[00:03] <Blizzz> bug 462993. dunno if the package is right, i hope so, if not, blame apport-bug :) my english is outrageous today....
[00:09] <Riddell> yes that's right Blizzz
[00:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: Did we get the "Released" banner done?
[00:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes http://imagebin.ca/view/stfVJw.html
[00:12] <Riddell> and aren't you ment to be in recovery?
[00:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Oooh, shiny. I go in tomorrow.
[00:22] <Riddell> New i386 DVDs up for testing! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20091028.2/
[00:53] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 is amarok not playing MP3 on the live CD really a release bug?
[01:37] <a|wen> does the gnome-equivalent media-player play mp3 files on the live-cd?
[01:38] <Riddell> I couldn't say
[01:38] <Riddell> but installing softare doesn't seem like something I'd want to do on a live CD
[01:47] <Lex79> is there a draft releases notes somewhere?
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Final/Kubuntu
[01:48] <Riddell> Lex79: release notes or announcement?
[01:48] <Lex79> I meant release notes
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, then not that link then :P
[01:49] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[01:49] <Lex79> thanks :)
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> I would agree that the amarok/mp3 thingy really isn't a bug
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> does amarok still ship with that sample ogg like it did in 1.x? As long as that played (if it exists) I'd be happy
[01:55] <Riddell> I don't think it does
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> a shame, I thought that was sorta neat when I first started using amarok
[02:11] <a|wen> well mentioning that it is that way doesn't seem that bad ... but maybe it should mention that it is intentional
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> But then it's up there with serious issues on the release notes for eternity, hrm..
[02:13] <ScottK> What package do I need so that firefox knows about mimetypes and opens files with the correct application?
[02:14] <a|wen> hmm, bug 463000 ... really hope that it doesn't affect more languages; but can't figure out what goes wrong here
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: firefox-gnome-support
[02:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[02:14]  * ScottK ssh's into the kid's box to put that back.
[02:15] <ScottK> Sure enough.  Got removed somehow on the upgrade.
[02:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did it have a different name in Jaunty?
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> I don't believe so, apachelogger may know more about such things
[02:19]  * ScottK greps logs some more
[02:24] <ScottK> Weird.  No sign in the logs of it being there before, but I know it was because the mime stuff worked.  Oh well.
[02:33] <bbigras> Someone else has problem using the flash 10 alpha 64 bit with Firefox? It makes Firefox crash
[02:35] <a|wen> can't get to the download link for kubuntu netbook on the iso tracker ... should i just guess my way to the link, or is there something wrong here?
[02:37] <ScottK> a|wen: Go from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <ScottK> That hasn't worked the whole cycle.
[02:38] <a|wen> ahh, then no need to worry .. thx!
[03:46] <Riddell> morning vorian, are all the children on your facebook photo yours?
[03:47]  * ScottK isn't quite sure how to interpret that question?
[03:47] <Riddell> there's just rather a lot of them
[03:47] <MsMaco> installing to a USB hard disk is supported, right?
[03:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:47] <MsMaco> because if so, i have to mark this testcase as fail
[03:48] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release done for me, do check it over people with access
[03:48] <Riddell> I'm going to bed, should I fail to get up in time for release please phone me (jriddell.org/contact.html)
[03:51] <MsMaco> ScottK: ?
[03:51] <vorian> Riddell: yeah!
[03:51] <ScottK> My response was to Riddell's clarification.
[03:51] <vorian> they sure are
[03:51] <ScottK> vorian: Link me
[03:51] <vorian> uno momneto
[03:51] <MsMaco> ScottK: i know. im wondering if you know if USB disks are supported
[03:52]  * vorian just unpacked and set up his computer!!!
[03:52] <MsMaco> er...i know you were talking to Riddell
[03:52] <ScottK> I would imagine so, but I don't know for sure.
[03:53] <vorian> ScottK: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=36950&l=ad525127b6&id=100000325406753
[03:53] <MsMaco> drat. apparntly burned 2 ubuntu dvds instead of 1 ubu and 1 kubu
[03:54] <ScottK> Nice.  5 is a lot.
[03:54]  * ScottK thinks 3 is a lot.
[03:54]  * vorian thinks 1 is a lot
[03:55] <ScottK> I'm not sure 3 to 5 makes much difference.  You're already outnumbered at that point.
[03:55] <vorian> yup
[03:55] <vorian> it never really got any harder past 3
[03:55] <vorian> just more expensive
[03:58] <MsMaco> mum wanted 6
[03:58] <MsMaco> then she had twins ;)
[03:59] <vorian> haha
[04:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I reviewed it and I say it's good.
[04:07] <ScottK> Now I know why vorian moved somewhere with a much higher population density of large predatory mammals.
[04:09] <vorian> there are a lot of snow flakes
[04:09] <MsMaco> bait?
[04:09] <vorian> and Elk
[04:10] <vorian> we have a geiser that goes off every hour on the hour, it's kind of neet
[04:11]  * MsMaco just reseated the hard drive...see if that does anything
[04:13] <MsMaco> oh yay!
[04:14] <dtchen> MsMaco has broken hardware.
[04:14] <dtchen> meaning, she breaks hardware, and she owns broken hardware.
[04:14] <MsMaco> :P
[04:15] <MsMaco> apparently the disk & the umm...is controller the word for the thing the disk plugs into?....were not fully & happily united
[04:16] <dtchen> well, it's not the door to the ladies' room as you eloquently put it in the dclug e-mail
[04:16] <MsMaco> *sigh*
[04:16] <MsMaco> its not hard to figure out what i meant!
[04:17] <MsMaco> obviously i meant the door the people need to go through, which happens to be next to the ladies, would be open
[04:23]  * ScottK notes MsMaco excels at conversation stopping.
[04:23] <vorian> noted
[04:24] <vorian> ok, so I'm all set for lucid
[04:24] <vorian> i even got me a netbook
[04:25]  * vorian is tres excited
[04:27] <ScottK> Oh my.
[04:28] <ScottK> I read MsMaco's innuendo, go off an look at something else and come back and what's the first thing I read, "vorian is tres excited".
[04:29] <vorian> ScottK: things look like they are returning to normal again then :)
[04:29] <ScottK> vorian: What netbook did you get?
[04:30] <vorian> er. an Acer one
[04:30] <bbigras> What do you do when a game crash and your stuck in a lower resolution?
[04:30] <vorian> It's pretty decent
[04:30] <vorian> i got it for 250
[04:30] <vorian> (no tax in montana)
[04:38] <dtchen> bbigras: I open an x-terminal-emulator and use xrandr -s
[04:39] <dtchen> very probably not an ideal resolution (no pun intended), but it WFM
[04:40] <bbigras> dtchen: thanks. I went into system setting and played with the resolution but I'll try this next time
[04:41] <dtchen> vorian: cool. Does sound work as expected on it [using 9.10]?
[04:42] <vorian> dtchen: yep, sounds awesome
[04:42] <dtchen> vorian: great
[04:43] <vorian> yes, thank for your tireless work :)
[04:43] <vorian> thanks, even
[04:45] <dtchen> it's not just me, but yw
[04:49] <ScottK> vorian: So far I've had to raise the volume of PCM on every install I've done.  After that it's been freat.
[04:49] <ScottK> freat/great
[04:51] <dtchen> hum.
[04:51] <dtchen> that's definitely not supposed to happen, as we set PCM to 80% unconditionally on fresh installs
[04:56] <maco> maybe 80% is too low for ScottK?
[04:56] <ScottK> dtchen: They've all been at 0 so far, as recently as yesterday.
[04:56] <maco> shiny
[04:57] <dtchen> ScottK: if you can verify that they're 0% at kdm greeter, that might help me troubleshoot
[04:58] <ScottK> dtchen: OK.  I have to do another install in the next couple of days (last step of redoing all the karmic boxen on ext3).  I'll see what I can do then.
[04:58] <dtchen> ScottK: ok, much appreciated
[05:47]  * ScottK has finished his pre-release propoganda: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/10/making_of_a_new_ubuntu_flavor.html
[06:26] <kb9vqf> Hey, who's handing the release annoucement this time around?
[06:27]  * kb9vqf has FINALLY finished his KDE3.5 images
[06:27] <kb9vqf> :0
[06:27] <kb9vqf> :)
[06:31] <kb9vqf> I have to get some sleep, but if anyone would be willing to add KDE3 to the release announcement the Wiki page is here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic
[06:34] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[08:23] <Mamarok> morning
[08:24] <Mamarok> I have just seen that we still talk about getting free CDs from Shipit here: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[08:24] <Mamarok> this should be corrected
[08:41] <debfx> ScottK: I know that some oxygen icons are missing in kde 4.2, wiping the icon cache worked
[08:46] <debfx> ScottK: I think only actions/im*.png and actions/irc*.png are missing compared to what the karmic package installs
[09:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: not renamed, no clue how it disappeared
[09:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the firefox installer screenshot on the wiki release page needs to be updated
[09:09] <apachelogger> now uses official icon
[09:09] <apachelogger> also, the black thingy in the second knetworkmanager screenshot is somewhat unprofessional :P
[09:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: I doubt that you know christopher eberl
[09:13] <apachelogger> though I suppose you should know if you know him :P
[09:13] <apachelogger> he's a former class mate of mine
[09:14] <apachelogger> Sput: shouldn't the away log thingy show messages I received while being away?
[09:14] <Sput> apachelogger: not sure actually :) I never use it
[09:14] <apachelogger> only shows nickserv messages here :D
[09:14] <Sput> I think it's supposed to show highlighted messages?
[09:15] <apachelogger> well, it doesn't
[09:15] <apachelogger> at least not those that go beyond fetched messages per channel
[09:16] <apachelogger> which is kinda PITA since I would have to fetch like a gazillion messages for a high volume channel like ubuntu-devel to catch a highlight that happened 2 days ago
[09:41] <brot> F5 F5 F5 :)
[09:58] <Sput> apachelogger: well, you *could* change your backlogfetcher such that it fetches all messages that were new since you last synced :)
[10:27] <Riddell> morning, was something going to happen today?
[10:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: not that I know, why?
[10:31] <Riddell> I just have this idea that there must be a reason why I only had 6 hours sleep, but I can't remember what it was
[10:31] <ScottK> Riddell: There was some discussion on #ubuntu-release a few hours ago about changing the OEM config release note.  I think they edited the wiki, but unless you did it already, it needs copied over to kubuntu.org
[10:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: just make sure not to follow #ubuntu-release-party ... it's nuts
[10:41] <Riddell> cashew nuts I hope, else it's not really Plasma
[10:54] <neversfelde> is the release delayed? On kubuntu.org the banner shows 1 day until release.
[10:55] <Riddell> yeah we're taking the Spanish approach to life, mañana
[10:55] <Riddell> either that or we just don't have a banner for 0 days to go
[10:56] <neversfelde> hehe
[11:00] <Riddell> I managed to get my unread e-mails down to less than 3000 yesterday, so not far to go
[11:27] <Riddell> ~identica dent nearly there! part in #ubuntu-release-party
[11:27] <Riddell> hmm, no kubotu
[11:29] <neversfelde> ScottK: do we need a backport request for quassel 0.5 final for 9.04. I have a little bit spare time and could write one?
[11:29] <markey> can we have a Kubuntu party? :)
[11:29]  * markey doesn't want to mix with Ubuntu people :p
[11:29] <Mamarok> Riddell: so we should /part or go partying?
[11:30] <Riddell> markey: we can have one right here, ideally I'd like to have #u-r-p full of dancing kubuntu types with everyone else sitting around quietly not sure how to fit in
[11:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: party :)
[11:31] <Mamarok> oh my, that channel is completely weird
[11:31] <Mamarok> and crowded
[11:31] <Mamarok> and apparently all the usual trolls are in, too
[11:31] <markey> hehe
[11:33] <Riddell> phew, that channel can make you a bit dizzy
[11:34] <markey> so Riddell, what's your personal prediction for the future of Ubuntu: Will it stay with GNOME forever, or might there eventually be more emphasiz on KDE?
[11:34] <markey> I suppose you know shuttleworth personally
[11:36] <Riddell> markey: well that depends on the relative merits of the desktops.  right now gnome is boring but works well while KDE is interesting but has obvious gaps for users (poor network manager, printer config, web browser, bluetooth suppotr etc), so from a commercial view gnome wins
[11:36] <Mamarok> yep, don't stare at the screen too long
[11:36] <markey> this is true. however, GNOME 3.0 probably will have a hard time initially too
[11:37]  * apachelogger drops out of lecture into release party channel 
[11:37] <markey> and then there is Qt Everywhere
[11:37] <Mamarok> 871 people there and counting
[11:37] <markey> Qt is becoming very very popular of late
[11:37] <Riddell> if KDE fills the gaps created by the KDE 4 transition then I think we'll start to see its takeup improve
[11:37] <ulysses__> markey: some people said, that after Gnome 3.0 released, lot of people will choose Xfce, because it is similar to gnome
[11:38] <Riddell> and then it'll make commercial sense for canonical to do more with Kubuntu (not to say the current support we get isn't notable)
[11:38] <markey> ulysses__: I hightly doubt that XFCE would ever become signifact
[11:39] <markey> highly*
[11:39] <ulysses__> yeah, xfce is bloatware without interesting features:)
[11:39] <Riddell> markey: as far as I can tell gnome 3.0 isn't going to do anything since the parts won't be ready in time, even gtk 3 is not going to be part of it, so it might just be an ABI change and nothing that users will notice
[11:39] <markey> interesting
[11:39] <markey> personally I think their biggest issue is GTK
[11:39] <markey> it's a dead end
[11:40] <markey> not so much the desktop itself
[11:40] <markey> and then there is Mono, which is problematic imo
[11:41] <ghostcube> woha release party is way to fast for me this morning
[11:41]  * apachelogger aint got no coffee yet
[11:41] <Mamarok> yeah, don't look at the screen all the time and disable the join and part warnings
[11:42] <apachelogger> imagin that ... I went to an accounting lecture without coffee!
[11:42] <Riddell> we just have to make more KDE people care about the boring stuff to fill in the gaps we have
[11:42] <Mamarok> apachelogger: and you didn't start to snore?
[11:42] <apachelogger> fortunately not
[11:42] <apachelogger> there is like this really hot guy in that lecture
[11:42] <Mamarok> and why do you have accounting letures? Didn't you learn that in college already?
[11:43] <apachelogger> so I was busy checking him out :P
[11:43] <Mamarok> oh, now I get it :)
[11:43] <apachelogger> also, it is a mandatory lecture :S
[11:44]  * apachelogger tunes in Bach
[11:44]  * Riddell gets jelous of the hot guy
[11:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: they let you play music in lecutres?!
[11:45] <apachelogger> nah, lecture is over
[11:45] <apachelogger> uh
[11:45] <apachelogger> that said, informatics lecture starts in 15 minutes
[11:45]  * apachelogger gets going or he will not get any coffee again
[11:45] <apachelogger> though
[11:45] <apachelogger> coffee prevents oxygen from getting to the brain anyway :P
[11:51] <Mamarok> 952 now
[11:55] <\sh> markey, depending on what nokia will do with Qt + Mobile ;)
[11:56]  * \sh wants N900 + Qtified Desktop
[11:59] <Mamarok> wow, 1000 people in that channel, and more are joining
[11:59] <\sh> 993 right now ;)
[12:00] <markey> \sh: it's coming. Maemo 6 will be Qt based
[12:00] <Mamarok> \sh: you forget to count the ops
[12:00] <markey> is why I said, Qt is becoming popular :)
[12:00] <Mamarok> and the channel is muted right now for 5 minutes :)
[12:00] <\sh> Mamarok, no...total means ops+others
[12:00] <\sh> Mamarok, xchat here ;)
[12:00] <markey> KDAB e.g. is growing so fast, it's uncanny
[12:00] <markey> they do Qt consulting
[12:01] <markey> Collabora too
[12:01] <Mamarok> irssi
[12:01] <\sh> markey, I know I know...commercially is Qt a better platform then GTK will ever be...because it can be sold with your closed source product...
[12:01]  * ghostcube wants an nokia 900
[12:01] <ghostcube> :|
[12:02] <ghostcube> but t-mobile doesnt get it till now
[12:02] <ghostcube> grml
[12:02] <\sh> markey, but as always with european products -> will those products win in other markets then europe...
[12:02] <markey> I want one too, and I'll probably get it. though I won't pay for it :p
[12:02] <ghostcube> :|
[12:02]  * JontheEchidna is going to miss all the release activities :(
[12:03] <JontheEchidna> happy karmic day though ")
[12:03] <JontheEchidna> *:)
[12:03] <ghostcube> :)
[12:03] <markey> \sh: the N900, no. it's basically a transitional product. The N900+1 can make it big, with Maemo 6
[12:03] <\sh> ghostcube, http://handyshop.simyo.de/handys/nokia-n900-schwarz.htm <- :)
[12:03] <\sh> ghostcube, without a contract ;)
[12:03] <markey> Nokia will eventually be using Maemo on all of their phones
[12:04] <\sh> markey, I meant Qt as platform itself...not resulting products like mobiles or whatever
[12:04] <ghostcube> iam already at t-mobile for 15 years now
[12:04] <ghostcube> :D
[12:04] <JontheEchidna> l8r
[12:07] <\sh> ghostcube, time to change
[12:07] <ghostcube> nah
[12:07] <ghostcube> i will stay
[12:07] <ghostcube> good priced contract
[12:07] <ghostcube> :)
[12:08] <ghostcube> and even symo has only pre ordering
[12:10] <apachelogger> it is incredible how long it takes the lecturer to get started :D
[12:19] <apachelogger> lol
[12:19] <apachelogger> no questions, no nothing, lecture over
[12:23] <Riddell> tsk, students of today, wasn't like that in my day, our lectures lasted more than 20 minutes
[12:25] <apachelogger> well, technically we are supposed to watch recodings of the lecture from previous years and then ask questions in the actual lecture, but since only me and 3 other people even showed up ...
[12:26] <Riddell> recordings of lectures?  slight lazyness on the part of the lecturer I'd think
[12:26] <apachelogger> well, he did 3 actual lectures :D
[12:27] <apachelogger> omg
[12:27] <apachelogger> today is a demonstration
[12:27] <apachelogger> at 1600, at which time I am going to learn about advanced memory management in C
[12:29] <apachelogger> so
[12:29] <apachelogger> is it out yet?
[12:29] <neversfelde> what?
[12:30] <neversfelde> #ubuntu-releasy-party is way to fast for me :)
[12:30] <apachelogger> you are not alone
[12:31]  * apachelogger prefers to topic hijack this channel anyway :P
[12:31] <\sh> neversfelde, just don't look at it...it's only for jonos 1000+ users ,->
[12:31] <neversfelde> hehe
[12:31]  * apachelogger waits for update to finish so he can go home and take a shower
[12:32] <apachelogger> and get coffee... oh my, coffee
[12:33] <\sh> ubuntu-9.10-server-i386.iso hmmm...
[12:33] <\sh> no rc in name
[12:33] <\sh> looks like we get it going
[12:33] <Riddell> mirrors are syncing
[12:33] <Riddell> but keep it quiet no announce for another couple of hours yet
[12:33]  * apachelogger checks university mirror
[12:35] <apachelogger> woohoo
[12:35] <apachelogger> update done
[12:35]  * apachelogger goes home
[12:35] <apachelogger> laters
[12:40] <\sh> lucid is open already? ,->
[12:40] <Riddell> hopefully not, I still need the time to get rid of my e-mail backlog
[12:40] <\sh> karmic's just old news...
[12:43] <Mamarok> \sh: could you please not heat up people in r-p? Not funny
[12:44] <ulysses__> :)
[12:44] <\sh> Mamarok, I hope they do read the invisible ,-) amrks
[12:44] <\sh> s/amrks/marks/
[12:45] <\sh> Sput, pingeling...when are you back in KA this evening?
[12:45] <Sput> \sh: huh... 1815ish
[12:46] <\sh> Sput, k...what about 18:30 18:45 la cage for a release party beer?
[12:46] <\sh> Sput, tschampel is with us then :)
[12:46] <Sput> unexpected, but sounds like fun
[12:46] <\sh> Sput, as always...;)
[12:47] <Sput> I can't do too long though, and need to go slow on the beer, as I have to catch a train at 6.30 tomorrow
[12:47] <\sh> Sput, we neither :)
[12:47] <Sput> \sh: but usually we don't manage it :)
[12:47] <\sh> Sput, my madame would kill me when I'm coming home late
[12:47] <Sput> this time I must though, because I can't miss that train or I'm screwed
[12:48] <\sh> Sput, november we will be back in FFM..so time for another round of "just get some lunch and go back to work" ,-)
[12:48] <Sput> mh, also I need to go home first, and start my laundry, so it's gonna be more like 1845 for me as well
[12:48] <Sput> oh, that would be great
[12:48] <\sh> Sput, cool :)
[12:48] <Sput> preferably with tschampl's sister again :)
[12:48] <\sh> Sput, meeting point in front of la cage :)
[12:49] <\sh> Sput, we can try to manage that especially for you :)
[12:49] <Sput> ok
[12:49] <Sput> hehe :)
[12:49] <Sput> she wanted to come to KA!
[12:49] <Sput> we still need to have that karaoke night
[12:49] <\sh> Sput, sure :) wait...lemme ask
[12:49] <\sh> Sput, tschampel bytes his lips
[12:50] <Sput> typical :P
[12:50] <ScottK> neversfelde: There is a bug for quassel backport already.  I've got it about ready for testing
[12:50] <Sput> \o/
[12:50] <neversfelde> ScottK: k, didn't find it
[12:53] <agateau> ScottK: forgot to ping you back yesterday,
[12:53] <agateau> ScottK: here I come :)
[12:54] <ScottK> agateau: I ran into a problem over the weekend with gwenview on my wife's computer (Jaunty with KDE 4.2.4)
[12:54] <ScottK> She rotated a picture and hit save.  The next time she opened it again, it was not rotated.
[12:54] <ScottK> We tried to save as a new name and that worked.
[12:55] <ScottK> agateau: Is that a known issue (hopefully fixed in 4,3)?
[12:55] <agateau> ScottK: never heard of this bug
[12:55] <agateau> ScottK: is it reproducible?
[12:56] <ScottK> agateau: It is on her computer with different images.  I didn't try it elsewhere
[12:56] <agateau> ScottK: did you check the file were not read only?
[12:56] <agateau> (got to ask this one, sorry if it sounds stupid)
[12:57] <ScottK> agateau: I did not.  I will check that.  I'd have expected an error from gwneview if t couldn't save.
[12:57] <agateau> ScottK: yes, I would expect this as well
[12:57] <ScottK> No, not stupid at all.  We were in a hurry to get something emailed out, so I just did what made it work.
[12:58] <ScottK> I'll check that and do a bit more investigating then.
[12:58] <agateau> ScottK: ok thanks
[13:02]  * ScottK joins #ubuntu-release-party and is glad for the opt out ability in quassel's chat monitor
[13:07] <apachelogger> beethoven!
[13:07]  * apachelogger diggs through
[13:08] <apachelogger> symphony no 5 allegro ... perfect track for current karmic heat :P
[13:08] <neversfelde> our new dog is called Beethoven, don't ask why. As far as I know, he is to young to create music :)
[13:10] <apachelogger> jeez
[13:16] <apachelogger> blogger.com spam is annoying the sanity out of me
[13:16]  * apachelogger wonders why google proofs uncapable of doing sane spam protection there 
[13:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: who is in charge of the final wiki page?
[13:20] <kb9vqf> I have to run to work, but if anyone would be willing to add KDE3 to the release announcement the Wiki page is here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic :)
[13:21] <apachelogger> if only I knew whom to delegate this to :D
[13:21] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: I am wondering why the installer does have the ubuntu icon and not the kubuntu one
[13:22] <kb9vqf> apachelogger: Because I use the GTK Ubiquity system
[13:22] <ScottK> Blogger, I can't help you, but I think Riddell has the release announcement in close control at this point.
[13:22]  * kb9vqf wishes he didn't have to, but that's the only non-KDE item on the CD
[13:22] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: still I would think the icon should be Kubuntish :P
[13:23] <apachelogger> gtk or not
[13:23] <kb9vqf> I suppose
[13:23] <apachelogger> kb9vqf: add $iconname to some core package installing to crystalsvg
[13:23] <apachelogger> that should override the ubuntu icon from hicolor icon theme
[13:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: so Riddell must be delegated to update the screenshots and add KDE 3 to the announcement
[13:25] <kb9vqf> thanks! :)
[13:26] <Riddell> update screenshots?
[13:30] <Riddell> kb9vqf: KNetworkManager from KDE 3 is maintained?
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: kfi is now using the offical icon and the blackt thingy in the second knm snapshot looks unprofessional
[13:30] <apachelogger> + one pic seems to be missing completely
[13:30] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Yes, by me! :)
[13:30] <apachelogger> kcm-gtk2.png
[13:30] <kb9vqf> Works great now
[13:31] <Riddell> kb9vqf: impressive
[13:31] <kb9vqf> Thanks!
[13:32] <kb9vqf> It was a lot of work
[13:32]  * kb9vqf leaves for the office; will try to be back on in a couple of hours
[13:36] <jjesse> mmmm 500k/sec on my torrents of karmic :)
[13:45]  * Riddell holds breath
[13:46]  * rgreening pokes Riddell in the ribs
[13:47] <jussi01> jjesse: thatrs a bit slow, no?
[13:48]  * jussi01 hugs his 24/2 connection...
[13:48] <jussi01> :P
[13:49] <jjesse> oooo downloads are done :)
[14:02] <Riddell> I fear I may be causing confusion in #u-r-p
[14:04] <yuriy> heh. slashdot says it's out with two tags notyet noyet
[14:04] <ulysses__> :D
[14:05]  * ulysses__ waiting for dist-upgrade, but update-notifier said, there isn't any upgrade
[14:05] <Riddell> that'll be because http://changeslogs.ubuntu.com is down
[14:05] <neversfelde> the banner is broken with Firefox, Arora and Konqui are working
[14:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's up in firefox?  looks ok here
[14:07] <Riddell> oh, hmm
[14:08] <ulysses__> wow, the banner is phantastic:)
[14:11] <apachelogger> banner?
[14:11] <apachelogger> what banner?
[14:11] <ulysses__> kubuntu.org
[14:12] <apachelogger> oh we haz sexy banner
[14:12] <apachelogger> sweet
[14:13] <Riddell> hmm, I'm afraid I don't know why firefox is putting the banner in a funny place
[14:13] <Riddell> the stylesheets at that point are fairly multilayered
[14:13] <apachelogger> hm
[14:13] <\sh> doesn't look shiny as kde looks...;)
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: didnt we decide to not ship kopete-facebook on the cd?
[14:14] <Riddell> we don't, did it creap back onto the announcement?
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: aye
[14:16]  * Riddell clarifies
[14:17] <apachelogger> lecture begins
[14:19] <neversfelde> Riddell: cleared the cache and cannot test it anymore, because kubuntu.org is not reachable :)
[14:19] <jjesse> it works for me
[14:22] <ghostcube> hmm why are we faster than ubuntu :P
[14:23] <Riddell> because we're cooler
[14:23] <ghostcube> 100 points
[14:23] <ghostcube> :)
[14:23] <Riddell> but the crucial download links will appear at the same time
[14:23] <ulysses__> Kubuntu rocks, Ubuntu not:)
[14:23] <ghostcube> i know heh :) but looks good
[14:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/PaICDaCZ.html
[14:24] <a|wen> yeah kubuntu.org is painfully slow, eh not responding, atm
[14:25] <neversfelde> problem only exists on the small screen of this netbook
[14:25] <ulysses__> works for me
[14:25] <neversfelde> on my desktop everything is ok
[14:25] <ulysses__> neversfelde: same error for me, I have a Lenovo laptop with 1366x768 (Firefox 3.5.3)
[14:27] <michaelforrest> whoever's done the kubuntu.org homepage: there are two L's in 'finally'.
[14:27] <a|wen> neversfelde: which version of firefox ... seems to work fine here on 3.5.3
[14:27] <neversfelde> yes, lenovo ideapad s12 here
[14:27] <Riddell> michaelforrest: doh!
[14:27] <neversfelde> a|wen: 3.5.3 too
[14:27] <Riddell> who knows how to use krita?
[14:27] <ulysses__> Lenovo Ideapad (?) G550L
[14:27] <a|wen> Riddell: don't we have it as an svg or something?
[14:27] <neversfelde> I konw that someone should package koffice rc :)
[14:27] <neversfelde> is someone doing it atm?
[14:27] <Riddell> a|wen: no that's all we have
[14:28] <neversfelde> I have my desktop back and could try it
[14:28] <Riddell> neversfelde: nobody is onto it yet
[14:28] <neversfelde> ok, I'll start this evening
[14:28] <Riddell> thanks
[14:29]  * a|wen gives fixing the banner a shot
[14:30] <neversfelde> I hope launchpad will be there :)
[14:30]  * MsMaco hugs everybody
[14:30] <MsMaco> thank you all for everything you did to make kubuntu karmic AWESOME
[14:31] <Riddell> are we there yet?
[14:31] <Riddell> ooh
[14:31] <ulysses__> is it out?:)
[14:32] <Riddell> I could tell you if kubuntu.org would load :)
[14:32] <MsMaco> people in u-r-p say kubuntu is out
[14:32] <MsMaco> wgrant says k/x/edu websites are all updated
[14:33] <yuriy> \o/ \o/   \o/
[14:33] <Mamarok> lefty changed the topic, yes
[14:33] <Riddell> and I still can't see our download page to check it's updated properly
[14:33] <Riddell> ooh ooh ooh!
[14:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: go go on /topic
[14:33] <Riddell> yay!
[14:33] <Mamarok> done
[14:34]  * Riddell dances
[14:34] <neversfelde> banner works in firefox now
[14:34] <yuriy> uhoh the download page offers a KNE 64-bit. there is no such thing right?
[14:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: I don't know what I did, but I fixed it :)
[14:34] <neversfelde> rofl
[14:35] <neversfelde> now banner is borked again, weird
[14:35]  * neversfelde switches to arora :)
[14:36] <Riddell> well done everyone!
[14:36] <yuriy> congrats everyone!!
[14:37] <Mamarok> congrats everyone, great work!
[14:37] <Riddell> well done Mamarok for rocking user support even when faced with pulseaudio
[14:37] <Riddell> well done yuriy one openoffice icons and userconfig
[14:37] <ulysses__> thanks to every developer
[14:37] <Riddell> well done neversfelde on packaging the beast that is koffice
[14:37] <Mamarok> Riddell: thx :)
[14:38] <neversfelde> Riddell: :) it is really a beast
[14:38] <Riddell> well done ScottK on that whole netbook idea and keeping universe in shape
[14:38] <jjesse> yay great job guys
[14:38] <Riddell> well done MsMaco on papercuts
[14:38] <Mamarok> thx all the devs for their great work facing all odds :)
[14:38] <Mamarok> and well done Riddell !!!
[14:39] <Riddell> well done on ninja kicking a|wen
[14:39] <Mamarok> for keeping that all toghether and providing Irn Bru ;)
[14:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I think it was a good release for everyone.
[14:39]  * \sh needs some strong alcoholic drinks now...today is really not a good day...
[14:40] <\sh> minus the ubuntu release...
[14:40] <a|wen> well done everyone! karmic is rocking!
[14:40] <ulysses__> FINALY
[14:41] <\sh> server without UTC time from another department, power outage of one datacenter, stupid configured and scaled nagios remote cluster
[14:41] <ulysses__> update-notifier-kde -u works:)
[14:41] <Riddell> Nightrose: you should be able to go on that story if you're about
[14:41] <Riddell> ulysses__: let us know of any issues with the upgrade
[14:41] <jjesse> wowo sounds like a terrible day \sh
[14:41] <yuriy> thanks Riddell :)
[14:41] <ulysses__> Riddell: ok, I hope there won't be any problem
[14:42] <Riddell> jjesse: are you still doing the official ubuntu book?
[14:42] <\sh> jjesse, I just forgot the people from support who are thinking that OPS is sitting bored on their a**es
[14:42] <jjesse> Riddell yes i am
[14:42] <jjesse> last time i checked :)
[14:42] <jjesse> got some work for me?
[14:43] <Riddell> no just checking, well done on that jjesse :)
[14:44] <jjesse> hah thanks :)
[14:44] <\sh> official ubuntu book?
[14:44] <jjesse> yeah 4th edition i think is the latest one
[14:46] <Riddell> and of course well done to apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, vorian, shtylman and everyone else who is away working or sleeping or eating during out moment of triumph
[14:47] <\sh> jjesse, oh this book...sadly I don't own an ubuntu book or an ubuntu t-shirt...I'm a bad ubuntu fanboy ;)
[14:47] <jjesse> \sh bummer :)
[14:47] <Riddell> debfx: well done to you too, next time don't wait until the last two weeks to make your contributions :)
[14:47]  * \sh should do LPI-199 still...
[14:51] <a|wen> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/R-lElO.html
[14:51] <ulysses__> 16 packages will be removed, 189 new packages will be installed, 785 will be upgraded. Nedd to download 817M.
[14:51] <ulysses__> about 1 hour 38 minutes
[14:51] <Riddell> I hear some mirros are busy, it may take longer
[14:52] <a|wen> busy might very well be an understatement
[14:52] <ulysses__> I use de.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:52] <yuriy> dl done \o/ now seeding
[14:52] <\sh> Riddell, where are the bandwidth stats ? they were online somewhere, right?
[14:53] <ulysses__> 110-130 kB/s, it is the maximum
[14:53] <Riddell> \sh: they're not online
[14:54] <\sh> Riddell, right, I think maswan gave some last time from .se mirror
[14:55] <Riddell> sometimes sysadmins tell us but they're probably busy rewiring london's internet exchanges now
[14:57] <Riddell> hah, two e-mails already about spelling error in abnner
[15:03]  * Riddell wonders where agateau is at our moment of triumph
[15:04] <agateau> Riddell: @phone :)
[15:05] <Riddell> no break for you guys :)  well done on fd.o notifications, MI, networkmanager fixes and generally putting up with us kubuntu developers bossing you around :)
[15:05] <Riddell> torrent running along nicely, maybe I should get out of bed and have a shower
[15:07] <ulysses__> can't wait for the upgrade
[15:12] <mcas> hiho
[15:14] <Riddell> hi mcas, thanks for your ISO testing
[15:14] <mcas> yw
[15:17] <a|wen_> gah, crappy radeon locking up my system
[15:17] <debfx> Riddell: I would have, but I only recently got my laptop
[15:18] <Riddell> \sh: http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/ubuntu-release.png
[15:19] <\sh> Riddell, cool thx :)
[15:24]  * rgreening wants a 64bit netbook :)
[15:25]  * ulysses__ wants a faster internet:(
[15:29]  * Riddell wonders how http://identi.ca/kubuntunews works
[15:30] <ulysses__> oh, i should subscribe to this:)
[15:33]  * smarter doesn't understand why people would use microblogging to fake RSS feeds
[15:33] <cmvo> Riddell and all: Thanks for another release of Kubuntu!
[15:34] <ulysses__> less an hour downloading left
[15:35] <_kb9vqf> I'm back :)
[15:36] <Riddell> hi kb9vqf
[15:36] <Riddell> thanks cmvo
[15:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the reminder about microblogging.  kubuntunetbook has now remembered to mention the release.
[15:38] <Riddell> don't forget real blogging too
[15:38]  * _kb9vqf thanks Riddell for the KDE3 note in the release announcment
[15:39] <Lex79> congratulations to everyone :)
[15:39]  * Riddell high fives Lex79 
[15:39] <_kb9vqf> KDE4 is getting quite a bit better as of late
[15:39] <_kb9vqf> Good job!
[15:39] <Riddell> kb9vqf: give us more than 5 minutes notice next time :)
[15:39] <_kb9vqf> :)
[15:39] <_kb9vqf> I actully had two disks go out on my server
[15:39] <Riddell> kb9vqf: we'll put you out of business yet!
[15:40] <ScottK> Riddell: He did come by last night while you were sleeping.  I guess you didn't get the highlight.
[15:41] <_kb9vqf> That's when I got my systems back up...two days of downtime *shudders*
[15:41]  * _kb9vqf wonders why Murphy hangs around release day
[15:41] <ScottK> _kb9vqf: Murphy is always around.
[15:42] <_kb9vqf> Just moreso around important dates it would seem
[15:47] <apachelogger> oh
[15:47] <apachelogger> we released?
[15:47]  * apachelogger hugs everyone
[15:51] <ulysses__> :)
[15:54]  * Riddell hugs apachelogger 
[15:59] <apachelogger> how comes I am only ranked 1093 on ohloh -.-
[16:07] <yuriy> ack the logo overlaps "Home" on the website
[16:08] <ulysses__> on the homepage it works well, but on the subpages it overlaps
[16:09] <ulysses__> eh, now it overlaps the "Home" on kubuntu.org also --
[16:12] <txwikinger> \o/ for the release
[16:19] <jrdnyquist> root
[16:19] <jrdnyquist> oops
[16:22] <ScottK> shtylman and yuriy: I uninstalled OOo KDE for troubleshooting and so I got a good look at what your work saved us from.  Thank you again.
[16:30] <apachelogger> function pointers
[16:30] <apachelogger> sick, just sick
[16:40] <Mamarok> Riddell: nice pic, btw, one can see the logo on the helmet quite well now :)
[16:41] <Riddell> phew, glad it doesn't just look like a vanity picture
[16:42] <Riddell> folks: we have the top two slots on planet ubuntu now, let's make that the top 10 slots!
[16:42] <Riddell> go and blog!
[16:42]  * ulysses__ isn't on the planet
[16:44] <ulysses__> downloading finished, now the upgrade begins
[16:47]  * agateau is not on the planet as well :/
[16:49]  * mcas is not blogging 
[16:50] <Riddell> agateau: we need to get you into kubuntu membership.  but you can put it on planet kde at least
[16:50] <jjesse> agateau is not a member of kubuntu?
[16:50] <agateau> jjesse: not yet
[16:51] <agateau> how do I join?
[16:51] <smarter> agateau: usually there's a vote during a meeting
[16:52] <agateau> smarter: ok
[16:53] <smarter> I like the photo of the announcement ;) We should do something similar with every Kubuntu dev to promote our slogan "the distro with good looking developers" ;)
[16:53] <ulysses__> :D
[16:53] <jjesse> i just assumed he was am meber
[16:54] <agateau> and what are the requirements to get accepted?
[16:54] <ScottK> Once agateau is a member, he can vote for Kubuntu Council (who is who decides if his stuff gets in the distro).
[16:54] <agateau> ScottK: mmm smells like conflict of interests
[16:55] <agateau> but then I guess other members also tries to get their stuff in the distro?
[16:55] <ScottK> agateau: It's the same requirements as for Ubuntu membership generally (and being a Kubuntu member makes you an Ubuntu member also), but focused around Kubuntu stuff.
[16:56]  * smarter was going to link to the page about that on the wiki but apparently it's down
[16:56] <smarter> I sure hope that Moore's law catches up with the increase in users
[16:56] <ScottK> agateau: Yes, but perhaps with less controversy.
[16:57] <agateau> ScottK: indeed,
[16:57] <agateau> ScottK: well I could just abstain on voting for my own stuff
[16:57] <ScottK> No need.  If you get made a member, you deserve the vote.
[16:58] <agateau> ok
[16:58] <ScottK> You'll just have to remember what hat you're wearing when you vote (Kubuntu, not Ayatana)
[16:58] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:58] <agateau> I am used to switching hats :)
[16:59] <agateau> But you can't expect me to vote against my work
[16:59] <ulysses__> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[16:59] <agateau> ulysses__: thanks
[16:59] <ulysses__> yw
[16:59] <Sput> \sh: should be in front of la cage more or less in time
[17:00] <Sput> I'm home now, need to go to the store real quick and start laundry, then I'll leave
[17:01] <\sh> Sput, ok...we will leave the office also...
[17:02] <yuriy> oops wrong CD
[17:03] <ulysses__> 2 minutes left, and the upgrade complete
[17:04] <yuriy> never did a dist-upgrade with a CD before, didn't think to download the alternate
[17:05] <ulysses__> I use the graphical method, Alt+F2, then "update-notifier-kde -u"
[17:16] <ulysses__> The distribution upgrade from Jaunty Jackalop is complete. The system is running, I don't see any problems. Thanks to every developer.
[17:17] <jjesse> yay
[17:24] <yuriy> uhoh not enough space. 2 gigs to upgrade huh
[17:29] <ScottK> ulysses__: You're welcome.  Thanks for testing.
[17:30] <ulysses__> I hope I can contribute more in the future
[17:33]  * ulysses__ go to write blog about Kubuntu (in Hungarian:P)
[17:41] <ScottK> debfx: Quassel 0.5 is in jaunty-backports now.   It ought to be available in a few hours.
[17:46] <debfx> ScottK: thanks, but I think you missed those actions/im*.png and actions/irc*.png icons
[17:46] <ScottK> Did I?
[17:46]  * ScottK checks
[17:47] <ScottK> Yeah, I did.  Thanks.
[17:52] <Mamarok> Riddell: blogged.
[18:26] <yuriy> uhoh upgrade crashed
[18:26] <yuriy> got dr konqi saying kdesudo crashed, no trace
[18:26] <Riddell> waa, that sounds like what _Sime had
[18:27] <yuriy> the dialog says 38% and "applying changes" and everything else on there disappeared
[18:28] <Riddell> yuriy: file a bug with the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[18:29] <yuriy> Riddell: according to ps this is the command being run: http://paste.ubuntu.com/304471/plain/
[18:29] <yuriy> Riddell: against upgrade-manager?
[18:29] <Riddell> yeah
[18:33] <yuriy> I think it has something to do with python modules getting overwritten in the process
[18:40] <ewoerner> http://www.kubuntu.org/tour : "Learn about <package management> in Kubuntu."
[18:40] <ewoerner> this is not meant seriously, is it?
[18:40] <ulysses__> o.O
[18:41] <ulysses__> I try to open the link, now more and more konqueror windows open, it's an endless loop
[18:42] <yuriy> ewoerner: indeed wth
[18:43] <yuriy> ulysses__: not getting that
[18:43] <ulysses__> hm, no konqeuror window opens, but more and more konqeuror icon spawns on the panel
[18:43] <Mamarok> ulysses__: from quassel? never click directly on that link, it runs completely wild
[18:43] <Mamarok> that's a Quassel bug
[18:43] <ulysses__> Mamarok: from irssi
[18:44] <Mamarok> strange, let me see...
[18:44] <Mamarok> no problem here, so I guess it's a Konqi problem, since I use Chromium
[18:45] <txwikinger> Don't think it is quassel.. works here
[18:45] <txwikinger> I notice there is some problem when the default app is not set right
[18:45] <Mamarok> just a question about the definition of the backports repo here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Ubuntu%20Updates :
[18:46] <ulysses__> http://imagebin.ca/view/xwAdQR.html
[18:46] <Mamarok> "  and have not been sufficiently tested to be included in the 'proposed' repository." wtf?
[18:46] <Mamarok> isn't that the other way round?
[18:46] <Mamarok> porposed is for testing and backports is the new version, just not supported?
[18:46] <ulysses__> txwikinger: you might be right, I upgraded from Jaunty, I used firefox 3.5 as defaulkt browser, but its command was other than the 'normal' firefox
[18:46] <Mamarok> ouch, and the website talks about Hardy...
[18:47] <Mamarok> ulysses__: yep, I had that with all links I clicked in Quassel, too
[18:47] <Mamarok> made me change back to irssi
[18:47] <ulysses__> yeah, I haven't got any browser default
[18:47] <txwikinger> well.. add the %u to the browser call in default apps
[18:48] <txwikinger> or use the default
[18:48] <ulysses__> added firefox to default, de problem solved
[19:02] <Mamarok> what's the best solution for a stalled package download, killing and trying again?
[19:03] <kb9vqf> Mamarok: Most likely; if the system hasn't started actually _installing_ anything yet.
[19:04] <Mamarok> and it will not lock the process?
[19:04] <kb9vqf> It shouldn't; the dpkg lock should be released as soon as the download is cancelled
[19:04] <Mamarok> apparently quite a few people run into upgrade problems, is this only the server load?
[19:05]  * kb9vqf has no idea
[19:05] <txwikinger> yeah.. probably everybody is trying to get the files from the server right now
[19:11] <Mamarok> what's the exact package name of the dist-upgrade tool?
[19:17] <Lex79> ScottK: do you know if firefox-3.5 depends on synaptic? some users complain about that...
[19:21] <ulysses__> Lex79: it depends on a lot of stupid package
[19:21] <ulysses__> software-properties-gtk, gnome-keyring, ...
[19:22] <Lex79> if it depends on synaptic too is very stupid
[19:22] <_Sime> Riddell: I was upgrading with KDE 4.3 packages (ppa) already installed, if that matters.
[19:23] <ulysses__> Lex79: no problem, if you install firefox-3.5 in konsole, use --no-install-recommends
[19:23] <Mamarok> folks, I could really need some help in #kubuntu, half of the questions I don't know how to answer
[19:24] <Mamarok> is there a channel for the plasma-netbook remix?
[19:24] <jjesse> #kubuntu-netbook
[19:27] <Mamarok> jjesse: thx
[19:43] <Mamarok> when somebody chooses the password option in the Karmic install, it asks if you want to use the password to decrypt, but I guess that doesn't trigger a fs encryption, doens't it?
[19:52] <Mamarok> I will have to leave soon, can somebody give a hand in #kubuntu, please? Seems I am alone there
[20:23] <ryanakca> Anybody have figures on the size of our userbase?
[20:30] <yuriy> ryanakca: well at least 1300 people have downloaded karmic 64bit via bittorrent ;)
[20:30] <ryanakca> yuriy: *nod*
[20:43] <ulysses__> I upgraded via internet:) (x86_84)
[21:03]  * jad waves
[21:03] <jad> How is the release going so far?
[21:04] <jad> Small Note you may want to update www.kubuntu.org/faq
[21:05] <ulysses__> hello jad
[21:05] <jad> Hello :)
[21:05] <jad> Saw your dent
[21:07] <ulysses__> most user like a kid, they can't wait for the release:) some peploe thought, they can download karmic at 0:00 29th october:)
[21:08] <jad> ulysses__: I downloaded it 5 weeks ago :)
[21:08] <jad> I like to beat the rush :)
[21:09] <ulysses__> :D
[21:09] <jad> Ok trying to see if Windows is chainloaded
[21:09] <ulysses__> I used alpha 4 on a physical machine, until alpha 5, but on my laptop I used Jaunty
[21:09] <jad> REboot!
[21:09] <jad> Wait let me move /home off /
[21:10] <jad> Wow that looks weird in writing :)
[21:11] <jad> Ok guess something killed X
[21:13] <ulysses__> X uses too much CPU:)
[21:13] <jad> I hate X
[21:13] <Lure> congrats and thanks to all kubuntu devels for fine karmic release
[21:14]  * allee-k_ nods
[21:14] <jad> Konfetti for all!
[21:17] <claydoh> yes, all the devs did a *fantastic* job, and also remained good-looking at the same time :)
[21:18]  * claydoh wishes he was able to run Karmic here at work, but then he would never get any real work done :/
[21:39] <Nightrose> Blizzz: email?
[21:39] <Nightrose> (re wave)
[21:40] <Blizzz> Nightrose: blizzz@arthur-schiwon.de :)
[21:40] <Nightrose> k
[21:41] <Nightrose> Blizzz: done - no idea how long it will take to get to you
[21:42] <Blizzz> Nightrose: i am patient. ty!
[21:45] <ulysses__> uhm, what program made the following output? it's a graphical program, and I can't find which http://pastebin.com/m5fd5dd73
[21:45] <ulysses__> (I want to translete it if it's possible)
[21:46] <ulysses__> the window appears after login the fresh-installed kubuntu karmic
[21:53] <_Sime> after a little bit of package compiling, I've got X working again on my laptop... so I'm happy again.
[21:54] <_Sime> well done team Kubuntu for Karmic!
[22:03] <yuriy> running Karmic on my work computer now. only problem so far is it didn't mount the usbfs in my fstab
[22:32] <shtylman> Riddell ScottK :)
[22:33]  * jad waves
[22:43] <StyXman> any pykde guy awake? I'm getting a compilation error «include/kcategorydrawer.h:37: error: non-static const member ‘KCategoryDrawer::Private* const KCategoryDrawer::d’, can't use default assignm»
[22:43] <StyXman> ent operator
[22:44] <StyXman> I'm getting this since I started trying compile pykde
[22:45] <StyXman> I'm using qt from git, sip from latest release, kdelibs from trunk and pyqt from realease 4.6.1
[22:45] <vorian> StyXman: best bet would be in #kde-devel then
[22:45] <StyXman> and i cannot even find where to report the error
[22:45] <vorian> bugs.kde.org
[22:46] <StyXman> vorian: ah, sorry, I read this in techbase: «The IRC channel #kubuntu-devel on freenode often has PyKDE programmers in it. »
[22:46] <vorian> but someone on #kde-devel should be around to help
[22:46] <StyXman> ok
[22:46] <vorian> it's true
[22:46] <StyXman> (also, I cannot find either kdebindings or pykde in bugs.kde.org)
[22:46] <vorian> hrm
[22:46] <StyXman> so I thought they might be using their own bugtracker
[22:46] <MsMaco> people probably out celebrating the new release ;)
[22:47] <MsMaco> instead of beingon irc
[22:47] <StyXman> ow, true
[22:47] <vorian> yeah, also 4.3.3 is being tagged too
[22:47] <vorian> tag!
[22:47] <vorian> (not it)
[22:47] <StyXman> :)
[22:47] <StyXman> what a night for asking for help, then :)
[22:48]  * vorian is checking other places
[22:49]  * vorian can't remember simons irc nick
[22:51] <StyXman> beh, it's 'bindings' in b.k.o
[22:56] <Riddell> StyXman: you want _Sime
[22:56] <Riddell> he maintains pykde
[22:56] <jad> hi jjesse-netbook How are you?
[22:56] <jjesse-netbook> hello jad how are you ?
[22:56] <jjesse-netbook> im good
[22:57] <Riddell> jad: what needs updating on the faq page (and are you volunteering to do it? :)
[22:57] <jad> I'm fine 9.10 broke this computer ;)
[22:57] <vorian> Riddell + Kayak + Near Death + caught on camera == Priceless
[22:57] <vorian> that is an awesome pic
[22:57] <jad> Riddell: It speaks about what's new in Ibex it points to 8.10 docs and there is a hanging " after the word Windows
[22:57] <Riddell> _Sime: what happed to X on your laptop?
[22:58] <StyXman> Riddell: tx
[22:59] <StyXman> even better, there's a #kde-bindings :
[22:59] <StyXman> :)
[23:01] <Riddell> jad: you didn't answer my second question :)
[23:02] <jad> I am if you would like me too but just not right now
[23:02] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm working on Qt 4.6 beta, I'll upload tomorrow I think
[23:02] <jad> No GUI and no time I can come on later if you like
[23:02] <Lex79> where? to experimental?
[23:02] <Riddell> Lex79: oh great, using the packaging from experimental?
[23:02] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm using packaging from bzr
[23:05] <Riddell> Lex79: ok, it might be easier to just use the pacakging from the tech preview which is in experimental, the patches there are already sorted for 4.6 (by sorted mostly I just removed them if they didn't apply)
[23:05] <Riddell> but whatever works for you
[23:05] <Riddell> and yes please upload to experimental PPA
[23:08] <Lex79> ok Riddell :) I'll look also the Debian packaging for see their changes
[23:09] <Riddell> I don't know where Debian is at
[23:10] <Riddell> but it would probably be sensible just to open lucid with qt 4.6
[23:10] <Lex79> they switched to dh in rules
[23:10] <Riddell> so if debian has 4.6 and you want to do a full merge then feel free
[23:32] <EagleScreen> is possible to choose between Kubuntu Desktop and Kubuntu netwbook from kdm to start??
[23:33] <Riddell> EagleScreen: no, that's missing
[23:33] <Riddell> it needs fiddling with upstream stuff to have a way to do it
[23:33] <yuriy> shtylman: seen http://looksblo.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/the-secet-of-peace-and-harmo-or-static-layouts-suck/ ?
[23:36] <MsMaco> Riddell: whatdya do? killall plasma-desktop && plasma-netbook?
[23:36] <MsMaco> (or vice versa) ?
[23:37] <Riddell> MsMaco: I don't follow, what's your question?
[23:37] <Riddell> currently it starts whatever is installed, it ought to be a configuration option somewhere
[23:37] <EagleScreen> and can I change between Kubuntu default desktop and Kubuntu netbook in any way?
[23:37] <Riddell> and an x session KDM option
[23:38] <Riddell> EagleScreen: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook
[23:38] <MsMaco> Riddell: can you kill whicher is running and start the other?
[23:38] <Riddell> MsMaco: yes you can
[23:38] <MsMaco> s/whicher/whichever/
[23:39] <jjesse-netbook> there is no configuration yet is what Riddell is saying
[23:39] <jjesse-netbook> like in system settings or something like that
[23:47] <Riddell> vorian: that wasn't near death!  that was a very controlled eskimo roll while surfing manoever
[23:50] <EagleScreen> sorry by asking this here, but do you know if it is possible to disable the Desktop switching by mouse scroll?
[23:51] <Riddell> I don't know
[23:51] <EagleScreen> is it an upstream feature?
[23:53] <Riddell> yes