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[09:39] <thorwil> so now we have a first submission in Incoming/Lucid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Kioo
[09:40] <darkmatter> yet no attachments. kinda makes it hard to critique
[09:41] <zniavre> :o)
[09:42] <darkmatter> nm... found it on gnome look... and... err... NO
[09:43] <darkmatter> http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/114524-1.png
[09:46]  * mac_v wonders whats "glassy" about that ;p
[09:46] <kwwii> thorwil: hrm, I get a 503 error on that link
[09:47] <mac_v> kwwii: lol , it just worked a few mins ago... not its down ;)
[09:47] <kwwii> wow, the whole wiki is down it seems
[09:47] <thorwil> kwwii: i just had an X crash. now that page doesn't load here
[09:48] <darkmatter> mac_v: I'm still trying to think of a constructive criticism on that, because if I speak my mind I'll sound like an insensitive ahole :P
[09:48] <thorwil> kwwii: wasn't much to see there, anyway :)
[09:48] <kwwii> :p
[09:49] <thorwil> darkmatter: good job ;p
[09:49] <mac_v> darkmatter: is there a way to change specific colors when the theme changes? like the blue color used for links in the "appearances" window?
[09:50] <mac_v> the blue becomes hasrh when the background is dark :/
[09:50] <mac_v> harsh*
[09:50] <darkmatter> thorwil: you mean finding a screenie on gnome-look? wasn't hard. it's even more a 'sticks out like a sore thumb' entry than the usual content :P
[09:51] <thorwil> darkmatter: no, your formulation to mac_v
[09:52] <darkmatter> mac_v: yeah, using symbolic colors and the appropriate widget. just a sec. I can't remember the name/class for the html links
[09:59] <darkmatter> mac_v: http://pastebin.ca/1647610 put that after the initial cruft in the gtkrc (padding/color/etc)
[10:00] <darkmatter> mac_v: I haven't tried yet, but it *should* be possible to do that in symbolic colors
[10:04] <darkmatter> mac_v: like... say:  GnomeHRef::link_color  = shade (.8, @selected_bg_color)   should work the same as it does for text label et al
[10:05] <mac_v> 	GnomeHRef::link_color		="#E6DDD5"
[10:05] <mac_v> 	GtkIMHtmlr::hyperlink-color	="#E6DDD5"
[10:05] <mac_v> i tried this^ .. but didnt work :(
[10:06] <darkmatter> hmmm... odd.. maybe theres a change in the latest gtk.. hang on
[10:08] <darkmatter> ahhh... they added in a menagerie of others. stupid app developers :P
[10:09]  * mac_v curses devs... especially the OOo ones :/
[10:11] <darkmatter> mac_v: http://pastebin.ca/1647619
[10:11] <kwwii> some apps even hard-code the link color ;)
[10:11] <mac_v> crappy OOo guys decided to use the gtk entry text color for the status bar , but use the background color for the base :/
[10:13] <darkmatter> mac_v: if it doesn't work with that rats nest, try wrapping it in a
[10:13] <darkmatter> style "yourlinksfsckingsuck"
[10:13] <darkmatter> {
[10:13] <darkmatter> }
[10:13] <darkmatter> class "GtkWidget" style "gtkblows" type thing :P
[10:13] <mac_v> darkmatter: .. the pastebin stuff works ... yeah
[10:14] <mac_v> darkmatter: thanks... /me no more eye sore \o/
[10:14] <darkmatter> mac_v: I think thats most of them, although I may have missed several billion useless widgets :P
[10:14] <darkmatter> and your welcome
[10:16] <darkmatter> mac_v: I'll never understand why we need 70,000 widgets for hyperlinks /facepalm
[10:23] <darkmatter> I can understand a three states. normal/prelight/beentheredonethat, possibly even one set for widgets and one for html (like in yelp), but this pick-and-choose--your-widget-or-avoid-standardization-and-hardcode-your-own mentality is.. odd
[10:26] <kwwii> darkmatter: don't forget keyboard selections and such
[10:27] <darkmatter> kwwii: opps, yeah. need to ass another thousand widgets :P
[10:27] <darkmatter> add*
[10:27] <darkmatter> that would have been a Freudian gtk comment xD
[10:28] <thorwil> just wanted to ask for a how-to ass widgets
[10:28] <darkmatter> lol
[10:48] <darkmatter> hmmm... I wonder if I should hack on na-tray.c tonight or wait until I'm more awake>
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[11:25] <kwwii> mac_v: seen bug #450398 yet?
[11:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 450398 in indicator-applet "The "unread messages" appearance of the tray icon is not noticeable enough in Karmic" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450398
[11:28] <mac_v> kwwii: the proposed one is the new messages icon > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32981203/comparing-icons.png
[11:28] <mac_v> kwwii: its just users are accustomed to the color changes they find it different
[11:28] <kwwii> mac_v: so maybe it would be best to make it green somehow?
[11:29] <mac_v>  hmmm :/
[11:30] <mac_v> kwwii: i'm not sure why it needs to be green... the icon is clearly different from the "no new"...  it is recognizable when it changes so then why color is essential?
[11:32] <mac_v> kwwii: btw ,there was a bug filed even when the human theme used color ;p Bug #392265
[11:32] <kwwii> mac_v: teh question is whether the difference is enough to draw your eye
[11:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 392265 in hundredpapercuts "Indicator-applet icon for "new message" is too visually similar too the default icon" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392265
[11:34] <mac_v> kwwii: the whole change to the notification area was to *not* draw attention unless there is something urgent to do , the users get notifications to notify new IM/messages
[11:35] <kwwii> mac_v: very good point...but what about emails?
[11:36] <mac_v> kwwii: emails are the new snail mail ;p   so there is nothing urgent about them
[11:38] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, I guess you're right
[11:38] <mac_v> kwwii: :) , i'm commenting on the bug with screenshots
[11:39] <kwwii> mac_v: excellent, thanks ;)
[11:45] <kwwii> oooh, just saw this: http://atkarus.bestfreewallpaper.net/atkarusdesigns/?p=1&nggpage=10&pageid=1
[11:48] <kwwii> and I wonder if we should put this on the wiki somewhere: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=84808&d=1221043171
[11:49] <kwwii> the icon library
[11:49] <kwwii> works pretty well, maybe someone would work on it to improve it ;)
[11:51] <thorwil> kwwii: a mention in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Software ?
[11:52]  * mac_v wonders if kwwii was hiding under a rock > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-September/011307.html
[11:52] <mac_v> aw.. thorwil too ... :(
[11:53] <thorwil> mac_v: no, i actually started to recall that there was something on the list
[11:53] <mac_v> yay , \o/ atleast someone reads the mail i send ;p
[11:54] <thorwil> shouldn't be floating around in a .zip
[11:54] <thorwil> mac_v: yeah, sometimes i forget to check who's sending before i start to read ;p
[11:55] <kwwii> mac_v: no, but I just saw it on my desktop and remembered that I wanted to do something about it :p
[11:55]  * mac_v TODO : now has to find a new identity
[11:55] <mac_v> kwwii: do you have the link to the forum?
[11:55] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, and perhaps a better place to put it at
[11:56] <kwwii> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=912934&highlight=icon+library
[11:56] <thorwil> kwwii: how many objects are on your desktop? :)
[11:56] <kwwii> thorwil: a *lot*
[11:56] <kwwii> and I have a very large monitor ;)
[11:57] <mac_v> kwwii: thorwil: it was a totally accidental find ;)  i helped the author for someother stuff about in ubuntu+1 and then i asked something about the human ethernet icon on the panel ,
[11:57] <mac_v> the one i helped turned out to be the author of the icon-library ;p
[11:59] <kwwii> has anyone played with epidermis before?
[11:59] <thorwil> is there any way to eliminate the gaps to the left of v. scrollbars (with murrine)?
[11:59] <mac_v> kwwii: you mean the real epidermis? o.0    or some software ?
[12:00] <thorwil> http://epidermis.tuxfamily.org/
[12:00] <darkmatter> the epidermis is to ticklish to play with
[12:00] <thorwil> ^ that's why really serious play requires you to get out of it!!
[12:02] <kwwii> :p
[12:12] <thorwil> it should be possible to transplant the new-wave scrollbars into the human theme, right?
[12:15] <mac_v> thorwil: yup
[12:30] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jakubsteiner/4052840323/ <--- awesome
[12:57] <thorwil> hmm, strange things are happening with this transplant
[13:17] <thorwil> any suggestions why i get that stroke at the center of the scrollbar button? http://i34.tinypic.com/b9z4z.jpg
[13:19] <thorwil> nm, had to kick GtkScrollbar stuff out of murrine-default
[13:27]  * mac_v wonders how thorwil is using the bright prelight of the newwave scrollbars ;p
[13:28] <thorwil> how do i get rid of the window menu button?
[13:28] <mac_v> thorwil: from human?
[13:28] <thorwil> yes
[13:28] <mac_v> thorwil: you want it completely gone? or ...
[13:29] <thorwil> yes
[13:30] <mac_v> thorwil: it can be simpler if you replace this > /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/menu.png and menu_over.png with a blank image
[13:31] <thorwil> sure, but i want that silly thing gone. no special area. i always use right-click on title.bar
[13:38] <thorwil> i just outcommented anything refering to the menu button, but it is still drawn. i suspect something isn't right with switching themes
[13:39] <mac_v> thorwil: i dont think it is removable by theme ... have you searched the gconf?
[13:40] <mac_v> thorwil: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[13:41] <thorwil> mac_v: if including or excluding stuff and moving everything around isn't possible, then i have to wonder why this xml file is so damn huge
[13:41] <mac_v> thorwil: change it to > :minimize,maximize,close
[13:42] <mac_v> thorwil: the ':' is needed if you want it on the right side
[13:45] <thorwil> just read some documentation that says that the menu button must be specified :/
[13:45] <thorwil> mac_v: thanks!
[13:46] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm? didnt the removal of the "menu" from the gconf not work? it WFM
[13:47] <thorwil> mac_v: i want to see how other themes are meant to look whenever i switch back
[13:48] <thorwil> mac_v: so i went with the blank image solution you proposed :)
[13:48] <mac_v> lol ;p
[13:57] <mac_v> kwwii: the theme you were looking for > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1304125
[13:58] <mac_v> the wiki submission^
[14:01] <thorwil> seems like ardchoille doesn't quite understand wiki attachments
[14:08] <kwwii> mac_v: very nice...I am sure we can just go with that as-is
[14:09]  * mac_v wonders if kwwii is high on pan meds ;p
[14:09] <mac_v> pain*
[14:13] <kwwii> ;)
[14:46] <SiDi> EMERGENCY: does anyone know where i can find cool Free fonts please?
[14:56] <raozuzu> http://www.dafont.com/ is this useful?
[15:04] <kwwii> a font emergency? sounds flaky to me
[15:04] <kwwii> :p
[15:08] <andreasn> SiDi: mizmo blogged about some free fonts http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/unpackaged-open-font-of-the-week-bola/
[15:08] <andreasn> see related posts too
[15:11] <SiDi> raozuzu: unfortunately 99% of dafont is not Free
[15:11] <SiDi> and i visited mairin's blog immediately too, w/out finding something I liked
[15:12] <SiDi> but apparently i found something ok, thanks to ochosi
[15:12] <SiDi> kwwii: i didnt know i'd have to do the release artwork
[15:12] <raozuzu> I'm sorry SiDi :P
[15:12] <SiDi> it looks like we forgot the countdown banners and just noticed, you see
[15:14] <kwwii> ouch
[15:14] <kwwii> guess you can leave out the countdown banners now
[15:14] <SiDi> oh, really? :D
[15:14] <kwwii> :D
[15:36] <thorwil> how about negative countdown banners?
[15:42] <kwwii> "you missed the release by 17 days!"
[15:49] <kwwii> I updated the wiki to point to the Lucid pages, if I missed something please let me know
[15:52] <kwwii> can anyone confirm bug #422511 ?
[15:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 422511 in gtk+2.0 "problem with new scrollbar in Human theme - GtkRange::trough-border set to 2" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422511
[15:52] <kwwii> but just the lower part of it
[15:52] <kwwii> should probably be another bug
[15:54] <mac_v> lol SiDi  , isnt xubuntu releasing today?
[15:55] <SiDi> mac_v: meant to
[15:55] <SiDi> fucking 6 months release cycle.. x_x
[15:55] <kwwii> SiDi: is there anything we can do to help?
[15:55] <SiDi> http://imagebin.ca/view/iBwJ3z.html
[15:56] <mac_v> SiDi welcome to the big brother program ;p ,
[15:56] <SiDi> kwwii: if you have a font that would look good, and that is not ubuntu title, i'd love you :d
[15:56] <SiDi> (that image is from ochosi)
[15:57] <mac_v> SiDi:  the "karmic kola" text? or the "xubuntu"
[15:57] <kwwii> SiDi: http://imjustcreative.com/sorts-mill-goudy-free-open-source-font-for-download/2009/09/05/
[15:58] <SiDi> mac_v: the xubuntu text
[15:58] <SiDi> kwwii: hm that may work out good :)
[15:59] <kwwii> troy pointed that one out to me
[15:59] <kwwii> ;)
[16:05] <SiDi> finally it isnt so sexy ;D
[16:05] <SiDi> http://imagebin.ca/view/HUVRIH.html
[16:07] <kwwii> it doesn't fit well with the Karmic Koala so large/light
[16:07] <kwwii> maybe put the xubuntu 9.10 on top of it instead of next to it
[16:08] <kwwii> or make Karmic Koala smaller
[16:08] <mac_v> SiDi: isnt "karmic koala" just a code name and not supposed to be used when released?
[16:08] <mac_v> kwwii: ^
[16:09] <kwwii> mac_v: xubuntu and co have a lot more freedom to do what they want ;)
[16:09] <mac_v>  ;)
[16:11] <mac_v> SiDi: 3 different fonts on the same page doesnt seem nice :( ... you could use the same font from the "xubuntu 9.10" , in the "out .... dnload now" but smaller
[16:13] <SiDi> kwwii: fortunately, cause we also have a lot more stuff to do per person ;P
[16:14] <mac_v> knome: the source for the wallpaper pls :)
[16:14] <kwwii> SiDi: trust me, I know the feeling ;)
[16:14] <ochosi> hi everyone, i'm wondering how to use a vfb-font in gimp?
[16:15] <knome> mac_v, it's in xubuntu wiki
[16:16] <knome> artwork/karmic
[16:16]  * mac_v now wondering where the xubuntu wiki is ;p
[16:16]  * mac_v searches 
[16:19] <mac_v> knome:  the png is the main source file? or ...
[16:19] <knome> wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic
[16:19] <knome> no actually
[16:19] <knome> damn
[16:19] <mac_v> knome: i found the wiki and it has only the png :(
[16:20] <knome> yeah
[16:20] <knome> atm i'm in a bus
[16:20] <mac_v> knome: sure , no hurry...
[16:20] <mac_v> :)
[16:20] <kwwii> oh boy, here we go...the old "I am in a bus" excuse :P
[16:20] <ochosi> hehe
[16:21] <mac_v> lol
[16:22] <SiDi> [17:23] <knome> my battery dies in a sec
[16:22] <SiDi> Apocalypse.
[16:23] <knome> \o/
[16:23] <knome>  |
[16:23] <knome> /'\
[16:24] <knome> see you in 30min
[17:14]  * kwwii wanders off to get dinner
[17:21] <knome> :)
[19:02] <bluedragon> Hi all. I am new to this Ubuntu. But would love to contribute. Can Someone tell me how to post the artwork and where :) Thanks
[19:32] <thorwil> bluedragon: first you must learn the virtue of patience, young grasshopper
[19:37] <SiDi> a grasshopper, where?
[19:41] <thorwil> SiDi: hungry?
[19:41] <SiDi> year
[19:41] <SiDi> Yeah*
[19:45] <thorwil> 4 "themes" by this ardchoille guy now in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid
[19:46] <thorwil> how to curb someone's enthusiasm without looking like a bad guy? ;}
[19:53] <SiDi> wow
[19:53] <SiDi> i hadnt seen 4 ugly themes in a row for a while.
[19:53] <SiDi> ^something like that, thorwil, should work well.
[19:54] <thorwil> heh
[19:54] <SiDi> i would be glad to commit myself to that task but i appeared to have unsubscribed from every ubuntu mailing list.
[19:54] <thorwil> SiDi: nothing on the list about these submissions
[19:55] <SiDi> omg, all the icons are gone
[19:56] <SiDi> now you have to read text :/
[19:56] <SiDi> http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/09/top-things-to-do-after-installing.html
[19:56] <SiDi> on the screenshots there
[20:00] <thorwil> hilarious: http://blog.uninstall.it/2009/10/29/designing-good-user-interfaces-0/
[20:05] <SiDi> how very well argumented this is.
[20:44] <mac_v> SiDi: the icons can be reverted ;)
[20:45] <mac_v> thorwil: your "fan" danny , mentioned the ppa bisigli more than the community themes :(
[20:45] <SiDi> mac_v: we kept them in xub ;D
[20:46] <mac_v> SiDi: /me still cursing mpt ;p ... even today was trying to change his mind ;)
[20:46] <thorwil> mac_v: picrillo(sp?)? what the heck is "ppa bisigli"?
[20:47] <mac_v> thorwil: oh > Bisigi Project ;)
[20:48] <mac_v> in the eye candy section
[20:48] <thorwil> mac_v: ah, i rememeber some of those
[20:49] <mac_v> thorwil: he was on the release party channel spreading the word about his blog ;p ...
[20:49]  * mac_v whould have preferred if he had used the community themes screenshots rather than the bisigi themes :)
[20:50] <thorwil> mac_v: he likes my scrollbar concept. that's all there is regarding a connection ;)
[20:50] <mac_v> thorwil: lol!... was that all! i thought when you said " he is a fan" there was more ;)
[20:51] <mac_v> thorwil: could you update the video for the scrollbar? [you mentioned it was improved , ]
[20:52] <thorwil> mac_v: it was enough. bringing it up on brainstorm, as feature request, and i think ubuntu-devel-discuss plus at least one other list
[20:52] <thorwil> mac_v: first i would have to fix the script
[20:54] <thorwil> mac_v: maybe i do that, to at least have a working vertical version and get a few people at UDS to try it. even though it surely isn't lucid stuff :)
[20:55] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , the UDS is a good place , didrocks , mvo and a few others were totally into it , so if you could polish  maybe for gnome 3? ;)
[20:56] <mac_v> thorwil: you could use kwwii to arm twist mpt too ;p
[20:56] <thorwil> mac_v: should i know didrocks or mvo?
[20:57] <mac_v> thorwil: mvo is the main dev of synaptic/software store and does some compiz updates too
[20:58] <thorwil> mac_v: ah, that's why you had the idea to have it in the store, first
[20:58] <mac_v> yup ;)
[20:58] <SiDi> scrollbar stuff?
[21:00] <thorwil> SiDi: if you have text and/or images that don't fit within a window, one solution is to show only part of it. then you can offer a so called scrollbar to change what part of the whole is shown
[21:01] <mac_v> lol
[21:02] <SiDi> thorwil: you're a genius.
[21:04] <thorwil> SiDi: don't you know this one? http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/
[21:05] <SiDi`Laptop> i didnt, actually
[21:06] <SiDi`Laptop> i wonder if it would still be as fast to go to the very bottom of a page
[21:06] <ckontros> That's still awesome.
[21:06] <SiDi`Laptop> yeah
[21:07] <SiDi`Laptop> Well, im not sure :P ideally when i click on somewhere outside of the bar i'd like the middle ofthe bar to go there, and the text to be scrolled at that place
[21:07] <SiDi`Laptop> for very fast scrolling. :P
[21:08] <thorwil> SiDi`Laptop: middle click. for both gtk scrollbars and my demo
[21:08] <SiDi`Laptop> Oo
[21:08] <SiDi`Laptop> thorwil, you're my hero.
[21:08] <thorwil> heh, thanks
[21:08]  * SiDi`Laptop has been using a PC for 13 years now.
[21:09] <thorwil> ah, so you're at least 13 years old!
[21:12] <SiDi`Laptop> no, i'm 4 years old
[21:12] <SiDi`Laptop> and i love contradictions
[21:12] <thorwil> yeah, i hate them, too
[21:12] <SiDi`Laptop> Nice
[21:13] <thorwil> now i will log on!
[21:15] <SiDi`Laptop> I think I had a bad influence over thorwil.
[21:17] <ckontros> http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2009/09/gimp-single-mode.html
[21:18] <SiDi`Laptop> yeah, i'm so eager to see this happen.
[21:31]  * ckontros wonders if latest GIMP SVN looks like this?
[21:32] <kwwii> hey
[21:32]  * kwwii is back
[21:32] <ckontros> yoyo
[21:33] <kwwii> we just had our last practice before the halloween gig
[21:33] <ckontros> \m/
[21:33] <kwwii> nice touch...we have a make-up artist to do our costumes
[21:33] <kwwii> costs a bit, but it's a nice touch, I think
[21:34] <kwwii> s/costumes/makeup
[21:34] <ckontros> Take pics! :)
[21:34] <ckontros> SiDi: https://launchpad.net/~matthaeus123/+archive/mrw-gimp-svn
[21:35] <kwwii> ckontros: we are a) making a video, b) making a dat recording and b) have a photographer ;)
[21:36] <ckontros> Awesome. :)
[21:36] <kwwii> the club holds 400+ people, and we are hoping to fill it
[21:36] <ckontros> kwwii: Filming the whole set?
[21:37] <kwwii> ckontros: yeah, a friend has a professional film camera (DV) so we are going to set it up and record the whole thing
[21:37] <ckontros> Awesome
[21:38] <kwwii> just for fun...if we really wanted to do anything with we'd need several camera men
[21:38] <kwwii> but in a club you need a good camera/lense and we only have one of those
[21:38] <kwwii> ;)
[21:38] <ckontros> kwwii: Still awesome for something to put out there. I have many single-cam bootlegs I love. :)
[21:39] <kwwii> the good thing is that this camera is really high quality, it has been used to make TV shows and such
[21:39] <kwwii> actually, the lense costs almost as much as the camera
[21:39] <ckontros> Always the way. :)
[21:39] <kwwii> yeah, it should be interesting to see myself hoping around like an idiot after the fact :p
[21:40] <ckontros> \m/
[21:40] <ckontros> Show it to yer kid!!
[21:40] <ckontros> Or he's already a roadie? :P
[21:43] <kwwii> he is not allowed in the clubs we play in
[21:43] <kwwii> ;(
[21:43] <kwwii> legally in germany, before 16 you cannot stay out that late
[21:43] <kwwii> he just turned 12
[21:44] <kwwii> last friday, actually
[21:44] <kwwii> unfortunately, we aren't the kind of band that plays in the afternoon
[21:44] <kwwii> :D
[21:45] <ckontros> Show him the vid then. :)
[21:46] <kwwii> wow, I just installed the whole (old) studio theme with epidermis
[21:46] <kwwii> nifty stuff
[21:47] <ckontros> epidermis?
[21:48] <kwwii> a theme setting app which does kinda "mega-themes" if you will
[21:48] <kwwii> google for it
[21:48] <kwwii> it is on launchpad
[21:48]  * ckontros does as he's told
[21:48] <kwwii> good boy
[21:49] <ckontros> kwwii: Try that PPA I posted to play with GIMP 2.7.1
[21:49]  * kwwii ready back
[21:50] <kwwii> ckontros: cool beans, will do
[21:52] <ckontros> kwwii: I got the page up for epidermis. Will tinker with later. Now the fam needs me.
[21:53] <kwwii> be carefull, though..it can easily change everything in your system
[21:53] <kwwii> art-wise, I maen
[21:53] <kwwii> mean
[21:53] <ckontros> Sure. I'm still rockin' your butterfly wall. :)
[21:55] <kwwii> hehe, one of the neatest things about that pic, is that it is as-taken...no edits or such
[21:55] <ckontros> Works real nice with dashua's Hanzo.
[21:57] <kwwii> hrm, I installed the gimp stuff but I don't see a difference
[21:58] <ckontros> kwwii: Yeah. Nothing dramatic yet. I might build from source if there's new code for the new UI.
[21:59] <ckontros> In any event, it's latest GIMP. :)
[21:59] <ckontros> Hmm... gimp.org looks down.
[22:01] <ckontros> Ok. Family time.
[22:02] <ckontros> kwwii: In GIMP, "Windows->Single-window mode"
[22:03] <kwwii> cool, I'll try that
[22:03] <kwwii> see you
[22:03] <ckontros> Not like the screenshots from my other post but, different.
[22:04] <zniavre> it's quite nice this single mode
[22:04] <zniavre> "thumbail" are easy to use
[22:06] <MadsRH> join #ubuntu-bugs
[22:06] <MadsRH> oops :-)
[22:06] <kwwii> MadsRH: no!
[22:09] <ckontros> Hmm... Doesn't remember tool windows. (layers and such)
[22:10] <ckontros> Yeah. That's a PITA.
[22:12] <ckontros> Yep. Even with a fresh ~/.gimp-* folder.
[22:21] <kwwii> hrm, on jaunty I am still not getting the improvements
[22:21] <kwwii> although the ppa is installed