i guess if you update the latest daily, you have the final ;)
[21:03] <villemv> incidentally, nvidia performance with kde is *amazing* on karmic
[21:03] <villemv> w/ binary drivers
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> Yes, you can download a daily image and then tomorrow use rsync/zsync to only download the small amount of updates needed, if any.
[21:03] <villemv> I feel like moving around my windows all the time
[21:04] <alankila> hmm, so they finally fixed whatever was ailing KDE4... I saw it sometime soon after Jaunty was released and it felt pretty slow then
[21:04] <BUGabundo> night o/
[21:04] <BUGabundo> 14h to launch :))
[21:04] <villemv> alankila: well, for nvidia anyway
[21:04]  * BUGabundo is happy feet
[21:05] <villemv> supposedly intel too, but on my office intel chip it's still clunky. but so is gnome
[21:05] <villemv> but now, nvidia rocks more than anything rocked before, anywhere
[21:05] <RamunasM> any of you use ubuntu one?
[21:05]  * villemv is on the hyperbole
[21:06] <villemv> RamunasM: ask the actual question ;-)
[21:06] <villemv> as opposed to "any 'nano' gurus in the house?"
[21:06] <Laney> Are the nvidia drivers on Karmic any good?
[21:06] <RamunasM> villemv: how do I add my computer to my account?
[21:06] <villemv> Laney: YES
[21:06] <Laney> oh
[21:06] <Laney> ha!
[21:06] <villemv> RamunasM: it should happen automatically
[21:06] <Laney> I want to get some new quiet graphics
[21:07] <villemv> when you use the applet on new computer
[21:07] <Laney> which will let me play l4d and tf2 on windows but also work on Karmic
[21:07] <Laney> any recommendations?
[21:07] <villemv> for karmic, I'd say nvidia something
[21:07] <villemv> since the new "glorious" ati drivers are not in karmic yet, iirc
[21:08] <bjsnider> what new ati drivers?
[21:08] <villemv> if I've read my phoronix correctly
[21:08]  * Laney shrugs
[21:08] <RamunasM> villemv: well, no go with that
[21:08] <villemv> the open source ones written against ati's specs
[21:08] <Laney> I'm using -ati right now
[21:08] <Laney> works well enough
[21:08] <BluesKaj> anyone on karmic able to play the video here ?  http://www.nasa.gov/#
[21:08] <Laney> just want to make my PC silent and the x1950 I have now is pretty loud
[21:09] <villemv> Laney: all the compositing stuff is working well then?
[21:09] <bjsnider> which open source ati drivers written against ati's specs?
[21:09] <Laney> compiz is fine
[21:09] <Laney> bjsnider: yes
[21:09] <villemv> bjsnider: hold on
[21:09] <Laney> I am watching a flight test
[21:09] <bjsnider> it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers
[21:09] <bpgoldsb> I've got the ubuntu karmic alternate release rc.  I'm PXE booting off of the image on the cd.  I PXE boot fine.  However, during the 'Download Installer Components' section, I get 'No kernel modules found.  This is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the version in the archive'.  Anyone know anything about this
[21:10] <Laney> BluesKaj: yes, even
[21:10] <Laney> bjsnider: -ati works fine
[21:10] <villemv> the ones they talk about here, for example: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_r600_3d&num=1
[21:10] <Laney> -fglrx dropped support for this card, but luckily the Free one is good enough now
[21:10] <Laney> wasn't for <=Jaunty
[21:11] <BluesKaj> Laney, what plugin do we need , any idea , looks like quicktime and wma
[21:12] <Laney> it's using the totem plugin
[21:14] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, that might work with the fluendo codecs installed
[21:14] <BluesKaj> totem isn't aplugin , it's a player
[21:14] <nameiner> I installed amarok under ubuntu and tried to activate the multimedia keys of my laptop. They don't work. They work fine in other applications though. What can I do?
[21:15] <BluesKaj> ok, thanks bjsnider , I'll check it out
[21:17] <scott_ino2> anyone know of a way to tweak compiz to make it faster for slower hardware?
[21:19] <rohan> when :P
[21:20] <arand> scott_ino2: there are some quality setting in the general section in compizconfig...
[21:20] <scott_ino2> yeah im having a look around
[21:21] <scott_ino2> it's hard to tell the naming structure of these things
[21:21] <scott_ino2> since minimize effect is turned off, yet the standard minimize/maximize effect does something
[21:22] <Arsin> Videos on Veoh aren't working any help?
[21:24] <cdm10> Hmm. The new Devicekit-Power thingy has some drawbacks. For one thing, it doesn't display "Provides x minutes of power" any more, and seems to base remaining times on BIOS-reported remaining times, which are quite volatile and quite a bit less accurate than g-p-m's older formula.
[21:25] <arand> scott_ino2: since that is defined in animations I think... There is a reason why compizconfig isn't shipped per default...
[21:26] <scott_ino2> arand, yeah... just playing around with it, i don't really want compiz but i don't want uglyness either so im trying to adjust it for a good mix
[21:26] <scott_ino2> no worries
[21:28] <scott_ino2> arand, only problem i have is maximizing is slow
[21:29] <Cahan> damn, Karmic still seems to have the bug where my wifi card will randomly lock up
[21:30] <awozniak> Delvien: how do you re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace in Karmic?
[21:30] <Delvien> awozniak: system> pref > keyboard > layouts > layout options, the option is in there.
[21:31] <Delvien> awozniak: find it ?
[21:31] <awozniak> yep, ty
[21:31] <Delvien> np :)
[21:31] <awozniak> Delvien: yep, ty
[21:31] <Delvien> kk im out of this channel, have fun folks
[21:32] <Arsin> My sound isn't working in 9.04 it did but not now
[21:33] <hggdh> Arsin: if you are running 9.04, this is the wrong channel: we deal exclusively with 9.10 (until tomorrow)
[21:33] <hggdh> please try #ubuntu
[21:34] <Berzerker> anyone here using karmic moblin remix?
[21:34] <Cahan> is there no sound configurer in xubuntu?
[21:35] <nztal> what are some of the more modern internet chipsets supported under karmic ?
[21:35] <nztal> err intel motherboard chipsets
[21:36] <cdm10> nztal: most Intel chipsets are fully supported, I believe -- Intel has a very good record of open-source compatibility.
[21:37] <villemv> too bad some intel chips work very slow still
[21:37] <villemv> even if they are supported
[21:38] <arand> hggdh: Arsin: No, I think this is the right channel... if your issues are in karmic as you stated.
[21:38]  * yofel throws a side note to GME500 into the room...
[21:39] <hggdh> arand, indeed, this is why I said "if you are running 9.04 (...)"
[21:41] <sourcemaker> in karmic... akonadi crashs...
[21:41] <sourcemaker> is this a known problem?
[21:42] <Berzerker> nztal: X58 and P55 are both supporte.
[21:42] <Berzerker> d
[21:43] <Cahan> when I get a pidgin notification in the top right hand screen and move the mouse to click it (in order that it brings Pidgin to the forefront and lets me read the new message) the notification disappears when my mouse is over it, is this intended behaviour?
[21:44] <mMezquitale> hey is it the 29th yet???  at what time zone will karmic be officially released???
[21:45] <dAlfa89_> Cahan, yes, you can't actually click that type of notification, there is a Pidgin plugin that opens "Toaster" popups at the bottom-left that you can click on, if you prefer
[21:45] <dAlfa89_> Bottom-right*
[21:45] <Cahan> that's terrible usability :|
[21:46] <dAlfa89_> They're only intended to notify, it uses the libnotify engine thing, just like Rhythmbox
[21:46] <Lint01> what the hell is difference?
[21:47] <yofel> mMezquitale: there is no fixed release time, it will be released sometime on the 29th.
[21:47] <Lint01> how can I change the login screen in kk?
[21:47] <Cahan> the average users conceptual model of a notification pop-up is that when they click it it provides more information / takes them to whatever program generated it
[21:49] <shinka> I have a problem with the Ubuntu Software Center. I tried to install "Inkscape", but the progress is stuck at 72% "Applying change". I cannot install any new program and there's no X at the right of the progress bar to cancel it. Funny fact; Inkscape seem to have been downloaded and installed properly.
[21:51] <Arsin> arand: hggdh: Ya it is 9.10
[21:52] <holstein> did /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules get move?
[21:52] <holstein> moved*
[21:52] <holstein> im trying to get a firewire audio device working
[21:52] <holstein> get my permissions persitent
[21:55] <shinka> Nobody has an idea (it's quite an annoying problem) ?
[21:55] <holstein> sorry shinka, i havent checked out the new software center yet
[21:55] <bucky> ikonia sucked a fart from my ass and swallowed it
[21:56] <holstein> so you can launch inkscape shinka?
[21:57] <shinka> holstein: yes
[21:57] <holstein> might just be a little glitch
[21:57] <holstein> lots of changes happening
[21:57] <holstein> :)
[21:57] <shinka> Yep, but now I'm trying to install new programs and I can't ;)
[21:57] <awozniak> Are there any known bugs with 9.10 beta around CIFS and file names being mangled?
[21:58] <holstein> have you killed the software center shinka?
[21:58] <holstein> or is it still just hanging from before?
[21:59] <shinka> holstein: I can close the software center, but when I open it again it still say inscape is "in progress", all other programs I try to download are "waiting". There's no X to kill the process specifically for inkscape.
[22:00] <Arsin> My sound isn't working in 9.04 it did but not now in 9.10
[22:00] <holstein> i usually track down and kill with htop
[22:00] <holstein> you could try that i guess
[22:01] <holstein> have you rebooted shinka?
[22:01] <holstein> i know its not windows, but that might be the path of least resistance
[22:01] <shinka> No. I'll try that.
[22:01] <shinka> But if it doesn't work, you think I could kill the process with htop ?
[22:02] <holstein> you could poke around in there and see what shows up in htop
[22:02] <shinka> I'll try that. Thank you.
[22:02] <holstein> i not sure exactly why its hung up
[22:02] <holstein> strange
[22:04] <holstein> drag Arsin
[22:04] <holstein> SO your sound did work with 9.04, and not now with 9.10?
[22:04] <Arsin> holstein: What? drag?
[22:04] <Arsin> holstein: Yes
[22:05] <holstein> hmmm
[22:05] <nxnn14> anyone know why when I shutdown instead of seeing the usplash graphic the screen is full of like different colored pinstripes
[22:05] <Arsin> holstein: I didn't install anything either
[22:05] <holstein> OH, so its not working from the live CD then
[22:05] <Arsin> holstein: I meant, in 9.04 I didn't need to install any drivers
[22:06] <holstein> OH ok
[22:06] <villemv> Arsin, sound was broken in Kubuntu until today
[22:06] <villemv> at least for me
[22:06] <holstein> well, im no expert, but you could try getting all updates
[22:06] <Dink> nxnn14, known bug iirc. Try to remove splash from kernel line, update-grub, reboot
[22:06] <villemv> but I installed kubuntu-desktop over plain ubuntu
[22:07] <nxnn14> dink: cool thanks
[22:07] <villemv> probably something about kde not playing nice with pulseaudio
[22:07] <Arsin> holstein: I have
[22:07] <holstein> and its showing up in like lspic?
[22:07] <holstein> lspci*
[22:08] <holstein> thats probably not the issue anyways
[22:08] <nxnn14> how do I "remove splash from kernel line"
[22:08] <villemv> sound card drivers are almost never the problem
[22:08] <villemv> try "lsof | grep snd" Arsin
[22:08] <villemv> it can give a clue
[22:09] <Arsin> villemv: No command found
[22:09] <Arsin> villemv: nvm
[22:10] <Arsin> villemv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303854/
[22:11] <villemv> looks good
[22:11] <villemv> check your volume
[22:11] <holstein> yeah, the volume, and all the tick-able boxes
[22:12] <Arsin> villemv: holstein: Maxed physically and virtually
[22:12] <cshark> does anyone use ubuntu with virualbox is there many known failures that come with it? have used previous ubuntu releases but that was a long time ago. I am really interested in it again but going to test it through virtualbox for a month or two before I install it locally.
[22:12] <nxnn14> Dink: how do I remove splash from the kernel line?
[22:12] <innomen> is there someway i can get the old add remove software thing instead of this software center?
[22:13] <villemv> nxnn14: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:13] <cshark> or should a virtualbox installation be the same as if I installed it on my harddrive with it's own partion etc.
[22:13] <innomen> it makes batch installing and uninstalling a real pill
[22:13] <nxnn14> villemv: ty
[22:13] <Dink> nxnn14, edit /etc/default/grub
[22:13] <nxnn14> which is right? two people gave two different answers
[22:13] <Dink> karmic ?
[22:13] <villemv> Arsin: check if you have earphones connected ;-). also, are you on kde or gnome?
[22:13] <starcube> Anybody can help me? I installed karmic on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. The internet doesnt work, neither via ethernet or wireless card.
[22:14] <Arsin> villemv: Gnome
[22:14] <nxnn14> Dink: ya i am on karmic if that was fo me
[22:14] <Dink> nxnn14, yeah edit /etc/default/grub. There is a GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT param remove splash
[22:14] <villemv> I don't even have that file Dink
[22:15] <villemv> ah
[22:15] <villemv> it's a grub2 thing
[22:15] <Arsin> villemv: k I fiddled with my hardware and it works, thanks
[22:15] <Dink> nxnn14, then run update-grub2
[22:15] <Dink> yeah
[22:15] <villemv> Arsin: excellent
[22:15] <nxnn14> Dink: ok so that line should look like grub_cmdline_linux_default="quiet" or get rid of quite to
[22:15] <Dink> leave quiet
[22:15] <Arsin> My internet is SLOW and no it is not an ISP problem, speed test says I have a good connection so I don't see what's the problem. Pages load really slow
[22:15] <nxnn14> kk ty
[22:16] <villemv> Arsin: wlan?
[22:17] <villemv> my wlan sucked on Jaunty, but rocks on Karmic (ath5k driver)
[22:17] <Dink> nxnn14, remember to update-grub2
[22:17] <nxnn14> dink, ok
[22:17] <andreas_> I have problem with my soundcard.
[22:18] <starcube> Oh to add, it doesnt seem to try to connect at all.
[22:18] <unimatrix> who's going to an ubuntu release party tomorrow and get hammered?
[22:19] <andreas_> I have a Clicking sound all the time, whats wrong? :S
[22:19] <starcube> I want an ubuntu release party in Clitheroe.
[22:20] <holstein> andreas_: you could check and see if you have an input unmuted and going out to the speakers
[22:20] <dupondje> tomorrow is the day :D
[22:20] <holstein> maybe the internal mic
[22:20] <ckw> Did any behavior change in Karmic with regards to the disk checks after 30 mounts?
[22:20] <holstein> if its a laptop
[22:21] <dupondje> ckw: that filesystem dependant
[22:21] <dupondje> you can change it tho
[22:21] <nxnn14> Dink: this may sound dumb, but now the usplash is gone, so are the crazy lines on shutdown at least tho
[22:21] <ckw> dupondje: Does it still do it at startup?
[22:21] <ckw> or does it put it into hte background
[22:21] <ckw> and let you log in?
[22:21] <dupondje> does it at startup
[22:21] <dupondje> there is no other possibility
[22:21] <dupondje> as fsck needs to happen when the device is read-only
[22:21] <ckw> I came in here last night with a problem that my home partition wasn't mounting
[22:22] <ckw> with a busy error, and it wouldn't let me mount it anywhere else
[22:22] <ckw> But then it suddenly mounted itself
[22:22] <ckw> The only explanation I can think of is if the disk check was running and went into the background
[22:23] <ckw> So the partition really was busy (with the disk check), and it was mounted as soon as it finished
[22:23] <unimatrix> starcube: there's one in Manchester :P
[22:23] <aprilhare> ever get the feeling your favourite bug won't get addressed before release? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[22:23] <chunknuts> Anyone have a problem with booting the Xubuntu RC LiveCD?
[22:23] <ckw> Is this impossible/completely wrong, or could I be right for once?
[22:23] <starcube> unimatrix: Nice!
[22:24] <andreas_> nån svensk som kan hjälpa mig med ljudet?
[22:27] <andreas_> help me, still have clicking sound. turn off ALL ingoing sound and have only outgoing
[22:27] <innomen> where does empathy store its account details?
[22:28] <innomen> !empathy
[22:29] <innomen> where is application data not kept in its own folder ususally stored?
[22:29] <andreas_> hello?! pls help me
[22:30] <BUGabundo> innomen: try $ mlocate empa | more
[22:31] <BUGabundo> innomen: I suspect its inside .gnome2 or something
[22:31] <andreas_> when I play music I dont have any click sound, but when I shut down the music player it starts with clicking sound
[22:31] <BUGabundo> !ask | andreas_
[22:31] <bjsnider> maybe inside .config
[22:31] <arand> andreas_: #ubuntu-se är svenska kanalen, även om det troligtvis finns mer folk som kan karmic och ljud här inne, endast engelska här dock.
[22:32] <arand> innomen: it's a strange place, I recall, hang on...
[22:32] <matahari> hi all
[22:32] <matahari>  it is very strange. on my karmic-install apache2 userdirs don't work anymore. Module is enabled, and rights are put in correctly (www-data:www-data). Anyway, i always gets an 403 Forbidden Error when i am tring to access a page there. Some ideas? Thanks in Advance
[22:32] <innomen> arand, holding
[22:33] <BUGabundo> innomen: try $ mlocate empa | more
[22:33] <arand> innomen: ~/.applicationname but for empathy...
[22:33] <bjsnider> try ~/.config/empathy
[22:34] <innomen> bjsnider, thats it
[22:34] <innomen> bjsnider, thanks
[22:34] <innomen> thanks guys :)
[22:34] <joaopinto> its ~/.configu/Empathy, not empathy :P
[22:34] <joaopinto> config
[22:35] <Dink> nxnn14, that is basically what you stopped from loading. That is the cause of the problem.
[22:35] <innomen> well no, the config file has a single inin file that only has one parameter
[22:35] <arand> innomen: ~/.mission-control is the badger.
[22:35] <nxnn14> Dink: right, so there is no way to have the nice looking boot and shutdown
[22:35] <innomen> i'm looking for the account details, i want to delete them
[22:36] <Dink> nxnn14, I have the same issue myself. I don't mind since I need to boot to term anyways.
[22:36] <innomen> arand, there we go, thanks, what an odd place
[22:36] <innomen> arand, how in the world did you find that?
[22:36] <nxnn14> Dink: ok hopefully this gets fixed soon i guess then
[22:37] <Dink> nxnn14, its usplash related
[22:38] <joaopinto> erm, telepathy is not XDG compliant ?
[22:38] <joaopinto> ops, empathy
[22:38] <bjsnider> mission-control. of course! what else would it be called?it makes perfect sense
[22:38] <nxnn14> Dink: right, it would be nice if it all worked
[22:38] <Dink> I haven't dug up the bug # myself but probably a good idea to post on there your findings once the bug id is found ;)
[22:38] <nxnn14> Dink: sounds good
[22:40] <chaos2fu> hii where do i change between alsa, pulseaudio and so on for the sound?
[22:40] <RamunasM> thanks for the help guys, night :)
[22:40] <arand> innomen: well, mission-control is the back-end for some part of empathy... I got told by someone else
[22:40] <innomen> How do i completely uninstall an app?
[22:40] <innomen> "completely remove" apprently dosent do that
[22:40] <Byron> Is there a meta package for the netbook version of Karmic?
[22:40] <arand> bjsnider: *agreed
[22:41] <innomen> i did it to empathy try to delete the account data, i reinstalled and the data was still there
[22:41] <chaos2fu> hii where do i change between alsa, pulseaudio and so on for the sound?
[22:42] <Dink> nxnn14, just curious what video card ?
[22:42] <dtchen> chaos2fu: the same place you've always done it: in an asoundrc
[22:42] <zetheroo> It's still "Coming Soon"
[22:42] <dtchen> chaos2fu: granted, the GUI side is less friendly now
[22:43] <nxnn14> Dink: nvidia 8600 gts
[22:43] <arand> innomen: you "completely remove" it and the you delete user-specific files in your ~/
[22:43] <andreas_> how do I find asoundrc ?
[22:43] <arand> The removal of a package will never remove user-specific settings
[22:43] <patrickT> .
[22:43] <chaos2fu> dtchen how do i use asoundrc then?
[22:43] <chaos2fu> i have done it graphically before??
[22:44] <arand> ... if they are in ~/ at least
[22:44] <quentusrex_> Now, will there be any difference if I install the beta now
[22:44] <quentusrex_> and upgrade later
[22:44] <TecnoBrat> Is there any known issues with 9.10 and the "Xorg" process eating up lots of CPU?
[22:45] <quentusrex_> or should I wait to install the release friday?
[22:45] <innomen> arand, i cant find them, the folder you sent me to even when deleted apears to do nothing at all
[22:46] <Koken> could someone help me? after installing ubuntu 9.10 rc, my machine does not boot.
[22:46] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, you can safely upgrade now
[22:46] <chunknuts> TecnoBrat: I haven't seen any issues with Xorg
[22:46] <chaos2fu> Koken, are u using VGA?
[22:47] <Koken> i have a digital monitor
[22:47] <zetheroo> tick tock
[22:47] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, so I can install beta, and safely upgrade to the release on friday?
[22:47] <homerslice75> quick question: Friend has a dell mini 9, should he go with Ubuntu 9.10 or Ubuntu Remix 9.10
[22:47] <quentusrex_> and there will be no differences?
[22:47] <chaos2fu> is it a laptop?
[22:47] <almoxarife> is there something I can do to spin down usb drives when they are idle?
[22:47] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, install today's daily livecd
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> And I just answered my own question.
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> Google, how I love you.
[22:47] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, ok
[22:47] <Koken> nope, its a (blech) hp desktop
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> Its conky
[22:48] <chaos2fu> Nvidia graphics?
[22:48] <Koken> yes
[22:48] <TecnoBrat> killed conky, and Xorg cpu usage dropped down to normal :)
[22:48] <Koken> and it has a dvi connector to the monitor. but that isnt the problem
[22:48] <homerslice75> almoxarife: yes
[22:48] <tormod> almoxarife, depends on the drive (or the usb bridge), try hdparm or sdparm on it
[22:48] <Koken> ubuntu never even boots up
[22:48] <chaos2fu> what is the problem?
[22:49] <zetheroo> homerslice75: remix
[22:49] <Koken> when i turn on my computer, i get a black screen with the single word "GRUB" at the top left. nothing else
[22:49] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, any changes between today and the release?
[22:49] <almoxarife> thnks
[22:49] <arand> innomen: have you completely restarted empathy as well after?
[22:49] <quentusrex_> I mean, will there be any*
[22:49] <Koken> and my keyboard and mouse are unresponsive
[22:49] <Koken> also, at the end of the installation, i think something crashed
[22:49] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, there will be a few inconsequential updates and bugfixes
[22:49] <chaos2fu> yeah my point, i have a laptop and using VGA output on it..when the cable is in it wont boot...
[22:49] <homerslice75> zetheroo: remix because, it's faster?
[22:49] <Koken> but i didnt check exactly what checked
[22:49] <chaos2fu> when the cable is out, it will boot..
[22:49] <zetheroo> homerslice75: created for netbooks
[22:50] <Koken> well, i think its a problem with grub.
[22:50] <innomen> arand, yes, the people in ubuntu tell me totally removing an app is impossible "by design"
[22:50] <chaos2fu> My thought was if it was the same problem for u to? cause i have nvidia too..
[22:50] <homerslice75> zetheroo: okay
[22:50] <quentusrex_> thanks bjsnider
[22:50] <zetheroo> I hope the Intel gfx support is better in KArmic
[22:50] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, and what about a dist-upgrade from 9.04?
[22:51] <chaos2fu> Koken; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/449202
[22:52] <Koken> chaos2fu: do you end up with a black screen with the word "GRUB" at the top left?
[22:52] <Koken> thats what happens with me
[22:52] <Koken> it says "GRUB" and i cant do anything
[22:52] <chaos2fu> No i end up with nothing at all, it goes through the grup countdown and then nothing happens..the LED for the harddrive aint showing any acitivites..
[22:52] <Koken> i dont even go to the ubuntu logo
[22:53] <chaos2fu> same here koken
[22:53] <Koken> but, my screen says "GRUB"
[22:53] <Koken> and all my computer does is say "GRUB" and i cant do anything
[22:53] <Byron> Koken: Is that all it says? No error message?
[22:53] <Koken> nope
[22:53] <Koken> just GRUB
[22:53] <Koken> when i boot it up
[22:54] <Byron> Koken: Is it a prompt?
[22:54] <Koken> no
[22:54] <Koken> i cant do anything with my keyboard when its like that
[22:54] <Koken> just the word "GRUB"
[22:54] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, it's not how i do it. i clean install
[22:54] <Byron> Can you obtain Super Grub Disk and boot from that?
[22:54] <arand> innomen: the data in your home folder is supposed to be indpendet of the sysadmin installing/removing/reinstalling applications globally... In a single-user interface it might make less sense though...
[22:54] <Koken> i am going to reinstall it once more: after its finished installing, apport pops up saying something crashed
[22:55]  * Koken pops in the cd and boots up
[22:55] <chaos2fu> This is for u koken; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/450493
[22:55] <Byron> Do you recall what fails, Koken?
[22:55] <chaos2fu> i think thats the problem..
[22:55] <Koken> once the error message reappears, i'll tell you again
[22:55] <Koken> i didnt read the error message
[22:55] <chaos2fu> good night everyboady...
[22:55] <Koken> and chaos2fu, i am pretty sure it isnt. it prolly has something to do with grub
[22:55] <chunknuts> good night
[22:56] <chaos2fu> ok anyway good luck,.then just reinstall or reconfigure grub..;-)
[22:56] <Koken> so, i'm going to try reinstalling, and then i'll read exactly what crashes at the end of the installation
[22:56] <HBX> quick question if you have the rc1 installed and then run the upgrade will it replace and upgrade everything..cause certain things are messed up like emrald doesnt work....
[22:57] <zetheroo> anyone know anything about Intel gfx in Karmic?
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> HBX: "maybe"  It should upgrade, but if things are still odd afterwards try a fresh install.
[22:58] <Byron> Too bad chaos2fu is gone. I was going to give thanks for that bug. that's something that I'm experiencing.
[22:58] <HBX> well im trying to avoid backing up and reinstalling ..i have it working nicely with all my apps
[22:59] <HBX> and i dont feel like writing a bash script to install everything ...too lazy today
[22:59] <Half-Left> I seem to be hitting a bug in kdm every so many boots with Kubuntu KK. The login screen shows and then seems to start loading the KDE splash screen, then shops at the Hard Drive icon(first icon to fade in)
[23:00] <Half-Left> stops*
[23:01] <Half-Left> a manual kill of kdm in the other TTY gives me the kdm login screen back
[23:04] <innomen> uninstalled via synaptic, "completely remove," sudo apt-get --purge remove empathy, sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get clean, Deleted the empathy folders in .config and .gconf/apps, deleted the .mission-control folder... reinstalled and it STILL remembered my account details lol
[23:05] <mzz> innomen: did you get ~/.config/Empathy too?
[23:05] <mzz> ah, sorry, you said you did
[23:06] <innomen> mzz, yup, no worries
[23:06] <innomen> :)
[23:06] <zetheroo> anyone using Karmic with Intel gfx?
[23:06] <mzz> innomen: assume you checked the app wasn't running after purging it and its config files?
[23:07] <innomen> mzz, well i closed it i didnt exactly scan the process list
[23:07] <mzz> (not just empathy but also whatever backend you're using)
[23:07] <innomen> backend?
[23:07] <mzz> well, I'm not currently using it, but iirc the part that talks to the network is a separate process
[23:08] <mzz> anything with "telepathy" in its name in the process list, basically.
[23:08] <innomen> too bad there isnt a revo unistaller for linux heh
[23:08] <mzz> ?
[23:11] <mzz> hmm, I guess getting windows (2000) to use a networked pulseaudio server on a different system would be nontrivial
[23:16] <innomen> empathy is awful
[23:16] <tag> Are there any fixes coming soon?  tilda segfaults on me and evolution-mapi continues to only *almost* work.
[23:16] <innomen> it wont even let me delete the accounts via the application itself
[23:16] <tag> innomen: amen
[23:16] <tag> innomen: I just removed it and installed pidgin
[23:17] <innomen> oh you didnt remove it
[23:17] <innomen> you only think you did
[23:17] <innomen> i assure you
[23:17]  * mzz shrugs
[23:17] <tag> well, I removed the package
[23:17] <tag> whatever that does
[23:17] <innomen> yea
[23:17] <mzz> I don't see it getting in the way *that* much if you're not using it
[23:17] <innomen> mzz, dude i dont like plaintext of ym account logins being buried on my syttem somewhere where i dont know where it is
[23:18] <innomen> thats a majori security risk
[23:18] <innomen> for all i know it'll get snapped up by some crash report and posted somewhere
[23:19]  * mzz shrugs, has way scarier things in ~
[23:19] <tag> mzz: I'm only bummed about empathy because I've always thought of ubuntu as best of breed...I figured this is why firefox was the default browser, rather than epiphany.  I'd hark the same should be true for pidgin vs. empathy, until empathy surpasses pidgin, I'd like to see pidgin there by default.  </opinion>
[23:19] <mzz> but yeah, ymmv and all that
[23:19] <mzz> I don't use either, so I'm really not that useful a person to talk to about this
[23:19] <domjohnson> bjour!
[23:19] <mzz> I tried it briefly for irc, but it doesn't really suit me
[23:20] <tag> It's no good for IRC.
[23:20] <mzz> well, not even exactly irc, I told it to connect to an irssi-proxy. Results were confusing at best.
[23:21] <tag> I wish evolution-mapi worked
[23:21] <chunknuts> I didn't realize empathy had problems
[23:21] <Kamilion> trying to figure out where the heck empathy/telepathy keeps it's account info right now
[23:22] <innomen> chunknuts, it buries your account detials somewhere and refuses to tell you where or delete them through the app or otherwise
[23:22] <chunknuts> lol
[23:22] <chunknuts> that sucks!
[23:22] <innomen> it sucks badly
[23:22] <chunknuts> is it in gconf?
[23:22] <innomen> i dont want my im logins ending up in a crash report somewhere for google to see
[23:23] <Kamilion> empathy asks telepathy to deal with the account  somehow
[23:23] <innomen> chunknuts, it has folders in gconf, config, and apprently local, but i dont have the local one and i deleted the other two, no dice
[23:23] <innomen> chunknuts, uninstalled via synaptic, "completely remove," sudo apt-get --purge remove empathy, sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get clean, Deleted the empathy folders in .config and .gconf/apps, deleted the .mission-control folder... reinstalled and it STILL remembered my account details lol
[23:24] <innomen> thats a repaste of what i said earlier
[23:24] <chunknuts> wow
[23:24] <chunknuts> scary
[23:24] <chunknuts> it's like Microsoft!
[23:24] <innomen> worse dude
[23:24] <innomen> revo uninstaller would ahve wiped it out
[23:24] <stpere> innomen: gconf?
[23:24] <stpere> oh
[23:25] <innomen> i could let it slide if empathy wasnt about to eb the default im client
[23:25] <MightyTweek> innomen: go into accessories>passwords and encryption keys... they're there, encrypted, in your keyring. Stop trying to scare people.
[23:25] <ThomasBerends> Hi, in how many hours will Ubuntu 9.10 be released??
[23:25] <innomen> MightyTweek, what are you talking about?
[23:25] <scott_ino2> does anyone know how i can verify VLC is actually using Xvideo and not something else?
[23:25] <tormod> ThomasBerends, wrong channel and wrong question
[23:26] <Kamilion> innomen: AHHA! FOUND IT!
[23:26] <Kamilion> Seahorse is managing the credentials.
[23:26] <innomen> MightyTweek, i dont see "passwords" in accessories
[23:26] <almoxarife> life without net neutrality-> http://i.imgur.com/5RrWm.png
[23:26] <chunknuts> lol!
[23:26] <Kamilion> The same thingy that stores SSH keys
[23:26] <innomen> Kamilion, so how do i kill them?
[23:26] <DonaldShimoda> ThomasBerends, when i ready i hope
[23:26] <Kamilion> Applications -> Accessories -> Passwords and Encryption Keys
[23:26] <scott_ino2> ThomasBerends, just go for it dude
[23:26] <Kamilion> or run 'seahorse'
[23:26] <DonaldShimoda> ThomasBerends, i mind: when IS ready
[23:27] <bjsnider> ThomasBerends, you can safely upgrade now
[23:27] <chunknuts> lol
[23:27] <innomen> Kamilion, i dont see that anywhere
[23:27] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, true, it works like a charm
[23:27] <ThomasBerends> bjsnider: i know that upgrading to the RC is possible (a)
[23:27] <Kamilion> innomen: then just run 'seahorse' (you are running ubuntu, right?)
[23:27] <innomen> yea i have seahorse up now
[23:28] <Kamilion> Should be under the "passwords" tab
[23:28] <innomen> what am i looking for? i only see two things
[23:28] <Kamilion> mine says "account: haze/yahoo/<myyahooname>, param: password"
[23:28] <innomen> they are both somewhat non descript
[23:28] <tormod> ThomasBerends, wrong, if you upgrade now you get final and not RC
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> tormod: huh? :\
[23:29] <joaopinto> !final | ThomasBerends
[23:29] <innomen> Kamilion, no mine doesn't show that just my wifi pass and my autologin
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> I didn't installed 9.10.. xD
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> well.. i tested the RC.. in a virtualmachine..
[23:29] <Kamilion> innomen: Basically, your passwords are safe. They're stored in the same place ubuntu uses to keep disk encryption keys, SSH keys, PGP keys, wireless WEP/WPA passwords
[23:30] <almoxarife> is the copy/cut/paste action on right click a per application script? what I am trying to figure out is if its possible to add 'search for' as an option universally in ubuntu??? any thoughts?
[23:30] <Kamilion> if they ain't in there, you got a bigger problem
[23:30] <innomen> Kamilion, well for my own viseral understanding i'd like to delete them and launch empathy and have ti act like its never been run
[23:30] <innomen> Kamilion, then i have the bigger problem
[23:30] <Dai> oh that's right, it's the 29th in GMT and east.
[23:30] <Kamilion> Well, then just wipe out every stored password in seahorse and see if it makes any difference. You can always put your wifi password back in.
[23:30] <innomen> Dai, its 7:30 eastern time
[23:31] <Dai> innomen: eastern time isn't GMT, is it?
[23:31] <innomen> Kamilion, but i knwo what these two are
[23:31] <innomen> Dai, i honeastly dont know heh
[23:31] <Dai> innomen: "and in time zones further east"
[23:31] <Dai> i could have worded that better
[23:32] <Kamilion> innomen: Sorry then, I've kinda reached my limit of hackin'.
[23:32] <Dai> but now will come the flood of "is it out?" people.  i should log here and #ubuntu and see how much i'd make if i actually did get a nickel for every time someone said that.
[23:32] <innomen> Kamilion, thats fine
[23:32] <Kamilion> innomen: Good luck tracking it any further though.
[23:33] <innomen> Kamilion, i'll just cross my fingers and hope where ever it went its encrypted
[23:34] <innomen> really sad though, makes you wonder how empathy got to be the default client haveing such a huge flaw
[23:34] <Kamilion> I don't consider that to be a flaw.
[23:34] <pipegeek> does this mean that if I continually ask "when", I can prolong this delicious state of anticipation indefinitely?
[23:34] <bjsnider> empathy had video support before pidgin did
[23:34] <Kamilion> I consider pidgin's practice of keeping crappily hashed passwords in ~/.purple/
[23:34] <Kamilion> to be much much worse.
[23:34] <innomen> Kamilion, well thats your opinion, i tend ot think my login details being someplace i dont know about is dangerous
[23:34] <pipegeek> what's the flaw?  out of curiosity
[23:34] <innomen> Kamilion, well at elast i knew where they were in pidgin
[23:35] <pipegeek> or, "flaw"
[23:35] <Kamilion> pipegeek: he's cheesed off cause empathy stores account info in seahorse
[23:35] <innomen> and could delete them if need be
[23:35] <pipegeek> aah
[23:35] <Kamilion> and it's hard to track down
[23:35] <innomen> Kamilion, uhh no it dosent
[23:35] <innomen> Kamilion, i'm looking at seahorse, empty
[23:35] <pipegeek> why is that a flaw?  I thought everything was supposed to
[23:35] <Kamilion> I ended up going through lsof and strace before I noticed it was talking to seahorse with a pipe
[23:35] <pipegeek> I thought that was the point
[23:35] <Kamilion> pipegeek: it is the point. But you can't please everyone.
[23:35] <innomen> pipegeek, yea if thats where they actually were
[23:35] <pipegeek> aah
[23:36] <Kamilion> I prefer empathy keeping it's passwords in the global password place.
[23:36] <innomen> Kamilion, are you halucinating? what part of "they arent in seahorse" is unclear?
[23:36] <Kamilion> pipegeek: for some reason his empathy accounts arn't showing up in seahorse.
[23:36] <pipegeek> gottit
[23:36] <joaopinto> incidence, empathy got default because it's better integrated with gnome and also it has better plans from a tecnhical perspective, not because it's better than pidgin at it's current state
[23:36] <Animagladius> Hi, ladies.
[23:36] <pipegeek> slightly worrisome
[23:36] <joaopinto> ops, was for innomen
[23:36] <innomen> joaopinto, cool
[23:37] <innomen> Kamilion, you say "for some reason" i say "because empathy has a huge hole" tomato tomato :)
[23:37] <pipegeek> also pidgin hasn't, to my knowledge, seen major feature development in a long time
[23:37] <pipegeek> particularly vv just didn't come and didn't come and didn't come
[23:37] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[23:37] <Animagladius> Yeah, it's somehow at one point for like... a year?
[23:37] <Kamilion> http://img88.yfrog.com/img88/540/screenshoty.png
[23:37] <Animagladius> Hi ShapeShifter499
[23:37] <Kamilion> innomen:  Unfortunately, if this was an LP bug, I'd have to mark it "works for me"
[23:38] <innomen> agreed, but at least pidgin sint going to result in my account details ending up buried in a crash report somewhere, if i dont knwo where they are i cant be assured they are encrypted
[23:38] <Animagladius> I hope that's not the standard design :D
[23:38] <innomen> Kamilion, only because you gave up
[23:38] <Kamilion> Okay, fine, "can't reproduce" then.
[23:38] <innomen> fair enough
[23:38] <Kamilion> not so much that I gave up, but I can't go any further because "it works for me" as http://img88.yfrog.com/img88/540/screenshoty.png shows
[23:39] <ShapeShifter499> I have a acer aspire one 8.9 inch netbook(sub-laptop) and I recently updated to 9.10 from 9.04 and installed the lxde desktop environment, now when I am in gnome pcman has been set as my main file manager, I don't want that when I boot into gnome, I want nautilus, how do I fix this?
[23:39] <innomen> Kamilion, but you never had my problem
[23:39] <innomen> Kamilion, you just went looking for the account details
[23:39] <Kamilion> True, but I did at least attempt to discover the nature of your problem.
[23:40] <innomen> Kamilion, did you delete yours and restart empathy?
[23:40] <pipegeek> innomen: if you find wherever your account details, then you will either have your answer or sufficient grounds to file a bug report
[23:40] <pipegeek> ... right?
[23:40] <pipegeek> *your account details are buried
[23:40] <Kamilion> innomen:  yeah, and it asked me to set up a new account.
[23:40] <innomen> pipegeek, i'm goign to make a bug report anyway
[23:40] <innomen> Kamilion, awesome, thats what i want mine to do >.<
[23:41] <MightyTweek> innomen: you didn't run seahorse as root by any chance, did you?
[23:41] <Kamilion> innomen: Ahha, relaunched empathy, and now I get "Network error" [Edit Account]
[23:41] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: i thing in system preferences u have an option to set default programs... check that out, or u could try to find in gconf-editor "file manager" or something like that
[23:41] <innomen> MightyTweek, i ran it via terminal without sudo
[23:41] <Kamilion> it remembered my username.
[23:41] <Kamilion> But my password is indeed gone.
[23:41] <innomen> Kamilion, so go find the user name, maybe that will sovle my issue
[23:41] <innomen> :P
[23:42] <joaopinto> innomen, knowing about your login info places doesnt make you safer, knowing that it's encrypted and password protected, like you have found know about empathy, that's protection
[23:42] <innomen> this is like registry entry leftovers
[23:42] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: ok hold on...
[23:42] <innomen> joaopinto, yea but how do i knwo that if i cant go look?
[23:42] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[23:42] <joaopinto> innomen, you know, we already told you where the account info is set
[23:42] <innomen> joaopinto, and i wiped out all those places
[23:43] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: oh..
[23:43] <Kamilion> innomen: Considering I'm at work right now, unless you've got $15, you're stuck with my 'free service' of 'if you don't like it <insert colorful epitaph here> yourself.'
[23:43] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: brb reading it now
[23:43] <joaopinto> innomen, so, what's your problem now ?
[23:43] <Kamilion> s/$15/$15 and a paypal account
[23:43] <joaopinto> does empathy still logs in ?
[23:43] <innomen> Kamilion, i ddint force you to step up
[23:43] <david__> Dai, Eastern Time is GMT -4 -- 7:30 Eastern Time is 11:30 GMT
[23:43] <Kamilion> I know, I'm just kidding mate.
[23:43] <innomen> Kamilion, oh, oky
[23:43] <innomen> :)
[23:43] <innomen> joaopinto, empathy refuses to forget my account details
[23:43] <Kamilion> Unlike others, I actually do have a sense of humor.
[23:44] <innomen> Kamilion, and tone is lost in flat text
[23:44] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/switch-to-a-lightweight-filemanager.html
[23:44] <Kamilion> At least, I think I do. I might have left it in my other pants.
[23:44] <Kamilion> yay, almost time to leave work
[23:44] <Dai> david__: then you've already gone off DST?
[23:45] <Dai> because a couple weeks ago i could have sworn it was -5
[23:45] <Dai> (and will be again after this weekend
[23:45] <Kamilion> Now to start packing up my firefox tabs so I can take them home with me.
[23:45] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: uh ok
[23:45] <joaopinto> innomen, does it shows your account details after removing ~/.mission-control/accounts/accounts.cfg, removing the keys from seahorse, and restarting your system ?
[23:45] <david__> Dai we're on DST -- when we're off it will be GMT -5 -- I told you the difference at this moment
[23:46] <Penol> is ubuntu 9.10 out ?
[23:46] <LjL> no
[23:46] <Penol> okej
[23:46] <joaopinto> !isitout
[23:46] <Kamilion> Penol: Out? Yes. Released? No.
[23:46] <innomen> joaopinto, why should i have to restart?
[23:46] <Dai> david__: ah ha
[23:46] <innomen> no i ddint ever reboot
[23:46] <BUGabundo> PARTTYYYYYY
[23:46] <joaopinto> innomen, because the credentials maybe cached in memory ?
[23:46] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: To stop Nautilus from managing your desktop:In Gconf-editor go apps->nautilus->preferences.Scoll down till you see the "show desktop" item and unselect it. so if u do backwards you can change it back
[23:46] <BUGabundo> bunny killing
[23:46] <Kamilion> I think QA's working on a final couple snags with ubuiquity
[23:46] <innomen> and my passwords have yet to show up in seahorse
[23:46] <BUGabundo> or is it kitten ?!?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: some mirrors already have it and are exposing it to the world
[23:47] <Dai> BUGabundo: bunny punchings are reserved for people that use Comic Sans
[23:47] <joaopinto> innomen, and btw, doesn't the account delete button works for you on empathy ?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Dai: you kill me
[23:47] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: it can be done by different ways... so just google hheehehe
[23:47] <innomen> joaopinto, nope, they delete and then when i reopen the window they are back (two of each)
[23:47] <pipegeek> don't punch bunnies!
[23:48] <Kamilion> QA signed off?
[23:48] <Kamilion> Huh. *goes to scan mirror.kernel.org*
[23:48] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: no idea
[23:48] <pipegeek> punch people who use comic sans
[23:48] <innomen> thats what started this mess when they imported from pidgin it made two of each
[23:48] <BUGabundo> but its on the rzync servers already
[23:48] <joaopinto> innomen, so better file the bug report, and/or join #empathy :)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I shouldn't be saying this on this #, should I ?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:48] <localnnuser__> what time is 9.10 supposed to be out?
[23:48] <Kamilion> Eh, I'll wait for the torrents to be generated.
[23:49] <joaopinto> localnnuser__, there is no specific time
[23:49] <Kamilion> then I can use my massive work connection to seed.
[23:49] <innomen> joaopinto, #empathy is uncrowded :)
[23:49] <joaopinto> it will be on the next 48h
[23:49] <BUGabundo> localnnuser__: no one knows
[23:49] <joaopinto> innomen, read the source :P
[23:49] <innomen> eh?
[23:49] <innomen> the source to/of what
[23:49] <RomD> will there be any more updates if I already have the RC which is currently up-to-date?
[23:49] <scott_ino2> im confused why people don't upgrade already
[23:49] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: torrent already on private tracker of ubuntu :)
[23:50] <joaopinto> incidence, that's the beauty about open source, either you find someone who knows to fix it, or you can check the source code and figure yourself :)
[23:50] <innomen> RomD, good question
[23:50] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: how much to you have?
[23:50] <innomen> joaopinto, oh lmao
[23:50] <localnnuser__> RomD: if u keep updating ull have lastest ubuntu...
[23:50] <Kamilion> BUGabundo: gigabit.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> at home or office?
[23:50] <Kamilion> I'm watching http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ right now ;)
[23:50] <Kamilion> office.
[23:50] <RomD> ok. wouldn't make sense to push tons of updates just because it's the release date I guess
[23:50] <BUGabundo> cause I'm stuck on 2g/3g tonigh
[23:50] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: I want pcman file manager to stop managing the folder clicks in PLACES in the ubuntu menu
[23:50] <Kamilion> I work at NASA Ames Research.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> and ti sucks
[23:50] <innomen> so tommarow what ubunut falvor willt his channel be supporting?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[23:51] <scott_ino2> Kamilion, must be nice
[23:51] <scott_ino2> ;)
[23:51] <Kamilion> scott_ino2: I get $15 an hour and people bothering me all day. I wish it was nicer.
[23:51] <BUGabundo> well I work at a datacenter
[23:51] <BUGabundo> and we have clients on 10gbit
[23:51] <RomD> localnnuser__: I know, I meant whether they are holding back some updates which will be available on the release date (for whatever reason)
[23:51] <scott_ino2> Kamilion, yeah but you get pipes
[23:51] <innomen> Kamilion, i have a food card and my ktichen ceiling is caving in, i saved up for having a tooth pulled and haveing it replaced is simply outside my price range, be grateful
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: don't compaling. you get more then me
[23:52] <localnnuser__> RomD: probably...
[23:52] <scott_ino2> I can't complain I get a solid 1.8MB/s down... nowhere near gigabit but still pretty good for a house
[23:52] <MightyTweek> innomen: Lucid Lynx! Well, eventually.
[23:52] <localnnuser__> RomD: but still i think, this is the most solid version of ubuntu ive ever had... pretty amazed
[23:53] <Kamilion> innomen: Haha, you're in the same boat I am. Only I've got three molars that need to come out and I need new glasses, need to buy a crappy used car, and the damned bus in the bay area is $2.00 for a single-ride
[23:53] <localnnuser__> RomD: im still missing some packages like symphony though
[23:53] <KB1JWQ> Kamilion: Credit the teeth if you have to, it's better than walking around in agony.
[23:53] <innomen> Kamilion, no
[23:53] <RomD> I agree localnnuser__. there is an annoying bug in nautilus and gnome-panel, but it's still a great release
[23:54] <innomen> KB1JWQ, maxed out my meager credit dealing with one
[23:54] <Kamilion> BUGabundo:  If you have a chance, would you mind PMing me a link to the torrents? It'd be nice to have 'em on hand to seed, as I have my torrent client watching for the .torrent files to appear.
[23:54] <innomen> no such thing as emergency dental care int eh states. dentists=vinnie with a bat, pay or pain
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> innomen: News to me.
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: no access to them right now
[23:54] <localnnuser__> RomD: couldnt tell about any bugs for gnome, by the way what are they?, im ussing kde...
[23:54] <Kamilion> KB1JWQ: I wish, but the subcontractor I work for has crap for dental plan. Massive co-pay
[23:54] <BUGabundo> but get a daily
[23:54] <RomD> and fortunately the jaunty ppa for amarok 1.4 works on karmic, too
[23:54] <BUGabundo> should be final
[23:54] <montamer> hi ........ i just found this link "http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso" is it the final release????
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> Kamilion: Look into Care Credit.  Interest isn't horrid, and it's for things like this.
[23:55] <bjsnider> RomD, what about amarok2?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> montamer: don't PUBLISH LINKS
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> !isitout | montamer
[23:55] <KB1JWQ> innomen: Most are human.  Talk to them, be up front about your situation.  Most will hammer out a deal.
[23:55] <Kamilion> Eh, I could just go hit QA's iso cache, they're usually newer than the dailys and if they've signed off on release, the last QA image should be the final.
[23:55] <BUGabundo> damn it
[23:55] <joaopinto> montamer, no
[23:55] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, what about the cd server daily build?
[23:55] <RomD> bjsnider: I hate it
[23:55] <BUGabundo> you guys should know that
[23:55] <innomen> KB1JWQ, you'd be surprised
[23:55] <Kamilion> BUGabundo: Could you perhaps gimme the sha1sums for the ones you know of?
[23:55] <bjsnider> RomD, hate is such a strong word
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: we know that, but don't tell *everyoneP
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: all I have right now are daily
[23:56] <BUGabundo> so you have those too
[23:56] <Koken> can someone pm me? ubuntu 9.10 rc will not boot after i install it
[23:56] <RomD> localnnuser__: I'm using a rather rare setup with three separated x screens on three monitors and nautilus and gome-panel don't play well there in the latest version. shouldn't matter for 99% of the ubuntu users though.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> and a rsync serve
[23:56] <BUGabundo> *server
[23:56] <BUGabundo> which you also have
[23:56] <montamer> sorry for putting the link here ....... i got the link in some website and was just wiondering
[23:56] <montamer> as it supposed to releease on 29
[23:56] <joaopinto> montamer, you need to be carefull it could be a virus :D
[23:56] <localnnuser__> RomD: sorry about that hehe
[23:56] <scott_ino2> what's a virus
[23:56] <montamer> lol :)
[23:56] <scott_ino2> ;)
[23:56] <joaopinto> montamer, yes, and that's a long day, 24h
[23:57] <joaopinto> with timezones, 48
[23:57] <RomD> bjsnider: I hate it compared to amarok 1.4. the interface is so counterintuitive. amarok 1.4 is by far the best player I have used so far.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> guys lets keep this # clear for support , ok ?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> for release join #ubuntu-release-party
[23:57] <RomD> for me amarok 2 is a regression
[23:58] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, yes sir
[23:58] <bjsnider> RomD, i hear that a lot. not sure why since i use banshee
[23:58] <BUGabundo> and remember, every time asks if it is out, a bunnie dies :)
[23:58] <bjsnider> don't want the kdelibs on here
[23:58] <bjsnider> they're an infection
[23:59] <RomD> I normally prefer gnome applications, too, but amarok and kaffeine are the exception
[23:59] <RomD> sorry BUGabundo