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dholbachsoren, jpds, nhandler: ready?14:11
dholbachmdeslaur: around?14:11
MootBotMeeting started at 09:11. The chair is dholbach.14:11
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]14:11
dholbachwe're here for the MOTU Council meeting - this is an impromptu meeting as we did manage to have quorum last time - some folks were travelling14:12
dholbachwe'll have a look at the agenda of the 22nd October: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting14:12
dholbachhey highvoltage14:13
dholbach[TOPIC] Jonathan Carter's MOTU application14:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Jonathan Carter's MOTU application14:13
highvoltagehi dholbach14:13
dholbach[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication14:13
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication14:13
dholbachhey highvoltage - how are you doing?14:13
highvoltagestgraber: ping14:13
mhall119|workdholbach: I was trying to run harvest the other day, but the install instructions didn't get me the django openID stuff, where can I find that?14:13
highvoltagegood thanks dholbach, glad that the Edubuntu release went well (and relieved)14:13
mhall119|workoh, sorry, is there a meeting?14:13
dholbachmhall119|work: we are in a meeting here - can you PM me and I'll reply later?14:13
mhall119|workdholbach: sure14:14
dholbachmhall119|work: mail should work too14:14
dholbachmhall119|work: thanks!14:14
stgraberhey everyone14:14
highvoltagemhall119|work: please hang around though :)14:14
mhall119|workI will14:14
* mhall119|work needs to get his ubuntu membership application ready14:14
dholbachhighvoltage: your wiki page says you're interested in becoming MOTU and you need upload rights for ltsp cluster? which of them are you pursuing in this meeting? :)14:14
* dholbach is confused in a pre-karmic-release way :)14:15
highvoltagedholbach: becoming motu, stgraber says I'm ready!14:15
dholbachok, so you'd like to have upload rights for the whole of universe/multiverse?14:15
nhandlerhighvoltage: Could you please describe some of your contributions to things other than ltsp?14:15
jpdshighvoltage: Is there a particular reason you're interesting in the LTSP stack? Do you deploy it regularly in your work?14:15
stgraberltsp-cluster was basically his way of doing a lot of packaging, then we'd really need an extra set of hand for education related packaging14:15
highvoltagedholbach: yes, that would be ideal for new things we want to get in Edubuntu for Lucid14:16
highvoltagenhandler: in terms of packaging things that have gone into the archives I've only done a patch to include a manpage for gnome-open, so the ltsp-cluster packages have been my main area of work so far14:17
highvoltagejpds: yes I do, and I will be doing more LTSP related work very soon14:17
jpdshighvoltage: Excellent.14:18
nhandlerhighvoltage: What would you do if you were to become a MOTU? Would you be mainly focusing on Edubuntu packages?14:18
stgraberltsp-cluster was a good way to get into packaging as it's php / python and some scripts in a lot of different packages, some using cdbs, some others using debhelper. As his mentor, I though it would be a good idea to work on these, especially as he soon will be working with these almost everyday ;)14:18
highvoltagenhandler: initially, yes, since there is a big need for it, one of the first things I'd want to do is work with mhall119|work to get the Qimo packages in the ubuntu archives14:19
highvoltagenhandler: I'd also like to get some packages in for Guidalinex Edu so that they can use plain Edubuntu in their deployments14:19
highvoltagenhandler: my interests are certainly much wider than Edubuntu though, but that's where I'll probably be focussing on for the immediate future14:19
dholbachhighvoltage: are you in touch with the guadalinex guys regularly? how well are we cooperating with them?14:19
highvoltagedholbach: we chat casually over IRC, we know more or less what they need but we haven't been able to really provide it yet14:20
dholbachhighvoltage: is there anything you found most difficult when you were starting your packaging / ubuntu development journey?14:21
highvoltagedholbach: basically, we just need to make some changes to the edubuntu-menu work that LaserJock as already did, but from a community perspective we need to pull them in better into the Edubuntu project14:21
highvoltagedholbach: yes, it's easy to get lost in details, I relied on documentation alone for a long time and it didn't work out14:22
highvoltagedholbach: so the packaging guide would mention that you need to know make, and I'd spend a long time reading about make and related documentation that weren't really necessary14:22
dholbach... depending on what you want to do and what you start with :)14:23
nhandlerhighvoltage: We are currently working on cleaning up the packaging guides, any feedback on that would be greatly appreciated14:23
highvoltagedholbach: I've found that it's much better asking in #ubuntu-motu and cool motu people such as LaserJock, stgraber, ogra, ScottK, etc14:23
highvoltagenhandler: ok, I have a printed copy from Lulu so I'll go through it agian to point out areas I had trouble with14:24
highvoltageideally I would have done more packaging work before applying, but I think I have a good understanding of the processes and I wouldn't do anything risky or weird before consulting with anyone else first14:25
dholbachjpds, soren: do you have more questions?14:26
nhandlerI am sorry, but I have to leave now. Hopefully, geser will show up, otherwise, we will figure something out in terms of voting14:26
sorendholbach: Nope.14:26
jpdsNone from me.14:26
dholbach[vote] Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?14:27
MootBotPlease vote on:  Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?.14:27
MootBotPublic votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot14:27
MootBotE.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting14:27
MootBot+1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 114:28
MootBot+1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 214:28
sorenI thought we didn't have quorum?14:28
MootBot+1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 314:29
dholbachsoren: we still do14:29
sorenOh, ok.14:29
MootBot+1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 414:29
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 414:29
dholbachcongratulations highvoltage14:29
highvoltageYAAAAAY \o/14:29
highvoltagedholbach: *hug*14:30
jpdshighvoltage: congrats!14:30
dholbach(sorry, doorbell rang in the meantime :-))14:30
mdeslaurcongrats highvoltage14:30
* dholbach hugs highvoltage too14:30
czajkowskihighvoltage: whooo congrats!14:30
highvoltageonly 5 years after I first heard of motu and wanted to join!!! :)14:30
mhall119|workcongrats highvoltage14:30
dholbachmdeslaur: for your application, I suggest we send questions now and quickly proceed with voting over mail if geser or persia don't show up in time :)14:30
mhall119|worknow I know who to harrass to get Qimo packages in Universe14:30
mdeslaurdholbach: ok14:30
dholbachhighvoltage: I'm sure the Edubuntu community (and everybody else) will appreciate it :)14:30
highvoltagedholbach: thanks! and thanks to the Motu Council14:31
dholbach[TOPIC] Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application14:31
MootBotNew Topic:  Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application14:31
highvoltageI'll make your votes count14:31
dholbach[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication14:31
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication14:31
dholbachmdeslaur: how are you doing? :)14:31
mdeslaurdholbach: I'm great :)14:31
mdeslaurwe're releasing today!!14:31
mdeslaurYou can't see it, but I'm wearing a Koala suit right now14:32
stgraberhighvoltage: contratz14:32
jdstrandmdeslaur: I'm imagining it to be very fuzzy14:32
dholbachmdeslaur: I'm glad you're wearing something14:32
dholbachsoren, jpds: questions?14:32
dholbachmdeslaur: what is your primary interest in Ubuntu development apart from general security?14:33
dholbachmdeslaur: are there contributors for the qa regressions tests?14:33
sorendholbach: No, I know what I'm voting :)14:34
jpdsI'm with soren.14:34
mdeslaurdholbach: well, I would like to start working on extending my security involvement to authentication, and desktop lock-down14:34
mdeslaurdholbach: the QA team contributes also to the regression tests14:35
mdeslaurah, of course, to make Ubuntu better in general, not just from the security side14:35
dholbachmdeslaur: it strikes me as an area that should get many more people contributing to it14:35
dholbachany idea how we get the word out some more?14:36
dholbachshould it be easy enough to contribute?14:36
mdeslaurdholbach: well, regression testing is not something that people generally like to do. Although we ask the community when they submit security patches to test and possibly write qa testing scripts, I unfortunately have not seen any go by.14:36
dholbachis it too hard to write those tests?14:37
mdeslaurdholbach: not really, they are simple python-unit scripts. sbeattie did an excellent tutorial on them on irc the other day.14:38
dholbachmaybe somebody could blog about it again or bring it up in some kind of tutorial / irc session again14:38
mdeslaurdholbach: I think the priority right now is to get people more involved in actually producing security updates for universe packages14:38
dholbachit's just too awesome to not put some more work into it :)14:38
mdeslaurdholbach: that seems to be the area that I think we could sum up some interest14:39
mhall119|workare there script templates?14:39
mhall119|workthat might help14:39
dholbachmdeslaur: let's chat about that outside the meeting some - maybe at UDS over a beer :)14:39
dholbachalright, I'm done with questions myself14:39
mdeslaurdholbach: that sounds good :)14:39
dholbachsoren, jpds: shall we "vote provisionally" and ask the others to weigh in via mail to speed this up?14:40
mdeslaurmhall119|work: there is a template for starting a new script, and the existing scripts are simple to understand14:40
sorendholbach: I'm confused. I thought you said we were quorate?14:40
dholbachsoren: nhandler left in the meantime14:41
sorendholbach: I thought he left just before we voted on highvoltage..14:41
sorenAh, I see now.14:41
dholbachsoren: nhandler still participated in that vote14:41
sorenYes, I thought he left right before. Ok.14:41
sorenErrr... Yeah, I guess we can just vote here and let the others do it over e-mail.14:42
dholbachsoren, jpds: opinions? leave everything to be voted on the ML or "collect our votes here already"?14:42
sorenLet's do it over e-mail.14:42
sorenWe can all just send our votes straight away.14:42
dholbachthanks mdeslaur for your understanding14:42
mdeslaurdholbach: no problem!14:42
dholbachsoren: can you take care of Marc's application?14:42
sorenIt seems simpler to have it all in onve place.14:42
dholbachI'm happy to process Jonathan's14:42
dholbachsoren: just a piece of log or something, so the other's know what we talked about14:43
dholbachsoren: happy with that? :)14:44
dholbachthanks a lot everybody14:44
dholbach[TOPIC] Any other business?14:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business?14:44
mdeslaurthanks everyone!14:44
dholbachthanks mdeslaur and highvoltage14:44
mhall119|workubuntu.com is updated, 9.10 is officially out14:45
mhall119|workcongratulations to everyone involved14:45
dholbachok, sounds like everybody has some celebration to do, let's adjourn!14:45
dholbachhave a great day and thanks everyone14:45
MootBotMeeting finished at 09:45.14:45
highvoltagethanks eveyrone!14:46
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buckyubuntu is the only distro that screwed with xchat to join their channel... how do you undo it23:04
Vantraxbucky try #ubuntu23:12
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