| genii | Is there a decent channel or resource to find out what is available for ARM platforms? | 00:00 |
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| genii | (more specifically Cortex A8) | 00:01 |
| jdong | who in ~core-dev usually cares about Transmission (the bittorrent client)? | 00:06 |
| jdong | in bug 460620, people are reporting that private trackers are starting to ban transmission <=1.75 | 00:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 460620 in transmission "Transmission Version 1.76 is Available" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460620 | 00:06 |
| jdong | in which case, 1.76 is a fairly unintrusive, bugfix-only minor release. | 00:07 |
| jdong | it may be worth sticking that into -proposed. | 00:07 |
| ajmitch | jdong: they're banning something only a couple of days after a new version is released? | 00:37 |
| jdong | ajmitch: it doesn't make much sense to me either | 00:38 |
| ajmitch | the world of bittorrent is full of crack | 00:38 |
| jdong | yeah private torrent trackers are some sort of black magic groupthink. | 00:39 |
| lifeless | ogra: whats up with http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Ubuntu_9.0.4_Plug_Computer_Distribution saying karmic isn't supported? | 01:01 |
| ebroder | Is there a reason that Karmic has a Debian-native source package but a non-native version number? | 01:16 |
| lifeless | ebroder: EPARSE | 01:16 |
| ebroder | Err, sorry - typo. "Is there a reason that Karmic's dbus has a Debian-native..." | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | someone made a mistake in the upload? | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | or it could be intentional, it looks like it goes back a few revisions | 01:19 |
| ebroder | Looks like it started with the first 1.2.16 upload | 01:20 |
| ebroder | The 1.2.14 releases had .diff.gzs | 01:20 |
| ebroder | I'll file a bug | 01:22 |
| jdong | looks to me like it "accidentally" mutated into a debian-native package :) | 01:23 |
| ebroder | Agreed | 01:23 |
| * jdong starts a bzr-related conspiracy theory! | 01:23 | |
| ajmitch | though if it's in bzr, it should at least mention that somewhere in the package | 01:25 |
| ebroder | bug #462326 if you want to follow along | 01:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462326 in dbus "dbus has non-Debian-native version number but Debian-native package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462326 | 01:25 |
| hyperair | is there any way at all to get the $host string as autotools' configure sees it, from, say dpkg-architecture? | 01:54 |
| lifeless | apparently we're meant to for all packages nowadays | 02:00 |
| lifeless | I haven't looked up the $foo to do that | 02:00 |
| hyperair | well yeah | 02:04 |
| hyperair | but the problem is configure detects i486-pc-linux-gnu | 02:04 |
| hyperair | and dpkg-architecture says i486-linux-gnu | 02:04 |
| * hyperair grumbles. why can't it all just be standardized already?! | 02:04 | |
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| zooko | doko__: good job identifying that GNU assembler patch. | 02:23 |
| Rovanion | How do I get hold of makeinfo? | 02:37 |
| TheMuso | Rovanion: Its in texinfo I think. | 02:40 |
| Rovanion | Thank you, and what's the package name for the c++ g++ compiler? | 02:41 |
| Rovanion | I found it, build-essential | 02:42 |
| ScottK | zooko: So you got it firgured out? | 02:51 |
| zooko | doko has isolated the change to binutils that causes the problem and opened a ticket with them. That's progress. | 02:52 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 02:52 |
| ScottK | zooko: Any way to figure out if there are affected packages in the archive? I'd guess there are ... | 02:54 |
| zooko | I have no idea, but you're right that this should be investigated. | 03:06 |
| zooko | The first thing we can do is exclude all packages that were built before the bad binutils version. | 03:06 |
| zooko | The next thing is that as far as we know this affects only assembly code, not C or C+. | 03:06 |
| zooko | C++. | 03:06 |
| zooko | But I have almost no understanding of the actual issue in binutils. | 03:06 |
| zooko | I'm tired and I'm feeling the strong urge to play a game. | 03:08 |
| zooko | Buuut I guess there are a few important tasks for my open source project that I should do first... | 03:08 |
| zooko | Hm, I see that Alan Modra posted an example on http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10856 | 03:13 |
| ubottu | sourceware.org bug 10856 in gas "[2.20 regression] gas creates wrong code which results in a test failure in libcrypto++'s sha2 test" [Normal,New] | 03:13 |
| zooko | If I understand correctly this issue affects only asm code with ".intel_syntax". | 03:14 |
| zooko | I can't stand it anymore. I'm giving into my craving and starting a game of Dungeon Crawl. | 03:20 |
| scarface[94] | hi guys. just wondering what time i will be able to update to 'karmic koala', no the RC. Preferably in AEDST. | 06:53 |
| TheMuso | scarface[94]: If you intend to update your system via apt-get upgrade, thats possible now. | 06:54 |
| scarface[94] | to the final release, not the RC? | 06:54 |
| StevenK | scarface[94]: Your best bet is to wait for the release annoucement | 06:56 |
| hyperair | YokoZar: ping | 07:04 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:05 |
| hyperair | YokoZar: is it okay if i use i486-linux-gnu (what dpkg-architecture returns) instead of i486-pc-linux-gnu (what configure detects and places in $host)? | 07:05 |
| hyperair | for ia32-libs, that is | 07:05 |
| hyperair | morning dholbach =) | 07:05 |
| dholbach | hey hyperair | 07:05 |
| hyperair | =) | 07:06 |
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| mvo | Riddell: bug #444979 seems to be relatively frequent on kubuntu upgrades :/ I get it here in my test machine too | 08:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 444979 in fuse "fuse-utils postinst fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444979 | 08:31 |
| SteveA | has something changed in ssh timeouts for karmic? | 08:35 |
| SteveA | I'm getting idle ssh connections closed, and they weren't doing that a few weeks ago | 08:36 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:47 |
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| soren | cjwatson: If I have suggestions for * Colin (I just helped a bit) interviewed all the members of ~motu that are not ~ubuntu-core-dev yet and asked which future permissions they need. | 09:19 |
| soren | Whoops. | 09:19 |
| soren | Gah.. | 09:20 |
| soren | cjwatson: If I have suggestions for http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/packagesets, what do I do? | 09:20 |
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| soren | cjwatson: Just tell you here or is this tracked somewhere else where I can propose it? | 09:21 |
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| cjwatson | soren: preferably not at all, they're automatically generated from seeds | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | I don't ever want to be maintaining that by hand, and I wish that Daniel had not advertised it | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | people are not supposed to need to look at that directly - it's an intermediate file | 09:22 |
| soren | cjwatson: Ah, sorry. | 09:23 |
| cjwatson | there are tools to look at the sets in Launchpad, which we should brush up and make easier to use | 09:23 |
| cjwatson | try lp:ubuntu-archive-tools, you can use edit_acl.py for this | 09:23 |
| soren | cjwatson: So.. Although they're based on something called seeds, this is different from the current seeds, right? If I propose adding a package to ubuntu-server, will that change anything in terms of expected support level, or is it simply about upload rights? | 09:25 |
| cjwatson | can I get back to you about this later please? | 09:25 |
| soren | Certainly. | 09:25 |
| cjwatson | briefly, though, there is only one meaning of "seeds" involved here | 09:25 |
| soren | I'll ping you later. Forget about it. | 09:25 |
| Mamarok | hi, I just added a comment to this bug report, seems there is a hard limitation to a max. of 1024 open files that causes crashes on various applications needing databases: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/417025 | 09:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 417025 in ubuntu "CRON stacks processes and system eventually becomes unresponsive due to too many open files" [Undecided,New] | 09:25 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: seb128 I subscribed you both since it affects both KDE and Gnome apps AFAICT | 09:26 |
| seb128 | Mamarok, I've no clue about that issue but that doesn't seem a GNOME bug | 09:29 |
| ogra | lifeless, it's true ... we only support armv6 and above with karmic, the gcc default config is set to build with armv6 and vfp | 09:51 |
| Tm_T | ogra: hmm, wasn't it that way before too? | 09:55 |
| ogra | Tm_T, jaunty was v5 and only a selected bunch of packages was compiled with vfp (libc etc ..) | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | roger | 09:56 |
| * Tm_T is with v4 device so wouldn't notice any difference (; | 09:57 | |
| pitti | ScottK: there are still two universe uploads in the queue; do you still think they are fine to go in? or should they be rejected and become SRUs? | 09:58 |
| slangasek | pitti: ScottK has re-delegated those decisions to us | 10:04 |
| slangasek | pitti: I only see one universe package in the -release queue, though | 10:04 |
| pitti | ah, lmms is -proposed, right | 10:04 |
| Chipzz | Mamarok: your assertion that that is a hard limit is false | 10:40 |
| Chipzz | since it can be configured | 10:41 |
| Chipzz | add a value for fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf (http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec72.html) | 10:43 |
| Chipzz | Mamarok: may I suggest you do your homework properly next time? ;P | 10:44 |
| dholbach | pitti: bug 429322 has A LOT of duplicates | 10:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 429322 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent assert failure: ERROR:iop-profiles.c:606:IOP_generate_profiles: assertion failed: (obj && (obj->profile_list == NULL) && obj->orb)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429322 | 10:54 |
| dholbach | looks like a new record :) | 10:55 |
| pitti | 158 dups? hmm, could be | 10:59 |
| YokoZar | hyperair: probably, I'm not sure if there's an established standard as it is | 11:10 |
| hyperair | YokoZar: alright then | 11:11 |
| dholbach | pitti: I personally think it might be just something that happens during shutdown | 11:14 |
| joaopinto | does anyone know the bug nr for the unuable VTs ? | 11:14 |
| dholbach | pitti: and apport popping up on next login | 11:15 |
| pitti | dholbach: yeah, I guess we'd have noticed much earlier if it was genuinely broken; I guess pretty much every developer on gnome will use that | 11:15 |
| joaopinto | unusable | 11:15 |
| dholbach | pitti: how does the traceback look to you? | 11:16 |
| dholbach | it didn't seem to be much to do with seahorse-plugins? something changed in gtk dealing with iconsets and stuff? | 11:17 |
| pitti | it doesn't tell me anything, I'm afraid | 11:19 |
| pitti | I'll ask Robert about it | 11:19 |
| dholbach | pitti: maybe we can make pedro_ fix bug 429322 | 11:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 429322 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent assert failure: ERROR:iop-profiles.c:606:IOP_generate_profiles: assertion failed: (obj && (obj->profile_list == NULL) && obj->orb)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429322 | 11:22 |
| dholbach | I'm sure he can do it | 11:22 |
| pitti | dholbach: I assigned it to robert_ancell for now; if you think that pedro can, feel free to reassign ;) | 11:25 |
| pedro_ | dholbach, pitti I'm not *too* sure about that :-P | 11:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach, crashes in iconset functions are usually corruptions | 11:26 |
| pedro_ | dholbach, i'll fix it if you give me the patch, sure :-) | 11:26 |
| seb128 | dholbach, ie need valgrind | 11:26 |
| seb128 | pedro_, and by fix you mean assign the bug to me for reviewing the changes? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | and upload too | 11:26 |
| pedro_ | seb128, you got it ;-) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | lol | 11:27 |
| dholbach | :-) | 11:27 |
| kevix1 | I was compiling a program on jaunty, I ran the configure script and the script said some file was not present. but I checked the script and it was looking for the file only if it was '-x'. the file was present but not '-x'. So I chmod +x the file, and this make the configure script finish. should the file /usr/lib/libSDL_ttf* be +x? if so, I should file a bug? | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | libraries should not normally be +x. sounds like a configure script bug | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | (libc is an exception to this, before you say :-) ) | 11:59 |
| kevix1 | oh. the famously red-haired cj watson. wow, that is great service :) | 12:00 |
| kevix1 | ok. that was my inclination. | 12:01 |
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| tordne | @jstrand: hey JStrand, last time you answered me on my problem for apparmor | 12:50 |
| tordne | @jstrand: after two days looking on internet i just uninstalled it | 12:51 |
| tordne | @jstrand: I just wanted to try again and as you said it wasn't include in my /boot/config.2.6.* file | 12:52 |
| tordne | so I searched in the other config files and just copied the few lines from apparmor in the file currently used | 12:53 |
| tordne | now after restarting it said that the module was loaded | 12:53 |
| tordne | @jstrand: so thanks for the tip | 12:53 |
| jdstrand | tordne: great :) | 12:53 |
| snth | I changed the label for my SWAP partition and made sure to change it in /etc/fstab. However, after I reboot the kernel says that it can't resume from "the old-label" .. but everything else works fine. | 13:01 |
| snth | Does anyone know where is this old label at? How can I change it? | 13:01 |
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| soren | snth: /etc/initramfs/conf.d/resume, I would guess. | 13:13 |
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| ScottK | doko_: Do we need to worry about having misbuilt packages in the archive due to 461303? | 15:00 |
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| doko_ | ScottK: if packages directly code asm, using intel syntax, yes. I doubt these are many | 15:03 |
| ScottK | I suppose no easy way to find out? | 15:03 |
| doko_ | you could search for .intel_syntax | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Now if only I had an local mirror... | 15:10 |
| doko_ | maybe mvo can help, I think he has some scripts | 15:11 |
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| Mamarok | Chipzz: sorry, had to run | 15:23 |
| Mamarok | also, you probalby misread what I said | 15:23 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: just because one can confugre it, doesn't mean the default is set correctly, and it definitely is too low, check the number of crash reports with that error message | 15:24 |
| markey | ahoy | 15:25 |
| mvo | bug #461303 | 15:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461303 in binutils "generates-bad-code regression" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461303 | 15:25 |
| Chipzz | the bug-report doesn't even mention that it's about the default | 15:25 |
| kees | doko_: I can do that search | 15:26 |
| Chipzz | you say: this doesn't work, it's a bug. | 15:26 |
| Chipzz | which it isn't, it's a default that doesn't happen to work for you | 15:26 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: that is not my report, I added a comment, read that | 15:26 |
| mvo | doko_, ScottK: I can create a script that crawles the archive for this, but I expect it will take a very long time to complete | 15:26 |
| kees | mvo, doko_, ScottK: I have a local mirror, existing scripts, and 4 CPUs. I'll have it in about an hour. | 15:27 |
| mvo | cool, thanks kees | 15:27 |
| ScottK | kees: Excellent. | 15:27 |
| markey | Chipzz: may I suggest that you think before writing? | 15:27 |
| markey | I hear that helps | 15:27 |
| markey | just because you can change it doesn't make it a good default | 15:28 |
| markey | or sane in any way | 15:28 |
| markey | 1024 was a good default.. 1995 | 15:28 |
| markey | computers have changed, our use cases have changed | 15:28 |
| Chipzz | markey: say what? | 15:29 |
| Chipzz | markey: may I suggest YOU think before writing? | 15:30 |
| markey | go ahead | 15:30 |
| Chipzz | markey: ubuntu can be installed as a desktop, as a server, as a mythtv backend/frontend... | 15:30 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: you can't expect all users to know how to change that or even to know why their applications crash | 15:30 |
| Mamarok | and we talk about dektop applications that everybody uses, noobs | 15:31 |
| Chipzz | there is no such thing as one default which works for everyone of those use-cases, so the ubuntu devs probably choose the one which consumed the least resources by default | 15:31 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: you one of these devs? | 15:31 |
| Chipzz | no, but I have substantial experience with debian and ubuntu, and have done quite a bit of unofficial packaging | 15:32 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: *sigh* | 15:32 |
| Chipzz | actually I'm going to correct myself here | 15:33 |
| Chipzz | the 1024 default isn't even a default chosen by the ubuntu devs, it is the default which originates from the kernel | 15:33 |
| Keybuk | 1024 is the default for what? | 15:35 |
| Chipzz | Mamarok: and for the record, I just reread your report. Unless my reading comprehension is failing me, you do not mention this is about a default | 15:35 |
| Chipzz | Keybuk: maximum number of open files | 15:35 |
| Keybuk | if any software considers that a limit, that's a bug in the software | 15:35 |
| Chipzz | Keybuk: fs.max-file sysctl | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | Chipzz: has nothing to do with that value ;) | 15:36 |
| Mamarok | Keybuk: it is the default value in Ubuntu, and this is defintely too low for software that uses databases | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | Mamarok: then file bugs upstream on those pieces of software for not handling -ENOFILE properly | 15:36 |
| Keybuk | 1024 is a soft limit, the hard limit is over 1,000 times higher | 15:37 |
| Keybuk | apps are quite free to raise their own limit | 15:37 |
| Chipzz | Keybuk: Mamarok was claiming this was a hard limit, not me :) | 15:38 |
| Mamarok | Chipzz: I never did, I just said the default value was too low | 15:38 |
| slangasek | and what kind of database requires more than 1024 file descriptors? | 15:38 |
| Chipzz | Mamarok: you most certainly did | 15:38 |
| slangasek | A large database /engine/, perhaps, with dozens of dbs, but you don't say that | 15:38 |
| Keybuk | /proc/sys/fs/nr_open contains the hard limit | 15:38 |
| Chipzz | 10:25 < Mamarok> hi, I just added a comment to this bug report, seems there is a hard limitation to a max. of 1024 open files that causes crashes on various applications needing databases: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/417025 | 15:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 417025 in ubuntu "CRON stacks processes and system eventually becomes unresponsive due to too many open files" [Undecided,New] | 15:38 |
| Keybuk | the default soft limit is "low" to stop buggy software from consuming vast amounts of kernel memory by opening files | 15:39 |
| Mamarok | well, wrong wording on my side then, still the default value is too low IMHO | 15:40 |
| Keybuk | the fact that your software fails to handle the returned errno certainly classifies it as buggy | 15:40 |
| Chipzz | Keybuk: am I misreading http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec72.html then? "The file-max file /proc/sys/fs/file-max sets the maximum number of file-handles that the Linux kernel will allocate. We generally tune this file to improve the number of open files by increasing the value of /proc/sys/fs/file-max to something reasonable..." | 15:40 |
| Keybuk | Mamarok: in my very un-humble opinion, the limit is perfect | 15:40 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: what does 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' say on your system? | 15:41 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@sophos:~$ cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max | 15:42 |
| Chipzz | 101699 | 15:42 |
| slangasek | that's distinctly not 1024 | 15:42 |
| Keybuk | Chipzz: that number gets a bit randomly set ;) | 15:42 |
| slangasek | the only limit that's 1024 is the soft ulimit | 15:42 |
| Chipzz | not sure if that's the default though, but only ubuntu box I have access to right away ;) | 15:42 |
| slangasek | so as Keybuk says, it's an application bug | 15:43 |
| Chipzz | chipzz@sophos:~$ ulimit -n | 15:43 |
| Chipzz | 1024 | 15:43 |
| Keybuk | that's still a soft limit ;) | 15:43 |
| Chipzz | yeah, just saying where the 1024 value comes from | 15:43 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: the default for file-max is calculated by the kernel taking the size of your available memory and shooting cosmic rays at it | 15:43 |
| Chipzz | cosmic rays uh? :) | 15:44 |
| slangasek | yes, to randomly flip bits | 15:44 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: is there actually a way of setting the default soft-limit for non-login shells? | 15:44 |
| slangasek | depends on what it is that you're trying to set a limit on | 15:45 |
| slangasek | if it's cron as the bug title suggests, then /etc/pam.d/cron already calls pam_limits | 15:45 |
| slangasek | so /etc/security/limits.conf is your friend | 15:45 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: general daemons started at bootup | 15:46 |
| * Mamarok should probably have filed a separate bug, then... | 15:46 | |
| Chipzz | slangasek: I've run into a problem where a daemon like nginx requires more than the default number of handles, and I can't get it to work out of he box | 15:46 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: well, the problem is more: make sure it works without restarting the daemon. because if I log in to the box, make sure ulimit is set corectly etc, and restart the daemon, it gets the correct values. just never when booting | 15:47 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: usually a 'ulimit' call in the init script; upstart jobs also support setting ulimits with a 'limit' directive; I don't think trying to change the soft limit system-wide is the right way to address this | 15:48 |
| Chipzz | which results in having to manually log in after each reboot | 15:48 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: hacky :S | 15:48 |
| slangasek | no | 15:48 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: hacking an init script to include a call to ulimit is sth I'ld rather avoid ;) | 15:49 |
| slangasek | then convert it to an upstart job | 15:50 |
| slangasek | or fix the daemon to do something sensible on its own | 15:50 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: actually this is on a debian system so I guess off-topic for this chan ;) | 15:51 |
| Keybuk | limit nofile 1048576 1048576 | 15:51 |
| Keybuk | upstart ftw | 15:51 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: upstart, coming soon to a Debian release near you | 15:52 |
| Chipzz | slangasek: oh? debian converting to upstart too? | 15:52 |
| Mamarok | just so you know, guys, there are roughly 20 open bugs on Launchpad that all refer to that very problem | 15:52 |
| Chipzz | I must have missed the memo ;) | 15:52 |
| kees | doko_: here is main: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/29735 universe is still running | 15:52 |
| slangasek | Chipzz: once a compatibility mode is available for the non-Linux ports | 15:54 |
| doko_ | kees: none of these were built after the binutils upload, and binutils itself is a false positive (testsuite) | 15:57 |
| kees | sure, I think gccxml is a false positive too (it just emits it, doesn't use it itself) | 15:57 |
| kees | I'm getting a lot more hits in universe. up to "r" currently. | 15:58 |
| tordne | tordne | 16:03 |
| kees | doko_: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/29738 universe | 16:06 |
| kees | doko_: no hits in multiverse | 16:06 |
| doko_ | kees: what do you mean by "hits"? | 16:07 |
| kees | doko_: no file in the contents of a source package in multiverse contained ".intel_syntax" | 16:08 |
| doko_ | ahh, did misread this for universe. | 16:09 |
| doko_ | ScottK: well, then just check the list to see if any of those was uploaded after binutils 20091014 did enter the archive | 16:09 |
| ScottK | Will do. | 16:10 |
| ScottK | doko_ and kees: If the bad binutils will cause a bad build of binutils, how do we fix it? | 16:11 |
| ScottK | Since that's the first one on the list .... | 16:12 |
| * kees doesn't know about that | 16:13 | |
| doko_ | ScottK: these are false positives (the testsuite has test cases) | 16:14 |
| ScottK | doko_: Good to hear. | 16:14 |
| * ScottK relaxes | 16:14 | |
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| ScottK | doko_ and kees: Main is clear. | 16:19 |
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| doko_ | ScottK: yes, I checked for that, just not universe | 16:25 |
| ScottK | doko_ and kees: Universe is clear too. Closest hit was two days before. | 16:26 |
| ScottK | kees: Thanks for doing the search. | 16:26 |
| kees | ScottK: sure, no problemo | 16:28 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: should such a thing happen, we'd produce temporary build chroots with an older binutils put on hold, and push through a binutils build | 16:43 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks. | 16:44 |
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| rbrito | Hi there. | 17:20 |
| rbrito | Is there anything that can be done to get live CDs for the ports? | 17:20 |
| rbrito | Especially regarding powerpc? | 17:20 |
| rbrito | Some of the ports' CDs have not been auto-built for some time now. :-( | 17:20 |
| rbrito | And I would sincerely love to have a new operating system for my iBook G3. | 17:21 |
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| rbrito | If anybody needs a hand, I'm here to help a little bit. I'm a Debian Maintainer, if that means anything. | 17:22 |
| rbrito | And I care about the PowerPC platform. | 17:23 |
| rbrito | (Actually, I care about some of what people would treat as second-class citizens). | 17:23 |
| rbrito | I've been keeping an eye on the live images for PowerPC and it seems that both Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu images are oversized. | 17:28 |
| rbrito | Also, the non-live images are oversized. | 17:29 |
| sebner | rbrito: hasn't ubuntu dropped ppc support? So nobody cares for oversized stuff, be happy that you can find that stuff still ^^ | 17:30 |
| rbrito | BTW, talking about ports, are the ports archives mirrored? | 17:30 |
| Riddell | rbrito: I fear you are too late for this cycle, there's less than a day until release. but in general people to test the images and fix whatever the issues are with them are welcome | 17:30 |
| rbrito | Riddell, I've filed at least one bug some days ago. | 17:31 |
| Riddell | rbrito: very few developers currently care about powerpc, I think it needs someone to fix the bugs rather than just report them | 17:31 |
| rbrito | sebner, As I understood it, the ports support would be offered on a best-effort basis. | 17:31 |
| ccheney | wow garmin is taking a beating from google today | 17:31 |
| sebner | rbrito: well official supported ports != ports available | 17:32 |
| rbrito | Riddell, any pointers for how the images are auto-built? | 17:32 |
| rbrito | sebner, Thanks, I know that. | 17:32 |
| ScottK | rbrito: For this cycle the images are what they are. It's acutally a testement to work on ports that there are live CD images at all. It's been several releases since we managed that. | 17:33 |
| Riddell | rbrito: there are seeds at launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds which create the meta packages of what should go on the CDs. CDs are built with cdimage (also somewhere in launchpad) | 17:33 |
| ScottK | They should work OK if you burn them on a dvd. | 17:33 |
| rbrito | Riddell, Thanks for the pointer. I didn't know about the modus operandi of creation of Ubuntu images. | 17:34 |
| rbrito | ScottK, no DVD reader here on my iBook. | 17:34 |
| rbrito | Anyway, I'm offering some man-hours, if that's welcome. :-) | 17:35 |
| rbrito | I'd be glad to contribute in one way or another. | 17:35 |
| rbrito | Even if it doesn't make it the 9.10 release. | 17:36 |
| rbrito | (Say, if it made it to the first point release, I would be happy). | 17:36 |
| slangasek | there are no point releases of 9.10 | 17:36 |
| ScottK | rbrito: We can work on it for 10.04 though. | 17:36 |
| ScottK | rbrito: Can your iBook boot to USB? | 17:37 |
| rbrito | slangasek, so, things are different regarding to Debian, vorlon? | 17:37 |
| slangasek | rbrito: sure, a release every 6 months is different from Debian | 17:37 |
| rbrito | ScottK, I think that I can, but I will have to mess with Open Firmware... | 17:38 |
| rbrito | slangasek, I had the impression that Ubuntu had point releases. Is that only for your long term releases? | 17:38 |
| ScottK | I've no idea about Mac stuff, but you can burn the image to a USB card/stick. | 17:38 |
| ScottK | rbrito: That's correct. Only LTS | 17:38 |
| rbrito | ScottK, right. Nice to know about it. | 17:38 |
| rbrito | (And, BTW, I'm not only worried about Macs, but also about Linux running on some embedded computers, but I guess that this is completely out-of-scope for Ubuntu). | 17:39 |
| ScottK | We have only one or two developers that even have PowerPC hardware, so we need all the help we can get. | 17:40 |
| rbrito | ScottK, great. I'd be willing to help with that. | 17:40 |
| rbrito | I'm mostly doing things in Debian... | 17:40 |
| ScottK | rbrito: TheMuso is the guy to talk to then. | 17:41 |
| rbrito | Great. I will talk to Luke, then. | 17:41 |
| ScottK | He's in .au, so probably sleeping unless my TZ math is off | 17:41 |
| rbrito | ScottK, I'm in .br, which is -0200 now. | 17:41 |
| rbrito | (Daylight Savings Time) | 17:42 |
| rbrito | Well, I think that I'll install ubuntu the hard way, then (a minimal businesscard with wired connection and then a straight side-grade to Ubuntu). | 17:44 |
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| rbrito | Well, thanks for your comments. So, for starters, I should check the ubuntu-seeds part of launchpad? | 17:48 |
| rbrito | OK. Thanks for all the comments. | 17:52 |
| rbrito | I'm going now. | 17:53 |
| jcastro | Keybuk: is there a way to replicate a day's slots for the rest of the week in summit? Or am I doomed to make them all by hand? | 17:59 |
| Keybuk | jcastro: only by SQL | 18:01 |
| jcastro | Keybuk: what would it cost me for you to do that for me. It will take me forever to do the rest of the days. :( | 18:02 |
| jcastro | name your price sire. | 18:02 |
| slangasek | asac: hmm, bug #455045> if a user screws up their /etc/network/interfaces and comments out lo, would NM do anything with it? | 18:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 455045 in portmap "nfs-kernel-server doesn't start automatically at startup" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455045 | 18:02 |
| ebroder | So, uh, now that Karmic is spinning down, anybody from ubuntu-sru willing to take a look at bug #330766? | 18:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330766 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio hangs, prevents login, home as ntfs" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330766 | 18:04 |
| jdong | when is the big magical archive reorg due to happen? | 18:04 |
| ebroder | We've had a tested patch for about 2.5 months now... | 18:05 |
| asac | slangasek: the idea is that NM ups lo | 18:06 |
| slangasek | asac: ... uh. | 18:06 |
| asac | yes | 18:07 |
| asac | the code is still there | 18:07 |
| slangasek | blah | 18:08 |
| slangasek | and does NM hook into upstart, to emit net-device-up events? | 18:08 |
| slangasek | (or does it hook into /etc/network/if-up.d?) | 18:08 |
| jdong | ebroder: fastest way is probably to capture a core-dev sponsor and shove it into the -proposed queue ;-) | 18:09 |
| asac | if-up.d but loopback might be special | 18:09 |
| ebroder | jdong: I...can do that? | 18:09 |
| asac | oh | 18:09 |
| asac | slangasek: heh | 18:09 |
| asac | ok so the Debian backend runs /sbin/ifup lo ... | 18:09 |
| asac | :/ | 18:09 |
| asac | so yeah | 18:09 |
| jdong | ebroder: there's never been explicit declaration whether the SRU ACK comes before the upload or vice-versa. In universe I prefer the former as it's easier to review, but for -main the SRU guys overlap quite a bit with those managing the queue anyway | 18:10 |
| asac | slangasek: so what behaviour do we want from NM? | 18:11 |
| ebroder | I see. In, uh, that case, any core-devs willing to upload the SRU fix for bug #330766? :) | 18:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330766 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio hangs, prevents login, home as ntfs" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330766 | 18:11 |
| asac | isnt it right to not up "lo" if there is no configuration in interfaces? otherwise you cannot opt-out at all anymore | 18:11 |
| slangasek | asac: what do you mean, opt out? | 18:12 |
| asac | comment "lo" | 18:12 |
| asac | in interfaces | 18:12 |
| slangasek | if someone does that, why should NM do anything? | 18:12 |
| slangasek | anyway, my real question here is: is NM bringing up the interface in a way that /etc/init/portmap.conf doesn't see it | 18:13 |
| asac | slangasek: it runs /sbin/ifup lo | 18:13 |
| slangasek | why does it do that at all? /etc/init/networking.conf will already do that | 18:13 |
| slangasek | (and if lo is missing from /etc/network/interfaces, what is 'ifup lo' supposed to get you?) | 18:14 |
| ScottK | kees: New clamav release is out with (AFAICT) no security fixes in it. | 18:14 |
| kees | ScottK: ok | 18:15 |
| mvo | Riddell: can I help with bug #459471 in any way? I would love to get it into -proposed asap, otherwise I see more triage work for upgrade failures coming my way | 18:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 459471 in kdebindings "[Karmic] update-manager-kde: conffile prompt/error during upgrade cause crash" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459471 | 18:16 |
| Riddell | mvo: just looking at it now | 18:18 |
| mvo | cool, many thanks Riddell | 18:19 |
| Riddell | mvo: I think this should do it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/revision/64 | 18:29 |
| mvo | Riddell: cool, thanks. -proposed is ready for uploading, I can do a test upgrade from a ppa as well to ensure the fix works (tomorrow morning) | 18:32 |
| hdon | hi all. for some reason when i use valgrind --db-attach=yes, i get no debugging symbols when the debugger attaches. the backtrace is just ????. is that a known problem on jaunty? | 18:33 |
| Riddell | mvo: uploading then | 18:33 |
| mvo | Riddell: thanks | 18:33 |
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| jmadgin | hi there! I've just come over from a convo with videolan channel, they told me you guys may be able to help! since i upgradfrom 9.04 to 9.10 my avi's dont seem to work in movie player or vlc. I checked the readout from vlc diagnostic and it said the encoder couldnt be found. I checked the encoder in synaptic and its there? | 19:33 |
| jmadgin | i'm tearing my hair out trying to fix this, any advice? | 19:33 |
| ebroder | What time will Karmic release, again? Is it midnight GMT "tonight" or "tomorrow night"? | 19:44 |
| jmadgin | dont kno | 19:44 |
| sebner | ebroder: when it's ready ;) | 19:45 |
| ebroder | sebner: "Will that be before or after Perl 6 and Mailman 3?" :-P | 19:45 |
| sebner | ebroder: tomorrow :P | 19:45 |
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| DGMurdockIII | whats that tool that in ubuntu that run a system test then send the info back to the ubuntu dev | 23:20 |
| beuno | DGMurdockIII, I think it's called checkbox | 23:21 |
| DGMurdockIII | is that the tool the is built in to the the ubuntu os with te gui and everthing | 23:22 |
| DGMurdockIII | it used to be somthing else | 23:23 |
| ScottK | ubuntu-bug | 23:26 |
| ScottK | ubuntu-bug <packagename> | 23:26 |
| cjwatson | ebroder: we've never promised midnight, although people routinely get confused and think we have | 23:27 |
| cjwatson | it's, furthermore, never been anywhere especially close to midnight | 23:27 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: there's a LP bug that misleads people into thinking we do | 23:29 |
| slangasek | due dates are entered as dates and exit as timestamps | 23:29 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: in fact hardy was half way through the party wasn't it :D | 23:32 |
| * joaopinto brings some beer | 23:33 | |
| cjwatson | slangasek: yeah | 23:34 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I just have trouble believing that all the people who think it's midnight have picked it up from LP | 23:35 |
| slangasek | I don't :) | 23:35 |
| ajmitch | word of mouth spreads these vicious rumours a long way :) | 23:36 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: particularly when https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic says "Expected in 24 minutes" :) | 23:36 |
| cjwatson | that doesn't help, true | 23:36 |
| mathiaz | kees: so I've doing some more testing with the RAID1 install | 23:43 |
| mathiaz | kees: Is there a reason why the array would reassemble itself automatically? | 23:43 |
| mathiaz | kees: use case: boot the system with one drive only. | 23:44 |
| mathiaz | kees: boot the system with the other drive only. | 23:44 |
| mathiaz | kees: boot the system with both drives again - RAID array are automatically rebuilt | 23:44 |
| mathiaz | kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303896/ | 23:45 |
| mathiaz | kees: this^^ is after the last reboot | 23:45 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: shouldn't happen if both bits of the array have been written to separately, but were they? | 23:47 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: hm - I added a file to one of the degraded array | 23:48 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: but haven't touched the other degraded array | 23:48 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: I'm retesting and make sure that both degraded array will diverge | 23:49 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: so if nothing touched the other one (which would be unlikely with current filesystems, but) - the kernel has enough info to tell which one is out-of-date | 23:49 |
| kees | mathiaz: depends on the ordering. | 23:49 |
| kees | mathiaz: in some situations the raid will rebuild | 23:49 |
| mathiaz | kees: what surprises me is that it's done *automatically* | 23:50 |
| kees | mathiaz: if one or the other device had newer time stamps or something, I think it'll abort the re-build | 23:50 |
| kees | mathiaz: that's why the default is to _not_ boot a degraded array. ;) | 23:50 |
| mathiaz | kees: ok - so now I've booted the guest twice - each time with a degraded array | 23:53 |
| mathiaz | kees: and created a different file with different content each time | 23:54 |
| mathiaz | kees: and the guest is reconfigured to have *both* drives enabled | 23:54 |
| mathiaz | kees: if I boot the system what should happen? | 23:54 |
| kees | mathiaz: you booted each drive separately with the other out of the system? | 23:55 |
| mathiaz | kees: yes | 23:55 |
| mathiaz | kees: ie drive commented out in the libvirt file and redefined each time | 23:55 |
| kees | ok, in theory, if you boot now with both drives in, you will boot from whichever drive udev mounts first, and the raid will refuse to add the second drive. | 23:56 |
| slangasek | it should allow you to boot in degraded mode if configured to do so, but not reassemble the array, right | 23:56 |
| kees | slangasek: right | 23:56 |
| * mathiaz boots the guest to confront theory with practice | 23:56 | |
| kees | slangasek: actually, it'll boot even if you don't want degraded boot since it's a misnomer with MD RAIDs. we should call this option "unexpected raid state". | 23:57 |
| kees | if you booted degraded once, md is back in an expected (though degraded) state, and will boot fine next time, since nothing "changed". | 23:57 |
| slangasek | ah | 23:57 |
| kees | we had this debate in intrepid. oh the pain | 23:58 |
| slangasek | I was blissfully out of earshot :-) | 23:58 |
| mathiaz | kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303903/ - :( | 23:58 |
| kees | mathiaz: ok, cool, so it did an auto sync | 23:58 |
| kees | mathiaz: that's okay too, but is the reason degraded-boot is not the default. the system cannot answer the question "which drive is best?" in all cases. | 23:59 |
| mathiaz | kees: yeah - with the earliest degraded filesystem | 23:59 |
| * kees nods | 23:59 | |
| slangasek | kees: in the case he's described, both drives are dirty, it /shouldn't/ answer the question "which drive is best?" there... | 23:59 |
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