[00:00] <seige36> byron that is what im trying to do! i had it working for a while but as soon as i reboot its gone, and now the original script doesnt work
[00:00] <Luggage> the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the interface, gnome or kde, so they use prebuilt aps for pack man etc that were made for kde or gnome respectively
[00:00] <rasstar> i don't asee the new ubuntu software center any where to download
[00:00] <Luggage> what pack manager does ubuntu have?
[00:00] <Byron> seige36: Sorry. No clue then. Those bindings are usually concrete when changes.
[00:00] <Byron> s/changes/changed
[00:00] <Werenerd> rasstar: That has been an area of contention for years. Adept was getting better, but Kpackagekit just blows
[00:01] <seige36> byron KDE uses the win key as a modifier key, like alt and cannot be used by itself to assigned a function
[00:01] <rasstar> actually referring to the one in ubuntu 9.10
[00:01] <rasstar> it has a nice software center
[00:01] <Byron> seige36: I know it's the meta key, but I think there has to be a way of doing it.
[00:01] <Werenerd> Ubuntu has Synaptic. An excellent package manager
[00:01] <Luggage> (i btw installed synaptic and got rid of the default pack manager in kubuntu)
[00:01] <Luggage> and often use apt-get too in console
[00:02] <Werenerd> Luggage: I use Synaptic on my Kubuntu. Looks ugly, but it is the best one out there.
[00:02] <rasstar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_Software_Center.png
[00:02] <Luggage> rasstar doesn seem to get they can be interchanged, kubuntu, ubuntu, other distro
[00:02] <rasstar> so i have tro install uuntu then change desktops?
[00:02] <Luggage> no
[00:03] <Luggage> you want a different package manager?
[00:03] <Luggage> install a different package manager
[00:03] <Luggage> you can have both
[00:03] <Luggage> or neither and use another
[00:03] <Werenerd> rasstar: you can install GTK, QT, FLTK and any other toolkit application in all linux distro's. You will just have to put up with lots of dependencies being installed with it too
[00:03] <rasstar> i don't see that one any where
[00:03] <Luggage> i told you both methods before
[00:03] <Luggage> for ease open konsole
[00:03] <Luggage> type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[00:03] <Luggage> type your password
[00:04] <rasstar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_Software_Center.png
[00:04] <Luggage> wait till done
[00:04] <Werenerd> Konsole is only good if you know exactly what you want and how to spell it
[00:04] <rasstar> is that synaptic?
[00:04] <Luggage> use synaptic
[00:04] <Luggage> well he can copy and paste what I write
[00:04] <Luggage> if you don know an apps name use
[00:04] <Werenerd> rasstar: the software store is not release yet. Unless it is in the RC.
[00:04] <rasstar> it is
[00:04] <Luggage> apt-cache search [keywords here]
[00:04] <rasstar> that's the one i was trying to use
[00:04] <Byron> Werenerd: Yes, too bad there's no 'read my mind and do it for me' package
[00:05] <Luggage> im playing that package right now pretty much
[00:05] <rasstar> why do you prefer kde over gnome
[00:05] <Luggage> if he copies and pastes the sudo apt-get line i wrote into konsole heĺl find synaptic in his 'start menu' soon enough :)
[00:05] <Werenerd> Byron: Synaptic is teh closest thing! Of course I heard that pacman+Shaman on Arch/Chakra is a good system too.
[00:05] <Luggage> I got both
[00:05] <Luggage> I can pick in login screen
[00:06] <Werenerd> rasstar: GNOME dumbs things down to much and is far too rigid.
[00:06] <Luggage> but prefer kde
[00:06] <Werenerd> it is an excellent work DE, but not much fun to tinker with.
[00:06] <Luggage> gnome is only there because a program i use needs pretty much all the gnome libraries to run
[00:06] <Werenerd> That is purely my opinion though
[00:06] <Luggage> well i tend to get into console for tinkering :)
[00:07] <Luggage> despite being a windows user up to 2 days ago
[00:07] <Werenerd> You know, I always thought GNOME was more like Windows than KDE. I don't know why people keep saying KDE is windows-like
[00:07] <Luggage> but then I was a dos user before that
[00:07] <Luggage> and an amiga user before that
[00:07] <rasstar> i thought kde was more like windows hence the reason i prefer it a little
[00:07] <Luggage> it is
[00:07] <Luggage> in that it tries to make as much as possible graphic
[00:08] <Byron> Luggage: But copy and paste is too hard
[00:08] <Luggage> I don mind using old fashioned typed commands but do realize it's not for the future or the masses :)
[00:08] <rasstar> i wonder if the software store will be in the final build
[00:08] <Luggage> lol byron
[00:08] <Werenerd> rasstar: I like all the options to play with in KDE. I like the styles better too. The only thing I like better about GNOME that I can think of is the sheer number of window decorations.
[00:10] <Luggage> I just like the taskbar
[00:10] <Luggage> you can say its window-ish
[00:10] <Luggage> maybe it is
[00:10] <Luggage> maybe the start menu idea was just a good design choice :)
[00:11] <Luggage> and i do graphics so i appreciate the attention to graphic design and lay-out in kde 4
[00:11] <ubox> me too Luggage
[00:12] <Luggage> its a matter of perspective, if linux wants to go more mainstream user then it has to be "i don know squat about technology" type user-proof
[00:12] <Luggage> a command line isn't
[00:13] <rasstar> i like the built-in desktop search. i can't live without that
[00:13] <Luggage> ah well just a noob myself
[00:13] <Luggage> or the rest, pretty much any linux distro
[00:13] <Luggage> linux=linux
[00:13] <rasstar> gnome needs to be updated. i swear it looks the same as when i tried it a few years ago
[00:13] <Luggage> and you can build it into whatever you want
[00:13] <Luggage> by adding-removing packages
[00:14] <rasstar> how can i easily remove some of the software
[00:14] <rasstar> for eg that konquerow web browser
[00:14] <Luggage> like the desktops are packages running on the same core (ubuntu or kubuntu) install ubuntu-desktop remove kubuntu desktop and you have converted to ubuntu
[00:15] <Luggage> use the supplied package manager, or synaptic if you have installed it by now lol
[00:15] <Luggage> or use apt-get in konsole
[00:15] <Werenerd> rasstar: I don't know if you can remove Konqueror without uninstalling a bunch of other stuff
[00:15] <Luggage> you can
[00:15] <rasstar> the problem is these things install so many different things
[00:15] <Luggage> it wont remove packages anything else is depending on
[00:15] <Werenerd> That's why I do a minimal install and build it up after the fact.
[00:15] <Luggage> i replaced konqueror with firefox
[00:16] <Luggage> the supplied messenger with pidgin
[00:16] <snarkster> can any of you help me with a corrupted amarok database?
[00:16] <rasstar> how do you do a minimal install
[00:16] <Luggage> vlc as media player
[00:16] <snarkster> luggage i did all that to
[00:16] <snarkster> except the vlc part, i use mplayer
[00:16] <Luggage> it was a reply to <Werenerd> rasstar: I don't know if you can remove Konqueror without uninstalling a bunch of other stuff
[00:16] <Werenerd> rasstar: you said you were new to this right? I don't think you will want to do it. It is a 10 MB download. You have to install everything else
[00:16] <Luggage> if it wouldn
[00:17] <Luggage> t work
[00:17] <Luggage> sorry
[00:17] <Luggage> if it wouldnt work id remember reinstalling kubuntu today ;)
[00:18] <Luggage> yes i stick with the normal install
[00:18] <rasstar> i see
[00:18] <Luggage> get comfy with the apps, comfy with installing removing apps (like the pack manager)
[00:18] <rasstar> so what is an easy way to get rid of some of the software and all depending packages like konqueror
[00:18] <snarkster> i installed ubuntu first then add kde on top of that, so I have the best of both worlds. LOL
[00:19] <snarkster> I even use gnome network manager.. as knetworkmanager just isnt working for me
[00:19] <Luggage> and you likely have to get more comfortable with manually setting up hardware settings and drivers. im not much hlp there lol
[00:19] <Werenerd> rasstar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:19] <rasstar> why would they default with that browser. why nto firefox
[00:19] <Luggage> in kubuntu?
[00:19] <Luggage> simple
[00:19] <snarkster> ubuntu uses firefox.
[00:19] <Luggage> they chose software that was 100% free
[00:19] <Luggage> firefox aint
[00:19] <Luggage> and software that was made for kde in kubuntu's case
[00:19] <Werenerd> rasstar: Konqueror also integrates with KDE better.
[00:19] <Luggage> kde desktop ...
[00:20] <rasstar> firefox not free?
[00:20] <Luggage> firefox isnt 4 kde specifically
[00:20] <Luggage> well to use
[00:20] <rasstar> how so ?
[00:20] <Luggage> the sourcecode aint i believe
[00:20] <rasstar> how is firefox not for kde?
[00:20] <Luggage> the *buntu team tries to use only truly open packages pre-installed
[00:20] <Werenerd> rasstar: Luggage the only thing not free about Firefox is the branding. That is why we have Iceweasel
[00:21] <Luggage> and then designed for the desktop depending on if you want gnomebuntu or kdebuntu
[00:21] <Werenerd> rasstar: Firefox is not a QT application. That's what he means by it is not a KDE application.
[00:22] <Luggage> finding it har to explain i just read all of this yesterday (something you could do too... whether you google it or ask, youĺl still have to read the replies ;) )
[00:22] <rodensky> ubuntu 9.10 already out?
[00:23] <Luggage> www.kubuntu.org
[00:23] <Werenerd> rodensky: not yet, just the RC. 10-29 is the release date
[00:23] <rodensky> in my country it's alreasy the 29th :)
[00:23] <Luggage> same
[00:23] <Luggage> 1:23
[00:23] <rodensky> *already
[00:23] <Werenerd> rodensky: lol. Pardon my presumption. Where are you guys?
[00:23] <rodensky> 02:30
[00:23] <Luggage> holland
[00:24] <rodensky> israel (but right now i'm in romania)
[00:24] <rodensky> (anyway it's the same hour)
[00:24] <Werenerd> This is why I love IRC and *buntu channels. I get to talk to people from all over the world and still find common ground
[00:25] <Luggage> :)
[00:25] <Werenerd> Oh, BTW I'm in the USA (Ohio to be exact)
[00:25] <Luggage> creationist?
[00:25] <snarkster> in USA Arizona
[00:26] <Luggage> scientologist?
[00:26] <Werenerd> Luggage: ? You talking to me?
[00:26] <Luggage> no? good :)
[00:26] <Luggage> just kidding
[00:26] <Luggage> i was bugged by a creationist earlier
[00:26] <Werenerd> snarkster: Ugh, how do you stand the heat out there?!
[00:26] <Luggage> sorry bad joke
[00:27] <Werenerd> Luggage: Ah. No, I don't belong to and mindwarping reliogous theocracy. Like all things, when the get too big, it is no longer about the people but about power and money.
[00:27] <rodensky> werenerd, we are not on common ground.... i'm in europe :P
[00:27] <Luggage> that is common ground
[00:28] <Luggage> we settled the place initially ;)
[00:28] <Werenerd> I think we drove rasstar away
[00:28] <Luggage> they are our kids philosophically speaking :)
[00:28] <snarkster> you get used to the heat
[00:28] <Luggage> its getting cold here, could do with some of that heat :)
[00:29] <rodensky> luggage, they are not my kids, genetically we're not even related :D
[00:29] <Werenerd> I went out to Phoenix once... In a September. I landed at 23:30. It was over 100 F!
[00:29] <Luggage> i said philosophically
[00:29] <Luggage> :)
[00:29] <Luggage> i wont bore you with the scientific inaccuracy of your statement :p
[00:29] <rodensky> yeah, i know, but even that does not apply to me :)
[00:30] <Werenerd> Is there anyone in here with more experience than me? I think I saw earlier everyone was sauing they are newbies
[00:30] <Luggage> depends
[00:30] <snarkster> depends
[00:30] <Luggage> apparantly being noob and new arent all the same as ive did my fair share of helping noobs on my secon day of running a linux distro as main os
[00:31] <Werenerd> A lot of people just don't like to read I guess
[00:31] <Luggage> i think so
[00:32] <Luggage> and i think i just have an affinity with pc's
[00:32] <Werenerd> I have been Windows free for about...2.5 years now I think
[00:32] <rodensky> <-- less then one year
[00:32] <Luggage> others have an affinity playing music, driving etc.. nothing derogatory meant
[00:33] <Luggage> i still like windows but tired of xp
[00:33] <Werenerd> It's funny, I have become a much better person since switching. No, really. I haven't pirated software of any sort since switching. I kind of got into the free as in freedom thing
[00:33] <Luggage> cant afford 7
[00:33] <Luggage> dont whant a pirated os again
[00:33] <Luggage> so i thouht i try kubuntu for 'real'
[00:33] <rodensky> and even i'm not completely winfree, since too many israeli sites still do not work on non-ie browsers :\
[00:33] <rodensky> *and even now
[00:33] <Luggage> not just my backtrack pc problem solving tool live cd
[00:33] <Werenerd> Luggage: exactly. I did the same thing before Vista.
[00:34] <Luggage> i still have windows xp pro on dualboot for 3d max flight sim and other stuff i need thats not available on linux
[00:34] <Werenerd> I heard about all the DRM that was coming in Vista and jut decided I no longer wanted to be a part of Windows land. Haven't regretted it yet. I even switched my in-laws to Ubuntu
[00:34] <Luggage> like adobe's suite
[00:34] <Werenerd> I go over maybe once a month to update. No viruses anymore. No screwy behavior. It's great
[00:35] <Luggage> i stayed away from vista because initial signs weren 2 good
[00:35] <Luggage> and the every second os is good rule with ms releases
[00:35] <rodensky> i tried vista on my father's pc...
[00:35] <Luggage> 95 bad, 98 good, me bad, xp good vista bad, 7 good
[00:35] <rodensky> yuch...
[00:35] <Luggage> seems to be coming true again from what I read about 7
[00:35] <Werenerd> I just can't see spending money on a Windows OS when I can get so much more for free.
[00:35] <Luggage> would like to try it
[00:36] <Luggage> well I miss my games, 3d max, photoshop and flight simulator x on linux :(
[00:36] <Luggage> and haven gotten gaming running quite yet
[00:36] <Luggage> only tried teeworlds
[00:36] <Werenerd> rodensky: I had it on my Laptop for school. Ugh. It was awful.
[00:36] <Luggage> but despite nvidia 180 drivers its not really up to spec
[00:36] <Luggage> and no sound only in teeworlds so far
[00:37] <Werenerd> I guess I shoud clarify my earlier statement. I was windows free in the home. School and work still use Windows.
[00:37] <rodensky> my grandfather has vista and it seems that he had a better time with xp
[00:37] <Luggage> everything has itś use
[00:37] <Luggage> windows too its not a bad os
[00:37] <rodensky> i'm coming home for two weeks in dec-jan and i want to switch him to ubuntu 9.10 :)
[00:37] <Luggage> if windows users knew half as mucha bout their os then linux users do about theirs
[00:37] <rodensky> i mean, his pc
[00:37] <Luggage> you see much less complaining
[00:38] <rodensky> appearently my grandfather will stay in his older version :P
[00:38] <Werenerd> I will admit that if you get a retail compy and not an OEM  of Vista, it's a lot better. No crapware preinstalled=good
[00:38] <Luggage> my last install of xp ran stable for 2 years with gaming experimenting etc. :)
[00:38] <Luggage> I have a corporate licence xp sp3
[00:38] <Luggage> cd
[00:38] <Werenerd> Woah, just noticed the time. I have to go tuck the kids in. Later all.
[00:39] <Luggage> later werenerd
[00:39] <rodensky> what time is it in ohio right now anyway?
[00:40] <Luggage> wb
[00:40] <rodensky> oh god i got to stop speaking romanian all day... i completely forgot how to spell things in english...
[00:41] <seige36> hey all who was i talking to earlier?
[00:41] <seige36> byron you stilll there?
[00:42] <Byron> seige36: Yes.
[00:43] <seige36> byron i fixed the Super_L error by resetting the keyboard setup and i got the script to work as root (rc.local) how do i run this as user?
[00:44] <Byron> Put it into your user's .bashrc file
[00:45] <Byron> Or, set it up so it runs as 'sudo script'
[00:45] <seige36> where is the bashrc file?
[00:46] <Byron> .bashrc
[00:46] <Byron> it is located in the user's home directory
[00:46] <xanela8> holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[00:47] <seige36> got it tanks, and at the beginning or end? and do i need to just put the path to the script? its executable
[00:47] <Byron> Anywhere in there, BUT, be it's best to put it at the end
[00:47] <xanela8> a k andaud
[00:47] <Byron> !es | xanela8
[00:47] <xanela8> ijos
[00:49] <KurtKraut> What would be the proper command to pop up a message in Kubuntu? I need an equivalent to notify-send (Gnome)
[00:52] <Luggage> notification-daemon ?
[00:54] <KurtKraut> Luggage, I belive this is a package, not a command.
[00:55] <Luggage> yes itś the equivalent to the package notify-send is part of uner gnome
[00:55] <Luggage> doing a google on it might reveale the commands that go with it
[00:55] <Luggage> reveal*
[00:56] <Luggage> or install the package that has notify-send
[00:56] <Luggage> and just use notify-send as you would under gnome
[00:58] <seige36> alright i restarted and my .bashrc file puts out a bunch of errors
[00:58] <Byron> seige36: What are the errors?
[00:58] <seige36> it wont enter
[00:59] <seige36> home/seige/.bashrc: 15: shopt: not found /home/seige/.bashrc: 21: shopt: not found /etc/bash_completion: 32: [[: not found /etc/bash_completion: 38: [[: not found /etc/bash_completion: 50: Bad substitution
[01:03] <seige36> im reinstalling bash byron ill see if that helps
[01:04] <Luggage> ow btw kurtktraut, you can install notify-send by installing libnotify-bin through package manager or sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin in konsole
[01:06] <KurtKraut> Luggage, bull's eye! You got it, thats the package. Thaks for your help.
[01:06] <Luggage> np
[01:07]  * Luggage continues watching supernatural
[01:12] <Deihmos> finally got kubuntu up and runnign
[01:12] <Deihmos> i like it
[01:12] <Deihmos> nvidia driver not installing though
[01:12] <Deihmos> worked fine in ubuntu
[01:13] <Deihmos> how can i get the MS fonts ?
[01:20] <hormesis> i am a heron. i ahev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak. if u dont repost this msg in ever topic on irc i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> my pots and pans are already messy :(
[01:24] <buckethead> LOL. I don't have any pots and pans.
[01:28] <Luggage-TV> i have no pots an pans in the kitchen
[01:28] <Luggage-TV> still packed, just moved in
[01:49] <seige36> anyone know how to run a sh script on boot as user
[01:49] <seige36> ?
[01:55] <seige36> anyone know how to run a sh script on boot as user?
[01:57] <snarkster> is there a ppa for amarok?
[02:02] <scotty> Hello all. I installed Kubuntu on a laptop that used to have Vista on it and I can't for the life of me get the sound to work. Do you all think you can help?
[02:03] <maco> scotty: try running "alsamixer" in a terminal and make sure everything's unmuted. if you see "MM" at the bottom of a column, it's muted, so press the m key on you computer to unmute. also, use arrow keys to raise volume. esc to leave the mixer
[02:04] <scotty> maco: will do that right now, thank you
[02:04] <maco> scotty: fairly commonly something with an odd name is muted or at a low volume and confuses people
[02:05] <scotty> maco: still  no sound
[02:06] <maco> ok. anything when you run "speakertest"?
[02:06] <maco> if no, its bug filing time :-
[02:06] <maco> :-/
[02:07] <scotty> speakertest isn't even loading from terminal
[02:07] <scotty> i'm new to kubuntu fyi lol
[02:07] <maco> yeah i guessed
[02:08] <scotty> only linux i've used is ubuntu
[02:08] <scotty> this is similar yet way different
[02:08] <maco> usually getting hardware to work is the *first* thing people do ;)
[02:08] <maco> i spelled it wrong :P
[02:08] <maco> speaker-test
[02:08] <maco> with the -
[02:08] <scotty> ok lol
[02:09] <maco> i think i usually type spe then hit tab a couple times
[02:09] <scotty> hearing nothing from it
[02:09] <scotty> lol
[02:09] <maco> blah ok. thats a bug
[02:09] <maco> are you on 9.04 or did you grab the 9.10 rc?
[02:09] <scotty> it's a realtek card
[02:09] <scotty> i grabbed the one on the kubuntu website, for 64 bit
[02:09] <scotty> not sure which one that was lol
[02:10] <maco> ok thats 9.04
[02:10] <maco> 9.10 is being released some time in the next 24
[02:10] <maco> 24 hours
[02:10] <maco> might want to try upgrading to that. a lot of audio bugs were fixed in it
[02:10] <scotty> this is probably going to be the one i am sticking with because this isn't even my laptop
[02:10] <scotty> my cousin wanted me to fix it
[02:10] <maco> also, its reeeeaally awesome
[02:10] <maco> oh
[02:10] <scotty> well, it's a simple realtek audio driver that i need, granted i don't think they make linux ones lol
[02:11] <maco> linux audio drivers are generic
[02:11] <scotty> i should have stuck with ubuntu since i knew ubuntu
[02:11] <maco> so its an hda driver, and in (sorry im going into tech speak now because ive learned a little about it) the realtek file there's a list of "quirks" for how each specific realtek works
[02:11] <scotty> adding applications and things of that nature is easier on ubuntu but kubuntu may not shock him to death since it looks like windows lol
[02:11] <Roey> oh hey.
[02:11] <Roey> It's the 29th here now.  Good.
[02:12] <Roey> maco!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:12] <Roey> :)
[02:12] <maco> the hardware support is the same between kubuntu and ubuntu
[02:12] <Roey> maco, listen, I need serious help
[02:12] <scotty> well maco, i can give you the laptop name and model
[02:12] <maco> Roey: you're interrupting
[02:12] <Roey> alright.
[02:12] <maco> scotty: thats not specific enough :-/
[02:12] <maco> scotty: `lspci -nv | grep -A1 0403`
[02:12] <scotty> um yes and that is foriegnese for what?
[02:12] <scotty> lol
[02:12] <maco> scotty: tell me output of that, and ill look and see if its fixed in 9.10. if it is, i can give you a workaround
[02:13] <maco> scotty: that will give the subsystem vendor and id for the audio chip as integrated into the board
[02:14] <scotty> 00:14.2 0403: 1002:437b (rev 01)
[02:14] <scotty>         Subsystem: 1025:010f
[02:17] <Ev0luti0n_> OMAGAD
[02:17] <Ev0luti0n_> OMAGAD
[02:17] <scotty> i tried to put xp and vista on this but only had a 32bit cd and for some reason this 64 bit processor shuts down the computer when running those
[02:17] <Ev0luti0n_> IS IT AVAILABLE YET?
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> I WANT THE DOWNLOAD LINK ASAP!
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[02:18] <FloodBotK2> Ev0luti0n_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> :x
[02:18] <scotty> maco said 24 hours
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> :o
[02:18] <maco> estimating
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> 24hours for what?
[02:18] <Ev0luti0n_> the rel to be available?
[02:18] <maco> its "while its 29 Oct in at least 1 timezone"
[02:18] <scotty> maco did i give you the right information?
[02:18] <maco> which is....well ok i guess closer to 30 hours
[02:19] <Ev0luti0n_> :'(
[02:20] <scotty> btw i hve 4 updates that are blocked too, not sure if that could be preventing this too
[02:21] <replman> Hi! I'm trying to convert a svg-file into a png-file using "convert". That works fine except for the alpha-channel of the png
[02:24] <tawt> how can i check which version of KDE i have?
[02:25] <scotty> i somehow fixed the sound maco and no idea what i did lol
[02:26] <Roey> tawt:  click on Help->About
[02:26] <maco> scotty: O_o.... ok then
[02:26] <Roey> tawt: in any kde app.  It'll tell you the version of the app and of the version of KDE it's running on
[02:26] <maco> Roey: alright now what did you need?
[02:26] <Roey> maco:  http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/schwarzenegger/
[02:26] <Roey> wait
[02:26] <Roey> nono
[02:26] <FloodBotK2> Roey: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:26] <scotty> i had to turn on some kind of 3d thing lol
[02:27] <Roey> maco:  http://pastebin.com/m225ace9d
[02:27] <Roey> On bootup, the kernel dumps me to a busybox/ash shell after complaining it cannot find /.  This comes off a stock installation of Kubuntu 9.10 (karmic koala).  I have the output of 'blkid' and contents of 'grub.cfg' right here:  http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c
[02:27] <tawt> where is "help" ?
[02:27] <tawt> oh, just on any app?
[02:28] <maco> Roey: hahaha
[02:28] <tawt> ok, thanks
[02:29] <maco> Roey: i dont know about boot process
[02:29] <maco> Roey: though 24 hours ago i wrecked my root filesystem and had to reinstall :P
[02:30] <Roey> ah, ok, so my next question would be, do I need the alt cd if I have an existing raid1 array and wish to keep it intact?
[02:30] <Roey> maco: nice :)  How did you accomplish that??
[02:32] <maco> Roey: interrupted a suspend  so it locked up....i hard powered off, and of course it didnt get a chance to sync to disk...
[02:32] <Roey> wow
[02:32] <Roey> go you :)
[02:32] <Roey> where is dtchen btw?
[02:33] <maco> fsck'd 3 times. then itd only boot with / mounted read-only :-/
[02:33] <maco> no idea
[02:33] <maco> his laptop's at home. he's not
[02:33] <Roey> ah
[02:33] <Roey> eek
[02:33] <Roey> at least you can boot your system; I cannot
[02:33] <maco> maybe he's on a date *shrug*
[02:33] <scotty> heh it takes forever to install .deb packages
[02:33] <maco> yeah but once booted it was useless :P  i backed up /etc and my installed-package list, then reinstalled
[02:34] <maco> scotty: fixing it will require chrooting in from a livecd, but thats all i know.
[02:34] <scotty> fixing what?
[02:34]  * scotty is confused
[02:35] <Roey> maco: operating on a livecd is depressing
[02:35] <Roey> it saps my resolve
[02:35] <Roey> especially considering how I've been on it for the past two days
[02:35] <scotty> oh god yes roey, goes so slow on a livecd
[02:36] <maco> scotty: roey's system is broken
[02:36] <scotty> that sucks
[02:36] <Roey> and you have to re-set alllllllll the config settings (make all the fonts bigger in quassel/KDE/firefox; apt-get install mdadm; mdadm --assemble --scan; mount ...; chroot into the mounted stuff and try to fix it; forget that I hadn't mounted /proc in the chroot environment; ...)
[02:37] <Roey> every. single. time.
[02:37] <maco> hahaha
[02:37] <Roey> maco, I'm going crazy here.
[02:37] <maco> why dont you bind mount your /home?
[02:37] <maco> thatd handle all your settings
[02:37] <scotty> i downloaded frostwire which is a .deb file and the kpackagekit says it is downloading things now, so confused as to why
[02:37] <Roey> because I'd still have to create the user 'roey'  too
[02:38] <maco> scotty: no....
[02:38] <maco> scotty: the UID has to match, not the user
[02:38] <maco> bah!
[02:38] <maco> Roey: ^
[02:38] <Roey> nono
[02:38] <maco> Roey: what UID does the livecd run as? i assumed 1000
[02:38] <Roey> I meant,
[02:38] <Roey> oh, true that.
[02:38] <scotty> oh haha, reason that was downloading was because it needed sun java, blah
[02:38] <maco> Roey: run "id" and check your UID
[02:38] <Roey> maco: when would I do that btw.
[02:39] <Roey> maco: If I do logout, it logs me out of the session but then what... I don't get a login screen I don't think; it just resets.
[02:39] <maco> Roey: i think youd have to do it then restart gdm
[02:39] <Roey> maco:  kde here
[02:39] <maco> er kdm
[02:39] <maco> whatever!
[02:39] <Roey> aye
[02:39] <Roey> heh
[02:39] <johnb850> new hd in latop, woot, 160 at 5400 rpm ,,,
[02:40] <johnb850> ? shell any one ?
[02:41] <johnb850> id |grep "root" && echo fun
[02:41] <johnb850> if angry, then "mv .kde evil.kde" ... last option ...
[02:41] <Byron> Any recommendations for learning PHP?
[02:42] <johnb850> -- bash rules... but i am a sysadmin ..
[02:42] <johnb850> fun !! type -a [
[02:43] <johnb850> later crew, pacheing all most  done...
[02:44] <Byron> I'm all for bash, but I need to do something in PHP and therefore could use the assistance.
[02:45] <Roey> Riddell: hola Jonathan!
[02:45] <Roey> Riddell: haven't chatted with you in ages :)
[02:45] <Roey> Riddell: had a quick question... On bootup, the kernel dumps me to a busybox/ash shell after complaining it cannot find /.  This comes off a stock installation of Kubuntu 9.10 (karmic koala).  I have the output of 'blkid' and contents of 'grub.cfg' right here:  http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c
[02:46] <Roey> Riddell: I use softraid1; /dev/md0 hosts  /boot and /dev/md1 hosts /.
[02:46] <Roey> Riddell: I installed karmic 9.10 dailybuild from 20091027 or so
[02:46] <Roey> Riddell: 64-bit
[02:47] <Roey> Riddell: And I used the standard CD (I assembled the array and mounted the drives off a livecd, then started the install process and specified /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 for /boot and /, respectively)
[02:49] <scotty> grrr, now i can't get java installed
[02:50] <scotty> downloaded the .bin on the java's website and kubuntu won't let me do anything with it
[02:50] <scotty> downloaded the 64 bit one, assuming i needed that one
[02:53] <scotty> think the 32 bit java would work on the 64 bit processor? don't want to have to redo everything lol
[02:54] <Byron> how can I check for the groups that have been created and assure that my user is in the correct group?
[02:58] <Riddell> Roey: I'm afraid I don't know, I'm not very familiar with raid
[03:01] <scotty> will 32 bit java work for 9.04 64 bit?
[03:10] <Roey> Riddell: ah, ok; can you by any chance point me to someone who would?
[03:10] <Roey> thanks btw
[03:15] <Riddell> Roey: #ubuntu-devel may be able to work out what part of the stack is to blame
[03:15] <Roey> oh wow
[03:15] <Roey> thanks so much!!
[03:19] <linuxguy_> Caan someone oplease tell me where I add modeslines in the xorg.conf file so i can force a 1280x1024 resolution please......im using 1gb 9600gt nvidia card, kubuntu 9.10rc ......compiz etc work fine apart from a widescreen display
[03:21] <Riddell> Roey: it's also three in the morning and people will be sleeping before release time, so try the ubuntu mailing lists if you get no reply
[03:21] <Roey> true
[03:21] <Roey> thanks
[03:21] <Roey> :)
[03:21] <CPrgmSwR2> does anyone have a hp pavilion?
[03:22] <Roey> Riddell: are you coming to this kde thing in january?
[03:22] <Roey> camp kde
[03:22] <Roey> ?
[03:23] <Riddell> Roey: no current plans
[03:23] <Roey> Riddell: aye
[03:41] <seige36> anyone know how to run a sh script on boot as user?
[03:58] <Byron> I can't seem to hold onto a network connection for more than 20 minutes :(
[03:59] <seige36> byron what wm you using?
[03:59] <Byron> seige36: KDE
[04:00] <Byron> wait. let me check on the wm
[04:00] <seige36> is the bar to open stuff on the top or bottom
[04:01] <MsMaco> seige_36: what does that have to do with the wm?
[04:01] <Byron> seige36: I'm using KDE.
[04:02] <seige36>  he is probably using a manager from the wm
[04:02] <seige36> wired or wireless?
[04:02] <Byron> wired
[04:02]  * MsMaco thinks seige_36  is mixing up wm and de
[04:02] <seige36> lol de?
[04:02] <Byron> Desktop Environment
[04:02] <seige36> haha
[04:02] <Byron> My WM is Ozone
[04:04] <seige36> so im newb too :)
[04:05] <MsMaco> my de is kde but my wm is xmonad
[04:05] <seige36> have you tried any other os/distro?
[04:05] <seige36> im asking if you know if its the hardware or software
[04:07] <Byron> I blame the OS-mobo combo
[04:07] <Byron> I dual boot to XP and never have network issues.
[04:08] <Byron> for the most part, I blame the mobo.
[04:08] <Byron> I found out that PCI1, PCI5, AGP and LAN share the same IRQ. I removed what I had on PCI1 and PCI 5, then added a NIC (disabled onboard LAN).
[04:08] <Byron> Still have the same issues
[04:14] <bemlindo> hi
[04:16] <seige_36> hi
[05:11] <Sepling> Is there a way to get back the old super/meta key behaviour where it'll behave both as a standalone key (to, ie., launch the menu) and as a modifier (for amarok hotkeys, etc.)?
[05:16] <bogdanbiv> Hello!
[05:16] <bogdanbiv> Today the new Kubuntu is being released, right?
[05:17] <Sepling> Dang, plasma crashed again.
[05:18] <SilentDis> i take it i'm a little too early for the release?  lol
[05:19] <bogdanbiv> SilentDis: Hmm, me too!
[05:20] <SilentDis_> i figure, if they're not going to use fiber line they have, I should!
[05:24] <bogdanbiv> Or people should use bittorrent/local mirrors more.
[05:25] <bogdanbiv> I don't really see why there is a difference between the Kubuntu and the Ubuntu countdowns.
[05:26] <bogdanbiv> I mean Kubuntu is "1 day to go" and Ubuntu is "0" or "Coming soon"!
[05:40] <TheKro> Please help.  My alt-tab has suddenly stopped working, since I started up this morning.  No updates or config changes.  Alt key and tab key both work fine on their own...
[05:43] <Sepling> TheKro: You hotkey bindings might have changed for some reason.  Have you tried System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts and then from "KDE Component" choose "kwin" and enter "walk through windows" in the search field?
[05:44] <Sepling> It should allow you to re-bind the alt-tab key combination to that action.
[05:44] <TheKro> sepling: when i tried that and clicked on "Global keyboard shortcuts" i get the following error:
[05:44] <TheKro> Failed to contact the KDE global shortcuts dæmon
[05:44] <TheKro> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner
[05:44] <TheKro> Message: Could not get owner of name 'org.kde.kded': no such name
[05:44] <FloodBotK2> TheKro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:45] <TheKro> (and then no components display in the drop-down list)
[05:46] <Sepling> That error message is a little beyond me, but look in System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager
[05:47] <TheKro> trying that I get "Unable to contact KDED" and all the options are greyed out
[05:47] <TheKro> also, all of the service's statuses are "Not running"
[05:47] <Sepling> TheKro: You could try launching 'kded' from a terminal and see if it spits anything useful at you
[05:48] <TheKro> it says "KDE Daemon (kded) is already running"!
[05:49] <daverag> I don't know what happened today but Pidgin, Amarok and Gmail-Plasmoid all stopped using the new KDE notification system, it reverted back to the ugly yellow thing on top of my taskbar
[05:49] <Sepling> TheKro:  Well that's good to know, at least.
[05:50] <Sepling> TheKro: I'm afraid the amount of help I can offer is at it's limit already, KDE4 is still new to me.
[05:51] <TheKro> thx sepling
[05:51] <Sepling> TheKro: But if you're going to try the old 'remove ~/.kde' trick that the topic advises against, at least _move_ it to a backup name, don't delete it.
[05:51] <TheKro> ok
[05:52] <TheKro> more likely I will try restarting first, or installing karmic
[05:52] <TheKro> but i was hoping it would simply be restarting something that crashed
[06:10] <nooob> ok i am lost
[06:10] <jussi01> !ask | nooob
[06:12] <nooob> sorry. i am new to this. have had ubuntu for about a week. i am not familiar with irc. just looking for a place to start to get more familiar.
[06:16] <nooob> anyone know when 9.10 final is going to be ready for dl?
[06:18] <nooob> i know this is dumb q but how do you join other rooms?
[06:25] <bogdanbiv> noob: For joining other IRC channels, try "/join #ChannelName", without quotes.
[06:26] <bogdanbiv> Oh, well, she/he left.
[06:29] <TheKro> nooob: /join <room name> - for example: /join #firefox
[06:41] <ubuntu> 'lo
[06:58] <ubuntu> hi
[07:41] <Balsaq> had a hp printer when i installed buntu and it worked from day one, now plugged in epson printer, got it too print a test page but it won't print an abi word document?
[07:44] <Balsaq> help printing in abi word?
[07:49] <dihae> 'morning everyone
[07:53] <dihae> I was wondering: I have an ATi radeon mobility X1600 in my laptop, and using the radeon driver (not radeonhd), which actually works very well. However, by using the display settings in systemsettings, I can only set up a dual head system in which they both show the same content (cloning). As soon as I connect a screen, the options for positionthe screen relative to the other disappear. Yet, I can set up dual head mode by using xrandr in the konsole
[07:54] <dihae> is this supposed to be? I read about it on the kde forums, and it is a known problem there.
[08:02] <jussi01> dihae: its a bug afaik. I have same issue.
[08:05] <roadbang> test
[08:05] <jabiko> funktioniert
[08:08] <roadbang> when will it released?
[08:09] <jussi01> !isitout | roadbang
[08:10] <T3RMiX> clear
[08:15] <roadbang> what time zone do canonical use? It has been 14 hours in oct 29 at south east asia
[08:15] <maco> theyre based in london
[08:15] <maco> its 8am there, so folks are probably sleeping still
[08:15] <roadbang> well, only 7 hours late
[08:16] <roadbang> ha..ha...
[08:16] <roadbang> is there any script to automatically deploy the Koala?
[08:17] <roadbang> or may be they want to upgrade Firefox first 3.5.4
[08:17] <maco> no
[08:17] <maco> the release team will release it...probably after they wake up...when theyve got it all ready
[08:19] <roadbang> at 12 pm, London time i gues
[08:20] <dihae> Does anyone here know if it's possible to remove certain items from the Task Manager?
[08:21] <dihae> sometimes I have duplicate entries of firefox, and it's anoying :)
[08:26] <roadbang> dihae: Kill Process?
[08:27] <dihae> roadbang: that's the problem: even if I kill the process, the entry stays there
[08:29] <roadbang> killall -9c firefox
[08:29] <dihae> Right now I have such an entry of dolphin. The process is killed (ps -e says no dolphin process), and an entry with dolphin's icon and no text whatsoever is still in the task manager
[08:30] <dihae> and killall -9c does not do anything in particular
[08:31] <roadbang> are you on 9.10 beta?
[08:31] <dihae> the only way I can get rid of the entry is by actually restarting plasma
[08:31] <dihae> jep
[08:32] <roadbang> be patient, the final release is almost there :-)
[08:32] <dihae> You think that will fix it?
[08:33] <dihae> I assumed there will not be many more updates between the RC and the final
[08:33] <roadbang> hope so, coz i have no such problem on this 9.10 rc
[08:34] <dihae> maybe I should do a clean install sometime then
[08:34] <roadbang> and try fresh install
[08:34] <roadbang> yup
[08:35] <roadbang> or make a new user
[08:36] <dihae> Though I actually did a fresh install when the beta came out
[08:36] <idyllic> dihae: same problem here. No use creating new user. Just remove and add back the task manager plasmoid
[08:36] <dihae> idyllic: I knew creating a new user does not help, I use different users for my home and work
[08:52] <amorphous_> should apache give me a list of files int he /var/www/ directory by default?
[09:04] <corden> nopt
[09:04] <corden> it will render the index.html - it works
[09:30] <dhq> when will karamic koala be released
[09:30] <dhq> tell me
[09:31] <Balsaq> help getting printer to print in abiword...it did do a test print?
[09:32] <eagles0513875> dhq: today sometime
[09:32] <eagles0513875> !release
[09:32] <eagles0513875> dhq: not what i was after but its due out today sometime
[09:33] <dmatt> Balsaq: try to print from other program to see if it is systemwide problem
[09:34] <Balsaq> well i had a hp printer on it when i installed it and it worked immediately...now i hook up my epson and it does a test print but wont print in word.(old printer?) may have to put the hp back
[09:35] <Balsaq> but yes will try it in other areas
[09:35] <dmatt> I mean try to print to epson from other program, e.g kate
[09:35] <Balsaq> yup got that
[09:35] <Balsaq> thanks
[09:35] <Balsaq> upstairs at the moment'
[09:36] <Balsaq> none of the drivers were my exact model
[09:36] <Balsaq> but the darn hp i never configured it at all
[09:37] <Balsaq> didnt know buntu could install a printer on its own?
[09:38] <dmatt> hp is very linux friendly with printers
[10:33] <amik> hey guys, I just got a BSOD, can someone help my diagnose what happened?
[10:36] <amik> comon, y'all got a few hours to burn before karmic goes live
[10:38] <devdan> they should put now a countdown with minutes to the release
[10:38] <devdan> I just can't wait for :P
[10:39] <amik> if that would encourage someone to help me, I'm all for it :-)
[10:39] <amik> I just got a BSOD, the first since I migrated to linux
[10:40] <devdan> what's your problem? bsod with what OS? version?
[10:40] <amik> maybe it's time to upgrade once again to win7?
[10:40] <amik> karmic-1 :-)
[10:40] <amik> aka jaunty, fully updated
[10:40] <amik> I updated the kernel from repos yesterday, dunno if it's related...
[10:41] <devdan> hm
[10:41] <devdan> probably
[10:41] <devdan> why don't you rollback the kernel updates?
[10:42] <amik> and half an hour ago, it just went dead. black screen of death. no display, not ping, nothing. I did a hard restart and that's where I'm now.
[10:42] <amik> because I'd like to know what the problem is, if it's really related to kernel, report it if necessary, etc.
[10:42] <amik> the only thing I could think of is looking at syslog:
[10:43] <amik> Oct 29 12:03:48 shefa kernel: [ 2677.080358] general protection fault: 0000 [#2] SMP
[10:43] <amik> Oct 29 12:03:48 shefa kernel: [ 2677.080362] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:06.0/usb4/4-2/bmAttributes
[10:43] <amik> and then, 20 minutes later (next line in log):
[10:43] <amik> Oct 29 12:24:36 shefa syslogd 1.5.0#5ubuntu3: restart.
[10:43] <amik> which I guess is when I hit the switch
[10:44] <devdan> why don't you try to boot with "nosmp" parameter in grub
[10:44] <amik> I thought GPFs and BSOD didn't exist in the world of the penguin
[10:44] <devdan> backup your s
[10:44] <devdan> *stuff
[10:44] <amik> what's smp?
[10:45] <amik> btw, u think I should make sure the fs is intact? how would I do that?
[10:45] <devdan> it shouldn't exist, something goes wrong in your kernel somehow, when you was updating
[10:45] <devdan> backup your stuff
[10:45] <devdan> burn your 9.10
[10:45] <devdan> reinstall everything
[10:46] <amik> I was hoping to migrate to 9.10 at my leasure, not be forced to do it asap :-(
[10:46] <amik> leisure, that is
[10:46] <devdan> lol
[10:47] <devdan> well dude, I never trusted in system upgrade via apt-get or any package manager, I think it's better backup your stuff and reinstall everything from scratch
[10:47] <amik> hehe: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leasure
[10:47] <amik> I'm not alone!
[10:47] <devdan> lol
[10:48] <devdan> "Common misspelling of leisure."
[10:48] <devdan> :P
[10:48] <amik> I agree, when it comes to a new release
[10:48] <amik> but there are some kernel updated within a release in the distros, and I never had problems with them
[10:49] <amik> but this is both a workstation and a server (web/mail/svn etc.) so I need to do the reinstall safely and in an organized fasion, or else I'll regret it...
[10:50] <amik> woops, what's happening to my finger-control? that should have been 'updates within a release in the repos'
[10:51] <amik> do u have any idea what SMP means?
[10:51] <devdan> yup
[10:52] <devdan> symmetric multiprocessing
[10:52] <amik> ...and that means...?
[10:52] <dmatt> support for more cpu cores
[10:53] <devdan> your kernel log shows that something related to SMP gaves general protection fault
[10:53] <devdan> yup
[10:53] <devdan> just disable that
[10:53] <devdan> and try to boot
[10:53] <FloodBotK2> devdan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:53] <devdan> edit your grub
[10:53] <amik> even just regular quad-code handling?
[10:53] <devdan> yup
[10:53] <amik> so disabling it doesn't sound too good...
[10:54] <devdan> it's just for testing
[10:54] <devdan> try to do that
[10:54] <amik> I'm not sure what I'd expect, since it's not a consistent bug (happened just once, and I'm on the same system now working fine for now)
[10:55] <amik> hmmmm
[10:55] <amik> I think I'll just wait it out and hope it doesn't happen again, until I'm ready for karmic
[10:55] <devdan> ow, I thought it was unusable
[10:56] <amik> if it does happen again, I'll try ur fix. just add 'nosmp' to the grub boot line thing?
[10:56] <amik> it was unusable (bsod) until I restarted
[10:57] <amik> but like the windows counterpart, it's not entirely reproducible, more of a sporadic thing
[11:00] <amik> well, thanks anyway devdan. I hope it won't happen again, on karmic either (maybe the same kernel...)
[11:01] <devdan> amik, even if it's the same kernel, don't worry, they always update kernel bugs
[11:01] <devdan> amik, no problem ;)
[11:07] <Shockrates> chi which is the fastest browser for linux? safari, firefox, opera, chromium, konq ?
[11:10] <amik> fastest to load? to read a page? to render? to run complex javascript? (I actually don't know the answer, but just a thought :-) )
[11:20] <gypsymauro> with what software are made the pictures in this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[11:22] <amik> looks to me like someone just drew them and scanned
[11:23] <gypsymauro> there is somethink like a grid..
[11:23] <amik> maybe it was drawn on gridded paper :-)
[11:23] <Mamarok> those are mockups made by some drawing software
[11:23] <gypsymauro> amik:  :DDD
[11:23] <Mamarok> s/by/with/
[11:24] <amik> ya, maybe a tablet or something
[11:24] <gypsymauro> in fact I was thinking about that
[11:24] <amik> in any case, it's not software, it's talent :-)
[11:25] <gypsymauro> there is a software for creating sketches like them?
[11:25] <gypsymauro> real talent :D
[11:25] <Mamarok> gypsymauro: you can take any drawing software for that, and of course, some drawing skills help :)
[11:26] <amik> any paint program (whatever comes with kubuntu, gimp, etc.)
[11:29] <gypsymauro> http://www.upnews.it/outframe/digital-car-sketch-tutorial
[11:34] <amik> anyone remember where to set the default browser? I think the kde 4.3.2 update reset it... and I just clicked that link above and got a non-functional would-be-flash-plugin in konqueror
[11:36] <linux> linux
[11:39] <lbt> Jaunty: when I press Alt-tab it just switches windows without using the 'Cover Switch' ... keyboard settings KWin Walk-through-windows is bound to alt-tab.  I have tried enabling disabling the related "Desktop Effects" but it doesn't activate
[11:43] <amik> what kde u using?
[11:43] <amik> I'm with 4.3.2, there's a drop-down for desktop switching effect on the main deskotp effects page, and it works for me...
[11:46] <remorseless> testing testing 123...
[11:47] <amik> remorseless: you're on the air
[11:48] <remorseless> seriously!? just one second...MAKEUP!
[11:48] <amik> CUT!
[11:48] <remorseless> We got a code 44! I repeat, a code 44!
[12:06] <Mamarok> Pici: btw, I have the topic ready and am monitoring the clock in r-p
[12:07] <Ev0luti0n_> Is it out yet?
[12:07] <Ev0luti0n_> god damn it i can barely wait
[12:07] <Mamarok> Ev0luti0n_: read the topic
[12:07] <Ev0luti0n_> rc out?
[12:08] <Ev0luti0n_> :|
[12:09] <Mamarok> Ev0luti0n_: patience :)
[12:09] <Shockrates> hi i have downloaded nvidia driver from the site. how do i install it
[12:09] <Shockrates> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg2.run
[12:10] <lbt> amik: called away,  sorry
[12:11] <lbt> Compositing seems to have stopped working too
[12:11] <lbt> wonder if it's related...
[12:12] <amik> Shockrates: what I do: logoff, drop to a console (ctrl-alt-f2) and enter credentials. Then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop". Then "sudo sh <thefile>".
[12:12] <amik> Shockrates: it would be a good idea to backup your xorg.conf file first, just in case
[12:13] <amik> Shockrates: and I don't remember if I first had to disable the distro's restricted driver from hardware settings or not (I've been working from nvidia versions for quite a while)
[12:13] <amik> lbt: sounds related...
[12:14] <amik> lbt: there's a hotkey for turning compositing on/off, I think shift-alt-F11 or something like that. but u can do it from system settings too.
[12:15] <amik> Shockrates: oh and when u run it, it has a console-gui thing - I think I just use all the defaults (but read what it says in case something looks like it should be changed). sorry I don't remember the details...
[12:15] <Shockrates> hi again
[12:15] <amik> D'oh!
[12:15] <Shockrates> amik: i have removed nvdia from the hardware drivers
[12:16] <amik> Shockrates: I was just writing u a bunch of stuff, didn't notice u left
[12:16] <Shockrates> amik: disconnection
[12:16] <amik> I think u missed just the last part:
[12:16] <amik> Shockrates: oh and when u run it, it has a console-gui thing - I think I just use all the defaults (but read what it says in case something looks like it should be changed). sorry I don't remember the details...
[12:17] <amik> finally, u should feel comfortable with the console in case u restart and have no gui (only console)
[12:17] <amik> u can do the same procedure but with 'sudo sh <thefile> --uninstall' if necessary
[12:17] <Shockrates> amik: i have 2 questions. i logout and then press alt+ctrl+f2? i did it and could exit the screen then
[12:18] <Shockrates> could not
[12:18] <amik> u can do ctrl-alt-f2 at any point - but u might as well logoff first, coz u'r gonna have to restart anyway
[12:18] <amik> btw, ctrl-alt-f7 will bring u back to the desktop if u need
[12:19] <Shockrates> after i finish my work. ctrl alt delete for restart is better
[12:19] <Shockrates> after the work is done
[12:19] <amik> nah, I use "sudo reboot"
[12:19] <amik> I like shutting things down in an orderly manner
[12:20] <Shockrates> sudo reboot
[12:20] <Shockrates> cool
[12:20] <Shockrates> so is it better to use the console directly after the boot, or switch after i logout
[12:20] <Shockrates> and is this necessary "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop". ?
[12:20] <amik> and best of all, if u have another computer around that u can chat here if u get stuck with no gui, that would be great :-)
[12:20] <Shockrates> btw is it sh ./NVidia... or sh Nvidia
[12:20] <Shockrates> ?
[12:21] <amik> it's 'sh <path to the run file>' - whatever that path may be...
[12:21] <Shockrates> ok
[12:21] <amik> as for kdm stop -
[12:21] <amik> I'm not entirely sure, but that's what I read somewhere, and it always worked, so I keep doing it :-)
[12:21] <amik> it makes sense, too
[12:22] <amik> stop the window manager before you're gonna trash the display drivers
[12:22] <Shockrates> cool
[12:22] <Shockrates> if it asks my to set up the x conf file automatically should i choose yes?
[12:22] <amik> as for console/boot, it doesn't matter I guess
[12:23] <amik> I'm just saying it's better not to have stuff open on ur desktop, or a desktop session open at all, when you're about to do this
[12:24] <amik> when u do alt-ctrl-f1 it switches to a console, but it doesn't kill the desktop (alt-ctrl-f7 switches back). u can always use this btw, if u want
[12:24] <Shockrates> alt ctrl f2 kills the desktop
[12:24] <Shockrates> then
[12:24] <Shockrates> ?
[12:24] <amik> no
[12:24] <amik> f1-f6 are different consoles, u can use any f7 is the desktop, and f8 I forget :-)
[12:25] <amik> f1 or f2 doesn't really matter,
[12:25] <amik> but I think u see bootup leftovers in the f1 console sometimes, so f2 looks nicer. but no difference.
[12:25] <Shockrates> ok. so if it asks my to configure the x file automatically i choose yes.
[12:25] <amik> u can switch between all of them as much as u like
[12:26] <amik> yep (but as I said, backup xorg.conf just in case)
[12:26] <Shockrates> how do i back it up? :D
[12:26] <amik> u know cp? that copies a file
[12:26] <Shockrates> yes i do
[12:26] <Shockrates> where is xorg.conf located
[12:27] <amik> somewhere in /etc (where all config files go), under X11
[12:27] <amik> yep, /etc/X11/xorg.conf (note the annoying capital X)
[12:28] <amik> just sudo cp it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.before_nvidia_drivers.bak
[12:28] <amik> if aything goes wrong after rebooting after u did everything,
[12:28] <Shockrates> so its
[12:28] <Shockrates> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.before_nvidia_drivers.bak
[12:28] <Shockrates> as a full command
[12:28] <amik> u can always repeat the operation (kde stop, then sh run with --uninstall at the end), and copy the backup file back, and reboot, and u should be back where u started
[12:29] <amik> yep, that looks right. u can do that now
[12:29] <amik> (sudo is just since the /etc area is system configuration so requires root priviledges to write to)
[12:29] <Shockrates> i know this
[12:29] <Shockrates> :D
[12:30] <amik> ok, but I'm on a roll!
[12:30] <Shockrates> cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[12:31] <amik> strange...
[12:31] <amik> ls /etc/X11 ?
[12:31] <Shockrates> i have unistalled nvidia already
[12:31] <Shockrates> app-defaults             fonts    xinit       Xsession          XvMCConfig
[12:31] <Shockrates> cursors                  rgb.txt  xkb         Xsession.d        Xwrapper.config
[12:31] <Shockrates> default-display-manager  X        Xresources  Xsession.options
[12:32] <Shockrates> it isnt there
[12:32] <Shockrates> cause i have removed the  driver maybe
[12:32] <amik> hmmm... dunno
[12:32] <amik> but if it works this way, I suppose u can delete it if it gets recreated and breaks something... not sure
[12:33] <Shockrates> if i boot with the console
[12:33] <Shockrates> do i still need to disable the kde window manager?
[12:34] <amik> what do u mean by boot with the console?
[12:35] <Shockrates> i mean when i start the pc, choose to bring up a console
[12:35] <amik> when the system starts up it starts up the x/desktop/gui/window manager, whether or not u log in yet or not
[12:35] <Shockrates> not the os
[12:35] <Shockrates> yes i mean
[12:35] <amik> u can always do it, nothing to lose
[12:35] <Shockrates> from grub
[12:35] <Shockrates> choose a console only
[12:35] <amik> if it's not started, it'll give u some related error message when u try to stop it
[12:36] <Shockrates> anyway  thanks for  your help
[12:36] <Shockrates> it was very good and informative
[12:36] <amik> I hope it works :-)
[12:36] <amik> I'm no expert, it's just something I happened to have done several times recently :-)
[12:37] <Shockrates> lol
[12:38] <Shockrates> ok gonna try it and i will come back
[12:38] <amik> btw, I haven't tried the 190 drivers specifically yet (they're just out a couple of days)
[12:38] <amik> I'm with the latest 185's though
[12:38] <amik> see u on the other side :-)
[12:45] <hund> hi guys
[12:45] <amik> hi
[12:47] <gigasoft> is new edition available ? /not RC ?
[12:48] <gigasoft> and where i can download it?
[12:48] <Shockrates> amik:
[12:48] <amik> it will be released later today
[12:48] <Shockrates> kdm cant stop
[12:48] <gigasoft> :)
[12:48] <amik> can't stop?
[12:48] <Shockrates> i did . sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:49] <Shockrates> and it said to try service kdm stop
[12:49] <Shockrates> and something like that
[12:49] <Shockrates> instead of invoking scipts init
[12:49] <amik> u r on kubuntu, right?
[12:49] <Shockrates> yes
[12:49] <amik> :-)
[12:49] <Shockrates> kubuntu 9.10 x64
[12:49] <amik> ah...
[12:50] <amik> maybe they changed something in 9.10. I see u couldn't wait :-)
[12:50] <Shockrates> yes
[12:50] <Shockrates> i friend told me its the same thing
[12:50] <amik> int that case, do whatever it asks u to do to stop it
[12:50] <Shockrates> to use the rc and update
[12:50] <Shockrates> and to download the stable
[12:50] <amik> unless, of course, the rc has issues which mess up things :-)
[12:50] <Shockrates> it hasnt
[12:51] <Shockrates> but bugs wil be fixed
[12:51] <Shockrates> its pretty much stable
[12:51] <amik> sure, but sometimes the installation process itself might mis-detect something, create faulty auto-generated scripts, whatever. an update won't fix existing ones
[12:51] <ubuntu_> Hey
[12:51] <amik> but, if everything goes right - then there's indeed no difference.
[12:52] <amik> anyway, try stopping kdm with whatever it suggests
[12:52] <Shockrates> i think they have fixed the installation in rc
[12:52] <smego> hello
[12:52] <smego> 1
[12:52] <smego> !
[12:52] <gigasoft> when i download new wallpapers from plasma workspace where does it store it?
[12:52] <Shockrates> 4 days before the release you cant have problems in the installation
[12:52] <Shockrates> ;D
[12:52] <hyper_ch> anyone uses bittorrent to download the kubuntu i386 alternate image?
[12:52] <smego> i need some help can any one?
[12:53] <smego> ats about my drivers
[12:53] <amik> Shockrates: or so everyone hopes ;-)
[12:53] <hyper_ch> if so, please give me to IP for adding as peer :)
[12:53] <Shockrates> amik: if there was a problem would it tell me?
[12:53] <smego> help 1
[12:53] <smego> !
[12:53] <amik> Shockrates: a problem with kdm?
[12:53] <Shockrates> no a problem with the installation
[12:54] <amik> Shockrates: maybe yes, maybe no...
[12:54] <Shockrates> after the installation and the updates
[12:54] <Shockrates> wouldnt i know?
[12:54] <kavurt> smego: ask your question, if someone knows the solution, will help you
[12:54] <gigasoft>  when i download new wallpapers from plasma workspace where does it store it? any help
[12:54] <amik> Shockrates: but don't let me scare u - it's probably ok
[12:54] <smego> i did
[12:55] <amik> gigasoft: I don't know, but maybe somewhere under ~/.kde, where all the kde stuff is usually stored
[12:55] <smego> my screen resulution is not flixable than 800*600
[12:55] <smego> any one got me ?
[12:55] <gigasoft> amik: thank' s :)
[12:56] <amik> Shockrates: besides, what sound does an error make if there's no one there to notice it?
[12:57] <Shockrates> right
[12:57] <Shockrates> sudo killall -9 kdm
[12:57] <Shockrates> i can stop kdm that way
[12:57] <amik> Shockrates: u can, if you're in a violent mood
[12:58] <kavurt> smego: what's your graphic controller
[12:58] <Shockrates> sudo stop kdm; sudo start kdm
[12:58] <Shockrates> there are easier ways too i see
[12:58] <smego> intel on board
[12:58] <Shockrates> without init
[12:59] <smego> 945 gigabute board
[12:59] <amik> Shockrates: whatever works...
[12:59] <smego> gegabyte*
[12:59] <amik> Shockrates: (I'm simply not familiar with any of the other new/old stuff)
[13:00] <Shockrates> ok
[13:00] <Shockrates> i think killall is better than stop
[13:00] <Shockrates> gonna try that first
[13:01] <amik> Shockrates: try the other way around
[13:01] <Shockrates> may it cause a problem?
[13:01] <amik> Shockrates: stop sounds orderly. killall just rips the process away.
[13:01] <Shockrates> will it create a problem?
[13:02] <amik> Shockrates: no, no problem, and the whole kdm thing is no biggie. it's just always preferable to shut things down gracefully if possible. if that doesn't work, just kill it.
[13:02] <Shockrates> lol
[13:02] <Shockrates> :D
[13:02] <Shockrates> like in real life
[13:02] <amik> Shockrates: true, true...
[13:09] <Shockrates_> hi amik
[13:09] <Shockrates_> amik: i did it stoped the kdm
[13:09] <amik> Shockrates_: how u been?
[13:10] <Shockrates_> amik: nvidia asked me in the end if i want to let a configuration utility configure my file
[13:10] <Shockrates_> ro something like that automatically i choose yes
[13:10] <Shockrates_> it appears its ok
[13:11] <amik> and then it completed? and then u rebooted? and now you're here and everything is ok?
[13:11] <Shockrates_> yes
[13:11] <amik> congradulations!
[13:11] <amik> now u can run nvidia-settings (in the apps menu or from console) and configure whatever u like, or see you nice new 190 version number...
[13:12] <Shockrates_> yes
[13:12] <Shockrates_> actually i needed 190 cause it has an hdmi overscan option
[13:12] <amik> maybe they even made their logo shinier!
[13:12] <Shockrates_> which 185 lacked
[13:12] <Shockrates_> :D
[13:12] <amik> what does overscan do?
[13:12] <Shockrates_> when i connect my pc with my tv using hdmi
[13:13] <Shockrates_> i cant see the whole desktop
[13:13] <Shockrates_> only a part
[13:13] <Shockrates_> this option fixes it
[13:13] <amik> actually I have a problem with the tv via hdmi... tearing lines. couldn't solve it. maybe they fixed something...
[13:13] <Shockrates_> yes try that
[13:13] <Shockrates_> there a overscan slider
[13:13] <Shockrates_> to adjust the image to the tv
[13:13] <amik> I use TwinView and it works ok regarding desktop+tv, no issues at all
[13:13] <Shockrates_> position
[13:14] <Shockrates_> twinview
[13:14] <Shockrates_> whats that
[13:14] <amik> it's in nvidia-settings, it's their mechanism for dual-display
[13:15] <Shockrates_> in the site it says
[13:15] <Shockrates_> regarding what i told you
[13:15] <Shockrates_> One of the last installation steps will offer to update your X configuration file. Either accept that offer, edit your X configuration file manually so that the NVIDIA X driver will be used, or run nvidia-xconfig
[13:15] <amik> (I shortly tried xinerama or whatever other option there was, but twinview did what I needed so I left it at that)
[13:16] <Shockrates_> can you understand what is this about
[13:16] <amik> they make the dual-display thing easily configurable like in windows with the nvidia-settings gui, which is nice
[13:16] <Shockrates_> One of the last installation steps will offer to update your X configuration file. Either accept that offer, edit your X configuration file manually so that the NVIDIA X driver will be used, or run nvidia-xconfig
[13:17] <amik> Shockrates_: I think u don't need to worry about it. u didn't have an xorg.conf, it generated one for u, and everything works. no problem there.
[13:17] <Shockrates_> ok
[13:17] <Shockrates_> btw the windows nvidia gui
[13:17] <Shockrates_> is better
[13:17] <Shockrates_> and with more options
[13:17] <Shockrates_> i have to say
[13:17] <FloodBotK2> Shockrates_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <amik> of course, but relative to manually twiddling with xorg.conf commands... the nvidia tool is beutiful!
[13:18] <Shockrates_> yes
[13:18] <Shockrates_> :D
[13:18] <Shockrates_> i am bored of windows
[13:18] <Shockrates_> even though 7 was good
[13:20] <Shockrates_> it has a nice deck
[13:20] <amik> I migrated about a year ago from xp. the transition was not easy, had probably 10-20 little issues each requiring investigation and experiments and lots of time. but now things are mostly in place, and I'm all for the free ideology (I'm a FOSS developer), so I'm glad about it.
[13:20] <Shockrates_> btw i use kubuntu on my acer laptop. and the subwoofer doesnt work
[13:21] <Shockrates_> any idas?
[13:21] <Shockrates_> ideas
[13:21] <amik> plus it's good to gain experience on a new platform. both interesting and good to aqcuire.
[13:21] <amik> no clue
[13:22] <amik> I also have a netbook, and I'm waiting for... today... to try the netbook edition, dual-boot with xp, see which is better
[13:25] <kaddy> kubuntu sucks
[13:25] <Shockrates_> netbook remix is good
[13:25] <Shockrates_> i hear
[13:26] <amik> I hear so too, although not too easy on the battery (compared to win)
[13:26] <amik> or so I read in some performance comparisons
[13:26] <Shockrates_> i will try to install alsamixer
[13:26] <Shockrates_> in kubuntu
[13:27] <zippy27> From personal experience, [k]ubuntu is better on the battery than Vista, and about the same as XP
[13:27] <Shockrates_> if i install alsamixer
[13:27] <Shockrates_> will there be any problems?
[13:27] <Shockrates_> here
[13:27] <dmatt> kaddy: go flame somewhere else
[13:27] <amik> I wouldn't even think of vista...
[13:28] <amik> but winxp == win7 > ubuntu is what I read
[13:28] <amik> and not insignificantly
[13:28] <zippy27> Unfortunately some of the apps I still use from time to time won't run under VirtualBox, which is why I'm running XP right now...
[13:29] <zippy27> Flash definitely works much better in [k]ubuntu then in Win32
[13:29] <zippy27> Performance of Win7 RC 64-bit on this machine was about comparable with [k]ubuntu, once I'd upped the memory from 1 to 4GB.  At 1, Win64 was a bit too keen on swapping for my liking
[13:29] <amik> and I've got a GMA500 one, which I really hope will do video decoding (but ready for disappointment)
[13:30] <amik> zippy27: would that be on a desktop?
[13:30] <amik> Shockrates_: I really know nothing about the sound systems... maybe someone else can help u with that
 Shockrates_: if your laptop actually has a sub-woofer, you would be very foolish indeed to enable it. the vibrations will almost certainly damage the hard disk
[13:31] <Shockrates_> is this correct?
[13:31] <zippy27> amik: Acer Aspite 5101AWLMi laptop
[13:31] <amik> zippy27: and u'r talking about battery performance, yes? that's good news
[13:32] <amik> Shockrates_: I wouldn't know... if it's SSD, I'm pretty sure not. If it's a disk, then I'd still guess not, but don't know
[13:32] <zippy27> Yes.  I spent about 3 hours in a hotel on battery before I remembered I hadn't plugged it in and didn't even notice.  On Windows I'd expact the battery to last 2.5 hours under Vista, and 3 under XP (special Acer battery management software that they discontinued when Vista came out)
[13:33] <zippy27> And I was gaming, so I was stressing the CPU quite a bit
[13:33] <amik> zippy27: cool. I'm gonna try it out in any case :-)
[13:34] <amik> just not sure which would be better, netbook edition or regular desktop. I'll try to make both available until I decide, if I can figure out how to do that.
[13:34] <zippy27> Unfortunately my microphone still doesn't work, but the webcam now works, which is nice.  Maybe in 6 months I'll be able to use Skype properly without rebooting :-)
[13:35] <zippy27> amik: I just went for full desktop and gave it 8GB of space (upped that to 24 now)
[13:35] <amik> man, I can't wait for the day (year?) when linux really just works. It has certainly come a long way, and is very close, but there's still all those little things that just disappoint.
[13:36] <zippy27> To be honest the webcam is an extra, I really want the mic working because I have a lot of old tapes and albums I want to covert to MP3
[13:36] <amik> zippy27: wubi or dual-boot? I wanted to wubi in 9.04 but it was broken at the installer level. hope they fixed it... we shall soon find out!
[13:37] <amik> zippy27: I'm not sure tape conversion would be best done on a laptop mic :-)
[13:37] <zippy27> amik: dual boot, grub 1.97 beta 4 at the moment.  There's also a silly diagnostics partition that the computer won't boot without, even if there's nothing on it, so I have to keep that there and it gets shows as "Windows NT/2000"
[13:38] <amik> zippy27: yes, my acer also has a 'recovery partition'. I'll leave it there for the time being, no biggie
[13:38] <zippy27> amik: Ha, it's the whole soundsystem really, mic/line in...   guess I was kind of simplifying.  I mean, I can use my fiancee's PC for that but she tends to be using it...
[13:39] <alfiere> italy chat?
[13:39] <amik> zippy27: I'd just guess a laptop sound system has more interference than a desktop. just intuitively. though a dedicated sound card would be best, or at least a high-end chipset
[13:40] <alfiere> ok people
[13:40] <zippy27> I'd actually like to cobble together one of the old PCs from the garage because I've got a frighteningly expensive ISA soundcard somewhere, quality is amazing...  I think OS/2 might be the way to go for that PC  ;-)
[13:40] <alfiere> i should format my hard disk
[13:41] <zippy27> alfiere: only if there's nothing else on there you want to keep
[13:41] <alfiere> and i don' know how to do it
[13:41] <zippy27> The installer will do it for you if you're sure that's what you really want to do
[13:42] <alfiere> i have xp
[13:42] <alfiere> after installed ubunto
[13:42] <alfiere> after xp crash
[13:42] <alfiere> nothing boot
[13:43] <alfiere> and i can't format with cd
[13:43] <zippy27> Can you boot from the installer CD?
[13:43] <alfiere> my boot is gone
[13:43] <alfiere> no
[13:43] <mkargar__> hello
[13:44] <zippy27> alfiere: Try going into the BIOS setup (usually DEL or F2 when you see the manfuacturer logo) and look for the setting to enable it (will vary where it is and what it's called, depending on the maker)
[13:44] <mkargar__> how to install Dell Moni USB Modem(Dialup!) in kubuntu 9.04?(base on Lucant chip!)
[13:44] <amik> it's funny, how they update the main page with 'Welcome to Kubuntu 9.10", before they update the download links...
[13:45] <mkargar__> *mini
[13:45] <alfiere> yea but i did it
[13:45] <busbaby> i still see the countdown pic
[13:45] <busbaby> on kubuntu.org
[13:45] <amik> but look under it...
[13:45] <busbaby> oh ya, there it is ..
[13:46] <alfiere> i have cd how first device
[13:46] <alfiere> secon hd
[13:46] <alfiere> third floppy
[13:46] <amik> I guess someone swapped their checklist items around :-)
[13:46] <zippy27> OK, save that it should now try and boot from the CD
[13:46] <busbaby> :)
[13:46] <Shockrates_> amik: cya and thanks again ;)
[13:46] <busbaby> anyone know when it will be available for dl?
[13:46] <alfiere> i have tried it
[13:47] <zippy27> I better go and walk these dogs, they're getting restless...
[13:47] <alfiere> .........
[13:47] <amik> I'm guessing they're in the out-of-order update process
[13:47] <busbaby> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=walking+the+dog
[13:48] <alfiere> i want try to format all hd from linux
[13:48] <busbaby> now we know what zippy is up to ;)
[13:48] <alfiere> can i?
[13:49] <zippy27> Hahaha, no, I'm getting stared at by two 6-stone otterhounds who are desperate to go and chase some small animals down by the river
[13:49] <amik> so many interpretations... so little time...
[13:50] <zippy27>  back later, just had to evict a hound from my lap...
[13:50] <amik> dude, keep the details offline :-)
[13:50] <busbaby> lol
[13:51] <alfiere> mmmmmmmmmm
[13:51] <alfiere> ok i'm noob of ubunto
[13:51] <busbaby> what r u trying to do?
[13:51] <alfiere> but i should recovery my hd
[13:52] <amik> phase II: change the countdown banner to a nice shield logo thing
[13:52] <alfiere> format my hard disk
[13:52] <alfiere> i can't use a cd
[13:53] <amik> (making sure it isn't aligned well vertically, and obscures the actual kubuntu logo)
[13:53] <busbaby> so you're running ubuntu ... you installed a new hd, and you want to partition/format it?
[13:53] <amik> alfiere: start from the beginning. u have a computer, with 1 hard disk, on which there is nothing of importance, and u want to erase it completely and install kubuntu?
[13:54] <alfiere> i had xp
[13:54] <busbaby> which os r u running now?
[13:54] <alfiere> after i a have installed ubunto
[13:54] <alfiere> xp is dead
[13:54] <alokito> is kubuntu 9.10 released already? :o
[13:55] <alfiere> and i have only ubunto now
[13:55] <amik> alfiere: do u still need xp, or any of the files u had there? or do u want to erase it all and start over?
[13:55] <alfiere> yea
[13:55] <alfiere> i want erase all
[13:55] <busbaby> alokito: we're still waiting on the links to update
[13:56] <amik> alfiere: and u want only a new kubuntu there, nothing else?
[13:56] <alfiere> so i reinstall xp
[13:56] <alokito> busbaby, ok :)
[13:56] <alfiere> but i can't use a cd
[13:56] <amik> alfiere: do u want to reinstall kubuntu or xp? or both?
[13:56] <alfiere> perhaps floppy
[13:56] <alfiere> only xp
[13:56] <alokito> the new banner in kubuntu.org looks nice :D
[13:56] <alfiere> for now
[13:57] <busbaby> alfiere: i still dont understand something ... did you install ubuntu on the disk with xp? or do you have two disk, one with ubuntu (now) and the other with xp?
[13:57] <alfiere> the first
[13:57] <alfiere> ihave one hard disk
[13:57] <amik> alfiere: so u want to install only xp (not kubuntu) - do u have the xp installation cd?
[13:57] <alfiere> with 2 OS
[13:58] <Luggage> hello all
[13:58] <alfiere> yea i have but the  don't function
[13:58] <BluesKaj> !USB
[13:59] <amik> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download - karmic torrent links are up and running. Have fun!
[13:59] <busbaby> alfiere: sorry man ... i dont know how to install winxp without cd
[13:59] <Luggage> if you have a working windows you can use unetbootin to install from a iso without burning it first
[14:00] <Luggage> sorry first line I saw coming in was Ihave one hard disk, so if what i say is pointless/makes no sense sorry :)
[14:00] <amik> from what I understood, alfiere wants to scrap the failed dual-boot attempt, and just install windows xp alone like he had before
[14:01] <Luggage> but there's a hitch right?
[14:01] <busbaby> amik: have you dl'd the iso via torrent before? did you get good speed?
[14:01] <alfiere> yea it's right
[14:01] <BluesKaj> alfiere, then why are you here , go ask in #windows :P
[14:01] <amik> busbaby: always and always
[14:01] <busbaby> cool
[14:02] <Anon4520> is Koala stable out?
[14:02] <Luggage> well still willing to help if i can despite being in kubuntu chan
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Anon4520, no
[14:02] <Luggage> www.kubuntu.org
[14:02] <alokito> is this the final 9.10 dl link: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/karmic/desktop/kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent ?
[14:02] <alokito> i got it from kubuntu.org!
[14:03] <Luggage> thats the rc not the final probably
[14:03] <alfiere> with gparted can i format?
[14:03] <Luggage> since the main site is still counting down the release
[14:03] <alokito> Luggage, shouldn't the iso name contain the word RC, then?
[14:03] <amik> alokito: I'm dling from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/karmic/desktop/kubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent (adjust to i386 as necessary)
[14:04] <Luggage> well should.... many things should be different then they are ;)
[14:04] <alokito> amik, it might be rc
[14:04] <amik> alokito: ummm... that is to say, ur link looks right
[14:04] <Anon4520> here's a question guys.. why would I choose KDE over GNOME? thinkin about installing Kubuntu now
[14:04] <Luggage> if its out then why isn the main site happily announcing it and linking to it etc :)
[14:04] <amik> alokito: then why would they just change the torrent links in the main d/l page to point to it?
[14:04] <alokito> amik, donno ask the site maintainers!
[14:05] <Anon4520> any answers?
[14:05] <Luggage> you ask them youŕe the one wondering :)
[14:06] <Luggage> nothing but personal preference anon
[14:06] <busbaby> if this is rc then wouldnt rc be in the name?
[14:06] <amik> Anon4520: it's a matter of preference - they are two competing desktops, each one with its set of complimentary apps
[14:06] <BluesKaj> busbaby, it isn't
[14:06] <Luggage> if you are a recent windows to linux convert i say perhaps kde will give you a more familiar experience, it has slightly more worked out into visual dialogs and windows etc.
[14:06] <busbaby> it isnt the rc? or rc isnt in the name?
[14:07] <alokito> ok now kubuntu.org banner is saying its released :o
[14:07] <BluesKaj> isn't the rc
[14:07] <busbaby> cool
[14:07] <amik> Anon4520: I chose KDE without really trying GNOME to much, and I'm enjoying it
[14:07] <BluesKaj> this is juanty , rc is karmic
[14:07] <amik> Anon4520: it's sometimes labeled as more configurable/cutting edge, whereas gnome more simple to use
[14:08] <busbaby> huh? im asking if those links above are karmic 9.10 final (ie: non-rc)
[14:08] <amik> Anon4520: that said, u can try both, even side by side. see which u like.
[14:08] <Luggage> I just checked
[14:08] <BluesKaj> busbaby, it will be karmic after the Offficial release which is rumoured to be out in 2 hrs
[14:08] <Luggage> the release candidate doesn have rc in the file name
[14:09] <Anon4520> does kopete still have that bug of not being able to send files over the yahoo protocol? at the time I chose GNOME over KDE it had.
[14:09] <Luggage> so its probably the release candidate and not final.
[14:09] <busbaby> hmmm ... maybe ill wait a bit longer then
[14:09] <amik> Anon4520: no idea - I use pidgin
[14:10] <Luggage> release should have been yesterday i believe, yesterday it sai soon, now it says 1 day left again, guess they ran into last minute hiccups perhaps.
[14:10] <amik> (it's nice using the same app on both lin and win)
[14:11] <Anon4520> I guess I'll give KDE a try then when 9.10 comes out.. better start backing up my home partition
[14:11] <BluesKaj> busbaby, the karmic repos are all closed as we speak , must be receiving the final changes and isos
[14:11] <busbaby> ok, thx
[14:12] <dulce> hola
[14:12] <dulce> como hago para ir a otro canal
[14:12] <amik> btw the dvd links are under 'release', the cds under 'simple' (dunno what that is). and all have been pointing to jaunty until 15 mins ago
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !es | dulce
[14:13] <amik> dulce: "/join otro-canal"
[14:14] <BluesKaj> dulce, /join #kubuntu-es
[14:14] <Luggage> is there any 'easy' way to check if everything is alright with e.g. graphics card and drivers for it
[14:15] <Luggage> i got a gtx 260 so something small like teeworlds shouldn really play sluggish (nvidia 180 driver)
[14:15] <varanus_> guys i'm running karmic with kde and after i have configured all the desktops with 4 different activities and the kwin effects, after restarting, it changes randomly the sequence of the activities, sometimes don't some the position of the widgets or add more activities by itself. anyone have the same problem?
[14:15] <amik> Luggage: there's a new 190 driver out, should u want to experiment...
[14:16] <Luggage> still... but will try if nothing helps
[14:16] <lup0> where can I download 9.10. The release note is up, but in the download section only 9.04 and 8.10 are displayed http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[14:16] <Luggage> its a card that leisurely walks through crysis on xp so a 2d shooter like teeworlds should be able to be playable with 180
[14:16] <busbaby> varanus_: im not on karmic yet
[14:17] <busbaby> lup0: we're all wondering the same thing
[14:17] <Luggage> and before this install I botched kubuntu trying to figure out how to get nvidia drivers running lol so im a bit afraid of updating river to 190
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Luggage, your driver should be the 185
[14:17] <Luggage> driver
[14:17] <varanus_> busbaby: iva asked in case someone had already the beta. ty anyway
[14:18] <Anon4520> is the GRUB 2, Ubuntu One and Upstart available in Kubuntu too?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Luggage, it's listed as supported in synaptic
[14:18] <amik> Luggage: I did it several times, it's quite simple. just helped a dude through it (with 190) a couple hours ago here, no issues.
[14:18] <busbaby> i was just letting you know my status in case you thought your question was ignored
[14:18] <dhq> kubuntu.org is so slow can someone give me the torrent link
[14:19] <Luggage> followed a guide to get it running on this second try at linux :)
[14:20] <Luggage> hmm last time before i botched up trying to do it using konsole I tried synaptic first and it failed because x server was running ?
[14:21] <amik> Luggage: it involves just two commands, run from the console (not konsole) - the first kills kdm, the second runs the installer. then reboot. it always worked for me.
[14:21] <Luggage> (hence me trying it using altctrl? f1 and stopping kdm
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Luggage, the best way is to : drop to a TTY ,  stop X  with "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" ,sudo aptitude remove nvidia-glx-180, then , sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-185 , start X with "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[14:21] <amik> Luggage: exactly
[14:21] <Luggage> I know
[14:22] <amik> or, for nvidia drivers, replace apt-install with sudo sh NVIDiafilething.run
[14:22] <Riddell> Anon4520: grub 2 and upstart are, ubuntu one mostly only has gnome frontends currently
[14:22] <Luggage> im just weary of doing it, if something goes wrong I will use the pc as a paperweight for say 3 months, after what Ive been through past 2 weeks (not related to kubuntu) im feeling a bit pc-tired :) but thanks I will update them when I summon the will to do so
[14:22] <amik> btw the dude today said that in karmic he couldn't start kdm that way, he got an error to use some different stop mechanism rather than init scripts directly. must be something new.
[14:23] <Anon4520> Riddell, any plans for a kde version of one?
[14:23] <dhq> how do i know if my pc will support 64bit
[14:23] <Luggage> do you have a 64 bit (recent) cpu
[14:23] <amik> Luggage: first time I did it something went wrong too, but it was completely reversible
[14:24] <Luggage> then it supports 64 bit, unsure google your cpu and find out if itś 64 bit
[14:24] <tangent3> is karmic released?
[14:24] <Luggage> think my situation with my botch up might have been too but not for a (now) 3 day experienced linux user :)
[14:25] <Riddell> Anon4520: not currently, but the file storage is just webdav so that should work fine
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Luggage, how hard is it to: ctrl+alt+f1 , login as user
[14:25] <Luggage> its not
[14:25] <Luggage> i did it before
[14:25] <Luggage> obviously
[14:25] <Luggage> or else i wouldn have 180 running
[14:25] <Benedicht> i am may just stupid
[14:25] <amik> BluesKaj: hey don't scare a 3-day old liux user away :-)
[14:26] <Luggage> I knew the commands, i just dont feel up to doing it now and perhaps having to troubleshoot again
[14:26] <Benedicht> but if i want to download kubuntu 9.10 on kubuntu.org there is just 9.04
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Luggage, amik , nm ...it's the old horse to water story
[14:26] <Riddell> Benedicht: keep holding your breath
[14:27] <Luggage> [15:22:50] <Luggage> im just weary of doing it, [...] but thanks I will update them when I summon the will to do so
[14:27] <Benedicht> Riddell, thank you, i will
[14:27] <Luggage> i think you all don understand me-story is more like to the point
[14:28] <Luggage> I knew how to close/start kdm, go to console install nvidia drivers before you typing the commands up again (obviously, since I already had 180 installed succesfully) :)
[14:28] <tangent3> so i ran "update-notifier-kde -u" and it tells me "No new upgrade available"
[14:28] <Luggage> and I had to say twice I dont >feel< like trying to update at this instant :)
[14:28] <amik> Luggage: if it ain't broke, don't fix it (until u feel comfortable messing with configurations and such. when u do, then by all means, fix anything) :-)
[14:28] <Luggage> i rather take it easy and not fix you know :)
[14:29] <Luggage> for the moment anyway, just recovered from a rootkit in xp that almost lost me all my 3d work
[14:29] <busbaby> i forgot what you're even asking about all ready ....
[14:29] <amik> Luggage: does that have anything to do with u trying out linux again?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> all the typing your doiung to avoid the fis , could have gone into removing the old driver and installing the new one .
[14:29] <Luggage> now that kubuntu is running well enough to down some, watch a tv show, chat and learn more about it I want to savour a little down time, not tweaking/fixing etc :)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> fis=fix
[14:30] <Luggage> was hoping the teeworld thin might have been an easy setting thats all
[14:30] <Luggage> blueskaj
[14:30] <Luggage> i dont >want< to do it today.
[14:30] <Luggage> is that hard to understand?
[14:31] <amik> BluesKaj: I understand Luggage very well. when I first migrated from win, there were *tents* of little such things to tweak, change, fix, ask, google... it's daunting to the point where I'd just leave things alone until they become a must
[14:31] <amik> hmmm.
[14:31] <Luggage> im just tired if it goes wrong im stuck fixing the rest of the day and not relaxing
[14:31] <amik> not *tents*, but *tens*
[14:31] <Luggage> im not in the mood to spend the day fixing IF something goes wrong
[14:32] <Luggage> today im relaxing :)
[14:32] <Anon4520> it's OUT !
[14:32] <amik> though maybe there was a tent to setup there too... it was definitely daunting
[14:32] <busbaby> relaxing and playing teeworld
[14:32] <busbaby> right?
[14:32] <busbaby> ;)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> well, i don't come here to relax
[14:32] <Mamarok> there you go :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:32] <Joelito> nice :D
[14:33] <Luggage> well i am just hanging out maybe helping out with some newby-ish questions
[14:33] <Luggage> like how to install stuff or such.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> so this is it , we're officially karmic support now
[14:34] <Joelito> what version of kde ships in kubuntu 9.10?
[14:34] <Mamarok> it's KDE 4.3.2
[14:34] <amik> ummm. how about a torrent link for the netbook iso?
[14:34]  * Luggage reminds himself he promised himself to relax today, do not update to karmic today.... dont....
[14:34] <Joelito> thanks Mamarok!
[14:34] <Anon4520> are the torrents updated?
[14:35]  * BluesKaj checks the repos
[14:35] <buckethead> Haha. I've been running karmic for about a week. Aside from a mouse that decided to become DOA (fixed in the final) I haven't had any problems.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> nope , nothing yet
[14:35] <Luggage> @busbaby sorry missed that, yes a little teeworlds, tv show or movie
[14:35] <Riddell> amik: good idea
[14:35] <Luggage> maybe lazily do something around the place (just moved in, unpack a box or 2)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Luggage, @ doesn't work on irc
[14:36] <Luggage> how do you mean
[14:36] <Luggage> i didn intend for it do more then show the at symbol?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> just use the nick , it'll highlight
[14:36] <Bou> Kubuntu.org looks like a canoe/kayak fan page ^^
[14:37] <Luggage> ow you mean quassels highlight feature
[14:37] <Luggage> hadn looked into it
[14:37] <amik> btw, what's the package name for the netbook gui? I'd like to try it alongside the regular desktop to see which feels better (and I've heard others wanting the same...)
[14:38] <buckethead> amik: plasma-netbook
[14:38] <buckethead> I'm running it, its pretty nice for the new toy on the block.
[14:39] <Luggage> is the netbook gui easier on the hardware? (old pc at moms place that could do with a linuxification :)
[14:39] <amik> buckethead: a desktop install with plasma-netbook and a netbook install with kde-desktop (or whatever it's called) result in the same thing? is ther any other difference? do they appear side by side in the login menu for u to choose?
[14:40] <Riddell> Bou: hopefully the kiubuntu logo on the helmet is obvious enough :)
[14:40] <amik> Luggage: for a desktop u might as well use xubuntu, which is lighter on resources
[14:40] <nikos__> hola
[14:40] <buckethead> amik: Yes, the installs will end up the same. I'm not sure how switching between them will work in the release.
[14:40] <Luggage> okay checking it out amik
[14:41] <amik> buckethead: thanks. 30% to go, and I'll try it out :-)
[14:42] <Anon4520> give me a mirror to download please, the one in my country still has a version from yesterday
[14:42] <amik> Anon4520: use the torrents. they're from everywhere!
[14:42] <Luggage> :)
[14:43] <Anon4520> the speed in the torrent I got is like 50KB/s instead of the normal 600, I would get it in ~3h so I'm up for finding a mirror to download the iso
[14:44] <Bou> Riddell: not that obvious, but i remarked it yes. Anyway, it's fun :)
[14:44] <amik> my d/l speed is good. plus, with all them leechers coming through, it's gonna rise pretty quickly
[14:44] <Luggage> i saw in the screenshots the colors and such of the desktop changed a little, hope you can make them look like they are after default installation of 9.04
[14:45] <Anon4520> amik, from where did you get the .torrent file?
[14:45] <amik> the download page, just below the radio boxes thing
[14:46] <Anon4520> gonna give it a try
[14:47] <amik> Anon4520: besides, what's another hour or two? live the moment... ;-)
[14:47] <Anon4520> I keep living the moment by reading what's new in KDE 4.3.. that only makes me want it more :-))
[14:48] <Luggage> if you are running 9.04 you can update it too if im not misstaken
[14:48] <Luggage> guides on ubuntu.com
[14:48] <Anon4520> I'm on GNOME, gonna make a fresh install, don't like them all mixed together
[14:49] <tangent3> download speed 200KiB/s, upload speed 100 KiB/s... i'm such a leech
[14:49] <Luggage> i have no choice my download is 350 kb/s but my max upload bandwidth is 50 kb/s :s
[14:49] <Benedicht> i really love my 32mbit connection <3
[14:50] <Anon4520> download: 15KiB/s, upload 232Kib/s.. great.. here's the guy taking all my bandwidth away :-))
[14:50] <amik> Anon4520: btw, I use virtualbox to try out that kind of stuff without fear of messing anything up... I really like it
[14:50] <Luggage> lol anon
[14:50] <Anon4520> ETA: 10h 30m
[14:50] <Luggage> ow my
[14:50] <genjix> whats that?
[14:51] <genjix> thats when Kubuntu comes out?
[14:51] <Anon4520> long moment to live through
[14:51] <Anon4520> no.. that's when my torrent ends at curr speed
[14:51] <Anon4520> Kubuntu is out already
[14:51] <genjix> ah cool
[14:51] <amik> time is relative. for some ppl karmic is already out. for others, it will be out in 10 hours...
[14:52] <Luggage> hmm its downing here at my max bandwidth 350 kb/s from a normal mirror
[14:52] <Luggage> (dutch, twente university for me)
[14:52] <kaddi> german server isn't updated for me yet.
[14:52] <Anon4520> yeeey.. 2% downloaded.. 98 more to go
[14:53] <Luggage> germany isn far from holland maybe try the same mirror as me
[14:53] <Luggage> ?
[14:53] <genjix> "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127." :(
[14:53] <Anon4520> Luggage, what mirror?
[14:53] <genjix> umm. now what
[14:53] <Luggage> or maybe not I dont want my down speed halved ;)
[14:53] <Anon4520> :))
[14:53] <amik> what do mirros have to do with torrents?
[14:53] <amik> don't tell me you're still d/l the torrent file...
[14:54] <Anon4520> amik, who are you talking to?
[14:54] <amik> ummm... myself?
[14:54] <Luggage> amik im getting karmic from a http/ftp server ot torrents at my max bandwidth
[14:54] <Luggage> so im not going to bother with hoping for seeders to make the same speed :)
[14:54] <amik> apparently I'm living in the now - alone :-)
[14:54] <kaddi> luggage your downloading the iso to do a freshinstall?
[14:55] <Luggage> for haves at the moment if i need to do a fresh one sometime (problems or such)
[14:55] <Luggage> will update this install instead of fresh i think
[14:56] <kaddi> luggage I already upgraded a while ago and my reps aren't updated yet to go from RC to final Karmic. Different  situation then
[14:57] <bradpitt> anyone here try kubuntu netbook edition? how stable is it?
[14:57] <Anon4520> not stable
[14:57] <Anon4520> alpha
[14:57] <Luggage> haven seen the update announcer for 9.10 yet but im patient
[14:57] <Anon4520> that's what I read anyway
[14:57] <Luggage> :)
[14:57] <Riddell> bradpitt: perfectly stable, just incomplete
[14:57] <buckethead> i'm running it bradpitt.. A little rough on the edges but nice.
[14:57] <Anon4520> oh..
[14:57] <Anon4520> good to know :)
[14:58] <Anon4520> btw.. will that netbook edition and kubuntu in general work on a touchscreen? would be interesting
[14:58] <genjix> can someone fix this page
[14:58] <genjix> http://www.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[14:58] <bradpitt> Riddell : what's incomplete? i wanna know first before im going to download. cause it takes 6 hrs with my internet connections. thanks
[14:59] <genjix> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[14:59] <genjix> theres no kubuntu upgrade instructions
[14:59] <genjix> thats very bad
[14:59] <Anon4520> genjix: http://www.kubuntu.org/
[14:59] <Riddell> bradpitt: window decorations, app switcher, a few other things not yet coded
[14:59] <Anon4520> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:00] <Luggage> hmm i read the guide to update and it says basically, click on update available notification when it shows itself :) should work in kubuntu no? :p
[15:00] <genjix> Anon4520: so why dont someone fix the broken link on the help page?
[15:00] <amik> Luggage: should...
[15:00] <jamesjedimaster> of course there are instructions for upgrading to karmic http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[15:01] <genjix> but thanks for that :)
[15:01] <genjix> jamesjedimaster: not for kubuntu
[15:01] <genjix> its a broken link
[15:01] <Anon4520> genjix, can't answer that.. I have no idea
[15:01] <amik> Luggage: what about that seed u promised us? I don't see it yet :-)
[15:01] <Luggage> good one amik
[15:01] <Luggage> seed?
[15:01] <Luggage> i was talking the many ftp/http mirrors. some are quite fast
[15:01] <bradpitt> Riddell: ok thanks for the info. and for you too buckethead
[15:01] <Anon4520> ok.. now.. this speed is getting annoying.. can't wait to get it..
[15:02] <Riddell> Luggage: yes that'll work but it won't show itself immediately since it only checks occationally
[15:02] <Luggage> 25 mins left on my download I started a few mins ago
[15:02] <furyfire> is there only ubuntu out? and only 32 bit ?
[15:02] <kaddi> !apt
[15:02] <amik> Luggage: hmmm. you typo'd 'ot'. I corrected that to mean 'to'. u must have meant 'not'. :'-(
[15:02] <kaddi> what was the command for broken apt again?
[15:03] <Luggage> which sentence amik? lol
[15:03] <amik> Luggage: but u will seed us once u get the download, right? :-p
[15:04] <amik> I mean, I can wait 11 more minutes. but those hundreds of poor ppl with just 3%...
[15:04] <Luggage> i can but my upload bandwidth is poor
[15:04] <Luggage> my isp subscription is 350 KB/s down 50 KB/s up
[15:05] <Luggage> why not try one of the many mirrors, you dont have to pick one close to you persay to get better speed
[15:05] <Anon4520> why is the iso still dated Oct 28?
[15:05] <amik> Luggage: I'm starting to see where ur nick comes from... faster to carry stuff on u, eh?
[15:05] <Luggage> im getting 280KB/s off of one of the ftp mirrors through browser download
[15:05] <Luggage> the nick is a reference to a character from the Discworld books
[15:06] <kaddi> hehe
[15:06] <amik> Anon4520: they probably had the version ready yesterday. or their clocks are off :-)
[15:06] <Luggage> im downing from this mirror
[15:06] <Luggage> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=kubuntu-newest&arch=amd64&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fftp.snt.utwente.nl%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&debug=&download-button=&flavor=kubuntu
[15:06] <FloodBotK2> Luggage: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:06] <kaddi> !aptlock
[15:07] <eagles0513875> wooohoo grats on karmic :)
[15:07] <amik> Luggage: hold on, I'm still downloading that link
[15:08] <Luggage> brb
[15:08] <diconico07> where are the kubuntu karmic md5sums ?
[15:09] <Riddell> diconico07: http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/karmic/MD5SUMS
[15:09] <kaddi>  no updates for me yet... :(
[15:09] <Riddell> I'll add them to the download page
[15:09] <kaddi> just gonna wait then :p
[15:10] <Anon4520> 1181 seeds at the ubuntu torrent only 120 at the kubuntu one..
[15:11] <amik> Anon4520: how many on the win7 torrent?
[15:11] <Anon4520> that's almost an insult
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Anon4520, well, looks like most ppl like cartoons on their desktop :)
[15:11] <Anon4520> guess so
[15:12] <BluesKaj> kde doesn't promote itsels well enough
[15:12] <BluesKaj> itself
[15:12] <amik> I was actually aiming for the 'torrent' part of that sentence, not the numbers :-)
[15:12] <Anon4520> amik, I was actually aiming at the 'win' part of that sentence, not the torrent
[15:12] <Anon4520> :)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> uname -a is still giving me Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64, so where's the final release ...don't see it in the repos yet?
[15:14] <amik> I actually see this as a great opportunity for xp->k/ubuntu conversion. already made a few... to be honest, the weakest link seems to be oo.o
[15:16] <eagles0513875> amik: i agree i can live with using in all honest koffice instead of ooo
[15:16] <eagles0513875> whats funny is the koffice word processor uses the same extension as the ooo format
[15:16] <eagles0513875> suite i mean
[15:17] <amik> office compatibility (even basic use) is the single reason ppl have been reluctant to make the switch, or worse, were willing to try and asked me to take them back to something that 'works'
[15:17] <Anon4520> great, found a mirror.. 25 min left
[15:18] <bradpitt> amik : never use koffice before, how good is it compared to Ooo?
[15:19] <amik> amik: I've never used it either... I was talking about MSO on XP compared to oo.o on ubuntu... someone else mentioned koffice :-)
[15:19] <dmatt> Riddell: thanks for new release, is it possible to switch to netbook remix interface and back to normal one?
[15:21] <Riddell> dmatt: not very elegantly unfortunately, you can install kubuntu-netbook
[15:21] <amik> dmatt, riddell: I just asked that a few moments ago too (and the answer I got was yes), maybe this should be written in the netbook page - many would like the dual-option just to check it out, being the curious creature that it is. just a thought...
[15:21] <zippy27> OOo now opens and saves Office 2007 documents, and works extremely well...  I exchange docs with Office 2007 users all the time, they don't even realise I'm not using Windows :-)
[15:22] <Riddell> amik: yes we'd like to work with upstream to make that smoother, currently it just loads the one which is installed but it should be a config option
[15:22] <dmatt> Riddell: so it's install kubuntu-netbook and when I want to get rid of it, then uninstall same package?
[15:23] <dmatt> Riddell: I want to test it on my wife ;)
[15:23] <amik> riddell: I was thinking like u can have the ubuntu-desktop side by side with kubuntu-desktop on the x login menu, to have the netbook option(s) as well
[15:24] <Riddell> dmatt: uninstall plasma-netbook and kubuntu-netbook-default-settings when you're done
[15:24] <hagabaka> ahhh the tubes!
[15:24] <bradpitt> just basic question, why kubuntu doesn't include firefox? im sorry but konqueror is just too slow.
[15:24] <Riviera> Hi :) Where can I setup the keyboard repeat rate and delay? :)
[15:24] <Riddell> bradpitt: we're a KDE distro, personally I recommend arora
[15:24] <dmatt> Riddell: thanks
[15:25] <amik> zippy27: that has not been my experience. a significant percent of documents me and the ppl I 'support' have dealt with just didn't go smoothly between the two
[15:25] <zippy27> amik: maybe because my chipset is the mobile (Radion Xpress 1150)
[15:26] <mugginz> amik: It can be a good idea to have the windows fonts installed to help with interoperability
[15:27] <amik> just today, a friend sent me his CV from word, and it was messed up (layout, not fonts). He then proceeded to save it as 8 different file types (everything supported) and asked me to check how they look, out of curiosity. some were horrible, some mostly ok, but not one of them looked like the original, or like a CV u can actually send someone.
[15:28] <zippy27> amik: Perhaps because the people I usually work with tend to be professional Word users who know how to use the styles properly :-)
[15:28] <mugginz> I've found MS Word docs saved say with Arial 12pt font dont map correctly to a Linux 12pt font
[15:28] <bradpitt> Riddell : never heard about arora before, but im installing arora now.
[15:29] <mugginz> Arora rock
[15:29] <amik> while it may be Word's for incorrectly saving 8 different ormats, it doesn't matter. if oo.o can't read them, then the xp/office users have no choice but to remain that way.
[15:30] <mugginz> There are a few ways to make sure there is the best chance for Word to OO file swapping, the only guaranteed way I spose is to use Word in Wine or a VM I gues
[15:30] <amik> I think they gotta freeze all features, and just work on interop bugs, layouts, formats, whatever. make it a drop-in replacement that really works.
[15:31] <amik> it's so close, yet so far away
[15:33] <amik> mugginz: true - and that is exactly why ppl won't move to linux (from the ones I offered)
[15:33] <zippy27> Best converter I've seen yet is still Lotus Smartsuite, although it doesn't support Office 2007 formats yet (not sure it ever will now they've come up with that sawn-off OpenOffice horror Symphony)
[15:33] <zippy27> I do have Word 97 working in wine, but I don't think the "Office Genuine Disadvantage" crap works under wine...
[15:34] <mugginz> To give your docs the best chance you should install msttcorefonts and use MS Fonts in your documents
[15:35] <zippy27> Also Access 97 doesn't work in wine, that's actually the only part of office I actually needed to use...
[15:35] <mugginz> Still, scripting behavior isn't perfectly one to one either
[15:35] <bradpitt> mugginz : im sorry but Java isn't work with Arora
[15:36] <zippy27> I'm just a Firefox junkie so it's the first thing I install anyway
[15:36] <mugginz> bradpitt: I found Flash didn't work in Arora unless I was runing Karmic instead of Jaunty.  I'll quickly test sun JVM in Karmic.
[15:37] <amik> mugginz: that's not the point. as a first step, I let ppl try oo.o on their windows, alongside office. even that fails the test, and they quickly ask me to change the default back to mso.
[15:38] <mugginz> amik: Yes.  I find that most people will request that
[15:38] <bradpitt> mugginz : im using karmic but for me it seems java is still not working.
[15:38] <mugginz> bradpitt: That's no good.  I was wanting to change to Arora when I did my main install
[15:38] <mugginz> I might have to stick with Firefox for a while
[15:39] <Anon4520> btw guys, on Ubuntu 9.04 I had this bug that firefox would crash on fullscreen init from a player.. like youtube or so. Any bug-free flash version for KDE? I will be using Firefox
[15:39] <zippy27> BBC coverage of ubuntu, if you haven't seen it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm
[15:40] <amik> ppl are actually quite open to try 'linux', and some say it 'looks cool' and would be happy to change. but once they're in the middle of work and a document they're working on looks screwed up, they quickly want to drop the whole thing and go back to the familiar, working, environment. Anyway, that's that. enough rambling. got some koalas to play with :-)
[15:41] <mugginz> amik: I would say it's one of the most important things to get right to get more uptake of Linux
[15:42] <Riviera> No idea why linux should be equally idiotic as evangelizing religions.
[15:43] <lauren>  whats the best mediaplayer to stream .avi files over samba - kaffeine doesn't understand the protocol and dragonplayer seems to download the file as opposed to stream
[15:43] <zippy27> lauren: videolan I would have thought
[15:43] <Riviera> I'll go back to windows because no one here helped with setting my keyboard repeat setup :)
[15:43] <Anon4520> ext4 or 3 for the 9.10 ?
[15:43] <Riviera> bye .)
[15:44] <amik> Riviera: I think it's in the system settings, with that keyboard icon
[15:45] <Anon4520> any recommendation on that?
[15:45] <Riviera> amik: tried, didn't find :)
[15:45] <mugginz> bradpitt: Did you have the sun-java6-plugin installed alongside the java vm?
[15:46] <Riviera> amik: google said the same .. but no luck there for me.
[15:46] <bradpitt> mugginz : yes i did, sun-java6-plugin, bin, jre.
[15:46] <amik> Riviera: in karmic?
[15:47] <Anon4520> ok guys, be right back in a flash with a new koala on hands
[15:48] <amik> too bad they didn't put a fluffy little koala image somewhere.
[15:48] <zippy27> The Register review of Karmic: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/29/ubuntu_9_10_review/
[15:49] <bambule> join #sixxs
[15:49] <bambule> never mind...
[15:50] <noaXess> hi all
[15:50] <noaXess> does anybody work in printing/layout business with kubuntu?
[15:51] <zippy27> Good review on ZDNet too: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39846686,00.htm
[15:51] <Luggage> hmm going fullscreen on youtube doesn work
[15:52] <zippy27> Luggage: it's dodgy on Windows too, likely to be Flash rather than Karmic that's the problem.  Are you using the version from the distro, or did you download it direct from Adobe?
[15:53] <chaminski> hi
[15:54] <Riddell> noaXess: scribus guys will
[15:55] <noaXess> Riddell: so. what if you get a adobe indesign file.. how do you prepare it to work on it?
[15:55] <noaXess> Riddell: or illustrator..
[15:55] <Riviera> amik: aham, yes :)
[15:56] <amik> Riviera: coz on Jaunty it's just there. on karmic - I'll need a few more minutes to complete the install :-)
[15:56] <Riddell> noaXess: inkscape may open illustrator files I'm not sure, I doubt anything opens indesign files, it's what happens with undocumented file formats
[15:58] <noaXess> Riddell: ok.. so, my target is to get my wife away from windows to kubuntu and such tools.. she work now in adobe tools indesign, illustrator, flash, photoshop
[15:58] <Riviera> amik: ha! thanks ;)
[15:59] <amik> Riviera: you're most welcome, except... I didn't do anything yet, nor answer ur question :-)
[15:59] <amik> hmmm... I see karmic uses ext4 by default - is that good? bad? upsides? downsides? anyone?
[16:00] <zippy27> I personally use ReiserFS myself, had corruption problems with ext4
[16:00] <amik> so ext3 is still the good ol' safe bet?
[16:01] <zippy27> I had similar problems with ext3, and I've also had other hard disk problems, so I'm personally putting it down to interesting chipset bugs myself
[16:01] <amik> I see everyone's off playing with their new distros, hardly anyone left here :-)
[16:01] <BluesKaj> so what's the testing schedule for lucid (lunatic) lynx ?
[16:01] <ulysses__> I use Jaunty since Beta with ext4, no problem ever
[16:02] <hagabaka> i need to download for 6 more hours :(
[16:02] <zippy27> I suspect whatever bugs there are in the Acer BIOS/hardware, for some reason ReiserFS copes with it better
[16:02] <BluesKaj> amik, I'm already bored with karmic , looking for new stuff to complain about :)
[16:02] <kaddi> my internet speed really dropped after the lates karmic updates. I've seen a couple of people complain about that lately. Is there a fix for it?
[16:03] <zippy27> Install Windows 7, you'll have plenty to complain about then  :-)
[16:03] <kaddi> lol
[16:03] <BluesKaj> zippy27, already have it installed :)
[16:03] <zippy27> kaddi: sure it's not your ISP rate limiting you for downloading lots of upgrades?  It's one reason we picked the ISP we're on
[16:03] <amik> BluesKaj: have u tried win95 lately?
[16:03] <ugur> Hi all, I have just installed kubuntu karmic netbook remix to my msi u100 netbook. Now I can login on terminal but not on grafical prompt. What can i do?
[16:03] <zippy27> OS/2 Warp 3 FTW!
[16:03] <BluesKaj> zippy27, W7 runs well
[16:04] <amik> BluesKaj: running karmik in a vm in win95? that should keep u busy for a while...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:04] <kaddi> zippy27: yes, I share the connection with 2 other guys, their internet is as quick as ever... it's the machine itself
[16:05] <BluesKaj> well, think i need to take break from this pc , and go rake some leaves :(
[16:05] <zippy27> BluesKaj: Have fun raking...  must feed the dogs myself
[16:05] <kaddi> ugur: have you tried starting kdm from the terminal? Type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" and see if that brings up the graphical interface
[16:06] <ugur> kaddi: I see the graphical login interface but it doesn't accept my username and password
[16:07] <ugur> kaddi: should i try that anyway?
[16:07] <CupofDice> I am running kde 4.3.2 on jaunty. I installed it by- http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main. Is it safe to upgrade to Karmic? I'm not interested in a clean install.
[16:07] <kaddi> ugur: no, that will only bring up the login screen again. Probably won't help... but it can't hurt either
[16:09] <amik> ugur: u see the gui, u can type ur login name correctly etc, but it just doesn't authenticate? and from the command line the same credentials work ok?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> CupofDice, yes , use the update-manager , it's the safest method
[16:09] <CupofDice> okay, thanks BluesKaj
[16:10] <CupofDice> should I get rid of the ppa repository I added, or does it not matter?
[16:10] <ugur> amik: yes i can login from tty1 but it doesn't authenticate on kdm_greet login screen
[16:10] <kaddi> CupofDice: it will be disabled automatically
[16:10] <CupofDice> okay, thanks kaddi
[16:11] <BluesKaj> CupofDice, quite sure update-manager will edit your sources.list , right kaddi ?
[16:11] <amik> ugur: strange... dunno what to do then
[16:11] <zippy27> Yes, but if you have any medibuntu stuff on there you'll need to add the repository again after the upgrade to upgrade those components
[16:12] <kaddi> BluesKaj, CupofDice It certainly edited my sources.list when I upgraded to Karmic, so yes. :) I was using a ppa for kde as well, but I upgraded a few weeks back
[16:12] <BluesKaj> update the sources.list is what I mean
[16:12] <CupofDice> cool
[16:12] <kaddi> no problems whatsoever :)
[16:12] <ugur> amik: strange indeed i will search for it in the forum thanks
[16:12] <amik> Riviera: all ur problems solved?
[16:12] <CupofDice> Would stick with jaunty for a while (since I just switched back to linux after a few years of windows), but konqueror has a bug
[16:12] <kaddi> ugur: if you find out what happened to you, let us know. :) I'm curious what might cause this
[16:12] <zippy27> ugur: I've seen something similar before, now I think about it
[16:13] <amik> ugur: u have foreign language/keyboard layout or something like that involved?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> karmic has solved a lot of probs ppl encounter in jaunty it seems
[16:13] <kaddi> lol, if this was windows, I'd say winlogon.exe was missing, but for ubuntu I have no clue
[16:14] <kaddi> intel graphics are working again for example :p
[16:14] <ugur> amik: I am using Turkish Q Layout but i see the password correctly at the username section when i type it there
[16:14] <mugginz> bradpitt: Looks like they're aware of the fault http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-interest/2009-July/009560.html
[16:14] <mugginz> bradpitt: Don't know when it'll get fixed but
[16:14] <amik> ugur: ok, just another thought :-/
[16:16] <BluesKaj> well , lunch then yardwork ...laters gents & gentilles
[16:21] <jamesjedimaster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[16:21] <bradpitt> hi.. java applets are freezing. please take a look at http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo62/petsoundsband/Screenshot-5.png
[16:24] <mugginz> bradpitt: I sometimes get that with Flash plugin as well.  Restarting the broser fixes it.  But maybe not for Java
[16:24] <localnnuser__> jamesjedimaster: aint happenin here
[16:25] <wilsby29> how do I determine my current ubuntu version?
[16:26] <localnnuser__> wilsby29: uname -r
[16:26] <wilsby29> 2.6.27-7-server
[16:26] <jamesjedimaster> cat /etc/lsb-release
[16:26] <wilsby29> is that 9.04?
[16:26] <sjd> hey i just came to look help to get sound working on a dell studio 14. using ubuntu 9.04
[16:26] <localnnuser__> wilsby29: thats 904
[16:27] <Pici> !version
[16:27] <wilsby29> nope it's 8.10
[16:27] <wilsby29> according to /etc/lsb_release
[16:27] <dfrey> My fonts are smaller in karmic.  Anyone know why?
[16:28] <sjd> ?
[16:28] <localnnuser__> dfrey: so what? change them in system preferences
[16:28] <Riddell> dfrey: make sure you don't have kubuntu-netbook-default-settings installed
[16:29] <Anon2540> back with a new install
[16:29] <ugur> amik: Everytime i try to login kdm-greet screen tries to open a command terminal and then when i check the running process via top command in the tty i see that the pid of kdm-greet changes. Is it normal?
[16:29] <Anon2540> how can I remove that recent documents in the menu?
[16:30] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[16:31] <eagles0513875> Riddell: nice job on karmic btw :) glad to see the nm has been sorted finally as well
[16:32] <ugur> Anon2540: just right click and select remove documents
[16:33] <ugur> Anon2540: just right click and select "Clear Recent Documents"
[16:33] <Anon2540> there is the option of clear recent documents there, yes, but I want that removed entirely
[16:33] <lauren> I cant find a mediaplayer that'll receive .avi files over samba...
[16:33] <Anon2540> did that once.. can't remember how though
[16:34] <jeffrey1790> why isnt xsplash in 9.10 kubuntu?
[16:34] <Riddell> jeffrey1790: it's a gtk app, we use ksplashx instead
[16:34] <KingOfDos> jeffrey1790: please logoff. and run an irc application NOT as root?
[16:34] <jeffrey1790> omg... im still logged in as root.
[16:35] <jeffrey1790> my bad.,
[16:35] <Anon2540> Riddell, any idea on how to remove the Recent Documents tab in the KMenu?
[16:36] <jeffrey1790> there we go.
[16:36] <Riddell> Anon2540: I'm not sure if that's possible
[16:36] <KingOfDos> ;)
[16:36] <jeffrey1790> ksplashx doesnt appear to be in the repo.
[16:37] <jonathan__> hey guys i have 2 questions.
[16:38] <eagles05138756> when will konversation get put back into kubuntu. 2ndly im wanting to package a few things but not using the kubuntu naming convention but my own naming convention how can i do that
[16:41] <omicron23> hi. I have that had an original ubuntu 9.04 install. I installed kubuntu-desktop on that one and today I upgraded to 9.10. Now I have to different splash screens while booting:
[16:41] <omicron23> the kubuntu one (usplash i guess) and the new ubuntu xsplash..
[16:41] <jeffrey1790> why does kubuntu use usplash
[16:42] <jeffrey1790> ?
[16:42] <omicron23> is this the correct behaviour?
[16:42] <omicron23> the first splash screen that i get  is the one with the kubuntu logo and the progressbar beneath it..
[16:43] <omicron23> .. the second one is the new one from ubuntu 9.10
[16:45] <kaddi> hi, I need some help setting up grub. I have 2 windows installations and I would like to be able to select both through grub immediately. right now I have only one entry in grub which leads me to the windowsbootmanager. How do I change that?
[16:46] <Zeikfried> After having my system installed for awhile it has started to slow down on login and logout, is there any way to clean up my system to give it that fresh installation feeling once again?
[16:47] <lovre> Zeikfried: you using windows? lol. nvm.
[16:47] <KingOfDos> lol
[16:47] <KingOfDos> what kind of packages did you install?
[16:48] <KingOfDos> you can try to remove 'all' the . directory's. or move your home folder and create a new one
[16:48] <KingOfDos> or test it with another user
[16:48] <KingOfDos> then you can check, at least, if it's an user problem
[16:50] <KingOfDos> make sure you backup your . directoys, there can be some usefull stuff inside (special settings you've made, etc)
[16:50] <ugur> kaddi: I solved my problem about the login screen. It was because my /home partition was in another partition and i didn't format it while installing. So previous configuration files remain in the directory. After deleting them i was able to login
[16:50] <KingOfDos> hehe
[16:50] <kaddi> ah, cool, thanks for letting us know :)
[16:53] <KingOfDos> kaddi: the base grub files are located inside /boot/grub/ i guess. you can add your other windows installation inside the menu.lst i beleave.
[16:53] <KingOfDos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:53] <|eagles0513875|> KingOfDos: grub2 though is different
[16:53] <|eagles0513875|> kaddi: im guessing your still on grub and not grub2
[16:54] <kaddi> KingOfDos: yes I know that. However windows needs to be on the first partition which works well for one windows partition, but not for the second (for obvious reasons), I tried remapping, but still get error messages. And I don't know how to get rid of the bootloader from windows
[16:54] <Zeikfried> lovre: I have rendered my windows partition inoperable through GRUB, and yes i did it on purpose.
[16:54] <zy> i just installed 9.10
[16:55] <zy> i thought 9.10 uses grub 2?
[16:55] <KingOfDos> hehe
[16:55] <kaddi> zy:  not if you upgrade from jaunty. ;) On fresh install it does, yes
[16:56] <KingOfDos> but did you install windows on that partition, or you'r trying to move an windows install?
[16:56] <KingOfDos> because if your trying to boot windows from another ide/sata bus then the setup, it ain't working on default
[16:57] <KingOfDos> edit your boot.cfg or something. it's located inside the root of c
[16:57] <zy> kaddi: i did.. i wipe / and just kept /home (which is on a diff partition)
[16:58] <kaddi> KingOfDos: both windows are installed, all systems are on the same harddisk, but obviously different partitions
[16:58] <kaddi> zy: sry I thought you were referring to my problem as I'm still using grub and not grub2
[16:58] <KingOfDos> uhu. but if you've moved an partition. or at least the bus id's, then windows won't boot
[17:00] <kaddi> KingOfDos: as of know everything is working and I have no intention of moving anything around. The only thing I want to do is to select all presently installed OS from grub without using bootmanager
[17:00] <kaddi> from windows
[17:00] <zy> kaddi: ah nvm...
[17:02] <brunosimoes> hi
[17:02] <brunosimoes> i just downloaded the last version
[17:02] <brunosimoes> is really incredible
[17:02] <jeiworth> lol dist-upgrade needs to download >3gb X-D
[17:02] <brunosimoes> but i dont know how to change the theme
[17:02] <jeiworth> brunosimoes: what theme?
[17:03] <brunosimoes> kde
[17:03] <brunosimoes> i m at Desktop Theme Details
[17:03] <Anon2540> how to automount partitions?
[17:03] <brunosimoes> and i can select diferent themes
[17:04] <brunosimoes> but nothing happends
[17:04] <brunosimoes> in fact i cant press the button apply
[17:05] <jeiworth> hmm
[17:05] <jeiworth> Anon2540: during boot or after you log in?
[17:05] <zy> how to i enable dynamic type completion in bash anybody?
[17:05] <Anon2540> what's the difference? basically I want the automounted when I get logged in so that amarok can scan then
[17:05] <Anon2540> them*
[17:06] <jeiworth> well, you can mount them at boot time in the fstab or write a simple script and have that autostarted mounting the pratitions after login of the user
[17:07] <Anon2540> oh, ok, will look into it then, GNOME had a setting that did that automatically, that's why I was askin'
[17:08] <Zeikfried> You could install Ubuntu inside of Kubuntu.
[17:09] <jeiworth> hmmm really? haven't seen anything like that in kde/dolphin...
[17:09] <Zeikfried> That is what i did, i activated automount in my Ubuntu login and it activated it in my Kubuntu as well.
[17:09] <Anon2540> Zeikfried, no thanks
[17:09] <Anon2540> brb.
[17:09] <Zeikfried> =P
[17:14] <brunosimoes> which is the command to open the theme manager
[17:14] <jeiworth> lol about 1 day 9 hours remaining
[17:14] <jeiworth> sucky 1mbps connection :P
[17:19] <hackndoes> hi everyone
[17:20] <hackndoes> i am using the karmic (installed the rc) and i don't have sound from my applications like amarok and movie players, though in skype i have sound form my headset or speakers and system sounds i get
[17:20] <hackndoes> can anyone help me figure this out?
[17:21] <hackndoes> it used to work before
[17:22] <sploit__> hi, I have a problem installing the new kubuntu, all font are huge when X is started on the live cd when i choose "install kubuntu" from bootloader
[17:26] <frozenfoxx> Hey there, for anyone who was listening yesterday and wanted to know more about Kubuntu Netbook Remix on my Asus Eee 1101HA, it's running pretty good now
[17:26] <frozenfoxx> Following the directions for the Jaunty backports gets that blasted Intel GMA500 driver working, though I see no difference between EXA and UXA, better or worse
[17:27] <frozenfoxx> Kwin effects still won't work, even with poulsbo-3d working, just like in Jaunty, but the desktop otherwise has the right resolution, no "tearing," and works great.
[17:27] <satya> want to upgrade my ubuntu
[17:27] <frozenfoxx> So as long as you can live without fancy effects (and it IS a netbook after all) it's running rock solid.
[17:28] <frozenfoxx> As a personal preference note I replaced NetworkManager with wicd which also worked nicely with the Atheros card in there.
[17:28] <frozenfoxx> However, NM *did* do a better job this time out of the box than any previous versino of Kubuntu, so good job, guys, gals, and undecideds!
[17:28] <frozenfoxx> I just hate NM is all
[17:29] <frozenfoxx> Still working on getting kubuntu-desktop alongside Kubuntu NBR, but NBR is definitely functional for the technical, if not the non-technical.
[17:30] <sploit__> owkay, something is seriously wrong with 9.10 :/
[17:30] <sploit__> fonts are huge
[17:31] <sploit__> and when i right click on the desktop, the screen is filled with ramdom lines
[17:33] <localnnuser__> can we make menus transparent in kde?
[17:33] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Not that I have time or attention to fix your issue, what kinda graphics card are you running?
[17:33] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Sounds like X.org isn't properly auto-detecting it
[17:34] <frozenfoxx> localnnuser__: With the Kwin desktop effects I believe you can.  Even if not setting up transparency wouldn't be too difficult, all the menus are just parts of plasma.
[17:34] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: I think its just an intell chip
[17:34] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Which one though is important.  Pull up a terminal and do a "lspci |grep -i intel"
[17:34] <localnnuser__> frozenfoxx: im wondering how to do it
[17:35] <frozenfoxx> Just kinda drop that line in here, no need for pastebin
[17:35] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: yeah i know, gonna do it now, rebooting the laptop
[17:35] <Riviera> amik: no, sorry, I was absent
[17:36] <Riviera> amik: I earlier said thanks because you were installing karmic ;)
[17:36] <kaddi> how do I do groupchats in icq with kopete?
[17:37] <ubuntu_> hello
[17:37] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Basically if you're unlucky enough to have a blasted GMA 500 that's not *actually* an Intel card, and you'll need to jump through some hoops, but I'm proof that you can make it work pretty well, just not as well as an nVidia is all (or other Intels)
[17:37] <ubuntu_> anyone having problems installing kubuntu karmic?
[17:38] <frozenfoxx> ubuntu_: Nope, fresh install of 9.10 RC NBR
[17:38] <ubuntu_> it seems that ubiquity cant detect my second sata disk
[17:38] <frozenfoxx> Actually had a question of my own though
[17:39] <frozenfoxx> With the new Net Book Remix, I know it's not "usably complete" just "technically complete" so it's got some rough edges, and I'm fine with that, BUT....
[17:39] <frozenfoxx> It starts out with two of those new special containments (I forget what they're called) for being "desktops"
[17:39] <frozenfoxx> How could I add more of them?
[17:39] <frozenfoxx> I don't really see an easy way to and I'd like to run three instead of two
[17:40] <localnnuser__> seems that kde 4 menus can be transparent at all
[17:40] <frozenfoxx> The only other question along those lines I've got is there any way to reorganize the plasma widget arrangement WITHIN those meta-containments in NBR?  I've discovered by removing/adding I can kinda shuffle it but that's not really enough
[17:41] <frozenfoxx> localnnuser__: Not at the moment, but it's *possible* due to the code base.  Make it a feature request, I'm sure someone wouldn't mind looking at adding it as a Kwin effect since we've got that already for whole windows
[17:42] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: nearly there, didn't even have a tty at this boot :/
[17:42] <sploit__> -> rebooting
[17:42] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: If you're on Karmic, hold down the shift key to get Grub to come up since it's Grub 2 now, not grub 1, and select recovery console.
[17:43] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Then you can modprobe and test things with startx to see if you can get it to come up without being restricted to rebooting
[17:43] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: aight, great tip :)
[17:44] <ubuntu_> ok, i think this is my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/460965
[17:44] <ubuntu_> any solutions yet ? :D
[17:44] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: intel mobile 915GM
[17:44] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: No prob, took me awhile to figure that one out
[17:45] <eitreach> Has file sharing been fixed in Karmic?
[17:45] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Trust me though, it's for the best, just doesn't look that way from down here on teh user level.
[17:46] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: kernel module for intel? just "intel"?
[17:46] <Zeikfried> Can anyone tell me what i would have to do to get my gaming pad installed and operational? This is what i am using. http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?scy=US&slg=AEN&cat=PC_ACCESSORIES_CA&sct=MISCELLANEOUS_PC_ACCESSORIES_SU&session=20081210075254_24.27.184.210&grp=PC_PRODUCTS_GR&ctn=SGC2909/27&mid=Link_Software&hlt=Link_Software
[17:47] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: the lspci should say something like...hold on...
[17:47] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Okay, for my desktop it's got from "lspci |grep -i nvidia"....
[17:47] <frozenfoxx> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[17:47] <frozenfoxx> See that G80 and GeForce 8800 at the end?
[17:48] <frozenfoxx> That's the card
[17:48] <sploit__> jeps, i know
[17:48] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: That's what you need to see in the lspci
[17:48] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: That'll tell us if you've got a GMA 500.  If you *do* you've got extra hoops.  If you *don't* then probably a dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server or whatever would work fine
[17:48] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: and its an intel mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML express graphics controller
[17:49] <frozenfoxx> Yeah, you're find, that's a good chip
[17:49] <frozenfoxx> fine*
[17:49] <sploit__> ill do an X reconfigure
[17:50] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: Yeah, here we go, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[17:50] <frozenfoxx> sploit__: See if that sorts you.  This chip's been handled for several revisions in the kernel nicely
[17:53] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: fonts are still huge :/
[17:54] <hackndoes> can anyone help me with the sound issue
[17:54] <hackndoes> ?
[17:54] <sploit__> frozenfoxx: but I doubt this has something to do with X server
[17:56] <MVi> Hi everyone
[17:57] <MVi> I wanted to try out the new version today, but for some odd reason X won't start
[17:58] <busbaby> MVi: 32bit or 64bit version?
[17:58] <MVi> 32bit
[17:58] <busbaby> google for the vmalloc bug for display
[17:59] <busbaby> i bet that's whats going on with you
[17:59] <busbaby> in grub menu you'll want to add vmalloc=256M
[17:59] <MVi> ok
[17:59] <busbaby> gl
[18:00] <MVi> Is there a special way of doing that when you're booting from the CD?
[18:00] <MVi> I haven't installed it yet
[18:00] <MVi> installer won't run, obviously
[18:01] <busbaby> ya, i cant remember the exact keys ... but basically you want to select more options, then press 'e' to edit the boot command and add 'vmalloc=256M' to the end of the line ... then i think you press 'b' to boot
[18:07] <MVi> busbaby: still the same problem :(
[18:07] <MVi> when I run startx manually, I get some nasty stuff:
[18:07] <busbaby> hmmm ....
[18:07] <busbaby> try turning apci off
[18:07] <MVi> (EE) open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
[18:08] <busbaby> same way ... just add 'apci=off' to the end of the command line
[18:08] <MVi> roger
[18:10] <MVi> wait, /dev/fd0 is the floppy drive, aye?
[18:10] <MVi> that shouldn't matter
[18:11] <MVi> busbaby: turning apci off didn't help
[18:12] <busbaby> hmm
[18:12] <busbaby> sec, on phone
[18:12] <MVi> k
[18:13] <brunosimoes> anyone have a cool source.list for 9.10
[18:16] <MVi> sry, not fd0, but fb0
[18:16] <MVi> which is the framebuffer device
[18:17] <MVi> so (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[18:17] <MVi> (EE) VERA(0): No valid modes
[18:17] <MVi> *VESA
[18:18] <MVi> I've got a geforce 6800
[18:18] <Anon2540> how can I disable kopete notifications? if I disable all notifications the new messages don't appear in the bottom right corner but at the top, this really bugs me
[18:21] <Anon2540> anybody?
[18:23] <aapzak> so guys, are you happy with the 9.10 release? Is it as complete as it's gnome counterpart in terms of tools like packagemanager frontend and network manager?
[18:24] <Riddell> aapzak: I'm happy with it yes, it's far better than jaunty, there are still issues with both the parts you mention but the majority cases work and the rest should work in time for LTS next time around
[18:25] <aapzak> jaunty was unworkable for me, Intel problems
[18:25]  * aapzak I KNOW thisone will be better :)
[18:26] <aapzak> I'm on the fence about the actual distro. I love KDE but am still switching between arch and kubuntu every now and then
[18:27] <Riddell> aapzak: what does arch use for network management?
[18:28]  * aapzak Riddell: choices there, I use ifplugd in combination with wpa_auto
[18:28] <aapzak> I think the kde networkmanager isn't working good enough under archlinux
[18:28] <Riddell> hmm, that doesn't sound too user friendly
[18:28] <davidgomes> can anyone help me
[18:29] <davidgomes> how can i install eclipse, javasdk and kile
[18:29] <davidgomes> i tried to do apt-get
[18:29] <MsMaco> davidgomes: recommend getting eclipse from eclipse website. the one in repositories is pretty darned outdated
[18:29] <davidgomes> but not found
[18:30] <MsMaco> davidgomes: for java: openjdk-6-jre
[18:30] <MsMaco> and kile is in the repos
[18:30] <aapzak> kde4 version even, which is nice
[18:31] <davidgomes> openjdk-6-jre is not found too
[18:31] <davidgomes> do you know any website with a good source.list
[18:31] <davidgomes> for 9.10
[18:32] <laboratorio> hi
[18:33] <Mamarok> davidgomes: check this out: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[18:33] <Mamarok> it's a source list generator, don't know if it's up to date yet, though
[18:46] <Ulfgaar> Hi, all.
[18:46] <MsMaco> hello :)
[18:46] <Ulfgaar> I'm surprised, i expected the channel to be buzzing with the release.  I expected to have to shout to get an answer over the hubbub.
[18:46] <MVi> Hi Ulfgaar :)
[18:47] <Ulfgaar> Anyway, I just pulled the ISO and am getting ready to install and take the plunge into KDE4, but I have a lingering issue from previous attempts, and I'm wondering if anyone has found a solution...
[18:48] <Ulfgaar> I run a dual-monitor system.  both from a single video card (on-board Intel card on a Dell box).  In the KDE3 remox of Jaunty, I can get my panel to span both monitors.  I was never able to do so with the panel in KDE4.  Is that because I'm stupid, or because that's not an option?
[18:49] <Ulfgaar> I'm perfectly fine with the first answer, of course.  I'd just like to know how to become less so.
[18:51] <ChrisBuchholz> Hi - how do I auto-lock the toolbars in applications, so i wont have to do it in every single application?
[18:53] <darksaga> hello
[18:54] <mr_menace> hello  darksaga. hello everyone
[18:54] <davidgomes> how can i kill a apt-get operation
[18:56] <Mamarok> davidgomes: you shouldn't sounds like a bad idea
[18:57] <davidgomes> i forgot to set the proxy
[18:57] <funkiwan> currently running a distribution upgrade of kubuntu, from 9.04 to 9.10. it seems to be hung in the middle of "Getting new packages". any ideas how I can get it going again?
[18:57] <davidgomes> but from my experience when i stop the apt-get than it get locked
[18:58] <Mamarok> funkiwan: well, upgrading today is a bit risky, the servers are under heavy load
[18:58] <funkiwan> it has been saying "Fetching file 1082 of 1792" for over 20 mins, and it's no longer reporting a download speed
[19:00] <funkiwan> Mamarok: is there any way to prod it to attempt to reconnect?
[19:00] <Mamarok> hm, no idea, I would need to ask somebody
[19:01] <Mamarok> funkiwan: do you download in a konsole or with an GUI frontend?
[19:02] <funkiwan> Mamarok: it's a gui.
[19:02] <funkiwan> not sure which one
[19:03] <Mamarok> The GUI name is on top of the window on the left
[19:03] <Laeborg> Distribution upgrade process exited with code 1
[19:04] <funkiwan> Mamarok: it just says "Distribution Upgrade". from ps: kdesudo /tmp/tmpzFA7js/karmic --frontend=DistUpgradeViewKDE
[19:05] <Mamarok> funkiwan: funkiwan well, you have a GUI window, and there is a name in the window title, no?
[19:06] <Laeborg> I can't upgrade my 64bits
[19:06] <Mamarok> funkiwan: if it's stalled on the file download you can just kill it, but as said previously, upgrading today is a risky business, everybody want's to do it right now and the servers are under very heavy load
[19:07] <Mamarok> Laeborg: did it already start installing or were you still downloading?
[19:07] <Laeborg> didn't even come to the download part
[19:07] <Laeborg> ah im downloading now :)
[19:08] <Mamarok> Laeborg: that's likely because the server is overloaded
[19:08] <funkiwan> Mamarok: here's a screen cap: http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5395/distupgrade.png
[19:08] <Laeborg> only getting 600kb/s from germany :o
[19:08] <funkiwan> can you tell what the program is from that?
[19:08] <Mamarok> you people should be patient, upgrading on release day is very, very slow
[19:09] <Mamarok> funkiwan: yep, that's the upgradwe tool, as said in the title :)
[19:09] <Laeborg> Mamarok, i am patient :)
[19:10] <funkiwan> righ, i figured that, but is there a more specific name than "upgrade tool". i'm starting to feel like the tool here :)
[19:11] <Kovert> i am having an issue with the bluez program "cannot open /usr/local/share/applications/0/usr/local/share/applications/: No such file
[19:11] <Kovert> when i try to install
[19:12] <danielsp> did u use sudo ?
[19:12] <Kovert> sudo apt-get -f install
[19:12] <Mamarok> Kovert: that line looks a bit strange
[19:13] <Mamarok> the one you pasted up there
[19:13] <Kovert> i agree
[19:13] <gnac__> what does kubuntu use during the installation process if one selects to encrypt the users home directory?  i.e. how would I set up new users in a similar fashion?
[19:13] <EduardoCintas78> hi
[19:14] <EduardoCintas78> can anyone help me?
[19:14] <Mamarok> !ask | EduardoCintas78
[19:14] <Kovert> EduardoCintas78 juts ask the question
[19:14] <Kovert> Mamarok any way to force that program in?
[19:16] <Mamarok> Kovert: well, I guess you are missing another package, might be a dependency issue
[19:16] <Kovert> Mamarok would not the -f handle that
[19:16] <Mamarok> Kovert: it should, yes, could you please pastebin the complete output of the konosle and give the URL here
[19:17] <Kovert> cant to that unfortunatly that is in a VM :-(
[19:17] <danielsp> I'm looking for an expert to do a Video Conference for my university about Ubuntu, can someone help?
[19:18] <Kovert> Mamarok I can capture the screen but not sure how to send that
[19:19] <Mamarok> Kovert: well, you are on the internet, aren't you? copy the output and in a browser open http://paste.ubuntu.com, then paste the output there
[19:19] <EduardoCintas78> i can't share folder whit dolphin y obtain  "You need to be authorized to share folders"
[19:19] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: well, yes you need to have the permission to share a folder
[19:19] <Kovert> Mamarok will thjat work with a jpeg?
[19:20] <sudobash> the ubuntu ops are all dick heads...
[19:20] <LjL> !ops | sudobash
[19:20] <Mamarok> Kovert: why do you want to make a screenshot? I just need the terminal output
[19:20] <Pici> LjL: thanks
[19:20] <mmo|> Anyone else getting "md5 sum mismatch" errors when trying to update the repository in kubuntu 9.10?
[19:20] <Kovert> Mamarok in a virtual machine I cant get it from where I am
[19:20] <Mamarok> thx LjL and Pici
[19:20] <danielsp> I'm looking for an expert to do a Video Conference for my university about Ubuntu, can someone help?
[19:21] <Mamarok> Kovert: ah, ok, you didn't say that :)
[19:21] <Kovert> lol
[19:22] <Mamarok> Kovert: ksnapshot would be the tool, and you can send that to imagebin.ca
[19:22] <EduardoCintas78> I press configure file sharing (translating from spanish not sure if it is the exact message)
[19:22] <ugur> hi all, i now installed kubuntu karmic netbook remix and i want to install firefox but when i click on the firefox icon it starts an installer but when i select next it says all the required packages  and quits the installer
[19:24] <christoph3141> How can I select the best download server?
[19:24] <ulysses__> ugur: open a Konsole, and type the following command: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox-3.5
[19:25] <Kovert> Mamarok thats Implies I have gotten to a gui
[19:25] <ulysses__> ugur: it makes the same that the firefox installer
[19:25] <Mamarok> christoph3141: well, you can't really, the servers are under heavy load today
[19:25] <gnac__> what does kubuntu use during the installation process if one selects to encrypt the users home directory?  i.e. how would I set up new users in a similar fashion?  I'm using 9.10. for netbooks.
[19:25] <EduardoCintas78> and try all options but still get  "You need to be authorized to share folders"
[19:25] <Mamarok> christoph3141: use a torrent
[19:25] <christoph3141> Mamarok: cause the upgrade I abortet by now had maximum 200 kB/s
[19:25] <christoph3141> I'm upgrading, not downloading an iso
[19:25] <Mamarok> christoph3141: did you read what I said above? you just need to be patient
[19:25] <christoph3141> You can't do upgrade via torrent, can you?
[19:26] <Mamarok> no, but that doesn't change the fact that the servers are unde heavy load today, since everybody wants to upgrade
[19:26] <christoph3141> well, ok
[19:26] <Mamarok> people, Kubuntu will not run away, you can still upgrade during 18 months to 9.10
[19:27] <Mamarok> gnac__: you should ask in #kubuntu-netbook
[19:28] <teemu_> Hey ho. When I try to do cat /dev/dsp1 I get device busy. What would be the reason for this? PulseAudio? To my knowledge there's no program using it.
[19:28] <mmo|> Anyone else getting "md5 sum mismatch" errors when trying to update the repository in kubuntu 9.10?
[19:28] <Mamarok> ugur: please ask in #kubuntu-netbook
[19:28] <ugur> Mamarok: ok thanks
[19:28] <ulysses__> mmo|: I can update without errors
[19:29] <EduardoCintas78> Mamarok: how can I giveme roghts?
[19:29] <Kovert> Mamarok can I dcc you a picture of the error?
[19:29] <mmo|> ulysses__: hm, weird. Do you use the US repository? ALso I use the 64 bit version of kubuntu...
[19:29] <gnac__> Mamarok: ty
[19:29] <sudobash> eduardocintas78 look up chown and chmod
[19:29] <ulysses__> mmo|: no, i use de.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:30] <mmo|> ulysses__: ok, thanks. I'll try that.
[19:30] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: to have sudo rights, you need to start Dolphin with kdesudo
[19:30] <EduardoCintas78> sudobash: i know how to use chown and chmod but I think the folder peromissions is right
[19:30] <EduardoCintas78> with sudoes dolphin I have same error
[19:32] <ulysses__> mmo|: I also use 64 bit version, after release upgraded from jaunty (I use german mirror because germany is near to hungary, and the hungarian mirrors are a little slow...)
[19:32] <Kovert> EduardoCintas78 sudo dolphin
[19:32] <mmo|> ulysses__: it worked! Actually I was using the dk mirror I found out. It probably has some problems right now. :-) THanks!
[19:32] <EduardoCintas78> Mamarok:  with sudoed dolphin I have same error
[19:33] <EduardoCintas78> Kovert:  with sudoed dolphin I have same error
[19:33] <ulysses__> mmo|: yw
[19:33] <Kovert> EduardoCintas78 try sudo dolphin'
[19:34] <EduardoCintas78> Kovert: still the same
[19:34] <Kovert> EduardoCintas78 can you sudo in konsol
[19:35] <Mamarok> Kovert: no, never start a gui app with sudo in KDE, you need kdesudo, else he get's into permission trouble
[19:35] <Kovert> Mamarok ok thanks
[19:38] <davidgomes> anyone have a repo for 9.10 with libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig?
[19:39] <ChrisBuchholz> Whats the best way to automount an ntfs partition? fstab or some app, or?
[19:39] <ChrisBuchholz> i'm on karmic
[19:39] <EduardoCintas78> Mamarok: i have tryed with both maybe sudo have changed my permisions?
[19:41] <gnac__> Mamarok: hah, they sent me back here.  Guess its a generic feature not specific to the netbook installer.
[19:41] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: that is not unlikely, you will have to check in a terminal then
[19:42] <Mamarok> gnac__: sorry, I don't know what is used to encrypt the filesystem
[19:42] <ubuntu_> hi all
[19:42] <darkman83> does anyone have the same issues with installing 9.10 than me?
[19:43] <darkman83> my ext3 harddrive is not found
[19:43] <darkman83> only the usb stick
[19:43] <EduardoCintas78> Mamarok: how can I find the right permissions?
[19:43] <Mamarok> gnac__: you mean the question you get during installation if you want to use your user password also for decrypting?
[19:44] <stikonas> what happended to http://kubuntu.org website? It doesn't work for me.
[19:44] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: well, ls -la shows you the permissions you have, and you can change those with chown
[19:44] <Mamarok> stikonas: second
[19:44] <Mamarok> stikonas: works here
[19:45] <stikonas> strange
[19:45] <stikonas> because it worked for me just a couple of minutes ago
[19:45] <Mamarok> stikonas: wait, I empty my cache to check
[19:45] <Laeborg> ubuntu.com down ?
[19:45] <stikonas> kubuntu.org
[19:45] <darkman83> could anyone help me?
[19:46] <darkman83> or got the same problems?
[19:46] <Mamarok> stikonas: still works here
[19:46] <Kovert> !ask
[19:46] <Idhan> hi, I need to connect my computer and laptop with a lan cable..any help?
[19:46] <stikonas> Mamarok: and it works for me with Tor
[19:46] <Mamarok> Kovert: he did say the problem
[19:46] <darkman83> yep
[19:46] <Kovert> yikes I am ashamed
[19:47] <darkman83> the installer doesn't find my Harddisk
[19:47] <EduardoCintas78> Mamarok: I know. I mean how can I know the right permissions that sudo can have messed up there is any utillity  to che the permissions agains the pakages?
[19:47] <Kovert> Idhan see cross over cable
[19:47] <darkman83> already formated with partition manager
[19:47] <Mamarok> Idhan: well, you can't make a direct link with a normal lan cable
[19:47] <Mamarok> you should go through a router
[19:47] <darkman83> so i got a virgin HDD
[19:47] <darkman83> but karmic installer still does not find my HDD
[19:47] <darkman83> lol
[19:48] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: that I don't know, sorry.
[19:49] <fendriz> hi
[19:49] <Mamarok> EduardoCintas78: go through your /home folders(user and check the permissions that are set, those should all be set to the user normally
[19:49] <Mamarok> darkman83: you mean from the live CD?
[19:49] <darkman83> yes of course
[19:49] <darkman83> just downloaded
[19:49] <darkman83> tried with live cd
[19:49] <Mamarok> darkman83: how is that HD connected, and id you check it?
[19:49] <darkman83> tried with installer
[19:49] <Mamarok> did*
[19:50] <darkman83> per SATA
[19:50] <darkman83> HDD is detected by live CD and mounted under /dev/dsik
[19:50] <darkman83> disk
[19:50] <darkman83> i can browse through it
[19:50] <darkman83> but installer doesn't find it
[19:50] <Idhan> Mamarok: why can't make a connection with a lan cable :S
[19:50] <Mamarok> darkman83: what does dh in a terminal tell you?
[19:51] <darkman83> im currently in graphical mode
[19:51] <Mamarok> Idhan: because a lan cable is not for direct links between two PCs, it's used to llinke a PC to a router or a switch
[19:51] <darkman83> didn't started the installer in terminal
[19:51] <Mamarok> link*
[19:51] <ChaosR> aplay seems broken on karmic, any way to solve it (besides that and mplayer, all sound works)
[19:52] <stikonas> probably there was just some shor-time internet malfunction at Cambridge, now kubuntu.org works for me
[19:53] <Mamarok> darkman83: well, you can open a terminal, can't you?
[19:53] <darkman83> yes i did already so
[19:53] <ryanakca> darkman83: Try unmounting the hard drive and seeing if the installer detects it then.
[19:53] <darkman83> trying to find out how to start the installer in text mode
[19:53] <Mamarok> and do you see your HD with the dh command?
[19:53] <darkman83> it is already unmounted
[19:53] <darkman83> and is not detected
[19:53] <Mamarok> ok, the dh will not show it
[19:54] <darkman83> could i start the installer in textmode with debug or so?
[19:54] <darkman83> dunno what exactly you mean with dh
[19:54] <darkman83> sry
[19:54] <ikonia> don't think there is a debugg mode but you can sometimes get more info by viewing the other terminals
[19:54] <Mamarok> darkman83: dh is a command to see the partitions and how those are mounted
[19:54] <ikonia> df ?
[19:55] <darkman83> dh is not installed?
[19:55] <Mamarok> ouch, sorry, my bad, df of course
[19:55] <ikonia> thought so
[19:55] <ChaosR> nevermind, pcm was turned off and not showing in mixer, fixed it
[19:55] <Dekans> df -h :p
[19:55] <darkman83> dh tells hd is not mounted
[19:55] <Mamarok> seems I am really tired, time for a rest
[19:55] <darkman83> because i unmounted it before
[19:56] <Mamarok> darkman83: well, df only shows mounted partitions
[19:56] <darkman83> yes and my hdd is currently not mounted
[19:56] <darkman83> i dunno why the installer can't seem to find it
[19:56] <Idhan> Mamarok: since many yeas a ago you can do that without a routher..
[19:57] <Idhan> Mamarok: do you know how can I configurate the ip on each computer?
[19:57] <ChaosR> next question: how do I change the font size for GTK, it seems to be stuck at 10 or 12, way too big compared to KDE-native apps
[19:57] <davidgomes> is it possible to run compiz within the vmware with 3d acc enabled
[19:57] <davidgomes> ?
[19:57] <Mamarok> Idhan: ask somebody else, please, I am off for tonight
[19:58] <darkman83> system log shows no errors at bootup
[19:58] <Idhan> Mamarok: ok.. thanks
[19:59] <darkman83> 2009-10-29 20:24:09	scsi 2	:0:0: Direct-Access ATA Maxtor 6B300S0 BANC PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[19:59] <darkman83> i see no error
[20:01] <darkman83> damn it, it doesn't find my HDD loooooool
[20:01] <darkman83> the devil is in
[20:03] <ChrisBuchholz> Question: do there exists a manager for kwin, like compizconfig-settings-manager for compiz?
[20:03] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: try to change HD access options on the BIOS
[20:03] <EduardoCintas78> ChrisBuchholz: yes
[20:03] <mmo|> What is the best way to auto mount NTFS disks on start-up (so one doesn't have to click on them first in dolphin)
[20:03] <darkman83> i can only set IDE mode or SATA mode
[20:03] <ChrisBuchholz> EduardoCintas78: whats it called?
[20:03] <EduardoCintas78> from the System settings chose desktop
[20:03] <darkman83> never had problems before with that, last version of kubuntu just worked fine
[20:03] <ChrisBuchholz> EduardoCintas78: thank you!
[20:04] <EduardoCintas78> ChrisBuchholz: ur welcome
[20:04] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: I mean to chose IDE access
[20:04] <darkman83> i just installed a partitioning programm, will format the disk with ext4
[20:05] <darkman83> looking forward
[20:05] <darkman83> i do not understand, why this thing is not working like it should...
[20:05] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: if U cant see the disk in partitioning stage of the installer
[20:05] <darkman83> can access, mount, unmount the disk as normal
[20:05] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: formating it won't help
[20:05] <darkman83> no i can't the it, he finds the disk
[20:06] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: then what is wrong?
[20:06] <darkman83> i could hear it stuttering access to the disk is happening
[20:06] <darkman83> but than he displays an empty list
[20:06] <darkman83> did get waht i mean?
[20:07] <darkman83> i get an empty list...
[20:07] <mmo|> What is the best way to auto mount NTFS disks on start-up (so one doesn't have to click on them first in dolphin)
[20:07] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: no, can U see the disk for partitioning it whit the installer?
[20:07] <darkman83> no i can't
[20:07] <darkman83> empty list
[20:08] <darkman83> only usb stick is shown if i plug it in
[20:08] <EduardoCintas78> the how you can mount it?
[20:08] <darkman83> started from live cd
[20:08] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: then how you can mount it?
[20:08] <darkman83> it mounted the disk automatically
[20:08] <darkman83> and also through console i can mount and unmount it
[20:09] <darkman83> only the installer refuses to find the HDD
[20:09] <EduardoCintas78> darkman83: i'm not sure but i think you can start the installer from the running live cd
[20:09] <darkman83> it seems the only thing i could to for now is to set SATA to IDE mode....
[20:10] <darkman83> yes i did it
[20:10] <darkman83> and i get an empty list at partitioning screen
[20:10] <darkman83> no HDD is displayed
[20:10] <darkman83> so thats my problem!
[20:10] <EduardoCintas78> that weird
[20:10] <darkman83> i will just restart and test ide mode
[20:10] <darkman83> will be back in a few minutes, if something doesn't work
[20:10] <darkman83> see you
[20:11] <eitreach> Kubuntu will not find drivers for my Geforce 8600GT. What should I do?
[20:12] <MVi> eitreach: I've got the same problem, except with 6800 GT
[20:13] <MVi> I tried Ubuntu as well, same problem
[20:13] <ikonia> MVi: what's the problem sorry
[20:14] <MVi> ikonia: X won't start for some odd reason
[20:14] <ikonia> MVi: what actually happens ?
[20:14] <MVi> ikonia: a bunch of error messages
[20:15] <MVi> (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[20:15] <MVi> (EE) VESA(0): No valid modes
[20:15] <dexnio> Hello, can anyone help with problems I'm having with fresh 9.10 install... It cannot find network (DHCP) while 9.04 was working perfectly... I was thinking of installing wicd, but how can I get it into my computer as I dont have connection to network... ?
[20:16] <MVi> ikonia: That happens when I try to install Kubuntu
[20:17] <MVi> It's unable to start X, goes straight to console
[20:17] <rick_> i had the same porblem
[20:17] <ikonia> MVi: what card is it ?
[20:17] <MVi> GeForce 6800 GT
[20:17] <ikonia> MVi: is the installer failing, or just the finished install
[20:17] <MVi> installer
[20:18] <ikonia> MVi: have you tried the alternative installer CD ?
[20:18] <eitreach> "Amarok wishes to install packages.." *zing* "Packages already installed!" nothing was installed..
[20:18] <LexR> kde 4.3 is pretty nice. I like the Air theme
[20:18] <MVi> ikonia: haven't tried it yet
[20:18] <MVi> I'll try it next
[20:19] <ikonia> MVi: not a fix but worth a try, I'll investigate
[20:19] <rick_> 8.10 and 9.10 do it to on live cd  so i just pluged in a ethernet cord and in 45 minets i was done
[20:19] <MVi> ikonia: thanks
[20:20] <rick_> hey have you seen that new compiz fushion
[20:20] <ofv> hi. the update manager is stuck at 98% of installation.
[20:20] <ofv> is it safe to kill and restart it?
[20:21] <rick_> if u want your hard drive is not safe
[20:21] <dexnio> ofv, for me it continued after killing it
[20:21] <ofv> well, mixed responses :-)
[20:21] <ikonia> ofv: no
[20:22] <ikonia> ofv: if can be fatal
[20:22] <ikonia> ofv: depends on what stage the upgrade is at
[20:22] <darkman83> damn it, still no luck
[20:22] <darkman83> HDD is not found
[20:22] <ofv> ikonia: the last message was "installed korganizer"
[20:22] <darkman83> started kubuntu without splash
[20:22] <ikonia> doesn't really help
[20:22] <darkman83> no errors found at startup
[20:22] <ChrisBuchholz> How do i automount a ntfs partition the prober way?
[20:22] <dexnio> mine was downloading packages, and my network hanged... I killed process and started - and update continued where it left
[20:23] <darkman83> hdd aviable in dolphin...
[20:23] <ofv> dexnio: this one was 98% at installing the packages. downloading was fine.
[20:23] <darkman83> karmic installer still doesn't find my HDD
[20:23] <darkman83> grrrrr
[20:24] <dexnio> ofv: ok, sorry, I cannot help on that situation :(
[20:24] <ofv> so what can i do to unstuck the installer? (it is not responding)
[20:29] <darkman83> guys i just get frustrated
[20:29] <darkman83> really need a hint on this
[20:29] <darkman83> why does the karmic installer not find my HDD? :-(
[20:29] <darkman83> usb stick found
[20:29] <darkman83> usb hdd found
[20:29] <darkman83> SATA disk could be used through live cd
[20:29] <darkman83> but installer refuses to find it
[20:29] <darkman83> damn it
[20:30] <dexnio> did you install some raid driver?
[20:30] <darkman83> no i didn't
[20:30] <darkman83> and have never to do this before
[20:30] <darkman83> 9.04 just installed without any driver need
[20:30] <dexnio> are you sure, atleast for me it offered only it
[20:31] <darkman83> why it sould work with live cd an installer doesn't find the hdd?
[20:31] <darkman83> i see no reason for installing the driver
[20:31] <darkman83> SATA is kernel specific
[20:31] <dexnio> I had to use alternative installer to prevent setup putting raid driver on my disks
[20:31] <darkman83> also the parition manager i've just installed finds the disk and just works fine
[20:32] <darkman83> alternative cd? or what did you mean?
[20:32] <darkman83> gimme a hint...im bored xD
[20:33] <darkman83> i can't just understand, why 9.04 installes like charn an 9.10 makes such problemes...
[20:33] <daeavelwyn> hello here
[20:33] <dexnio> if I use desktop installer, it will only gives options to setup raid driver on my disks... but if I use alternative installer I can select raid driver or without it
[20:33] <daeavelwyn> does anyone has already used smuxi IRC client ?
[20:34] <darkman83> alternative installer means alternative installer CD?
[20:34] <dexnio> yes
[20:35] <darkman83> damn...than i have to download another CD :-(
[20:37] <dexnio> anyone have any ideas how should I start figuring out how to get my fresh 9.10 networking?
[20:39] <dexnio> when I updated 9.04 => 9.10 I got net up like normally... but now after doing fresh install of 9.10 I cannot get net up... Any ideas what to do? where to check?
[20:40] <EagleScreen> dexnio: how do you connect?
[20:40] <zy> does kubuntu support vpn out of the box?
[20:40] <dexnio> I was wondering if I should replace networkmanager with wicd, but how can I get it into box as I dont have conneciton?
[20:40] <dexnio> its wired connection via DSL
[20:41] <zy> seems like i can configure a vpn but can't connect to it...
[20:41] <EagleScreen> dexnio: usb-modem with phone cable?
[20:41] <darkman83> uh, found a fast server for download
[20:42] <darkman83> 5 min until finish ^^
[20:42] <CarbaOS8> Does anyone know if the linux version of sheepshaver has an irc channel?
[20:42] <dexnio> eaglescreen: its regular DLS modem
[20:42] <darkman83> hope the alternate install cd would bring out an error for me or give me an hint that the graphical installer doesn't
[20:42] <darkman83> damn it...
[20:43] <EagleScreen> dexnio: is it connected by usb or by ethernet?
[20:43] <darkman83> never got those problems with installing kubuntu before
[20:43] <darkman83> :-(
[20:43] <dexnio> currently Im writing this from kubuntu 9.10 which was updated from 9.04..
[20:43] <dexnio> eaglescreen: by ethernet
[20:43] <daeavelwyn> CarbaOS8: what is sheepshaver ?
[20:43] <CarbaOS8> A powerpc (mac) emulator.
[20:44] <EagleScreen> dexnio: if your have Linux driver for your ethernet card, shouldn't be any problem
[20:44] <darkman83> also the bootable usb stick i've created failed to boot up lol...this kubuntu version scares me
[20:44] <daeavelwyn> CarbaOS8: ok thanks :)
[20:44] <EagleScreen> this Kubuntu version is very good, possibly the first good after 8.04 'hardy'ç
[20:44] <CarbaOS8> daeavelwyn: :-)
[20:45] <dexnio> eaglescreen: where can I get one? I didnt even knew that I would need that, as I havent needed one with any other kubuntu from 7.04 till this day
[20:45] <darkman83> if i even could get it to detect my HDD and install i think so too
[20:45] <amik> EagleScreen: in what sense? (hi!)
[20:45] <EagleScreen> alternate Cd has worked perfectly for me
[20:45] <darkman83> but until now...nothing...
[20:45] <darkman83> just downlaoding alternate installer cd
[20:45] <jad> HI all!
[20:45] <darkman83> i'll give it a try
[20:45] <CarbaOS8> I'm screwing around with emulators while I do an apt-get upgrade. Right now I'm in basiliskII emulating a 68k mac with macos 8.1
[20:46] <CarbaOS8> It's pretty neat, but just for the sake of it, I would like to be emulating a powerpc.
[20:46] <EagleScreen> amik: a really stable KDE version, a working networkmanager applet, a working bluetooth applet, and a good Firefox integration
[20:46] <EagleScreen> and a better kpackagekit
[20:47] <darkman83> don't talk to much about karmic, im so tired that i can't get it installed...
[20:47] <dexnio> eaglescreen: can you give any hint on how I could find out if 9.10 cannot detect my network card?
[20:47] <Cole_de_Rois> Hi
[20:47] <amik> EagleScreen: I was just about to point out how annoying it is that FF isn't installed by default... it's probably the most installed app on a new system... why not just have it built in?
[20:47] <Cole_de_Rois> Anybody here?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> no
[20:47] <dexnio> amik: count agree more
[20:47] <amik> EagleScreen: but other than that, it does look solid so far :-)
[20:48] <dexnio> *couldnt
[20:48] <EagleScreen> amik: because it does not fit in Kubuntu Live CD
[20:48] <EagleScreen> dexnio: $ lspci | grep Ethernet
[20:48] <EagleScreen> amik: Kubuntu 9.10 has a special Firefox installer
[20:48] <darkman83> lol
[20:48] <darkman83> k3b is funny
[20:48] <amik> EagleScreen: I'm sure there are hords of other apps that show less than 0.01% the usage that FF gets...
[20:48] <papegaaij> hi all
[20:49] <darkman83> said my burner does not support 16x and set it to 17 x lol
[20:49] <papegaaij> i've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and now i can no longer shutdown my system
[20:49] <esk4y> does the FF installer do anything special other than apt-get install firefox?
[20:49] <amik> EagleScreen: yes I saw it, which is nice, but still. when booting from a livecd for whatever reason, the last thing I want to do is spend more time (running from a cd) to install FF so I can actually do some convenient browsing...
[20:49] <darkman83> thats why i always say: a freh install on new dist version is best :-P
[20:50] <amik> esk4y: yes, it shows a progressbar.
[20:50] <papegaaij> when i choose shutdown in the k-menu, the popup commes up, telling me my system will shutdown in 30 seconds
[20:50] <dexnio> eaglescreen: thanks... it seems that my net card is detected properly... I get line saying 00:11.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
[20:50]  * BluesKaj is bored with karmic's stability , wonders when 10.04 testing begins
[20:50] <esk4y> amik: thx
[20:50] <papegaaij> but when i press that button, the popup closes and nothing happens
[20:50] <papegaaij> and after that, the shutdown option in the k-menu no longer works
[20:50] <darkman83> okay guys im out again tying the text installer mode...wish me luck, that i can get my hdd detected ^^
[20:50] <EagleScreen> amik, esk4y I think it also install ubuntu plugins to install flash and other stuff directly from package repository
[20:50] <amik> BluesKaj: still looking for something to rant about?
[20:51] <papegaaij> i have to open a console and manually shutdown with 'halt'
[20:51] <EagleScreen> you can improve firefox integration by a Launchpad PPA
[20:51] <papegaaij> any idea what could be causing this?
[20:51] <BluesKaj> no rants,just critiques, amik :)
[20:51] <theredcomet2000> hey all.  fired up 9.10 and my screen is garbaged up.  i am assuming KDE defaults to compositing?  if so, is there an easy way to turn that off without having to use the GUI?
[20:52] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: you can edit the kwin config file
[20:52] <EagleScreen> for better Firefox integration in KDE, install packages in https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde and search and install plasmanotify add-on
[20:52] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: it's pretty easy, you can find in in .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[20:52] <theredcomet2000> papegaaij: beutiful, i'll try that
[20:53] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: look for the Compositing section, and change Enabled to false
[20:53] <papegaaij> nobody with a clue why shutdown no longer works?
[20:54] <amik> EagleScreen, esk4y: and I see it also leaves behind the installer icon right next to FF in the menu, with the same icon, in case u feel like being confused-at-a-glance
[20:54] <Cole_de_Rois> Hi. I have issue with update process. Sometimes download speed slowed to 0 and file downoading terminates and begin again.
[20:54] <theredcomet2000> papegaaij: there doesn't appear to be a [Compositing] section.  just [$Version] and [Desktops]
[20:54] <EagleScreen> yes amik that is a usability bug for me
[20:55] <theredcomet2000> papegaaij: should i create a [Compositing][ and then under that "enabled=false"?
[20:55] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: yes, you can try adding [Compositing]
[20:55] <EagleScreen> papegaaij: test if it happens in a clean user enviroment
[20:55] <papegaaij> and Enabled=false
[20:55] <theredcomet2000> papegaaij: enabled capitalized?
[20:56] <amik> EagleScreen, esk4y: I don't see flash, only 'skype buttons for kopete' plugin and 'ubuntu firefox modifications' extension (which I think is what disables the check for updates menu, etc.). and the FF font is much larger than the rest of the desktop fonts.
[20:56] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: yes
[20:56] <amik> EagleScreen, esk4y: That being said, I'm glad this is what I'm ranting about. it means we've come a long way indeed :-)
[20:56] <Cole_de_Rois> Hi. I have issue with update process. Sometimes download speed slowed to 0 and file downoading terminates and begin again.
[20:57] <papegaaij> EagleScreen: i'll give it a try, i've found a forum post with the same problem, and for him it helped
[20:57] <Cole_de_Rois> Pleas look at me :)
[20:57] <amik> Cole_de_Rois: does it proceed afterwards? maybe it's just congestion in the tubes
[20:58] <papegaaij> theredcomet2000: good luck, i have to go, trying to reboot my system :)
[20:58] <replman> my kubuntu asked me i i want to upgrade. I want, but i had to less hdd-space and the upgrade cancled. How can i reinitiate it? I mean this graphical notification. Or does it the same that apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:58] <Cole_de_Rois> amik:no file starts to download from beginning
[20:59] <EagleScreen> replman: update-notifier-kde -u
[20:59] <amik> Cole_de_Rois: well that's better than aborting with an error :-)
[20:59] <replman> EagleScreen: Thank you
[20:59] <amik> Cole_de_Rois: it may just be slowness of the repos, with everybody trying to upgrade concurrently...
[20:59] <replman> EagleScreen: What does -u mean?
[20:59] <jad> !upgrade | replman
[21:00] <Cole_de_Rois> amik: yes, but update continues 5 hours....
[21:00] <replman> EagleScreen: i found it
[21:00] <amik> Cole_de_Rois: ah. so I think u can just d/l the alternatve cd and upgrade from that (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[21:00] <arc_> hi all
[21:01] <esk4y> amik: I messed with fonts to get them smaller so they matched kde fonts.  I haven't looked but I assumed the FF installer is some package I'd remove later.  yes, a usability factor.
[21:01] <Cole_de_Rois> amik: I will wait more
[21:04] <amik> I like the built-in usb startup disk creator, very useful
[21:06] <allee-k_> Cole_de_Rois: you may change the pkg mirror in sources.list, e.g.  archive.ubuntu.com  -> fr.archive.ubuntu.com  or similar
[21:07] <Cole_de_Rois> allee-k_:I'm using ru. mirror...
[21:07] <Idhan> hi, I am setting manually an ip-address with the Kde manager connection, the ip is for the eth0 with 192.169.0.2, but when I use the command "ifconfig" I cann't see the ip according to the configuration..
[21:07] <Idhan> do I need to restart the system?
[21:08] <allee-k_> Cole_de_Rois: try a country XX.archive.ubuntu.com next to you?
[21:08] <allee-k_> Cole_de_Rois: or wait a bit ;)
[21:09] <amik> anyone else find little new cool stuff? do share!
[21:11] <amik> no more adept I see
[21:11] <allee-k_> amik: in dolpin icon size changeable via slider
[21:11] <Cole_de_Rois> allee-k_: update in progress. Don't see a strong reason to stop it
[21:13] <Cole_de_Rois> Last question. I'm new in IRC. Please advise how to exit correctly?
[21:14] <amik> allee-k_: nice, thogh I usually perfer details view
[21:14] <amik> Cole_de_Rois: u can just close the window, we'll survive :-)
[21:14] <jad> Cole_de_Rois: /quit
[21:14] <Cole_de_Rois> :-D
[21:15] <Cole_de_Rois> amik: thanks, but I think that is barbarian way :)
[21:18] <EagleScreen> in 9.10 also is possible to install a KDE configuration module to configure or enable/disable touchpad, from Launchpad PPA
[21:19] <EagleScreen> PPA for touchpad configuration: https://launchpad.net/~eaglescreen/+archive/backports
[21:19] <EagleScreen> PPA for Firefox KDE integration: https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde
[21:20] <amik> EagleScreen: what's the criteria for being PPA instead of standard repos?
[21:20] <EagleScreen> extra packages in PPA, or updated backported packages
[21:21] <amik> touchpad settings sounds pretty important, and a must for netbook edition
[21:22] <EagleScreen> I hope these two imporvements to be in official repositories for 10.04
[21:25] <claydoh> amik: the touchpad confog tool is extremely new, don't think it is even in official KDE yet
[21:25] <EagleScreen> it isn't
[21:25] <capcom> hello
[21:26] <kubuntuser> hi capcom
[21:26] <amik> is there a way to view/edit an applications menu item?
[21:26] <claydoh> actually there are 2 different tools for it now, the system settings module one didn't offer disable-touchpad-while-typing last time I built it
[21:26] <Mousey> hi, DUMB QUESTION ALERT: if i have ubuntu installed, and want to upgrade to karmic koala, Kubuntu, can i just LiveCD my way to upgrade happiness?
[21:26] <amik> like if I want to see what's the app behind "USB Startup Disk Creator"?
[21:26] <claydoh> amik: right click the kmenu icon, select the menu editor from there
[21:27] <ulysses__> Mousey: no, you should use the alternate CD
[21:27] <Mousey> ulysses__: oh?
[21:27] <ulysses__> you can't upgrade with livecd
[21:27] <Mousey> ulysses__: to upgrade ubuntu->kubuntu?
[21:27] <EagleScreen> Mousey: you need alternate CD
[21:27] <Mousey> ooh
[21:27] <amik> claydoh: 10x. maybe they should ad it to right-click menu on menu items too...
[21:27] <Mousey> alrighty then. thanks folks
[21:27]  * Mousey downloads
[21:27] <alt_> name Alt666
[21:28] <EagleScreen> amik: KDE Menu is fully editable
[21:28] <BluesKaj> Mousey, which version do you have ?
[21:28] <claydoh> amik: yeah, maybe in a future KDE version, its a good idea
[21:28] <alt_> fuck!..why speed update 9.10 very slow?!?!??!?!?!(((((((((((((((
[21:28] <allee-k_> amik: when you add the app to panel or desktop you RMB and look at properties
[21:29] <Mousey> BluesKaj: ubuntu jaunty
[21:29] <allee-k_> alt_: don't know.  but after install it's much faster than before :)
[21:29] <claydoh> !language
[21:29] <EagleScreen> amik: you cann see it in menu editor
[21:29] <alt_> its good!))
[21:29] <amik> allee-k_: thanx, but I think what claydoh said is what I was looking for
[21:29] <capcom> today i installed karmic on an empty pc. i recognize that all applications using gtk have lagrer fonts as the normal kde software. earlier the answer was to enter kcontrol and set for gtk-apps to use kde settings as well. but this doesn't have an effect this time. in normal user mode i can't even set the radio button, this is only possible as root. does someone already have a solution for this?
[21:30] <alt_> рус
[21:31] <EagleScreen> capcom: set it to use your KDE fonts, set a smaller font for KDE and you will see the results
[21:31] <amik> is there usb-creator-kde for jaunty? I want to prepare karmic for netbook
[21:31] <amik> (I don't see it in apt-get)
[21:31] <bionicle> Is there software for Kubuntu I can force it to know what type of monitor I have?
[21:31] <EagleScreen> amik: jaunty hasn't got it
[21:32] <EagleScreen> but you can install usb-creator (Gtk) by sudo aptitude -R install usb-creator
[21:32] <BluesKaj> Mousey, use the update-manager to upgrade, safest
[21:32] <bionicle> I can never get any resolution other than 640x480 using the proprietary drivers.
[21:32] <capcom> EagleScreen: is the order of the steps important? i already set the kde font in general to a size 8 and this made me recognize the difference i.e. at firefox
[21:32] <Mousey> BluesKaj: that'll upgrade me to ubuntu, but i wan kubuntu
[21:32] <amik> EagleScreen: does installing gtk apps bring in lots of gnome dependencies?
[21:32]  * Mousey baws
[21:32] <allee-k_> bionicle: krandrtray ?
[21:33] <bionicle> DOn't work
[21:33] <EagleScreen> amik: use the command i gave you and you will see
[21:33] <bionicle> Only resolutions using the bloody drivers is 320x240 or 640x480
[21:33] <amik> EagleScreen: :-)
[21:33] <EagleScreen> amik: you will can cancel it if you want
[21:33] <bionicle> xrand does nothing at all.
[21:33] <kubuntuser> bionicle: did you try the hardware drivers manager?
[21:33] <bionicle> That is how I installed the drivers.
[21:33] <EagleScreen> capcom: just changed Firefox?
[21:34] <kubuntuser> bionicle: ok
[21:34] <bionicle> My video card is nvidia geforce fx 5200 compaq mv900 monitor.
[21:34] <allee-k_> bionicle: AFAIR prop. driver have a special config tool
[21:34] <bionicle> Even the nvidia settings don't allow me to do anything above 640x480
[21:35] <bionicle> It is a royal pain in the backside.
[21:35] <bionicle> With all the problems how can one use LInux?  lol
[21:35] <alt_> hi,if i diskonected update 9.10 for the next time my update continue download????????
[21:35] <BluesKaj> Mousey, do this then use the upgrade manager, http://linux.digitalsp.com/2009/08/kde-43-is-out-how-to-upgrade.html
[21:35] <EagleScreen> amik: 47 Mb of Gnome dependencies, later you can run 'sudo aptitude remove usb-creator' and it ahould remove its Gnome dependencies too
[21:35] <bionicle> It isn't just Kubuntu I have problems with.  It is every bloody distro I have tried.
[21:36] <bionicle> Always the same bologny and annoyance with video.
[21:36] <amik> EagleScreen: already did it, but thanks for looking into it :-)
[21:36] <allee-k_> alt_: it starts from beginning skipping the steps already done
[21:36] <alt_> snx
[21:36] <EagleScreen> going to the dinner, see you later
[21:36] <amik> bionicle: fx5200 is pretty old, not sure it's still officially supported by nvidia - maybe u actually need one of the older legacy drivers
[21:36] <kubuntuser> bionicle: I would ask in #ubuntu . Everything you are talking about affects ubuntu and there are more people there.
[21:36] <yofel> bionicle: what card do you have? 'lspci | grep VGA' if you don't know
[21:36] <capcom> EagleScreen: it's also in other gtk apps like putty or ntfs-config.. not just a firefox issue
[21:37] <bionicle> I need a way to tell the bloody OS I have a compaq monitor, I think.
[21:37] <yofel> bionicle: ignore me -.-
[21:37] <Laeborg> should i choose ext4 ?
[21:37] <Mousey> BluesKaj: that article assumes you're already running KDE
[21:38] <Mousey> BluesKaj: no worries, i'll just go with what others in here have said, and upgrade ubuntu->kubuntu with the kubuntu-alternate CD. thanks
[21:38] <kubuntuser> Laeborg: the party line is yes. I do not know of anything bad about it now.
[21:38] <amik> Mousey: if you're gonna switch desktop environments, along with all their built in apps, why not install a fresh copy? do u need all the old baggage there?
[21:38] <kubuntuser> Laeborg: I am going to wait another release cycle, but I do not know of anything recently that could cause a problem
[21:38] <allee-k_> Laeborg: I'm happy with ext4, but if you're in doubt use ext3.
[21:39] <Laeborg> okay, i will give it a try. Have always used ext3
[21:39] <Mousey> amik: actually i'm not really that afraid of package management, and have no problem keeping gnome on there as well.. just curious if there was an established upgrade path from one *ubuntu to another *ubuntu
[21:39] <BluesKaj> Mousey, ok good , was trying to find a method over the net
[21:39] <kubuntuser> Laeborg: I am just paranoid of ext4 :-P
[21:39] <claydoh> Mousey: you can't really upgrade from Ubuntu Jaunnty directly to Kubuntu Karmic, you should upgrade to karmic, then just install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' this will pull in all the kubuntu bits
[21:40] <Mousey> claydoh: thats what i was afraid was the answer =/
[21:40] <amik> Mousey: or first install jaunty kubuntu-desktop, and then upgrade to karmic from there
[21:40] <Mousey> amik: that's a gooder approach.
[21:40] <amik> in any case, you're trying to do two things: switch desktops, and upgrade release, so you'll need to take two steps...
[21:40] <claydoh> its basically the same thjing :)
[21:41] <amik> actually it's not the same - upgrading first will probably be quicker
[21:41] <aapzak> goodday all
[21:41] <amik> because it's gonna update the gnome stuff anyway, so might as well install kubuntu-desktop after it's done upgrading the version...
[21:41] <Mousey> its not unthinkable that i nuke and pave anyway. except stupid dell doesn't know how to partition a /home dir onto its own partition
[21:42] <Mousey> its for my wife, so i'm mostly interested in not disturbing her /home dir
[21:42] <allee-k_> hi aapzak
[21:43] <amik> Mousey: and u want to confuse her with two desktops? why not just make dual boot with windows and get her to a shelter?
[21:43] <Mousey> windows?? there's no excuse for domestic violence
[21:43] <Mousey> she hasn't used windows for years
[21:43] <amik> hehe
[21:43] <amik> so treat her with a fresh install
[21:43] <Mousey> just might
[21:44] <amik> EagleScreen: usb-creator starts and then dies after a few seconds (before any gui is shown) :-(
[21:44] <kubuntuser> Mousey: and if you can, I would separate the /home in another partition
[21:44] <Mousey> kubuntuser: don't i know it sister
[21:45] <kubuntuser> Mousey: huh?
[21:45] <Mousey> you've all been very helpful. thanks
[21:45] <Mousey> ^_^
[21:45] <asdzxc> hi
[21:45] <asdzxc> i just upgraded to 9.10 and have problem with mouse
[21:45] <asdzxc> USB mouse
[21:45] <kubuntuser> !hi | asdzxc
[21:46] <asdzxc> mouse is starting to work only after about 1 minute after login
[21:46] <amik> so, how do I make a karmic usb netbook startup gizmo from a jaunty?
[21:46] <kubuntuser> asdzxc: I know of someone else who had that problem. Is it a netbook?
[21:47] <asdzxc> kubuntuser: no, it's normal desktop PC
[21:48] <kubuntuser> asdzxc: try to look for a bug like it. You may find some info. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/378818
[21:48] <allee-k_> asdzxc: you mean: hotkeys like alt-f2,  alt-tab, ctrl-F12 work. But mouse cursor is impossible to move in the first minite?    Mouse cursor work on login screen?
[21:49] <firefly_> hey guise
[21:49] <kubuntuser> !hi | firefly_
[21:49] <kubuntuser> :-)
[21:49] <asdzxc> allee-k_: yes, exaclt as you said. wait a sec, i will try it on login screen (i didn't notice it there). i will be right back
[21:49] <amik> how do I make a karmic usb netbook startup gizmo from a jaunty? create-usb fails to start ("ImportError: No module named gnomevfs")
[21:51] <RussellAlan> Can anyone assist me real quick? http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/304585/
[21:51] <aapzak> I was wondering, what's your favorite browser? I like arora a lot but it lacks java applet support
[21:52] <peyote> Hi since the new version the graphics are broken the taskbar at the bottom is only black with some distortions.. same goes for the frames of the windows. Card is an older (5y) Ati mobility
[21:52] <peyote> worked with 9.03
[21:52] <kubuntuser> aapzak: firefox :-)
[21:52] <peyote> worked with 9.04
[21:52] <kubuntuser> aapzak: I also like uzbl
[21:52] <allee-k_> RussellAlan: use instead: update-notifier-kde  -u
[21:53] <aapzak> uzbl? qt or kde based?
[21:53] <aapzak> webkit or other engine?
[21:53] <kubuntuser> aapzak: I would not use it if I were you ;-)
[21:53] <aapzak> :)
[21:53] <kubuntuser> aapzak: I suggest firefox
[21:54] <RussellAlan> allee-k_:  update-notifier-kde is already the newest version.n0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.n
[21:54] <aapzak> there is rekonq
[21:54] <Tscheesy> peyote: may you should delete the old Plasma-Config-Files in ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* or try a new Guest-User first
[21:54] <kubuntuser> aapzak: rekonq?
[21:54] <aapzak> konqueror with webkit
[21:54] <gigasoft> how to make audio calls with aMSN?
[21:54] <aapzak> dooble
[21:54] <replman> i upgraded my kubuntu, but now after login the screen gets faded out to black and stays black. Only the mouse is visible...
[21:54] <peyote> Tscheesy: I installed from scratch
[21:55] <aapzak> me too
[21:55] <aapzak> fresh kubuntu 32bits install
[21:55] <amik> replman: that sounds like what happens on my second monitor when I login (the first one being functional) - do u have dual-monitor?
[21:55] <Laeborg> anyone tried the 64bits install ?
[21:55] <asdzxc> allee-k_: i'm here, so, mouse is NOT working also on login screen. i also noticed, it starts to work few seconds after i push the 'Tune' button on it
[21:55] <replman> amik: yes
[21:55] <amik> Laeborg: 64 in virtualbox, if it counts
[21:55] <asdzxc> allee-k_: it even doesn't flash the light
[21:56] <allee-k_> RussellAlan:  don't try to install it. instead run the command,
[21:56] <RussellAlan> okay.
[21:56] <asdzxc> allee-k_: it seems to me that kernel module isn't loaded on boot time or something like that and it's loaded only after i push that button on mouse
[21:56] <replman> amik: how to solve?
[21:56] <amik> replman: so maybe the order of screens is wrong or something? do u have a right click on the desktop? or the little cashew thing?
[21:56] <replman> amik: edit xorg.conf? :-)
[21:56] <RussellAlan> i frogt to type -u, how can i cancel action?
[21:56] <amik> replman: I use nvidia-settings (if u have nvidia card), it's quite friendlier
[21:57] <Tscheesy> peyote:  so then i'd go for the ATI - but i do not have experiances on this
[21:57] <replman> amik: right-click doesn't work. But i can open programs with ALT+F2
[21:57] <amik> replman: what does ur other monitor show?
[21:57] <RussellAlan> thank you allee-k_
[21:57] <replman> both show black
[21:57] <replman> nvidia-settings seems to be right
[21:58] <asdzxc> allee-k_: how can i force one module to load on boot ?
[21:58] <asdzxc> allee-k_: i think i need  usbhid
[21:58] <allee-k_> asdzxc: have a look at the bug 378818 as kubuntuser
[21:58] <amik> replman: maybe ur desktop is screwed up (as if u removed all components)... u can try creating a new user (just for the test), or renaming ~/.kde to ~/.kde (outside of kde) and logging in so it will recreate .kde settings folder
[21:58] <kubuntuser> allee-k_: huh?
[21:59] <allee-k_> asdzxc: at it to /etc/modules
[21:59] <amik> replman: oops, I meant to ~/.kde.bak
[21:59] <allee-k_> kubuntuser: [22:48] <kubuntuser> asdzxc: try to look for a bug like it. You may find some info. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/378818
[21:59] <carmelita> hi, I have a 64 bit Phenom X2 and I'm not sure if I should try the 64 bit version of kubuntu. Can someone please tell me if flash already works natively? And if there are still big issues with sound cards? Last time I tried, I was so frustrated, I had to reinstall Kubuntu as 32 bit.
[22:00] <kubuntuser> allee-k_: ah, forgot XD
[22:00] <gigasoft> how to make voice calls from aMSN
[22:00] <replman> amik: ok, i will try, thank you. cu!
[22:00] <mikehh> I installed Karmic beta when it came out and have kept up to date - is there any difference with the release today?
[22:00] <ulysses__> mikehh: no, there isn't
[22:00] <kubuntuser> mikehh: you are good ;-)
[22:01] <ulysses__> carmelita: I use kubuntu 64 bit, flash downloaded from Adobe, it works well
[22:01] <allee-k_> carmelita: flash works fine here.  Only rarely sometimes when jumping forward in youtube I have to pause/resume to keep flash running
[22:01] <Tscheesy> carmelita: Flash works fine here since Hardy on 64bit - IntelSoundcards i had some Issues but not anymre
[22:01] <carmelita> And what about skype?
[22:01] <amik> carmelita: I'm on 64, sound is good (though drivers may vary), flash works but has little annoyances, like having to restart Firefox once in a while to make flash continue working
[22:02] <allee-k_> carmelita: skype is fine (on my mostly intel hardware)
[22:02] <drakon> Hello =3
[22:02] <carmelita> Thanks all for replying! ;-)
[22:02] <drakon> ummm >< looking for some help
[22:02] <amik> carmelita: haven't tried lately, but iirc there were no problems there (nvidia chipset)
[22:02] <carmelita> So all in all, the only annoyance by using 64 bit Kubuntu is the but in flash? Does it bring a big performance benefit?
[22:03] <drakon> just got Kubuntu 9.10 >< and i can't seem to get firefox to install does anyone know why I can't install it?
[22:03] <amik> carmelita: the flash thing I have, but others haven't come across, so u might get lucky
[22:03] <Tscheesy> drakon: in Apps - Internet - Choose the FF-Installer
[22:03] <allee-k_> carmelita: if you have less that 4 GB RAM you'll have no benefit
[22:03] <replman> amik: ok, now the taskbar is there, but the background is black (ok?) and at the top of the left screen there is a destroyed graphics...maybe 30px height
[22:03] <amik> carmelita: I haven't benchmarked, and don't really know performance difference... but it works, so it's probably a bit better than if it was 32 :-)
[22:03] <carmelita> amik: Which version of ubuntu are you using?
[22:04] <amik> carmelita: jaunty, and now experimenting with karmic in a vbox - should only be better :-)
[22:04] <carmelita> allee-k_: I'm just going to get a new Phenom II X2 with 4 GB in Ram. Do you think it will be much faster with 62 bits, or nearly the same?
[22:04] <ulysses__> drakon: if firefox installer don't work, open Konsole, and type: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox-3.5
[22:04] <drakon> Thank you =]
[22:05] <amik> replman: and a right click or cashew?
[22:05] <replman> and if i klick the start--menu it appears at the top left
[22:06] <allee-k_> carmelita: more of less the same performance.  With 32bit you see  ~ 3.3 - 3.6 GB with 64bit you get 4GB.
[22:06] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[22:06] <ChocolateJesusMa> whoa
[22:06] <gigasoft> how to make voice calls from aMSN, any help?
[22:07] <eugenpc> oo
[22:07] <ChocolateJesusMa> whoa hows everbody in linux land doing
[22:07] <carmelita> amik: I'm not a big gamer, but my father likes to play chess. But where is the tradeoff? I mean what are the advantages?
[22:07] <allee-k_> carmelita: 64bit has nothing to do with performance boost.  32bit run into it's limit at 4GB with 64bit you have not
[22:08] <replman> amik: Oh, the stuff at the top...there is the network-manager and also the clock etc.
[22:08] <amik> replman: it's the little kde4 configuration icon image, which looks like a cashew in a bubble or something. not sure what it's supposed to be.
[22:08] <amik> carmelita: chess doesn't fall under 'gamer' :-)
[22:08] <Luggage> well that was interesting :)
[22:08] <Luggage> lol amik
[22:08] <allee-k_> have to go.   Enjoy karmic!!!!!  bye.
[22:08] <Laeborg> 9.10 is much faster booted :D
[22:08] <carmelita> amik: So if I have 4 GB in RAM, then I'm fine with 32 bit, right?
[22:09] <carmelita> amik: I will get no benefit
[22:09] <carmelita> amik: from 64
[22:09] <allee-k_> carmelita: yes
[22:09] <carmelita> allee-k_: Thanks!
[22:09] <amik> carmelita: I play chess to, and watch youtube, and HD movies, and all. really the only annoyance is the firefox flash thing, and it's not that bad. performance is probably better on 64. I have 4 gigs too.
[22:09] <carmelita> amik: Thanks!!
[22:10] <amik> carmelita: hmmm... dunno actually. in windows there's a 2gb per process limit in 32, but not sure there is one in linux. anyone?
[22:10] <Luggage> i dout that limit
[22:10] <Luggage> when I load up one of my more complex 3d max scenes in 3d max max uses 2500 mb more or less
[22:10] <carmelita> Thanks for your help, my mother watches a lot of flash videos, so I'll go with the 32 bit!! Thanks a lot for your help guys!! I'm very happy thet my borther showed me how to chat here!! ;-)
[22:10] <amik> Luggage: is it a 4g limit? can't see how u can address outside the range...
[22:10] <Luggage> for its 1 process (xp pro 32bit
[22:10] <RussellAlan> allee-k_:  http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/304607/
[22:11] <replman> amik: http://img442.imageshack.us/i/strange.png/
[22:11] <Luggage> yes the 4gb limit is true
[22:11] <amik> carmelita: good luck :-)
[22:11] <carmelita> C U !!!!
[22:11] <Luggage> but the 2gb per process I doubt since i wouldn be able to open my more complex max scenes
[22:11] <carmelita> amik: Thanks a lot!!!
[22:11] <amik> replman: yep. that doesn't look right.
[22:11] <Luggage> unless windows doesn show used ram correctly
[22:12] <replman> so what to do?
[22:12] <amik> replman: maybe display drivers, or desktop effects (compositing)... what graphics card do u have?
[22:12] <replman> nvidia 7300GT
[22:12] <amik> and which drivers installed?
[22:13] <replman> "nvidia"
[22:13] <asdzxc> allee-k_: kubuntuser ok, i was able to resolve the problem by adding usbhid to /etc/modules
[22:14] <amik> do u know which version? can u open hardware manager? u see it there marked with green light?
[22:14] <asdzxc> now it's working but i have another problem: no sound :(
[22:14] <asdzxc> sound is keeping muted and i cannot unmute it
[22:15] <drakon> xD can anyone help me install firefox
[22:15] <amik> drakon: on karmic?
[22:15] <replman> amik: you mean "Hardware Drivers"?
[22:15] <drakon> yes
[22:15] <amik> replman: I suppose
[22:15] <Luggage> konsole -> sudo apt-get install firefox drakon
[22:15] <Laeborg> can the network manager in 9.10 connect to wifi with hidden ssid ?
[22:16] <amik> drakon: there's a 'install firefox' icon in the menus, just click it
[22:16] <replman> amik: it says "Version 185"
[22:16] <millun> hi
[22:16] <Luggage> or use package manager, think its in system in kick menu
[22:16] <MidMark> Laeborg: no, kubuntu 9.10 cannot connect to hidden ssid, see known issues
[22:16] <kubuntuser>  Laeborg: connect to "other network"
[22:16] <amik> replman: makred with green light?
[22:16] <replman> yes
[22:16] <Luggage> MidMark:  can 9.04 do that?
[22:16] <kubuntuser> MidMark: oh, didn't know that
[22:16] <millun> anybody got a solution for "session locked" problem (even if you type the correct password) ?
[22:17] <millun> i always killall krunner_lock
[22:17] <drakon> amik the FF installer doesn't work for me
[22:17] <amik> drakon: what happens?
[22:18] <Luggage> Installed 9.04 toay at my moms place on an old pc, got wifi running using ndwiswrapper and driver for my marvell based nic there, but didn success in connecting to the network, blamed it on no easy way to connect/disconnect wifi networks (eg balmed it on my lack of konsole knowledge)
[22:18] <Luggage> ow gd that was bad lol
[22:18] <drakon> it tells me "requested packages are aready installed"
[22:18] <MidMark> Laeborg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/422174
[22:18] <Laeborg> MidMark, wicd can, right ?
[22:18] <amik> replman: it's a long shot (running out of ideas), but maybe disable it, restart, and then enable it again?
[22:19] <amik> drakon: and u don't see firefox in the menu? under 'internet'?
[22:19] <drakon> No its not there
[22:19] <replman> amik: Ok, i can try a little bit on my own. Thought that more people have this issue and know the solution. Maybe i should switch to nv for testing. thanks
[22:19] <BluesKaj> firefox installer
[22:20] <amik> replman: I used to have similar corruptions in intrepid, but since then it's been fine
[22:20] <amik> drakon: how about from a command line, type 'sudo apt-get install firefox' - what does it say?
[22:21] <amik> replman: sorry I couldn't help more :-(
[22:21] <replman> amik: No Problem, thanks for trying :-)
[22:22] <drakon> amik it tells me "pPackage firefox has no installation candidate
[22:23] <ubox> drakon why not use kpackagekit?
[22:23] <ubox> then search
[22:23] <amik> ubox: if he doesn't have package firefox, something seems off...
[22:24] <ubox> has he updated the cache?
[22:24] <amik> drakon: try 'sudo apt-get update' and then again the previous one
[22:25] <asdzxc> i have problems with sound on Karmic: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[22:25]  * BluesKaj wonders about enabled repos
[22:25] <drakon> Okay thank you
[22:25] <amik> BluesKaj: yep, that's the next step
[22:25] <amik> can someone help me get usb-creator to work in jaunty so that I can karmatize the netbook?
[22:26] <EagleScreen> amik: any problem?
[22:26] <ulysses__> amik: install python-gnome2 package
[22:26] <ulysses__> usb-creator depends on it, but it isn't installed as dependency
[22:26] <amik> I tried to install usb-creator, but I think the dependencies are messed up
[22:27] <EagleScreen> doesn't 'sudo aptitude -R install usba-creator' install it?
[22:27] <EagleScreen> *usb-creator
[22:27] <amik> how does that translate to apt-get?
[22:28] <EagleScreen> install usb-creator only with dependencies, and not with recommended packages
[22:28] <EagleScreen> amik: any error launching usb-creator?
[22:29] <amik> ya, missing import gnomevfs
[22:29] <amik> I think the package doesn't properly specify dependnecies or somethings
[22:29] <amik> shall I try python-gnome2 package?
[22:29] <EagleScreen> amik: do you know a secret? you can pass your .iso image on to your usb-stick without usb-creator, but you have to use all the usb-stick for it
[22:30] <ulysses__> python-gnome2 is dependency of usb-creator, but isn't installed with it
[22:30] <EagleScreen> amik: install it
[22:30] <jad> BluesKaj: all are enabled on a clean install
[22:30] <Khronos> I accidentally deleted konsole in karmic in my system menu in the kde start menu bar, how do I fix it?
[22:31] <amik> EagleScreen: I used to fiddle with dd stuff, but I was always afraid of overwriting my whole hd or something :-)
[22:31] <Khronos> I also want to make it so my settings for stuff like that is either permanent, or fixed up at every reboot
[22:31] <EagleScreen> Khronos: right click on K-Menu -> Menu editor
[22:31] <Khronos> so it doesn't happen again
[22:31] <amik> EagleScreen: I'm not ashamed to prefer a simple user-friendly gui
[22:31] <jad> Khronos: You removed Konsole or just the entry from Kmenu
[22:31] <Khronos> just the entry
[22:31] <jad> Khronos: Right click and endit menu
[22:31] <jad> edit
[22:32] <amik> drakon: any progress?
[22:32] <EagleScreen> amik: your current jaunty is going to be replaces by Karmic netbook?
[22:32] <amik> no, the desktop is jaunty, to probably be freshly installed with karmic in a month or so. the karmic is for the netbook, currently winxp
[22:33] <gnac__> how would I update my 9.10 RC install to the 9.10 release?
[22:33] <EagleScreen> gnac__: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[22:33] <EagleScreen> amik: what about installing usb-creator-kde in jaunty?
[22:34] <gnac_> EagleScreen: ty
[22:34] <amik> ulysses__, EagleScreen: usb creator seems to feel better, thanks guys
[22:34] <ign0ramus> hey all.
[22:36] <amik> EagleScreen: I asked about it earlier, and was told it's not available in jaunty (it's not in the repos, afaict)
[22:36] <EagleScreen> that is true
[22:36] <gnac_> interesting, no changes/installs/updates.  Guess the rc was pretty complete.
[22:37] <EagleScreen> but it is not all the truth
[22:37] <jad> gnac_: I'd doubt they would change anything
[22:37] <jad> THey would note it in the release notes and fix it later
[22:37] <jad> It's more important that it ships at a particular hour/day than things get addressed
[22:37] <EagleScreen> gnac_: it is impossible unless you have been aplying regular updates in your RC in the last days
[22:39] <EagleScreen> amik: if your usb-creator (Gtk) cannot run, even having python-gnome2 installed, lets try to isntall usb-creator-kde in your jaunty
[22:43] <ubox> amik: could you not write an image of the install cd to your usb stick without the software?
[22:45] <ubox> amik: using syslinux you can prepare your usb stick to be bootable
[22:45] <ubox> then mount the iso and copy the files from it to the stick filesystem
[22:46] <ubox> see here http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Install_from_USB_drive
[22:46] <ubox> this way is without syslinux but it will work
[22:50] <ubox> hey does anyone know how to turn off desktop switch via mouse wheel
[22:50] <ubox> ?
[22:51] <amik> ubox, EagleScreen: I used to do the whole syslinux shtick, but it wasn't all that fun. I prefer a simple gui with a button to do it all, and spend my time writing code, fixing bugs (like my ktorrent plasmoid?), playing with karmic...
[22:51] <amik> ubox, EagleScreen: anyway, usb-creator is working now. python-gnome2 was missing, but now it's ok.
[22:51] <ubox> oh ok, well good :)
[22:52] <ubox> do you know how to disable that scrolling switch amik?
[22:52] <amik> ubox: which scrolling switch?
[22:53] <ubox> when the mouse is over desktop in karmic, it switches virtuals when you scroll
[22:53] <ubox> as i use a laptop i accidentaly scroll often
[22:54] <amik> ubox: it used to annoy me, until the fade-out effect. now it looks relaxing, even though I never intentionally use it :-)
[22:54] <ubox> yea, i just want it gone. i use the cube and panels
[22:55] <ubox> i have never really had a need to switch quickly
[22:55] <ubox> apparently there was an option in the last kde
[22:55] <jad> ubox: You have a need to switch slowly ? :-D
[22:55] <ubox> yep :)
[22:56] <amik> ubox: yeah, it used to be there, dunno where it is now, I'm looking for it too...
[22:58] <ubox> i'm not sure what it's even technically refered to, not sure what to google lol
[23:03] <amik> usb-creator doesn't format the usb stick... any way to do that in, say, dolphin?
[23:05] <ubox> there is a format button
[23:06] <Laeborg> I can't install the plugins to konqueror or install mozilla firefox
[23:06] <amik> where?
[23:06] <Luggage> hmm my 9.04 does the scrolling between desktops to with mouse scroll on empty desktop area
[23:06] <Luggage> if you figure out where to turn it off please let me know :)
[23:06] <Luggage> looking here as well
[23:06] <ubox> right below the window showing the usb devices, on the right side
[23:07] <jad> Laeborg: What have you tried ?
[23:07] <amik> ubox: u talking about usb-creator?
[23:07] <Laeborg> jad, runned the installer
[23:07] <ubox> yep, but don't use it. it 'worked' now my usb stick doesn't mount
[23:08] <Laeborg> kubuntu-firefox-installer
[23:08] <jad> Laeborg: restarted konqueror ?
[23:08] <jad> Oh that one
[23:08] <Laeborg> "Requested packages are already installed"
[23:08] <amik> ubox: there is no such button... maube in usb-creator-kde, which I can't use.
[23:08] <Laeborg> same if I try to install the plugins to konqueror.
[23:08] <amik> Laeborg: another dude just had that problem... do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install firefox, it worked for him
[23:09] <Laeborg> okay will try that. thank you :)
[23:09] <ubox> yes, amik, usb-creator-kde
[23:09] <amik> ubox: there no such thing in jaunty, so I'm using usb-creator, and there's no format button...
[23:10] <ubox> try getting the partition manager, sudo apt-get install partitionmanager
[23:11] <amik> what's partitionmanager? I always used gparted or qtparted
[23:11] <melvster1> hi all is installing 9.04 (jaunty) fresh then upgrading to koala roughly the same as installing koala fresh?
[23:11] <laeborg_> http://pastebin.com/m771e8d06
[23:11] <Laeborg> when i run the apt-get update
[23:12] <amik> what's the standard for 2g usb stick, fat32?
[23:12] <ubox> just a gui partition program in kde
[23:12] <ubox> yep
[23:12] <ubox> fat32 is the norm for usb sticks
[23:12] <amik> error: unrecognised disk label. wtf?
[23:13] <ubox> what is giving you an error amik?
[23:13] <amik> gparted. I'll play with it some more, until I can get it to format
[23:14] <|gs3irc|> so i updated from to 9.10 today. wicd (my preferred network manager) is gone, replaced by something new. I don't know how to make this new thing connect to my wired network. can anyone walk me through it?
[23:14] <dansushi> i'm trying to install kubuntu right now, and i seem to only be able to make 4 partitions. When I try to make a 5th, it says that it is unusuable. What is going on?
[23:14] <|gs3irc|> i just need to connect to my router over a regular ethernet line via dhcp
[23:15] <jad> dansushi: You need to make a Logical parition
[23:15] <jad> hard drives have a "logical" builtin 4 partition oimit
[23:15] <jad> limit
[23:15] <dansushi> jad: oh.. ok
[23:15] <dansushi> thanks
[23:16] <jad> dansushi: Make an extended partition and you can put as many paritions in there as you like
[23:16] <dansushi> ok
[23:16] <jad> well actually you can only do 256 of those but I think you will manage :)
[23:17] <dansushi> lol, yeah, i'll be good
[23:19] <kebomix> hello , where can i download my ATI card driver for kubuntu 9.10 ?
[23:20] <jad> !ati | kebomix
[23:23] <|gs3irc|> so i updated from to 9.10 today. wicd (my preferred network manager) is gone, replaced by something new. I don't know how to make this new thing connect to my wired network. can anyone walk me through it? all i need is a simple wired connection to my router with dhcp.
[23:23] <EagleScreen> restricted drivers management has changed a little in 9.10
[23:24] <EagleScreen> |gs3irc|: you shouldn't have any porblem doing it
[23:24] <User_> hello room, I'm running adept update and during the kernel update a popup appeared stating that "a new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is avalable but eh version installed currently has been locally  modified" and it gives me options, which option should I choose?
[23:24] <EagleScreen> User_: replace
[23:25] <|gs3irc|> EagleScreen:  well i opened up 'manage connections', went to the 'wired' tab, and created a new connection with default options. how do i make it connect though? it says that it's never been used.
[23:25] <User_> EagleScreen: so that would be "install the package maintainers version"?
[23:26] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: you could just install wicd again ;)
[23:26] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: i need an internet connection to download it with...
[23:27] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: sudo ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[23:27] <EagleScreen> yes, User_
[23:27] <User_> ok thanks EagleScreen
[23:27] <EagleScreen> |gs3irc|: the better for a dhcp ethernet is networkmanager with any configuration
[23:28] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: and add this to your repository ;) :     deb http://apt.wicd.net jaunty extras
[23:28] <EagleScreen> |gs3irc|: please pastebin the output of "dmesg | grep eth"
[23:29] <|gs3irc|> EagleScreen:  how? the machine doesn't have any network connectivity
[23:29] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: i can't download anything without a working connection
[23:29] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: have you done the ifconfig thing I showed you?
[23:30] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: yes. i replaced the x's with a valid ip. i then tried to ping google.com and got "network is unreachable"
[23:30] <EagleScreen> he uses dhcp, so it shoud be: sudo ifconfig eth0
[23:30] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[23:30] <sploit_> and then
[23:30] <sploit_> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[23:31] <EagleScreen> it looks good
[23:31] <sploit_> EagleScreen: it usually works better if you take a static adress when doing it from command line
[23:31] <amik> so if I install the netbook version, and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, will they both appear in the login menu, with choice per session?
[23:32] <EagleScreen> amik: good question
[23:32] <sploit_> amik: why shouldn't it?
[23:32] <amik> sploit_: dunno, why should it?
[23:32] <amik> maybe I can will it to be so!
[23:32] <|gs3irc|> EagleScreen, sploit_: i've got what looks like a valid IP now, but i still can't ping anything
[23:33] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: ping your router
[23:33] <sploit_> could be you have no dns servers configured
[23:33] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: my router is wirelessly bridged with a wider LAN
[23:33] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: but i'll try pinging this machine
[23:33] <sploit_> :)
[23:33] <EagleScreen> amik: you cannot choose
[23:33] <sploit_> you read my mind |gs3irc|
[23:34] <amik> EagleScreen: there can be only one?
[23:34] <EagleScreen> yes
[23:34] <|gs3irc|> okay, i can ping over the network to the machine i'm on right now... is there a way to refresh the dns servers?
[23:34] <EagleScreen> you may do it for 10.04
[23:35] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: nano /etc/resolv.conf
[23:35] <sploit_> add nameservers there
[23:35] <amik> EagleScreen: and if I want to try the other, I need to reinstall the whole thing? or one desktop package uninstalls the other?
[23:35] <EagleScreen> let me see
[23:35] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: like this: nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[23:35] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: yeah, there are a pair of nameservers listed
[23:36] <Roey> hi
[23:36] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: ping one of those nameservers
[23:36] <amik> EagleScreen: see? r u trashing ur system on my behalf? or vboxing?
[23:37] <EagleScreen> neither of them
[23:37] <Roey> I tried installing kubuntu (20091027 dailbuild) 64-bit and on startup it says it cannot find my / (which is on /dev/md1).  Instead, it dumps me to busybox.  I checked out /dev/md* and found that there weren't any listed... I did have the raid45 kernel module loaded (I have / and /boot on softraid1 partitions between two drives).   Anyway, like I said, the /dve/md* devices don't appear to be there at bootup.  How can I
[23:37] <Roey>  fix this?
[23:38] <laeborg_> http://pastebin.com/m771e8d06 - can anyone help me? (have removed http://)
[23:38] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: yeah, they respond as expected
[23:38] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: dig google.com
[23:39] <EagleScreen> amik: you may can switch between default and netbook
[23:39] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: are those nameservers local or remote addresses?
[23:39] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: i've never seen output like that before... what am i looking at?
[23:39] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: same LAN as me
[23:39] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: you have output, you have internet ;)
[23:40] <amik> switch how? and install how?
[23:40] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: so i just can't ping or view webpages? wth
[23:40] <sploit_> if dig google.com works
[23:40] <EagleScreen> amik: installing package: kubuntu-netbook
[23:40] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: well apt-get seems to be able to reach the package servers, so i'm going to reinstall wicd
[23:41] <Roey> icethanks
[23:41] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: kewl
[23:41] <sploit_> hope it solves your problem
[23:41] <sploit_> cuz i'm off to bed
[23:41] <amik> so kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-netbook? and switch how?
[23:41] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: le sigh, or not... "network is unreachable"
[23:41] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: download the wicked .deb
[23:42] <sploit_> transfer to other box
[23:42] <sploit_> manually install
[23:42] <EagleScreen> to switch you need to run a command, it may be: killall plasma-desktop && plasma-netbook
[23:42] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: will apt-get know that i installed it?
[23:42] <sploit_> sudo dpkg -i wicd.deb
[23:42] <sploit_> |gs3irc|: jeps
[23:43] <amik> EagleScreen: what's the difference between plasma-netbook and kubuntu-netbook?
[23:43] <|gs3irc|> sploit_: okay, will try. thanks for your help
[23:43] <sploit_> once you have a working connection add it to sources.list, so you get updates when needed ;)
[23:43] <sploit_> np
[23:43] <sploit_> nn all
[23:44] <amik> and why do all kubuntu-netbook dependencies look like games?
[23:45] <EagleScreen> the main difference between Kubuntu Desktop (default) and Kubuntu Netbook, is the kind of plasma you are running, netbook is a plasma adaptation made by KDE developers, it is still experimental and it is not oficcially part of KDE 4.3, but Kubuntu developers has patched KDE 4.3 to include the new-future plasma netbook mode
[23:46] <EagleScreen> I think it will be oficially part of KDE 4.4
[23:46] <amik> so plasma-netbook is the core gooey, and kubuntu-netbook adds games which apparently are a must on netbooks, and not worthy of a desktop?
[23:47] <EagleScreen> you can add a customize entry in KDM to launch KDE with plasma-netbook
[23:47] <amik> that would be nice, how?
[23:48] <EagleScreen> i have no time to explain it for you right now, read Internet, ask in forums etc..
[23:48] <amik> EagleScreen: sure, thanks :-)
[23:48] <EagleScreen> it is not very difficult
[23:49] <amik> EagleScreen: thanks to u I now understand more or less how the system and differences work... I'll take it from here. 10x!
[23:52] <PAgore> hey guyz, can you help me please, im a kubuntu noob, i installed kubuntu 9.10 1h ago
[23:53] <PAgore> can you say me how i can enable video thumbnails in dolphin?
[23:53] <Psymon_> and what happened?
[23:53] <PAgore> if i install mplayerhumbs
[23:53] <EagleScreen> sure PAgore
[23:53] <PAgore> ty :)
[23:53] <PAgore> mplayerhumbs make my CPU 100% and it still dont creats thumbs
[23:53] <EagleScreen> install mplayerthumbs and configure Dolphin to preview video files
[23:54] <PAgore> ah yes i made this google sad the same
[23:54] <francis_> hola se puede hablar en espanol?
[23:54] <Psymon_> QQ is there a desktop switch option for Kubuntu?
[23:54] <Psymon_> and if so where?
[23:54] <EagleScreen> Psymon_: it is a widget, look for it
[23:55] <amik> !es
[23:55] <Psymon_> EagleScreen_: champion, thanks
[23:56] <EagleScreen> PAgore: I go to Dolphin -> Settings -> General -> Previews -> Video files
[23:56] <PAgore> yes i made this 100% :(
[23:56] <PAgore> i even reinstalled this plugin more then 5x
[23:57] <PAgore> btw i know you eagle :) yesterday you gave me the tip with third pary programm :)
[23:57] <PAgore> do you remember? :)
[23:57] <PAgore> today i DL the new Kubuntu version 9.10 32bit :)
[23:57] <EagleScreen> yes
[23:57] <EagleScreen> the same i have
[23:57] <PAgore> but still i cant see thumb pff :)
[23:58] <PAgore> i have about 300 vids
[23:58] <EagleScreen> i am installing it right now
[23:58] <EagleScreen> :|
[23:58] <n4Tpu0T> i'm finished with the installation already! kubuntu rocks!!:-)
[23:58] <EagleScreen> server is overbuked
[23:58] <PAgore> hmm, ok, maybe you know an other plugin?
[23:59] <EagleScreen> it is suposed to be a plugin for kaffeine in place of mplayer, but i think it isn't in repositories