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| pwnguin | i hear someone was working on maemo in ubuntu. stil true? | 16:45 |
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| Meizirkki | pwnguin, Have a look at Mer http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:48 |
| pwnguin | ive seen mer | 16:50 |
| pwnguin | i just grabbed a vbox image last night | 16:50 |
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| armin76 | Martyn: 9.10! | 18:56 |
| ojn | lool: Do you happen to have info on what the different DIP switches on the pegatron/efika control? No silk screen info. :( | 19:13 |
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| darkstar62 | Is ubuntu 9.10 supported on the ARMv5te architecture, or is what I've been hearing true that it requires ARM6 or later with vfp? | 20:55 |
| armin76 | ogra: ^ | 20:55 |
| ojn | Karmic is ARMv6 and above | 20:58 |
| ojn | (big difference between ARMv6 and ARM6 :-) | 20:58 |
| darkstar62 | right, v6 is what I meant. As in, won't run on v5te without vfp | 20:59 |
| eFfeM | any particular reason ? debian still supports v5te iirc | 21:00 |
| darkstar62 | I run ubuntu on my sheevaplug (which is ARMv5te-based without a vfp), and was hoping to be able to do a straight dist-upgrade instead of having to completely wipe and load a new disi | 21:01 |
| darkstar62 | *dist | 21:01 |
| ojn | darkstar62: unfortunately that's not possible. It is a bit of a bummer since the sheevaplug is a neat platform, too bad Marvell had been lagging behind on the architecture for so long. | 21:02 |
| darkstar62 | is it lack of resources to maintain the two that's the problem? I'm kinda surprised there would only be the one release for v5 | 21:04 |
| ojn | eFfeM: v6 is needed for SMP (A9) | 21:04 |
| ojn | No lock primitives in v5 I think? | 21:05 |
| ojn | hmm, I could be wrong on that though | 21:05 |
| ojn | since there's v5 smp chips. :) | 21:05 |
| eFfeM | ojn no idea about whether there are lock primitives | 21:05 |
| eFfeM | but guess this means non-smp support is drooped ? | 21:06 |
| ojn | I don't see why that would be dropped | 21:06 |
| eFfeM | as you said v6 is needed for smp | 21:07 |
| ojn | yes? | 21:07 |
| ojn | there are v6 non-smp systems too | 21:07 |
| eFfeM | sure | 21:07 |
| eFfeM | but if you can have systems w/o smp then why could armv5te not be supported ? | 21:08 |
| ojn | No idea. It probably makes sense from a business decision though; especially if the chip vendors are paying for the ports. It's bad marketing for them to say "get this distro we sponsored that doesn't take advantage of our hardware". | 21:10 |
| armin76 | indeed | 21:10 |
| darkstar62 | well, if that's the case, could the community work with the ubuntu devs to support armv5? | 21:16 |
| ojn | Is anyone stopping you? | 21:16 |
| ojn | I have no idea, but anyone is free to do their own spin | 21:17 |
| darkstar62 | I was thinking more alongside ubuntu to have a ubuntu version for armv5 instead of a spin-off or fork | 21:17 |
| ojn | I'd just run debian on it though. since it's headless, and alot of the differentiation between ubuntu and debian is on the desktop, you're not missing all that much | 21:17 |
| darkstar62 | mm, true | 21:18 |
| ojn | I moved back to debian when ubuntu abandoned ppc (for my ppc boxes), and I'm not missing much. | 21:18 |
| armin76 | ojn: thing is the plug comes with ubuntu :) | 21:18 |
| darkstar62 | yeah, I'd have to completely re-image | 21:19 |
| darkstar62 | which I can do, I had just hoped I wouldn't have to | 21:19 |
| ojn | ah | 21:19 |
| ojn | bummer | 21:19 |
| amitk | darkstar62: compiling the entire archive for armv5 would be a bit pointless don't you think? | 21:20 |
| armin76 | yep, ironic :) | 21:20 |
| amitk | (since debian already supports it) | 21:20 |
| darkstar62 | for headless-operations I'd agree | 21:21 |
| darkstar62 | but there are some shivaplug users using usb video/keyboard/mouse combos to use it as a desktop | 21:21 |
| armin76 | debian has desktop as well :P | 21:21 |
| darkstar62 | true | 21:21 |
| amitk | it would require an archive for armv5, optimised v6 and (who knows) in the future armv7 and so on | 21:22 |
| darkstar62 | but there again, the shiva plug comes with ubuntu, so they'd have to completely reinstall | 21:22 |
| ojn | sounds like something you should talk to the shiva plug providers about | 21:22 |
| armin76 | darkstar62: you have to blame marvell for that :) | 21:22 |
| ojn | did they coordinate with canonical? | 21:22 |
| darkstar62 | my guess is no, since it's not supported officially by canonical | 21:22 |
| ojn | right | 21:23 |
| ojn | so they're on their own | 21:23 |
| darkstar62 | and yeah, definitely it's marvell's issue on that | 21:23 |
| ojn | amitk: well, really all it would take is to provide something at a low enough common denominator. With glibc multilib support some of the perfomance can be recovered (but not all). | 21:24 |
| darkstar62 | well, I guess if there isn't much call for an armv5 port outside some shivaplug users, it doesn't make sense to setup a whole system for just that | 21:24 |
| armin76 | amitk: i think the next after karmic is armv7 only | 21:25 |
| ojn | armin76: would make sense to be able to move to thumb2 | 21:26 |
| kblin | armin76: some folks with ubuntu cloaks said otherwise, btw | 22:46 |
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