| rickspencer3 | hi bryce__ | 00:10 |
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| bryce__ | heya | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | who else on the desktop team is up atm? | 00:11 |
| bryce__ | ccheney maybe, although its evening for him now | 00:13 |
| bryce__ | kenvandine too I think | 00:13 |
| bryce__ | rickspencer3, whats up? | 00:13 |
| rickspencer3 | just wondering what folks are up to | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | iso testing? | 00:14 |
| bryce__ | being flamed by xorg upstream because canonical doesn't have a 10 person X team | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | where? | 00:14 |
| bryce__ | heh, on the xorg-devel mailing list | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | ah | 00:15 |
| bryce__ | they're discussing about new plans for scheduling releases | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | /ignore | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce__, oh cool | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | I should subscribe | 00:15 |
| bryce__ | there's an argument between keith and daniels about whether to do 3-month or 6-month release cycles, and daniels asked distros for input | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | A lot of key areas in Ubuntu only have 1 canonical person working on them. | 00:15 |
| bryce__ | I posted an answer; the only reply to that has been some random upstream guy I've not heard of before saying that distros (by which I think he means Ubuntu) are getting a free lunch | 00:17 |
| ccheney | bryce__: hi saw my name | 00:24 |
| ccheney | rickspencer3: on the iso.qa site? | 00:24 |
| rickspencer3 | ccheney, you can join #ubuntu-release and see if anyone asks for help there | 00:26 |
| rickspencer3 | also, you can triage bugs that have been logged regarding the testing, see if there are any serious issues, etc... | 00:26 |
| rickspencer3 | and also iso.qa testing | 00:26 |
| ccheney | rickspencer3: ok | 00:26 |
| robert_ancell | bryce__, could you have a quick look at the stack trace in bug 429322 - I think an X IO error is causing the problems. If so, what is a good debugging technique to confirm that? | 00:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 429322 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent assert failure: ERROR:iop-profiles.c:606:IOP_generate_profiles: assertion failed: (obj && (obj->profile_list == NULL) && obj->orb)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429322 | 00:27 |
| rickspencer3 | hi robert_ancell good morning | 00:28 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, hey | 00:28 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, welcome to your first ubuntu release! | 00:28 |
| * robert_ancell wishes gconf was using something other than orbit already to make debugging easier... | 00:28 | |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, yay! | 00:28 |
| bryce__ | robert_ancell, looking | 00:29 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, you may want to join #ubuntu-release in case anyone asks for help | 00:29 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, ok | 00:29 |
| bryce__ | robert_ancell, ok posted | 00:33 |
| chrisccoulson | xtrace rocks:) | 00:34 |
| robert_ancell | bryce__, thanks | 00:35 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, can you help robbiew get his desktopcouch working? he's got the upgrade need to delete that file thing | 00:45 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, just pointing to the documentation would be fine | 00:45 |
| Amaranth | #ubuntu-release-party is going nuts already | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: just randomly start banning people | 01:07 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: We got in trouble for that :/ | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | aw | 01:08 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, sure | 01:09 |
| robbiew | thanx kenvandine | 01:09 |
| kenvandine | killall beam.smp desktopcouch-service | 01:09 |
| kenvandine | mv ~/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini{,-old} | 01:09 |
| kenvandine | rm ~/cache/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.pid | 01:10 |
| kenvandine | then do something that should start it again | 01:10 |
| kenvandine | like start evolution or something | 01:10 |
| Amaranth | thanks to rickspencer3 the release date is now the 30th :P | 01:10 |
| rickspencer3 | dang it! | 01:11 |
| kenvandine | robbiew, let me know if you have questions | 01:13 |
| kenvandine | i need to step away for a few | 01:13 |
| kenvandine | but will be back | 01:13 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, bryce__ the U1 guys may need you to test a little something for them shortly | 01:52 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, ok | 01:52 |
| rickspencer3 | I told him to come ask you if needed anything | 01:53 |
| kenvandine | tedg, btw i did track down that critical i was looking for, thx for your tips | 01:55 |
| kenvandine | tedg, it just took a LOT of patience :/ | 01:55 |
| tedg | kenvandine: Heh, I'm glad that you found it. What was it? | 01:56 |
| kenvandine | indicator_manager was initialized before the event_manager was | 01:57 |
| tedg | Ah, startup sucks :) | 01:57 |
| kenvandine | only happened on startup :) | 01:57 |
| kenvandine | yeah... so painful to find :/ | 01:58 |
| tedg | BTW, why is Gwibber not in the alt+tab list? | 01:58 |
| kenvandine | ah... look at the preferences | 01:58 |
| kenvandine | humm | 01:59 |
| kenvandine | that isn't "hide taskbar entry" | 01:59 |
| kenvandine | dunno | 01:59 |
| kenvandine | it is in my alt-tab | 01:59 |
| * kenvandine thinks it is time for tedg to do some python debugging... after all my time C debugging this week :) | 02:00 | |
| tedg | Hmm, playing with that fixed it... but not the first time I tried. | 02:02 |
| tedg | Anytime you write Python all you do is debug. That is, until you have 100% code coverage, and then you can't change anything. | 02:03 |
| kenvandine | :) | 02:04 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: just got another empathy crash | 02:21 |
| TheMuso | c | 03:36 |
| JanC | <CompactDstrxion> hmm running wubi from this iso. at the top it says 'You are about to install Ubuntu-9.10ubuntu1" | 03:59 |
| JanC | (from #ubuntu-release-party) | 03:59 |
| mac__v | mpt: could the libgnome change to not show icons be properly mentioned in the release notes? humanity is getting bugs about the panel menu... we've already got 3-4 bugs filed regarding that :( | 04:46 |
| lifeless | all dupes? | 04:49 |
| mac__v | lifeless: yeah , i'v duped them... but still thought it would be better to mention it in the release notes ;) | 04:53 |
| === bjf is now known as bjf-afk | ||
| === mac__v is now known as mac_v | ||
| jcastro | robert_ancell: still awake and around? | 05:29 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, yup | 05:29 |
| jcastro | robert_ancell: if you could help test the fix for bug 462828 that would really help out | 05:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462828 in ubuntuone-client "Files are marked for deletion on server when syncdaemon is killed during sync" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462828 | 05:30 |
| kenvandine | hey guys | 05:30 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, looking | 05:30 |
| jcastro | hi ken | 05:30 |
| jcastro | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies | 05:30 |
| jcastro | is the PPA with the updated packages | 05:31 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, ok, anything in particular to test? | 05:36 |
| jcastro | robert_ancell: going through the steps in the first comment in the bug would help | 05:36 |
| robert_ancell | hmm, I don't have a ubuntu one menu item... | 05:38 |
| jcastro | robert_ancell: right now all the shipped clients are going to tell the user that there is a version mismatch | 05:38 |
| jcastro | so the idea is when they get this working and tested it'll be an immediate SRU | 05:38 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, mine is syncing | 05:39 |
| kenvandine | downloading a bunch of stuff from you :) | 05:39 |
| jcastro | ah, finally! | 05:39 |
| kenvandine | now it's uploading some test data | 05:40 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, I'm not getting any syncing occurring | 05:52 |
| jcastro | :-/ | 05:52 |
| robert_ancell | well the tooltip says "updating files..." but clicking on it shows a greyed menu with "your files are up to date" | 05:54 |
| robert_ancell | one.ubuntu.com doesn't show any files | 05:54 |
| jcastro | ok, let me see what's up | 05:54 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, tail -f ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log | 05:59 |
| robert_ancell | 2009-10-29 16:59:27,622 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: READING_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ; queues: metadata: 12; content: 11; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=1287 miss=68) ---- | 06:00 |
| robert_ancell | not doing anything at the moment | 06:00 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, I have to go - anything you want me to look at with U1? | 06:24 |
| jcastro | robert_ancell: no I think ken and I can manage for a bit | 06:24 |
| jcastro | thanks! | 06:24 |
| robert_ancell | jcastro, np | 06:24 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:03 |
| al-maisan | Good morning pitti | 07:03 |
| kenvandine | morning pitti | 07:06 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine; still awake? | 07:08 |
| pitti | hey al-maisan, how are you? | 07:08 |
| kenvandine | yup | 07:08 |
| kenvandine | helping the u1 guys | 07:09 |
| kenvandine | with this ugly bug, hear about it yet? | 07:09 |
| pitti | "this" bug.. | 07:09 |
| * pitti saw too many in the last days | 07:09 | |
| kenvandine | u1 client bug | 07:12 |
| al-maisan | pitti: not too bad, thanks. How are things on your side? | 07:13 |
| pitti | al-maisan: bit tired, but pretty good; looking forward to getting karmic out of the door :) | 07:13 |
| al-maisan | pitti: :) | 07:14 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, kenvandine, al-maisan :) | 07:26 |
| al-maisan | hello didrocks :) | 07:26 |
| kenvandine | hey didrocks | 07:30 |
| kenvandine | pitti, bug 462828 FYI | 07:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462828 in ubuntuone-client "Files are marked for deletion on server when syncdaemon is killed during sync" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462828 | 07:30 |
| kenvandine | that is what we are working on right now | 07:30 |
| kenvandine | so expect an SRU :) | 07:30 |
| kenvandine | pitti, also... not sure if this is SRU worthy but look at bug 451568 | 07:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 451568 in empathy "Empathy don't close with click on notification area icon" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451568 | 07:31 |
| kenvandine | i proposed a patch that restores the toggling behavior with the empathy status icon, if you are not using the indicator | 07:31 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ^ I thought that was deliberate? | 07:31 |
| pitti | (not that many people like it, but still..) | 07:31 |
| kenvandine | it is... sort of | 07:31 |
| kenvandine | it is deliberate for the indicator | 07:32 |
| kenvandine | and we share the same code as the status icon | 07:32 |
| kenvandine | so this just makes it toggle if you set the preference to not use the indicator | 07:32 |
| kenvandine | simple change | 07:32 |
| kenvandine | ideally we want to separate the behavior, so the icon can behave differently than the indicator | 07:32 |
| kenvandine | but that was out of scope for karmic | 07:33 |
| kenvandine | would make seb128 happy though, to be able to use both at the same time :) | 07:33 |
| kenvandine | this should make people that aren't interested in the indicator happy | 07:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: at this point of the release I'm fine with it if you think it's important and it has a trivial patch | 07:34 |
| kenvandine | it is really trivial | 07:34 |
| kenvandine | changes a 1 line patch into a 2 line patch :) | 07:35 |
| kenvandine | that branch also has the latest EmpathyChat leak fixes and i fixed a glib critical | 07:35 |
| kenvandine | debug logs are clean now :) | 07:35 |
| baptistemm | hello | 07:36 |
| pitti | hey didrocks, bonjour | 07:39 |
| * pitti waves to baptistemm | 07:39 | |
| baptistemm | salut pitti | 07:39 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok... debdiff for bug 462828 | 07:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 462828 in ubuntuone-client "Files are marked for deletion on server when syncdaemon is killed during sync" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462828 | 07:40 |
| pitti | back in 20 | 07:40 |
| baptistemm | I'm pleased to now working in a company where I can run linux and specially ubuntu as my OS | 07:40 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ok i tested the debdiff, lintian complains about an old line in the changelog but other looks good | 07:54 |
| kenvandine | pitti, can you handle getting it uploaded? | 07:54 |
| kenvandine | whenever that can be done | 07:54 |
| * kenvandine assigned the bug to pitti :) | 07:55 | |
| kenvandine | i need to get some sleep, the kids are going to wake me up in 2 hours :( | 07:55 |
| pitti | kenvandine: yep, will do; sleep well! | 07:56 |
| kenvandine | thx | 07:56 |
| pitti | kenvandine: (answer later, low urgency): I think we should just include above empathy patch in the first upload; so I'll reject the current one from teh queue, you commit the new one to bzr, and I reupload? | 08:03 |
| pitti | I have a doctor appointment now, back in 2 hours | 08:13 |
| seb128 | hello there | 08:28 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 08:30 |
| seb128 | hey mvo | 08:30 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:30 |
| mvo | good! | 08:30 |
| mvo | but the ppa machines just told me my test package will only get build in 13h | 08:31 |
| mvo | that makes me a bit unhappy | 08:31 |
| Hobbsee | mvo: that can be fixed, if required | 08:31 |
| mvo | Hobbsee: heh :) kdebindings is the one, that would be pretty sweet. | 08:32 |
| * Hobbsee looks | 08:33 | |
| mvo | Hobbsee: its for a good course, verifiying the fix for bug #459471 | 08:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 459471 in kdebindings "[Karmic] update-manager-kde: conffile prompt/error during upgrade cause crash" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459471 | 08:34 |
| seb128 | mvo, looking to kde issues now, you traitor! | 08:34 |
| mvo | seb128: the kdm login is non-black ;) | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | mvo: that's fine. I'm just having extreme trouble navigating launchpad. i'll get there | 08:35 |
| seb128 | mvo, oh, and trolling now, wait for uds! | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh, here we go | 08:35 |
| seb128 | mvo, you can tweak gconf key to have better gdm too ;-) | 08:36 |
| mvo | seb128: :P | 08:36 |
| mvo | seb128: if only there was a application to set the background in gdm | 08:36 |
| seb128 | start the day with a troll [checked] | 08:36 |
| * mvo gets himself into serious trouble | 08:36 | |
| * seb128 goes to the next daily task, email reading | 08:36 | |
| didrocks | hehe, so easy :) | 08:37 |
| seb128 | mvo, I don't know what you are talking about | 08:37 |
| * mvo was kicked from #ubuntu-desktop (seb128) | 08:37 | |
| didrocks | (good morning seb128 and mvo o/) | 08:37 |
| seb128 | mvo, sudo -u gdm gnome-appearance-capplet? ;-) | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | mvo: there we go, they should build in a couple of minutes | 08:37 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:37 |
| mvo | many thanks Hobbsee | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | mvo: you're welcome | 08:37 |
| * mvo sends some virtual flowers | 08:37 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 08:37 |
| mvo | hey didrocks | 08:38 |
| seb128 | (hate hate spammers) | 08:38 |
| didrocks | 984 people connected on forum.ubuntu-fr.org \o/ | 08:39 |
| * didrocks thinks we will have a new record today ;) | 08:39 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, what is the current record? | 08:44 |
| didrocks | approx 1250 :) | 08:44 |
| asac | hi | 08:44 |
| asac | all going well ;)? | 08:45 |
| didrocks | hey asac | 08:45 |
| asac | hi didrocks | 08:45 |
| seb128 | hey asac | 08:45 |
| seb128 | yes, things same to be on track | 08:45 |
| seb128 | seems rather | 08:46 |
| asac | moin moin seb128 | 08:46 |
| asac | great | 08:46 |
| seb128 | is lucid open yet or what? ;-) | 08:46 |
| asac | boring day ;) ... lets check #ubuntu-release-party ;) | 08:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I know you are eager to upload 2.29.1 to lucid ;) | 08:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no | 08:53 |
| seb128 | I'm eager to start on reducing delta with debian ;-) | 08:54 |
| seb128 | we will probably not start on 2.29 before uds | 08:54 |
| didrocks | yeah, merging time :-) | 08:54 |
| TheMuso | Not to mention infrastructure changes for accessibility, i.e at-spi over dbus. I want to get that in and working at least as much as possible, as early as possible. | 08:58 |
| TheMuso | So I'll be interested in the 2.29 goings on. | 08:58 |
| === al-maisan_ is now known as al-maisan | ||
| mac_v | seb128: hi... <offtopic question> how do you get the cloak for gimpnet? [gnome-hackers] | 09:01 |
| seb128 | dunno what a cloak is | 09:01 |
| baptistemm | seb128, with a cloack nobody can see you ip | 09:02 |
| baptistemm | +your | 09:02 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, still doesn't tell me what a cloack is | 09:02 |
| seb128 | I just use xchat-gnome to connect to IRC | 09:03 |
| ikonia | seb128: join #freenode and ask | 09:03 |
| baptistemm | it is a service provided by IRC servers | 09:03 |
| mac_v | seb128: seems you dont use a cloak ;) > your are an ubuntu member , right so you can use the cloak > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks | 09:03 |
| seb128 | ikonia, I don't care about it but thanks | 09:03 |
| ikonia | seb128: if you don't care - don't ask | 09:03 |
| seb128 | ikonia, it's mac_v having questions | 09:03 |
| ikonia | ok | 09:03 |
| seb128 | ikonia, I'm busy enough with other things and I've no interest in that | 09:04 |
| mac_v | ikonia: actually i asked , but freenode staff didnt know either :( | 09:04 |
| ikonia | seb128: ok | 09:04 |
| ikonia | mac_v: freenode staff do know what and how to get a cloak | 09:04 |
| seb128 | mac_v, I don't know and I don't care ;-) | 09:04 |
| mac_v | ;p | 09:04 |
| mac_v | ikonia: dont how to get a cloak for gimpnet | 09:04 |
| ikonia | that's nothing to do with this channel or this network - ask on gumpnet | 09:04 |
| ikonia | gimpnet | 09:04 |
| mac_v | ikonia: i cant find the support channel for gimpnet :(... | 09:05 |
| ikonia | again - not this channel or this network's issue, check their website | 09:05 |
| mac_v | ikonia: yup , i know that ;) ... i was checking if seb128 had any info since he frequents gnome-hackers :) | 09:06 |
| ikonia | respect to anyone who's contributing to gnome | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I do but I don't feel any need to use a cloack so I never asked | 09:07 |
| mac_v | seb128: you know ? how do i get it? :) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | mac_v, I do frequent #gnome-hackers I meant | 09:07 |
| seb128 | mac_v, I guess you can try #sysadmin on their IRC | 09:08 |
| mac_v | seb128: oh... ok..thanks anyway | 09:08 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:08 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:09 |
| huats | salut seb128 | 09:10 |
| baptistemm | mac_v, gimpnet don't have any service like cloak or Nickserv | 09:12 |
| baptistemm | but if you can convince the sysadmin to setup them, nice :) | 09:12 |
| mac_v | baptistemm: oh... thats what i thought :) but recently i noticed that the few members where using a sort of cloak and thats got me thinking :D , must be something from the IP services or something else then :) | 09:14 |
| mac_v | baptistemm: also i couldnt find a support channel for gimpnet :( the admins are hiding somewhere ;p | 09:15 |
| seb128 | mac_v, they are on #sysadmin as just said before | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | hello everyone | 09:17 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:17 |
| mac_v | seb128: darn it! i was trying sys-admin :/ | 09:17 |
| seb128 | how are you on this karmic day? ;-) | 09:17 |
| mac_v | seb128: thanks :) | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128. i'm not too bad thanks. how are you? | 09:18 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 09:18 |
| mvo | Ng: I remember you had issues with compiz and the "run terminal" keybinding in the past. is this fully working now in karmic? | 09:34 |
| asac | seb128: you have anything in queue for gtk+ SRU? | 09:36 |
| seb128 | no | 09:36 |
| seb128 | why? | 09:36 |
| asac | i am going to prepare removing the debugging output for bug 401823 | 09:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 401823 in gtk+2.0 "(firefox:24993): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead - overeager XID caching" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401823 | 09:37 |
| asac | i got a user that said that .xsession-errors grow to 3GB in a few minutes | 09:37 |
| asac | ;) | 09:37 |
| asac | thats worse than what i thought | 09:37 |
| Ng | mvo: wow good memory. I haven't used it for some time, but a quick test suggests it doesn't work at all. I can't really spare any time today for anything deeper though | 09:37 |
| Ng | sorry | 09:37 |
| asac | seb128: ok so if you have anything i shoudl review and take for this gtk upload let me know ;) | 09:37 |
| seb128 | asac, I will find something, would be a shame to update gtk only to drop a warning | 09:38 |
| mvo | Ng: sure, many thanks. I prepare a fix - I can image your are super-busy :) | 09:38 |
| asac | seb128: ok. ;) | 09:38 |
| asac | i will wait a bit then | 09:38 |
| seb128 | asac, ok, there is nothing else that I can see we really need now so go for your change | 09:44 |
| seb128 | I'm curious to know how that user trigger so many warnings though | 09:44 |
| asac | seb128: seems to just happen for some cases | 09:47 |
| asac | especially when using flash in firefox | 09:47 |
| asac | not easy to reproduce such a flush | 09:47 |
| asac | of error msgs | 09:48 |
| rickspencer3 | quit | 09:50 |
| rickspencer3 | ... | 09:50 |
| rickspencer3 | tooo quiet | 09:50 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti, asac good morning | 09:51 |
| mpt | mac_v, I thought it already was in the release notes | 09:54 |
| mpt | (wiki.ubuntu.com is temporarily unavailable? ... first time I've ever seen that) | 09:55 |
| davmor2 | mpt: they'll be preping for release | 09:56 |
| asac | hi rick | 10:09 |
| asac | hmm rick<tab> | 10:09 |
| seb128 | same here | 10:09 |
| seb128 | asac, will you have a look to the gnome-bluetooth updates to see if that's worth sru-ing? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | we tend to sru some GNOME bug fixes updates usually | 10:10 |
| seb128 | ie just sponsored totem's one from robert_ancell | 10:10 |
| seb128 | be back in a bit I need to go you to get some food for lunch | 10:12 |
| mpt | mac_v, <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/HumanReleaseNotesv2#Simpler%20menus%20and%20buttons> | 10:13 |
| mac_v | mpt: ah ha... ;) the gnome-menu is not mentioned ... so users think that the humanity theme is incomplete and lacks those icons hence the icon is not displayed :( | 10:26 |
| * mac_v hopes that might convince mpt to consider the icons back for all gnome-menu ;p | 10:27 | |
| mpt | mac_v, why should we special-case gnome-menu? | 10:31 |
| mac_v | mpt: the only reason is the all or none rule... either we remove all icon from that menu or keep icons for all... since if *some* are missing it looks like a bug , just like the context menus which only had icons for some items ... | 10:32 |
| mpt | mac_v, all or none is not a rule | 10:32 |
| mac_v | not a rule per-se but just looks odd! | 10:33 |
| mpt | mac_v, and even if it was, none of the items in the System menu have icons | 10:33 |
| mac_v | mpt: what about the places menu? | 10:33 |
| mac_v | mpt: the system menu is part of the gnome-menu , so it seems broken | 10:34 |
| mac_v | mpt: its like removing the icons from only the help menu while having icons in the file, edit, view | 10:35 |
| mpt | mac_v, what about the Places menu? | 10:35 |
| mpt | mac_v, I'm sorry, I don't know exactly what you mean by "the gnome-menu" | 10:36 |
| mac_v | gnome-menu== main menu | 10:36 |
| mpt | mac_v, the one that's not used by default? | 10:36 |
| mpt | The one that starts with "Accessories" and ends with "System"? | 10:36 |
| mac_v | mpt: i was meaning the one used by default , yeah the accessories, places, system menu | 10:37 |
| mpt | mac_v, Firefox similarly has icons in its History and Bookmarks menus but not in its other menus. Equal use of icons *across* menus is not a goal. | 10:37 |
| mac_v | mpt: the firefox issue is due the recent change ;) ... the bug was filed that the bookmarks were objects | 10:39 |
| chrisccoulson | but the menu items with icons in Firefox are grouped together aren't they, and not just scattered about like the Places menu? | 10:39 |
| mac_v | mpt: the places menu doesnt have icons for the "connect to server" , "search files" and "recent documents"... only the 3 dont have icons | 10:39 |
| chrisccoulson | the current places menu is absolutely hideous | 10:39 |
| mpt | mac_v, yes, I was giving Firefox as an example of doing it right. | 10:42 |
| mac_v | mpt: IMO, its not right... just consider a user moving from one menu to the next , when the menu behaves as a single unit [user can click on file and move down the rest without having to click again , or click accessories and change view to system] , the menu must be treated as the same , now one drop down shows icon while the next doesnt , this is odd .. not a good design... :/ | 10:44 |
| asac | seb128: yes. i have to rebase the patches we have to see what is left and if we need the SRU | 10:44 |
| seb128 | asac, ok | 10:44 |
| asac | seb128: i am on vac starting tomorrow ... so will try to do that tonight | 10:44 |
| seb128 | asac, no hurry that can wait | 10:44 |
| asac | but last i looked the fixes didnt seem too differetn/important | 10:44 |
| asac | we are pretty good set i think | 10:45 |
| seb128 | asac, how much vac do you take? | 10:45 |
| asac | one week | 10:45 |
| asac | basically 6 days ;) | 10:45 |
| seb128 | ok, enjoy the well deserved break there! | 10:45 |
| asac | work days | 10:45 |
| asac | yeah ... i certainly will - need a battery recharge ;) | 10:45 |
| chrisccoulson | does anyone know what happens if you can g_source_remove when there are events pending for that particular source? do the events still get dispatched after removing the source, or are they removed from the main loop? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | I still have some 11 days to take but I take friday and will do a real end of year break | 10:45 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: they get cacnelled | 10:46 |
| asac | well ... i am not sure what happens if you remove from a different thread | 10:46 |
| asac | but if you remove them in the main thread, they wont get run anymore for sure | 10:46 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - thanks. do you know if that behaviour has changed since hardy? | 10:46 |
| mpt | mac_v, you're using "the menu" to mean "three separate menus". That's misleading. | 10:46 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: shouldnt have changed ... unless it was/is buggy in some way | 10:46 |
| chrisccoulson | asac, thanks! my issue must be related to something else:( | 10:47 |
| mac_v | mpt: that is because the whole row behaves as a single unit ... either the menu must open only when that menu item is clicked[clicking the file opens only file and clicking history should open only history] or all need to behave/display similarly , whether having icons or not. | 10:47 |
| mpt | mac_v, whether a menu item should have an icon depends on the item, not on what menu it's in. If a menu interleaves items that do and don't have icons, that's a sign that either (a) the wrong items have icons or (b) the menu should be rearranged. | 10:47 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: whats the problem? | 10:48 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - i'm working on a pidgin SRU for hardy, to make it work with Yahoo again. i'm getting a crasher with the changes though, which seemed to be caused by an event being dispatched, after the source was removed from the main loop and some data free'd | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't tell you much more yet though, as i'm at work ;) | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | and the patch is on my desktop at home :( | 10:49 |
| mpt | mac_v, Nautilus's "File" > "Open With" submenu uses icons for most of its items. Do you think that means all the items in the "File" menu should have icons too? | 10:50 |
| mac_v | mpt: need to behave separately as in> the notification area applets do not show the drop down menu of the applet beside them , so they behave independently | 10:50 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: usualyl those crashes happen when the callback target is finalized, but the source not properly removed | 10:51 |
| asac | how sure are you that the source is properly removed? | 10:51 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - i'm not 100% sure yet. i ran out of time debugging it last night | 10:51 |
| mac_v | mpt: what you mention here is sane > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2006-February/msg00000.html "I think icons should either be used for every item in a section (between the end of a menu and a separator, or between two menu separators), or for none of them, because anything else looks messy." | 10:51 |
| chrisccoulson | but i'll carry on with it again later | 10:51 |
| mpt | mac_v, yes, but there by "menu" I meant "menu", not "three separate menus". | 10:52 |
| mac_v | mpt: they dont behave separate :( .. they act just like a submenu system of the menubar | 10:53 |
| asac | ok | 10:53 |
| mpt | mac_v, then that brings us back to my question about Nautilus's File menu. | 10:53 |
| mac_v | mpt: the file menu needs to arranged properly , where the icon options and the icon-less options | 10:54 |
| mac_v | are separated by the separator | 10:54 |
| mpt | So maybe "Connect to Server..." and the separator above it should swap places. | 10:55 |
| mpt | Separator below it, rather. | 10:55 |
| mpt | Or maybe "Network" and the separator above it should swap places. | 10:56 |
| mac_v | mpt: might be saner , by still i dont see why the recent documents is not an object ;) | 10:56 |
| mpt | mac_v, it would be if it was an actual folder you can open. (IIRC it was a real folder containing shortcuts in classic Mac OS, for example.) | 10:56 |
| mac_v | mpt: IMO , the logic that only objects can use the icons is flawed :( ... icons need to be used for items which can be recognized ... for , "search for files" a magnifying glass is a good representative and can be a quick indication of what the item does | 11:00 |
| mac_v | mpt: while we use icon for accessories and so on ...which are very ambiguous , what does a ruler and scissors , really convey ? :/ not sure why the search doesnt need an icon | 11:04 |
| mac_v | programming = spade :/ , , does it mean anything if the user hasnt seen the icon along with the text ! | 11:06 |
| mpt | mac_v, "Search for Files..." is a borderline case. It is a standalone application, but people may not recognize (and probably should not need to know) that it is. | 11:06 |
| mac_v | mpt: what does it being a standalone application really have to do with it having an icon? i meant it can be recognized easier , not that since it was a standalone app... but anyways... the objects only have icons is not a good solution :) ambiguous objects end up having icons rather than the meaningful icons... which will end up making the icon removal even bad :( the criterion needs to be rather are these useful indicators [i know its a | 11:11 |
| mac_v | bit ambiguous] | 11:11 |
| mac_v | but anyways... ;) | 11:12 |
| mpt | mac_v, the trouble there is that developers would have no idea when to stop, and we'd be right back where we were. | 11:12 |
| seb128 | ie having a nice looking desktop? ;-) | 11:13 |
| mpt | haw haw | 11:13 |
| seb128 | users seems really unhappy with the current system menu lack if icons | 11:13 |
| mpt | Users are always unhappy. | 11:13 |
| mpt | That's their job. | 11:14 |
| mac_v | not really ;p | 11:14 |
| fredp | mvo: hi! packagekit-gnome is proposed for gnome, and we (release team) meet on sunday to discuss new modules, seb128 told me you were the one who'd know best the ubuntu/.deb situation. | 11:14 |
| seb128 | not true | 11:14 |
| seb128 | there is lot of cases where some users complain or people don't like change | 11:14 |
| seb128 | but the system menu change is perceived as a bug by a lot of users | 11:14 |
| seb128 | including technical people who know about the icon change | 11:14 |
| andreasn | it seems like the happy people are always silent | 11:14 |
| mac_v | +1 | 11:14 |
| seb128 | andreasn, not really true either, on lot of bugs you have people from both side arguing | 11:15 |
| asac | what icon change is that? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | I've not seen any user argue in favor of this one | 11:15 |
| seb128 | asac, don't display icons in menus by default | 11:15 |
| seb128 | and on buttons | 11:15 |
| mac_v | asac: the system menu lacking icons while the places and accessories have icon | 11:15 |
| asac | oh ... yeah | 11:16 |
| asac | firefox still has icons ;) | 11:16 |
| seb128 | that's like the 2 slot logic from notify-osd | 11:16 |
| seb128 | dunno what is the design rational but users just don't get it | 11:16 |
| asac | for 2 slot? ... i agree. i would rather like to see the normal notifications slide down getting replaced by the synchronous ones | 11:16 |
| asac | with a cool animation ;) | 11:16 |
| seb128 | I've to admit it just weird looking and not obvious why it's done this way and looks buggy | 11:16 |
| asac | yes | 11:17 |
| asac | i think the "normal" notifiations - which are more frequent - at least should get the top spot | 11:17 |
| asac | e.g. flip it | 11:17 |
| seb128 | especially if you don't use synchronous bubbles | 11:17 |
| asac | or do the sliding/anmination i described | 11:17 |
| seb128 | ie desktop configs where people don't change volume with the keyboard | 11:17 |
| asac | yep | 11:17 |
| asac | thats what i say | 11:17 |
| seb128 | +1 | 11:17 |
| asac | synch are less frequent for sure | 11:17 |
| asac | and should get the lower space if we cannot animate and want fixed position | 11:18 |
| seb128 | seems there is a real popular ppa undoing that change | 11:18 |
| seb128 | shame that it leads to have lot of users using a non official version | 11:18 |
| mac_v | andreasn: mpt: i would agree that some icons are nonsensical , but having the icons for objects alone is bad .. ;) would a new user even know what the firefox icon is? but wouldnt the same user recognize the arrow icons? the better thing to do is arrange the menu properly | 11:19 |
| * mac_v hiles | 11:19 | |
| seb128 | I still hate the system menu not having icons too | 11:19 |
| seb128 | much easier to spot the reboot action from an icon than parsing labels | 11:19 |
| * mac_v rather hides | 11:19 | |
| seb128 | system menu -> session menu | 11:20 |
| andreasn | mpt: do you know any good articles/books on personality of applications? (if you get what I mean) | 11:20 |
| seb128 | or whatever the corner menu is called | 11:20 |
| mac_v | +1 to seb128 | 11:20 |
| mpt | andreasn, not really. About Face has a discussion of "software posture"; is that what you mean? | 11:21 |
| seb128 | I think that part of the issue is that designers don't get the user feedback or they always think people will be complaining and don't reconsider their changes | 11:21 |
| andreasn | mpt: maybe, I was thinking in what kind of tone a app speaks etc. Just curious about the subject | 11:22 |
| andreasn | mpt: I'll check out about face again | 11:22 |
| mpt | andreasn, e.g. http://bradt.ca/archives/firefox-error-message-well-this-is-embarrassing/ | 11:24 |
| andreasn | mpt: yes! exactly, stuff like that! | 11:25 |
| mac_v | asac: yeah whats with that ^ ? | 11:25 |
| mpt | andreasn, the Windows and Apple interface guidelines both have sections on software tone. IIRC the Windows ones make a point of Vista onwards being a bit friendlier than earlier versions. | 11:26 |
| andreasn | ah, I'll check that out. | 11:28 |
| mvo | fredp: hello - right now packagekit-gnome does not support debconf questions. this is why we do not ship it by default and use a altnertive mechanism (aptdaemon). however this is now changing, so chances are good that for the next release debconf will be supported | 11:36 |
| mvo | fredp: but without it, thats a showstoppper for us, it means that some (debian policy) confirm debs simply can not get installed | 11:37 |
| fredp | mvo: seb128 told me aptdaemon may be providing the same dbus interface, is it correct? | 11:38 |
| mvo | fredp: aha, I see that you have found the right peope in packagekit already :) | 11:38 |
| fredp | mvo: hughsie told me dantti was working on this, right :) | 11:39 |
| mvo | fredp: its not the same, the aptdaemon one uses a different approach (a simpler one). I have not looked in detail yet into the way PK wants to do it, I was too busy (and it only happend very recently) | 11:39 |
| seb128 | mvo, there was no plan to have common dbus methods there to ie install something? | 11:41 |
| mvo | seb128: I certainly hope so | 11:42 |
| seb128 | what desktop applications want to do usually is to install a deb | 11:42 |
| seb128 | I was suggesting that GNOME should maybe agree on standard dbus apis and let distro decide on the backend | 11:42 |
| mvo | the good news is that it has become a technical problem now, in the past it was a policy decision (or precived as one) to not have questions during package install | 11:42 |
| mvo | oh, that is what you mean | 11:42 |
| seb128 | GNOME applications should only need the client side | 11:42 |
| mvo | well, that would make sense | 11:42 |
| fredp | it would sure be easy to approve pacakgekit-gnome, if we know it will work on ubuntu, talking to aptdaemon | 11:43 |
| seb128 | what is packagekit-gnome doing exactly? | 11:44 |
| fredp | anyway with both this option and the current work on packagekit, things are looking good. | 11:44 |
| seb128 | what GNOME needs imho is a set of apis apps can use to install something | 11:44 |
| seb128 | not a package management tool or a backend | 11:44 |
| mvo | seb128++ | 11:44 |
| seb128 | those are distro issues rather | 11:45 |
| fredp | seb128: I should check what's proposed exactly; mostly I believe it's proposed so that apps can request new pacakges | 11:45 |
| fredp | (for example file-roller can now request for the installation of unzip/etc.) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | I think it would make sense to accept the client side | 11:45 |
| seb128 | ie common client api to do installs | 11:45 |
| seb128 | then distro will sort what replies to those calls | 11:45 |
| seb128 | I would not accept a package management tool in GNOME though | 11:46 |
| seb128 | especially if it's working correctly on rpm only | 11:46 |
| fredp | I'll talk with hughsie to know exactly what is proposed | 11:47 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:47 |
| fredp | iirc there are many things in packagekit-gnome, replacements for update-notifier, 'add/remove applications', etc. | 11:47 |
| fredp | and those things are already handled fine in ubuntu | 11:48 |
| seb128 | fredp, right and those should not really go to GNOME since they are distribution specific tools | 11:58 |
| asac | ... consider to join #ubuntu-release-party so we reach 1000 ;) ... we are at 992 | 12:00 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| pitti | asac: Madness!! | 12:08 |
| pitti | asac: I see 957 | 12:08 |
| kenvandine | pitti, sure | 12:30 |
| pitti | kenvandine: that was a really short night.. | 12:31 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i have 3 kids :) | 12:31 |
| kenvandine | they are up at 6am no matter what time i go to bed | 12:31 |
| kenvandine | so 2 hours will have to do :) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | asac, 1000 was easy you need an another challenge now | 12:40 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:41 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| kenvandine | hey rickspencer3 | 12:57 |
| rickspencer3 | hi kenvandine | 12:57 |
| rickspencer3 | what's the word on the street? | 12:57 |
| kenvandine | the u1 bug is fixed | 12:57 |
| kenvandine | :) | 12:57 |
| rickspencer3 | sweeeet | 12:57 |
| * rickspencer3 is sitting across from silbs, atm :) | 12:58 | |
| kenvandine | verified it myself :) | 12:58 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks kenvandine | 12:58 |
| kenvandine | np | 12:58 |
| kenvandine | i also reproduced another bug they found in the process, and verified the fix | 12:58 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, good job this release | 12:58 |
| kenvandine | fixing this also uncovered 2 other bugs | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | not nearly as severe | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | u1 is happily syncing my life now :) | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | 2 physical computers and a VM all in sync :-p | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | pitti, pushed lp:~ubuntu-desktop/empathy/ubuntu | 13:02 |
| * \sh hugs pitti and all others from canonical/ubuntu team 30 desktops already on ubuntu karmic, now I have to deal with 70 jaunty servers still...but this is again a nightshift :) | 13:04 | |
| kenvandine | \sh, cool! | 13:04 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i am very impressed with how great the ubuntuone team handled that bug | 13:04 |
| kenvandine | very quickly identified it and got it under control | 13:05 |
| \sh | oh and btw...ubuntu jaunty on hp blade servers == charming much better then windows 2003/2008 + hpiloagent rebooting the thing every 2 days | 13:05 |
| kenvandine | and they had the client fixed and tested in under 12 hours from initial report | 13:06 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, we <3 U1 team :) | 13:06 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:07 |
| kenvandine | they rock! | 13:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: 1200 person on http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/ :) | 13:07 |
| didrocks | hey rickspencer3 | 13:07 |
| didrocks | hi kenvandine ;) | 13:07 |
| rickspencer3 | hi didrocks | 13:07 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, congrats on a great release | 13:08 |
| james_w | 'lut didrocks | 13:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, waouh ;-) | 13:08 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 13:08 |
| james_w | we <3 didrocks too :-) | 13:08 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: congrats too ;) | 13:08 |
| * didrocks hugs james_w | 13:08 | |
| rickspencer3 | you really rocked karmic | 13:08 |
| \sh | is it possible to have telepathy do syncs to xmpp+u1 users, as replacement for xmpp bytestream proxy? or is this just a crazy idea? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, congrats on karmic and leading desktop troups to success ;-) | 13:08 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, :) | 13:08 |
| * rickspencer3 wipes tear from eye | 13:08 | |
| * seb128 hugs rickspencer3 | 13:09 | |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, how is London? do you have parties every night? ;-) | 13:09 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, hardly | 13:10 |
| rickspencer3 | working very hard, but almost done | 13:10 |
| seb128 | today at least ? | 13:10 |
| pitti | \sh: yay | 13:10 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 13:10 |
| rickspencer3 | party is starting in kitchen, but I'm in a meeting with sabdfl ;) | 13:10 |
| seb128 | oh ok, good luck then ;-) | 13:10 |
| rickspencer3 | hi pitti ... thanks for your efforts last night/this morning | 13:10 |
| pitti | my pleasure | 13:10 |
| \sh | pitti, would be a nice feature when you are behind a proxy which doesn't let bytestream proxy through ;) | 13:10 |
| pitti | kenvandine: empathy> thanks, will re-upload | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | pitti, thx | 13:11 |
| \sh | pitti, and it could be a nice idea for viral marketing of u1 ;) | 13:11 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce__, sabdfl extends kudos to you Amaranth rest of desktop team for Karmic X | 13:12 |
| pitti | kenvandine: BTW, fixing changelog (merging into the previous one which just got rejected); and fixing version number (-0ubuntu1, not -1ubuntu1) | 13:16 |
| seb128 | heh | 13:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, reject my empathy upload? | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | eww | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | sorry | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i updated that leak patch and added a fix for toggling from the status icon | 13:16 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, we want to do bug 451568 in the same upload, and kenvandine added some more fixes | 13:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 451568 in empathy "Empathy don't close with click on notification area icon" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451568 | 13:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, ah ok | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | the togling only works though if you uncheck use indicators | 13:17 |
| pitti | seb128: faster that way | 13:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, pitti: thanks | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | seb128, still can't use both :) | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I usually do a new revision and dch -v the previous one | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | that would require a fair bit of work | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | but this was a one liner | 13:17 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, that's good enough | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I don't think people want to use both | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i thought you did? | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I just want to use the notification area icon | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I don't see the point of the indicator | 13:18 |
| seb128 | it's slower and make you not notice messages | 13:18 |
| kenvandine | seb128, out of curiosity, do you use evolution for mail? | 13:19 |
| rickspencer3 | *cough* | 13:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:19 |
| kenvandine | so i have empathy, evolution, gwibber, and xchat-gnome in the indicator | 13:19 |
| seb128 | but I do send&receive manually when I want to read emails | 13:19 |
| kenvandine | it is the place i keep an eye on for messaging stuff | 13:19 |
| kenvandine | it is my go-to place... | 13:19 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - does xchat-gnome have indicator support? | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, sort of :) | 13:20 |
| seb128 | and the indicator monitors only inbox anyway | 13:20 |
| seb128 | and I put everything in imap folders | 13:20 |
| seb128 | so it's always count 0 | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, not packaged anywhere and doesn't work well | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ah... true | 13:20 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, ok. i thought so. | 13:20 |
| pitti | uscan could not find the needed tarball. | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | i wish i could add mailboxes to monitor | 13:20 |
| pitti | seb128: ^ where did you get the empathy orig.tar.gz from? | 13:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://download.gnome.org/sources/empathy/2.28/empathy-2.28.1.1.tar.gz | 13:21 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - are you planning to progress that? (i was thinking about adding indicator support a few days ago, but wasn't sure if anyone else was working on it) | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i will fix it up | 13:21 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, watch has http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/empathy/([0-9.]+)/empathy-(.*).tar.gz | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | smerp wrote it originally | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's equivalent | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | but it doesn't do much more than toggle | 13:21 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - cool! | 13:21 |
| pitti | weird | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/empathy/2.28/empathy-2.28.1.1.tar.gz | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i fixed it up to be a little more useful but never figured out how to make xchat-gnome change which channel/pm is displayed | 13:22 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, uscan fail then; anyway, thanks | 13:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, you're welcome | 13:22 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - i'm not sure either. i've not had a look at the xchat-gnome source in any great detail yet | 13:22 |
| seb128 | I tend to not let bzr-buildpackage download things since most GNOME packages are buggy and download the tarball twice | 13:22 |
| chrisccoulson | so i need to think of something else to work on in lucid:) | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, plugins are pretty simple... but i don't see a function for changing the views | 13:23 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I might start using the indicator if xchat-gnome put things there | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | seb128, well maybe i should finish it :) | 13:23 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it just doesn't fit my im and email workflows | 13:23 |
| seb128 | I want to know about im messages not to queue those | 13:23 |
| seb128 | and I do decide when I read email based on when I'm not doing something | 13:23 |
| seb128 | not based on when things arrive | 13:24 |
| seb128 | I've always unread emails coming anyway | 13:24 |
| seb128 | would it only be spams | 13:24 |
| seb128 | so the indicator is useful for those | 13:24 |
| pitti | yeah; trying email into a synchronous medium is just madness | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll clean it up | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | i might just need to include more headers from the frontend stuff to actually use the widgets directly | 13:25 |
| kenvandine | i can change channels that way | 13:25 |
| kenvandine | but seems like something they should include in the plugin api | 13:25 |
| seb128 | bah | 13:47 |
| seb128 | f-spot doesn't start in the guest session | 13:48 |
| * seb128 boots a kvm iso for testing | 13:48 | |
| huats | does anyone has seen repports about automount of usbsticks/hd that dont' automount after a jaunty -> karmic upgrade ? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | huats, do you have gnome-volume-manager installed? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | hum, new wave theme makes f-spot crash | 14:40 |
| seb128 | who is maintaining those themes, seems nobody look at the bug list on launchpad | 14:40 |
| huats | seb128, nope | 14:41 |
| seb128 | huats, ok good, use ubuntu-bug it has magic to debug those | 14:41 |
| seb128 | just "ubuntu-bug", select debug removable media issues | 14:42 |
| * asac gone for some errands. will be back later (~2h) | 14:42 | |
| huats | seb128, done | 14:46 |
| seb128 | huats, bug number? | 14:46 |
| huats | seb128, bug 463347 | 14:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463347 in gvfs "Usb Media not automaticaly mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463347 | 14:47 |
| seb128 | is nautilus running? | 14:47 |
| huats | it is | 14:47 |
| seb128 | and the usb key is neither listed in nautilus computer, sidebar not places menu now? | 14:48 |
| huats | seb128, nope | 14:49 |
| seb128 | is it listed in gnome-disk-utility? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | I think the apport bug filing magic is wrong there | 14:50 |
| seb128 | it's a bug with the key not with gvfs | 14:50 |
| seb128 | it has no type nor version | 14:51 |
| huats | seb128, it was working great with jaunty (with the same key) | 14:51 |
| seb128 | ie seems your partition is not formated or something | 14:51 |
| seb128 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34601723/DKDisksMonitorLog.txt | 14:51 |
| seb128 | empty type version | 14:51 |
| huats | I have tested with 3 differents stuffs | 14:51 |
| huats | (keys or HD I mean) | 14:52 |
| huats | I can send the debug infos with another one... | 14:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ any clue? | 14:52 |
| seb128 | or chrisccoulson might know too | 14:52 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you read about usb mounting not working for some users? | 14:53 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i've not noticed that | 14:53 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:54 |
| seb128 | huats, dunno what is going on on your system then | 14:54 |
| huats | :( | 14:54 |
| huats | that is quite weird | 14:55 |
| seb128 | is the key listed in usb-screator? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | or gnome-disk-utility? | 14:56 |
| huats | seb128, I don't have gnome-disk-utility | 14:56 |
| huats | but it is listed in gparted | 14:56 |
| huats | not seen in usb-creator | 14:57 |
| huats | I am installing gnome-disk-utiliy | 14:57 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:57 |
| huats | seb128, when you say gnome-disk-utility what binar do you mean ? | 14:58 |
| huats | since I do have the package installed | 14:58 |
| seb128 | system, admin, disk utility | 14:58 |
| huats | ok | 14:59 |
| huats | seb128, it is seen | 14:59 |
| seb128 | and you can mount it using mount? | 14:59 |
| huats | (the binary is named Palimpsest) | 14:59 |
| seb128 | it is listed in fstab too? | 15:00 |
| huats | fstab ? not | 15:00 |
| huats | nor the mtab | 15:00 |
| huats | I can mount it using mount | 15:00 |
| seb128 | and mount /dev/sdb1 /media/something? | 15:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | does it show a valid filesystem type in palimpsest? | 15:00 |
| seb128 | so I don't know why it's not working | 15:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, bug #463347 | 15:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463347 in gvfs "Usb Media not automaticaly mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463347 | 15:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the devicekit-disks log has no type nor version | 15:01 |
| seb128 | like there was no fs known | 15:01 |
| seb128 | which is weird | 15:01 |
| huats | there is a fs since I have data on it that I can access :) | 15:01 |
| huats | (using mount) | 15:01 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, actually palimptest do not detect the fs type I think | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | dk-disks gets the fs type from the ID_FS_TYPE attribute for the device | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | so if that is missing, then it's an issue with whatever detects the filesystem type | 15:05 |
| chrisccoulson | and i can't remember what does that ;) | 15:05 |
| huats | :) | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | seb128: should I take #464428 or are you on it already? | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | bug #464428 | 15:09 |
| chrisccoulson | indeed, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34601725/UdevMonitorLog.txt shows that attribute is missing | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 464428 could not be found | 15:09 |
| chrisccoulson | huats^^ | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | bug 463328 | 15:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463328 in gst-plugins-bad0.10 "package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstautoconvert.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good 0:0.10.16-1ubuntu3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463328 | 15:10 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, so what can I do to help ? | 15:10 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure yet, i'm trying to figure that out:) | 15:10 |
| huats | :) | 15:10 |
| chrisccoulson | but i'm at work and i have to keep hiding pidgin when my boss walks nearby;) | 15:10 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, sure | 15:10 |
| huats | don't take any risks :) | 15:11 |
| chrisccoulson | huats - it's a slow day today anyway;) | 15:14 |
| huats | :) | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it is for me anyway! | 15:14 |
| pitti | huats: did you file a bug about it? (sorry, I was buried reading bugs) | 15:14 |
| pitti | huats: oh, 463347, nevermind | 15:14 |
| pitti | huats: I'll follow up in the bug, let's keep the discussion there | 15:15 |
| huats | pitti, sure ! | 15:15 |
| huats | thanks guys ! | 15:15 |
| pitti | but first, congrats everyone for karmic!! | 15:15 |
| * pitti celebrates | 15:15 | |
| chrisccoulson | i just saw the announcement \o/ | 15:15 |
| pitti | #u-r-p is pure madness | 15:15 |
| * pitti goes to process SRUs | 15:16 | |
| chrisccoulson | i need to leave work and party! | 15:16 |
| seb128 | mvo_, you can look at it thanks | 15:26 |
| Laney | seb128: how do you want to do/version this SRU? | 15:26 |
| Laney | can't sync for it, right? | 15:26 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 - i'm going to prepare a gnome-desktop SRU later | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | do we want to SRU the gsd-locate-pointer issue we discussed yesterday? | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, no we can't | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, we can fake sync with karmic-proposed target | 15:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, thanks for gnome-desktop, not sure about g-s-d | 15:28 |
| pedro_ | folks, just ping me if you need anything to be verified quickly on the SRU side | 15:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, seems something we can maybe combine with other pending changes if there is any | 15:28 |
| pedro_ | i'll be taking a look into those anyways | 15:28 |
| seb128 | pedro_, thanks! | 15:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, congrats to you too ;-) | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no worries, i'll work on the gnome-desktop update later | 15:28 |
| pedro_ | seb128, my pleasure ;-) | 15:28 |
| pedro_ | and congrats for a rocking release guys! | 15:28 |
| pedro_ | so much nice comments on twitter/identi.ca/etc | 15:29 |
| seb128 | pitti and chrisccoulson: you guys did rocking work with new devicekits etc changes in karmic btw thanks again | 15:29 |
| pitti | \o/ | 15:29 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 15:29 |
| * Laney is seeding like crazy | 15:29 | |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 / pitti - thanks for sponsoring all my work too:) | 15:29 |
| hggdh | seb128: the dbus errors in evolution seem to be caused by glib2/gconf calls, not directly by evo. It may be due to evo being heavily threaded | 15:30 |
| hggdh | mcrha has told me he has just seen similar bug reports in fedora | 15:30 |
| seb128 | hggdh, how did you figure that? all those all duplicates? | 15:31 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:31 |
| hggdh | seb128: most of the calls involving dbus were driven from glib/gconf calls | 15:31 |
| seb128 | hggdh, read the upstream chan discussion now | 15:31 |
| hggdh | I am not sure how I can classify them all as dups (code path changes radically, sometimes), but this *may* need some serialisation in evo | 15:32 |
| pedro_ | mm so they might be all dups of a bug i've sent a few weeks ago there | 15:33 |
| * pedro_ looks | 15:33 | |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know who is responsive for gnome-themes-ubuntu? | 15:34 |
| * hggdh has just been preempted asking for the bug# by migthy pedro_ | 15:34 | |
| pitti | seb128: ubuntu artwork team, by and large (hi kwwii!) | 15:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know who is responsive for gnome-themes-ubuntu, seems nobody is very active on launchpad bugs there? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 15:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, new wave makes f-spot crash on start | 15:34 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593017 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 593017 in Misc. "evolution-data-server-2.28 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 15:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, speaking about f-spot it doesn't start in the guest session either, is there a way to desactivate the apparmor profile there to see if that's the issue? | 15:35 |
| dobey | james_w: hey. around? | 15:35 |
| james_w | dobey: yes | 15:35 |
| hggdh | pedro_: thank you | 15:36 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, that's the gconf-over-dbus according to mbarnes | 15:36 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, you're welcome | 15:36 |
| hggdh | yeah. This is going to be bad for us :-( | 15:36 |
| seb128 | it's going to be an issue for any distro | 15:37 |
| dobey | james_w: hey. i understand that the source package branches stuff has a few different ways it works. is there any documentation on those differences? | 15:37 |
| james_w | dobey: /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/ | 15:37 |
| pedro_ | we just got the bug first... | 15:37 |
| dobey | james_w: thanks | 15:37 |
| james_w | dobey: file:///usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/user_manual even | 15:37 |
| hggdh | it is indeed, but we tend to be at the bleeding edge | 15:37 |
| seb128 | well we just ship 2.28 there | 15:38 |
| seb128 | not e-d-s over dbus yet which is 2.29 | 15:38 |
| seb128 | in any case I wonder if that creates real user issues | 15:39 |
| hggdh | yes. But gconf now uses dbus | 15:39 |
| seb128 | out of apport triggering | 15:39 |
| seb128 | gconf uses dbus for years | 15:39 |
| hggdh | then something radically changed in evo 2.28 | 15:40 |
| seb128 | I think something changed in evo yes | 15:40 |
| seb128 | gconf didn't change a lot recently | 15:40 |
| seb128 | the dbus version is there since hardy | 15:40 |
| tgpraveen1 | in ubuntu karmic, networkmanager seems to be having problem with policykit | 15:43 |
| tgpraveen1 | or something each time i have to connect i need to enter my password so that Nm can access the keyring for that | 15:43 |
| tgpraveen1 | connection's password | 15:43 |
| tgpraveen1 | and many times the dialog asking for password itself doesnt appear and thats why Nm is not able to make a successful connection and i dont get any indication of error also | 15:43 |
| cassidy | hey guys; congrats for the release! | 15:45 |
| seb128 | hey cassidy, thanks | 15:45 |
| seb128 | cassidy, empathy 2.28.1.1 accepted as candidate update with libindicator issue fixed btw | 15:45 |
| seb128 | should make everybody happy | 15:45 |
| tgpraveen1 | great work everybody. superb release . thanks a lot! | 15:46 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:46 |
| seb128 | tgpraveen1, your password issue is on ubuntu or unr? | 15:46 |
| hggdh | hum. I will have another look at the threadStackTraces for e-d-s again. | 15:47 |
| * hggdh got an idea (probably wrong, but what the hell) | 15:47 | |
| cassidy | seb128, \o/ | 15:47 |
| tgpraveen1 | ubuntu | 15:48 |
| seb128 | ok, asac might know then | 15:48 |
| seb128 | I've seen a similar bug about unr but none on ubuntu | 15:48 |
| Laney | seb128: bug 463404 | 15:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463404 in f-spot "New upstream release 0.6.14" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463404 | 15:49 |
| tgpraveen1 | k. have pinged him about it on #nm. and btw many times the problems of policykit and networkmanager appear while setting up a new connection. ie the connection is setup and then it cant connect as it doesnt get access to keyring or something but it never asks me for entering password itself. | 15:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 15:50 |
| tgpraveen1 | btw is it supposed to ask for system passsword at all coz it didnt in jaunty? | 15:50 |
| Laney | np | 15:50 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, use sudo aa-complain gdm-guest-session | 15:50 |
| seb128 | I got none of my machines asking for system password there | 15:50 |
| pitti | seb128: you can also check dmesg and see if you have violations there | 15:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, [13729.983870] type=1503 audit(1256823893.303:72): operation="file_mmap" pid=4115 parent=4077 profile="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" requested_mask="mrw::" denied_mask="m::" fsuid=102 ouid=102 name="/dev/shm/mono.4115" | 15:51 |
| hggdh | hey pedro_, I see you now have bugsquad-assignement powers at b.g.o! Cool! | 15:51 |
| pitti | oh | 15:51 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, yeah just 10 dollars | 15:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, there is lot of complains in fact in a guest session | 15:51 |
| pitti | seb128: that makes sense | 15:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, /etc/compizconfig/config too | 15:52 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, oh going to UDS this time? | 15:52 |
| hggdh | pedro_: if they are American dollars, it was really cheap ;-) | 15:52 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, you're a local right? | 15:52 |
| pitti | seb128: it wants to mmap those? hm | 15:52 |
| hggdh | pedro_: yes, I will be there, and yes, I am a local | 15:52 |
| pedro_ | hggdh, *awesome* | 15:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's using sqlite, not sure if that makes a difference there | 15:52 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, that would mmap, yes | 15:52 |
| pitti | seb128: can you please open a bug and assign to me? should be trivial to fix, I'll prepare an SRU | 15:53 |
| pitti | but not today any more | 15:53 |
| pitti | I'll meet with my wife at the fair, time for a quiet evening | 15:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, no hurry, will do, thanks | 15:53 |
| pitti | seb128: and then, off you go as well :) | 15:53 |
| seb128 | right, swimming pool tonight and then non computer evening | 15:53 |
| seb128 | and 3 days weekend | 15:53 |
| pitti | ah, enjoy | 15:53 |
| seb128 | I'm taking a vac day tomorrow again | 15:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:53 |
| pitti | I'll do a quiet day tomorrow, working on some pet projects | 15:54 |
| james_w | seb128: enjoy, you deserve it | 15:54 |
| seb128 | james_w, thanks ;-) | 15:54 |
| === robbiew is now known as robbiew-afk | ||
| mac_v | seb128: actually user filed the bug #463345 in empathy , because in indicator applet Bug 450398 was rejected ;) ,also was rejected in Humanity ;p ... so he later filed the 463345 in empathy ;) | 16:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463345 in indicator-applet "Unread messages icon in indicator applet too discreet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463345 | 16:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 450398 in indicator-applet "The "unread messages" appearance of the tray icon is not noticeable enough in Karmic" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450398 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | mac_v, still not an empathy issue ;-) | 16:06 |
| mac_v | yup :) | 16:06 |
| === halfline_ is now known as halfline | ||
| seb128 | re | 16:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, uploaded, needs to be approved now which will probably not be before tomorrow or next week | 16:45 |
| hggdh | is the dbus library thread-safe? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ^ | 16:46 |
| Laney | seb128: OK no hurry, thanks for looking at it | 16:47 |
| seb128 | Laney, thank you for doing the update ;-) | 16:47 |
| Laney | was a boring upstream update really | 16:47 |
| seb128 | boring bug fixes is what we want in stable updates ;-) | 16:47 |
| seb128 | no new cracks | 16:47 |
| Laney | yep :) | 16:48 |
| seb128 | mvo_, still there? | 16:58 |
| seb128 | mvo_, is there a way to add an usb key as cdrom source on hardy? | 16:58 |
| seb128 | bbl | 17:06 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|capoeira | ||
| asac | tgpraveen1: what kind of connection is that? | 17:18 |
| tgpraveen1 | 3g modem | 17:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | usb modem | 17:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | which is supported ootb | 17:19 |
| asac | tgpraveen1: "available to all users" ... or normal? | 17:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | cuurently at normal | 17:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | though earlier | 17:19 |
| tgpraveen1 | with available to all it was still giving same problems | 17:19 |
| asac | ok | 17:20 |
| asac | there seem to be issues with secrets + available to all users | 17:21 |
| asac | for some ppp things | 17:21 |
| asac | tgpraveen1: but lets continue in #nm ... see you are there too ;) | 17:21 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, whats with the "capabilities mismatch" with ubuntu one? | 17:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i just saw that after signing in for the first time today | 17:43 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson: it's in the release notes, you need to update | 17:47 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - thanks:) | 17:47 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, the archive is painfully slow | 17:58 |
| Laney | 443, not bad | 18:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't connect to the main archive now | 18:01 |
| chrisccoulson | and i'm trying to find a mirror that's not out of date ;) | 18:01 |
| chrisccoulson | right, time for more pidgin debugging | 18:18 |
| pitti | yay, lucid exists in LP | 18:24 |
| mac_v | pitti: when will lucid alpha1 be available? | 18:30 |
| pitti | mac_v: hm, something like 4 weeks perhaps, not sure | 18:31 |
| mac_v | o.0 4weeks with no crashes ... /me sad | 18:31 |
| chrisccoulson | are you all looking forward to UDS now? | 18:31 |
| pitti | yes! | 18:32 |
| czajkowski | yup | 18:32 |
| chrisccoulson | it will be quiet here for a couple of weeks! | 18:34 |
| chrisccoulson | i might have to do some work in the daytime :( | 18:34 |
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| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, what is your daytime job that you can spend so much time here? :) | 19:31 |
| === MacSlow|capoeira is now known as MacSlow | ||
| chrisccoulson | hey kklimonda - sorry, i went for dinner | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm an electronics engineer in the day | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | but i hate it ;) | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | so i spend all day on here instead!" | 21:00 |
| dobey | heh | 21:03 |
| chrisccoulson | yes! weekend! :) | 21:12 |
| mac_v | dobey: hey , when could i expect the update of the fdo page regarding the delete and remove icons? I'd like to file a bug in the apps , regarding that ;) | 21:16 |
| mac_v | if i file them now , probably the devs would just say the fdo page isnt clear :( | 21:17 |
| dobey | mac_v: even when i fix the spec, the page itself won't get updated automatically. what's currently there isn't what's currently in trunk i don't think :-/ | 21:17 |
| mac_v | dobey: hmm , weird :( ... just out of curiosity why is that it wont update? or is there anyplace i could point that this is the right spec? | 21:19 |
| dobey | mac_v: you could point at the docbook file in git i guess | 21:20 |
| mac_v | dobey: great... :) the gnome-theme git? | 21:20 |
| dobey | mac_v: it doesn't update automatically because it's a script that gets run, that has config that points at specific revisions/tags to pull the docbook to generate the different versions | 21:20 |
| dobey | mac_v: no | 21:21 |
| dobey | mac_v: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/default-icon-theme/tree/spec/icon-naming-spec.xml | 21:21 |
| mac_v | dobey: awesome , thanks , so once that gets updated ... /me will go on bug rampage ;) | 21:23 |
| dobey | mac_v: can you please file a bug for that against the iocn-naming-spec project on launchpad? | 21:23 |
| mac_v | dobey: sure... will do | 21:24 |
| dobey | thanks | 21:25 |
| dobey | and now, i gotta go do some other stuff :) | 21:25 |
| kklimonda | btw any idea how can I hide partition from gvfs? I have two partitions on my android sdcard and both are mounted and detected by media players as android phones :) | 21:37 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, not sure | 21:39 |
| chrisccoulson | are they appearing as removable storage devices? or as media devices? | 21:39 |
| kklimonda | hmm | 21:41 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, how to check it? | 21:41 |
| chrisccoulson | the output of gvfs-mount -li will give a clue | 21:41 |
| kklimonda | brb, I'll load gnome :) | 21:41 |
| chrisccoulson | if you see 'GProxyVolumeMonitorGdu' next to the device, then it's just a removable drive | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | if you see 'GProxyVolumeMonitorGPhoto' or something similar, then it's a media device | 21:43 |
| kklimonda | btw, 9.10 is almost unusable on 512ram - at least in my case :/ | 21:43 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, i've been using it for some testing in a 512MB VM, and it seems to be ok | 21:44 |
| kklimonda | GProxyVolumeMonitorGdu | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | so it's being picked up and mounted as removable storage? | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | but media players detect it as something else? | 21:45 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, when you launch Firefox, some terminals, Evolution, rhythmbox it starts to swap.. and my disk is slow | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, Firefox is pretty heavy anyway | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i struggle with Firefox with 2GB of RAM | 21:46 |
| chrisccoulson | especially when there are 2 user sessions open, and both sessions have a Firefox instance running | 21:46 |
| chrisccoulson | the machine is unusable then ;) | 21:46 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, rhythmbox detects both mounted partitions as "1.4 GB Filesystem" and "535 MB Filesystem", Banshee displays them both as "HTC Dream Android" or something - can't check it right now | 21:47 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, that's wierd then. i don't know what banshee uses to get the info | 21:48 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, it's not a default setup | 21:48 |
| chrisccoulson | banshee might still be getting the info from HAL | 21:48 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, that's why I don't want to report bugs, just somehow hide the smaller one from gvfs/players | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | whereas rhythmbox is talking to UDEV instead | 21:49 |
| chrisccoulson | that will probably cause some inconsistency | 21:49 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, I'm not sure if it's inconsistency - both players detects both partitions and handles them as if they are both for media - the smaller one is for applications, it's not an official android feature so I guess no one cared to test it out | 21:50 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm. i've got an android phone here - should probably try it out | 21:51 |
| chrisccoulson | if i can find it! | 21:51 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, you would need an cyanogenmod or another apps2sd modification | 21:51 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, it's a bug in a way that whatever you copy to the smaller partition won't show on a phone. At the same time it may be a case of not supported user modification ;) | 21:52 |
| kklimonda | (well, it will show on a phone if you use terminal or some 3rd party file browser - just not in media player) | 21:53 |
| * chrisccoulson shouldn't leave his phone on display in his car | 21:53 | |
| kklimonda | :} | 21:54 |
| chrisccoulson | ok, thats confusing | 21:55 |
| kklimonda | I've written too much ;) | 21:55 |
| chrisccoulson | i plug in my phone, and i get a nautilus window AND rhythmbox opens | 21:55 |
| kklimonda | interesting :) | 21:56 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, that might just be because i already had rhythmbox open | 21:56 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, I think I got 2 dialogs whenever I connected my phone - one for photos and other for music | 21:57 |
| kklimonda | (the ones that ask me what to do) | 21:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm, that's a bit wierd | 21:58 |
| kklimonda | I can't check if it's still the case because I've marked to not show them anymore | 21:58 |
| kklimonda | no idea where can I unmark this option ;) | 21:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm "x_content_types: x-content/image-dcf x-content/audio-player" | 22:03 |
| chrisccoulson | so nautilus just decides it will do the actions for photos and music player at the same time | 22:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know if that is expected behaviour | 22:03 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, where can I change the default actions btw? | 22:05 |
| kklimonda | I can't find it anywhere | 22:05 |
| chrisccoulson | it's hidden away in a really obvious and intuitive location.... | 22:05 |
| chrisccoulson | it's in Nautilus - Edit -> Preferences, and then the Media tab | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | lots of users already complain about that ;) | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | ooh dear, where did everyone go? | 22:06 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, oh right, now that I know what application is responsible for it it's indeed obvious :) | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | it's not obvious to a lot of people though | 22:06 |
| chrisccoulson | pfft, i don't want an icon that looks like an ipod for my android phone | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | i want an icon that looks like my phone | 22:07 |
| chrisccoulson | mac_v ^^ :P | 22:08 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, it's the kind of preference I look for in System->Preferences | 22:08 |
| kklimonda | and not in application's settings | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - there is an icon in the preferences menu, but it's hidden by default | 22:08 |
| chrisccoulson | "File Management" | 22:09 |
| kklimonda | oh, yummy - nautilus actually displays 3 dialogs for me when I connect the android. The 3rd one is from my custom partition.. | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | but that's not very helpful either ;) | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, if there are multiple partitions, then that's normal anyway | 22:09 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure of any other way around that really | 22:09 |
| kklimonda | how does nautilus decide that the partition is from music player? | 22:10 |
| mac_v | chrisccoulson: hmmm? i didnt understand... which icon? is being used? gvfs dumped a crap load of new stuff and probably davidz only knows all the icon names :( | 22:10 |
| chrisccoulson | mac_v - it's the "multimedia-player" icon | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i was joking btw ;) | 22:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't mind an icon that looks a bit like an ipod really | 22:11 |
| mac_v | ;) | 22:11 |
| * bryce__ changes all of chrisccoulson's icons into ipods randomly | 22:12 | |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - the media gets a x-content-type attribute, which nautilus uses | 22:12 |
| chrisccoulson | bryce__ - thanks:) | 22:12 |
| mac_v | but seriously the gvfs guys changed the icon names according to their wishes , now several is as was earlier :( | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, as I thought - any chance I could override it by some dot-file ? | 22:12 |
| mac_v | *is NOT as was earlier :( | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | .not-a-media-player or something ;) | 22:12 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - not sure. i'm trying to work out where the x-content-type attributes come from | 22:13 |
| kklimonda | btw, I really like the new folder names for mounted partitions | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | using UUID's? | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | yeah.. | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | so do i, but some users already complained about that | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | they want disk-1, disk-2 etc... | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | nothing like trying to guess what does CB08-D42C mean ;) | 22:14 |
| chrisccoulson | using UUID's gives some persistence though | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | It's better if disk has no label imo | 22:14 |
| kklimonda | yeah | 22:15 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - the content type comes from shared-mime-info then | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i sort of expected that anyway, but i wanted to work out how it gets from there to nautilus ;) | 22:21 |
| kklimonda | always the curious one ;) | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | indeed | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | time to change my VM's to lucid now:) | 22:25 |
| kklimonda | :) | 22:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, bug 463845 | 22:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463845 in ubuntuone-client "UbuntuOne is an embarassing load of crap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463845 | 22:29 |
| chrisccoulson | some users aren't very polite | 22:29 |
| bryce__ | chrisccoulson, that's an understatement | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | in general, or just this particular case? | 22:32 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, frankly I don't like the way Evolution is integrated with Ubuntu One (Evolution being the only application using ubuntu one I know about) | 22:34 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda - its only for contact sync though isn't it? | 22:34 |
| chrisccoulson | and it's "opt-in" too | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | tomboy has u1 integration too | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't need the contact sync in evolution, because i sync them all with google instead | 22:35 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, but it creates yet another contact book.. | 22:35 |
| chrisccoulson | where i can access them on my android phone:) | 22:35 |
| kklimonda | yes, so am I | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | so i just don't use the u1 contact sync stuff | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i will probably use it to sync notes, if i eventually buy myself a netbook | 22:36 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, then you are left with tomboy sync.. who uses tomboy anyway? ;) | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i use tomboy ;) | 22:36 |
| kklimonda | really? I've tried few times and found it too bloated to be a sticky notes replacement and not working as a full-time note taking software :) | 22:37 |
| kklimonda | but maybe that's just me | 22:37 |
| chrisccoulson | it's useful for noting down random thoughts at 3am when i'm debugging stuff, before my brain shrivels up due to lack of sleep | 22:37 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 22:38 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, the problem I personally have with U1 right now is that it's not as integrated with Ubuntu as I'd like it to be | 22:38 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's still early days though | 22:38 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm sure more stuff will use it eventually:) | 22:39 |
| kklimonda | and for some reason I don't like whole couchdb which is weird because I have never really used it ;) | 22:39 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that stuff's all magic to me. i don't understand how it works or what it does yet ;) | 22:39 |
| chrisccoulson | and i don't use things that i don't understand | 22:39 |
| kklimonda | command line arguments for launching it that show up in ps aux are scarry though | 22:40 |
| chrisccoulson | lol, yeah, just noticed that ;) | 22:40 |
| chrisccoulson | bbl, need to go and watch some TV :) | 22:41 |
| kklimonda | TV is overrated ;) | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Do you ahve any pending SRUs that will need uploading today? I am specifically thinking of brasero. | 22:52 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, looking.. | 22:53 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, brasero and bug 456269 (clutter-gtk) | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 456269 in clutter-gtk "Unlike libclutter, libclutter-gtk does not include gobject introspection data" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/456269 | 22:54 |
| TheMuso | For brasero, all that needs to be done is the bug has to be fixed up for the SRU, the bzr repo needs a slight tweak, and it can be re-uploaded. | 22:54 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, what needs changing? | 23:02 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: The justification of the SRU and regression potential. Unless the GNOME packages are done differently and I am not aware of it. | 23:03 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, I think in general the GNOME stable updates don't need a lot of description. I'll ping seb128 and pitti to check | 23:06 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, the release seems very quiet - do you know of any major problems? Do you know if U1 got fixed ok? | 23:07 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: The ubuntu one fixes are in proposed now I believe. There were a lot of acceptances into the proposed repo after we released, according to karmic-changes. | 23:08 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: I saw totem was also uploaded, so I'll check to see how that bug looks. | 23:20 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, ok | 23:20 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Refer to bug #463102 for what has to be done as an example. | 23:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463102 in totem "Update to 2.28.2" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463102 | 23:20 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, ok, will do | 23:21 |
| fta | could someone please have a look at bug 460710? | 23:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460710 | 23:35 |
| robert_ancell | TheMuso, debdiff attached | 23:42 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: ok thanks will take a look in a bit. | 23:53 |
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