[00:00] <Kamilion> <.<
[00:00] <Kamilion> Hm... Rabbit sounds good for dinner.
[00:00]  * Kamilion considers posing a query if the software release has occured yet
[00:01]  * BUGabundo mouths Kamilion
[00:01] <Pici> !party
[00:01] <Pici> its not out
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Pici:  [[]]
[00:01] <Kamilion> LMFAO
[00:01] <Kamilion> Well, 5PM, time to go home.
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Pici:  hard day ahead enh?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> how many of this have you done pici ?
[00:02] <Pici> BUGabundo: Already been a hard day :/
[00:02] <Kamilion> I'll mirror the ISOs tomorrow once mirrors.kernel.org has synced
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:02] <skiwithpete> hi
[00:02] <BUGabundo> HAPPY B'DAY akgraner
[00:02] <BUGabundo> at least on my timezone
[00:02] <skiwithpete> I've installed from the RC and I'm having loads of browsing issues
[00:02] <skiwithpete> is this a known issue?
[00:02] <joaopinto> skiwithpete, define "loads of browsing issues"
[00:03] <joaopinto> is not a general issue, I don't have it
[00:03] <Pici> Internet browsing?
[00:03] <skiwithpete> yeah, internet browsing
[00:03] <skiwithpete> defined:  I surf www.yahoo.com and it connects to google.com
[00:03] <BUGabundo> working fine here since day one
[00:04] <skiwithpete> when I first installed the system, I couldn't connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:04] <skiwithpete> I came online shortly after installing RC and someone gave me this to put in
[00:04] <skiwithpete> echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" |sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
[00:04] <skiwithpete> that has resolved the issues temporarily
[00:05] <akgraner> BUGabundo, Thank You!!
[00:05] <skiwithpete> but resolv.conf is re-written on reboot
[00:05] <BUGabundo> akgraner: my pleaser girl!
[00:05] <ShapeShifter499> how do I un-install a file manager without messing with another desktop evironment?
[00:05] <ShapeShifter499> *environment
[00:06] <skiwithpete> does taht define "problems browsing"?
[00:06] <skiwithpete> no one else eh?
[00:06] <Pici> skiwithpete: If take a look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf there is commented line that says prepend domain-name-servers , please uncomment that and change 127.0.0.1 to either 208.67.222.222 or the IP of your ISP's DNS server
[00:07] <ShapeShifter499> g2g
[00:07] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[00:07] <Pici> skiwithpete: That will have whatever IP you put there be put into resolv.conf after dhcp gets an address, so it won't lose it on boot.
[00:08] <skiwithpete> cheers,
[00:08] <skiwithpete> Pici, do i need to reboot for that to take effect?
[00:09] <Pici> skiwithpete: a sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart    should put it into effect, but you'll lose network access for a moment
[00:11] <skiwithpete> thanks for the help. would fresh installing from the Final have fixed this?  Or is this just my comp sucking?
[00:12] <localnnuser__> hows remastersys adapting lately with karmic?
[00:12] <localnnuser__> did any one tried it with lastest updates?
[00:12] <innomen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/462994 my empathy bug report
[00:12] <innomen> what?
[00:13] <joaopinto> innomen, you need to set it public after checking that there is no private info, if you are the bug owner
[00:13] <Pici> skiwithpete: Its your router not giving DNS in addition to an IP address when the request is made.
[00:13] <innomen> joaopinto, oh, doing that now
[00:13] <innomen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/462994 try now
[00:14] <skiwithpete> cheers pici
[00:14] <SpacePigeon> Where is the old sound configuration tool and the service manager??
[00:14] <SpacePigeon> Karmic has deleted them?
[00:15] <bjsnider> SpacePigeon, that's correct
[00:15] <SpacePigeon> bjsnider, can I install them?
[00:15] <SpacePigeon> bjsnider, you don't happen to know why, do you?
[00:16] <bjsnider> SpacePigeon, the alsa gui tool was not able to do as much as the new one, and the service manager doesn't apply since most services are now started by upstart
[00:16] <komputes> I was going to suggest one test before release. Can you test the desktop CD in "Install Ubuntu" & "Try ubuntu without making any changes" to make sure those two options look different. I just ran "Install Ubuntu" and it booted me into a desktop...
[00:16] <bjsnider> and no, you can't bring them back
[00:17] <SpacePigeon> bjsnider, oh m
[00:17] <SpacePigeon> y
[00:17] <SpacePigeon> bjsnider, if I don't want to use pulseaudio what could I use?
[00:18] <bjsnider> SpacePigeon, build oss4 from source. there's not really another option
[00:18] <bjsnider> pulseaudio is what we use
[00:18] <SpacePigeon> gaud
[00:19] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, what problem do you have ?
[00:19] <SpacePigeon> I thought one could use alsa.. alsa is only a pulseaudio plugin?
[00:19] <SpacePigeon> joaopinto, a guy in #telepathy told me that my empathy sound problems are due to pulseaudio
[00:19] <bjsnider> alsa is the low-level drivers used by pulseaudio
[00:19] <joaopinto> pulseaudio works on top of ALSA, it's not just a plugin, it's another layer
[00:20] <tag> bjsnider: So, I'm pretty keen on gnome-shell being built largely on top of spidermonkey.  What I'd like to see a clean way to extend it by adding code to my ~...is this just TBD or am I just missing it?
[00:20] <quentusrex_> Anyone know if Karmic server is ready enough to install before the rush?
[00:20] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, empathy has been tested with PA
[00:20] <Moa> Hiya... has anyone been having trouble with Intel graphics drivers and Karmic Koala? Supposedly they were supposed to have been fixed this time around, but I can't actually get 'em to work, despite my system detecting my card correctly.
[00:20] <quentusrex_> I want to go ahead and get my local proxy filled with the basics
[00:20] <SpacePigeon> joaopinto, do you have sound notification problems with empathy?
[00:20] <bjsnider> tag, i don't have any idea what you're talking about
[00:20] <SpacePigeon> joaopinto, in my computer sometimes they do sound, others they dont
[00:21] <bjsnider> to be frank
[00:21] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, no, I don't use empathy
[00:21] <tag> bjsnider: gnome-shell?  Weren't you in here talking about it indepthly earlier today?
[00:21] <SpacePigeon> joaopinto, you use pidgin I guess?
[00:21] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, yes
[00:21] <almoxarife> I have alsa as the default sound, pulse does not load, I have one issue with that setup, can't use the sound applet to control sound, but the gnome alsa mixer does the same, no pulse issues, because pulse is not loaded
[00:21] <bjsnider> tag, yes i was. what is spidermonkey?
[00:21] <Deathvalley122> ... still more bugs on Karmic?
[00:21] <tag> bjsnider: javascript
[00:21] <cwillu> Deathvalley122, you must be new to this 'software' thing
[00:22] <bjsnider> tag, well, call it javascript then
[00:22] <tag> bjsnider: spidermonkey is the implementation
[00:22] <Deathvalley122> no cwillu
[00:22] <cwillu> bjsnider, spidermonkey is the tracing javascript interpreter
[00:22] <bjsnider> tag, you mean you want to add plugins and such to it
[00:22] <Deathvalley122> I was reading peoples issues cwillu
[00:22] <cwillu> ah, k
[00:22] <tag> Yes, redefine the behavior of the window manager, etc...
[00:23] <bjsnider> tag, what i've read is that is all coming in the next 6 month devel cycle
[00:23] <LeoRochael> This is preposterous, I've been waiting for midnight on UK timezone instead of going to sleep just to wait for this release and the website has the audacity to say "coming soon"?! :-)
[00:23] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.con
[00:23] <joaopinto> f ; killall pulseaudio
[00:23] <bjsnider> tag, but if you go to irc.gnome.org and into the #gnome-shell channel, you can ask them yourself
[00:23] <tag> So it's not too late to weigh in a bit on how it happens?
[00:23] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, you will need to use alsamixer, the regular mixer depends on PA
[00:23] <tag> Great
[00:23] <SpacePigeon> joaopinto, but will that kill my system's sound?
[00:23] <SpacePigeon> oh ok
[00:23] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, that will just disable PA
[00:24] <SpacePigeon> is alsamixer good?
[00:24] <bjsnider> tag, but i'm not a hacker, so i ain't that guy to ax
[00:24] <bjsnider> i'm just a lowly, lowly IT guy
[00:24] <joaopinto> SpacePigeon, it's a console mode tool
[00:24] <tag> I'm not either, I'm just a guy who thinks software developers are all too lazy
[00:25] <bjsnider> tag, yes, you've made that amusingly clear
[00:25] <bjsnider> in the pithiest of pithy language
[00:25]  * cwillu reads the scrollback
[00:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu try that on release party
[00:25] <Deathvalley122> lol
[00:26] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I scroll that window, but the content doesn't change :p
[00:26] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[00:26] <BUGabundo> I see it in blocks of buffer
[00:27] <almoxarife> gnome-alsamixer 0.9.7 , gui for alsa mixer
[00:28] <Moa> A quick question: are Intel drivers borked yet again this time around? Supposedly they were fine in alpha, but a discussion I had in here earlier today led me to believe that's changed with the RC.
[00:28] <hardbop200> hi, I'm trying to find some doc on how to enable the grub menu in 9.10 (there doesn't seem to be /boot/grub/menu.lst)...can someone point me in the right direction?
[00:28] <bjsnider> Moa, benchmarks on phoronix say the drivers are definitely better
[00:28] <bjsnider> althought they could hardly have been any worse
[00:28] <joaopinto> !grub2 | hardbop200
[00:29] <cwillu> hardbop200, things have changed, although you can just hold "shift" down while booting (i.e., before ubuntu comes up) to get the grub menu
[00:29] <cwillu> Moa, intel's been fine for a while, hasn't gotten any worse that I've seen
[00:29] <hardbop200> thanks all for the pointers, I'll check it out.  the beta is really nice b/t/w!
[00:30] <Moa> Hmmm, I haven't been able to get my Intel drivers working at all, and I'll be damned if I know why. Even setting up my own Xorg.conf isn't doing it.
[00:31] <Moa> The drivers are installed, 9.10 sees my video card, and yet something's missing. Oh well, I'm sure a few days from now a solution oughta pop up on the forums.
[00:31] <cwillu> Moa, "the drivers are installed"?
[00:31] <cwillu> i.e., you installed something?
[00:32] <user2> I realize this is probably not quite the right place, but does a CSH guru have a moment to answer a question?
[00:32] <Moa> cwillu: No, no. I meant to say that the package is there, according to Synaptic. Installed by default with the rest of the system, so you'd figure that it would've detected it at launch.
[00:33] <cwillu> Moa, sudo apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:33] <bjsnider> Moa, which graphics chip is it?
[00:34] <damien> does anybody have /etc/fstab devices that aren't automounted at boot (like user mounted nfs) ?
[00:35] <damien> karmic has decided to have icons for them when they aren't mounted, but when i do mount them it doubles up on the items listed in Place in nautilus
[00:35] <damien> is there a way of getting it back to jaunty's behaviour?
[00:35] <bjsnider> damien, a lot of people have been complaining about that in here today
[00:35] <Moa> GMA 945, I believe. Can't post a log as I'm currently on my Macbook.
[00:35] <bjsnider> the 945 should be fine, i would think
[00:36]  * BUGabundo $ upstart BUGabundo down; upstart bed up; guud night guys and gals
[00:36] <damien> thanks bjsnider
[00:36] <damien> know of any headway being made?
[00:36] <damien> it's minor i admit
[00:36] <bjsnider> no, i haven't seen anyone doing anything about it
[00:36] <Lenin_Cat> weres the party?
[00:37] <Lenin_Cat> WERE IS THE PARTY
[00:37] <Moa> Yeah, I looked up the list of supported cards and it should be working like a charm. Go figure. I'll comb through the logs myself when I get back home.
[00:37] <bjsnider> Lenin_Cat, there's always a party somewhere
[00:37] <BUGabundo> Lenin_Cat: /topic
[00:37] <Byron> Is 9.10 readily available now?
[00:38] <Byron> er, 9.10 Final
[00:38] <damien> no
[00:38] <BenZ__> I need someone to point me in the right direction.  I installed the RC of 9.10 using the update manager of 9.04.  When I rebooted, it does get past the boot loader, but it seems the ramdisk(bootimage?) cannot find the UUID of the disk and it stops there.  I tried looking at the /dev directory and it seems like it is not recognising the partitions on my drive.  Any thoughts on what went wrong (or how I might go about fixing it)? 
[00:38] <Byron> Is there anything in particular I need to do so that I can the netbook version on my AAO?
[00:39] <darkham> nothing like mac automator on ubuntu?
[00:39] <Moa> darkham: Not really, no.
[00:40] <darkham> glade can't help me?
[00:40] <bjsnider> BenZ__, certain situations have arisen because of the upgrade to grub2. the numbering system of the disks changed from grub to grub2, so that has caused some issues.
[00:40] <LeoRochael> I keep reloading but the "coming soon" sign doesn't go away...
[00:40] <LeoRochael> guess I'll have to sleep without downloading the new ubuntu...
[00:41] <cwillu> LeoRochael, it's not the 29th yet in many many placs
[00:41] <BenZ__> 6.5 more hours of the 28th here.
[00:41] <LeoRochael> what, they'll wait till it's 29th in Alaska?
[00:41] <hvgotcodes> when starting up my laptop today i thought i saw an error with mounting something -- where would i find the log of this?
[00:43] <PlainFlavored> when exactly does 9.10 come out in pacific time?
[00:43] <PlainFlavored> aka the time zone of the los angeles area
[00:43] <BenZ__> hvgotcodes- I'm not saying this is the right answer, but did you try typing in the command line, dmesg
[00:43] <joaopinto> PlainFlavored, there is no specific time
[00:43] <hvgotcodes> BenZ__, looking for just the boot log not kernel log
[00:43] <hvgotcodes> if there is a difference
[00:44] <Byron> PlainFlavored: I'm waiting on the same time zone.
[00:44] <BenZ__> hvgotcodes, I think it would have what you're looking for, but I could be wrong
[00:45] <joaopinto> hvgotcodes, do you have ntfs partitiions ?
[00:45] <BenZ__> hvgotcodes, depending on the version you're running, you might also find the info under /var/log/boot
[00:46] <kaddi> hi, there's a typo in the topic concerning the channel name for the release party. The " is superfluous
[00:46] <hvgotcodes> joaopinto, no
[00:46] <PlainFlavored> haha i didn't read the topic, whoops
[00:46] <hvgotcodes> BenZ__, nothing in there
[00:47] <hvgotcodes> all ext4,fresh karmic beta install
[00:47] <joaopinto> ok
[00:47] <BenZ__> hvgotcodes, if you want a nice graphical way of flipping through the logs try, gnome-system-log &
[00:48] <BenZ__> bjsnider, I thought the upgrade-manager doesn't upgrade grub to grub2 by default.  Was that not the case for the RC upgrade version?
[00:49] <bjsnider> BenZ__, i don't know since i clean installed, but you _are_ having a boot problem yes?
[00:52] <BenZ__> bjsnider, yes, it is a boot problem, but I beleive it's past the bootloader, now in the bootstrap image, and it's the bootstrap image that can't find the root partition.  (please forgive any noobishness, I'm a bit of a novice)
[00:52] <bjsnider> BenZ__, that sounds like the grub2 issue i was talking about
[00:53] <BenZ__> bjsnider, Okay, thank you for your help.  I'll fool around with it a bit more and see what I can find.
[00:53] <BenZ__> hvcodes, if dmesg and the other logs didn't get you what you were looking for, I'm at a loss.  Maybe someone else here has some insight?
[00:54] <BenZ__> I'll be back on later guys.  Thank you.
[00:54] <domjohnson> Goodnight all!
[00:54] <chunknuts> nie!
[00:55] <DanaG> ugh, syndaemon doesn't ignore arrow keys.
[00:55] <chunknuts> nite!
[00:55] <DanaG> So, I can't mouse around wile pressing arrow keys.
[00:56] <blaz_> hi! How to set up autologin to console? I used mingetty option in the past but there is no /etc/inittab anymore in Karmic
[00:56] <Deathvalley122> I am curoous will Karmic support my 5.1 sound card cause in Jaunty it doesn't ...
[00:57] <micahg> is anyone having trouble with apt-pinning in karmic?
[01:03] <hipitihop> ebb: you were right just 2 hours out
[01:03] <ebb> =o
[01:04] <hipitihop> ebb: sorry, damn keyboard 12
[01:04] <ebb> 2:00 am lol?
[01:04] <ebb> awww
[01:08] <nekohayo> anyone able to use gtk-recordmydesktop in karmic?
[01:08] <nekohayo> seems to produce ~0.5 or 1 fps output for me
[01:11] <SpacePigeon> let me see
[01:12] <nekohayo> (set it to 30fps, tried with or without compiz, using intel drivers)
[01:12] <SpacePigeon> did you encode on the fly?
[01:12] <JanC> lol, very calm here, now  :P
[01:12] <nekohayo> SpacePigeon, nah, there's the encoding dialog at the end
[01:12] <popey> nekohayo: yup
[01:13] <nekohayo> popey, no problems on your end?
[01:13] <popey> nekohayo: what kind of problems?
[01:13] <nekohayo> well, ~1fps output
[01:13] <SpacePigeon> let me see
[01:14] <SpacePigeon> (could be your video card not being able to support it
[01:14] <nekohayo> would be strange, as it used to work
[01:14] <SpacePigeon> well, mine worked haha
[01:14] <nekohayo> :|
[01:14] <nobody_> someone? spotify with wine, sound scrambled!!
[01:14] <SpacePigeon> besides not showing the red channel haha
[01:14] <nobody_> OSS works but i want ALSA to work
[01:18] <Wargasm> is there any way to change the startup sound in 9.10?
[01:18] <Wargasm> the sound dialog box was changed
[01:19] <nekohayo> Wargasm, I guess the only way is using a "sound theme"
[01:19] <Wargasm> hmm that sucks
[01:19] <nekohayo> such as ubuntustudio-sounds
[01:20] <Wargasm> ill be using "no sounds" theme lol
[01:20] <test34_> no sounds theme is a greate theme
[01:21] <Wargasm> yeah
[01:21] <Wargasm> but i would like to be able to have some sound
[01:21] <test34_> but it is strange that you can't change one sound..
[01:22] <Wargasm> i know, pre 9.10 you could change it
[01:26] <test34_> Wargasm, it looks like a bug has been filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/437429
[01:26] <jasmuz> Hello all.
[01:27] <jasmuz> I have a silly question: Im using Karmic, and it so seems that the GNOME bar no longer uses png files, is this true?
[01:31] <test34_> wargasm, you could overwrite sound files in /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo
[01:31] <jasmuz> I have a silly question: Im using Karmic, and it so seems that the GNOME bar no longer uses png files, is this true? Any takers?
[01:32] <JanC> jasmuz: what do you mean by GNOME bar?
[01:32] <daf_> is there a daily cdrom image of karmic that would basically be the closest to what will be released tomorrow?
[01:32] <jasmuz> JanC, The gnome panel itself
[01:32] <Wargasm> ill try that, test34_
[01:32] <daf_> amd64 btw
[01:33] <jasmuz> daf_, yes.. the daily builds
[01:33] <daf_> can you give me a link please jasmiz
[01:33] <daf_> thanks
[01:33] <jasmuz> daf_, wait a sec
[01:33] <daf_> jasmuz ^
[01:33] <daf_> ;)
[01:33] <JanC> jasmuz: the panel should still show icons, but some of the menus won't show many icons
[01:33] <test34_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:33] <daf_> thx
[01:34] <jasmuz> daf_, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:34] <HBX> i keep getting kernel crashes in karmic and it asks to send reports
[01:34] <jasmuz> JanC, uh?..
[01:35] <daf_> jasmus got it thx
[01:35] <test34_> Are karmic daily builds still going to be made after the final release?
[01:36] <jasmuz> test34_, think not... they get freezed right after it goes final.
[01:37] <daf_> I just tried the mini cd a few days ago and built up like I did jaunty but had major trouble with nvidia. Any tips on this. My problem was it would run really slow and sorta lock up. I did get the desktop and no problem logging in. It was just after the desktop came up and I ran it was really slow and then running compiz from terminal it just went crazy with windows hanging while moving etc...
[01:38] <daf_> I figured I would just try the regular image first to see.
[01:39] <jasmuz> daf_, did you check what drivers you were using?
[01:39] <daf_> I dled the latest from nvidia and tried 185 from repos
[01:39] <daf_> both had the same effect.
[01:41] <daf_> The latest on the website is 190.42
[01:41] <bjsnider> daf_, what graphics card is this?
[01:41] <daf_> 8400m
[01:41] <daf_> laptop
[01:41] <bjsnider> how much ram?
[01:41] <bjsnider> is it dedicated?
[01:41] <daf_> yes
[01:41] <daf_> erm.... not exactly sure on the ram
[01:41] <daf_> can i lspci or something?
[01:42] <bjsnider> nvidia-settings can show u
[01:43] <daf_> looking
[01:43] <daf_> um... help where in nv-set
[01:44] <zetheroo> tick tock
[01:44] <daf_> ahh... found it 256
[01:44] <daf_> 8400m gs
[01:44] <daf_> dedicated
[01:44] <zetheroo> anyone using Karmic with Intel gfx?
[01:45] <daf_> using nvidia 185 in jaunty with no probs
[01:45] <daf_> from website
[01:45] <jasmuz> zetheroo, i tried it.. and worked fine.
[01:45] <CrocoJet> is released?
[01:45] <zetheroo> jasmuz: better than in Jaunty?
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> useing 185 with my nvidia 8800gtsxxx here also. :)
[01:45] <CrocoJet> download
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> CrocoJet:  see topic
[01:45] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: tick tock
[01:45] <CrocoJet> ops
[01:45] <jasmuz> zetheroo, i found the experience to be as good as using my ati card... at least for compiz and compositing
[01:46] <zetheroo> jasmuz: did you notice the bad performance in jaunty with your intel hardware?
[01:47] <jasmuz> zetheroo, honestly..  the performance was subpar, nothing extremely bad but neither good also.
[01:47] <zetheroo> jasmuz: cause that is what i am wondering... if the Intel system i have which in Jaunty is pretty bad with compiz etc ... will perform better in Karmic
[01:47] <CrocoJet> what time will be "another day" ?
[01:47] <CrocoJet> here Brazil now .. 23:47
[01:48] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: well ... since you asked its going to be delayed another 24 hours .. =-O
[01:48] <zetheroo> :P
[01:48] <CrocoJet> nooo ...
[01:48] <CrocoJet> lol
[01:49] <zetheroo> Canonical days are 48-72 hours .. at least the release "day"
[01:49] <CompactDstrxion> canonical days last from GMT+12 to GMT-12
[01:49] <jasmuz> zetheroo, Well... better kernel and better xorg does give you hope
[01:49] <CompactDstrxion> so yeah 48 hours
[01:50] <CompactDstrxion> as long as it's oct 29th on some remote island when it comes out thats fine for them
[01:50] <CompactDstrxion> see firefox 3 for a similar situation
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> 'when its done'
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:50] <CrocoJet> terrible !!!
[01:50] <CrocoJet> lol
[01:50] <CrocoJet> hope webcams works ... new ubuntu
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> of course if you instlled the rc and update/upgraded.. basically you would allready have the release...
[01:50] <CompactDstrxion> what annoys me though is 'Coming Soon!' right now can mean any minute now or go to bed mate its 2am
[01:50] <daf_> ahh.... Duke Nukem said that
[01:50] <CompactDstrxion> yeah but i reformatted for 7
[01:50] <KnifeySpooney> Woot.. karmic's out tomorrow :)
[01:51] <daf_> anyway off to play with daily image
[01:51] <zetheroo> CompactDstrxion: is it 2 am where you are?
[01:51] <CompactDstrxion> yeah, UK
[01:51] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney; tomorrow? ..
[01:51] <zetheroo> CompactDstrxion: yeah ... may as well hit the hay ..
[01:51] <KnifeySpooney> zetheroo: Doesn't it say 1 day?
[01:51] <CrocoJet> today I use win 7 .. total deception
[01:51] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney: nope
[01:51] <CompactDstrxion> probably will soon zetheroo
[01:51] <KnifeySpooney> err
[01:52] <jasmuz> CrocoJet, i won't even ask why in God's name you tried using W7
[01:52] <KnifeySpooney> wikipedia says Oct 29, and today is oct 28th for me
[01:52] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: shame on you ... ha ... nah Windows 7 is better than its predecessor
[01:52] <CrocoJet> only testing
[01:52] <CrocoJet> really ... not good
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> Sort of like the black plague is better then the bubuonic plague...
[01:52] <jasmuz> zetheroo, guys im off to call the gf.
[01:52] <CrocoJet> I did not like
[01:53] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney: ah well there you have it ... on Ubuntu.com it just says Coming Soon
[01:53] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: exactly
[01:53] <Kamilion> http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2396/win7notsobad.png  <--- How to make Windows 7 Usable:  From left to right: TrueLaunchBar's CPU and Uptime plugins, vmware workstation, firefox, explorer, hulu desktop, media player classic, xmplay, nxclient, rdpclient, putty, winscp, a running copy of kvirc, and an open nxsession to an ubuntu box.
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> CrocoJet:  not going to matter if you like or not. :) it will get forced on everyone .
[01:53] <KnifeySpooney> zetheroo: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[01:53] <zetheroo> jasmuz: huh?
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[01:54] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney: yep ...
[01:54] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: where you off to Doc?
[01:54] <CrocoJet> if I have beta update.. do I need re-install whole?
[01:54] <KnifeySpooney> err. I don't see what you're saying
[01:55] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney: you don't see where is says Coming Soon?
[01:55] <zetheroo> :)
[01:55] <KnifeySpooney> Soon is tomorrow? lol
[01:55] <zetheroo> Kamilion: ha ... pretty good attempt
[01:55] <CrocoJet> I did not like "ext4 by default"
[01:56] <zetheroo> KnifeySpooney: for you it could be ... I am already in the 29th of Oct
[01:56] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: why? ... I use it already in Jaunty ... and its fast!
[01:57] <zmjjmz> y'know what will be annoying for 6 months?
[01:57] <zmjjmz> I have the Dell Mini 910, and Karmic is 9.10
[01:57] <PlainFlavored> Kamilion: what is that terminal program you're running?
[01:57] <CrocoJet> time of use?
[01:57] <CrocoJet> no more crashes?
[01:57] <Kamilion> PlainFlavored: gnome-terminal ?
[01:57] <zetheroo> zmjjmz: is that annoying?
[01:57] <PlainFlavored> haha i mean the program running inside it
[01:57] <CrocoJet> impressive .. gnome is going to 3.0 "
[01:57] <Kamilion> Oh. htop.
[01:58] <PlainFlavored> cool
[01:58] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: time of use ... about 6 months ... no crashes
[01:58] <CrocoJet> zetheroo, cool
[01:58] <Kamilion> top sucks cause ya can't scroll.
[01:58] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: and I am using it on 3 machines ... 2 laptops and one desktop
[01:59] <Kamilion> htop scrolls in all four directions, has a nice tree dislay, and some nice status graphs for ascii.
[01:59] <CrocoJet> and KDE 4 (kubuntu) will be stable or so so :?
[01:59] <CrocoJet> gnome 3 will use Qt4 ?
[01:59] <zmjjmz> zetheroo: it's annoying to get support
[01:59] <zmjjmz> or use any meaningful search with
[01:59] <CrocoJet> qt4 made in norway
[02:00] <CrocoJet> norway land of nice women !! hehehe
[02:00] <zetheroo> zmjjmz: how do you mean?
[02:00] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: I thought it was Czech Republic ... :P ... or Hungary .
[02:00] <CrocoJet> ahhahaha
[02:01] <CrocoJet> really I like a lot Norway ... more than Brazil
[02:01] <zetheroo> CrocoJet: spring time in CZ or hungary ... WOW!
[02:01] <Pici> !ot
[02:01] <Pici> !party
[02:01] <CrocoJet> yes yes .. sorry
[02:02] <CrocoJet> well nice people .. going to bed .. 00:02 am
[02:02] <CrocoJet> Nite everyone !
[02:11] <Roey> DO I NEED AN ALTERNATE CD if I a installing to an /existing/ raid setup?
[02:12] <DanaG> grr... xfce4 doesn't let me set "ctrl-alt-backspace zaps xorg" like gnome does.
[02:14] <LogicalDash> Empathy keeps opening when I didn't tell it to. I am THIS CLOSE to uninstalling it for this behavior. What's causing it?
[02:14] <Roey> hey, can anyone help me out with this issue...
[02:14] <DanaG> argh... stupid apt.
[02:14] <DanaG> didn't markauto the packages pulled in by the xubuntu-desktop metapackage!
[02:15] <Roey> On bootup, the kernel dumps me to a busybox/ash shell after complaining it cannot find /.  This comes off a stock installation of Kubuntu 9.10 (karmic koala).  I have the output of 'blkid' and contents of 'grub.cfg' right here:  http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c
[02:16] <gotsanity> anyone managed to install fuppes in karmic (64bit)
[02:16] <gotsanity> mine keeps giving me a compile error
[02:21] <DanaG> grr, can't install lubuntu-desktop.
[02:23] <gotsanity> i feel your pain. im pounding my head over this fuppes install
[02:23] <evilaim> Well, this chan is gunne be null soon
[02:23] <evilaim> Then it's onto 10.4
[02:23] <DanaG> well, this is different:
[02:23] <DanaG> lubuntu-desktop wants me to uninstall networkmanager.
[02:25] <Kamilion> is it installing wicd?
[02:25] <DanaG> yeah, it's trying to.
[02:25] <Kamilion> that conflicts/replaces network-mangler on lubuntu, I think.
[02:32] <mMezquitale> is it out yet
[02:32] <DanaG> ugh, lxde is lame... if you turn off panel background, it gives you a panel full of garbage.
[02:33] <DanaG> And xsplash blocks the thing for 15 seconds.
[02:34] <DanaG> Error <i>org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure</i>
[02:34] <DanaG> nice.
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> !isitout | mMezquitale
[02:38] <StrangeCharm> is it possible to change a dm-crypt volume that currently uses a passphrase to be mounted at boot time, so that it can be automaticcaly mounted using a keyfile?
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> StrangeCharm: I believe the answer is yes, but I have utterly no idea how.
[02:42] <StrangeCharm> tonyyarusso, sweet. now i just need to find the carefully and meticulously written, and completely up-to-date tutorial that tells me how to do it.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> hehe, yup
[02:47] <hikenboot> what happened to the menu.lst file in 9.1?
[02:47] <jbuncher> hikenboot, read about grub2
[02:47] <hikenboot> ah ok
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> hikenboot: also, it's 9.10, not 9.1
[02:48] <hikenboot> also is xen now merged with the generic kernel i am getting errors after installing xen packages which usually indicate python is not installed or the xen kernel is not running?
[02:54] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/desktop-devel-list@gnome.org/msg15825.html
[02:54] <DanaG> interesting.
[02:55] <volante> hi, i just installed karmic but accidently blew away /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf - how can i get that file back?
[02:56] <LogicalDash> > touch /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[02:56] <volante> logicaldash: i want the contents back :)
[02:57] <volante> it was an untouched fresh install, so i just need the file from the package
[02:58] <volante> bah
[02:58] <volante> as if im gonna have to reinstall my entire system just for one default config file..
[02:58] <volante> can someone send me their blacklist.conf?
[03:02] <Kcsrnd> i haven't installed karmic yet otherwise i would..  but what i don't understand is why you'd want to install the beta just before the final is released?
[03:02] <JanC> volante: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303988/
[03:02] <JanC> volante: no guarantee that's the default though
[03:03] <volante> JanC: thanks very much.   im gonna boot the live cd and compare with that
[03:05] <Jordan_U> Kcsrnd: The beta I don't understand intalling, but the RC is almost exactly the same as the final and it's only a regular update to go from RC to final
[03:06] <XDevHald> Anyone here know how to change the login theme for Karmic?
[03:06] <jure> is it possible to auto-grant sudo privileges (i.e. remove the need to type in password) to a chosen application e.g. update-manager?
[03:06] <Kcsrnd> oh, ok.  i haven't installed either.  makes sense now, thanks
[03:06] <Jordan_U> Kcsrnd: np
[03:07] <mzuverink> I have a AMD 64 bit machine that I would like to actually install 64 bit Ubuntu on when I update, but do the flash, java and other waste of space useless plugins for Firefox work properly in 64 bit, or is in still a best bet to install 64 bit but install32 bit firefox?
[03:08] <jimpop> jure: man sudoers
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> mzuverink: my understanding is that most things are find these days
[03:09] <mzuverink> tonyyarusso, find, good, I hope I fine that to be the case, thanks.    :-)
[03:09] <Jordan_U> mzuverink: 64 bit firefox will be a bit slower than 32 bit firefox because the JIT is not 64 bit compatible yet ( same on windows )
[03:09] <mzuverink> tonyyarusso, did you catch that?
[03:10] <mzuverink> whaats JIT
[03:10] <Misantropo> Does RC turn into the Final Release as of today?
[03:10] <Jeruvy> yup, come join the #unbuntu-release-party
[03:11] <Misantropo> Jeruvy: what i meant is, if i have RC installed will it turn into Final Release?
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> mzuverink: caught "find, good..."
[03:11] <Jeruvy> er #ubuntu-release-party
[03:11] <Misantropo> i am already at #ubuntu-release-party
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> and whatever that unintelligible thing Jordan_U said was :P
[03:11] <Jeruvy> Misantropo ah, well yes you can do the upgrade.
[03:11] <Misantropo> cool
[03:11] <Misantropo> thanks
[03:17] <jdahm> I have vlc and w32codecs installed, but I'm still not able to see .wmv files.
[03:17] <jdahm> Any idea why?
[03:21] <hikenboot> which package installs the xen kernel?
[03:23] <Lint> does f-spot work in Karmic?
[03:24] <tunki> yes f-spot worked in Karmic rc last time I tried
[03:24] <hikenboot> it appears the ubuntu-xen-desktop package does not install the xen kernel..can anyone confirm?
[03:30] <tunki> Anybody could know time for Karmic release?  GMT?  Too naif??? :-)
[03:30] <Light-> tunki, karmic isnt being released anymore because people like you are too impatient
[03:30] <tunki> :-D
[03:32] <scott_ino2> im just gonna start telling people it's already released
[03:32] <Jeruvy> !isitout
[03:32] <tunki> Ok, ok, don't burn the chat.  I can wait....  ...... ............. .... . ........ ...
[03:32] <scott_ino2> in a way it is
[03:33] <Barridus> is it just me or is UbuntuOne totally unreliable
[03:33] <tunki> I really can wait ... .... ... . ..... ... ... ..... .... . ........ .. . ... .
[03:33] <EruditeHermit> hey
[03:34] <EruditeHermit> is anyone willing to post a bootchart of their boot process somewhere?
[03:34] <scott_ino2> ughh this used to happen in the fedoraforums when I was over , people would post leaks
[03:34] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, sure, if you give me a sec and install it
[03:34] <scott_ino2> and tell me what you want
[03:34] <LogicalDash> What does UbuntuOne... do? I've clicked it a couple times and observed no effect
[03:35] <Jeruvy> Barridus: I'd say it must be you, been working fine here.  But why not file a bug if theres something at fault?
[03:35] <EruditeHermit> scott_ino2, I am trying to figure out why my boot takes really long and twice what it used to
[03:35] <tunki> bye!
[03:35] <xiambax_> Im attempting to install 9.10 64bit on my system and when it starts up X flashes different colours and verticle lines
[03:35] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, yeah i get some strange boot stuff goin on as well, at least initially i think an update fixed it though
[03:35] <EruditeHermit> scott_ino2, if you know a lot about the boot process, would you be willing to look at my bootchart and see why its taking so long?
[03:35] <xiambax_> I tried to boot it with graphics safe mode and no avail either
[03:35] <xiambax_> its running 9.04
[03:35] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, give me a sec and i'll post it for you
[03:35] <EruditeHermit> ok
[03:35] <JanC> LogicalDash: you can use it to share files, firefox bookmarks and evolution address books between computers
[03:35] <EruditeHermit> thanks
[03:35] <Barridus> Jeruvy, try renaming a file that's in your UbuntuOne folder and connect.  See if it renames on the website portal.  Or see if it totally desyncs your experience
[03:36] <LogicalDash> They probably could've named it better.
[03:36] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[03:36] <LogicalDash> Something suggestive of "sync".
[03:36] <Barridus> back up your stuff first before trying Jeruvy
[03:36] <scott_ino2> I know about the boot process but they've changed quite a bit with grub2 so i couldn't talk on that.. so i might not be too much help
[03:36] <Jeruvy> Barridus: on the cloud?  I've heard of that being a problem.
[03:37] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, where does bootchart put it's log?
[03:37] <scott_ino2> by default
[03:37] <Barridus> Jeruvy, yes.  renaming/moving/etc totally destroys the entire process like forever.
[03:37] <scott_ino2> so i know where to look
[03:37] <nameiner> xiambax: had the same problem till I switched the port of the graphics card the monitor was connected to. If that doesn't help I can't help more.
[03:37] <Barridus> totally not ready for a $10/month premium space package.
[03:37] <Barridus> gonna hurt ubuntu's rep if they start taking money for this
[03:38] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, be back in one sec
[03:42] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, give me a sec and i'll send you a link
[03:44] <xiambax_> Can someone assist me with my graphics problem during install?
[03:45] <nameiner> xiambax_: does your graphics card have 2 outlets?
[03:45] <xiambax_> one
[03:45] <xiambax_> onboard
[03:46] <xiambax_> GeForce 7050PV
[03:46] <nameiner> xiambax_: hmmm, I had the same problem until I switched the outlet. but that won't help you then.
[03:46] <xiambax_>  - nForce 630a
[03:47] <xiambax_> Could I do alternate install via text mode?
[03:48] <Wargasm> is the problem only during install?
[03:48] <Wargasm> if so, yes. if no, then your graphics wont work after install anyway
[03:48] <xiambax_> yeah.
[03:48] <scott_ino2> EruditeHermit, sent in pm
[03:48] <xiambax_> Can i Do text install from a desktop image?
[03:48] <Wargasm> i would try the alternate install
[03:49] <Wargasm> did you try alternate
[03:49] <Wargasm> instead of the normal installer
[03:49] <xiambax_> No i only have amd64 and i386 images
[03:49] <xiambax_> desktop
[03:49] <Wargasm> try the alternate desktop
[03:49] <xiambax_> I never had a need for the alternate till now
[03:49] <Wargasm> yeah alternate should work i think
[03:49] <Wargasm> try that out
[03:49] <Wargasm> it's a lot less graphics intensive
[03:49] <xiambax_> Ok. Also tomorrow when teh official release is
[03:50] <xiambax_> can i just do an update via package manager and everything will work fine
[03:50] <scott_ino2> xiambax, yes
[03:50] <xiambax_> wurd
[03:50] <Wargasm> yep
[03:50] <Barridus> man, release is tomorrow?  not gonna be a smooth one i don't think
[03:50] <Wargasm> why don't you think so?
[03:50] <xiambax_> No, Its not all to bad
[03:50] <Wargasm> servers will get hit hard?
[03:50] <xiambax_> I never really had any problems until now
[03:50] <scott_ino2> I mean the servers have been getting hit hard already
[03:51] <Barridus> bugs
[03:51] <Wargasm> yeah i tried downloading the non-torrent version yesterday and it was crawling
[03:51] <xiambax_> Bug wise I havent had many issues
[03:51] <xiambax_> Mind you I dont do to much with my computer other then listen to music and browse
[03:51] <Wargasm> same here
[03:51] <syn-ack> Wait so I cant ask when it comes out or it will be delayed? Lame. :P
[03:51] <mgmuscari1> does anybody here know if iwlagn under 9.10 randomly drops connections to 11n networks using wpa/wpa2 encryption?
[03:52] <Wargasm> it will come out tomorrow, unless there's a big problem
[03:52] <mgmuscari1> 9.04 just started doing this to me a few days ago... debating whether to upgrade when the time comes...
[03:52] <syn-ack> Wargasm, I read the /topic, yo. :P
[03:52] <syn-ack> No one has a sense of humor anymore. Jeez
[03:52] <Barridus> i mean the
[03:53] <Barridus> i mean the "cloud" feature they've been hyping up is totally unstable and unreliable
[03:53] <Wargasm> havent tried the cloud thing yet lol
[03:53] <Wargasm> no need for it honestly
[03:53] <xiambax_> Yeah. Me either
[03:53] <xiambax_> I have webmail
[03:53] <Barridus> they want $10 to screw up 50gb of my files, i can do that for free XD
[03:54] <xiambax_> and access to ftp to my computers from home
[03:54] <Wargasm> gmail
[03:54] <xiambax_> So no need really
[03:54] <zmjjmz> :|||
[03:54] <Wargasm> lol Barridus
[03:54] <syn-ack> All your cloud are belong to me. :P
[03:54] <zmjjmz> comcast just dropped >70 packets
[03:54] <Wargasm> comcast is fail
[03:54] <mikeru> does it work on macbooks 5,2 ?
[03:54] <syn-ack> zmjjmz, And that surprises you how?
[03:54] <syn-ack> It IS comcrap afterall. I love Cox Communications.
[03:54] <xiambax_> Yes mikeru
[03:54] <xiambax_> It will
[03:55] <xiambax_> You can use bootcamp or rEFIt
[03:55] <mikeru> considering the ACPI bug.
[03:55] <Berzerker> ACPI bug?
[03:55] <mgmuscari1> hmmm.... anybody using an intel wifi link 5100 agn or 5300 agn?
[03:55] <mikeru> I mean, did it get fixed ?
[03:55] <Berzerker> like the F functions not working?
[03:55] <mikeru> no…
[03:55] <Berzerker> what's the ACPI bug
[03:55] <mikeru> the [###.####] Not responding
[03:55] <mikeru> umm
[03:55] <Berzerker> no idea
[03:55] <syn-ack> mikeru, um ACPI always has been one huge bug
[03:55] <mgmuscari1> mikeru: i've had that before
[03:55] <mikeru> acpi=off
[03:56] <mikeru> otherwise it won't work on macbooks made after 2009
[03:56] <mikeru> white macbooks
[03:56] <Berzerker> run OS X?
[03:56] <Berzerker> that's why you bought a mac
[03:56] <Berzerker> lol
[03:56] <syn-ack> Berzerker, EXACTLY
[03:56] <xiambax_> Hey. I love my mac
[03:56] <xiambax_> but I dualboot linux on it too
[03:56] <mikeru> Mac's hardware is very good, that's why I bought a mac.
[03:56] <Berzerker> I wouldn't put linux near it
[03:56] <mikeru> Berzerker: you wouldn't
[03:56] <Berzerker> you shouldn't.
[03:56] <mikeru> ubuntu ran very good on my mac mini
[03:57] <syn-ack> mikeru, Hint... The hardware in a Mac is the EXACT same shit in a Dell
[03:57] <Wargasm> hardware is hardware, i build my own pcs with good hardware
[03:57] <Wargasm> this pc has been chugging away for over 2 years without fault
[03:57] <zmjjmz> syn-ack: because, y'know, I pay 90$/mo for it
[03:57] <zmjjmz> and losing 70 packets every minute isn't all that great
[03:57] <DanaG> hmm, did you try efi-based boot?
[03:57] <mikeru> no…
[03:57] <Berzerker> yeah it pretty much is
[03:57] <mikeru> anyway, who cares why I bought a mac?
[03:57] <syn-ack> zmjjmz, get used to it. That's Comcast
[03:58] <zmjjmz> syn-ack: I've been using them for 12 years
[03:58]  * DanaG uses a 5300... what do you want to know about it?
[03:58] <mikeru> there's a reason there exists the mactel part of the wiki. which doesn't say anything about MacBooks 5,2 yet…
[03:58] <syn-ack> The one thing I hate the most is seeing someone with a Mac only to see Windows or Linux running on it
[03:58] <DanaG> oh
[03:58] <DanaG> I don't use N.
[03:58] <mikeru> syn-ack: your problem
[03:58] <mgmuscari1> DanaG: have you had any problems with connections not responding using wpa/wpa2 on 11n networks?
[03:58] <DanaG> I do use wpa2... works fine.
[03:58] <mgmuscari1> DanaG: ah...
[03:58] <syn-ack> DanaG, Same here...
[03:58] <DanaG> Though, rather, it drops out under heavy usage sometimes.
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> DanaG: a few days ago, 9.04 randomly started doing this to me...
[03:59] <zmjjmz> syn-ack: I still think I should get FiOS, but others don't agree
[03:59] <DanaG> wait, that's not "fine", after all.
[03:59] <syn-ack> zmjjmz, I would.
[03:59] <zmjjmz> wpa2 hasn't dropped on me under heavy usage
[03:59] <syn-ack> FiOS is all thats good and holy
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> the only way i can keep my connection alive is to run ping 192.168.0.1 > /dev/null
[03:59] <zmjjmz> of course, my definition of heavy usage is probably very different
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> :/ and leave it running
[03:59] <DanaG> Do you have backports-modules installed?
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> no
[03:59] <DanaG> hmm, I do.
[03:59] <mikeru> plus, I've had both Dells and Macs and my macbook is better than my dad's 17-inch dell laptop
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> i was thinking about trying that earlier
[03:59] <mgmuscari1> but i'm not exactly sure what that would do for me...
[04:00] <mikeru> which cost more than it, btw
[04:00] <syn-ack> zmjjmz, I use on average of 20 Gigs a day and I've never had WPA2 drop out on me
[04:00] <mikeru> plus, they have good design ^^
[04:00] <mgmuscari1> i don't seem to have problems on any other wifi networks
[04:00] <zmjjmz> syn-ack: except for blocking port 80 for servers?
[04:00] <xiambax_> mikeru, drop the mac debate. you will never with. Im a macguy myself. Ive been blue in the face many times.
[04:00] <mgmuscari1> g networks with no encryption, for example
[04:00] <xiambax_> Mind you im bias cause i worked for apple.
[04:01] <xiambax_> which im fully aware of my bias
[04:01] <syn-ack> zmjjmz, You know, I can accept that because of the Quality of Service is so damn good though
[04:01] <zmjjmz> syn-ack: yeah, but I actually would prefer not to have to use 8080 for all my connections to my server
[04:01] <xiambax_> whats fios cost?
[04:01] <MorkBork> the only thing redeemable about mac is the aesthetics
[04:01] <MorkBork> but even that song is getting old
[04:01] <mgmuscari1> i notice that on shutdown, when my wifi has dropped out at any point, i get errors from iwlagn... something about code -28 and a problem with RXON
[04:02] <mgmuscari1> i need to learn more about drivers
[04:02] <mikeru> yeah, it doesn't actually matter. however, i would like to know if there's a bug fix for it.
[04:02] <mgmuscari1> oh, by the way, fios is the bee's knees
[04:02] <zmjjmz> which is, ahem, a phproxy for use at school
[04:02] <zmjjmz> and my school blocks 8080
[04:02] <zmjjmz> xiambax: depends on what you get it with
[04:02] <zmjjmz> that's an interesting expression
[04:02] <xiambax_> basic balls deep high speed. whats that go fo?
[04:03] <zmjjmz> why are bee's knees so important?
[04:03] <zmjjmz> xiambax: witohut tv/phone?
[04:03] <xiambax_> yeah
[04:03] <mgmuscari1> zmjjmz: they're better than the cat's pyjamas
[04:03] <MorkBork> for fios?
[04:03] <MorkBork> like 40 a month gets you the lowest tier
[04:03] <xiambax_> fios is fiber to curb right?
[04:03] <MorkBork> fiber to your nid
[04:03] <syn-ack> I have 28 Mega Bit Down and 2 Mega Bit up.
[04:03] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: fios is fiber to the premises
[04:03] <syn-ack> DOCSIS 3.0 FTW
[04:04] <xiambax_> ah i thought it was fiber to curb
[04:04] <zmjjmz> prolly like 40/mo?
[04:04] <zmjjmz> I haven't checked, but that's what it looked like last time
[04:04] <zmjjmz> at least that's what it is in my area
[04:04] <rxd> where can i find the new 9.10 karmic
[04:04] <xiambax_> I get better speeds then fios somedays
[04:04] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: they run fiber right to a termination point in your basement
[04:04] <xiambax_> dependant on interferance when i have my ham rig up
[04:04] <DanaG> ARGH, what is "meta"?
[04:04] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: comes with a UPS and everything
[04:04] <DanaG> meta-ctrl-s in kwin.
[04:04] <Jordan_U> DanaG: alt
[04:04] <MorkBork> thats the quirk about fios
[04:04] <MorkBork> they rip out the copper
[04:04] <MorkBork> so your phone is over fiber too
[04:04] <MorkBork> and copper is why your phone sometimes works during a power outage
[04:04] <mgmuscari1> MorkBork: you can explicitly ask them not to rip out your copper drop
[04:05] <DanaG> hmm, doesn't work for me.
[04:05] <xiambax_> I use modified wrt54g and a ham rig to broadcast wifi 802.11g over amature radio
[04:05] <xiambax_> to our local university
[04:05] <xiambax_> huge transfer rates
[04:05] <xiambax_> for free :D
[04:05] <xiambax_> most people dont know that you can do that kinda thing
[04:05] <mgmuscari1> MorkBork: phone works with fios during a power outage due to the UPS that's built into the NID
[04:05] <MorkBork> yea
[04:05] <MorkBork> but only for x amount of time
[04:05] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Try super
[04:05] <zmjjmz> yeah
[04:05] <zmjjmz> that's why my dad doesn't want it
[04:06] <zmjjmz> despite the fact that our current phone doesn't do non local area code calls
[04:06] <DanaG> ah, thanks.
[04:06] <gotsanity> anyone been able to compile fuppes on karmic yet? ive got all the dependancies installed but im still getting a compile error
[04:06] <zmjjmz> MorkBork: 40/mo gets me... 10Mbps
[04:06] <MorkBork> theres a huge huge bank of 48v batteries in those central offices to keep lines running during power outages
[04:06] <zmjjmz> fast compared to the 3Mbps we get from comcrap now
[04:06] <MorkBork> for ringer voltage, etc
[04:06] <mikeru> nevermind…
[04:06] <DanaG> ugh, on fglrx, compiz > kwin.
[04:06] <mgmuscari1> MorkBork: the CO's run 24-48 hours
[04:06] <xiambax_> all digital networks scare me
[04:06] <mgmuscari1> can you guys tell that i've worked for a phone company? lol
[04:06] <xiambax_> if shit ever goes down or the gov pulls the internet for whatever reasons.... in cases of "national security"
[04:06] <xiambax_> were screwed
[04:07] <xiambax_> same can happen in an anolog network
[04:07] <xiambax_> but more so in a digital one
[04:07] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: why do you see any difference between them?
[04:07] <MorkBork> shrug
[04:07] <MorkBork> id take fios too
[04:07] <MorkBork> im just saying
[04:07] <zmjjmz> that's a good thing to have a cellphone for :P
[04:07] <MorkBork> its not without its consideration
[04:07] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: I'd say less so because it's much less decentralized and routing is more automatic
[04:07] <MorkBork> and i think someone just mentioned ham radios
[04:07] <MorkBork> thats free, and non dependant on someone else
[04:07] <xiambax_> I did MorkBork
[04:07] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: *much less centralized
[04:07] <mgmuscari1> MorkBork: fios is a lot better than cablevision IMO
[04:08] <zmjjmz> xiambax: er, the US gov't can't just say "we don't want the internet" and take it down
[04:08] <xiambax_> zmjjmz, Yes they can
[04:08] <syn-ack> Qwest has a supposed FTTP service out there but what they dont tell you is that its only up to the pedestal with copper going to the NID
[04:08] <MorkBork> qwest is bull
[04:08] <xiambax_> What was that act saying Obama can take down TV and the Internet in states of emergency
[04:08] <syn-ack> I laughed and laughed when I looked into the service
[04:08] <MorkBork> im in a qwest/cox area
[04:08] <MorkBork> talk about no competition ;x
[04:08] <syn-ack> MorkBork, Where at?
[04:08] <xiambax_> It was passed awhile ago
[04:08] <MorkBork> phoenix
[04:08] <syn-ack> Hah
[04:08] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Legal authority and ability are not the same thing :)
[04:09] <syn-ack> MorkBork, I'm in Tucson.
[04:09] <MorkBork> yea we're screwed out here
[04:09] <zmjjmz> xiambax_: it's an international communications infrastructure
[04:09] <zmjjmz> it's also very decentralized
[04:09] <xiambax_> Legallity has nothing to do with it.
[04:09] <zmjjmz> xiambax: I don't remember it being passed
[04:09] <xiambax_> The powers that be can do whatever they want man
[04:09] <zmjjmz> but I can search ars
[04:09] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Use a satalite link from China if the U.S. decides to turn of their tubes
[04:09] <zmjjmz> xiambax: they're not that competent
[04:10] <xiambax_> Say WW3 broke out.... there would be a draft and any security threats would be delt with
[04:10] <xiambax_> Jordan_U, Satlink? Using what
[04:10] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: i'd flee to canada
[04:10] <MorkBork> the government doesnt run the internet
[04:10] <xiambax_> I live in Canada :D
[04:10] <MorkBork> nor could they shut it down if they wanted ti
[04:10] <Jkessler> screwed?  try bumfckt, north dakota...  i get my dsl from the local phone coop, the only place you can get service..  i pay $50 for 1 meg down/256 up
[04:10] <MorkBork> i doubt level3 even knows where half their fiber is
[04:10] <MorkBork> let alone a map to give someone
[04:10] <skreech> dshepherd: ping
[04:11] <MorkBork> people only maintain their infrastructure when they have to
[04:11] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: A satalite modem, it's expensive and slow ( and latency is horrific ) but it exists
[04:11] <Jkessler> we'll see fios in 20 years here
[04:11] <syn-ack> HAHAHHa
[04:11] <MorkBork> look at how crappy some roads and bridges are
[04:11] <syn-ack> So I just reinstalled a box right... with Jaunty
[04:11] <MorkBork> its like saying the government is going to road block every highway in the US
[04:11] <mgmuscari1> i just realized that i said NID before when i meant ONT
[04:11] <xiambax_> I wish there was free FTA sat connections for modems
[04:11] <MorkBork> good luck with that
[04:12] <syn-ack> I'm doing the distro jump right now and man oh man almost 1k packages need to be upgraded
[04:12] <syn-ack> hahaha
[04:12] <mgmuscari1> if you get fios, ask verizon not to remove your copper drop or your NID, and you're all set :)
[04:12] <syn-ack> The fun part is that it will only take about 5 minutes to download all the packages. :D
[04:12] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: Unless you are testing upgrades from jaunty to karmic it will be faster, and a smaller download, to just install karmic from scratch instead
[04:13] <syn-ack> Jordan_U, I'm sure it is
[04:13] <syn-ack> Jordan_U, I dont have any blank CDs ATM. ;)
[04:13] <mgmuscari1> oh, is it out now?
[04:13] <mgmuscari1> or are you installing the beta?
[04:14] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, the RC is basically the finall anyway so it's not like its all tha much of a jump
[04:14] <zmjjmz> mgmuscari1: how long is that maintainable?
[04:14] <zmjjmz> by now, yeah
[04:14] <zmjjmz> hm
[04:14] <Barridus> what module is it that i should file a bug for if On-Demand powersaving is not enabled by default on my netbook (and i can't find a way to change that permanently)
[04:14] <mgmuscari1> i'm not in any rush
[04:14] <zmjjmz> I guess I should upgrade my beta eventually
[04:14] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: You could use GRUB2 to boot the karmic iso from your hard drive with the toram parameter ( obvioulsy easier than upgrading :)
[04:14] <mgmuscari1> unless i get the feeling that it will fix my dumb wifi problems
[04:14] <mgmuscari1> ooh, i can livecd it
[04:14] <syn-ack> meh
[04:15] <syn-ack> Jordan_U, I'm really not all that worried about it
[04:15] <Jordan_U> syn-ack: I was being sarcastic with that last point
[04:15] <syn-ack> ah
[04:15] <syn-ack> Sorry, that last bit was lost on me. :P
[04:15] <zmjjmz> it fixes the intel graphics issues, kinda
[04:15] <zmjjmz> they're still shitty
[04:15] <zmjjmz> but they're less shitty
[04:16] <syn-ack> I like Intel Graphics. heh
[04:16] <syn-ack> I have honestly not had any problems with it
[04:16] <mgmuscari1> i leave my intel graphics turned off and use the ATI card
[04:16] <mgmuscari1> but it reduces my battery life
[04:16] <mgmuscari1> and fglrx isn't to die for
[04:17] <mikeru> ok, in another computer that *isn't* the macbook, gdm forces screen size to be 1280x768 on a monitor whose max res is 1280x720
[04:17] <syn-ack> Sounds like a Mac. :P
[04:17]  * syn-ack runs
[04:17] <xiambax_> you can adjust that setting
[04:17] <mikeru> I can change it after logging in, but I want to change it in gdm
[04:17] <mgmuscari1> i remember when that kind of thing could damage a monitor
[04:17] <zmjjmz> well, they're ok
[04:17] <zmjjmz> I can run compiz pretty well
[04:17] <zmjjmz> but (even without that), flash is still AUIHSFIDHGUHGDASDHASJ
[04:17] <zmjjmz> mgmuscari1: you're old
[04:17] <mikeru> syn-ack: no, it's another computer. not a mac. really…
[04:18] <Barridus> what module controls power saving, please?
[04:18] <mikeru> syn-ack: it's a homebuilt one
[04:18] <zmjjmz> apm?
[04:18]  * zmjjmz runs
[04:18] <syn-ack> mikeru, I was busting your erm... yeah
[04:18] <syn-ack> ACPI?
[04:18] <mgmuscari1> zmjjmz: flash stutters right and left on my system, and i'm running core 2 duo t9400 and an ati firegl v5700 (radeon hd3650)
[04:18] <mgmuscari1> zmjjmz: i'm only 24 :p
[04:18] <Barridus> syn-ack, that is to me?
[04:19] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: what arch? which Flash package?
[04:19] <syn-ack> Yeah, but it was also in jest
[04:19] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: ia64
[04:19] <syn-ack> Barridus, thats really a vague question
[04:19] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: seriously? Adobe Flash?
[04:19] <Barridus> dammit :|  i found a bug and i don't know how to properly report it since i don't know what module to specify in ubuntu-bug
[04:19] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: yeah adobe flash
[04:19] <mgmuscari1> using fglrx + compiz
[04:20] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: native Adobe Flash on ia64? That's a new one to me...
[04:20] <syn-ack> Barridus, what is the bug?
[04:20] <mgmuscari1> video decoding gives me the most trouble
[04:20] <syn-ack> Barridus, do you have a backtrace, etc etc?
[04:20] <mgmuscari1> uses a whole cdpu
[04:20] <mgmuscari1> *cpu
[04:20] <mikeru> I tried some xorg.conf options and modelines, but gdm still refuses to acknowledge it
[04:20] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: out of curiosity, what's uname -a for you?
[04:20] <coordinador> hi
[04:20] <syn-ack> Barridus, it *could* something trivial or it could be something thats involved all the way to upstream
[04:20] <zmjjmz> I want a lot more sites to switch to html5/js
[04:20] <zmjjmz> instead of flash
[04:20] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: Linux mgmuscari-laptop 2.6.28-15-generic #52-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 9 10:48:52 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:21] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: ah, that's *amd64*
[04:21] <zmjjmz> mgmuscari1: I'm running on a netbook here
[04:21] <mikeru> well, the monitor says it's 1280x720, but scrolls whenever I move my mouse
[04:21] <Barridus> on the acer aspireone, new installs don't default to On Demand power saving as it does on other hardware, and as it did for the aspireone in previous ubuntus
[04:21] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: ia64 is a very different beast
[04:21] <syn-ack> Barridus, Which module controls power management means nothing...
[04:21] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: err, just assumed core 2 duo was ia64
[04:21] <mgmuscari1> that would be like itanium now that i think about it, though...
[04:21] <Barridus> i'm referring to 9.10, obv.
[04:21] <syn-ack> Barridus, so it *could* be something either hardware related or even Kernel related
[04:21] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: right, completely different beast :-)
[04:21] <mgmuscari1> correct me if i'm wrong. i haven't paid attention to processors in a few years
[04:22] <syn-ack> you're still not being completely clear, imo
[04:22] <mgmuscari1> doesn't work any better on my opteron 185 with an ati radeon x1800xt, though
[04:22] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: anyhow, are you using the 64-bit alpha refresh from Adobe's web site, or are you using flashplugin-installer?
[04:22] <syn-ack> Barridus, Hell, it could be the way the kernel is configured etc etc
[04:22] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: flashplugin-installer, because i'm lazy
[04:22] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: try purging flashplugin-installer and using the 64-bit alpha refresh
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> hi, does anyone know what .ck-history is in the new boot process/
[04:23] <Barridus> syn-ack, for lack of anything more obvious for me to do, think i should try reporting for acpi and see if someone says "wrong module, numbnuts, try module XXXX" then resubmit?
[04:23] <dtchen> mgmuscari1: nspluginwrapper has some known latency issues
[04:23] <mgmuscari1> dtchen: thanks for the tip
[04:24] <syn-ack> Barridus, Not to sound like a complete ass but I would look upstream first
[04:25] <syn-ack> Barridus, see if kernel.org's bugzilla has anything on it and work from there
[04:25] <Barridus> i'm not sure i'd know what to do up there
[04:25] <Barridus> that's why i'm trying to get word to someone who can, if i can do that
[04:26] <syn-ack> Barridus, IF you dont see anything upstream, then I would report it as a kernel issue and supply a copy of your uname -a and the config in /boot and your hardware profile.
[04:26] <Barridus> submit where exactly
[04:26] <syn-ack> on karmic's Launchpad for bugs
[04:27] <syn-ack> Barridus, standby
[04:27] <zmjjmz> kernel.org?
[04:27] <syn-ack> No
[04:28]  * mikeru patiently waits for an answer, hoping that there exists one…
[04:28] <syn-ack> Barridus, from your prompt type "apport-bug linux-image" and go from there
[04:28] <syn-ack> Barridus, without the quotes, of course
[04:29] <Barridus> roger, i'll try
[04:29] <Barridus> wait isn't it ubuntu-bug etc?
[04:30] <syn-ack> You could use that too.
[04:30] <dtchen> ubuntu-bug is just a symlink to apport-bug
[04:30] <Barridus> same thing?  or different b... ok thanks dtchen
[04:31]  * syn-ack waits for the other system to upgrade
[04:31] <Barridus> seems like it automatically pulls uname etc
[04:32]  * mikeru still waits for an answer... desperately.
[04:32] <dtchen> mikeru: what gfx hw?
[04:33] <syn-ack> Barridus, that it does.
[04:34] <Barridus> syn-ack, ok it defaulted to package "linux-meta", this proper?
[04:34] <mikeru> mikeru: that might be it. sucky SiS 671M. however, I think there should be some way to force resolution in GDM, as I can change my resolution when logged in to 1280x720
[04:34] <mikeru> hahah
[04:34] <syn-ack> Barridus, probably
[04:34] <Legendario> I've downloaded the netbook remix iso from releases.ubuntu.com but I am having difficulty to write it on a usb drive. Isn't it supposed to be an img file?
[04:34] <mikeru> dtchen: what I told myself...
[04:34] <Legendario> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/
[04:34] <syn-ack> Barridus, its pretty good at picking that stuff up
[04:34] <Barridus> i guess that would be the proper catagory for vague things XD
[04:34] <quiescens> legendario: you can probably use the iso with the usb creator thingy
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> Legendario: did you follow the instructions on the wiki?
[04:35] <syn-ack> ugh
[04:35] <syn-ack> system is choking at dmsetup
[04:35] <dtchen> Legendario: no, Karmic's image is deliberately suffixed with .iso
[04:35] <syn-ack> bbiab... Going for a smoke
[04:35] <dtchen> Legendario: but yes, as others have alluded, simply use dd as normal, or use usb-creator in Karmic
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> Legendario: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[04:36] <dshepherd> skreech: pong
[04:36] <xiambax_> Legendario. You on mac or pc?
[04:36] <Legendario> i tried the usb-creator on karmic but didn't work
[04:37] <xiambax_> yeah its buggy
[04:37] <xiambax_> i was going to sugest that
[04:37] <xiambax_> it works on jaunty
[04:37] <Legendario> it just doesn't allow me to click on "create image"
[04:37] <xiambax_> try formatting the stick first
[04:37] <Legendario> tried that...
[04:38] <dtchen> Legendario: did you select the proper partition?
[04:38] <Legendario> dtche, guess so. tried all the partitions
[04:38] <Legendario> well, it only has one...
[04:38] <Barridus> Legendario, you try unetbootin?
[04:38]  * mikeru says bye in this channel too
[04:39] <Legendario> tried selecting the disk and the partition itself
[04:39] <Legendario> I tried netbootin, but didn't work too
[04:39] <Barridus> !unetbootin
[04:39] <Legendario> unetbootin sorry
[04:39] <Barridus> unetbootin has always worked for me
[04:40] <Barridus> i'm on a netbook i installed karmic from a unetbootin'ed stick
[04:40] <Legendario> Barridus, for me too. I will try to download from the website
[04:40] <Barridus> i will say i used the windows unetbootin to make the usb stick
[04:41] <Barridus> prolly an important detail
[04:41] <Legendario> I also tried dd with the iso image. but the computer did not boot
[04:41] <Barridus> (although i have successfully used the linux one off of repos in the past)
[04:41] <Legendario> i don't know if dd is made to be used with iso images
[04:42] <Barridus> i never got the default ubuntu usb creator thing to work right
[04:42] <mgmuscari1> Legendario: you won't be able to get it to boot from usb stick by dd'ing the iso onto it...
[04:42] <mgmuscari1> i've tried inthe past
[04:42] <EruditeHermit> hello, can anyone help me with my boot process? It is really slow and there are 2 things I don't understand from my bootchart at http://imagebin.org/69558 . Firstly, I don't have dmraid installed but it is getting called and secondly, .ck-setup takes up a lot of CPU for 10 seconds
[04:42] <quiescens> i've been using the usb-creator for the most part lately
[04:42] <Legendario> mguscaril, could see that... ;-0
[04:43] <Legendario> ;-)
[04:43] <mgmuscari1> :p
[04:43] <syn-ack> hrm
[04:44] <xiambax_> I hope this alternative install works
[04:44] <syn-ack> Something tells me I just bombed an upgrade... first time in over 3 years too
[04:44] <xiambax_> its updating from web now
[04:44] <Wargasm> ive used alternate install plenty of times, nothing to be worried about
[04:45] <xiambax_> I just wanna see how well i can configure x with it
[04:45] <syn-ack> Holy hell. I think the system hard froze
[04:45] <syn-ack> HAHA
[04:45] <syn-ack> It sure did
[04:45] <chibihogoshino> is the final release of karmic going to be more stable than the current beta ?
[04:46] <xiambax_> no
[04:46] <dtchen> chibihogoshino: unlikely. The final release warped me into 2020.
[04:46] <xiambax_> less stable
[04:46] <syn-ack> chibihogoshino, I think the RC is rather very stable
[04:46] <xiambax_> just to piss you off
[04:46] <quiescens> i've only really had problems with resume/wake
[04:46]  * syn-ack does the three finger salute to the other machine
[04:46] <Barridus> i heard the final release will make children worldwide sad to be alive
[04:46] <dtchen> quiescens: with suspend or with resume?
[04:47] <dtchen> Barridus: it does already. I'm a sad panda.
[04:47] <chibihogoshino> syn-ack i killed it with a update
[04:47] <mgmuscari1> chibihogoshino: the karmic rc knocked up my girlfriend when i tried to run sudo touch /mnt/samba
[04:47] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, Should have used finger instead. ;)
[04:47] <quiescens> resume
[04:47] <mgmuscari1> syn-ack: lolll
[04:47] <chibihogoshino> lol
[04:47] <quiescens> it always successfully suspends, and then fails to resume
[04:48] <chibihogoshino> i didnt have any problems till i updated..
[04:48] <Barridus> dtchen, i always love a good tragedy
[04:48] <syn-ack> wow
[04:48] <mgmuscari1> that's going to end up on bash.org or in some chat log online somewhere
[04:48] <syn-ack> I just had a kernel panic... off the liveCD
[04:48] <mgmuscari1> and a potential employer is going to shun me for my distasteful sense of humor
[04:48] <Barridus> o_O
[04:49] <syn-ack> thats just.... wow
[04:50] <syn-ack> hrm
[04:50] <syn-ack> I'd really like to know what the hell just happened too
[04:52] <mgmuscari1> too bad, because you won't have a log of it now :[
[04:52] <syn-ack> dude
[04:52] <mgmuscari1> that sucks
[04:52] <syn-ack> I'm in utter shock...
[04:52] <mgmuscari1> what were you doing?
[04:52] <syn-ack> a distro jump
[04:52] <syn-ack> I wonder if I just had a hard disk bite it
[04:52] <mgmuscari1> ah...
[04:53] <mgmuscari1> yeah i'll be backing everything up before i attempt an upgrade...
[04:53] <mgmuscari1> and by upgrade i mean, wipe all my partitions and install a fresh copy of karmic
[04:53] <mgmuscari1> syn-ack: using ext4?
[04:53] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, yeah
[04:54] <Berzerker> chibihogoshino: pretty much the same amount of stable
[04:54] <mgmuscari1> i still don't trust it... i had major problems a few weeks ago with journals becoming increasingly corrupted
[04:54] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, this was a distro jump off a fresh jaunty install...
[04:54] <mgmuscari1> barely managed to back up my files before it bit the dust
[04:54] <Berzerker> chibihogoshino: the RC is extremely stable to begin with
[04:54] <mgmuscari1> syn-ack: cosmic ray?
[04:54] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, Something....
[04:54] <syn-ack> mgmuscari1, Simon better not be in my system
[04:55] <mgmuscari1> haha
[04:55] <mgmuscari1> a ghost in the machine
[04:55] <dtchen> wonder if it was dbus or hal being upgraded
[04:55] <syn-ack> dtchen, could have been... but the kernel panic on the reboot?
[04:55] <Barridus> i typically like having /home be it's own partition and keep that when i upgrade, wiping only / (minus /home obv.)
[04:56] <dtchen> syn-ack: do you have any of the spew from said panic?
[04:56] <mgmuscari1> !pastebin
[04:56] <syn-ack> Barridus, I generally keep /home on its own drive, preferably on LVM
[04:56] <syn-ack> dtchen, nah...
[04:56] <syn-ack> dtchen, I rebooted again and this time I got a terminal
[04:57] <mgmuscari1> Barridus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/304031/
[04:57] <mgmuscari1> that's what i do
[04:57] <Barridus> slowpastebin is slooooooooooow
[04:57] <coordinador> when? lol
[04:57] <dtchen> whereas fastpastebin is faaaaaast?
[04:58] <mgmuscari1> Barridus: hm, loaded up quickly for me
[04:58] <coordinador> syn-ack, i finally installed ubuntu un sdhc 4gb card
[04:58] <syn-ack> coordinador, nice.
[04:58] <coordinador> *in a
[04:58] <Barridus> thanks for the reminder, i forgot to do some fstab tweaks
[04:59] <coordinador> 9.04 recognizes everything in msi wind u100, even camera
[04:59] <Barridus> and that's a lot of sda's
[05:00] <syn-ack> round 2... FIGHT!
[05:00] <mgmuscari1> Barridus: iirc, there's a recovery partition from the factory for windows, then all my linux partitions on lvm, and then windows on another primary partition
[05:00]  * Barridus wonders where his Jaunty usb-stick is
[05:00] <Barridus> yeah, i blew out my windows recovery partition
[05:01] <quiescens> pew
[05:01] <Barridus> if xp ever blows up, good riddance
[05:01]  * syn-ack glances over to his Windows 7 Hard Disk sitting on his desk
[05:01] <mgmuscari1> Barridus: i have no other way of managing my fingerprint scanner :[
[05:02] <xiambax_> Pay for windows. pft
[05:02] <xiambax_> Run rc then patch my friend
[05:02] <xiambax_> :D
[05:02] <syn-ack> I hate Dual Booting and VMs so I keep my Os'en seperate
[05:02] <Barridus> yeah i hear you.  i have a vbox xp machine to interact with my Sony PSP
[05:02]  * mgmuscari1 gets windows 7 professional or business or whatever for free through MSDNAA
[05:03] <Wargasm> i got the $50 upgrade of windows 7, pretty pleased about that
[05:03] <Wargasm> free is even better though
[05:03] <dshepherd> can empathy have X amount of buddies under one contact? if so how
[05:04] <unitedpotsmokers> hello guys, i am new in linux, if i install karmic RC, should i install/upgrade to karmic final or format hard drive and do a clean install?
[05:04] <kholerabbi> dshepherd: I don't think empathy supports meta contacts atm
[05:04] <Barridus> unitedpotsmokers, install/upgrade should be fine
[05:04] <dshepherd> kholerabbi: darn it. that sucks for the time being
[05:05] <DKcross> hello friends
[05:05] <DKcross> karmic is up?
[05:05] <mgmuscari1> !isitout
[05:05] <xiambax_> Wargasm, You around?
[05:05] <xiambax_> It installed but x launches and it crashes
[05:05] <Barridus> DKcross, sadly it was cancelled this morning after an argument over a game of darts
[05:06] <xiambax_> is there anyway I can install proprietery drivers like through hardware drivers like in gui but through terminal?
[05:06] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: ati? nvidia? intel?
[05:06] <xiambax_> nvidia
[05:06] <mgmuscari1> xiambax_: try tweaking your xorg.conf
[05:07] <dshepherd> apt-get install nvidia-glx #might work if that is what you want
[05:07] <Barridus> speaking of xorg, i should create one for this xorg.conf-less thing
[05:07] <Barridus> or at least restore my jaunty one and see if that works
[05:08] <dshepherd> xiambax_: you can try the ubuntu software center and search for nvidia-glx if your are using karmic
[05:08] <xiambax_> weird
[05:08] <xiambax_> console doesnt even refrest
[05:08] <xiambax_> refresh
[05:08] <xiambax_> i have to go from one to another
[05:08] <xiambax_> and then back
[05:08] <xiambax_> to get screen to refresh
[05:10] <xiambax_> im downloading latest build
[05:10] <xiambax_> so we shall see
[05:10] <William-Ubuntu> i can't wait
[05:12] <xiambax_> after installing nvidia-glx is there anything i need to config?
[05:15] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[05:15] <xiambax_> no gui
[05:15] <xiambax_> x wont load
[05:15] <coordinador> how can i edit Services ?
[05:16] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Add "Driver nvidia" to the device section of your xorg.conf
[05:16] <mgmuscari1> /etc/init.d?
[05:17] <quiescens> so in the end did they put in any way to change the look of the gdm login screen thingy or do you still have to install a different gdm
[05:17] <xiambax_> i cant find my xorg.conf
[05:17] <xiambax_> just a man for it
[05:18] <quiescens> you might not have an xorg.conf if everything is default
[05:18] <quiescens> but it would go in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have one or wanted to make one
[05:19] <xiambax_> why dont i have one by default
[05:19] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[05:19] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Because it's not needed by default
[05:20] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: It's only needed if you want to change the defaults, like setting nvidia as the driver to use
[05:21] <syn-ack> I am starting to be thankful that X finally arrived to the 20th century and is having hal/dbus configure it
[05:22] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: This is what you want your Xorg.conf to have: http://pastebin.com/f65b4606e
[05:22] <xiambax_> so sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[05:22] <xiambax_> ?
[05:23] <DanaG> smooth move: the temperature-monitor widget shows all the meter names as "nperati"
[05:23] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: I thought that still created a default xorg.conf but it might not
[05:23] <DanaG> that is, the m gets cut off to look like an n, and the u turns into a dot-less 'i'.
[05:24] <DanaG> I can also make that icon hang entirely past the plasmoid's background.
[05:25] <xiambax_> dpkg-reconfigure doesnt work
[05:26] <xiambax_> just bumps me to a new prompt
[05:28] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and paste this into it: http://pastebin.com/f64841589
[05:30] <mercutio22> will I be able to recover GRUB after reinstalling windows according to the instructions documented in this link or will it be different for grub2? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Recovering GRUB after reinstalling Windows
[05:30] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: It's the same
[05:30] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: great. Thanks
[05:31] <xiambax_> i am currently apg-get remove and purging X
[05:31] <xiambax_> s/apt
[05:31] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Minus the part about adding a windows entry manually, grub2 uses a different format and detects other OS's automatically
[05:32] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: sounds improved
[05:32] <xiambax_> this sucks
[05:32] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: It's better in a lot of ways, and worse in a few
[05:32] <xiambax_> is there anything in my bios I can fix to resolve this issue
[05:33] <xiambax_> or determin whats causing it?
[05:33] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: whats worse?
[05:33] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: I just remembered there is a CLI front end to hardware-drivers, jocky-text
[05:34] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Some things are easier to configure in grub legacy than in grub2
[05:34] <xiambax_> its too late
[05:34] <xiambax_> i rebooted
[05:34] <xiambax_> and now.... console is flashing repeatedly
[05:34] <xiambax_> and it wont let me type
[05:35] <ID_10T_error> Where does one go to report an critical bug in the RC version of 9.10 (a bug that can prevent boot-up)?
[05:35] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: But for the most part configuration is much more sane, no more comments that aren't really comments, and each distro doing it differently
[05:35] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Boot into recovery mode
[05:36] <xiambax_> already have
[05:36] <xiambax_> now what?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Start a root shell and run "jockey-text"
[05:36] <xiambax_> im doing this from usb key
[05:36] <xiambax_> and its saying it cant load install cd
[05:38] <xiambax_> how can i chroot again
[05:38] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Are you in a live graphical environment right now?
[05:38] <xiambax_> no im at busybox console
[05:39] <xiambax_> im booting from usb key
[05:39] <xiambax_> and its saying it cant find cd medium
[05:39] <AfC> So this is a bit particular. GnuPG appears to have thrown away about 18 MB of my pubring. Not sure when this happened, exactly;
[05:39] <AfC> I just restored it, secring and trustdb from crypto backup [yes, itself encrypted, and in the safe].
[05:40] <AfC> I suspect it's something to do with Ubuntu still using gpg 1.x rather than the 2.0 that the distro I migrated from has been stable on for a while.
[05:40] <AfC> but it's kinda worrying to see anything screw up in those parts.
[05:40] <AfC> [it even lost the fact that my own key was ultimately trusted!]
[05:41] <xiambax_> eugh
[05:44] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Boot into your regular install holding down shift so that you see the grub menu, choose recovery mode
[05:49] <DanaG> wow, I didn't know Oxygen could change its theme.
[05:49] <DanaG> "Theme" is not in the Appearance thingy... it's under right-click-on-desktop!
[05:50] <xiambax_> I ran jockey-text and nothing came up on screen
[05:50] <xiambax_> is it possible my framebuffer is borked?
[05:50] <DanaG> weird... those don't actually affect windows.
[05:50] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: run "jockey-text --list"
[05:51] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: Then "jockey -e driver:whatever"
[05:51] <xiambax_> both show disabled
[05:51] <xiambax_> one says in use
[05:51] <xiambax_> nvidia 173 and nvidia 185.
[05:52] <xiambax_> i remember for 9.04 i need to install 173 i think
[05:52] <ericrw> Problems mounting new Karmic install: http://pastebin.com/m7eec5497
[05:52] <ericrw> rather, mounting the root-fs at boot
[05:54] <ericrw> (note, I do a debootstrap and install my own, but pretty standard /etc/fstab... this process has worked well since Breezy through Jaunty)
[05:55] <xiambax_> one sec
[05:55] <xiambax_> im figuring it out
[05:55] <xiambax_> i just enabled 173
[05:55] <xiambax_> i assume its downloading in the background
[06:00] <xiambax_> Yay
[06:00] <xiambax_> Thanks Jordan_U
[06:00] <xiambax_> That was painful but its working now
[06:01] <xiambax_> Thats weird it didnt work
[06:01] <Jordan_U> xiambax_: np
[06:02] <[V]ortex`> how do i upgrade to 9.10 from 9.04 later? by the terminal?
[06:03] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | [V]ortex`
[06:03] <[V]ortex`> ok thanks
[06:04] <[V]ortex`> Jordan_U: the page is for 9.04
[06:04] <[V]ortex`> is it the same for 9.10?
[06:04] <Jordan_U> [V]ortex`: Yes
[06:09] <StrangeCharm> how can i convert a dm-crypt volume from using passphrase authentication to mount at boot, to using key-files instead?
[06:09] <xiambax_> Jordan I was having kernel issues
[06:09] <xiambax_> I submitted bug number 422536
[06:10] <almoxarife> anyone had issues with converting a wubi karmic to ext4 format?
[06:10] <ericrw> does anyone know what is so royally backwards, that a standard partition and fstab file won't work anymore?
[06:20] <habanany> hey brothers, i have a question , i just set up a linksys router, I named and put a password but it does not show the lock logo, something wrong with that ?
[06:21] <Boohbah> ericrw: i dunno, did the installer try to reformat to ext4 or something?
[06:21] <ericrw> Boohbah: I didn't use an installer
[06:22] <ericrw> (debootstrap)
[06:22]  * molinero ubuntu lives!
[06:23] <habanany> i guess u did not understand my question
[06:24] <ericrw> Boohbah: I'm mounting the filesystem from my host system now (the Karmic partition is being used by a virtual machine)
[06:24] <gRnt> Hi all I have a quick question I am running 9.10 server RC, installed deluged, deluge, deluge-web and deluge-console everything seemed to install fine, when I run the deluged daemon via the terminal it throws back "[1] 1038". However I can not connect to the webUI at all, do I need to do any further configuration before this will work?
[06:25] <ericrw> there is nothing wrong with the filesystem and /etc/fstab is generic enough it would work on any Linux system back to 96' (well, except the fact that it is ext3.. ;-)
[06:30] <ericrw> hmm, I'm thinking that mountall requires a newer kernel
[06:30] <[V]ortex`> question: how to resume torrents download from winxp into 9.10 and vice versa?
[06:30] <rohan> [V]ortex`: use the same download location when you open the torrent into 9.10
[06:31] <rohan> it will automatically verify whatever % of data you have remaining
[06:31] <[V]ortex`> rohan: seamless resume? i thought 9.10 has some difficulty writing to ntfs?
[06:32] <rohan> [V]ortex`: ntfs write has been "fixed" since ntfs-3g was made default, i think since 8.04
[06:32] <rohan> so yes, you can write to ntfs seamlessly.
[06:32] <rohan> and resuming a torrent is a feature of the client/protocol, doesn't have anything to do with the underlying filesystem.
[06:32] <[V]ortex`> rohan: the opposite direction will work as well? from 9.10 to resume in xp?
[06:33] <rohan> yes
[06:33] <[V]ortex`> rohan: ty
[06:33] <rohan> as long as you keep the download location same everywhwere
[06:48] <[V]ortex`> is there a rollback function in 9.10 like winxp?
[06:49] <sagaci> [V]ortex`: now
[06:49] <sagaci> no
[06:50] <[V]ortex`> saagaci: any plans for it in future versions?
[06:51] <sagaci> [V]ortex`: don't knoq
[06:51] <sagaci> [V]ortex`: just backup your files
[06:52] <hrishi> any word on the distro?
[06:52] <dmatt> [V]ortex`: what would you like to roolback?
[06:54] <[V]ortex`> dmatt: nt in particular. just exploring.
[06:54] <der_schreiner> does someone know which time gmt the release will be out?
[06:55] <[V]ortex`> not sure, just within 24hrs
[06:55] <Boohbah> der_schreiner: /j #ubuntu-release-party
[06:55] <dmatt> der_schreiner: only date is set; so I suppose when all mirrors will be synchronised and sabdfl says yes, it will be declared out
[06:55] <der_schreiner>  /j #ubuntu-release-par
[06:56] <quiescens> ty
[06:57] <der_schreiner> ty
[06:57] <sagaci> ty
[06:58] <sagaci> this channel is pretty much dead till they change it to 10.04 cycle
[06:59] <almoxarife> kernel: [ 1838.485982] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descriptor] <--- what's it mean? errors found on drive?
[07:02] <almoxarife> no takers?
[07:02] <lemonade> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/scsi-sense-key-errors.html
[07:02] <lemonade> i'd trust that one
[07:02] <almoxarife> thnks
[07:03] <lemonade> btw, is that sdc hard drive or dvd/cd-rom?
[07:04] <almoxarife> hard drive via usb
[07:04] <lemonade> ok
[07:04] <lemonade> my bet would be check the usb-cable
[07:05] <almoxarife> the usb cable is ok, there is another usb drive on the same cable, sdb, no errors
[07:06] <almoxarife> sdc is like 7-9 years old
[07:07] <kahrytan> I need help reinstalling grub2 from live cd
[07:07] <kahrytan> Anyone?
[07:07] <kahrytan> Hello?
[07:08] <sagaci> kahrytan: go thru installation and don't format anything then install bootloader at the end
[07:08] <dmatt> !grub2 | kahrytan
[07:09] <kahrytan> dmatt,  and that doesnt work.
[07:09] <n512> recovered error probably means a correctable ECC error.
[07:09] <n512> if the drive supports SMART, check the counters.
[07:09] <dmatt> kahrytan: specify what went wrong then
[07:09] <kahrytan> I need help reinstalling grub2 from live cd.  ubuntu help or wiki pages arent helping
[07:09] <n512> this doesn't sound like a +1 release query :)
[07:09] <kahrytan> dmatt,  i cant chroot to hdd
[07:10] <kahrytan> dmatt,  ive mounted the partition to a /media folder
[07:10] <dmatt> kahrytan: what did it say when you tried to chroot?
[07:10] <kahrytan> I dont know if i did bind right
[07:11] <jussi01> kahrytan: what is the error grub is giving you?
[07:11] <kahrytan> the wiki doesnt make sense
[07:11] <dmatt> kahrytan:  its step by step here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[07:12] <dmatt> kahrytan: did you follow it exactly or did you do it your way?
[07:12] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Why can't you chroot? 64 bit system and 32 bit liveCD?
[07:12] <kahrytan> jussi01,  i think 5
[07:13] <kahrytan> let me check
[07:16] <alokito> how many hours left till the final release?
[07:17] <Deathvalley122> lol
[07:17] <Deathvalley122> I don't know
[07:17] <alokito> ok
[07:17] <vega-> alokito: 3 hours 6 minutes 2 seconds
[07:17] <Deathvalley122> <_<
[07:17] <alokito> k :D
[07:18] <Deathvalley122> I'm bored and still waiting
[07:18] <n512> and how many jiffies, exactly?
[07:18]  * n512 picks 42, the universal answer
[07:18] <Deathvalley122> I need something to do maybe tetris will occupy me
[07:19] <n512> go build a kernel
[07:19] <n512> or better yet.. build gnome from source
[07:19] <n512> that should keep you busy a while.
[07:19] <Deathvalley122> LOL
[07:19] <Deathvalley122> I suck at compiling
[07:20] <Deathvalley122> I uber fail at it
[07:20] <kahrytan> jussi01,  it's Error 15
[07:20] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: That's simple then, you don't have grub2 installed to the MBR
[07:20] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  it's probably because of Windows 7
[07:21] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:21] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  and thats on entirely different hdd
[07:22] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  thats for grub
[07:22] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: It's probably not, the problem is that you have a grub legacy stage one and a GRUB2 stage 2 ( core.img / boot.img / modules )
[07:23] <jussi01> kahrytan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 has info.
[07:23] <kahrytan> Jordan_U_,  it's Grub 2
[07:23] <Jordan_U_> kahrytan: Those instructions will work with grub2 and grub ( except for the last part about adding a windows entry
[07:23] <kahrytan> jussi01,  last time i read the post, i wanted to bite your head off.
[07:24] <jussi01> kahrytan: and last time it fixed your issue. so please, read again.
[07:25] <kahrytan> jussi01,  its also in ubuntu help and it didnt work
[07:26] <kahrytan> jussi01, whats this, sudo mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[07:26] <Jordan_U> kahrytan: It makes your devices available in the chroot
[07:27] <kahrytan> jussi01,  why /mnt/dev  ?
[07:27] <Jordan_U> kahrytan: If you didn't mount your Ubuntu partition to /mnt then that command will not work
[07:28] <Misantropo> my SCIM + Anthy for Japanese input isn't working anymore since i upgraded to Karmic RC
[07:28] <almoxarife> what do I gain by going to grub2?
[07:29] <kahrytan> oops
[07:29] <kahrytan> I made a mistake
[07:29] <kahrytan> I installed grub on the partition
[07:29] <Wargasm> generally you won't gain anything from grub2
[07:30] <Wargasm> its just a boot loader
[07:30] <kahrytan> Is it possible to removve grub2 from a partition ?
[07:46] <ninjaII> When!  When!  When!  When!  When!
[07:46] <ninjaII> xD
[07:47] <Machtin> in 5 days ;)
[07:47] <ninjaII> hahahah thanks :)
[07:47] <zipito> good day
[07:48] <zipito> is the 9.10 released?
[07:48] <zipito> can I upgrade ?
[07:48] <jussi01> !isitout
[07:48] <ninjaII> lol now its 6 because of you!
[07:48] <ninjaII> :P
[07:48] <zipito> join #ubuntu-release-party
[07:50] <lenios> hey wait, is it october 29? does that mean... yeah, november in three days!
[07:50] <Deathvalley122> lol
[07:51] <lenios> can't believe it
[07:51]  * Deathvalley122 gets his check tomorrow
[08:02] <Laibcoms> yep!  google check! hehe
[08:02] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:02] <Deathvalley122> no
[08:02] <Deathvalley122> my government check
[08:03] <Laibcoms> ahh :D
[08:03] <Deathvalley122> ssi
[08:03] <Laibcoms> payday!  (need to get a new day job tho :p )
[08:03] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:03] <coz_> hey guys  .. I found  the images for the xplash  and grub2 images  but I cant find where the single white ubuntu logo may be...anyone?
[08:07] <Deathvalley122> I'm so bloody tired
[08:07] <almoxarife> someone has the link for going from ext3 to ext4 on karmic
[08:07] <almoxarife> ?
[08:07] <Deathvalley122> mhm
[08:07] <Deathvalley122> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-convert-ext3-to-ext4-file-system.html
[08:08] <megamanx1978_> Anyone here?
[08:10] <MightyTweek> megamanx1978_, nope
[08:10] <almoxarife> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConvertFilesystemToExt4 , I think I like ubuntu's spin on it better
[08:10] <almoxarife> thanks
[08:13] <megamanx1978_> What is new in ubuntu 9.10
[08:13] <TheInfinity> nothing.
[08:13] <Deathvalley122> lot's of things megamanx1978_
[08:14] <Deathvalley122> bug fixes for one
[08:14] <megamanx1978_> What are the big things?
[08:14] <Deathvalley122> and a new file system
[08:14] <TheInfinity> .oO((reading release notes and googling seems to be very difficult))
[08:14] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  grub2  particularly
[08:16] <LSD|Ninja> Font rendering seems to have improved, text doesn't look like ass anymore. There's still too much brown in the themes, but that'll never change
[08:16] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/20/whats-new-in-ubuntu-910/
[08:16] <Deathvalley122> I'm .... soooo ..... bloody .... tired ....
[08:16] <coz_> Deathvalley122,  dude  go to bed :)
[08:16] <Deathvalley122> no I'm waiting
[08:18] <[V]ortex`> i like brown
[08:18] <LSD|Ninja> heh, the machine I plan on installing karmic onto first won't even be remotely ready until about 0900-1000 tomorrow so I don't mind the wait :P
[08:18] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:18] <Myxb> was anybody able to set cli resolution to anything other than the default with grub2? i followed several how-tos and all i get is either garbled screen or the default resolution. the vga option is fazed out but gxfpayload does not work for me :( maybe just my hardware?
[08:18] <Deathvalley122> it's suppose to be released soon
[08:18] <coz_> [V]ortex`,  are you saying you like that muddy image behind the white logo and antiquated throbber progress bar? :)
[08:19] <[V]ortex`> coz: yes
[08:19] <LSD|Ninja> coz_: That article mentions it's possible to have the shutdown options in their proper place even with the indicator applet running. How does that work? I never noticed it in any of my beta/rc installs...
[08:19] <coz_> LSD|Ninja,  link me to that article again sorry   I didnt hodl on to it
[08:19] <[V]ortex`> question: when i upgrade from 9.04, will my settings be retained? like browser, shortcuts, desktop panels etc
[08:20] <LSD|Ninja> coz_:  http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/20/whats-new-in-ubuntu-910/
[08:20] <Deathvalley122> mmm empathy that looks good
[08:20] <LSD|Ninja> I don't recall seeing a GNOME control center entry in the menus either...
[08:21] <coz_> LSD|Ninja,   you got me on that one guy sorry
[08:22] <joaopinto> [V]ortex`, yes
[08:22] <coz_> Deathvalley122,   I am not particularly impressed with empathy.... pidgin   although lacking in video chat  is a nicer "non gnome created:"  application  in my opinion
[08:23] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:23] <Deathvalley122> I don't know much about it
[08:23] <LSD|Ninja> Dumping Pidgin was also a wise move, but I tend to agree that its premature
[08:23] <Deathvalley122> but then again
[08:23] <Deathvalley122> I hated pidgin
[08:24] <joaopinto> empathy is not fully usable yet, IMO
[08:24] <megamanx1978_> You said that the update from 9.04 to 9.10 wont be ready til 9 or 10 am?
[08:24] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  well Its not actually released  right now
[08:25] <Deathvalley122> coz_:
[08:25] <coz_> megamanx1978_,   although my guess is if you open a terminal and type   update-manager -d  it will upgrade
[08:25] <megamanx1978_> When is the release?
[08:25] <Deathvalley122> it will be soon
[08:25] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  however I wouldnt do that since tomorrow is the planned release date
[08:25] <LSD|Ninja> megamanx1978_: No, I said the machine I planned to install it on first won't be reasy until then (the glue is still curing. I have to put it all back together and score a CD drive for it) so I can affiord to wait at least that long :P
[08:25] <chazco> Hi :) On 9.10 my touchscreen is finally supported as long as I use a custom fdi file (using the default hal .fdi file causes a system crash). Can I submit this to Ubuntu without joining launchpad?
[08:26] <Deathvalley122> tomorrow is today for me lol
[08:26] <Deathvalley122> it's like 1:30 AM
[08:26] <LSD|Ninja> Thu 29 Oct 2009 16:26:24 WST
[08:26] <LSD|Ninja> :P
[08:26] <coz_> chazco,  oo  I dont know... I have always registered there
[08:26] <joaopinto> chazco, the proper way to submit patches is using launchpad
[08:27] <megamanx1978_> Isnt -d for delete?
[08:27] <chazco> coz_ & joaopinto - Thanks, though as much. Trying to avoid yet another online account :)
[08:28] <joaopinto> megamanx1978_, -d is for development
[08:28] <coz_> chazco,  well this one may be a beneficial one not only for bug reported but as mentioned submitting patches... good way to contribute?
[08:28] <LSD|Ninja> megamanx1978_: update-manager -d is distribution upgrade I belkieve
[08:28] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, no, -d is for devel-release
[08:28] <chazco> coz_ - I guess so, i'll think about it :)
[08:29] <coz_> chazco,   there you go !  that's all that can be asked of you :)
[08:29] <Deathvalley122> screw it I can't wait I'm going to bed I guess I'll upgrade when I wake up which will 12 PM or something
[08:29] <coz_> Deathvalley122,  sounds like a resonable and healthy plan :)
[08:29] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:30] <Deathvalley122> surprised I made it this far
[08:31] <Deathvalley122> but then again I'll probably get higlighted from me staff :(
[08:32] <megamanx1978_> Updateing to 9.10
[08:32] <Deathvalley122> megamanx1978_:
[08:32] <niekie> That isn't out yet, is it?
[08:32] <Deathvalley122> I wouldn't do it yet
[08:33] <niekie> Just wait a moment, it'll be nearly released :)
[08:33] <Deathvalley122> it's not quite released
[08:33] <megamanx1978_> Is 9.10 faster than 9.04
[08:33] <Deathvalley122> yes
[08:33] <idyllic> no
[08:33] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  it is  particularly the boot sequence but the appearnce of the sequence leaves much to be desired
[08:34]  * Deathvalley122 needs more server techs and developers for his company
[08:35] <megamanx1978_> Actually I am using ultimate edition linux so the brown is not a issue
[08:35] <DrMrHorse> wut
[08:36] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  I see ..well the brown on karmic is more like mud  during the boot sequence  not actually a clear appealing colour
[08:36] <coz_> megamanx1978_,  however you can change some of the under /usr/share/images
[08:37] <Deathvalley122> alright night off to bed
[08:37] <megamanx1978_> Ultimate Edition is basicly ubuntu with alot of goodies
[08:39] <megamanx1978_> Codecs/Games/Programs/Wallpapers ect
[08:46] <Ian_Corne> is there a specific channel for evolution?
[08:46] <LSD|Ninja> ##catholic-church
[09:03] <DeSian_> hi, what is happen with ubuntu karmic, i have the last alpha installed but i can't download or upgrade the system apt-get update && apt-get upgrade don't play any error, but by installing package "not package found pidgin" ...etc
[09:03] <gypsymauro> hi
[09:04] <gypsymauro> I downloaded daily snapshot (27/10) but X.org crashes on a virtualbox machine
[09:04] <gypsymauro> it's a known problem?
[09:06] <DeSian_> any idea?
[09:06] <dmatt> DeSian_: repositories might be down because final release is being uploaded there right now
[09:06] <DeSian_> since yesterday is the same
[09:09] <slytherin> DeSian_: May be it is problem with the mirror you are using
[09:09] <slytherin> dmatt: Repositories are never down for a release.
[09:09] <DeSian_> slytherin, is miror from ubuntu
[09:09] <slytherin> DeSian_: theer are hundreds of mirrors of ubuntu.
[09:10] <om26er> !purelxde
[09:10] <DeSian_> slytherin, i think dmatt is right and you say just wrong things
[09:10] <DeSian_> it more than xxx time ubuntu server completely down
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> !yourmom
[09:10] <dmatt> slytherin: I meant mirror he uses
[09:11] <DeSian_> slytherin, the miror is from ubuntu self
[09:11] <dmatt> DeSian_: slytherin is basically saying the same thing as I did
[09:11] <DeSian_> is wrong
[09:11] <slytherin> DeSian_: what is the url used in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:11] <DeSian_> if say that too
[09:12] <dmatt> just run update and upgrade again and watch for errorrs
[09:12] <DeSian_> is the same sources list from last alpha version, ididn't touch the sources.list
[09:12] <dmatt> it is the same
[09:12] <DeSian_> dmatt, are you kidding me?
[09:12] <DeSian_> look my question again^^
[09:13] <penyshocker> helo
[09:13] <DeSian_> update && upgrade doesn't play any errors
[09:13] <penyshocker> i'm afraid of updating to lunatic lemur?
[09:13] <dmatt> DeSian_: did you not overlook something?
[09:13] <DeSian_> dmatt, nothing
[09:13] <penyshocker> i just overclock my watch, so the day goes faster
[09:14] <dmatt> DeSian_: I actually do not understand that part saying: but by installing package "not package found pidgin" ...etc
[09:15] <DeSian_> dmatt, NO PACKAGE CAN BE DOWNLOADED!
[09:15] <dmatt> DeSian_: what is actual error message
[09:15] <DeSian_> if you run apt-get install dmattsoftware is a same if you run apt-get install pidgin
[09:15] <joaopinto> !caps | DeSian_
[09:16] <joaopinto> DeSian_, if you dont get any errors, and the package is not found, it means you don't have the required repositories conifgured
[09:16] <DeSian_> dmatt, i said again is no error message
[09:16] <joaopinto> DeSian_, go to software sources, and enable the repositories
[09:16] <DeSian_> joaopinto, is mean you are wrong, read my question again
[09:17] <DeSian_> joaopinto, I dont use gnome, or kde or xfce desktop!
[09:17] <joaopinto> DeSian_, I have read your question, and I am not wrong
[09:17] <zoug> DeSian_: he is right
[09:17] <dmatt> DeSian_: you just run apt-get and it finishes without action and without any message?
[09:18] <joaopinto> DeSian_, if pidgin is not available, as in, package not found, it means you don't have the "main" repository enabled
[09:18] <dmatt> DeSian_: pastebin output here
[09:18] <DeSian_> /etc/apt/sources.list is absolutely OK and original from ubuntu
[09:18] <joaopinto> assuming that apt-get update does run fine as you described
[09:18] <joaopinto> DeSian_, apt-cache policy pidgin
[09:18] <DeSian_> joaopinto, is available main + backports also
[09:18] <DeSian_> joaopinto, none
[09:19] <joaopinto> DeSian_, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[09:19] <DeSian_> joaopinto, i can't because is of another PC and is no desktop
[09:20] <DeSian_> apt-cache policy pidgin  W: unable to locate package pidgin
[09:20] <joaopinto> DeSian_, ok, so to make sure we are clear, if sudo apt-get update does not fail, and pidgin is not available, it means either you are getting in an erroneus mirror, which is very unlikely, or you don't have main enabled, which is more likely
[09:21] <slytherin> DeSian_: Let me try again. It will be great if you can tell us mirror being used so that we can check if that mirror is having any problem. Otherwise I don't think we can help you.
[09:21] <ktwo_> hi can any1 tell me how i can change the icons of the messenger on the top right panel? (with 9.04 pidgin created a green bubble when online) and now it is a grey talk-bubble
[09:22] <DeSian_> i have this error now " W: failed to fetch http://dk.arch...etc sources.bz2 hash Sum nismatch" and E: some index files failed to download .....they have been ignored or old ones used instead
[09:22] <joaopinto> DeSian_, so you do have errors after all
[09:23] <joaopinto> DeSian_, change to a different mirror, and apt-get update
[09:23] <DeSian_> slytherin, is of another pc and is no desktop and can't install irrsi to come her
[09:23] <slytherin> DeSian_: When you go there, try replacing dk.archive.ubuntu.com with simply archive.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <DeSian_> joaopinto, how changing ? if i have no browser nothing on this pc no editor
[09:24] <eagles0513875> hey guys :) nice work on the new plasma-widget-network-manager for kubuntu :) im finally able to connect to my schools wifi on a wpa2 enterprise connection
[09:24] <joaopinto> DeSian_, you have removed the base text editor, nano ??
[09:24] <joaopinto> DeSian_, you have a text mode editor, unless you removed it, which would be very bad
[09:24] <zoug> DeSian_: simply open the software sources from the system menu
[09:24] <joaopinto> zoug, he doesn't have X
[09:24] <zoug> oh
[09:25] <DeSian_> zoug, heheh
[09:25] <zoug> lol
[09:25] <joaopinto> DeSian_, erm, wait, you don't have windows manager and you want to install pidgin ?
[09:25] <joaopinto> DeSian_, anywya, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:27] <zoug> DeSian_: i dont know but try this: change your tty to tty7, im not sure: press ctrl+alt+f7, then may be you get the window manager up
[09:27] <DeSian_> huraaa! remove the dk. from the sources.list and worked
[09:28] <DeSian_> thnxk all
[09:28] <eagles0513875> is there a linux equivalent to ultrasurf
[09:28] <ktwo> can anyone tell me how i can change the icon on the top right panel near the user ? the status-icon i mean
[09:29] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, what is that ?
[09:29] <zoug> joaopinto:UltraSurf allows you to overcome the censorship and blockage on the Internet. You can browse any website freely, so as to obtain true information from the ...
[09:30] <eagles0513875> ty zoug
[09:30] <joaopinto> zoug, that is just a vaporware description, what does it do ?
[09:30] <slytherin> eagles0513875: there is something called tor, not sure how equivalent it is.
[09:30] <eagles0513875> !info tor
[09:30] <joaopinto> is it an anonymizer ?
[09:30] <eagles0513875> you could call it that joaopinto
[09:30] <eagles0513875> !tor
[09:31] <joaopinto> ok, so it's a tor clone
[09:31] <zoug> eagles, try a firefox addon
[09:31] <eagles0513875> zoug: what one i cant download anything right now i would have to go to osx partition to download anythign as i have an xp vm with ultrasurf
[09:32] <dhq> when will karamic koala be released
[09:32] <syn-ack> dhq, hrm,,, when they release it?
[09:32] <vega-> *sigh*
[09:32] <eagles0513875> today sometime
[09:32] <dhq> hmm i cant wait :D
[09:32] <vega-> why wait?
[09:33] <eagles0513875> lol dhq then get on the rc
[09:33] <vega-> just upgrade now
[09:33] <eagles0513875> then you can download the updates
[09:33] <eagles0513875> ill be back on later guys
[09:33] <syn-ack> I wish they would just push it already so this question will end and we can move on
[09:33] <dhq> sudo upgrade-manager -d
[09:34] <syn-ack> do-release-upgrade -d also works
[09:34] <dhq> update
[09:34] <CrocoJet> good morning everyone !
[09:34] <almoxarife> is there a fix to the hanging at re-start and shutdown?
[09:35] <CrocoJet> sounds .. nothing .. yet
[09:36] <zetheroo1> tick tock
[09:38] <zetheroo1> PartyBot1 ... you got to tell me ... and I got to know .. is it out yet?  ................ waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit for iiiit .....
[09:38] <soreau> Is grub and/or grub2 compatible to boot win7?
[09:38] <Degot> hi, all... i`ve installed kvm virt-manager... and created 2 vm`s... i can ping them from host (host  -> guest), but i can`t ping from guest to guest ...any ideas?
[09:39] <zetheroo1> things went quiet in here
[09:39] <coz_> well it is the day of release
[09:39] <coz_> rather the day before release
[09:40] <Lazy> soreau: i would think so
[09:40] <coz_> depending on your global location
[09:40] <dmatt> soreau: both
[09:40] <soreau> dmatt: Ok thanks
[09:47] <CrocoJet> will be one true war to   d..o..w..n..l..o..a..d
[09:49] <nullbyte> is ubuntu 9.10 already released?
[09:49] <nullbyte> or yet to be released?
[09:49] <nullbyte> :)
[09:49] <CrocoJet> no news
[09:50] <CrocoJet> sounds that they are getting big problems
[09:50] <coz_> nullbyte,  well it is set to be released sometime today   I dont if that has changes  although that is the schedule
[09:50] <nullbyte> the countdown is not showing the number of days/hours anymore
[09:50] <nullbyte> very strange:S
[09:50] <nullbyte> :S
[09:50] <CrocoJet> suspect that be "hal" ... reason of delay
[09:51] <nullbyte> oh
[09:51] <coz_> nullbyte,  I cant get onto the release schedule site  ...it must be bombarded righ t now
[09:51] <nullbyte> looool
[09:51] <nullbyte> true
[09:51] <vega-> there should be an automatic kickban for asking "is it out yet" on this channel
[09:52] <coz_> nullbyte,  there is this   http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-10-Release-Schedule-105924.shtml
[09:52] <nullbyte> why vega-?
[09:52] <nullbyte> ty coz_
[09:52] <Sensiva> Hello All, I have hardy installed on (hd0) and Karmic on (hd2), can I chainload grub2 from grub legacy?
[09:52] <CrocoJet> Iif not problem with "hal" package ... then unique problem is ... BUSH !!!
[09:53] <dmatt> Sensiva: you can, i have that setup for testing as well
[09:53] <Sensiva> dmatt how?
[09:54] <Alan> hal is deprecated?
[09:54] <Alan> wtf?  hal's only been around for like 4 years or so
[09:54] <nullbyte> wow...coz_ ur right..cant get into the releaseschedule site
[09:54] <nullbyte> :|
[09:54] <Alan> seems like they've only just finally integrated hal perfectly, and now they're ripping it out again?
[09:55] <dmatt> Sensiva: by editing menu.lst for grub 1
[09:55] <Sensiva> dmatt lol I know I should edit menu.lst, I wanna know what to add in menu.lst to chainload into grub2 in (hd2) :D
[09:56] <slytherin> Alan: It is deprecated by the hal developers themselves.
[09:56] <dmatt> wait, i am checking it
[09:56] <coz_> Sensiva,  out of   curiosity...why the nick "sensiva"  referencing to windows mouse gesture recognition application now no longer available
[09:56] <slytherin> Sensiva: grub2 installation should have prompted you to chainload
[09:56] <Alan> slytherin: so mostly a case of "hmm, actually, we didn't quite get it right, let's try it a different way?"
[09:56] <nullbyte> r they removing alsa this time around?:-/
[09:56] <coz_> Sensiva,  also if  no one can help here  you can can try either  #grub  or ##linux channel
[09:56] <Alan> also, does pulseaudio get any better in this release?
[09:56] <vivainio> they didn't like how hard to maintaint hal codebase had got
[09:56] <slytherin> Alan: I don't know. I am not one of the developers
[09:57] <vivainio> so they are doing something simpler
[09:57] <coz_> nullbyte,  well gnome is becoming more and more integrated with pulseaudio  ...I dont like that because it iwll cause trouble down the line but there you go
[09:57] <vivainio> and moving some responsibilites out from hal
[09:57] <Alan> I'm still getting slightly annoyed by the fact that it sucks for any kind of audio from Wine...
[09:57] <Alan> or for audio from games
[09:57] <Alan> vivainio: interesting
[09:57] <Sensiva> coz_ No idea, that nick came to me while I was dreaming :p
[09:57] <dmatt> Sensiv
[09:58] <Sensiva> dmatt yes
[09:58] <Alan> vivainio: does that mean we're losing all the "hacky but useful" .fdi stuff then?
[09:58] <coz_> Sensiva,  very cool   it was the exact name of windows mouse gesture recognition  :)
[09:58] <Alan> that's was the only way I could get my mouse buttons mapped the way i wanted in Jaunty...
[09:58] <nullbyte> i read in one of the forums that pulse audio even casues the flash to slow down on gnome environment..especially on debian based distro's
[09:58] <dmatt> Sensiva: you edit menu list by : sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:58] <nullbyte> :-/
[09:58] <Sensiva> coz_ yeah I knew that later,, and guess what its a cool sw
[09:58] <vivainio> Alan, don't know exact idea. what I remember is that they move more responsibility to udev
[09:58] <Sensiva> dmatt and then?
[09:59] <dmatt> Sensiva: at the end of file add theese 3 lines:
[10:00] <dmatt> Name
[10:00] <dmatt> rootnoverify (hd0,2)
[10:00] <dmatt> chainloader +1
[10:00] <dmatt> thats it
[10:00] <Sensiva> I tried chainloader +1 and it gave me an error
[10:01] <Sensiva> Err 13
[10:01] <dmatt> Sensiva: you have to send it to correct partition
[10:01] <slytherin> Sensiva: I suggest doing dpkg-reconfigure grub2 (or grub-pc).
[10:01] <dmatt> slytherin: he want to chainload grub1->grub2
[10:02] <dmatt> wants
[10:02] <Sensiva> dmatt I will try this
[10:02] <slytherin> dmatt: I know, grub2 configuration should offer that option
[10:03] <dmatt> if it doesnt work, then you shoul probably chnage number 2 in (hd0,2) string to correct one for your installtion
[10:03] <dmatt> slytherin: oh, does it?
[10:05] <slytherin> dmatt: yes it does
[10:06] <dmatt> slytherin: regardles what partition you boot from?
[10:07] <slytherin> dmatt: yes
[10:08] <tag> I'm getting a segfault from java :-( (sun-java6-*)
[10:09] <coz_> tag,  during install?
[10:09] <Sensiva> dmatt It gave me the same error :\
[10:10] <tag> coz_: no, running it
[10:10] <domjohnson> Hello
[10:10] <domjohnson> Did anyone else find there were no updates today?
[10:10] <slytherin> tag: What are you trying to run?
[10:10] <coz_> tag,   mm  are you trying to run a java application or  the mozilla  java plugin or .... ?
[10:10] <tag> a java application
[10:11] <dmatt> Sensiva: it should be (hd0,1) if you have it on hda2, because it's counting from zero
[10:11] <slytherin> domjohnson: what did you expect?
[10:11] <slytherin> tag: which application?
[10:11] <tag> slytherin: soapui-pro
[10:11] <domjohnson> slytherin: some updates today :P
[10:11] <tag> http://pastebin.ca/1647623
[10:11] <coz_> domjohnson,  it is release day so no updates  for the day
[10:11] <domjohnson> Ahh
[10:11] <domjohnson> ok
[10:12] <domjohnson> :)
[10:12] <tag> you can download soapui pro here (http://www.eviware.com/images/stories/dl/pro/3_0_1/soapui-pro-3.0.1-linux-bin.zip)
[10:12] <domjohnson> I thought that might be the case
[10:12] <Sensiva> dmatt grub2 is installed on a harddrive with single partition so it is (hd2,0) in my case. If its a partition address problem it would gave me a different error msg like invalid or not existing partition
[10:12] <tag> Luckily, you don't need a license to get the segfault.
[10:12] <tag> Here's what the JVM has to say about it:
[10:12] <tag> http://pastebin.ca/1647623
[10:13] <slytherin> tag: file a bug
[10:13] <coz_> tag,  let me download this and test
[10:13] <dmatt> Sensiva: what is the exact error again?
[10:14] <JoshuaL> pretty funny to see someone use the nick sensiva
[10:14] <JoshuaL> since thats the name of my company :P
[10:14] <Sensiva> Error 13: "Invalid or unsupported executable format"
[10:14] <Sensiva> JoshuaL :D
[10:14] <Aranel> is it released?
[10:14] <tag> I'm also getting a segfault from another application...
[10:14] <coz_> JoshuaL,  what does your company do?  that use to be the name of a mouse gesture application
[10:15] <JoshuaL> coz_, webhosting
[10:15] <JoshuaL> its dutch anyways
[10:15] <dmatt> Sensiva, do you get this for grub1 or grub2?
[10:15] <Sensiva> dmatt grub1 (legacy grub)
[10:17] <dmatt> do you see grub menu after start?
[10:18] <bcj> I have a rough idea of what needs to be done to install 9.10 server to a CompactFlash card (mount most of the filesystem RO, etc), however are there any Ubuntu tutorials for such a task?
[10:19] <Sensiva> dmatt yeah :D
[10:19] <Sensiva> dmatt I will give this a try <fezie> Sensiva: kernel /boot/grub/core.img
[10:19] <Tesssa> it's now 29-10-209 the realease date for ubuntu 9.10 the website just says coming soon anyone tell me when
[10:19] <bcj> Tesssa: Read the chat topic :)
[10:20] <Sensiva> lol
[10:20] <Sensiva> Tesssa give it sometime till all official mirrors sync, but don't worry it will be today
[10:20] <bcj> Tesssa: I think "when it's ready" is the best answer you'll get from anyone.
[10:20] <Light-> Tesssa, join #ubuntu-release-party
[10:20] <Tesssa> ok thanks
[10:21] <bcj> Tesssa: I've been holding off asking the same question.
[10:25] <CopyWriter> ok i wont' ask when i'd only ask just about what time
[10:25] <CopyWriter> :)
[10:25] <CopyWriter> i can't wait
[10:25] <Boohbah> why does my network-manager refuse to restart?
[10:25] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: been to the ubuntu-release-party ?
[10:25] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: #ubuntu-release-party ?
[10:25] <CopyWriter> still there
[10:26] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: thats one crazy channel :)
[10:26] <CopyWriter> i'm hearing that it's been delayed till november 5th
[10:26] <nigel_nb> hehe.. thats the bot
[10:26] <CopyWriter> lol, ok
[10:26] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: the dev team is updating wiki pages for new release
[10:26] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: so must come out soon
[10:27] <CopyWriter> soon as in today
[10:27] <CopyWriter> or soon as in few days from now
[10:27] <nigel_nb> soon as in 1 or 2 hours
[10:27] <CopyWriter> YES
[10:27] <CopyWriter> i'm staying home then
[10:27] <CopyWriter> this is important
[10:27] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: take it easy...all severs will be swaped for 2 days
[10:27] <jmadgin> ne1 know what time koala comes out?
[10:28] <CopyWriter> oh god no
[10:28] <CopyWriter> swapped for two days
[10:28] <CopyWriter> if i buy myself a seedbox would i get it faster
[10:29] <mykel> here http://mirror.lupaworld.com/ubuntu/releases/9.10/ China mirror ?
[10:29] <nigel_nb> mykel: doesnt look official
[10:29] <mykel> but oh, it is ^_^
[10:30] <mykel> mirrors mirror and it takes time, so they get done first
[10:30] <mykel> in any case it doesnt matter. wait two hours.
[10:30] <mykel> for a torrent
[10:30] <CopyWriter> temptation temptation
[10:30] <Tesssa> will just have to be patient
[10:30] <nigel_nb> 2 hours?
[10:30] <mykel> its a rough guesstimate
[10:31] <nigel_nb> mykel: since the dev team is working on the wiki, i think its close
[10:31] <CopyWriter> so even when it is released because of the share volume it's going to take days to download, is that it?
[10:31] <mykel> well ONE mirror has got to be first :P
[10:31] <mykel> then others happen to finish mirroring
[10:31] <syn-ack> mykel,  the main mirror
[10:31] <mykel> and availablility goes up
[10:31] <syn-ack> ;)
[10:32] <mykel> CopyWriter, negative, wait for a torrent
[10:32] <syn-ack> CopyWriter, This is the why I got all my upgrading done first
[10:32] <mykel> that way everyone will get it pretty much instantly (or at least, at max bandwidth of your connection)
[10:32] <CopyWriter> ah
[10:32] <CopyWriter> i get it
[10:32] <syn-ack> no downloading an is just dist-upgraded and now I laugh
[10:33] <Tesssa> didnt know you could upgrade from 9.4 to 9.10
[10:33] <mykel> upgrading is for sissies
[10:33] <Tesssa> but then only been a ubuntu for a few months
[10:33] <almoxarife> I don't understand something, is there suppose to be some great diff between the release and rc?
[10:33] <mykel> partition properly and clean installs arent a difficult process
[10:33] <nigel_nb> Tesssa: u can... to the release candidate
[10:34] <syn-ack> almoxarife, not really...
[10:34] <nigel_nb> almoxarife: yea
[10:34] <CopyWriter> i got both my desktops to install, both laptops, and my 7 pc's at the office, also my mothers desktop, sister's laptop, and my sister inlaw
[10:34] <nigel_nb> almoxarife: GRUB 2
[10:34] <almoxarife> so what's the hype?
[10:34] <CopyWriter> today is going to be exciting
[10:34] <mykel> almoxarife, official-ness
[10:34] <syn-ack> nigel_nb, thats not really all that major
[10:34] <Tesssa> ah but the release candidate is not the final version is it
[10:34] <CopyWriter> i like ubuntu cuz i keep crashing windows
[10:34] <nigel_nb> almoxarife: everything else is bragging rights :D
[10:34] <CopyWriter> i sneeze and poof something breaks in windows
[10:35] <nigel_nb> syn-ack: thats not major or minor.. thats only only official change... rest all small small changes
[10:35] <tag> mykel: clean installs are fine I just get annoyed with spending the next two weeks lazy-loading all the tools I use.
[10:35] <syn-ack> Right and they asked if it was a major change... honestly,... not really
[10:35] <almoxarife> I installed grub2 on mint on a vm, I don't get the big change, must of missed something
[10:35] <syn-ack> imnho, that is
[10:36] <syn-ack> almoxarife, Someone like yourself probably wont... no offense
[10:36] <mykel> tag, i dont trust the upgrade process to not break everything anyway :(
[10:36] <Tesssa> i use xubuntu i do love that
[10:36] <syn-ack> almoxarife, more advanced users, do
[10:36] <CopyWriter> i read sometime ago that this release uses ext4 by default can anyone confirm
[10:36] <syn-ack> almoxarife, ACK
[10:36] <joaopinto> CopyWriter, it does
[10:36] <nigel_nb> syn-ack: i agree actually
[10:36] <syn-ack> Wrong person... I was thinking you were Tesssa
[10:36] <nigel_nb> syn-ack: basically it all comes down to bragging
[10:36] <tag> mykel: I don't really either.  It usually does.
[10:36] <Tesssa> i am tessa
[10:36] <mykel> im off boys (and our lady-friends)
[10:37] <mykel> luck to all
[10:37] <Tesssa> or Tesssa
[10:37] <CopyWriter> thanks joaopinto
[10:37] <almoxarife> syn-ack: I did upgrade from ext3 to ext4 and I see why its worth it, but I am slow like that
[10:37] <syn-ack> nigel_nb, more or less... and I'd rather be smart than bragish
[10:37] <joaopinto> almoxarife, upgrading from ext3 to 4 does not provide you the benefits of a clean ext4 filesytem
[10:37] <nigel_nb> syn-ack: the good part about waiting is
[10:37] <syn-ack> almoxarife, Well thats a bit different. something like that literally does snap of you
[10:37] <nigel_nb> syn-ack: u get to help by seeding
[10:38] <syn-ack> rather, snap at you
[10:38] <CopyWriter> any major differences from ext3 to ext4
[10:38] <almoxarife> joaopinto: pouco a pouco
[10:38] <joaopinto> CopyWriter, speed
[10:38] <syn-ack> CopyWriter, quite a few
[10:38] <nigel_nb> CopyWriter: I think also with sizes it could handle
[10:38] <syn-ack> extents
[10:38] <syn-ack> sepeed, file size, etc etc
[10:39] <syn-ack> joaopinto, ext4 is an exabyte FS
[10:41] <tag> Just what I need, an exabyte of data
[10:41] <tag> On a single filesystem, nevertheless.
[10:42] <syn-ack> mmmmmm
[10:42] <syn-ack> tag, that day will be here soon enough, remember when nobody needed more than 640k RAM?
[10:42] <blck> hi
[10:42] <syn-ack> tag or more than 16 colors?
[10:43] <almoxarife> my system hangs on shutoff and re-start, consistently, common?
[10:43] <blck> shouldn't ubuntu 9.10 be released today?
[10:43] <[V]ortex`> yes
[10:43] <blck> when? Because I didn't found it
[10:43] <blck> yet
[10:43] <jmadgin> aaaaaaaa i want 9.10
[10:43] <jmadgin> the suspense is killing me!!!!
[10:44] <zicada> so dl it
[10:44] <jmadgin> fromwhere?
[10:44] <blck> I only find the RC?
[10:44] <zicada> latest rc + apt-get upgrade = final
[10:44] <jmadgin> dont want the rc
[10:44] <Qweritos> Greetings to all! Where I can download the final version ubuntu 9.10? Give link please)))
[10:44] <jmadgin> rly?
[10:44] <SwedeMike> Qweritos: you forgot to read the topic.
[10:44] <zicada> uh yeah
[10:45] <ichat> zicada:  - there's a better way
[10:45] <syn-ack> here we go again
[10:45] <CopyWriter> i'm hearing all this stuff abuot karmic will break
[10:45] <syn-ack> I'm going to bed.
[10:45] <CopyWriter> wt does it mean
[10:45] <syn-ack> it means you're listening to FUD
[10:45] <Qweritos> ...
[10:45] <ichat> RC + torrent = final .iso -
[10:45] <djzn> isn't this the 29th of Oct
[10:45] <syn-ack> anyway, I'm going to bed
[10:45] <djzn> and wherezzz Ubutahhhh
[10:45] <CopyWriter> what's fud :)
[10:45] <vix> lol
[10:46] <zicada> like, ubuntu is a bunch of deb files, when you update deb files you get latest ubuntu
[10:46] <om26er> how can i mount .nrg files using archive mounter
[10:46] <zicada> having the latest .iso just means less files update
[10:46] <ichat> iv set my iso up allready just waiting for the officiall torrent, than ittl check the hash and update any  bits that are changed (last min changes) and i have convertied it to a finall iso.. also it helps, because ill have the entire iso sooner so can seed sooner
[10:46] <zicada> om26er: #ubuntu
[10:46] <djzn> what time will be ubuntu released
[10:47] <om26er> zicada, doesn't matter jaunty or karmic
[10:47] <ichat> djzn - because if you the rease has been deleyed by yet  + 15 secs
[10:47] <om26er> zicada, i am using karmic so why would i go there
[10:47] <zicada> om26er: this chan is for discussing karmic
[10:47] <om26er> zicada, was i discussing you
[10:48] <zicada> om26er: youre asking in the wrong channel, go to #ubuntu for non karmic specific questions
[10:48] <ichat> has anyone tried the new,  telepathy stuf with msn
[10:48] <zicada> ichat: yup
[10:48] <djzn> ichat: WHAT?
[10:48] <ichat> djzn - read topic.
[10:48] <zicada> djzn: type /topic
[10:48] <om26er> ichat, its disabled in karmic audio call
[10:48] <ichat> zicada -  is it working wel
[10:49] <Fish__> Is there an XFIRE plugin for Telepathy?
[10:49] <zicada> ichat: yeah, pretty decent
[10:49] <ichat> om26er:  - ???
[10:49] <om26er> ichat, audio and video calling is disable in telepathy-butterfly 0.5.2 in karmic koala
[10:49] <Boohbah> om26er: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/06/mount-and-unmount-isomdfnrg-images.html
[10:49] <Boohbah> om26er: i haven't used this program, install unautheticated binaries at your own risk
[10:50] <ichat> om26er:  - why?
[10:50] <djzn> ichat: I am not asking anything MONSTROUS..... I am just asking, when today, in the aftwernoon? Probably at 16:00 GMT -300? Like that... simple as that
[10:50] <zicada> djzn: its the middle of the night in the US
[10:50] <Boohbah> zicada: some people need their servers running 24/7
[10:50] <ichat> djzn - nobody knows,   probably mark is still visiting his grandma... and well press the release button when he gets home
[10:50] <zicada> Boohbah: ?
[10:50] <Boohbah> zicada: hence why i am in the US and awake :)
[10:51] <jmadgin> bugger it im dling release candidate and doing a fresh install
[10:51] <zicada> Boohbah: ehheh
[10:51] <slytherin> ichat: apparently the MSN audio/video calling has not been tested enough. You can always install packages from telepathy PPA
[10:51] <djzn> ichat:, zicada: for Isle Of Man, where in the beginning of afternoon
[10:51] <zicada> djzn: no idea
[10:51] <zicada> djzn: why do you need the actual iso ?
[10:51] <djzn> Africa is long past noon
[10:51] <zicada> *sigh*
[10:51] <djzn> because I am a perfectionist
[10:51] <djzn> and I will use ubuntu in several machines
[10:52] <zicada> they should put up some kinda basic primer for people to read to grasp this
[10:52] <djzn> no time for upgrade crap
[10:52] <jmadgin> is koala lts?
[10:52] <ichat> djzn - the said it wi be befare  00;00   30/oct/2009 GMT+12
[10:52] <Boohbah> jmadgin: no, i believe 10.04 is the next LTS
[10:52] <ltspadmin> hi
[10:52] <jmadgin> o ok
[10:52] <ltspadmin> how to set the display resolution of thinclient in ubuntu 8.04 ltsop
[10:52] <darrend> djzn: so yuo won't be upgrading when critical bugs are fixed either then?
[10:52] <slytherin> jmadgin: every fourth release is LTS
[10:52] <Boohbah> ltspadmin: /join #ubuntu
[10:52] <zicada> ltspadmin: ask in #ubuntu
[10:52] <zicada> heh
[10:53] <djzn> darrend: I don't want anything labelled...
[10:53] <djzn> RC or beta
[10:53] <djzn> just the final crap
[10:53] <ltspadmin> but this porblem is related to thinclient, ltsp... mr. zicada
[10:53] <jmadgin> i did an install of koala and its wrecked my avi playing ability through mplayer and vlc
[10:53] <jmadgin> but that was an upgrade
[10:53] <darrend> djzn: as has been pointed out several million times, RC + update = final
[10:54] <jmadgin> am gonna fresh install
[10:54] <Boohbah> djzn: isn't the iso you have now labelled RC or beta? if the iso torrent name/hash is different i think you will have to download the whole thing again
[10:54] <ichat> djzn -  be pacient for once,  - its only  23 hrs  tops
[10:54] <darrend> so either do that, or wait until the release is available to d/l  Your choice, but no point bugging the entire channel about it
[10:54] <ichat> Boohbah: - nope
[10:55] <ichat> if you change the mane of the file,  your torrent client will hash it,  and thing - you just downloaded some badd pieces.. it ll teat em like badd blocks and overwrites 'm with the good ones
[10:56] <zicada> ichat: seems alot easier to just apt-get upgrade
[10:56] <ichat> da* i need more (C)offee
[10:56] <djzn> ichat: this is kinda silly, making the release date somewhere in the day, it should be like everybody else does, like windows 7 which was available at midnight sharp.... i think these kind of things are not good for canonical, kinda like... Oh Well, things aren't THAT stable yet... let's just delay a couple more hours....
[10:56] <zicada> :)
[10:56] <ichat> djzn:  -  the torrent way is less leach-like
[10:56] <ichat> OpenSourse is about sharing
[10:57] <zicada> ...
[10:57] <ichat> be generous if yu can - and seed  for a while...
[10:57] <vix> Im im about to download ubuntu 6.10 just wondering if everything works now in the 64bit ver, like flash and java and all tht or will i hv to break my head again for it
[10:57] <zicada> vix: you mean 9.10 ?
[10:58] <ichat> 6.10 isn't that,  ahhhhhh
[10:58] <om26er> release party is becoming hot and hto
[10:58] <vix> yes
[10:58] <ichat> i dont even know for sure whate the codename was for  6.10
[10:58] <vix> lol
[10:58] <vix> *
[10:58] <eagles0513875> om26er: what channel is that anyway
[10:58] <CopyWriter> they're going to riot any minute now
[10:58] <eagles0513875> i wanna join the party aka rio
[10:58] <dmatt> djzn: it is more fun this way :)
[10:58] <eagles0513875> riot
[10:58] <darrend> edgy eft
[10:58] <ichat> darrend:  yw
[10:59] <ichat> (ty)
[10:59] <vix> wel?
[10:59] <om26er> eagles0513875, #ubuntu-release-party
[10:59] <eagles0513875> ty om26er
[10:59] <zicada> vix: flash is fine, as it has been for a while. x64 has been around for a while heh
[11:00] <ichat> :( me got banned from release party (for publicly wondereing if god whould use ubuntu if he had need of computers
[11:00] <jmadgin> hahahahahahahahaha
[11:00] <ichat> thats saaaaad :S
[11:00] <jmadgin> ofcourse he would
[11:00] <djzn> dmatt: don't agree....
[11:01] <vix> any irritations i shld expect with the 64bit version
[11:01] <djzn> dmatt: but... anyway...
[11:01] <vix> java etc ?
[11:01] <jmadgin> i spose god would be using 9.10 126bit?
[11:01] <jmadgin> 128bit**
[11:01] <ichat> some people clamed os/2 - and we fake some kind of fight about it... than that mod came in.. and didn't appreiciate it mutch
[11:02] <ichat> 666 bits
[11:02] <jmadgin> hahahahaha
[11:02] <jmadgin> satans ubuntu
[11:03] <dmatt> djzn: the schedule is very tight and what is happening now that all mirrors are syncing, and you cannot predict that 100%
[11:03] <vix> echo $?
[11:03] <blck> ubuntu holy satan?
[11:03] <zicada> i love how you corrected 126bit to 128
[11:03] <zicada> 128 made so much more sense..
[11:03] <ichat> ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/satanubuntu/i666/hellloader.iso
[11:03] <jmadgin> lol
[11:04] <zicada> "omg it has moar bits, it must be fastarr"
[11:04] <jmadgin> 126bit would n't be right at all
[11:04] <zicada> neither would 128
[11:04] <zicada> :)
[11:04] <SwedeMike> I'd like to participate in all the torrents, I hope they're released pretty early in the process, it worked well last time.
[11:04] <jmadgin> lol
[11:04] <CopyWriter> later guys going to grab breakfast
[11:04] <SwedeMike> I think I seeded them to 120x size
[11:04] <CopyWriter> will be back later on
[11:04] <jmadgin> hav a nice brekkie
[11:04] <uzi> People! Any idea what time karmic is coming?! :D
[11:04] <sholden> has anyone else had issues using rubygems?  know if this was addressed before release time?
[11:04] <slytherin> uzi: no
[11:04] <sholden> I dont think gems are added to your path...
[11:05] <uzi> :(
[11:05] <sholden> also, rails is faily
[11:05] <ichat> anyone knows why ubuntuhomeserver.com is no more?
[11:05] <blck> ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/ <- whats the Contents-i386.gz?
[11:05] <djzn> dmatt: me listens to DM SOTU while waiting
[11:06] <stsm> i just installed ubuntu 9.10 RC, i installed grub only to the ubuntu partition because i have a windows 7 bootloader on my MBR
[11:06] <stsm> then i added ubuntu to the windows bootloader with easybcd
[11:06] <jmadgin> how u getting on with 7?
[11:06] <stsm> first it didnt work so i checked "grub is not on MBR"
[11:07] <jmadgin> i kno this is linux forum but im curious
[11:07] <stsm> then it boots grub but grub immediately gets out of the menu and gives me a CLI
[11:07] <stsm> and i dunno jack about the grub CLI.....
[11:07] <stsm> how can i make my ubuntu bootable please?
[11:07] <stsm> and why does this happen?
[11:07] <stsm> linux forum?
[11:08] <stsm> IRC channel you mean
[11:08] <ichat> stsm - use grub in mbr,  its way easier to make grub boot win7 than visa versa
[11:08] <jmadgin> lol sorry same thing
[11:08] <stsm> ichat: i cannot do that
[11:08] <jmadgin> only different
[11:08] <uzi> stsm: I think you need to chainload to ubuntu partition from windows bootloader
[11:08] <dmatt> djzn: I go for some Radiohead
[11:08] <stsm> chainload?
[11:08] <stsm> normally its enough to just add it....
[11:08] <zicada> chainloading is a grup feature
[11:08] <stsm> to BCD
[11:08] <stsm> i did this 216546251 times
[11:08] <jmadgin> yes same as chainloading to windows partition
[11:09] <zicada> stsm: why cant you just use grub, and boot win7 off that ?
[11:09] <uzi> stsm: i'm not sure how that is done from windows boot loader
[11:09] <uzi> stsm: then you should have installed grub on ur mbr
[11:09] <stsm> zicada: because i need to boot other stuff with BCD that grub cant boot.....
[11:09] <stsm> wtf
[11:09] <zicada> stsm: ah, like what, just curious
[11:09] <stsm> im talking straight trough people it seems
[11:10] <ichat> shouldn't you  uses -    chainload  linux.img  or somethink like that?
[11:10] <bcj> What I wouldn't give for a pound every time someone asks when 9.10 will be released
[11:10] <bcj> :)
[11:10] <jmadgin> http://pastie.org/674771
[11:10] <jmadgin> thats what my boot looks like
[11:10] <jmadgin> chainloader for windows at the bottom
[11:10] <zicada> *sigh*
[11:11] <stsm> i think its a problem with grub....
[11:11] <zicada> jmadgin: he's talking about booting linux from the win bootloader
[11:11] <stsm> grub starts fine when i choose it in BCD
[11:11] <jmadgin> o
[11:11] <jmadgin> my bad
[11:11] <uzi> then what happens?
[11:11] <stsm> it gives me a grub CLI allmost instantly, like i explained
[11:11] <stsm> from now on ill type everything twice :p
[11:12] <uzi> your ubuntu partition is ext4?
[11:12] <uzi> that happened to me once
[11:12] <uzi> grub didn't yet support ext4
[11:12] <exalt> hi
[11:12] <exalt> happy release day:)
[11:13] <zicada> stsm: you getting any errormsgs at all ?
[11:13] <zicada> stsm: this is grub2 ? eg, karmic
[11:13] <ichat> uzi is that shill true for -  karmic
[11:13] <knarfix> hi, ist it possible to convert reizerfs to ext4?
[11:14] <SwedeMike> knarfix: no.
[11:14] <jmadgin> is grub different in karmic?
[11:14] <uzi> nope
[11:14] <jmadgin> whats grub2?
[11:14] <zicada> somehow i feel like some of you guys are gonna upload youtube videos of karmic with lots of compiz stuff enabled once its released
[11:14] <zicada> heh
[11:14] <zicada> no offense
[11:14] <vega-> jmadgin: a new version of grub?
[11:14] <zicada> :D
[11:14] <stsm> zicada: probably but i cant see them
[11:14] <jmadgin> o
[11:14] <stsm> since it immediately goes to this grub CLI
[11:14] <jmadgin> u'll hav to bear with me im quite new to ubuntu
[11:14] <gRnt> Hi all I set up samba tonight using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605 I am getting about 50kb/s transfer speeds as opposed to a few MB. Just wondering if there was a fix for this google hasn't been too helpful!
[11:14] <uzi> stsm: did u try booting it manually from cli?
[11:15] <stsm> uzi: how...
[11:15] <zicada> stsm: im guessing if grub is installed and called from the right partition, that your issue is windows related
[11:15] <stsm> like i said i dunno anything at all from the grub CLI
[11:15] <zicada> stsm: eg, bca needs to actually boot grub in the same way grub loads the bca, not just executing it
[11:15] <stsm> zicada: "called from the right partition" ?
[11:15] <Halabund> Hello
[11:16] <stsm> zicada: ok so how come this has worked before?
[11:16] <Halabund> Is there anyone here who uses PPTP VPNs?
[11:16] <stsm> it kindof sounds to me you guys wanna blame it on windows
[11:16] <uzi> stsm: just install grub on ur mbr, problem solved.
[11:16] <stsm> like i explained 3 times allready
[11:16] <stsm> i cannot do that
[11:16] <zicada> heh
[11:16] <zicada> uzi: pay attention :)
[11:16] <Lazy> Halabund: yeah i am using PPTP to connect to my m0n0wall
[11:16] <zicada> Halabund: yup
[11:16] <slytherin> Halabund: I do
[11:17] <stsm> its not that i dont WANT grub on my MBR
[11:17] <uzi> then try this: root (hd<number>,<partition number>)
[11:17] <Halabund> Since I upgraded to the Karmic RC, whenever I connect through the VPN (practically all the time as it's the only available option to access the internet at university), when trying to open a webpage, the browser is stuck at "looking up something.com" for quite a few seconds (15-20 s)
[11:17] <zicada> stsm: well, lots of changes in grub2
[11:17] <zicada> stsm: google it :)
[11:17] <stsm> zicada: i will
[11:17] <slytherin> Halabund: how have you setup PPTP vpn, through network manager?
[11:18] <stsm> uzi: ill try that
[11:18] <zicada> Halabund: sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp
[11:18] <stsm> brb
[11:18] <uffo> can anyone test KDE 4.3.2 menu editing, does it hang
[11:18] <uzi> remember kernel <img>
[11:18] <uzi> and then boot
[11:18] <uzi> type this commands
[11:18] <Halabund> slytherin, yes.  I tried removing all VPN connections, re-installing those two packages, and re-creating the connections, but the problem is still present
[11:19] <slytherin> Halabund: which browser are you using?
[11:19] <zicada> Halabund: you able to ping outside ip adresses ?
[11:19] <Halabund> zicada, I already have that installed (even tried re-installing it).  Otherwise I couldn't connect to the VPN at all.  I can access outside webpages it's just very slow.
[11:20] <Halabund> Both Firefox and Chrome have the problem
[11:20] <Halabund> Looking up domain names seems to be slow
[11:20] <Halabund> But only when connecting through the VPN
[11:20] <zicada> Halabund: youve tested from another machine ?
[11:20] <zicada> Halabund: with another OS
[11:20] <Halabund> Naither Jaunty nor Windows had  this problem and
[11:20] <ltspadmin> how to configure thin-client-manager on ubuntu 8.04 ltsp server
[11:21] <Halabund> I don't have another machine on which I could install Karmic
[11:21] <zicada> Halabund: just saying, maybe the VPN has issues
[11:21] <stsm_> pffffffffffffff
[11:21] <zicada> Halabund: so youd have to test it while its slow in karmic
[11:21] <uzi> o
[11:21] <stsm_> can you literally give me an example?
[11:21] <stsm_> "device"
[11:21] <Halabund> zicada, it is possible, but the problem wasn't triggered either in Jaunty or Windows
[11:21] <stsm_> doesnt say anything
[11:21] <stsm_> i need to know how grub wants me to call my first harddisk
[11:21] <stsm_> and my x partition
[11:21] <zicada> Halabund: you really want to make sure before you start troubleshooting though
[11:22] <stsm_> what a great improvement that is man
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[11:22] <zicada> stsm_: man grub
[11:22] <zicada> :)
[11:22] <stsm_> i cant install buntu anymore like i allways installed it
[11:22] <uzi> lols
[11:22] <Halabund> zicada, I installed Karmic 3 days ago, and it's been like this ever since.  I mainly work on Windows, and that's fine.  The problem appeared immediately when I upgraded to Karmic.
[11:22] <zicada> Halabund: ok
[11:22] <stsm_> zicada: oh if thats the help ill get then fine
[11:22] <slytherin> Halabund: It might be some problem in network manager and only triggered now.
[11:23] <stsm_> time for another distro
[11:23] <slytherin> Halabund: file a bug
[11:23] <uzi> Halabund: vpn works fine for me
[11:23] <uzi> i don't know about ur configuration there
[11:23] <stsm_> thanx for nothing people
[11:23] <Lazy> stsm_: did you see what uzi said to you?
[11:23] <gRnt> Hi all, is anyone able to help me work out why my samba share is so horrendously slow? I've just installed it for the first time today and copy rates are about 30 kb/s
[11:23] <Lazy> 13:18] < uzi> remember kernel <img>
[11:23] <Lazy> [13:18] < uzi> and then boot
[11:23] <stsm_> Lazy: yes and it didnt work
[11:23] <Lazy> stsm_: ok
[11:23] <uzi> stsm: rtfm :D
[11:23] <stsm_> kernel img
[11:23] <stsm_> i didnt read that part
[11:24] <stsm_> :s
[11:24] <zicada> i cant believe you actually had this working before stsm_ :)
[11:24] <Halabund> It is possible that there is something wrong with the uni's VPN, but I can't get them to fix it if it works fine on Windows (and Fedora 10, which is the distro used by the uni)
[11:24] <stsm_> zicada: i had this working on a fakeraid install even!
[11:24] <zicada> Halabund: obviously
[11:24] <stsm_> and several times on normal installs
[11:24] <stsm_> wtf has happened to ubuntu
[11:24] <stsm_> bah
[11:24] <stsm_> i never ran into people like you guys before
[11:24] <zicada> Halabund: do you get any higher ping latency using vpn ?
[11:25] <stsm_> depressing crap
[11:25] <Halabund> I'll try
[11:25] <stsm_> you cant solve my problem so you just tell me to rtfm
[11:25] <zicada> Halabund: or is stuff fast after hostnames are resolved
[11:25] <stsm_> thanx a lot
[11:25] <ichat> stsm_  wait till you try fedora
[11:25] <slytherin> Halabund: have you tried changing the 'encryption' option in settings?
[11:25] <uzi> stsm thinks we're here to serve him
[11:25] <Halabund> zicada, yes, things are fast after host names are resolved.  First time I go to google.com, it takes a long time.  AFter that it's fast.  Same with any other domain.
[11:26] <Halabund> zicada, it's the same when using ping instead of a browser
[11:26] <zicada> Halabund: ok, see if /etc/resolv.conf gets the same ip addresses as ipconfig /all in windows
[11:26] <gRnt> Hi all, is anyone able to help me work out why my samba share is so horrendously slow? I've just installed it for the first time today and copy rates are about 30 kb/s
[11:27] <zicada> gRnt: what OS does the machine youre downloading from run ?
[11:28] <gRnt> I am copying from my Win7 install to my Ubuntu server 9.10 RC install via a mapped network drive.
[11:28] <gRnt> I haven't been able to test the other way it is that slow nothing has copied over yet.
[11:29] <zicada> gRnt: could be a ton of things
[11:29] <Halabund> zicada, this is what /etc/resolf.conf looks like: http://pastebin.com/d163e880f   The 10.* IPs are on the local network, the 129.* ones on the VPN.  I'll reboot now and see what ipconfig /all gives on WIndows
[11:29] <zicada> gRnt: do you have multiple windows boxes in the lan ?
[11:29] <gRnt> zicada: yeah 2 windows machines, they copy at full speeds, its definitely a samba thing. The only sort of fix I have found was already in the samba.conf file I am running
[11:30] <zicada> gRnt: do you have ftpd or httpd or any other fileserving daemon running on the linux machine ?
[11:30] <zicada> gRnt: just to make sure theyre getting good bw
[11:31] <gRnt> zicada: Not too sure all that has been installed since I got it up was deluge and the deluge webui I guess that lighttpd or something would have been installed as a dependancy for the webUI
[11:32] <gRnt> oh zicada I copied at a good speed FROM the ubuntu server to my machine so its only from win7 -> Ubuntu
[11:33] <zicada> so with samba its fast one way
[11:33] <zicada> but not the other ?
[11:34] <gRnt> yeah so I have fast transfer speeds between windows machines. Slow TO the ubuntu server and faster FROM it to my windows machine
[11:34] <zicada> k, put up an ftpd on the ubuntu box and try uploading
[11:34] <zicada> or install an sftp client on win7
[11:34] <zicada> and upload through ssh
[11:35] <zicada> we just wanna make sure the problem is actually samba related and not networking/IO related
[11:35] <gRnt> Hrmm ok will I need to install an ftp package on ubuntu first or can I just log in via sftp
[11:36] <zicada> gRnt: do you use putty or any ssh client to get a terminal in win7 ?
[11:36] <gRnt> yeah putty through winscp
[11:36] <zicada> gRnt: ok upload with winscp then
[11:38] <uffo> can anyone test KDE 4.3.2 menu editing, does it hang,
[11:38] <gRnt> zicada: average speed is 5,000kb/s
[11:38] <Halabund> zicada: It seems that Windows uses the same DNS servers for the VPN.  This is what I get: http://pastebin.com/d7818f969
[11:40] <zicada> Halabund: youre using dhcp ?
[11:40] <Halabund> zicada: Well, actually one difference is that the "Connection specific DNS suffix" field is empty for the VPN connection on Windows.  For the local connection it is the same what's in resolv.conf on Karmic: fantoft.privnett.uib.no   Might that cause the problem?  I'm not sure what that means (or what the domain and search fields mean in Linux)
[11:41] <gRnt> zicada: yeah winscp has an average transfer rate of 5mb/s my samba conf is pretty well identical to this save the changes to the shared folder etc http://paste.ubuntu.com/304228/
[11:41] <Halabund> zicada: Yes
[11:41] <zicada> Halabund: let me see what mine looks like when im on VPN
[11:41] <domjohnson> What is the command to open ubuntu Software center?
[11:41] <zicada> gRnt: all right, try googling for samba issues related to yours
[11:41] <zicada> gRnt: if you cant find anything, file a bug
[11:41] <domjohnson> By using Alt-F2?
[11:42] <gRnt> zicada: have been googling so far no luck ty back I go
[11:42] <kaiestse> coming soon coming soon coming soon coming soon coming soon ... :(
[11:42] <domjohnson> :D
[11:42] <JoshuaL> i wonder if its possible to start testing 10.04 right away after today
[11:42] <domjohnson> Cant wait...dunno why. Does much change from the rc to the Final Release?
[11:43] <uffo> can anyone test KDE 4.3.2 menu editing, does it hang on kubuntu 9.10 rc
[11:43] <zicada> Halabund: im on a pretty similar net to yours
[11:43] <zicada> Halabund: but i dont have this issue
[11:43] <Halabund> zicada: Actually the full output of ipconfig /all looks like this on Windows (compared with resolv.conf): http://pastebin.com/d15f9f44   Is it possible to edit resolv.conf by hand to experiment with it?
[11:44] <zicada> well, network manager generates it dynamically
[11:44] <slytherin> Halabund: yes. you can configure your PPTP connection to add additional DNS entries
[11:44] <Halabund> slytherin: I didn't want to add new DNS entries.  I was wondering if I could remove the "domain" and "search" fields from resolv.conf
[11:45] <zicada> Halabund: you might wanna test manually which server is being slow irst
[11:45] <zicada> Halabund: type nslookup
[11:45] <Halabund> How do I do that?
[11:45] <Halabund> OK, let me reboot again to Karmic
[11:45] <zicada> Halabund: then type server ip
[11:45] <zicada> server <ip>
[11:45] <zicada> rather
[11:45] <Halabund> OK
[11:46] <Halabund> be back in 2 min
[11:46] <zicada> then type in some hostnames i wouldnt have cached
[11:46] <zicada> and see how long it takes
[11:46] <zicada> for each server <ip>
[11:46] <zicada> try both the local ones eg 10. etc
[11:46] <zicada> and the 129 ones
[11:49] <uffo> can anyone test KDE 4.3.2 menu editing, does it hang on kubuntu 9.10 rc, it sometimes causes problems to Dolphin too.
[11:49] <zicada> never had that issue uffo
[11:50] <zicada> dont think its a known issue
[11:50] <zicada> if it keeps happening to you, file a bug
[11:50] <zicada> also, no need to ask 3 times, if nobody answers it usually means nobody has any idea
[11:52] <uffo> zicada: test kde menu editor to edit and if it wont hang then maybe it was temporary bug, if this is not serious then it wont fixed in final.
[11:53] <zicada> im not running kde
[11:53] <zicada> this is for ubuntu, eg gnome
[11:53] <zicada> might wanna try #kubuntu
[11:54] <textureglitch> anybody know what the difference is between Karmic Netbook and Karmic Netbook Remix?
[11:54] <sakatoy> ciao
[11:54] <uffo> zicada: kubuntu+1 will be forwarded here
[11:55] <joaopinto> textureglitch, afaik there is no karmic netbook (without the remix)
[11:55] <Termana> textureglitch: One is named Karmic Netbook and one is named Karmic Netbook Remix
[11:55] <textureglitch> I figured out as much, even without help! ;)
[11:55] <Sensiva> textureglitch Where did you read that "Karmic Netbook" without remix?
[11:55] <zicada> there are lpia builds of regular karmic tho
[11:55] <textureglitch> official ubuntu torrents: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[11:55] <zicada> could be considered netbook karmic i guess
[11:56] <kevin009> has 9.10 been officially released on torrents yet?
[11:56] <textureglitch> not yet
[11:56] <textureglitch> it's probably the RC
[11:57] <zicada> textureglitch: i'd say its most likely lpia alternate install
[11:57] <ali1234> why has my machine turned into xubuntu after upgrading? xubuntu-desktop is not and has never been installed
[11:58] <zicada> heh
[11:58] <ali1234> furthermore, why can't i remove the xubuntu stuff without removing ubuntu-desktop?
[11:58] <zicada> magic ?
[11:58] <zicada> maybe you have some gnomes in your closet that come out at night and install xubuntu-desktop when youre asleep :D
[11:58] <joaopinto> ali1234, you can, unless there is a bug, or you are trying to remove a package which is shared, both depend on it
[11:58] <ali1234> well i'll answer number 2 myself
[11:59] <joaopinto> zicada, this is not a jokes channel, please join a better channel for that
[11:59] <ali1234> xubuntu-gdm-theme suggests xsplash, which is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <joaopinto> ali1234, as for xubuntu-desktop, if it was installed, something went wrong with update-manager
[12:00] <joaopinto> if it was not
[12:00] <ali1234> xubuntu-desktop was not installed
[12:00] <ali1234> but xubuntu -gdm, xfce-panel, xfce4-wm etc etc etc all were
[12:01] <joaopinto> maybe some of those packages recommends xubuntu-desktop ?
[12:01] <ali1234> obviously they don't because it isn't installed before or after
[12:01] <zicada> by "turned into xubuntu" do you mean the white mouse on black background when you boot up ?
[12:01] <ali1234> zicada: yes, followed by xubuntu themed gdm
[12:01] <ali1234> with "xubuntu" written all over it
[12:02] <joaopinto> ali1234, and you got the xubuntu-desktop package installed ?
[12:02] <ali1234> joaopinto: no
[12:02] <ali1234> joaopinto: like i've said 3 times now, it was not installed before, ever, and is not installed now
[12:02] <joaopinto> erm, so you didn't got xubuntu aftre all, you got some packages from xubuntu, which is a different story
[12:02] <ali1234> joaopinto: yes, *all* of them
[12:02] <zicada> joaopinto: no, its not a different story
[12:02] <zicada> its exactly the same
[12:02] <zicada> heh
[12:03] <ali1234> but the only one i can't get rid of is xubuntu-gdm-theme
[12:03] <zicada> install ubuntu-gdm-theme
[12:03] <ali1234> it is installed already
[12:03] <zicada> oh
[12:04] <zicada> what error do you get when trying to remove xubuntu-gdm-theme
[12:04] <zicada> ?
[12:04] <ali1234> i don't get any error
[12:04] <zicada> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-gdm-theme
[12:04] <ali1234> it just wants to remove xsplash and ubuntu-desktop
[12:04] <ali1234> but technically there's no error
[12:05] <zicada> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-gdm-theme ; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gdm-theme ubuntu-desktop xsplash
[12:05] <zicada> :)
[12:05] <ali1234> i don't trust that to work properly
[12:05] <zicada> probably way saner ways of doing it, but it should work
[12:05] <zicada> what do you mean
[12:06] <zicada> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[12:06] <ali1234> yeah, but xsplash isn't
[12:06] <zicada> yeah but you install it again
[12:06] <Tecna> ummm
[12:06] <Termana> lol
[12:06] <ali1234> my experience of removing important system components in the past suggests that they're "not quite the same" when you reinstall them
[12:07] <Termana> ali1234: If you haven't realized, zicada is a cowboy. He has a plug and pray approach.
[12:07] <zicada> xsplash isnt an important system component
[12:07] <slytherin> ali1234: heard that argument for first time
[12:08] <ali1234> i think i see the problem
[12:08] <Boohbah> Termana: or a chinese windows user
[12:08] <zicada> hah
[12:08] <Termana> Boohbah: lmfao
[12:08] <ali1234> xsplash seems to need either xubuntu-gdm-themes or ubuntu-xsplash-artwork, but not ubuntu-gdm-theme (which it doesn't care about at all)
[12:09] <zicada> cause it doesnt exist
[12:09] <zicada> ubuntu-gdm-themes does however
[12:09] <brijith> Is It released !!!
[12:10] <Aranel> !isitout
[12:10] <ali1234> eh, so i remvoed ubuntu-desktop. now i reinstall it and it wants to install tomboy
[12:10] <domjohnson> I have a problem with the software center...When i start it, it comes up on the taskbar but then dissapears just as quickly
[12:11] <Tecna> so... why does the site say "coming soon" now
[12:11] <domjohnson> Can anyone help?
[12:11] <om26er> cannot join release party
[12:11] <zicada> Tecna: because it is ?
[12:11] <zicada> i wish i knew why people need the thing to be released anyway
[12:12] <zicada> there havent been any updated packages in days
[12:12] <tacone> om26er: register your nick or identify
[12:12] <uzi> too many people i think thats why
[12:12] <om26er> tacone, its registered it says
[12:12] <uzi> you can't join
[12:12] <Pici> om26er: you're not identified
[12:12] <Lazy> if you have rc and latest updates, you probably have final
[12:12] <zicada> Lazy: you DO have final
[12:12] <zicada> :)
[12:13] <zicada> nothing like using a shitload of bandwith to grab what one allready has installed tho, AND spending time reinstalling :)
[12:14] <slytherin> Even I am planning to reinstall after some proper repartitioning
[12:14] <zicada> sure but thats a partitioning issue , bit more sane
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> ok, so empathy has video  spport, how?
[12:16] <slytherin> zicada: But I also want ext4. :-) And I haven't reinstalled since hoary. :-)
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> If i talk to some1 on empathy, i can't select video
[12:16] <slytherin> Ian_Corne: Id your webcam recognized by gstreamer?
[12:16] <zicada> is it supposed to be compiled with video support in karmic ?
[12:17] <slytherin> zicada: it is, for google talk at least.
[12:17] <zicada> slytherin: ah
[12:17] <Ian_Corne> how do i check that?
[12:17] <Ian_Corne> i'm using the msn network
[12:17] <zicada> now i gotta start shaving and fixing my hair to chat
[12:17] <zicada> great
[12:17] <slytherin> Ian_Corne: for MSN, the video support is not enabled in telepathy-buttlerfly
[12:18] <ali1234> i see the misplaced notifications are not fixed yet
[12:18] <om26er> slytherin, not video not audio in karmic pal
[12:18] <slytherin> om26er: for which protocol?
[12:18] <om26er> slytherin, msn (telepathy-butterfly
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> slytherin: how can i enable it then?
[12:18] <om26er> slytherin, karmic people disabled that
[12:19] <slytherin> Ian_Corne: om26er: You can install packages form telepathy PPA
[12:19] <ali1234> wow, and pulseaudio has new and even more bizarre bugs
[12:19] <om26er> slytherin, yes
[12:19] <kblin> hi folks
[12:20] <kblin> I'm just noticing that scping files to my ext4 drive seems to corrupt the data transferred
[12:20] <slytherin> kblin: file a bug
[12:20] <domjohnson> think i need to reboot...apps arent starting properly
[12:21] <uzi> does anyone know if sd corruption is fixed in karmic koala?
[12:21] <Ian_Corne> ok nvm
[12:21] <Ian_Corne> -nvm
[12:21] <Ian_Corne> is it enabled for "people nearby"?
[12:21] <slytherin> I don't know
[12:23] <Halabund> zicada, it took some time until I figured out how nslookup works.  It seems that when I'm not connected to the VPN, there are 3 nameservers in resolv.conf, A, B, and C, and all three work.  If I'm connected, there are two more: X,Y,A,B,C.  X,Y,B works, but A and C don't.
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> ok, trying it now but how do i check if my webcam is recongnised?
[12:25] <domjohnson> Oh...this sucks...
[12:25] <domjohnson> Theres a tonne of apps that just stop
[12:25] <domjohnson> They start, and then just close
[12:25] <domjohnson> Empathy doesnt even show up in the taskbar!
[12:26] <domjohnson> When i launch from the terminal, i get this (apologies for no pastebin...Is this an acceptable amount?)
[12:26] <domjohnson> Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal
[12:26] <domjohnson> Run 'empathy --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[12:26] <domjohnson> (empathy:2431): empathy-WARNING **: Error in empathy init: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal
[12:26] <slytherin> Ian_Corne: use command 'gstreamer-properties' it will launch a small GUI. In Video tab, check the plugin (V4L2) and device (must be some id for your cam) and then click Test
[12:27] <joaopinto> domjohnson, clearn install or upgrade ?
[12:27] <ali1234> ok, wtf? why is dd using 74% of my cpu?
[12:27] <ali1234> i didn't even run dd
[12:27] <joaopinto> ali1234, someone or something did, ps -ef | grep dd
[12:28] <larsemil> So in 9.04 i could choose my linux_sta driver from hardware drivers, but in 9.10 it is not there
[12:28] <ali1234> dd bs=1 if=/proc/kmsg of=/var/run/rsyslog/kmsg
[12:28] <ali1234> is maxing my cpu
[12:28] <ali1234> making my machine crawl
[12:29] <ali1234> time to report some bugs i guess
[12:30] <domjohnson> I did a clean install, joapinto
[12:31] <domjohnson> Also of note - i recently installed the majority of the ubuntu-studio packages from synaptic, but had to uninstall ubuntu-studio menu
[12:31] <joaopinto> that's odd
[12:32] <Halabund> zicada, slytherin: I think I found the relevant bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417757
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[12:32] <Ian_Corne> oho
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> IPV6 has been such a....  quirky thing.
[12:32]  * patdk-lap hasn't noticed any ipv6 delays at all
[12:33] <Lazy> patdk-lap: do you have working ipv6?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> ive never really used ipv6 :) so cant say either way
[12:33] <patdk-lap> only in my house, not outside
[12:33] <patdk-lap> and no ipv6 here
[12:33] <Lazy> i have 6to4 so maybe i haven't noticed it?
[12:33] <Halabund> I don't know anything about IPv6.  I only notice that most programs that download stuff are damn slow.
[12:34] <domjohnson> should i reinstall the registry somehow?
[12:34] <Halabund> I didn't mess with IPv6 settings or anything like that.
[12:34] <patdk-lap> hmm, downloading stuff being slow isn't an ipv6 thing
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Regiestry?
[12:34] <patdk-lap> unless your using a slow ipv6 tunnel
[12:35] <fsckroot> anybody had any luck getting intel 82801G sound working on Karmic?
[12:35] <domjohnson> fsckroot - try going into alsamixer and checking its not muted
[12:35] <fsckroot> done
[12:35] <fsckroot> not muted
[12:36] <domjohnson> ok
[12:36] <slytherin> fsckroot: What problem are you facing? What do you mean exactly by not working?
[12:36] <fsckroot> the hardware is recognized, just no sound
[12:38] <fsckroot> any suggestions about a fix?
[12:39] <slytherin> fsckroot: in alsamixer make sure that all the controls have volume turned up (50% +).
[12:39] <fsckroot> everything is unmuted and on 100%
[12:39] <gigasoft> when does a new realize comes
[12:40] <larsemil> how do i install the linux_sta driver for broadcom in karmic? 9.04 did it by itself
[12:40] <coz_> fsckroot,  gigasoft  mean release?
[12:40] <coz_> fsckroot,  sorry
[12:40] <gigasoft> here it say's coming coon
[12:40] <coz_> gigasoft,   you mean the release?
[12:40] <fsckroot> slytherin: everything is unmuted and on 100%
[12:40] <slytherin> larsemil: what card?
[12:40] <gigasoft> yeas
[12:40] <coz_> gigasoft,  you might get lucky here  http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/karmic/desktop/
[12:40] <patdk-lap> yep, not having any issues with ipv6 dns being slow
[12:41] <slytherin> fsckroot: Ok. And which applications are you trying to use?
[12:41] <gigasoft> English is not my native language :(
[12:41] <patdk-lap> but reading that bug report it sounds like when you query broken dns recursors that don't do ipv6 correctly or something
[12:41] <larsemil> slytherin: BCM4322
[12:41] <fsckroot> VLC, Firefox etc.
[12:41] <slytherin> fsckroot: Do you have pulseaudio installed?
[12:41] <fsckroot> Slytherin: Totem too
[12:42] <fsckroot> slytherin: yes, it's installed.
[12:42] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[12:42] <ali1234> does apport try to upload /var/log/messages?
[12:42] <slytherin> larsemil: When you open System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers do you see any restricted drivers in use?
[12:42] <mattwj2002> help! my sound isn't working on my asus eee pc
[12:43] <mattwj2002> I am using the mythbuntu with the ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <mattwj2002> it is unmuted and it was working fine before
[12:43] <mattwj2002> :-s
[12:43] <slytherin> fsckroot: One thing you could try is 'rm ~/.pulse-cookie' and then restart the machine.
[12:43] <larsemil> slytherin: its empty
[12:44] <fsckroot> slytherin: I'll do that now and get back to you
[12:44] <larsemil> slytherin: also i am running kubuntu
[12:44] <mattwj2002> anyone have any suggestions?
[12:44] <slytherin> larsemil: kubuntu doesn't make difference
[12:45] <rxd> why it is still comming soon on the ubuntu.com site
[12:45] <larsemil> slytherin: well doing upgrade for the latest packages now, and jockey was one of em so maybe that will do it
[12:45] <tacone> because it's not out
[12:45] <joaopinto> rxd, becaus it's not out yet
[12:45] <tacone> you find isos with the right name, but the timestamp is of yesterday. i wouldn't trust those.
[12:45] <slytherin> larsemil: Do you have bcmwl-kernel-source package installed?
[12:45] <jhb1608> well...
[12:45] <Lazy> mattwj2002: you could try slytherins tip: [14:43] < slytherin> fsckroot: One thing you could try is 'rm ~/.pulse-cookie' and then restart the machine.
[12:45] <jhb1608> how do I upgrade from beta to stable?
[12:46] <slytherin> they are still editing release notes
[12:46] <mattwj2002> thanks lazy I wasn
[12:46] <joaopinto> !final | jhb1608
[12:46] <slytherin> jhb1608: simple upgrade
[12:46] <mattwj2002> *I wasn't sure if that applied to me
[12:46] <mattwj2002> :)
[12:46] <jhb1608> ok
[12:46] <Lazy> mattwj2002: fsckroot seems to be having same kind of problem as you
[12:46] <mattwj2002> okay
[12:46] <mattwj2002> brb
[12:47] <mattwj2002> I'll let you know if it works
[12:47] <mattwj2002> :)
[12:47] <domjohnson> Hmm... Ubuntu Software center starts, but then closes straight after
[12:47] <jhb1608> what is the link for the paste?
[12:47] <slytherin> jhb1608: paste.ubuntu.com
[12:47] <cyroul> hello everyone
[12:47] <jhb1608> thanks
[12:47] <fsckroot> slytherin: deleting pulse-cooking didn't work
[12:47] <domjohnson> I get a load of GStreamer errors when i run it from theterminal
[12:47] <domjohnson> *the terminal
[12:48] <joaopinto> fsckroot, you have checked the levels with alsamixer ?
[12:48] <jhb1608> http://paste.ubuntu.com/304265/
[12:48] <slytherin> fsckroot: hmm, then I don't know what the problem is. :-(
[12:48] <fsckroot> joaopinto: everything is unmuted and set to 100%
[12:48] <fsckroot> slytherin: would removing pulseaudio work?
[12:48] <cyroul> sorry to interrupt but does anyone has got an idea about scim-anthy on ubuntu 9.10, because it stopped working for me and I can't find any solution !! :-(
[12:48] <fsckroot> I know it's been the source of problems for others in the past
[12:49] <rxd> how do i install gtkdialog3 in karmic
[12:49] <kblin> hah, cool
[12:49] <domjohnson> rxd - try using synaptic package manager
[12:49] <joaopinto> rxd, there is no such package, only gtkdialog
[12:49] <rxd> apt-get install gtkdialog3 or gtkdialog nothing on the repo
[12:49] <kblin> the md5sum of large files on ext4 keep changing for quite a while
[12:50] <jhb1608> http://paste.ubuntu.com/304265/ well? I tried to update a package, but it won't
[12:50] <rxd> synaptic search also doesn't show anything
[12:50] <kblin> even after calling sync
[12:50] <joaopinto> gtkdialog is available frm universe
[12:50] <joaopinto> rxd, it does for me, you must have universe disabled
[12:50] <Lazy> kblin: i have seen a bug report for that
[12:50] <Lazy> kblin: wait a sec and i will find it
[12:50] <rxd> joaopinto:: ok will try that
[12:51] <kblin> Lazy: I've got it, I think
[12:51] <Lazy> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354
[12:51] <larsemil> slytherin: installing the package manualy did the trick with tht edrive
[12:51] <domjohnson> Just out of interest...how much RAM do you guys have? I have a 512 and a 256 stick. That's768MB
[12:51] <Lazy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/453579
[12:51] <mattwj2002> did fsckroot get it figured out?
[12:51] <mattwj2002> it didn't work for me
[12:51] <mattwj2002> :(
[12:52] <Singba> i'm updating. but it's really suffering to download such large files.
[12:52] <rxd> is there automatic way to do apt-get update apt-get upgrade and make a new iso out of the whole tree?
[12:52] <joaopinto> rxd, no
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> rxd:  not that ive ever see
[12:53] <rxd> aufs2 must be the answer maybe so that can be done
[12:53] <kblin> Lazy: the fix-released is a joke, though:)
[12:53] <Lazy> kblin: yeah
[12:53] <mattwj2002> anyone have any other suggestions?
[12:53] <kblin> Lazy: it's merely been documented in the release notes
[12:53] <Lazy> kblin: because is is still open in upstream as i pasted
[12:54] <cyroul>  m(_  _)m
[12:54] <Lazy> kblin: it will be pretty strange if they will that slip to the final
[12:54] <cyroul> (>.<)
[12:54] <rxd> making a new iso for the new iso copy is just updating what you have on the filesyste.squashfs right?
[12:55] <Lazy> kblin: lots of people will get pissed if their large files get corrupted
[12:55] <kblin> yeah, karmic going to ext4 per default was what gave me the idea to try this
[12:56] <Lazy> mattwj2002: are you absolutely sure that everything is unmuted and 100% at alse mixer?
[12:56] <joaopinto> rxd, yes
[12:56] <mattwj2002> yes
[12:56] <Lazy> mattwj2002: it took me some time to notice that analog audio was strangely named on mu sb audigy :)
[12:57] <kblin> haha, I managed to get an md5sum twice.. not in a row, though
[12:57] <joaopinto> rxd, well, except for the livecd kernel itself, which is not on the squashfs file
[12:57] <Lazy> mattwj2002: do you see programs connecting to pulseaudio from the sound settings?
[12:57] <mattwj2002> yes two
[12:57] <rxd> joaopinto: u mean that u have on the initrd.gz
[12:58] <joaopinto> rxd, no, initrd is another story, I mean the kernel, before initrd is loaded :P
[12:58] <joaopinto> I mean vmlinuz
[12:59] <rxd> joaopinto: vmlinuz the kernel itself plus the iso cfg files
[12:59] <Lazy> mattwj2002: sorry don't know then
[12:59] <joaopinto> right, which could be different on the final cd :P
[12:59] <rxd> joaopinto: ok got u :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> the scroll text at therelease party site is rolling by very quickly with all the joins
[13:00] <BluesKaj> site =room
[13:01] <tonyyarusso> /ignore is your friend :)
[13:02] <rxd> squashfs is such an important file on ubuntu, unioning and merging/layering quite important
[13:02] <domjohnson> What is squashfs?
[13:03] <rxd> filesystem=squashfs=file example fileystem.squashfs
[13:03] <ascheel> Did 'Engadget' jump the gun in stating Karmic is released?  http://www.engadget.com (Ubuntu 9.10 'Karmic Koala' released, could decide your OS fate)
[13:03] <tonyyarusso> domjohnson: It's the compression mechanism that allows the installation CDs to hold more information than they could otherwise.
[13:03] <rxd> or it can be xxx.sfs xx.sqf something u can mount -t squashfs
[13:03] <BluesKaj> tonyyarusso, the most popular question at the release party room is...... ? :)
[13:03] <domjohnson> ahhh
[13:03] <tonyyarusso> ascheel: Yes.  #ubuntu-release-party will have an announcement from the release manager when the time comes.
[13:03] <domjohnson> cool
[13:04] <tonyyarusso> BluesKaj: If we all talk at once, will the ops' heads explode?  ;)
[13:04] <ascheel> just making sure.  Thanks, tonyyarusso.
[13:04] <BluesKaj> tonyyarusso, they must be close by now
[13:05] <rxd> squashfs is a file once mounted on a loop device you see a filesystem (directories with files inside that makes up your linux filesystem)
[13:05] <tonyyarusso> BluesKaj: Very - hence why I'm up again.  (I took a 5-hour sleep just now)
[13:05] <pradeep_> Where do i find Ubuntu one in karmic
[13:05] <om26er> !info telepathy-butterfly
[13:06] <joaopinto> pradeep_, Applications -> Internet
[13:07] <pradeep_> joaopinto: searched everywhere except that
[13:07] <joaopinto> pradeep_, ;)
[13:08] <domjohnson> GRR...Totem won't work either!
[13:08] <domjohnson> Is it a segfault when it starts and then just closes?
[13:08] <domjohnson> *it = a program
[13:09] <domjohnson> I have another favorite Linux quote now...
[13:09] <pradeep_> I just now upgraded to karmic,but grub 1.5 is still there. Grub 2 has not been installed!!?? Any fix
[13:10] <joaopinto> !karmic2 | pradeep_
[13:10] <joaopinto> ops
[13:10] <slytherin> pradeep_: while upgrade it is chainloaded into grub1.
[13:10] <joaopinto> !grub2 | pradeep_
[13:10] <slytherin> pradeep_: You should see an entry for grub2 in your current grub menu.
[13:10] <ali1234> domjohnson: run "it" in terminal and see
[13:11] <domjohnson> ohhh
[13:11] <domjohnson> Will it say it is a segfauly?
[13:11] <domjohnson> *segfault?
[13:11] <ali1234> yes
[13:11] <slytherin> larsemil: Is your broadcom problem solved?
[13:11] <domjohnson> ok
[13:11] <pradeep_> slytherin: din get u
[13:11] <domjohnson> Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal
[13:11] <domjohnson> Run 'totem --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[13:11] <pradeep_> joaopinto:din get you
[13:11] <aurolac> anyone running an MSI Wind ?
[13:11] <ali1234> domjohnson: well now you have something to type in google
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> !anyone | aurolac
[13:12] <joaopinto> domjohnson, did you run a memtest ?
[13:12] <slytherin> pradeep_: In the boot menu at the start, there should be a separate entry for grub2. Check if it is there, make sure that grub2 works properly for you and then so 'sudo update-grub'.
[13:12] <domjohnson> nope
[13:12] <joaopinto> domjohnson, you should
[13:12] <aurolac> ActionParsnip1, thx for nothing
[13:12] <domjohnson> ok...
[13:12] <domjohnson> How long do they take?
[13:12] <domjohnson> (usually)
[13:12] <aurolac> anyone running an MSI wind whos usb still does not work?
[13:12] <larsemil> slytherin: yes thank you
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: ask a silly question....
[13:12] <joaopinto> because either you have bad memory, corrupted filesystem or corrupted libraries, the first is the more likely
[13:13] <aurolac> ActionParsnip1, get a silly guy to reply
[13:13] <joaopinto> domjohnson, no idea, never needed it :P
[13:13] <pradeep_> slytherin: will try
[13:13] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: do they show up as being detected in the output of   dmesg | less
[13:13] <aurolac> nope
[13:13] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> aurolac: yep... but only because of a terrible accident with superglue
[13:13] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: exactly, so if you ask a better question you get a better reply
[13:13] <aurolac> ActionParsnip1, theres 3 or 4 diff. bugs open for it and im starting to worry
[13:13] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: tried some boot options?
[13:13] <LinDrug> If we would count all "when is it released" questions the delay would be at least a year :P
[13:13] <domjohnson> ok
[13:14] <pradeep_> slytherin: my grub consists of kernel 2.28 and 2.31 entries and one more called memtest
[13:14] <pradeep_> thats all
[13:14] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: or updating the bios
[13:14] <slytherin> pradeep_: You upgraded from jaunty right?
[13:14] <aurolac> ActionParsnip1, nothing to do with the bios, it worked fine in jaunty
[13:14] <pradeep_> slytherin: yes
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: the new release may need a later bios due to a different kernel
[13:15] <larsemil> anyone have any idea on how to have konsole open on alt+enter?
[13:15] <slytherin> pradeep_: not a clean install.
[13:15] <aurolac> when did they start this registration for the release party room :/
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: you could always reinstall jaunty as karmic clearly isnt the OS for your system
[13:15] <preecher> i cant get my update manager to list the 9.10 upgrade--i am using 9.04--any suggestions
[13:15] <pradeep_> slytherin: what, i din do anything
[13:15] <ActionParsnip1> !releaseparty
[13:15] <slytherin> pradeep_: check if you have package grub-pc installed.
[13:16] <aurolac> ActionParsnip1, clearly thats an awful idea, its a popular netbook and would be disastrous
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: jaunty is still supported for 12 more months, so itsnot so bad
[13:16] <pradeep_> slytherin: just gave update-manager -d and clicked upgrade. Thats all
[13:16] <ActionParsnip1> aurolac: i'd try a bios update for sure
[13:17] <slytherin> pradeep_: Perhaps grub2 is not installed for an upgrade case, only on fresh install.
[13:17] <joaopinto> slytherin, pradeep_ , grub2 is not installed on updates
[13:17] <joaopinto> !grub2
[13:17] <kblin> slytherin: I'm sure it's only installed on new installs
[13:17] <pradeep_> preecher: update-manager -d
[13:18] <rcaskey> hey all, does gnome-mud bail on connect for anyone else?
[13:18] <pradeep_> joapinto: shall i upgrade the grub1.5 to grub2
[13:18] <preecher> pradeep_, thx its listed now
[13:18] <pradeep_> preecher:np
[13:19] <pulpfiction> what's this?
[13:19] <pulpfiction> http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:19] <ActionParsnip1> pulpfiction: the next release of ubuntu, karmic koala
[13:19] <alokito> how many hours left? :
[13:19] <alokito> :D
[13:19] <pulpfiction> so the link leaked? :S
[13:19] <alokito> oh ok i'll join #ubuntu-relese-party :)
[13:19] <pulpfiction> is that official already?
[13:20] <tonyyarusso> no
[13:20] <spiraliz> damn you people are slow :)
[13:20] <gigasoft> does ubuntu server have a GUI?
[13:20] <aurolac> looks legit to me
[13:20] <slytherin> gigasoft: not by default
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> gigasoft:  a server - does not have X included
[13:20] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: by default no, it doesnt need one
[13:20] <ali1234> ah so italics means "that person has left the chat"
[13:20] <tonyyarusso> aurolac: so do lots of things
[13:20] <gigasoft> why?
[13:20] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: if you need a gui, install desktop
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> gigasoft:  if you want a desktop machine to work as a server also. thats doable.
[13:20] <aurolac> tonyyarusso, you gonna say thats not final ?
[13:21] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: it is configured with conf files and web interfaces
[13:21] <aurolac> at least post a torrent link instead of the iso
[13:21] <slytherin> gigasoft: because it is server install. Most of the time managed remotely (via ssh).
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> aurolac: Yes.  It's not final until it's announced as final.  They're still shifting stuff around and anything can happen.
[13:21] <alokito> gigasoft, nope its cli, but u can install ubuntu server softs in ur ubuntu desktop
[13:21] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: it not only reduces used resources but is also more secure with no gui
[13:21] <slytherin> aurolac: what is harm in waiting?
[13:21] <alokito> just search with the keyword "ubuntu server" in synaptic and install the packages
[13:21] <aurolac> slytherin, i aint downloading anything
[13:22] <gigasoft> is available server with gui??
[13:22] <joaopinto> aurolac, is not out, wait for the release announcment on the party channel
[13:22] <aurolac> im not registering :)
[13:22] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: you can install a gui on the server ut if you are going to d that you may as well install desktop, it will be exactly the same
[13:22] <joaopinto> gigasoft, no, there is no gui server version, you can use some gui tools for some adminstration tasks
[13:22] <gigasoft> because i am a new one on that field :)
[13:23] <SuperVerhs> hey all
[13:23] <gigasoft> ok, thank you all :)
[13:23] <slytherin> gigasoft: you can install GUI later. simply 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[13:23] <ActionParsnip1> gigasoft: if you install server then a desktop you will not get the benefits of server and you may as well save effort and time and install desktop
[13:23] <JediMaster> Any admins about?
[13:23] <slytherin> ActionParsnip1: But he will have both server and desktop applications
[13:24] <tonyyarusso> JediMaster: #ubuntu-ops has them
[13:24] <JediMaster> thanks
[13:24] <h00k> JediMaster: if you're looking for ubuntu ops, check #ubuntu-ops
[13:24] <h00k> tonyyarusso: you beat me
[13:24] <mattwj2002> is today the day ?
[13:24] <mattwj2002> :
[13:24] <ActionParsnip1> slytherin: you can install the server apps on the desktop if needed
[13:24] <ActionParsnip1> slytherin: just like you need to install the server apps on the server install
[13:24] <mattwj2002> does 9.10 come out today?
[13:24] <kblin> h00k: that's a clear yes...no...maybe
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> mattwj2002: yes today
[13:25] <slytherin> ActionParsnip1: most of the server apps are installed by default on a server install :-)
[13:25] <mattwj2002> \o/
[13:25] <kblin> slytherin: not really
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> slytherin: you may not want them all
[13:25] <kblin> slytherin: I seem to remember having to install openssh-server everytime
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> I find its better to just install the services you need on a desktop machine.. then try to install a desktop.. on a server machine
[13:25] <h00k> kblin: hrm?
[13:26] <slytherin> kblin: surprising. Did you log a bug?
[13:26] <kblin> h00k: nm, tab-completion fail, that was directed at mattwj2002
[13:27] <h00k> kblin: :) no problem, it happens
[13:27] <kblin> slytherin: I don't consider this a bug
[13:27] <kblin> slytherin: I _want_ to specify stuff I want on a server install
[13:27] <h00k> kblin: I've had a migraine for a long time, I'm in a fog, I thought perhaps I missed something
[13:27] <slytherin> kblin: What's the point of a server install if it does not have ssh server. :-)
[13:27] <kblin> slytherin: people might want to run some other server, like dropbear
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> ssh is to handy to not install. :)
[13:28] <kblin> slytherin: but where do you draw the line?
[13:28] <kblin> e.g. most people might want a web server on their box to consider it a server
[13:28] <kblin> I don't
[13:28] <slytherin> kblin: My point is that if I am doing server install, I don't plan to sit at the machine most of the time. So ssh server is must.
[13:29] <kblin> slytherin: ok, but how do you handle openssh vs dropbear?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip1> kblin: thats why i use ulite now instead of the bloated install that comes with a stock install
[13:29] <slytherin> dropbear is in universe so it will not make on server CD.
[13:29] <kblin> slytherin: I have to admit that my last server install was a LTS, which still is 8.04, iirc
[13:29] <slytherin> I mean it is not going to be included in server CD.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ikonia is chastising the impatient
[13:30] <blaz3> I wonder why installing from 'mini.iso' is not advertised on releases.ubuntu.com
[13:30] <ikonia> no I'm not
[13:30] <kblin> my more current servers are manually bootstrapped ARM boxes
[13:30] <slytherin> blaz3: Because you need lot of bandwidth
[13:30] <mercutio22> How can I recover grub2 from a live cd?
[13:31] <mikedep333> kblin, where'd you get an ARM box?
[13:31] <blaz3> slytherin: but you download only requested packages..
[13:31] <mikedep333> I've been looking for an ARM nettop
[13:31] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: are you there?
[13:31] <kblin> mikedep333: tricky. I'm using two beagleboards, but they're somewhat lacking
[13:31] <dmatt> grub2 | mercutio22
[13:32] <dmatt> !grub2 | mercutio22
[13:32] <mikedep333> kblin, ahh, yes. I saw them, but I'd prefer something with a full set of ports and a lower price
[13:32] <kevin009> lol... on slashdot it says 9.10 has been released, but it hasn't
[13:32] <mikedep333> kevin009, it's on mirrors now
[13:32] <kblin> mikedep333: I've had to play with kernels alot to find one that ran USB without hiccups on a revC board, I still don't have a stable kernel for revB
[13:32] <mikedep333> I see
[13:32] <kblin> mikedep333: I also used to have a sheevaplug, but that broke within three weeks
[13:33] <mikedep333> kblin, wow, I was thinking of getting one
[13:33] <kevin009> i plan to get it from a torrent
[13:33] <kblin> I'm still waiting for a replacement, so I can't tell if this was a one-time problem
[13:33] <kblin> the overall hardware looked nice, with gigabit ethernet and all
[13:33] <slytherin> blaz3: And for casual user that means at least 500MB download. :-)
[13:33] <kblin> but the default kernel is pretty shoddy
[13:34] <mikedep333> kblin, yeah, I wish they sold nettops for $100 like that
[13:34] <kblin> or rather the basic ubuntu install is broken
[13:34] <kblin> it's missing /lib/modules
[13:36] <mikedep333> in all honesty, I find it ridiculous that you can't buy an ARM computer for $200 or less. People need affordable computers. But I suppose major companies want windows because it is cheaper to support.
[13:36] <kblin> mikedep333: haven't tried the gumstix overo
[13:37] <hansfbaier> I have a problem with karmic: svn update with any svn+ssh-repository returns with: svn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
[13:37] <hansfbaier> Where to file bugs, exactly?
[13:37] <mikedep333> kblin, something that small is useful for tiny embedded devices, but I want something with a full selection of ports
[13:37] <hansfbaier> Surely, in launchpad, but.... where?
[13:37] <dib_> the topic is outdated :)
[13:37] <mikedep333> hansfbaier, in ubuntu run: apport-bug "packagename"
[13:38] <hansfbaier> mikedep333: thanks!
[13:38] <tonyyarusso> dib_: No it's not.  Give it time.
[13:38] <mikedep333> I'm not sure what the package name would be though
[13:38] <mikedep333> no quotation marks in it
[13:38] <kblin> mikedep333: I think the beagleboard would be a strong contender if it had (gigabit) ethernet onboard
[13:38] <vega-> subversion
[13:38] <mikedep333> kblin, yeah, to make it a server
[13:38] <kblin> mikedep333: it has DVI and svideo
[13:39] <kblin> connect a usb hub with mouse and keyboard and it's a decent desktop, I think
[13:39] <kblin> you shouldn't use a bloated desktop environment, I guess
[13:40] <mikedep333> kblin, doesn't it only have 128 MB of ram?
[13:40] <kblin> mikedep333: 256 for the revCs
[13:40] <mikedep333> oh, cool
[13:40] <kblin> some years ago that used to run linux quite well
[13:40] <mikedep333> but I would like to run full gnome or xfce
[13:40] <mikedep333> and they need like 512
[13:40] <mikedep333> I know
[13:41] <kblin> I blame lazy programmers
[13:41] <alankila> 256 + compcache is pretty good
[13:41] <mikedep333> don't forget, you can buy this nettop for $200
[13:41] <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AspireRevo-AR1600-U910H-Desktop-Windows/dp/B002O3W44Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256823665&sr=8-1
[13:41] <mikedep333> I hear it runs linux well
[13:41] <JackD>     it is cheaper to buy pre-installed with linux
[13:42] <alankila> as a programmer I'd like to note that we are still starved for both cpu and memory, and consequently have to use tools that suck for the demands heaped upon you. I think modern systems are on the verge of having enough resources to make programming humane, though.
[13:42] <mikedep333> JackD, sadly, no
[13:43] <JackD> mikedep333: it wasn't a question ;)
[13:43] <JackD> it is available with linux and costs less
[13:43] <kblin> mikedep333: it would be possible to build the same thing with an arm processor, but as a company, why build a box that won't run an OS that has 90+% market share?
[13:43] <mikedep333> JackD, where?
[13:43] <kblin> mikedep333: even apple went intel
[13:43] <JackD> play.com has them with linux
[13:44] <ActionParsnip1> nvidia ion is nice
[13:44] <JackD> it runs ubuntu nicely
[13:44] <JackD> nice mediac
[13:44] <kblin> alankila: I disagree. seeing how binary sizes have exploded in the last years, I bet we'll all go on wasting memory
[13:45] <mikedep333> JackD, nice, but I'm in the US
[13:45] <alankila> plus there is a real reason to develope memory- and cpu-conservative solutions now that phones are running free software generally.
[13:45] <mikedep333> google shopping does not find the r3600L
[13:45] <JackD> mikedep333: buy it from acer direct
[13:45] <alankila> kblin: well, there is a practical limit to how much memory you can possibly need for a task. Unless the demands scale up respectively, of course.
[13:46] <kblin> alankila: why is it that the "granny benchmark" hasn't improved much in the last ten years?
[13:46] <alankila> I mean, browsers are large and complex not because of programmer laziness but because the web is complex. That being said, firefox sucks and webkit is pretty good. It's the difference between intrinsic and accidental complexity.
[13:46] <kblin> alankila: the granny benchmark is "booting up the pc, writing a letter to granny and printing it", incidently
[13:47] <mikedep333> JackD, acer direct is only for the UK :(
[13:47] <mikedep333> *europe
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> uk win
[13:47] <JackD> hehe
[13:47] <JackD> mikedep333: you can claim back your windows license fee, here we can't ;)
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> alankila: dillo is pretty small as is kazechase
[13:48] <alankila> has it not improved? If you go back 20 years you would presumably have used some text-mode editor and a line printer. I'm sure compared to that you can fire up a text editor and lpr pretty fast these days.
[13:48] <alankila> the GUIs keep on evolving more complexity, though, so if you have to start one of those, then it's game over
[13:48] <scott_ino2> so what happens to this channel after today exactly?
[13:48] <mikedep333> JackD, yeah, but I don't want to do that to a company that does offer linux
[13:48] <mikedep333> I would do that for say gateway
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> alankila: look into lxde, super light and functional
[13:48] <mikedep333> although gateway is terrible
[13:49] <alankila> ActionParsnip1: yes, incidentally I run LXDe.
[13:49] <ActionParsnip1> alankila: me too, frees up ram
[13:49] <alankila> ActionParsnip1: the real problem with dillo is that it isn't a modern browser.
[13:49] <alankila> webkit can be used for real sites, dillo only for stuff that would have worked in, I don't know, 1995.
[13:49] <kblin> alankila: 10 years ago I'd have used win98 and office97, which is pretty gui. mostly because it was impossible to get the stupid GDI ink printer to work on linux :)
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> alankila: changelog was updated today for 2.2
[13:50] <mikedep333> alankila, no javascript support?
[13:50] <kblin> alankila: still, I'm saying that if people build bling, they should build fast bling or not do it
[13:50] <mikedep333> (or primitive at that)
[13:50] <alankila> yes, well, last time I looked into dillo it didn't have javascript so it's useless.
[13:51] <mikedep333> yeah, can you even use gmail on it?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip1> alankila: kazenchase is firefox but very stripped down, its the default browser in fluxbuntu
[13:52] <kevin009> i am impressed with how fast 9.10 shuts down
[13:53] <ActionParsnip1> kevin009: you shutdown
[13:53] <ActionParsnip1> ?
[13:53] <alankila> anyway, to conclude: my point was that what people see as bloat and laziness is not a very realistic view of the software development process. There are competing tradeoffs you have to make, some for using languages like python or java to ease the development and make stuff possible that is very hard (or impossible) in C. Secondly the demands grow all the time, which people ignore. GUIs these days have to look pretty or they don't get used, so bling is s
[13:54] <ali1234> bloat is when an mp3 player uses 500mb and 70% cpu
[13:54] <alankila> now a smart programmer does only "fast" bling, and not the sort of stuff which bogs stuff... But ultimately, the question is about defining bloat. I submit that we can't agree on its definition.
[13:54] <ali1234> there's no excuse for that especially when it is handing off the decoding to gstreamer
[13:54] <ActionParsnip1> ali1234: sounds like amarok
[13:54] <ali1234> i wouldn't know because i can't stand KDE
[13:55] <ali1234> i'm actually describing banshee, but the same problem seems to apply to every mp3 jukebox system since winamp 3
[13:55] <fsckroot> brand new 9.10 install - no sound with intel 82801G - any fix suggestions?
[13:56] <alankila> sounds like pretty bad design for banshee if that is the case. I'm sure everyone will want to flog mono a bit at this point, but it's more likely just an honest bug somewhere. Mono is fairly efficient both cpu and memorywise.
[13:56] <mikedep333> fsckroot, try looking throug the sound preferences for different sound profiles
[13:56] <joaopinto> alankila, let's keep the channel for support ;)
[13:56] <mikedep333> under the hardware tab of sound preferences
[13:57] <alankila> yeh, off-topic rambling is such an irresistible lure. Coffee ->
[13:57] <h00k> someone said coffee.
[13:57] <mikedep333> cya guys later
[13:58] <slayton> is it out?
[13:59] <joaopinto> slayton, no
[13:59] <slayton> then why is engadget providing a link to a 9.10 iso?
[13:59] <scott_ino2> uhh... yeah it is
[13:59] <joaopinto> slayton, check the topic
[13:59] <joaopinto> scott_ino2, no it's not, and move that chat to the release party
[14:00] <MurielGodoi> slayton: read the !topic
[14:00] <slayton> joaopinto, so the link is for the RC?
[14:00] <joaopinto> slayton, I don't know and you should not care, there are no official links at this time
[14:01] <scott_ino2> sadly this happens every release of every distro..
[14:01] <slayton> :-(
[14:01] <djzn> I think there is a CRITICAL showstopper..... and that is why the delay
[14:02]  * tonyyarusso is sad that not booting on sparc isn't a showstopper
[14:02] <joaopinto> !ot
[14:02] <kevin009> anybody know why I can't toggle the wifi on my eeepc 900ha? it says it can't wake up the chip (ath5k)
[14:03] <slytherin> tonyyarusso: use Debian for that. :-)
[14:03] <MurielGodoi> kevin009: everythins works fine on my eeepc 1008ha
[14:03] <slayton> djzn, they are probably just distributing the appropriate isos to the mirrors and making sure everybody is ready for the huge bandwidth hit
[14:03] <kevin009> they must have a different chipset in it
[14:04] <kevin009> this one uses the ath5k driver, and I can turn it off with fn+f2, but it doesn't turn on properly
[14:05] <MurielGodoi> kevin009: probably they are different
[14:06] <tonyyarusso> slytherin: Yeah, but still.
[14:06] <MurielGodoi> kevin009: there is one things that doesnt work is the touchpad toggle button
[14:07] <MurielGodoi> Does 900ha have a touchpad toggle button, Does it wok fine?
[14:07] <MurielGodoi> kevin:  ^
[14:08] <djzn> slayton: I must praise Microsoft for their release time... Windows 7 was available exactly at 12:00am on retail stores here, on 22nd. It's a shame that an open community didn't take care of final arrangements before the D day, and going to release sometime through the day with a GMT +12 deadline....
[14:08] <coz_> hey gusy..first is grub2 menu...then some text..then the white ubuntu logo...the the whitel ubuntu  with trobbing progress  ..then the gdm then the whit ubuntu again with throbbing progress bar?
[14:08] <slayton> djzn, yep its a real shame that canonical doesn't have the billions of dollars behind it to push out a perfectly timed release like microsoft
[14:08] <slytherin> djzn: Why is that so bad?
[14:08] <vega-> djzn: it's going to be released today, exactly why would it matter which hour it is released?
[14:08] <charlie-tca> You mean MS finally released when they said they would, not 1 or 2 or 5 years later
[14:08] <slayton> charlie-tca, ha ha
[14:09] <vega-> djzn: m$ doesn't need to synchronize mirrors for download all over the world
[14:09] <slayton> djzn, its free software, i'm just happy people are giving it away for free!
[14:09] <patdk-lap> hell, why won't firefox stop crashing
[14:10] <MurielGodoi> patdk-lap: wierd.. firefox is not crashing here
[14:10] <djzn> i'm OK with it
[14:10] <Trewas> djzn: besides, windows 7 was available months earlier (through msdn and so) so they had to only delay the release to general public for few months to get perfect synchronization
[14:10] <kblin> :)
[14:10] <patdk-lap> heh, this is the first time it's *crashed*
[14:10] <kblin> Trewas: I was about to say..
[14:10] <patdk-lap> but several times now when I start it, it says unable to recover from crash
[14:10] <vega-> i don't understand what's there to "praise" for releasing exactly on some minute
[14:11] <JackD> slashdot saying 9.10 is released hihi
[14:11] <kblin> JackD: that's because slashdot sucks ;)
[14:11] <vega-> oh, hail the mighty bill gates for releasing exactly 1200 hours whatever time
[14:11] <djzn> it doesn't matter, it doesn't look that was THAT REAL hard to get everything done till past 12:00AM
[14:12] <rockrat> hello
[14:12] <slayton> djzn if your really bothered you can always volunteer to help with the next release. I'm pretty convinced that they canonical guys aren't just sitting on their butts doing nothing
[14:12] <kblin> djzn: speaking of which, what timezone was that?
[14:13] <slayton> they do alot for a little in return
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Karmic been available for testing for 5 months, too, Trewas
[14:13] <JackD> windows 7 could have been released two weeks early and it will still suck :)
[14:13] <rockrat> when can't i listen to more than one program simultaneously. it happens such that, only one audio stream can be played at any time.
[14:14] <djzn> it was easier then to say Ubuntu released on 30th...
[14:14] <djzn> see what I mean, it's a phylosophical ISSUE here
[14:14] <Trewas> charlie-tca: I meant that the final release of windows 7 was available months before they started selling it... which is completely offtopic, but just pointing out for djzn that it's easy to be perfectly on time when the target time is far enough in the future
[14:14] <joaopinto> djzn, you understand about 24h days and timezones right :) ?
[14:15] <djzn> Trewas: the Windows RTM... not the Retail
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Ah-ha! right you are.
[14:15] <rockrat> like can only listen to youtube on firefox, and all other applications will have no sound. /var/log/messages show audio device bussy
[14:15] <JackD> i would rather ubuntu release when they are ready and not get bogged down in time lines like commercial orribleness
[14:15] <MurielGodoi> djzn: So spend some bucks and buy a w7 licence... are u helping to code ubuntu? so wait...
[14:15] <coz_> rockrat,  that shouldnt be for sure
[14:15] <coz_> rockrat,  is this an upgrade from jaunty or clean install?
[14:16] <djzn> joaopinto: yes, I understand, and with logic, I could conclude that the release would have followed the Isle of Man time, 12:00AM
[14:16] <rockrat> coz_: clean install
[14:16] <coz_> rockrat,   which audio card is on that system?
[14:16] <rockrat> ens1371
[14:17] <rockrat> coz_: ens1371, internal audio ...
[14:17] <joaopinto> djzn, you mean with "your" logic :)
[14:17] <djzn> no... i meant, common sense
[14:17] <coz_> rockrat,   mm   I generally compile my own alsa driver and do not depend on pulseaudio at all ....  you might want to check in #alsa channel   I bet they might have more info
[14:17] <patdk-lap> common sense? that still exists?
[14:18] <joaopinto> anyway, let's not got OT here :)
[14:18] <rockrat> coz_: ok
[14:18] <rockrat> coz_: thanks
[14:18] <joaopinto> get
[14:18] <djzn> ubuntu = isle of man.... 29th 00:00 GMT...
[14:18] <coz_> rockrat,  no problem...I know how difficutlt it is when audio acts up
[14:18] <joaopinto> djzn, ubuntu = all of us :)
[14:18] <kevin009> can i do a base system install and/or a cd upgrade from the normal disk?
[14:19] <joaopinto> kevin009, if you mean upgrade from the desktop cd, no, you need to do a clean install from it
[14:19] <djzn> joaopinto: oh ok, in that sense
[14:19] <patdk-lap> hmm, sure you can, if you add the cd to your sources.list
[14:20] <djzn> OK DUDES, I SEE NOW THE OFFICIAL ISOS
[14:20] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, I don't think you can add the desktop cd as source, can you ?
[14:20] <patdk-lap> well, dunno about karmic, but all the ones before it could be
[14:20] <joaopinto> djzn, please read the topic, and join ghe correct channel
[14:21] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, are you sure you did it with the desktop cd, not the alternate ?
[14:21] <djzn> which is the correct channel
[14:21] <patdk-lap> I always found it half pointless myself though, cause the cd was always outdate by the time I used it
[14:21] <joaopinto> djzn, #ubuntu-release-party
[14:21] <tonyyarusso> djzn: YOU don't decide when they're official.  The release manager does, and will tell us.
[14:21] <djzn> joaopinto: the official isos are up then... you confirm
[14:21] <domjohnson> joaopinto: memtest has finished. Weas found error free
[14:21] <joaopinto> djzn, no I do not
[14:21] <djzn> tonyyarusso: looks like they're official to me...
[14:22] <tonyyarusso> djzn: Doesn't mean they are.  #ubuntu-release-party will say so when they are
[14:22] <tonyyarusso> (and this channel will cease to exist)
[14:22] <djzn> I see the whole thing with MD5SUMs, stuff and release notes, it's OUT
[14:22] <joaopinto> djzn, your focus seems to be for"me" and (my) "logic" :)
[14:23] <joaopinto> djzn, please stop, you have a reading problem ?
[14:23] <djzn> would be ridiculous to believe that they would take everything off and replace with something else
[14:23] <dmatt> dzjn: nothing is official until somebody from Caninical declares it so.
[14:23] <dmatt> Canonical
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> So go do what you want. :)
[14:23] <djzn> Slashdot already beat Canonical in the announcement
[14:23]  * Dr_Willis is going to take a week off.
[14:23] <scott_ino2> ;)
[14:24] <joaopinto> djzn, you were so concerned about release timing, and now you decided it's released ? You could have decided that yourself some hours ago, to save us from complains :)
[14:24] <CyberZet> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[14:24] <djzn> the release time does not matter anymore
[14:24] <djzn> the ISOs are available and it's up
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> so let it drop :)
[14:24]  * textureglitch is downloading it now
[14:24] <kblin> ah, beatiful zen
[14:25] <patdk-lap> joaopinto, just testedwith my karmic rc cdrom, works fine
[14:25]  * Dr_Willis has it allready.. :P
[14:25] <patdk-lap> desktop x64 atleast
[14:25] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, ok, so I am wrong, thanks
[14:26]  * kblin doubts any of his problems existing on his system today will be magically fixed by the fact of karmic being the new stable
[14:26] <patdk-lap> deb cdrom:/ karmic main restricted
[14:26] <ali1234> my /var/log/syslog is growing at the rate of 1GB per hour and i can't stop it
[14:27] <djzn> just a matter of minutes
[14:27] <patdk-lap> ali1234, easy solution, symlink it to /dev/null
[14:27] <patdk-lap> or find out what is broken and logging all those messages
[14:27] <vega-> ali1234: perhaps fix what is causing the logging?
[14:27] <ali1234> patdk-lap: i already know and have reported the bug
[14:27] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, symlinking to dev null is an horrible solution
[14:27] <patdk-lap> joaopinto, ya, but it works :)
[14:27] <patdk-lap> ali1234, modify syslog to not log that message?
[14:28] <joaopinto> patdk-lap, smashing its system with a hammer would also work, it doesn't turn it into a fix :)
[14:28] <ali1234> no, it wouldn't work at all
[14:28] <ali1234> it would just make a worse problem
[14:28] <patdk-lap> joaopinto, hmm, people I work for thinks that is a perfect solution
[14:28] <patdk-lap> you smash the computer with a hammer so you can FINALLY get updated hardware
[14:28] <ali1234> i would have already symlinked it to /dev/null, but every time i delete it it is instantly recreated
[14:29] <coz_> mm this channel s hould be gone soon  right?
[14:29] <ali1234> bug 463276
[14:29] <patdk-lap> ali1234, learn how to use rsyslog
[14:29] <richardcavell_> Please take off-topic chat regarding karmic to #ubuntu.  This is the channel for discussing 10.04.
[14:29] <slytherin> coz_: Why?
[14:30] <coz_> slytherin,  well after the release this channel should stop being available
[14:30] <kblin> richardcavell_: nope
[14:30] <kblin> richardcavell_: not until the topic says so
[14:30] <RomD> coz_: lucid
[14:30] <coz_> RomD,   ah  so soon ?
[14:30] <kblin> richardcavell_: which is pretty much what defines what is off-topic
[14:30] <slytherin> coz_: Nope. The channel is always there for discussing next Ubuntu release.
[14:30] <coz_> i see
[14:30] <MisterN> in which timezone is the release date :)
[14:30] <joaopinto> ali1234, sudo chmod +i /var/log/syslog (if you really want to make it immutable)
[14:31] <MisterN> ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> coz , it will be for the lucid lunatic or whatever the next one is called :)
[14:31] <coz_> slytherin,  well then I have a few suggestions when the switch over begins :)
[14:31] <Squirm> MisterN, i heard GMT -11
[14:31] <richardcavell_> Lazy Leopard
[14:31] <MisterN> Squirm: heh.
[14:31] <richardcavell_> Lugubrious Lemur
[14:32] <vega-> it seems to be released, #ubuntu changed channel topic already
[14:32] <JackD> yay 9.10 is here
[14:32] <CreativeChemist> ubuntu.com is updated... they made it all pretty
[14:32] <coz_> yep
[14:32] <i_is_broke> limp leopard
[14:33] <coz_> ok now lets talk lucid lol
[14:33] <vega-> yes, finally got rid of this release fuzz
[14:33] <RomD> no updates for my RC
[14:33] <i_is_broke> now 10.4 is suppose to be the lts?
[14:33] <penyshocker> fascinating
[14:33] <vega-> any pointers to plans for 10.04 ?
[14:33] <penyshocker> bunutu is were
[14:33] <penyshocker> yeah lunatic lemur is going to use 2.6.34
[14:33] <rxd> its like new year :)
[14:34] <BluesKaj> .me checks the repos
[14:34] <coz_> well the one major error on karmic was the boot sequence ...immature...bland ..unconnected with the ubuntu colors and extremely disappointing
[14:34] <i_is_broke> i had no updates either..guess i was already running the newest..lol
[14:35] <kblin> er..
[14:35] <kblin> oh, whatever..
[14:35] <patdk-lap> ali1234, check out /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM
[14:36] <ali1234> patdk-lap: file does not exist
[14:36] <djzn> joaopinto: so, it is OUT for you now?
[14:36] <patdk-lap> it's not a file
[14:36] <patdk-lap> it's a directory
[14:36] <ali1234> patdk-lap: directory does not exist either
[14:36] <DB42> what is the torrent link for ubuntu 9.10 DVD (alternative+desktop+server) ?
[14:36] <RomD> anyone from canonical here? the netbook remix link is wrong
[14:37] <bullgard4> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.31.14-generic #48-ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux' <- Ist this the final Karmic or a preliminary Karmic release?
[14:38] <charlie-tca> final
[14:38] <bullgard4> RomD: The least thing you should do is to specify the link exactly.
[14:38] <SlimG> ubuntu.com says karmic is out
[14:38] <i_is_broke> yup
[14:38] <SlimG> request topic change
[14:38] <vega-> SlimG: "old news"
[14:39] <JackD> the iso's are not up yet though
[14:39] <RomD> bullgard4: seems like they fixed it already
[14:39] <patdk-lap> ali1234, your positive your cpu isn't overheating?
[14:39] <RomD> nevermind, still pointing to an img file
[14:40] <ali1234> patdk-lap: like i said on the report, the cpu doesn't support temp monitoring, so neither I or the computer has any way of knowing
[14:40] <RomD> http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/ubuntu-releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-netbook-remix-i386.img
[14:40] <RomD> should be .iso
[14:40] <slytherin> bullgard4: kernel is just another component. How will that decide the state of the release?
[14:40] <patdk-lap> ah, didn't see that line
[14:40] <Plugh> Is there anything I need to do to update from the Karmic beta to the official release?
[14:41] <bullgard4> slytherin: "Another"? Can you elaborate.
[14:41] <ali1234> it also doesn't support frequency throttling so the spammed messages are both annoying and doubly misleading
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Plugh: If you applied the updates, you are good
[14:41] <JackD> that is nice of them to list it as .img we can get a download before the servers get flooded :) hehe
[14:41] <Plugh> charlie-tca: ok. I thought that might be the case. Wanted to be sure.
[14:41] <bullgard4> Plugh: Yes: Upgrading.
[14:41] <coz_> are the ubuntuhashes available for karmic yet?
[14:42] <ptn107> DB42: dvds here  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Karmic Koala is OUT!!! | Channel guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseParties for parties in your area. Please try to use a torrent or a mirror to get your downloads
[14:42] <slytherin> bullgard4: What you are telling us is just kernel version. There are hundreds of package which may not be up2date on your machine.
[14:42] <ali1234> and even if the cpu *was* overheating, spamming dmesg at a high enough rate to max it out is not the best idea
[14:42] <darthanubis> Happy Ubuntu everyone!
[14:42] <ali1234> bah humbug
[14:42] <macsim_> hi, I have an issue with network card, some webside doesn't work, when I'm on wired network but does if I'm on wireless network, I found some bug report on lauchpad about that but they are old and fix anybody knows how I can fix that ?
[14:43] <bullgard4> slytherin: What command will tell me if I have a final Karmic on my computer or not?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ali1234, heh yeah, what's the fuss all about , not even in the repos yet
[14:43] <joaopinto> !final | bullgard4
[14:43] <slytherin> bullgard4: try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'. If there are no upgrades available then you have final karmic.
[14:44] <[V]ortex`> haha channel topic should be changed
[14:44] <[V]ortex`> to LL
[14:44] <mphill> are the servers totally slow right now?
[14:44] <domjohnson> So....the final release is here now?
[14:44] <domjohnson> Im confused...
[14:44] <patdk-lap> faster today than yesterday for me
[14:44] <mphill> domjohnson: yes
[14:44] <mphill> its released
[14:45] <domjohnson> WHOOO!
[14:45] <mphill> 100%
[14:45] <domjohnson> cool
[14:45] <JackD> they will be loaded up to high heaven soon
[14:45] <coz_> karmic hashes anyone?
[14:45]  * patdk-lap notes no new packages since yesterday
[14:45] <charlie-tca> My guess is the servers will be slow for a day or two
[14:45] <dib_> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[14:45] <domjohnson> Well...actually...im still having problems
[14:45] <domjohnson> So...nich so gut...
[14:45] <mphill> JackD: they changed how updates work, hopfully the traffic is more staggered now
[14:45] <dib_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/MD5SUMS
[14:46] <penyshocker> please someone fix this bug?
[14:46] <penyshocker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[14:46] <patdk-lap> is't that just a feature request?
[14:46] <lemonade> penyshocker: just fixed it
[14:47] <penyshocker> this is a upcoming event request
[14:48] <Ian_Corne> noes! all my friends :(
[14:48] <Ian_Corne> :p
[14:48] <bullgard4> slytherin: Thank you.
[14:49] <coz_> still not finding 9.10 hashes
[14:49] <penyshocker> ashes to ashes, dust to dust?
[14:49] <tazz> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-October/000127.html
[14:49] <JackD> < dib_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/MD5SUMS
[14:50] <coz_> JackD,  thanks guy
[14:55] <Lazy> are the torrents up?
[14:56] <CyberZet> where do I find valid CheckSum Hashes for Ubuntu 9.10?
[14:56] <CyberZet> The Ubuntu Hashes page is not updated.
[14:58] <Lazy> CyberZet: http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com//releases/9.10/MD5SUMS
[15:02] <Rafik> aren't we all supposed to be kicked out of here ? :-D
[15:03] <domjohnson> Probably
[15:03] <domjohnson> lol
[15:03] <MisterN> why?
[15:03] <coz_> Rafik,  I t hough maybe the topic would be changed to lucid
[15:03] <domjohnson> Most people on #ubuntu won't have upgraded yet tho
[15:03] <MisterN> we can now talk about LL?
[15:03] <Rafik> euh...
[15:03] <Rafik> you geek
[15:04] <domjohnson> !topic
[15:05] <Pici> The channel is invite only and set to forward to #ubuntu if you try to rejoin
[15:10]  * penyshocker is just downloading the first tech preview of Lunatic Lemur 10.04
[15:10] <neoTheCat> i am getting IO errors when using a USB dvd/cd burner and trying to put a blank CD/DVD in.  and the drive is recognized, but the DVD/CD isn't when i put in a recorded CD/DVD
[15:11] <darthanubis> neoTheCat, the ONLY time I ever got those erros was when my drive failed or was failing
[15:11] <JoshuaL> is there anything special i have to do when using the RC to upgrade to the final?
[15:11] <darthanubis> but that is just my experience
[15:11] <JoshuaL> since there are no updates avaible (installed the latest 2 days ago or so)
[15:11] <neoTheCat> darthanubis: yeah, that's what got me worried, but it works fine in a 9.04 box.
[15:11] <darthanubis> JoshuaL, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:12] <neoTheCat> darthanubis: actually, i should boot into windows on this box and see if i have any problems...
[15:12] <JoshuaL> python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-gnome
[15:12] <JoshuaL> are the only ones, good to see nothing much changed then ^^
[15:12] <darthanubis> JoshuaL, that is all I had to updat as well, I've been keeping up with my updates
[15:13] <JoshuaL> k :)
[15:13] <JoshuaL> ty
[15:13] <darthanubis> np :)
[15:13] <JoshuaL> cant wait to play with 10.04 ;p
[15:14] <darthanubis> ha!
[15:14] <darthanubis> As Aquaman would say 'OUTRAGEOUS!'
[15:16] <coz_> guys I want to have this considered...now...so that come two weeks before lucid release I am not complaining about crap artwork and ideas from conincal lol   http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/search/label/*buntu
[15:16] <coz_> take a look at the propsed boot sequence  origianll for karmic  but hopefully for lucis
[15:16] <coz_> lucis
[15:16] <coz_> lucid
[15:16] <coz_> damn fingers
[16:28] <ripps> is this channel being shut down?
[16:37] <kklimonda> probably
[16:38] <kklimonda> it will redirect to #ubuntu
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> ima try and stay :p
[17:15] <grahzny> There's always an Ubuntu+1 ;)
[17:31] <slacker_nl> JoshuaL: jij hier? ;)
[18:15] <gh0zt_> is there a minimal install version of karmic planned?  i want a bare bones desktop as small as possible
[18:16] <joaopinto> gh0st, I believe the serve cd allows a minimal install
[18:16] <joaopinto> serer
[18:16] <joaopinto> server
[18:24] <syn-ack> Anyone have an idea of when when abouts the Lucid Toolchain opens?
[18:35] <yofel> syn-ack: usually somtime around the UDS iirc
[18:35] <syn-ack> yofel, yeah, thats what I thought too till wgrant told me otherwise. :/
[18:36] <mac_v> syn-ack: seems like it will be around 4weeks from now :(
[18:36] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule maybe?
[18:36] <syn-ack> space space
[18:36] <syn-ack> good freaking somehting was caught in my spacebar
[18:37] <syn-ack> next week... more or less is when the fun starts like Colin told me like an hour ago. :P
[18:39] <mac_v> syn-ack: oh, i thought that the alpha1 was the toolchain :/   how to upgrade to the toolchain? and what is the difference between toolchain and alpha?
[18:39] <syn-ack> mac_v, the toolchain is what everything is built upon
[18:39] <syn-ack> ie its gcc, glib glibc etc
[18:39] <mac_v> ah
[18:40] <syn-ack> mac_v, The new version of that is always gonna get uploaded first, so that you can start building off it
[18:40] <yofel> mac_v: iirc the alpha is the first point you can upgrade to, for the toolchain you need to edit the sources.list (I'm not sure though)
[18:40] <syn-ack> yofel, thats correct
[18:41] <mac_v> heh , untill alpha we can have fun with the -proposed  , i guess ;)
[18:41] <syn-ack> yofel, I used to do everything "The Debian Way" in ubuntu anyway up till about a year ago so this is no big deal
[18:41] <Boohbah> lucid lynx!
[18:43] <syn-ack> they will apparently start uploading here soon as well. Colin said he finished building the lucid layout today so
[18:43] <syn-ack> GET READY BOYS AND GIRLS!!! :P
[18:43] <yofel> hehe :D
[18:44] <mac_v> hehe :P
[18:44] <mac_v> so i guess this will be an invite only channel for the next month :(
[18:46] <Boohbah> syn-ack: who is Colin?
[18:49] <syn-ack> cjwatson
[18:49] <syn-ack> :D
[18:49] <mac_v> heh , \o/ i guessed right ;)
[18:51] <Alan> ooh, it's out?
[18:58] <funkyHat> hurrah
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> here's to 10.04
[19:00]  * cwillu_at_work clinks
[19:05]  * Deathvalley122 is still upgrading
 cjwatson: lucid tarballs uploading now.
[19:06] <syn-ack> w00t
[19:10]  * hifi hopes for PHP 5.3 in lucid
[19:36] <chris|> quick question: is there any easy way to check if I'm connected to a specific vpn via nm?
[19:57] <tag_> hifi: :-(
[23:10] <rashed2020> Is this chan for 10.04 now? :P
[23:13] <yofel> rashed2020: yes it is, or rather will be once the toolchain is open
[23:15] <arand> Which is not until the 5th
[23:16] <kklimonda> rashed2020, no - it's going to be closed soon and only when it's reopen it will be for 10.04
[23:21] <Tronic> Good work guys, even Pulseaudio is (mostly) working :)
[23:21] <Tronic> And I *really* love the encrypted home option in the installer.
[23:21] <Tronic> See you closer to the next release...