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| fabrice_sp | Hi. As a MOTU, I can upload to -proposed? | 04:41 |
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| fabrice_sp | Argh, it seems so, and I didn't uploaded the right one :-/ Can some archive admin reject jmagick 6.2.6-0-4ubuntu2? | 04:47 |
| ScottK | Sure | 04:47 |
| ScottK | fabrice_sp: Done | 04:48 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks :-) | 04:48 |
| ScottK | fabrice_sp: You can upload, but you need a motu-sru ack before it gets accepted. | 04:48 |
| fabrice_sp | ok. I opened a bug report, like a 'normal' SRU, just in case, so it's ok. Should have looked at non installable packages before final freeze :-/ | 04:50 |
| ScottK | We got a lot done in the last few days. | 04:50 |
| fabrice_sp | sure :-) I still remember the more than 1000 packages that FTBFS not so long ago. Down to 538 now, so not that bad | 04:52 |
| mdomsch | fabrice_sp, we got fedora 12 down to about 30 FTBFS | 04:57 |
| ScottK | mdomsch: Very impressive. | 04:58 |
| ScottK | I saw your blog post about that. | 04:58 |
| mdomsch | credit to debian for the concept | 04:58 |
| ScottK | mdomsch: One thing that's kind of interesting is if you look at http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ you see 389 FTBFS in the archive, but if you look at http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html from a test rebuild, you find 585. | 05:02 |
| ScottK | So we have a lot of binaries that we could't build today if we needed to. This worries me. | 05:03 |
| * fabrice_sp has a plane to catch. Bye! | 05:16 | |
| micahg | ScottK: I found a request to package something I want in debian, but no one seems to be working on it, can/should I file a bug in LP and mark debian upstream bug and try to get the package in debian? | 05:20 |
| ScottK | micahg: Yes. | 05:20 |
| ScottK | Tag the Ubuntu bug 'needs-packaging'. | 05:20 |
| micahg | also, since I want to work on it, should I assign to myself? I don't think I'll get to it for a couple months though | 05:22 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 05:23 |
| ScottK | Do keep in mind when Lucid feature freeze is. | 05:23 |
| micahg | ok | 05:23 |
| lifeless | I wouldn't assign it if you aren't going to touch it for months | 05:25 |
| lifeless | leave it unassigned until you start on it | 05:25 |
| lifeless | its more accurate | 05:26 |
| ScottK | True. | 05:26 |
| ScottK | Maybe a comment you intend to do it. | 05:26 |
| micahg | ok | 05:27 |
| porthose | micahg, you may want to check the BTS for an ITP bug to see if anyone in debian is working on it and if not open one :) | 05:32 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:05 |
| SevenMachines | morning | 07:11 |
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| ScottK | Anyone around that can change the topic? | 12:30 |
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| dholbach | ScottK: can you tell me what you want in there? | 12:35 |
| ScottK | dholbach: Something about Karmic being frozen solid and work on SRUs. | 12:35 |
| === dholbach changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Karmic is frozen solid now! Prepare SRUs! | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck | latest rebuild failures: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html | ||
| dholbach | ScottK: better? :) | 12:36 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 12:36 |
| ScottK | Yes | 12:36 |
| dholbach | alrightiy | 12:36 |
| Laney | can't we have -t? | 12:41 |
| aboudreault | Should a html demo be in /usr/share/doc/packageX/examples/ or in /usr/share/packageX/examples ? | 12:43 |
| * Laney cuddles jpds | 12:44 | |
| Laney | aboudreault: use dh_installexamples | 12:47 |
| aboudreault | ha, and everything will be done automagically | 12:48 |
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| aboudreault | Can we pu directly a tar.gz in the debian/ directory? or we have to uuencode it? | 13:33 |
| slytherin | aboudreault: why do you want to do that? | 13:37 |
| aboudreault | to add a demo in the doc package | 13:38 |
| slangasek | aboudreault: you don't really want to do that; the debian/ directory is going to be gzipped again to create a .diff.gz - you should include files individually instead | 13:44 |
| slangasek | (and if they're binary files, uuencode them, yes) | 13:44 |
| aboudreault | ok, just wanted to be sure that I needed to uuencode them. thx | 13:46 |
| ScottK | jdong or cody-somerville: Would one of you please ack Bug #462619 | 13:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462619 in pyproj "pyproj FTBFS on all non-i386 archs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462619 | 13:46 |
| jdong | ScottK: you're acked | 13:53 |
| ScottK | jdong: Thanks. | 13:53 |
| jdong | sure thing | 13:53 |
| sebner | huhu bddebian | 13:55 |
| sebner | mighty ScottK ^^ | 13:55 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 13:58 |
| bddebian | Hi sebner | 13:58 |
| ScottK | sebner: If you never make a mistake, then you aren't doing much. | 13:59 |
| sebner | ScottK: oh, no. I wasn't talking about pyproj but about all the attention you got because of my mail (Of course the other -release guys deserve that too) :) | 14:00 |
| ScottK | sebner: Ah, OK. | 14:00 |
| ScottK | It was a lot since I was offline all day yesterday, so I got them all together in the evening. | 14:01 |
| sebner | hihi | 14:01 |
| slytherin | aboudreault: What kind of demos are you including? | 14:03 |
| aboudreault | a html demo for an application, cgi. | 14:03 |
| slytherin | aboudreault: then it is not a binary file, is it? | 14:04 |
| aboudreault | yes there are. the html demo needs data | 14:05 |
| slytherin | what kind of data? you mean images? | 14:06 |
| aboudreault | images + gis data | 14:06 |
| hyperair | sebner: nice coverup ;-) | 14:15 |
| sebner | hyperair: haha, it's windows .. :P | 14:16 |
| hyperair | xD | 14:16 |
| sebner | hyperair: I should avoid the ML now or else I'll get banned or a joke or something like that xD | 14:17 |
| hyperair | =p | 14:17 |
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| aboudreault | so dh_compress will compress examples too. | 14:41 |
| Laney | yes | 14:42 |
| aboudreault | Do we always need to specify explicitly what we don't want compressed manually? Shouldn't dh_installexamples take care of that? | 14:42 |
| Laney | you can exclude files from compression though | 14:42 |
| aboudreault | Is that argument is legal? -Xexamples/demo1 ? | 14:43 |
| Laney | try it and see | 14:44 |
| Laney | maybe just demo1 | 14:44 |
| aboudreault | k | 14:45 |
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| joaopinto | why don't we have chromium on universe, stability concerns ? | 16:34 |
| ScottK | joaopinto: Bazillions of lines of dupilcated code. | 16:36 |
| ScottK | Chromium embedds a copy of every single library it uses. | 16:36 |
| joaopinto | that's a reject reason ? | 16:37 |
| joaopinto | we have several packages with their own zlib copies :) | 16:37 |
| Laney | it's a maintenance nightmare | 16:41 |
| ScottK | joaopinto: It depends. It's a reject reason, but it's not an absolute. We'd like to have those packages use system libraries when we can. | 16:41 |
| ScottK | chromium would be more than a million lines of duplicated code. No way. | 16:42 |
| joaopinto | I am not sure how that improves security from an end user perspective, which will get it frm the ppa | 16:43 |
| cemc | o/ there is a clusterssh package, with some problems, see LP #429607. If I try the laster package from Karmic (which doesn't have that problem) can I backport it? how? | 16:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 429607 in clusterssh "clusterssh messes up copy-paste, inserts wrong characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429607 | 16:43 |
| ScottK | PPA can easily be updated to a new release and if there are regressions, there are regressions. | 16:44 |
| aboudreault | If I have a html demo in /usr/share ... but it needs to be modified to work by the user.. what would be the approach ? I think the user is not supposed to modify the file there, right? | 16:44 |
| sistpoty|work | actually we do have chromium (src:chromium-bsu) | 16:45 |
| sebner | hihi sistpoty|work | 16:48 |
| sistpoty|work | hi sebner | 16:48 |
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| ScottK | sistpoty|work: Different chromium (but I think you knew that) | 17:14 |
| sistpoty|work | ScottK: it is? I've thought of the game... | 17:15 |
| ScottK | I think we were talking about the web browser | 17:15 |
| ScottK | I was anyway | 17:15 |
| sebner | sistpoty|work just thinks about games :P | 17:16 |
| sistpoty|work | haha, didn't knew there is a web-browser called chromium *g* | 17:16 |
| sistpoty|work | didn't know even | 17:16 |
| sebner | xD | 17:16 |
| kees | ScottK: hah! just read your blog about the lost bag. that _rocks_ | 17:23 |
| kees | (well, not that it was lost, but that ubuntu rocks) :) | 17:23 |
| ScottK | kees: United can't buy publicity like that. | 17:23 |
| kees | hehe | 17:24 |
| kees | did you have to ship it, or did United end up footing the bill for the return? | 17:24 |
| ScottK | We had to ship it. | 17:24 |
| * kees nods | 17:24 | |
| ScottK | United said not their problem. | 17:24 |
| kees | and in their main hub, too. sheesh | 17:24 |
| ScottK | Unlike the guy in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo&feature=player_embedded I wasn't going to spend 9 months calling and complaining. | 17:25 |
| kees | hehe | 17:25 |
| ScottK | It's been years since I was willing to fly them because they were always cancelling flights on me with no notice, so I figured I'd give them another chance. | 17:26 |
| kees | yeah, I've been pretty unimpressed with United. that said, I haven't really had _good_ experiences with many US carriers. Probably the most fun I've had has been with Southwest; their staff tend to be a lot of fun, even if the cabin is cramped. | 17:27 |
| ScottK | I'm a big fan of Southwest. Jet Blue is pretty good too. | 17:31 |
| cemc | is there a problem with keyserver.ubuntu.com? I'm trying to apt-key my PPA key and it's just sitting there | 18:38 |
| cemc | heh, never mind, it just moved | 18:38 |
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| sebner | mok0: of course I said self-hugging :P | 19:11 |
| kees | ScottK: hrm, I've never done this in universe before, but I need to do an SRU of new upstream release (now in Debian) as the prior release totally fails due to new Perl library APIs. Should I just wait for Lucid to open, sync, and then do an upload based on that? | 19:55 |
| jdong | *puts on SRU hat* | 19:58 |
| jdong | we should SRU Karmic without waiting for Lucid IMO | 19:59 |
| jdong | I'm not sure how sync+SRU would work in this particular case; my gut feeling would just be to prepare a SRU versioned upload based on the new debian release | 19:59 |
| RainCT | isn't this (not waiting) what has always been done? | 20:01 |
| Laney | this is a difficult case with respect to versioning | 20:01 |
| jdong | RainCT: correct | 20:01 |
| jdong | RainCT: but in this case, the oddball part is sync-new-version-from-debian | 20:01 |
| Laney | what about a backports style version? | 20:02 |
| jdong | I think -1ubuntu0.1 would work just fine versioning. | 20:02 |
| jdong | that's not a huge concern | 20:02 |
| jdong | well | 20:02 |
| Laney | that's greater than -1 | 20:02 |
| Laney | ~ubuntu0.1 | 20:02 |
| jdong | are there no Ubuntu changes? | 20:02 |
| * jdong doesn't even know which package is in question :) | 20:03 | |
| Laney | the rule is usually "don't forget about the next release", right? | 20:03 |
| Laney | and a straight (auto)sync would cover that | 20:03 |
| micahg | why not treat it like when we get a higher upstream but want to insure sync..-0ubuntu1? | 20:03 |
| soren | kees: You could SRU it into Karmic and ask for it to be pocket-copied to Lucid? | 20:09 |
| kees | soren: can we sync to karmic-updates directly? | 20:11 |
| soren | kees: Well... karmic-proposed, I suppose. | 20:11 |
| kees | ah | 20:12 |
| soren | kees: I don't see any technical reason why we couldn't other than perhaps the tools the AA's use to do it may not have an option for it. | 20:12 |
| * kees files a bug | 20:12 | |
| ScottK | We'll want that for Lucid anyway. | 20:38 |
| ajmitch | I'm guessing it'll be a week or so until lucid is open for uploads? | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | generally a week or two, yeah | 20:44 |
| slangasek | shouldn't be an "or two", given that the toolchain is being kept conservative for LTS | 20:46 |
| ajmitch | I wasn't sure what "toolchain conservatively uploaded" meant - whether that meant it could be later, or just few changes | 20:49 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that's nice to hear :) | 20:49 |
| ajmitch | I see that the LTS page states that we'll be syncing from debian testing this time round, rather than unstable | 20:50 |
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| saml | what's motu? | 21:42 |
| saml | message of today? | 21:42 |
| saml | unicorn | 21:42 |
| jpds | !motu | saml | 21:42 |
| ubottu | saml: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 21:42 |
| saml | motu has digital performer | 21:42 |
| saml | oh i see | 21:42 |
| dtchen | heh, not *that* Motu. | 21:43 |
| chunknuts | doesn't syncing from testing for the LTS (instead of unstable) mean that some of the packages in Karmic will be newer than some of the packages in Lucid? | 22:07 |
| soren | chunknuts: In those cases, we'll stick with what we've got. | 22:09 |
| micahg | is that policy final? | 22:09 |
| chunknuts | ahhhh i c -- smart move | 22:10 |
| chunknuts | no sense in going backwards | 22:10 |
| chunknuts | thanks soren! | 22:10 |
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