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[16:45] <pwnguin> i hear someone was working on maemo in ubuntu. stil true?
[16:48] <Meizirkki> pwnguin, Have a look at Mer http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
[16:50] <pwnguin> ive seen mer
[16:50] <pwnguin> i just grabbed a vbox image last night
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[18:56] <armin76> Martyn: 9.10!
[19:13] <ojn> lool: Do you happen to have info on what the different DIP switches on the pegatron/efika control? No silk screen info. :(
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[20:55] <darkstar62> Is ubuntu 9.10 supported on the ARMv5te architecture, or is what I've been hearing true that it requires ARM6 or later with vfp?
[20:55] <armin76> ogra: ^
[20:58] <ojn> Karmic is ARMv6 and above
[20:58] <ojn> (big difference between ARMv6 and ARM6 :-)
[20:59] <darkstar62> right, v6 is what I  meant.  As in, won't run on v5te without vfp
[21:00] <eFfeM> any particular reason ? debian still supports v5te iirc
[21:01] <darkstar62> I run ubuntu on my sheevaplug (which is ARMv5te-based without a vfp), and was hoping to be able to do a straight dist-upgrade instead of having to completely wipe and load a new disi
[21:01] <darkstar62> *dist
[21:02] <ojn> darkstar62: unfortunately that's not possible. It is a bit of a bummer since the sheevaplug is a neat platform, too bad Marvell had been lagging behind on the architecture for so long.
[21:04] <darkstar62> is it lack of resources to maintain the two that's the problem? I'm kinda surprised there would only be the one release for v5
[21:04] <ojn> eFfeM: v6 is needed for SMP (A9)
[21:05] <ojn> No lock primitives in v5 I think?
[21:05] <ojn> hmm, I could be wrong on that though
[21:05] <ojn> since there's v5 smp chips. :)
[21:05] <eFfeM> ojn no idea about whether there are lock primitives
[21:06] <eFfeM> but guess this means non-smp support is drooped ?
[21:06] <ojn> I don't see why that would be dropped
[21:07] <eFfeM> as you said v6 is needed for smp
[21:07] <ojn> yes?
[21:07] <ojn> there are v6 non-smp systems too
[21:07] <eFfeM> sure
[21:08] <eFfeM> but if you can have systems w/o smp then why could armv5te not be supported ?
[21:10] <ojn> No idea. It probably makes sense from a business decision though; especially if the chip vendors are paying for the ports. It's bad marketing for them to say "get this distro we sponsored that doesn't take advantage of our hardware".
[21:10] <armin76> indeed
[21:16] <darkstar62> well, if that's the case, could the community work with the ubuntu devs to support armv5?
[21:16] <ojn> Is anyone stopping you?
[21:17] <ojn> I have no idea, but anyone is free to do their own spin
[21:17] <darkstar62> I was thinking more alongside ubuntu to have a ubuntu version for armv5 instead of a spin-off or fork
[21:17] <ojn> I'd just run debian on it though. since it's headless, and alot of the differentiation between ubuntu and debian is on the desktop, you're not missing all that much
[21:18] <darkstar62> mm, true
[21:18] <ojn> I moved back to debian when ubuntu abandoned ppc (for my ppc boxes), and I'm not missing much.
[21:18] <armin76> ojn: thing is the plug comes with ubuntu :)
[21:19] <darkstar62> yeah, I'd have to completely re-image
[21:19] <darkstar62> which I can do, I had just hoped I wouldn't have to
[21:19] <ojn> ah
[21:19] <ojn> bummer
[21:20] <amitk> darkstar62: compiling the entire archive for armv5 would be a bit pointless don't you think?
[21:20] <armin76> yep, ironic :)
[21:20] <amitk> (since debian already supports it)
[21:21] <darkstar62> for headless-operations I'd agree
[21:21] <darkstar62> but there are some shivaplug users using usb video/keyboard/mouse combos to use it as a desktop
[21:21] <armin76> debian has desktop as well :P
[21:21] <darkstar62> true
[21:22] <amitk> it would require an archive for armv5, optimised v6 and (who knows) in the future armv7 and so on
[21:22] <darkstar62> but there again, the shiva plug comes with ubuntu, so they'd have to completely reinstall
[21:22] <ojn> sounds like something you should talk to the shiva plug providers about
[21:22] <armin76> darkstar62: you have to blame marvell for that :)
[21:22] <ojn> did they coordinate with canonical?
[21:22] <darkstar62> my guess is no, since it's not supported officially by canonical
[21:23] <ojn> right
[21:23] <ojn> so they're on their own
[21:23] <darkstar62> and yeah, definitely it's marvell's issue on that
[21:24] <ojn> amitk: well, really all it would take is to provide something at a low enough common denominator. With glibc multilib support some of the perfomance can be recovered (but not all).
[21:24] <darkstar62> well, I guess if there isn't much call for an armv5 port outside some shivaplug users, it doesn't make sense to setup a whole system for just that
[21:25] <armin76> amitk: i think the next after karmic is armv7 only
[21:26] <ojn> armin76: would make sense to be able to move to thumb2
[22:46] <kblin> armin76: some folks with ubuntu cloaks said otherwise, btw
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