mathiazkees: ok - so it's just random in which drives will be picked up to assemble the drive00:00
mathiazkees: what I don't understand is why it decided to auto-sync00:00
keesmathiaz: I doubt it's random, but I haven't investigated the mdadm logic that surrounds the choices.00:00
keesmathiaz: because it identified both drives as belonging to the same RAID, I assume.00:00
keesmathiaz: but yes, this is why it is a potentially dangerous situation.00:01
keesthat said, there is value for some folks to have their system boot no matter what00:01
mathiazkees: right - I don't question that.00:01
mathiazkees: so that is not a regression from jaunty?00:01
keesmathiaz: I don't think so, no.00:03
keesmathiaz: it might make an interesting exercise to map the behavior of every failure flow.00:03
mathiazkees: what does "md1 : inactive sda2[0](S)" mean?00:13
mathiazkees: the (S) status particularly?00:13
mathiazkees: I get that once I boot with a degraded md1 array - and swap isn't mounted anymore00:13
keesmathiaz: hrm00:14
kees"stopped" I think00:14
* kees checks00:14
mathiazkees: you're right00:15
keesah, where'd you find it?00:15
mathiazkees: doing a mdadm manage --run /dev/md1 makes it work again :)00:16
keesah, no, I lied, it means "spare".00:16
kees$ fgrep '(S)' *00:16
keesmd.c:seq_printf(seq, "(S)"); /* spare */00:16
mathiazkees: so sda1 was treated a spare drive?00:16
mathiazkees: s/sda1/sda2/00:16
keesright, iiuc, the array was stopped, and there was a single disk.  since it's not active, it's spare.00:17
kees(disk is in good shape, online, and has the md uuid)00:17
mathiazkees: hm - what could have made it stopped?00:17
mathiazkees: I've never manually stopped any of the array00:18
keesnever getting the second drive, I assume00:18
mathiazkees: hm - so md1 is used for swap00:18
mathiazkees: while md0 is used for /00:18
keesmathiaz: this is the other case of degraded: the missing drive does _not_ come back on its own00:18
mathiazkees: I think I saw that when I booted in degraded mode00:19
keesyou'll need to  mdadm -a /dev/md1 /dev/sdb2   to get it back  (assuming sdb2 is the missing drive)00:19
mathiazkees: I guess that md0 is forced to run when I said to boot in degraded mode00:19
mathiazkees: but md1 is not - which leads to swap not beeing mounted when booted from a degraded raid00:19
keesthe degraded raid stuff is strictly for the rootfs00:19
* kees nods00:19
keessame is true for other partitions.00:19
keesit's still-to-be-implemented.00:20
mathiazkees: ok - and stopped raid array are persistent accross reboot00:20
keesmathiaz: something in md does appear to "remember" a stopped state, yes.00:20
mathiazkees: allright then. All of this makes senses then.00:20
keesmathiaz: *whew*  :)00:21
mathiazkees: the only bug I've found is bug 46225800:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 462258 in mdadm "installer's boot-degraded debconf answer not written to installed disk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46225800:21
mathiazkees: which is only happening in the install00:21
* kees nods00:21
keesI would agree after playing with raid this afternoon00:21
mathiazkees: doing a dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and choosing to boot from the degraded array correctly sets the option in the initramfs configuration fiule00:21
mathiazkees: that's gonna make the release note even easier - after installation run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and select *again* the option to boot from a degraded mode00:23
keessounds right to me00:23
mathiazkees: release note updated in bug 46225800:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 462258 in mdadm "installer's boot-degraded debconf answer not written to installed disk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46225800:26
mathiazkees: thanks for explaining all the raid stuff00:26
keesmathiaz: you bet!  thanks for testing it.  :)00:27
d0htemi just saw this posted . no idea if its a fake00:40
d0htemthought id report it00:40
HellowMeh, leave it. Lets see how many idiots download it before they realize they can get it on ubuntu.com too.00:41
ebroderHuh - are those the finals?00:41
Hellow...actually, if I can remember my TPB login, I'll comment on it.00:41
joaopintoit was not officially release, so there is not final at this time00:42
d0htemk sorry to waste ur time00:42
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slangasekmathiaz: bug #462258> release note finalized now/00:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 462258 in mdadm "installer's boot-degraded debconf answer not written to installed disk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46225800:54
mathiazslangasek: yes00:54
mathiazslangasek: it's good to go00:54
cjwatsonplars: can I have the output of (a) 'sudo /usr/lib/base-installer/dmi-available-memory' and (b) 'sudo dmidecode' for the system in bug 462865, please?01:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 462865 in ubuntu-moblin-remix "moblin-remix fails to boot after install (dup-of: 462692)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46286501:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 462692 in ubiquity "Ubiquity does not finish installation on PAE kernels" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46269201:15
cjwatsonthe dup is right, but I'd like to work out why it hit the PAE codepath01:16
cjwatsonara's system in 462692 just has plain buggy DMI information, as far as I can see01:16
cjwatsonif such bugginess is widespread on devices where people might install moblin-remix, then I think we perhaps ought to respin that too01:17
slangaseklool was ambivalent on a respin; I've launched one now, with the DVDs out of the way01:20
slangasekshould be up for testing in < 30min01:22
plarscjwatson: I just got home, gotta chase my kids to bed and then I can get it for you01:25
cjwatsoninstalling the PAE kernel is not a fatal error in and of itself; it's only fatal in combination with this other bug01:26
cjwatsonso we can tune that at relative leisure01:27
cjwatsonif you do have broken DMI information, Evan and I were just discussing a possible improved heuristic01:27
loolplars: ^ the idea is to have more robust DMI parsing01:35
cjwatsonspecifically we were thinking that we really only need to resort to DMI parsing at all if /proc/meminfo claims that you have 3GB (maximum supported by the -generic kernel)01:36
cjwatsonor perhaps within some threshold of that, to account for stolen video memory or whatever01:36
slangasekplars, lool, cjwatson: moblin respin posted01:55
loolThanks got it01:55
plarshmm, I just tried and nothing new02:02
slangasekplars: the image is there, availability for rsync/zsync is not exactly under my control... I just have the "ask the mirrors to get it" button02:04
plarscjwatson: I have the new (fixed) unr booted on that box now, I don't need to be booted into the broken version of moblin or anything right?02:05
plarsslangasek: gotcha02:06
slangasekplars: booted> any image is fine, they all use the same kernel02:07
plarsslangasek: figured as much, just wanted to make sure, thanks :)02:08
plarscjwatson, lool: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/30396702:11
loolplars: mind aattaching to the bug?02:26
plarslool: will do02:26
loolOddly it did believe you had less than 3 GB hmm02:26
plarslool: yes, I saw02:27
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loolplars: Ah but that's the fixed one?02:27
loolI think they care about the long output; but at lesat we know latest version should work for you now02:27
plarslool: attached02:28
loolplars: thanks02:33
Guest11603got a ubuntu 8.10 question got an answer02:46
ChipzzGuest11603: this isn't a support channel; pls read the topic02:57
porthoseGuest11603, please use #ubuntu for support questions02:58
Roeyhello all03:15
RoeyI've been referred there by Riddell about this issue I'm having after having installed Karmic (64-bit) on my raid1 system.03:16
RoeyI used the standard CD (I assembled the array and mounted the drives off a livecd, then started the install process and specified /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 for /boot and /, respectively)03:16
RoeyI installed the 64-bit Karmic 9.10 dailybuild from 20091027 or so03:16
RoeyOn bootup, the kernel dumps me to a busybox/ash shell after complaining it cannot find /.  This comes off a stock installation of Kubuntu 9.10 (karmic koala).  I have the output of 'blkid' and contents of 'grub.cfg' right here:  http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c03:17
RoeyI use softraid1; /dev/md0 hosts  /boot and /dev/md1 hosts /.     And I used the standard CD (I assembled the array and mounted the drives off a livecd, then started the install process and specified /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 for /boot and /, respectively)03:17
RoeyRiddell: oh hey :)03:21
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nemesisare there problems with the Mailinglist?06:33
nemesis"Your membership in the mailing list ubuntu-devel has been disabled due to excessive bounces"06:33
ScottKIt's been fixed.06:33
nemesisk, thx06:35
pittiGood morning07:03
StevenKMorning pitti07:05
zim22people! when 9.10 will be available for download?07:22
ebroderWhen it's ready07:23
dupondjesomewhere today07:23
zim22ebroder, but i've seen graphical countdown before. yesterday there was 1 day left. but today there is label "Coming soon"07:24
ebroderIt'll be ready when it's ready, and that's when it'll be released07:25
ebroderAnd it will be ready some time today07:25
zim22> it will be ready some time today            ** cool! I can't wait :)07:26
dupondjeinstall the release candidate then ...07:27
zim22dupondje, no. i want final version. because my internet speed is sucks. and I can't download anything I want07:28
zim22yet another question: ubuntu and Kubuntu will be available at the same time? or kubuntu later?07:30
dupondjesame time07:30
dupondjeor at least both today07:30
dholbachis it out yet^W^W^W^Wgood morning!07:39
dholbachhi Hobbsee07:40
mvohey dholbach07:40
dholbachhey mvo07:40
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mneptokanyone want to make some money? i have a murder for hire i need done.08:02
* mneptok hates salespeople suits08:02
pittimneptok: we could offer to let their data center go haywire, would that work, too?08:04
mneptokpitti: no, as i'm on the sysadmin team :/08:05
ttxpitti: add it on releases.ubuntu.com dns rotation ?08:05
mneptokthe ricochet would kill me, too08:05
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BombbumI have found a bug08:20
Bombbuma massive one that could delay the release of 9.1008:20
mneptokBombbum: then you should report it via Launchpad.08:22
joaopintoBombbum, if it was massive you not be the first one reporting it, not at this time :)08:22
joaopintoyou would08:23
Bombbumthe problem IS08:24
BombbumWHEN i press open on my cup holder....it wont balance my cup08:24
Hobbseeoh noez08:25
* davmor2 loads shootgun08:25
davmor2Bombbum: please say something else fun ;)08:26
mneptokBombbum: i have fixed that problem by holding down the power button on my machine for 5 seconds. try that.08:26
Bombbummneptok: i tried that but everytime I do my penis gets hard, any ideas?08:27
spaetzthen you got a serious problem ... :)08:27
mneptokand that's the end of that chapter.08:27
al-maisan_mneptok: good job :)08:27
mneptokrelease day is like the full moon of the Ubuntu world.08:28
highvoltagehmm, that might explain why I've gone so hairy08:29
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asachmm. some user says they use a tmpfs for /var ... does that make any sense?09:26
asaci thought that /var would be required to be persistent ... or am i just confused ;)?09:27
slangasekasac: using a tmpfs for /var is Wrong09:28
slangasek/var/run or /var/cache, ok09:28
asacthanks for confirming ;)09:28
slangasek/var/tmp, technically wrong but probably won't break anything on the system09:28
asacyeah. thats what i thought09:28
slangasek/var/lib -> you might want to keep your package database09:28
seb128asac, we got a gdm bug where user is using a tmpfs for /var/log to prevent ssd damage from what he wrote09:29
seb128not sure why logs should be an issue for ssd disks though09:29
syn-ackbecause its consistent writing09:29
syn-ackthen if you rotate logs... yeah.. in theory it wont end pretty09:30
seb128well it's consistent writting in your user dir too09:30
syn-acktrue too. Ya know what... you win this one... only this one though. :P09:31
syn-ackBeen too long a day. ;)09:31
liwasac, re tmpfs for /var: why not just run off a livecd and mount /home on top of that?09:45
joaopintoabout tmpfs, why aren't we using tmpfs for /tmp ?09:47
joaopintooh, discussed a long time ago, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-September/000965.html09:53
liwjoaopinto, five years ago... might be reasonable to revisit this :)09:56
joaopinto"At any rate, we won't be changing this for Warty so close to release.  It's09:56
joaopintosomething to consider for the future.09:56
joaopinto" -mdz09:56
* liw points out that this is an excellent time to start making blueprints for the next UDS09:57
cjwatsonjoaopinto: it was already discussed for karmic, but we ran into kernel difficulties09:58
cjwatsonbug 38655409:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 386554 in linux "System behaved as if OOM when it had plenty to spare" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38655409:58
joaopintohum, that bug does not mention tmpfs10:00
cjwatsonjoaopinto: nevertheless10:02
joaopintoah ok, got priority10:02
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liwslangasek, is there still time for uploading a new package to karmic?10:11
liwslangasek, I could free an hour and finally rewrite the kernel in Python10:11
slangasektrolleth not the release manager10:11
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slangasekwtf, why is something setting a default ipv6 route for me via a local-link address in karmic?12:23
pittislangasek: with metric 1000 only, I hope?12:25
slangasekpitti: doesn't matter, why is it adding it at all?12:25
pittiI don't have a LL default route, though12:25
pittislangasek: it shouldn't indeed12:25
slangasekmetric 102412:25
slangasekpitti: this breaks me trying to reach releases.u.c when I don't have any other default routes :P12:26
pitticonceptually, IPv4LL doesn't have default routes..12:26
slangasek(which is a separate bug)12:26
slangasekdidn't I just fix this same braindamage in avahi for ipv412:26
LaserJockslangasek: Edubuntu is looking good, smoketests done, you need anything more from me?12:39
slangasekLaserJock: s/smoketests/full ISO testing/ :)  Is http://edubuntu.org/news/9.10-release12:39
slangasek... ready to go?12:39
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slangasekloading that page gives me a lot of "9.04", and no content12:40
LaserJockslangasek: the content is written, it's a matter of it being in place, one sec12:40
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spaetzLaserJock: that site still does not look right :)12:51
LaserJockspaetz: workin' on it12:51
slangasekluisbg, TheMuso, cody-somerville, superm1: ping13:06
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slangasekluisbg, cody-somerville, superm1: you might like to unembargo your content :)13:20
LaserJockslangasek: looks like we're ready here13:21
slangasekLaserJock: ack, looks good to me13:22
slangasekasac: is this NM creating garbage IPv6 default routes?13:27
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luisbgslangasek, unembargo?13:40
sivanganyone near budapest ?13:47
slangasekluisbg: is there content somewhere that's ready to be posted to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/9.10release_notes ?13:49
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luisbgslangasek, let me check if 'our guy' has written the release note and just hasnt published it?13:52
slangasekluisbg: ok, thanks :)13:52
luisbgslangasek, no problem13:53
luisbgslangasek, link will be ready in 5 minutes13:57
slangasekluisbg: cheers13:58
luisbgslangasek, cheers you :)14:00
luisbgslangasek, Ubuntu Studio release notes up and running, thank stochastic :)14:01
slangaseksuperm1: olly olly oxen free14:03
luisbgslangasek, is superm1 the only one pending to give you release notes?14:04
luisbgsuperm1, take that! :P hehehehehee14:04
* spaetz sighs looking at slashdot. they are faster than reality again.14:08
luisbgspaetz, yet I see no mention there about: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140048/Many_open_sourcers_back_an_Oracle_takeover_of_MySQL?taxonomyId=53&pageNumber=114:10
ionkeybuk: ureadahead’s sreadahead replacement retains /etc/cron.monthly/sreadahead14:11
Keybukion: good catch14:12
ionkeybuk: Could there perhaps be some logic in ureadahead to determine when the pack is obsolete? E.g. when readaheading stuff from the pack, compare the inodes to what the pack said they were, and if > n % have changed, delete the pack for the next boot.14:22
pittioh, is ureadahead the latest thing now?14:22
ionkeybuk: Better logic than just “> 28 days old”, that is.14:22
directhexhm, ubuntu.com seems a bit busy14:24
slangasekwhat's that about14:25
jpdsdirecthex: /.14:25
slangasekis something happening today?14:25
spaetznahh, must be coincidence14:26
directhexany last-minute respins scheduled, or is it "safe" to yank down an image?14:26
Keybukion: patches welcome ;-)14:28
ionkeybuk: I mean, would this approach work?14:28
Keybukion: depends on ssd vs. hdd of course14:30
* MsMaco hugs everybody14:35
MsMacothank you all for everything you do to make ubuntu rock!14:35
highvoltageMsMaco: ping!!!14:36
MsMaco(this is maco, btw. quassel core is offline)14:36
MsMacohighvoltage: howdy14:36
highvoltageMsMaco: see pm14:36
flodoslangasek: thank you and all the others for your efforts!14:40
* flodo goes installing14:41
ionkeybuk: “we end up with multi-megabyte pack files of \0s” – how about writing sparse files?14:43
Keybukion: ?14:44
ionkeybuk: Or did i understand the comment incorrectly?14:45
Keybukwhich comment?14:46
Keybukoh, about why not PATH_MAX14:46
ionThe one i quoted. :-P14:46
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Keybukthe problem is ending up with multi-metabyte files14:46
Keybukie. to read ahead, you have to read 8MB of pack file to tell you what to read :p14:46
ionDo they contain continuous chunks of \0s? In that case, an apparent 8 MB file could take a lot less on the disk when written as a sparse file.14:47
ionAnd therefore could be read a lot faster.14:47
superm1slangasek, for some reason i'm missing BT to all my channels last night but see a "?" from you in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev.  was there something you needed answered?14:59
slangaseksuperm1: was inquiring about getting the mythbuntu announcement published / unembargoed; Daviey has handled it, we're golden now14:59
superm1cool good15:00
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jdonga/win 1815:20
Mamarokhighvolt1ge: congratulations :)15:34
ionkeybuk: Ok, writing a sparse file wouldn’t help; the holes aren’t long enough in the pack format. But how about gzipping? My 614 kB pack gets compressed to 45 kB.15:34
ionkeybuk: And gzipping such a small file presents *very* low overhead.15:35
ionkeybuk: That is, even if the limit is raised again.15:36
highvolt1gethanks Mamarok!15:36
Keybukion: cost of gzip is a cost15:36
Keybukthe whole point is to be as fast as possible15:36
Keybukso the pack is "fastest format to read"15:36
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joaopintoupdate-manager handles special upgrade cases not covered by dist-upgrader, right ?15:42
jdongdist-upgrader is another name for update-manager-core, they use the same engine.15:43
jdongapt-get dist-upgrade / aptitude ...-upgrade are the more "primitive" algorithms15:43
joaopintoand the update-manager-core uses rules defined out of the packaging process ?15:44
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mvo_joaopinto: looks at DistUpgradeQuirks.py if you are interessted in the details (in the u-m codebase)15:46
joaopintomvo_, that is what I was looking for, thanks :)15:47
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cjwatsoncody-somerville,superm1: please could you branch xubuntu.karmic and mythbuntu.karmic seeds to create xubuntu.lucid and mythbuntu.lucid seeds; I don't have permission16:13
superm1cjwatson, i thought i already did a few days ago?16:13
cjwatsonoh, you were early? :)16:14
cody-somervillecjwatson, aye16:20
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dupondjethe beast has been released :P17:01
kirklandcan someone promote this build?  https://edge.launchpad.net/~kirkland/+archive/ppa/+build/131329417:10
kirklandi'm testing this for an SRU17:10
cjwatsonkirkland: done17:11
kirklandcjwatson: cheers17:11
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cjwatsonlucid creation in progress17:15
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cjwatson(we never rest ...)17:16
nxvlcjwatson: where is that the opening of the development archives is announced?17:16
cjwatsonnxvl: ubuntu-devel-announce17:18
joaopintohum, seen 2 users reporting failing to boot with usplash enabled already17:19
nxvlcjwatson: thnx17:22
nxvlhmm, funny i was indeed subscribed to that list, how i miss it17:22
kirklandcjwatson: one more, please?  https://edge.launchpad.net/~kirkland/+archive/ppa/+build/131343017:28
cjwatsonkirkland: done17:33
kirklandcjwatson: thanks again17:33
corp186I'm trying to make a source package that creates a binary arch-dependent and an arch-independent dev package using CDBS17:50
corp186I haven't found answers to my questions in the cdbs docs17:50
corp186is there an irc channel or some other forum I can ask in?17:50
stochasticwho is the release manager for 9.10?17:50
stochasticcorp186, #ubuntu-motu is pretty good with cdbs stuff17:51
corp186stochastic: thanks, I'll ask there17:51
sebnerstochastic: slangasek it is17:51
ct529the new ubuntu site front page is broken on firefox 3014 on kubuntu 904 64 bit. Who should I inform?17:52
stochasticslangasek, I really don't mean to be rude by asking this, but how much longer can Ubuntu Studio users expect to wait before their ISOs are published?  We're getting a growing number of enquiries across all levels of communication about this.17:54
dojohi guys, just wanted to say thanks to any devs in here. 9.10 has a noticeable speed boost :D17:54
oliver3o0o0o0o 9.10 is out :D17:56
oliver3Seriously hope this upgrade doesn't take forever17:58
oliver3couldn't even download the release notes <_<17:58
oliver3Perhaps another time17:58
cjwatsonstochastic: as far as I can see, they've already been published18:01
stochasticcjwatson, there's no image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/9.10/ or final torrent at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/karmic/18:02
stochasticcjwatson, where is it that they're published?18:02
cjwatson/ubuntustudio/releases/9.10/ exists on the master machine18:03
cjwatsonif they aren't showing up on cdimage, it's due to some kind of release-induced lag18:03
cjwatsonwhich is unfortunate, but is more a sysadmin kind of thing than anything the release manager can influence directly ...18:04
cjwatsonelmo: ^- is cdimage just hammered?18:04
stochasticthat doesn't quite explain the lack of listing on the torrent website18:04
elmocjwatson: yes, I'll bring up another cdimage machine this evening18:05
elmobut it doesn't explain it not being on magellanic18:05
stochastichere: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ Ubuntu Studio is still listed as RC18:05
cjwatsonmm, I'll look at that18:06
cjwatsonelmo: it's in the torrent tree on antimony18:09
cjwatsonelmo: /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/torrent/ubuntustudio/releases/karmic/release/alternate/18:10
elmocjwatson: ok18:10
cjwatson(and has been for nearly five hours, FWIW)18:10
elmosyncing now18:11
elmonot sure what happened to the previous sync18:11
elmowell then bounce the tracker18:11
cjwatsonlamont: can we have lucid buildd chroots, please?18:13
Mirvthanks everyone. even though a lot happened at quite last minute, I18N turned out great after all, thanks for all the fixes like Michael fixing stuff I expected only for lucid :)18:14
Mirvthis is a great base to do the LTS (regarding this area), and the LTS schedule is such that everything does not have to be done at the last minute18:15
stochasticcjwatson, so should this be fixing itself now or is there more waiting to be done?18:15
cjwatsonstochastic: I don't think there's anything more the release team can do; I don't know if there's more that our sysadmins need to do18:16
lamontcjwatson: meh.18:16
stochasticcjwatson, okay I'm not really sure of your internal structure - I'm relatively new on the ubuntu studio team.  I just still don't see any torrent or iso.  Is there any direction I should take this?18:18
cjwatsonyou've done the right thing by reporting it18:18
stochasticnow I sit and wait18:18
stochasticokay thanks guys18:18
cjwatsonstochastic: I expect that this will effectively sort itself out once things recover a bit from load, but unfortunately I can't give you a timeline18:18
stochasticyeah, that's expected18:19
* cjwatson publishes ports CDs, just to contribute to load ;-)18:19
stochasticcjwatson: sorted!  Thanks!18:20
doko__uname -i behaviour is interesting on ubuntu ...18:20
doko__      -i, --hardware-platform18:21
doko__              print the hardware platform or "unknown"18:21
doko__and it always prints unknown ...18:21
syn-ackI'm sure you guys have been getting this question all day but whats the current timeline to start dropping things for Lucid?18:22
cjwatsonsyn-ack: over the next week18:24
cjwatsonsyn-ack: I did most of the initial lucid creation today, but we'll need to get the toolchain started18:24
syn-ackcj: Good deal!18:24
cjwatsondoko__: you're good to do initial toolchain uploads for lucid18:25
* syn-ack hugs cjwatson just a littlebit18:25
pittithanks to whoever created lucid in LP, helps me a lot with keeping track of SRUs18:25
cjwatsonI don't know exactly when we'll start them building, but might as well start uploading18:25
cjwatsonpitti: you're welcome18:25
cjwatsonwell, actually I got mthaddon to do it, but :)18:26
lamontE: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-hppa/Packages <-- sometimes, automation goes overboard18:26
doko__cjwatson: maybe not tonight, lool asked for one other change18:26
syn-ackcjwatson, dude, take the credit wherever possible. :P18:27
stochasticcjwatson, the iso files at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/karmic/release/alternate/ give Forbidden errors and the torrent files don't have any peers with the file.18:32
cjwatsonelmo: ^- those files are mode 644 on antimony - do you know why they're Forbidden on torrent.u.c?18:38
elmoprobably because the tracker hadn't restarted yet18:38
cjwatson664, rather18:38
elmo-rw-rw-r-- 1 archvsync archvsync 1556807680 Oct 27 17:00 ubuntustudio-9.10-alternate-i386.iso18:39
elmostochastic: try now?18:39
stochasticelmo, still forbidden18:39
elmostochastic: oh, well, yes18:39
elmodirectly downloading via http is of course18:39
elmotorrent.u.c is there for torrent, not http18:40
stochastictorrent is active in my Deluge and no peers have the file18:40
stochasticdo you want me to re-download the torrent and restart?18:40
pittizul: did you see Steve's question in bug 451314 ?18:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 451314 in php5 "[SRU] PHP 5.2.10 zlib bug remains for 32bit" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45131418:44
zulpitti: yeah its on my list today to answer them18:44
elmostochastic: I don't have any peers but I see other leechers18:45
elmostochastic: I think once someone completes it should be good18:45
stochasticelmo, nobody is downloading the file, It's been sitting a 0mb/s for five minutes now18:46
stochastictry the 64bit for a more dramatic example.18:46
elmostochastic: like I said, when I download it, I see 2 people downloading18:47
stochasticelmo, okay, I'll trust you.  off I go for the morning coffee18:47
elmostochastic: well I may be wrong, but AFAICS it should work and I've done everything I would normally do to get a missing file into the torrent18:48
elmoOTOH it's very hard for me to test from this network18:50
maswanI can test if I can get an URL to the torrent18:50
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elmoaha, now it's working18:52
elmomaswan: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/karmic/release/alternate/ubuntustudio-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent18:52
lamontcjwatson: lucid tarballs uploading now.18:56
maswanis cdimage.u.c/ubuntustudio/releases an interesting part of cdimage.u.c for me to mirror?18:56
maswanany other parts there that are big in terms of demand that isn't on http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/18:56
elmomaswan: I suspect it's interesting for the ubuntu studio folks, yeah18:57
maswanelmo: cdimage seems horribly slow in terms of even giving me a directory listing, want to shove some of that traffic our way, or is it just all over saturation?18:59
elmomaswan: the two machines just don't have any more BW to give18:59
* maswan nods18:59
AquinaIs http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ down?18:59
elmomaswan: I'm not sure I could even get on them to redirect traffic your way18:59
maswanAquina: no, just heavily loaded18:59
elmomaswan: I'm going to head into the DC and bring up a third18:59
maswanAquina: I managed to get a directory listing after quite some time19:00
maswanelmo: Hm. Of course, I might not have all of the stuff yet, might be waiting for an rsync from cdimage...19:00
elmomaswan: right19:00
elmowhereas I can resync a 3rd from the master19:00
* maswan nods19:00
elmoI'm hoping 3Gb/s out to be enough for the greedy cdimage monster19:00
maswangood luck :)19:01
maswanAh, we only sync that every 12 hours, and it looks like it grabbed it just before release images started appearing (11h ago)19:02
lamontcjwatson: and FIN19:03
stochasticelmo the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/9.10/release/ folder is still empty19:13
elmostochastic: sigh, I know dude19:13
elmostochastic: I'm working on it19:13
stochasticthanks for getting the torrent file working19:13
ccheneyis it now generally impossible to edit anything in launchpad since it forces them to be 'JSON' compliant19:27
ccheneyor is there some workaround for that braindamage19:28
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mathiazccheney: O19:34
mathiazccheney: I've run into similar when trying to edit a bug description19:34
mathiazccheney: I've just added a /+edit to the end of the url bug19:34
ccheneymathiaz: ah :)19:38
ccheneymathiaz: nearly every time i have to edit something it happens19:38
ccheneywhat is allowed in the json spec is much smaller set of what you can type and even what you can type in normal sentences apparently19:39
ccheneyi think ' and " is not allowed19:39
mathiazccheney: if the content is properly escaped it shouldn't be such a big problem19:39
ccheneywell the content shouldn't be escaped at all in the web view, it should happen by whatever they are doing to make the edit work, which apparently isn't happening19:40
cumulus007Hi, I'm the translator of the Dutch localization of the 9.10 release notes and to my unpleasant surprise, I noticed that the Dutch version has been removed from the wiki19:42
cumulus007I'm wondering why this has happened19:42
cumulus007It's also removed from the list of completed translations, so this didn't happen by accident at all19:42
ccheneyslangasek: ^ cumulus00719:45
cumulus007Hm, it looks like the release notes have been changed since the last time I saw them, I think that's the reason that the dutch version has been removed19:46
ccheneycumulus007: ah ok19:47
cumulus007still I think it's a bit rude to just remove the dutch version entirely19:48
an_rey_Всех с выходом 910 )))19:52
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DarxusNobodies like me can't add milestones on launchpad?19:54
newbuntui have a big problem ... while updating my ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 i switched via kvm switch to another computer20:12
newbuntuby switching back now to the linux machine it did not regognize my keyboard and mouse20:13
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newbuntuso i can't enter the override of some files ... what can i do ?20:13
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TheMusoslangasek: pong20:57
Patriickhello all, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu 9.10 in virtualbox getting error messaging saying there is corrupt files in the iso21:04
PatriickUBuntu 9.10 server edition ^21:05
sebnerPatriick: have you checked md5sums?21:06
Patriicknope :)21:06
Patriicksebner give a few minutes21:09
PatriickMD5: 3A79465BEDACE99BF02E51FFC91F961321:11
PatriickSHA1: 24CA3DBE3397EEDB8C61704E99CD23EF482C1D7621:11
ajmitchthe md5sum there doesn't match either of the amd64 or i386 md5sums that I'm seeing on a local mirror21:12
PatriickWell I got the download straight from the United States server :O21:12
Patriickon the official site, and it is the 32 bit vesion21:13
Patriickugh well i suppose i'll just redownload21:14
PatriickI'll download from UK this time21:15
Patriickyeah the sizes are different21:17
Patriickold iso = 559 MB new iso = 641 MB21:18
jnassifgubuntu asks for your password too much21:24
Patriickthen login as root21:24
jnassifgyeah, it's not in sudoers21:24
TheMusoNot sure if thats good advice.21:24
Patriicklol ^21:24
jnassifgit's in /var/gobbletygook/polickit/someothercrap21:24
TheMusojnassifg: Its better than not being asked for it at all/not enough IMO.21:26
TheMusoalthough it depends on where you think it shouldn't be asked for.21:26
ccheneyis it possible to copy a package from backports into a ppa?21:32
jnassifgwhat the hell did ubuntu do to grub21:32
TheMusojnassifg: Updated it to grub2.21:32
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jnassifgthe new ubuntu doesn't support syncing to iphones with 3.x firmware out of the box.21:42
Patriickwat about jailbroke ipod touches :O21:43
jdonglol how on earth does one sync to the iPhone 3.x??21:43
TheMusojnassifg: Thats hardly surprising, considering the timeframe that the 3.0 firmware was released, and the state of Ubuntu development and upstrea development for iphone support at the time.21:43
jdongboth the Touches and iPhones even when jailbroken won't sync21:43
lifelessccheney: I'm not sure21:43
jdong(we don't know how CoreFP generates the LLVM-obfuscated hashes yet, AFAIK)21:43
joaopintois audio testing performed at some scale with a predefined range of tests and hardware ?21:44
sebnerjdong: what's why I have to use win7 for itunes :(21:44
jnassifg ubuntu should have waited a few days for the ff update21:44
jdongjnassifg: FF will be updated....21:44
sebnerjnassifg: why? It'll come through updates21:44
jdongthat's always the case.21:44
TheMusojoaopinto: I believe so, there is tests done on hardware that Ubuntu will ship on, and then there is the hardware of the devs.21:44
jnassifgso what gets edited now instead of menu.lst?21:46
jdongsebner: I think it's a fair bet to say at this point that Apple music players should no longer be expected to sync with non-iTunes21:46
joaopintoTheMuso, is there any data about that ?21:46
jnassifgin grub221:46
jdongsebner: the way that Apple is leveraging LLVM to obfuscate the process is making it prohibitively hard to reverse engineer21:46
jdongand I believe usbmuxd syncing on iPhoneOS (non-DFU) is still SSL-encrypted21:46
jdong(disclaimer: I'm still a happy iPhone user)21:47
sebnerjdong: ACK, normal ipods work(ed) but Touch and phone is horrible (I have a touch)21:47
jdongsebner: Apple can change that at any moment too :(21:47
jdongsebner: fortunately iPods (non-Touch) right now ignore much of the iTunesDB hashing.21:47
jdongsebner: but the iPhoneOS-verified hashing algorithm is crazy enough to take random conditional branches, scrub memory every couple operations, ....21:48
sebnerjdong: heh, iTunes for linux ftw if they can't stop haXX0ring the hashing21:48
jdongsebner: you know it's bad news when a 20MB .DLL generates a 5-line string hash :)21:48
lifelessjdong: serious? wtf21:48
jnassifgI dont see a menu21:49
jnassifgwhen grub loads21:49
sebnerjdong: we need more talented haXX0rs then :D21:49
jdonglifeless: yup. twiddled at the LLVM level21:49
sebnerjnassifg: only appears with dual boot system21:49
jnassifgIN THE NEWEST UBNUNTU, I dont see a menu when grub loads21:49
jdonglifeless: http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/index.php?title=Hash21:49
sebnerjnassifg: because it doesn't appear on non-dual boot systems since ever?21:50
jdonglifeless: (heh most useful information was DMCAed. YAY)21:50
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Mezanyone around can do me a favour ?22:05
Mezpastebin the output of mount | grep swap22:06
ajmitchthat would depend on the favour22:06
Mezajmitch: probably missed it with the netsplit22:07
Mezpastebin the output of mount | grep swap22:07
* ajmitch has no output for that22:07
Mezajmitch: and sudo lsof | grep swap22:07
* ajmitch has no output for that22:07
Mezno swap ?22:07
ajmitchlsof does list kswapd but nothing else22:08
ajmitchhowever, swapon -s does list a partition in use for swap22:08
ajmitchMez: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304606/ for the 3 commands22:09
Mezweird that it doesnt show in mount anymore22:11
ajmitcha little strange22:11
ajmitchbut it's the same on jaunty22:12
ajmitchlooks to have been like this for awhile - I just checked on a lenny install22:13
Mezlol - probably didnt notice as I wasnt looking for it before.22:13
MezI recently had it bitching at me cause I have "encrypted" swap22:13
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buckyhow do you keep xchat from logging you into #ubuntu?22:59
ikoniabucky: please join #xchat as instructed in freenode23:02
mneptokbucky: this is not a support channel23:02
buckyhow do you keep xchat from logging you into #ubuntu?23:02
Mezbucky: ask in #xchat, as you've been told in #freenode23:02
ikoniabucky: please ask in #xchat as the kind folk in #freenode advised you23:02
buckyubuntu is the only distro that screwed with xchat to join their channel... how do you undo it23:03
buckysimple question23:03
Mezikonia: snap :D23:03
Mezmneptok: kickforward for #xchat ? :P23:03
TheMusoWas that the right approach.23:03
mneptokMez: i love irssi, but that doesn;t mean i hate XChat ;)23:03
Mezmneptok: lol23:04
Mezmneptok: didnt think of it like that23:04
mneptokTheMuso: yes, given that user's prior behavior23:04
nalioththat wasn't about xchat23:04
TheMusomneptok: Fair enough then.23:04
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slangasekTheMuso: hey, was just a ping regarding taking the web content active; luisbg helped me sort it, so no worries23:40

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