[00:10] <rickspencer3> hi bryce__
[00:10] <bryce__> heya
[00:11] <rickspencer3> who else on the desktop team is up atm?
[00:13] <bryce__> ccheney maybe, although its evening for him now
[00:13] <bryce__> kenvandine too I think
[00:13] <bryce__> rickspencer3, whats up?
[00:14] <rickspencer3> just wondering what folks are up to
[00:14] <rickspencer3> iso testing?
[00:14] <bryce__> being flamed by xorg upstream because canonical doesn't have a 10 person X team
[00:14] <rickspencer3> where?
[00:14] <bryce__> heh, on the xorg-devel mailing list
[00:15] <rickspencer3> ah
[00:15] <bryce__> they're discussing about new plans for scheduling releases
[00:15] <rickspencer3>  /ignore
[00:15] <rickspencer3> bryce__, oh cool
[00:15] <rickspencer3> I should  subscribe
[00:15] <bryce__> there's an argument between keith and daniels about whether to do 3-month or 6-month release cycles, and daniels asked distros for input
[00:15] <TheMuso> A lot of key areas in Ubuntu only have 1 canonical person working on them.
[00:17] <bryce__> I posted an answer; the only reply to that has been some random upstream guy I've not heard of before saying that distros (by which I think he means Ubuntu) are getting a free lunch
[00:24] <ccheney> bryce__: hi saw my name
[00:24] <ccheney> rickspencer3: on the iso.qa site?
[00:26] <rickspencer3> ccheney, you can join #ubuntu-release and see if anyone asks for help there
[00:26] <rickspencer3> also, you can triage bugs that have been logged regarding the testing, see if there are any serious issues, etc...
[00:26] <rickspencer3> and also iso.qa testing
[00:26] <ccheney> rickspencer3: ok
[00:27] <robert_ancell> bryce__, could you have a quick look at the stack trace in bug 429322 - I think an X IO error is causing the problems.  If so, what is a good debugging technique to confirm that?
[00:28] <rickspencer3> hi robert_ancell good morning
[00:28] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[00:28] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, welcome to your first ubuntu release!
[00:28]  * robert_ancell wishes gconf was using something other than orbit already to make debugging easier...
[00:28] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yay!
[00:29] <bryce__> robert_ancell, looking
[00:29] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, you may want to join #ubuntu-release in case anyone asks for help
[00:29] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, ok
[00:33] <bryce__> robert_ancell, ok posted
[00:34] <chrisccoulson> xtrace rocks:)
[00:35] <robert_ancell> bryce__, thanks
[00:45] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, can you help robbiew get his desktopcouch working? he's got the  upgrade need to delete that file thing
[00:45] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, just pointing to the documentation would be fine
[01:05] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-release-party is going nuts already
[01:07] <ajmitch> Amaranth: just randomly start banning people
[01:07] <Amaranth> ajmitch: We got in trouble for that :/
[01:08] <ajmitch> aw
[01:09] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, sure
[01:09] <robbiew> thanx kenvandine
[01:09] <kenvandine> killall beam.smp desktopcouch-service
[01:09] <kenvandine> mv ~/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini{,-old}
[01:10] <kenvandine> rm ~/cache/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.pid
[01:10] <kenvandine> then do something that should start it again
[01:10] <kenvandine> like start evolution or something
[01:10] <Amaranth> thanks to rickspencer3 the release date is now the 30th :P
[01:11] <rickspencer3> dang it!
[01:13] <kenvandine> robbiew, let me know if you have questions
[01:13] <kenvandine> i need to step away for a few
[01:13] <kenvandine>  but will be back
[01:52] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, bryce__ the U1 guys may need you to test a little something for them shortly
[01:52] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, ok
[01:53] <rickspencer3> I told him to come ask you if needed anything
[01:55] <kenvandine> tedg, btw i did track down that critical i was looking for, thx for your tips
[01:55] <kenvandine> tedg, it just took a LOT of patience :/
[01:56] <tedg> kenvandine: Heh, I'm glad that you found it.  What was it?
[01:57] <kenvandine> indicator_manager was initialized before the event_manager was
[01:57] <tedg> Ah, startup sucks :)
[01:57] <kenvandine> only happened on startup :)
[01:58] <kenvandine> yeah... so painful to find :/
[01:58] <tedg> BTW, why is Gwibber not in the alt+tab list?
[01:58] <kenvandine> ah... look at the preferences
[01:59] <kenvandine> humm
[01:59] <kenvandine> that isn't "hide taskbar entry"
[01:59] <kenvandine> dunno
[01:59] <kenvandine> it is in my alt-tab
[02:00]  * kenvandine thinks it is time for tedg to do some python debugging... after all my time C debugging this week :)
[02:02] <tedg> Hmm, playing with that fixed it... but not the first time I tried.
[02:03] <tedg> Anytime you write Python all you do is debug.  That is, until you have 100% code coverage, and then you can't change anything.
[02:04] <kenvandine> :)
[02:21] <jcastro> kenvandine: just got another empathy crash
[03:36] <TheMuso> c
 hmm running wubi from this iso. at the top it says 'You are about to install Ubuntu-9.10ubuntu1"
[03:59] <JanC> (from #ubuntu-release-party)
[04:46] <mac__v> mpt: could the libgnome change to not show icons be properly mentioned in the release notes? humanity is getting bugs about the panel menu... we've already got 3-4 bugs filed regarding that :(
[04:49] <lifeless> all dupes?
[04:53] <mac__v> lifeless: yeah , i'v duped them... but still thought it would be better to mention it in the release notes ;)
[05:29] <jcastro> robert_ancell: still awake and around?
[05:29] <robert_ancell> jcastro, yup
[05:30] <jcastro> robert_ancell: if you could help test the fix for bug 462828 that would really help out
[05:30] <kenvandine> hey guys
[05:30] <robert_ancell> jcastro, looking
[05:30] <jcastro> hi ken
[05:30] <jcastro> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies
[05:31] <jcastro> is the PPA with the updated packages
[05:36] <robert_ancell> jcastro, ok, anything in particular to test?
[05:36] <jcastro> robert_ancell: going through the steps in the first comment in the bug would help
[05:38] <robert_ancell> hmm, I don't have a ubuntu one menu item...
[05:38] <jcastro> robert_ancell: right now all the shipped clients are going to tell the user that there is a version mismatch
[05:38] <jcastro> so the idea is when they get this working and tested it'll be an immediate SRU
[05:39] <kenvandine> jcastro, mine is syncing
[05:39] <kenvandine> downloading a bunch of stuff from you :)
[05:39] <jcastro> ah, finally!
[05:40] <kenvandine> now it's uploading some test data
[05:52] <robert_ancell> jcastro, I'm not getting any syncing occurring
[05:52] <jcastro> :-/
[05:54] <robert_ancell> well the tooltip says "updating files..." but clicking on it shows a greyed menu with "your files are up to date"
[05:54] <robert_ancell> one.ubuntu.com doesn't show any files
[05:54] <jcastro> ok, let me see what's up
[05:59] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, tail -f ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[06:00] <robert_ancell> 2009-10-29 16:59:27,622 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: READING_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ; queues: metadata: 12; content: 11; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=1287 miss=68) ----
[06:00] <robert_ancell> not doing anything at the moment
[06:24] <robert_ancell> jcastro, I have to go - anything you want me to look at with U1?
[06:24] <jcastro> robert_ancell: no I think ken and I can manage for a bit
[06:24] <jcastro> thanks!
[06:24] <robert_ancell> jcastro, np
[07:03] <pitti> Good morning
[07:03] <al-maisan> Good morning pitti
[07:06] <kenvandine> morning pitti
[07:08] <pitti> hey kenvandine; still awake?
[07:08] <pitti> hey al-maisan, how are you?
[07:08] <kenvandine> yup
[07:09] <kenvandine> helping the u1 guys
[07:09] <kenvandine> with this ugly bug, hear about it yet?
[07:09] <pitti> "this" bug..
[07:09]  * pitti saw too many in the last days
[07:12] <kenvandine> u1 client bug
[07:13] <al-maisan> pitti: not too bad, thanks. How are things on your side?
[07:13] <pitti> al-maisan: bit tired, but pretty good; looking forward to getting karmic out of the door :)
[07:14] <al-maisan> pitti: :)
[07:26] <didrocks> hey pitti, kenvandine, al-maisan :)
[07:26] <al-maisan> hello didrocks :)
[07:30] <kenvandine> hey didrocks
[07:30] <kenvandine> pitti, bug 462828 FYI
[07:30] <kenvandine> that is what we are working on right now
[07:30] <kenvandine> so expect an SRU :)
[07:31] <kenvandine> pitti, also... not sure if this is SRU worthy but look at bug 451568
[07:31] <kenvandine> i proposed a patch that restores the toggling behavior with the empathy status icon, if you are not using the indicator
[07:31] <pitti> kenvandine: ^ I thought that was deliberate?
[07:31] <pitti> (not that many people like it, but still..)
[07:31] <kenvandine> it is... sort of
[07:32] <kenvandine> it is deliberate for the indicator
[07:32] <kenvandine> and we share the same code as the status icon
[07:32] <kenvandine> so this just makes it toggle if you set the preference to not use the indicator
[07:32] <kenvandine> simple change
[07:32] <kenvandine> ideally we want to separate the behavior, so the icon can behave differently than the indicator
[07:33] <kenvandine> but that was out of scope for karmic
[07:33] <kenvandine> would make seb128 happy though, to be able to use both at the same time :)
[07:33] <kenvandine> this should make people that aren't interested in the indicator happy
[07:34] <pitti> kenvandine: at this point of the release I'm fine with it if you think it's important and it has a trivial patch
[07:34] <kenvandine> it is really trivial
[07:35] <kenvandine> changes a 1 line patch into a 2 line patch :)
[07:35] <kenvandine> that branch also has the latest EmpathyChat leak fixes and i fixed a glib critical
[07:35] <kenvandine> debug logs are clean now :)
[07:36] <baptistemm> hello
[07:39] <pitti> hey didrocks, bonjour
[07:39]  * pitti waves to baptistemm
[07:39] <baptistemm> salut pitti
[07:40] <kenvandine> pitti, ok... debdiff for bug 462828
[07:40] <pitti> back in 20
[07:40] <baptistemm> I'm pleased to now working in a company where I can run linux and specially ubuntu as my OS
[07:54] <kenvandine> pitti, ok i tested the debdiff, lintian complains about an old line in the changelog but other looks good
[07:54] <kenvandine> pitti, can you handle getting it uploaded?
[07:54] <kenvandine> whenever that can be done
[07:55]  * kenvandine assigned the bug to pitti :)
[07:55] <kenvandine> i need to get some sleep, the kids are going to wake me up in 2 hours :(
[07:56] <pitti> kenvandine: yep, will do; sleep well!
[07:56] <kenvandine> thx
[08:03] <pitti> kenvandine: (answer later, low urgency): I think we should just include above empathy patch in the first upload; so I'll reject the current one from teh queue, you commit the new one to bzr, and I reupload?
[08:13] <pitti> I have a doctor appointment now, back in 2 hours
[08:28] <seb128> hello there
[08:30] <mvo> hey seb128
[08:30] <seb128> hey mvo
[08:30] <seb128> how are you?
[08:30] <mvo> good!
[08:31] <mvo> but the ppa machines just told me my test package will only get build in 13h
[08:31] <mvo> that makes me a bit unhappy
[08:31] <Hobbsee> mvo: that can be fixed, if required
[08:32] <mvo> Hobbsee: heh :) kdebindings is the one, that would be pretty sweet.
[08:33]  * Hobbsee looks
[08:34] <mvo> Hobbsee: its for a good course, verifiying the fix for bug #459471
[08:34] <seb128> mvo, looking to kde issues now, you traitor!
[08:35] <mvo> seb128: the kdm login is non-black ;)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> mvo: that's fine.  I'm just having extreme trouble navigating launchpad.  i'll get there
[08:35] <seb128> mvo, oh, and trolling now, wait for uds!
[08:35] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go
[08:36] <seb128> mvo, you can tweak gconf key to have better gdm too ;-)
[08:36] <mvo> seb128: :P
[08:36] <mvo> seb128: if only there was a application to set the background in gdm
[08:36] <seb128> start the day with a troll [checked]
[08:36]  * mvo gets himself into serious trouble
[08:36]  * seb128 goes to the next daily task, email reading
[08:37] <didrocks> hehe, so easy :)
[08:37] <seb128> mvo, I don't know what you are talking about
[08:37]  * mvo was kicked from #ubuntu-desktop (seb128)
[08:37] <didrocks> (good morning seb128 and mvo o/)
[08:37] <seb128> mvo, sudo -u gdm gnome-appearance-capplet? ;-)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mvo: there we go, they should build in a couple of minutes
[08:37] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:37] <mvo> many thanks Hobbsee
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mvo: you're welcome
[08:37]  * mvo sends some virtual flowers
[08:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:38] <mvo> hey didrocks
[08:38] <seb128> (hate hate spammers)
[08:39] <didrocks> 984 people connected on forum.ubuntu-fr.org \o/
[08:39]  * didrocks thinks we will have a new record today ;)
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, what is the current record?
[08:44] <didrocks> approx 1250 :)
[08:44] <asac> hi
[08:45] <asac> all going well ;)?
[08:45] <didrocks> hey asac
[08:45] <asac> hi didrocks
[08:45] <seb128> hey asac
[08:45] <seb128> yes, things same to be on track
[08:46] <seb128> seems rather
[08:46] <asac> moin moin seb128
[08:46] <asac> great
[08:46] <seb128> is lucid open yet or what? ;-)
[08:46] <asac> boring day ;) ... lets check #ubuntu-release-party ;)
[08:53] <didrocks> seb128: I know you are eager to upload 2.29.1 to lucid ;)
[08:53] <seb128> didrocks, no
[08:54] <seb128> I'm eager to start on reducing delta with debian ;-)
[08:54] <seb128> we will probably not start on 2.29 before uds
[08:54] <didrocks> yeah, merging time :-)
[08:58] <TheMuso> Not to mention infrastructure changes for accessibility, i.e at-spi over dbus. I want to get that in and working at least as much as possible, as early as possible.
[08:58] <TheMuso> So I'll be interested in the 2.29 goings on.
[09:01] <mac_v> seb128: hi... <offtopic question> how do you get the cloak for gimpnet? [gnome-hackers]
[09:01] <seb128> dunno what a cloak is
[09:02] <baptistemm> seb128, with a cloack nobody can see you ip
[09:02] <baptistemm> +your
[09:02] <seb128> baptistemm, still doesn't tell me what a cloack is
[09:03] <seb128> I just use xchat-gnome to connect to IRC
[09:03] <ikonia> seb128: join #freenode and ask
[09:03] <baptistemm> it is a service provided by IRC servers
[09:03] <mac_v> seb128: seems you dont use a cloak ;) > your are an ubuntu member , right so you can use the cloak > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks
[09:03] <seb128> ikonia, I don't care about it but thanks
[09:03] <ikonia> seb128: if you don't care - don't ask
[09:03] <seb128> ikonia, it's mac_v having questions
[09:03] <ikonia> ok
[09:04] <seb128> ikonia, I'm busy enough with other things and I've no interest in that
[09:04] <mac_v> ikonia: actually i asked , but freenode staff didnt know either :(
[09:04] <ikonia> seb128: ok
[09:04] <ikonia> mac_v: freenode staff do know what and how to get a cloak
[09:04] <seb128> mac_v, I don't know and I don't care ;-)
[09:04] <mac_v> ;p
[09:04] <mac_v> ikonia: dont how to get a cloak for gimpnet
[09:04] <ikonia> that's nothing to do with this channel or this network - ask on gumpnet
[09:04] <ikonia> gimpnet
[09:05] <mac_v> ikonia: i cant find the support channel for gimpnet :(...
[09:05] <ikonia> again - not this channel or this network's issue, check their website
[09:06] <mac_v> ikonia: yup , i know that ;) ... i was checking if seb128 had any info since he frequents gnome-hackers :)
[09:06] <ikonia> respect to anyone who's contributing to gnome
[09:07] <seb128> I do but I don't feel any need to use a cloack so I never asked
[09:07] <mac_v> seb128: you know ? how do i get it? :)
[09:07] <seb128> mac_v, I do frequent #gnome-hackers I meant
[09:08] <seb128> mac_v, I guess you can try #sysadmin on their IRC
[09:08] <mac_v> seb128: oh... ok..thanks anyway
[09:08] <huats> morning everyone
[09:09] <seb128> lut huats
[09:10] <huats> salut seb128
[09:12] <baptistemm> mac_v, gimpnet don't have any service like cloak or Nickserv
[09:12] <baptistemm> but if you can convince the sysadmin to setup them, nice :)
[09:14] <mac_v> baptistemm: oh... thats what i thought  :)   but recently i noticed that the few members where using a sort of cloak and thats got me thinking :D  , must be something from the IP services or something else then :)
[09:15] <mac_v> baptistemm: also i couldnt find a support channel for gimpnet :(   the admins are hiding somewhere ;p
[09:16] <seb128> mac_v, they are on #sysadmin as just said before
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hello everyone
[09:17] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:17] <mac_v> seb128: darn it! i was trying sys-admin :/
[09:17] <seb128> how are you on this karmic day? ;-)
[09:17] <mac_v> seb128:  thanks :)
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128. i'm not too bad thanks. how are you?
[09:18] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:34] <mvo> Ng: I remember you had issues with compiz and the "run terminal" keybinding in the past. is this fully working now in karmic?
[09:36] <asac> seb128: you have anything in queue for gtk+ SRU?
[09:36] <seb128> no
[09:36] <seb128> why?
[09:37] <asac> i am going to prepare removing the debugging output for bug 401823
[09:37] <asac> i got a user that said that .xsession-errors grow to 3GB in a few minutes
[09:37] <asac> ;)
[09:37] <asac> thats worse than what i thought
[09:37] <Ng> mvo: wow good memory. I haven't used it for some time, but a quick test suggests it doesn't work at all. I can't really spare any time today for anything deeper though
[09:37] <Ng> sorry
[09:37] <asac> seb128: ok so if you have anything i shoudl review and take for this gtk upload let me know ;)
[09:38] <seb128> asac, I will find something, would be a shame to update gtk only to drop a warning
[09:38] <mvo> Ng: sure, many thanks. I prepare a fix - I can image your are super-busy :)
[09:38] <asac> seb128: ok. ;)
[09:38] <asac> i will wait a bit then
[09:44] <seb128> asac, ok, there is nothing else that I can see we really need now so go for your change
[09:44] <seb128> I'm curious to know how that user trigger so many warnings though
[09:47] <asac> seb128: seems to just happen for some cases
[09:47] <asac> especially when using flash in firefox
[09:47] <asac> not easy to reproduce such a flush
[09:48] <asac> of error msgs
[09:50] <rickspencer3> quit
[09:50] <rickspencer3> ...
[09:50] <rickspencer3> tooo quiet
[09:51] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, asac good morning
[09:54] <mpt> mac_v, I thought it already was in the release notes
[09:55] <mpt> (wiki.ubuntu.com is temporarily unavailable? ... first time I've ever seen that)
[09:56] <davmor2> mpt: they'll be preping for release
[10:09] <asac> hi rick
[10:09] <asac> hmm rick<tab>
[10:09] <seb128> same here
[10:10] <seb128> asac, will you have a look to the gnome-bluetooth updates to see if that's worth sru-ing?
[10:10] <seb128> we tend to sru some GNOME bug fixes updates usually
[10:10] <seb128> ie just sponsored totem's one from robert_ancell
[10:12] <seb128> be back in a bit I need to go you to get some food for lunch
[10:13] <mpt> mac_v, <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/HumanReleaseNotesv2#Simpler%20menus%20and%20buttons>
[10:26] <mac_v> mpt: ah ha... ;) the gnome-menu is not mentioned ... so users think that the humanity theme is incomplete and lacks those icons hence the icon is not displayed :(
[10:27]  * mac_v hopes that might convince mpt to consider the icons back for all gnome-menu ;p
[10:31] <mpt> mac_v, why should we special-case gnome-menu?
[10:32] <mac_v> mpt: the only reason is the all or none rule... either we remove all icon from that menu or keep icons for all... since if *some* are missing it looks like a bug , just like the context menus which only had icons for some items ...
[10:32] <mpt> mac_v, all or none is not a rule
[10:33] <mac_v> not a rule per-se but just looks odd!
[10:33] <mpt> mac_v, and even if it was, none of the items in the System menu have icons
[10:33] <mac_v> mpt: what about the places menu?
[10:34] <mac_v> mpt: the system menu is part of the gnome-menu , so it seems broken
[10:35] <mac_v> mpt: its like removing the icons from only the  help menu while having icons in the file, edit, view
[10:35] <mpt> mac_v, what about the Places menu?
[10:36] <mpt> mac_v, I'm sorry, I don't know exactly what you mean by "the gnome-menu"
[10:36] <mac_v> gnome-menu== main menu
[10:36] <mpt> mac_v, the one that's not used by default?
[10:36] <mpt> The one that starts with "Accessories" and ends with "System"?
[10:37] <mac_v> mpt: i was meaning the one used by default , yeah the accessories, places, system menu
[10:37] <mpt> mac_v, Firefox similarly has icons in its History and Bookmarks menus but not in its other menus. Equal use of icons *across* menus is not a goal.
[10:39] <mac_v> mpt: the firefox issue is due the recent change ;) ... the bug was filed that the bookmarks were objects
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> but the menu items with icons in Firefox are grouped together aren't they, and not just scattered about like the Places menu?
[10:39] <mac_v> mpt: the places menu doesnt have icons for the "connect to server"  , "search files" and "recent documents"... only the 3 dont have icons
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> the current places menu is absolutely hideous
[10:42] <mpt> mac_v, yes, I was giving Firefox as an example of doing it right.
[10:44] <mac_v> mpt: IMO, its not right... just consider a user moving from one menu to the next , when the menu behaves as a single unit [user can click on file and move down the rest without having to click again , or click accessories and change view to system]  , the menu must be treated as the same , now one drop down shows icon while the next doesnt , this is odd .. not a good design... :/
[10:44] <asac> seb128: yes. i have to rebase the patches we have to see what is left and if we need the SRU
[10:44] <seb128> asac, ok
[10:44] <asac> seb128: i am on vac starting tomorrow ... so will try to do that tonight
[10:44] <seb128> asac, no hurry that can wait
[10:44] <asac> but last i looked the fixes didnt seem too differetn/important
[10:45] <asac> we are pretty good set i think
[10:45] <seb128> asac, how much vac do you take?
[10:45] <asac> one week
[10:45] <asac> basically 6 days ;)
[10:45] <seb128> ok, enjoy the well deserved break there!
[10:45] <asac> work days
[10:45] <asac> yeah ... i certainly will - need a battery recharge ;)
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> does anyone know what happens if you can g_source_remove when there are events pending for that particular source? do the events still get dispatched after removing the source, or are they removed from the main loop?
[10:45] <seb128> I still have some 11 days to take but I take friday and will do a real end of year break
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: they get cacnelled
[10:46] <asac> well ... i am not sure what happens if you remove from a different thread
[10:46] <asac> but if you remove them in the main thread, they wont get run anymore for sure
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks. do you know if that behaviour has changed since hardy?
[10:46] <mpt> mac_v, you're using "the menu" to mean "three separate menus". That's misleading.
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: shouldnt have changed ... unless it was/is buggy in some way
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> asac, thanks! my issue must be related to something else:(
[10:47] <mac_v> mpt: that is because the whole row behaves as a single unit ... either the menu must open only when that menu item is clicked[clicking the file opens only file and clicking history should open only history] or all need to behave/display similarly , whether having icons or not.
[10:47] <mpt> mac_v, whether a menu item should have an icon depends on the item, not on what menu it's in. If a menu interleaves items that do and don't have icons, that's a sign that either (a) the wrong items have icons or (b) the menu should be rearranged.
[10:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: whats the problem?
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm working on a pidgin SRU for hardy, to make it work with Yahoo again. i'm getting a crasher with the changes though, which seemed to be caused by an event being dispatched, after the source was removed from the main loop and some data free'd
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> i can't tell you much more yet though, as i'm at work ;)
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> and the patch is on my desktop at home :(
[10:50] <mpt> mac_v, Nautilus's "File" > "Open With" submenu uses icons for most of its items. Do you think that means all the items in the "File" menu should have icons too?
[10:50] <mac_v> mpt: need to behave separately as in>  the notification area applets do not show the drop down menu of the applet beside them , so they behave independently
[10:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: usualyl those crashes happen when the callback target is finalized, but the source not properly removed
[10:51] <asac> how sure are you that the source is properly removed?
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm not 100% sure yet. i ran out of time debugging it last night
[10:51] <mac_v> mpt: what you mention here is sane >  http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2006-February/msg00000.html   "I think icons should either be used for every item in a section (between the end of a menu and a separator, or between two menu separators), or for none of them, because anything else looks messy."
[10:51] <chrisccoulson> but i'll carry on with it again later
[10:52] <mpt> mac_v, yes, but there by "menu" I meant "menu", not "three separate menus".
[10:53] <mac_v> mpt: they dont behave separate :( .. they act just like a submenu system of the menubar
[10:53] <asac> ok
[10:53] <mpt> mac_v, then that brings us back to my question about Nautilus's File menu.
[10:54] <mac_v> mpt: the file menu needs to arranged properly , where the icon options and the icon-less options
[10:54] <mac_v> are separated by the separator
[10:55] <mpt> So maybe "Connect to Server..." and the separator above it should swap places.
[10:55] <mpt> Separator below it, rather.
[10:56] <mpt> Or maybe "Network" and the separator above it should swap places.
[10:56] <mac_v> mpt: might be saner , by still i dont see why the recent documents is not an object ;)
[10:56] <mpt> mac_v, it would be if it was an actual folder you can open. (IIRC it was a real folder containing shortcuts in classic Mac OS, for example.)
[11:00] <mac_v> mpt: IMO , the logic that only objects can use the icons is flawed :( ... icons need to be used for items which can be recognized ... for , "search for files" a magnifying glass is a good representative  and can be a quick indication of what the item does
[11:04] <mac_v> mpt:  while we use icon for accessories and so on ...which are very ambiguous , what does a ruler and scissors , really convey ?  :/  not sure why the search doesnt need an icon
[11:06] <mac_v> programming = spade :/ , , does it mean anything if the user hasnt seen the icon along with the text !
[11:06] <mpt> mac_v, "Search for Files..." is a borderline case. It is a standalone application, but people may not recognize (and probably should not need to know) that it is.
[11:11] <mac_v> mpt: what does it being a standalone application really have to do with it having an icon? i meant it can be recognized easier , not that since it was a standalone app...   but anyways... the objects only have icons is not a good solution  :)  ambiguous objects end up having icons rather than the meaningful icons... which will end up making the icon removal even bad :(   the criterion needs to be rather are these useful indicators [i know its a
[11:11] <mac_v>  bit ambiguous]
[11:12] <mac_v> but anyways... ;)
[11:12] <mpt> mac_v, the trouble there is that developers would have no idea when to stop, and we'd be right back where we were.
[11:13] <seb128> ie having a nice looking desktop? ;-)
[11:13] <mpt> haw haw
[11:13] <seb128> users seems really unhappy with the current system menu lack if icons
[11:13] <mpt> Users are always unhappy.
[11:14] <mpt> That's their job.
[11:14] <mac_v> not really ;p
[11:14] <fredp> mvo: hi!  packagekit-gnome is proposed for gnome, and we (release team) meet on sunday to discuss new modules, seb128 told me you were the one who'd know best the ubuntu/.deb situation.
[11:14] <seb128> not true
[11:14] <seb128> there is lot of cases where some users complain or people don't like change
[11:14] <seb128> but the system menu change is perceived as a bug by a lot of users
[11:14] <seb128> including technical people who know about the icon change
[11:14] <andreasn> it seems like the happy people are always silent
[11:14] <mac_v> +1
[11:15] <seb128> andreasn, not really true either, on lot of bugs you have people from both side arguing
[11:15] <asac> what icon change is that?
[11:15] <seb128> I've not seen any user argue in favor of this one
[11:15] <seb128> asac, don't display icons in menus by default
[11:15] <seb128> and on buttons
[11:15] <mac_v> asac: the system menu lacking icons while the places and accessories have icon
[11:16] <asac> oh ... yeah
[11:16] <asac> firefox still has icons ;)
[11:16] <seb128> that's like the 2 slot logic from notify-osd
[11:16] <seb128> dunno what is the design rational but users just don't get it
[11:16] <asac> for 2 slot? ... i agree. i would rather like to see the normal notifications slide down getting replaced by the synchronous ones
[11:16] <asac> with a cool animation ;)
[11:16] <seb128> I've to admit it just weird looking and not obvious why it's done this way and looks buggy
[11:17] <asac> yes
[11:17] <asac> i think the "normal" notifiations - which are more frequent - at least should get the top spot
[11:17] <asac> e.g. flip it
[11:17] <seb128> especially if you don't use synchronous bubbles
[11:17] <asac> or do the sliding/anmination i described
[11:17] <seb128> ie desktop configs where people don't change volume with the keyboard
[11:17] <asac> yep
[11:17] <asac> thats what i say
[11:17] <seb128> +1
[11:17] <asac> synch are less frequent for sure
[11:18] <asac> and should get the lower space if we cannot animate and want fixed position
[11:18] <seb128> seems there is a real popular ppa undoing that change
[11:18] <seb128> shame that it leads to have lot of users using a non official version
[11:19] <mac_v> andreasn: mpt: i would agree that some icons are nonsensical , but having the icons for objects alone is bad .. ;)  would a new user even know what the firefox icon is? but wouldnt the same user recognize the arrow icons? the better thing to do is arrange the menu properly
[11:19]  * mac_v hiles
[11:19] <seb128> I still hate the system menu not having icons too
[11:19] <seb128> much easier to spot the reboot action from an icon than parsing labels
[11:19]  * mac_v rather hides
[11:20] <seb128> system menu -> session menu
[11:20] <andreasn> mpt: do you know any good articles/books on personality of applications? (if you get what I mean)
[11:20] <seb128> or whatever the corner menu is called
[11:20] <mac_v>  +1 to seb128
[11:21] <mpt> andreasn, not really. About Face has a discussion of "software posture"; is that what you mean?
[11:21] <seb128> I think that part of the issue is that designers don't get the user feedback or they always think people will be complaining and don't reconsider their changes
[11:22] <andreasn> mpt: maybe, I was thinking in what kind of tone a app speaks etc. Just curious about the subject
[11:22] <andreasn> mpt: I'll check out about face again
[11:24] <mpt> andreasn, e.g. http://bradt.ca/archives/firefox-error-message-well-this-is-embarrassing/
[11:25] <andreasn> mpt: yes! exactly, stuff like that!
[11:25] <mac_v> asac: yeah whats with that ^ ?
[11:26] <mpt> andreasn, the Windows and Apple interface guidelines both have sections on software tone. IIRC the Windows ones make a point of Vista onwards being a bit friendlier than earlier versions.
[11:28] <andreasn> ah, I'll check that out.
[11:36] <mvo> fredp: hello - right now packagekit-gnome does not support debconf questions. this is why we do not ship it by default and use a altnertive mechanism (aptdaemon). however this is now changing, so chances are good that for the next release debconf will be supported
[11:37] <mvo> fredp: but without it, thats a showstoppper for us, it means that some (debian policy) confirm debs simply can not get installed
[11:38] <fredp> mvo: seb128 told me aptdaemon may be providing the same dbus interface, is it correct?
[11:38] <mvo> fredp: aha, I see that you have found the right peope in packagekit already :)
[11:39] <fredp> mvo: hughsie told me dantti was working on this, right :)
[11:39] <mvo> fredp: its not the same, the aptdaemon one uses a different approach (a simpler one). I have not looked in detail yet into the way PK wants to do it, I was too busy (and it only happend very recently)
[11:41] <seb128> mvo, there was no plan to have common dbus methods there to ie install something?
[11:42] <mvo> seb128: I certainly hope so
[11:42] <seb128> what desktop applications want to do usually is to install a deb
[11:42] <seb128> I was suggesting that GNOME should maybe agree on standard dbus apis and let distro decide on the backend
[11:42] <mvo> the good news is that it has become a technical problem now, in the past it was a policy decision (or precived as one) to not have questions during package install
[11:42] <mvo> oh, that is what you mean
[11:42] <seb128> GNOME applications should only need the client side
[11:42] <mvo> well, that would make sense
[11:43] <fredp> it would sure be easy to approve pacakgekit-gnome, if we know it will work on ubuntu, talking to aptdaemon
[11:44] <seb128> what is packagekit-gnome doing exactly?
[11:44] <fredp> anyway with both this option and the current work on packagekit, things are looking good.
[11:44] <seb128> what GNOME needs imho is a set of apis apps can use to install something
[11:44] <seb128> not a package management tool or a backend
[11:44] <mvo> seb128++
[11:45] <seb128> those are distro issues rather
[11:45] <fredp> seb128: I should check what's proposed exactly; mostly I believe it's proposed so that apps can request new pacakges
[11:45] <fredp> (for example file-roller can now request for the installation of unzip/etc.)
[11:45] <seb128> I think it would make sense to accept the client side
[11:45] <seb128> ie common client api to do installs
[11:45] <seb128> then distro will sort what replies to those calls
[11:46] <seb128> I would not accept a package management tool in GNOME though
[11:46] <seb128> especially if it's working correctly on rpm only
[11:47] <fredp> I'll talk with hughsie to know exactly what is proposed
[11:47] <seb128> thanks
[11:47] <fredp> iirc there are many things in packagekit-gnome, replacements for update-notifier, 'add/remove applications', etc.
[11:48] <fredp> and those things are already handled fine in ubuntu
[11:58] <seb128> fredp, right and those should not really go to GNOME since they are distribution specific tools
[12:00] <asac> ... consider to join #ubuntu-release-party so we reach 1000 ;) ... we are at 992
[12:08] <pitti> asac: Madness!!
[12:08] <pitti> asac: I see 957
[12:30] <kenvandine> pitti, sure
[12:31] <pitti> kenvandine: that was a really short night..
[12:31] <kenvandine> yeah... i have 3 kids :)
[12:31] <kenvandine> they are up at 6am no matter what time i go to bed
[12:31] <kenvandine> so 2 hours will have to do :)
[12:40] <seb128> asac, 1000 was easy you need an another challenge now
[12:41] <seb128> ;-)
[12:57] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[12:57] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandine
[12:57] <rickspencer3> what's the word on the street?
[12:57] <kenvandine> the u1 bug is fixed
[12:57] <kenvandine> :)
[12:57] <rickspencer3> sweeeet
[12:58]  * rickspencer3 is sitting across from silbs, atm :)
[12:58] <kenvandine> verified it myself :)
[12:58] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[12:58] <kenvandine> np
[12:58] <kenvandine> i also reproduced another bug they found in the process, and verified the fix
[12:58] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, good job this release
[12:59] <kenvandine> fixing this also uncovered 2 other bugs
[12:59] <kenvandine> not nearly as severe
[12:59] <kenvandine> u1 is happily syncing my life now :)
[12:59] <kenvandine> 2 physical computers and a VM all in sync :-p
[13:02] <kenvandine> pitti, pushed lp:~ubuntu-desktop/empathy/ubuntu
[13:04]  * \sh hugs pitti and all others from canonical/ubuntu team 30 desktops already on ubuntu karmic, now I have to deal with 70 jaunty servers still...but this is again a nightshift :)
[13:04] <kenvandine> \sh, cool!
[13:04] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i am very impressed with how great the ubuntuone team handled that bug
[13:05] <kenvandine> very quickly identified it and got it under control
[13:05] <\sh> oh and btw...ubuntu jaunty on hp blade servers == charming much better then windows 2003/2008 + hpiloagent rebooting the thing every 2 days
[13:06] <kenvandine> and they had the client fixed and tested in under 12 hours from initial report
[13:06] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, we <3 U1 team :)
[13:07] <kenvandine> :)
[13:07] <kenvandine> they rock!
[13:07] <didrocks> seb128: 1200 person on http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/ :)
[13:07] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[13:07] <didrocks> hi kenvandine ;)
[13:07] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[13:08] <rickspencer3> didrocks, congrats on a great release
[13:08] <james_w> 'lut didrocks
[13:08] <seb128> didrocks, waouh ;-)
[13:08] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[13:08] <james_w> we <3 didrocks too :-)
[13:08] <didrocks> rickspencer3: congrats too ;)
[13:08]  * didrocks hugs james_w 
[13:08] <rickspencer3> you really rocked karmic
[13:08] <\sh> is it possible to have telepathy do syncs to xmpp+u1 users, as replacement for xmpp bytestream proxy? or is this just a crazy idea?
[13:08] <seb128> rickspencer3, congrats on karmic and leading desktop troups to success ;-)
[13:08] <rickspencer3> seb128, :)
[13:08]  * rickspencer3 wipes tear from eye
[13:09]  * seb128 hugs rickspencer3
[13:09] <seb128> rickspencer3, how is London? do you have parties every night? ;-)
[13:10] <rickspencer3> seb128, hardly
[13:10] <rickspencer3> working very hard, but almost done
[13:10] <seb128> today at least ?
[13:10] <pitti> \sh: yay
[13:10] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[13:10] <rickspencer3> party is starting in kitchen, but I'm in a meeting with sabdfl ;)
[13:10] <seb128> oh ok, good luck then ;-)
[13:10] <rickspencer3> hi pitti ... thanks for your efforts last night/this morning
[13:10] <pitti> my pleasure
[13:10] <\sh> pitti, would be a nice feature  when you are behind a proxy which doesn't let bytestream proxy through ;)
[13:10] <pitti> kenvandine: empathy> thanks, will re-upload
[13:11] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[13:11] <\sh> pitti, and it could be a nice idea for viral marketing of u1 ;)
[13:12] <rickspencer3> bryce__, sabdfl extends kudos to you Amaranth rest of desktop team for Karmic X
[13:16] <pitti> kenvandine: BTW, fixing changelog (merging into the previous one which just got rejected); and fixing version number (-0ubuntu1, not -1ubuntu1)
[13:16] <seb128> heh
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, reject my empathy upload?
[13:16] <kenvandine> eww
[13:16] <kenvandine> sorry
[13:16] <kenvandine> seb128, i updated that leak patch and added a fix for toggling from the status icon
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: yes, we want to do bug 451568 in the same upload, and kenvandine added some more fixes
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, ah ok
[13:17] <kenvandine> the togling only works though if you uncheck use indicators
[13:17] <pitti> seb128: faster that way
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, pitti: thanks
[13:17] <kenvandine> seb128, still can't use both :)
[13:17] <seb128> I usually do a new revision and dch -v the previous one
[13:17] <kenvandine> that would require a fair bit of work
[13:17] <kenvandine> but this was a one liner
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, that's good enough
[13:17] <seb128> I don't think people want to use both
[13:17] <kenvandine> seb128, i thought you did?
[13:17] <seb128> I just want to use the notification area icon
[13:18] <seb128> I don't see the point of the indicator
[13:18] <seb128> it's slower and make you not notice messages
[13:19] <kenvandine> seb128, out of curiosity, do you use evolution for mail?
[13:19] <rickspencer3> *cough*
[13:19] <seb128> yes
[13:19] <kenvandine> so i have empathy, evolution, gwibber, and xchat-gnome in the indicator
[13:19] <seb128> but I do send&receive manually when I want to read emails
[13:19] <kenvandine> it is the place i keep an eye on for messaging stuff
[13:19] <kenvandine> it is my go-to place...
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - does xchat-gnome have indicator support?
[13:20] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, sort of :)
[13:20] <seb128> and the indicator monitors only inbox anyway
[13:20] <seb128> and I put everything in imap folders
[13:20] <seb128> so it's always count 0
[13:20] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, not packaged anywhere and doesn't work well
[13:20] <kenvandine> seb128, ah... true
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i thought so.
[13:20] <pitti> uscan could not find the needed tarball.
[13:20] <kenvandine> i wish i could add mailboxes to monitor
[13:20] <pitti> seb128: ^ where did you get the empathy orig.tar.gz from?
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, http://download.gnome.org/sources/empathy/2.28/empathy-2.28.1.1.tar.gz
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - are you planning to progress that? (i was thinking about adding indicator support a few days ago, but wasn't sure if anyone else was working on it)
[13:21] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i will fix it up
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: oh, watch has http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/empathy/([0-9.]+)/empathy-(.*).tar.gz
[13:21] <kenvandine> smerp wrote it originally
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, it's equivalent
[13:21] <kenvandine> but it doesn't do much more than toggle
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - cool!
[13:21] <pitti> weird
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/empathy/2.28/empathy-2.28.1.1.tar.gz
[13:22] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i fixed it up to be a little more useful but never figured out how to make xchat-gnome change which channel/pm is displayed
[13:22] <pitti> seb128: hm, uscan fail then; anyway, thanks
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, you're welcome
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - i'm not sure either. i've not had a look at the xchat-gnome source in any great detail yet
[13:22] <seb128> I tend to not let bzr-buildpackage download things since most GNOME packages are buggy and download the tarball twice
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> so i need to think of something else to work on in lucid:)
[13:23] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, plugins are pretty simple... but i don't see a function for changing the views
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine, I might start using the indicator if xchat-gnome put things there
[13:23] <kenvandine> seb128, well maybe i should finish it :)
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine, it just doesn't fit my im and email workflows
[13:23] <seb128> I want to know about im messages not to queue those
[13:23] <seb128> and I do decide when I read email based on when I'm not doing something
[13:24] <seb128> not based on when things arrive
[13:24] <seb128> I've always unread emails coming anyway
[13:24] <seb128> would it only be spams
[13:24] <seb128> so the indicator is useful for those
[13:24] <pitti> yeah; trying email into a synchronous medium is just madness
[13:24] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll clean it up
[13:25] <kenvandine> i might just need to include more headers from the frontend stuff to actually use the widgets directly
[13:25] <kenvandine> i can change channels that way
[13:25] <kenvandine> but seems like something they should include in the plugin api
[13:47] <seb128> bah
[13:48] <seb128> f-spot doesn't start in the guest session
[13:48]  * seb128 boots a kvm iso for testing
[14:31] <huats> does anyone has seen repports about  automount of usbsticks/hd that dont' automount after a jaunty -> karmic upgrade ?
[14:40] <seb128> huats, do you have gnome-volume-manager installed?
[14:40] <seb128> hum, new wave theme makes f-spot crash
[14:40] <seb128> who is maintaining those themes, seems nobody look at the bug list on launchpad
[14:41] <huats> seb128, nope
[14:41] <seb128> huats, ok good, use ubuntu-bug it has magic to debug those
[14:42] <seb128> just "ubuntu-bug", select debug removable media issues
[14:42]  * asac gone for some errands. will be back later (~2h)
[14:46] <huats> seb128, done
[14:46] <seb128> huats, bug number?
[14:47] <huats> seb128,  bug 463347
[14:47] <seb128> is nautilus running?
[14:47] <huats> it is
[14:48] <seb128> and the usb key is neither listed in nautilus computer, sidebar not places menu now?
[14:49] <huats> seb128, nope
[14:50] <seb128> is it listed in gnome-disk-utility?
[14:50] <seb128> I think the apport bug filing magic is wrong there
[14:50] <seb128> it's a bug with the key not with gvfs
[14:51] <seb128> it has no type nor version
[14:51] <huats> seb128,  it was working great with jaunty (with the same key)
[14:51] <seb128> ie seems your partition is not formated or something
[14:51] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34601723/DKDisksMonitorLog.txt
[14:51] <seb128> empty type version
[14:51] <huats> I have tested with 3 differents stuffs
[14:52] <huats> (keys or HD I mean)
[14:52] <huats> I can send the debug infos with another one...
[14:52] <seb128> pitti, ^ any clue?
[14:52] <seb128> or chrisccoulson might know too
[14:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you read about usb mounting not working for some users?
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've not noticed that
[14:54] <seb128> ok
[14:54] <seb128> huats, dunno what is going on on your system then
[14:54] <huats> :(
[14:55] <huats> that is quite weird
[14:55] <seb128> is the key listed in usb-screator?
[14:56] <seb128> or gnome-disk-utility?
[14:56] <huats> seb128, I don't have gnome-disk-utility
[14:56] <huats> but it is listed in gparted
[14:57] <huats> not seen in usb-creator
[14:57] <huats> I am installing gnome-disk-utiliy
[14:57] <seb128> ok
[14:58] <huats> seb128, when you say gnome-disk-utility what binar do you mean ?
[14:58] <huats> since I do have the package installed
[14:58] <seb128> system, admin, disk utility
[14:59] <huats> ok
[14:59] <huats> seb128, it is seen
[14:59] <seb128> and you can mount it using mount?
[14:59] <huats> (the binary is named Palimpsest)
[15:00] <seb128> it is listed in fstab too?
[15:00] <huats> fstab ? not
[15:00] <huats> nor the mtab
[15:00] <huats> I can mount it using mount
[15:00] <seb128> and mount /dev/sdb1 /media/something?
[15:00] <seb128> ok
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> does it show a valid filesystem type in palimpsest?
[15:01] <seb128> so I don't know why it's not working
[15:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, bug #463347
[15:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the devicekit-disks log has no type nor version
[15:01] <seb128> like there was no fs known
[15:01] <seb128> which is weird
[15:01] <huats> there is a fs since I have data on it that I can access :)
[15:01] <huats> (using mount)
[15:03] <huats> chrisccoulson, actually palimptest do not detect the fs type I think
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> dk-disks gets the fs type from the ID_FS_TYPE attribute for the device
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> so if that is missing, then it's an issue with whatever detects the filesystem type
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> and i can't remember what does that ;)
[15:05] <huats> :)
[15:09] <mvo_> seb128: should I take #464428 or are you on it already?
[15:09] <mvo_> bug  #464428
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> indeed, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34601725/UdevMonitorLog.txt shows that attribute is missing
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> huats^^
[15:10] <mvo_> bug 463328
[15:10] <huats> chrisccoulson, so what can I do to help ?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> not sure yet, i'm trying to figure that out:)
[15:10] <huats> :)
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> but i'm at work and i have to keep hiding pidgin when my boss walks nearby;)
[15:10] <huats> chrisccoulson, sure
[15:11] <huats> don't take any risks :)
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> huats - it's a slow day today anyway;)
[15:14] <huats> :)
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> well, it is for me anyway!
[15:14] <pitti> huats: did you file a bug about it? (sorry, I was buried reading bugs)
[15:14] <pitti> huats: oh, 463347, nevermind
[15:15] <pitti> huats: I'll follow up in the bug, let's keep the discussion there
[15:15] <huats> pitti, sure !
[15:15] <huats> thanks guys !
[15:15] <pitti> but first, congrats everyone for karmic!!
[15:15]  * pitti celebrates
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> i just saw the announcement \o/
[15:15] <pitti> #u-r-p is pure madness
[15:16]  * pitti goes to process SRUs
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> i need to leave work and party!
[15:26] <seb128> mvo_, you can look at it thanks
[15:26] <Laney> seb128: how do you want to do/version this SRU?
[15:26] <Laney> can't sync for it, right?
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - i'm going to prepare a gnome-desktop SRU later
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> do we want to SRU the gsd-locate-pointer issue we discussed yesterday?
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, no we can't
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, we can fake sync with karmic-proposed target
[15:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks for gnome-desktop, not sure about g-s-d
[15:28] <pedro_> folks, just ping me if you need anything to be verified quickly on the SRU side
[15:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems something we can maybe combine with other pending changes if there is any
[15:28] <pedro_> i'll be taking a look into those anyways
[15:28] <seb128> pedro_, thanks!
[15:28] <seb128> pitti, congrats to you too ;-)
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no worries, i'll work on the gnome-desktop update later
[15:28] <pedro_> seb128, my pleasure ;-)
[15:28] <pedro_> and congrats for a rocking release guys!
[15:29] <pedro_> so much nice comments on twitter/identi.ca/etc
[15:29] <seb128> pitti and chrisccoulson: you guys did rocking work with new devicekits etc changes in karmic btw thanks again
[15:29] <pitti> \o/
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> :)
[15:29]  * Laney is seeding like crazy
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128 / pitti - thanks for sponsoring all my work too:)
[15:30] <hggdh> seb128: the dbus errors in evolution seem to be caused by glib2/gconf calls, not directly by evo. It may be due to evo being heavily threaded
[15:30] <hggdh> mcrha has told me he has just seen similar bug reports in fedora
[15:31] <seb128> hggdh, how did you figure that? all those all duplicates?
[15:31] <seb128> ok
[15:31] <hggdh> seb128: most of the calls involving dbus were driven from glib/gconf calls
[15:31] <seb128> hggdh, read the upstream chan discussion now
[15:32] <hggdh> I am not sure how I can classify them all as dups (code path changes radically, sometimes), but this *may* need some serialisation in evo
[15:33] <pedro_> mm so they might be all dups of a bug i've sent a few weeks ago there
[15:33]  * pedro_ looks
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, do you know who is responsive for gnome-themes-ubuntu?
[15:34]  * hggdh has just been preempted asking for the bug# by migthy pedro_
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: ubuntu artwork team, by and large (hi kwwii!)
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, do you know who is responsive for gnome-themes-ubuntu, seems nobody is very active on launchpad bugs there?
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, new wave makes f-spot crash on start
[15:35] <pedro_> hggdh, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593017
[15:35] <seb128> pitti, speaking about f-spot it doesn't start in the guest session either, is there a way to desactivate the apparmor profile there to see if that's the issue?
[15:35] <dobey> james_w: hey. around?
[15:35] <james_w> dobey: yes
[15:36] <hggdh> pedro_: thank you
[15:36] <pedro_> hggdh, that's the gconf-over-dbus according to mbarnes
[15:36] <pedro_> hggdh, you're welcome
[15:36] <hggdh> yeah. This is going to be bad for us :-(
[15:37] <seb128> it's going to be an issue for any distro
[15:37] <dobey> james_w: hey. i understand that the source package branches stuff has a few different ways it works. is there any documentation on those differences?
[15:37] <james_w> dobey: /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/
[15:37] <pedro_> we just got the bug first...
[15:37] <dobey> james_w: thanks
[15:37] <james_w> dobey: file:///usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/user_manual even
[15:37] <hggdh> it is indeed, but we tend to be at the bleeding edge
[15:38] <seb128> well we just ship 2.28 there
[15:38] <seb128> not e-d-s over dbus yet which is 2.29
[15:39] <seb128> in any case I wonder if that creates real user issues
[15:39] <hggdh> yes. But gconf now uses dbus
[15:39] <seb128> out of apport triggering
[15:39] <seb128> gconf uses dbus for years
[15:40] <hggdh> then something radically changed in evo 2.28
[15:40] <seb128> I think something changed in evo yes
[15:40] <seb128> gconf didn't change a lot recently
[15:40] <seb128> the dbus version is there since hardy
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> in ubuntu karmic, networkmanager seems to be having problem with policykit
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> or something each time i have to connect i need to enter my password so that Nm can access the keyring for that
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> connection's password
[15:43] <tgpraveen1> and many times the dialog asking for password itself doesnt appear and thats why Nm is not able to make a successful connection and i dont get any indication of error also
[15:45] <cassidy> hey guys; congrats for the release!
[15:45] <seb128> hey cassidy, thanks
[15:45] <seb128> cassidy, empathy 2.28.1.1 accepted as candidate update with libindicator issue fixed btw
[15:45] <seb128> should make everybody happy
[15:46] <tgpraveen1> great work everybody. superb release . thanks a lot!
[15:46] <seb128> thanks
[15:46] <seb128> tgpraveen1, your password issue is on ubuntu or unr?
[15:47] <hggdh> hum. I will have another look at the threadStackTraces for e-d-s again.
[15:47]  * hggdh got an idea (probably wrong, but what the hell)
[15:47] <cassidy> seb128, \o/
[15:48] <tgpraveen1> ubuntu
[15:48] <seb128> ok, asac might know then
[15:48] <seb128> I've seen a similar bug about unr but none on ubuntu
[15:49] <Laney> seb128: bug 463404
[15:49] <tgpraveen1> k. have pinged him about it on #nm. and btw many times the problems of policykit and networkmanager appear while setting up a new connection. ie the connection is setup and then it cant connect as it doesnt get access to keyring or something but it never asks me for entering password itself.
[15:50] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:50] <tgpraveen1> btw is it supposed to ask for system passsword at all coz it didnt  in jaunty?
[15:50] <Laney> np
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: yes, use sudo aa-complain gdm-guest-session
[15:50] <seb128> I got none of my machines asking for system password there
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: you can also check dmesg and see if you have violations there
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, [13729.983870] type=1503 audit(1256823893.303:72): operation="file_mmap" pid=4115 parent=4077 profile="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" requested_mask="mrw::" denied_mask="m::" fsuid=102 ouid=102 name="/dev/shm/mono.4115"
[15:51] <hggdh> hey pedro_, I see you now have bugsquad-assignement powers at b.g.o! Cool!
[15:51] <pitti> oh
[15:51] <pedro_> hggdh, yeah just 10 dollars
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, there is lot of complains in fact in a guest session
[15:51] <pitti> seb128: that makes sense
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, /etc/compizconfig/config too
[15:52] <pedro_> hggdh, oh going to UDS this time?
[15:52] <hggdh> pedro_: if they are American dollars, it was really cheap ;-)
[15:52] <pedro_> hggdh, you're a local right?
[15:52] <pitti> seb128: it wants to mmap those? hm
[15:52] <hggdh> pedro_: yes, I will be there, and yes, I am a local
[15:52] <pedro_> hggdh, *awesome*
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, it's using sqlite, not sure if that makes a difference there
[15:52] <pitti> seb128: ah, that would mmap, yes
[15:53] <pitti> seb128: can you please open a bug and assign to me? should be trivial to fix, I'll prepare an SRU
[15:53] <pitti> but not today any more
[15:53] <pitti> I'll meet with my wife at the fair, time for a quiet evening
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, no hurry, will do, thanks
[15:53] <pitti> seb128: and then, off you go as well :)
[15:53] <seb128> right, swimming pool tonight and then non computer evening
[15:53] <seb128> and 3 days weekend
[15:53] <pitti> ah, enjoy
[15:53] <seb128> I'm taking a vac day tomorrow again
[15:53] <seb128> thanks
[15:54] <pitti> I'll do a quiet day tomorrow, working on some pet projects
[15:54] <james_w> seb128: enjoy, you deserve it
[15:54] <seb128> james_w, thanks ;-)
[16:01] <mac_v> seb128: actually user filed the bug #463345 in empathy , because in indicator applet Bug 450398 was rejected ;) ,also was rejected in Humanity ;p ... so he later filed the 463345 in empathy ;)
[16:06] <seb128> mac_v, still not an empathy issue ;-)
[16:06] <mac_v> yup :)
[16:45] <seb128> re
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, uploaded, needs to be approved now which will probably not be before tomorrow or next week
[16:46] <hggdh> is the dbus library thread-safe?
[16:46] <seb128> Keybuk, ^
[16:47] <Laney> seb128: OK no hurry, thanks for looking at it
[16:47] <seb128> Laney, thank you for doing the update ;-)
[16:47] <Laney> was a boring upstream update really
[16:47] <seb128> boring bug fixes is what we want in stable updates ;-)
[16:47] <seb128> no new cracks
[16:48] <Laney> yep :)
[16:58] <seb128> mvo_, still there?
[16:58] <seb128> mvo_, is there a way to add an usb key as cdrom source on hardy?
[17:06] <seb128> bbl
[17:18] <asac> tgpraveen1: what kind of connection is that?
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> 3g modem
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> usb modem
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> which is supported ootb
[17:19] <asac> tgpraveen1: "available to all users" ... or normal?
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> cuurently at normal
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> though earlier
[17:19] <tgpraveen1> with available to all it was still giving same problems
[17:20] <asac> ok
[17:21] <asac> there seem to be issues with secrets + available to all users
[17:21] <asac> for some ppp things
[17:21] <asac> tgpraveen1: but lets continue in #nm ... see you are there too ;)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, whats with the "capabilities mismatch" with ubuntu one?
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> i just saw that after signing in for the first time today
[17:47] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: it's in the release notes, you need to update
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> jcastro - thanks:)
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> heh, the archive is painfully slow
[18:00] <Laney> 443, not bad
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> i can't connect to the main archive now
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> and i'm trying to find a mirror that's not out of date ;)
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> right, time for more pidgin debugging
[18:24] <pitti> yay, lucid exists in LP
[18:30] <mac_v> pitti: when will lucid alpha1 be available?
[18:31] <pitti> mac_v: hm, something like 4 weeks perhaps, not sure
[18:31] <mac_v> o.0 4weeks with no crashes ... /me sad
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> are you all looking forward to UDS now?
[18:32] <pitti> yes!
[18:32] <czajkowski> yup
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> it will be quiet here for a couple of weeks!
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> i might have to do some work in the daytime :(
[19:31] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, what is your daytime job that you can spend so much time here? :)
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> hey kklimonda - sorry, i went for dinner
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> i'm an electronics engineer in the day
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> but i hate it ;)
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> so i spend all day on here instead!"
[21:03] <dobey> heh
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> yes! weekend! :)
[21:16] <mac_v> dobey: hey , when could i expect the update of the fdo page regarding the delete and remove icons? I'd like to file a bug in the apps , regarding that ;)
[21:17] <mac_v> if i file them now , probably the devs would just say the fdo page isnt clear :(
[21:17] <dobey> mac_v: even when i fix the spec, the page itself won't get updated automatically. what's currently there isn't what's currently in trunk i don't think :-/
[21:19] <mac_v> dobey: hmm , weird :( ... just out of curiosity why is that it wont update?  or is there anyplace i could point that this is the right spec?
[21:20] <dobey> mac_v: you could point at the docbook file in git i guess
[21:20] <mac_v> dobey: great... :) the gnome-theme git?
[21:20] <dobey> mac_v: it doesn't update automatically because it's a script that gets run, that has config that points at specific revisions/tags to pull the docbook to generate the different versions
[21:21] <dobey> mac_v: no
[21:21] <dobey> mac_v: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/default-icon-theme/tree/spec/icon-naming-spec.xml
[21:23] <mac_v> dobey: awesome , thanks , so once that gets updated ... /me will go on bug rampage ;)
[21:23] <dobey> mac_v: can you please file a bug for that against the iocn-naming-spec project on launchpad?
[21:24] <mac_v> dobey: sure... will do
[21:25] <dobey> thanks
[21:25] <dobey> and now, i gotta go do some other stuff :)
[21:37] <kklimonda> btw any idea how can I hide partition from gvfs? I have two partitions on my android sdcard and both are mounted and detected by media players as android phones :)
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not sure
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> are they appearing as removable storage devices? or as media devices?
[21:41] <kklimonda> hmm
[21:41] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, how to check it?
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> the output of gvfs-mount -li will give a clue
[21:41] <kklimonda> brb, I'll load gnome :)
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> if you see 'GProxyVolumeMonitorGdu' next to the device, then it's just a removable drive
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> if you see 'GProxyVolumeMonitorGPhoto' or something similar, then it's a media device
[21:43] <kklimonda> btw, 9.10 is almost unusable on 512ram - at least in my case :/
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i've been using it for some testing in a 512MB VM, and it seems to be ok
[21:44] <kklimonda> GProxyVolumeMonitorGdu
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> so it's being picked up and mounted as removable storage?
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> but media players detect it as something else?
[21:45] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, when you launch Firefox, some terminals, Evolution, rhythmbox it starts to swap.. and my disk is slow
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> ah, Firefox is pretty heavy anyway
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> i struggle with Firefox with 2GB of RAM
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> especially when there are 2 user sessions open, and both sessions have a Firefox instance running
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> the machine is unusable then ;)
[21:47] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, rhythmbox detects both mounted partitions as "1.4 GB Filesystem" and "535 MB Filesystem", Banshee displays them both as "HTC Dream Android" or something - can't check it right now
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that's wierd then. i don't know what banshee uses to get the info
[21:48] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, it's not a default setup
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> banshee might still be getting the info from HAL
[21:49] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, that's why I don't want to report bugs, just somehow hide the smaller one from gvfs/players
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> whereas rhythmbox is talking to UDEV instead
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> that will probably cause some inconsistency
[21:50] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, I'm not sure if it's inconsistency - both players detects both partitions and handles them as if they are both for media - the smaller one is for applications, it's not an official android feature so I guess no one cared to test it out
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm. i've got an android phone here - should probably try it out
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> if i can find it!
[21:51] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, you would need an cyanogenmod or another apps2sd modification
[21:52] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, it's a bug in a way that whatever you copy to the smaller partition won't show on a phone. At the same time it may be a case of not supported user modification ;)
[21:53] <kklimonda> (well, it will show on a phone if you use terminal or some 3rd party file browser - just not in media player)
[21:53]  * chrisccoulson shouldn't leave his phone on display in his car
[21:54] <kklimonda> :}
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> ok, thats confusing
[21:55] <kklimonda> I've written too much ;)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> i plug in my phone, and i get a nautilus window AND rhythmbox opens
[21:56] <kklimonda> interesting :)
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> oh, that might just be because i already had rhythmbox open
[21:57] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, I think I got 2 dialogs whenever I connected my phone - one for photos and other for music
[21:57] <kklimonda> (the ones that ask me what to do)
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, that's a bit wierd
[21:58] <kklimonda> I can't check if it's still the case because I've marked to not show them anymore
[21:58] <kklimonda> no idea where can I unmark this option ;)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> hmmm "x_content_types: x-content/image-dcf x-content/audio-player"
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> so nautilus just decides it will do the actions for photos and music player at the same time
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i don't know if that is expected behaviour
[22:05] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, where can I change the default actions btw?
[22:05] <kklimonda> I can't find it anywhere
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> it's hidden away in a really obvious and intuitive location....
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> it's in Nautilus - Edit -> Preferences, and then the Media tab
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> lots of users already complain about that ;)
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> ooh dear, where did everyone go?
[22:06] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, oh right, now that I know what application is responsible for it it's indeed obvious :)
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> it's not obvious to a lot of people though
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> pfft, i don't want an icon that looks like an ipod for my android phone
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> i want an icon that looks like my phone
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> mac_v ^^ :P
[22:08] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, it's the kind of preference I look for in System->Preferences
[22:08] <kklimonda> and not in application's settings
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - there is an icon in the preferences menu, but it's hidden by default
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> "File Management"
[22:09] <kklimonda> oh, yummy - nautilus actually displays 3 dialogs for me when I connect the android. The 3rd one is from my custom partition..
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> but that's not very helpful either ;)
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> ah, if there are multiple partitions, then that's normal anyway
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure of any other way around that really
[22:10] <kklimonda> how does nautilus decide that the partition is from music player?
[22:10] <mac_v> chrisccoulson: hmmm? i didnt understand... which icon? is being used? gvfs dumped a crap load of new stuff and probably davidz only knows all the icon names :(
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> mac_v - it's the "multimedia-player" icon
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> i was joking btw ;)
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind an icon that looks a bit like an ipod really
[22:11] <mac_v>  ;)
[22:12]  * bryce__ changes all of chrisccoulson's icons into ipods randomly
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - the media gets a x-content-type attribute, which nautilus uses
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> bryce__ - thanks:)
[22:12] <mac_v> but seriously the gvfs guys changed the icon names according to their wishes , now several is as was earlier :(
[22:12] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, as I thought - any chance I could override it by some dot-file ?
[22:12] <mac_v> *is NOT as was earlier :(
[22:12] <kklimonda> .not-a-media-player or something ;)
[22:13] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - not sure. i'm trying to work out where the x-content-type attributes come from
[22:14] <kklimonda> btw, I really like the new folder names for mounted partitions
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> using UUID's?
[22:14] <kklimonda> yeah..
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> so do i, but some users already complained about that
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> they want disk-1, disk-2 etc...
[22:14] <kklimonda> nothing like trying to guess what does CB08-D42C mean ;)
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> using UUID's gives some persistence though
[22:14] <kklimonda> It's better if disk has no label imo
[22:15] <kklimonda> yeah
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - the content type comes from shared-mime-info then
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> although, i sort of expected that anyway, but i wanted to work out how it gets from there to nautilus ;)
[22:21] <kklimonda> always the curious one ;)
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> indeed
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> time to change my VM's to lucid now:)
[22:27] <kklimonda> :)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, bug 463845
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> some users aren't very polite
[22:31] <bryce__> chrisccoulson, that's an understatement
[22:32] <chrisccoulson> in general, or just this particular case?
[22:34] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, frankly I don't like the way Evolution is integrated with Ubuntu One (Evolution being the only application using ubuntu one I know about)
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - its only for contact sync though isn't it?
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> and it's "opt-in" too
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> tomboy has u1 integration too
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> i don't need the contact sync in evolution, because i sync them all with google instead
[22:35] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, but it creates yet another contact book..
[22:35] <chrisccoulson> where i can access them on my android phone:)
[22:36] <kklimonda> yes, so am I
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> so i just don't use the u1 contact sync stuff
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> i will probably use it to sync notes, if i eventually buy myself a netbook
[22:36] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, then you are left with tomboy sync.. who uses tomboy anyway? ;)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> i use tomboy ;)
[22:37] <kklimonda> really? I've tried few times and found it too bloated to be a sticky notes replacement and not working as a full-time note taking software :)
[22:37] <kklimonda> but maybe that's just me
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> it's useful for noting down random thoughts at 3am when i'm debugging stuff, before my brain shrivels up due to lack of sleep
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[22:38] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, the problem I personally have with U1 right now is that it's not as integrated with Ubuntu as I'd like it to be
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's still early days though
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure more stuff will use it eventually:)
[22:39] <kklimonda> and for some reason I don't like whole couchdb which is weird because I have never really used it ;)
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that stuff's all magic to me. i don't understand how it works or what it does yet ;)
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> and i don't use things that i don't understand
[22:40] <kklimonda> command line arguments for launching it that show up in ps aux are scarry though
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> lol, yeah, just noticed that ;)
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> bbl, need to go and watch some TV :)
[22:41] <kklimonda> TV is overrated ;)
[22:52] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Do you ahve any pending SRUs that will need uploading today? I am specifically thinking of brasero.
[22:53] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, looking..
[22:54] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, brasero and bug 456269 (clutter-gtk)
[22:54] <TheMuso> For brasero, all that needs to be done is the bug has to be fixed up for the SRU, the bzr repo needs a slight tweak, and it can be re-uploaded.
[23:02] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, what needs changing?
[23:03] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: The justification of the SRU and regression potential. Unless the GNOME packages are done differently and I am not aware of it.
[23:06] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I think in general the GNOME stable updates don't need a lot of description.  I'll ping seb128 and pitti to check
[23:07] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, the release seems very quiet - do you know of any major problems?  Do you know if U1 got fixed ok?
[23:08] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: The ubuntu one fixes are in proposed now I believe. There were a lot of acceptances into the proposed repo after we released, according to karmic-changes.
[23:20] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I saw totem was also uploaded, so I'll check to see how that bug looks.
[23:20] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok
[23:20] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Refer to bug #463102 for what has to be done as an example.
[23:21] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok, will do
[23:35] <fta> could someone please have a look at bug 460710?
[23:42] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, debdiff attached
[23:53] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok thanks will take a look in a bit.