[14:11] <dholbach> soren, jpds, nhandler: ready?
[14:11] <nhandler> Yep
[14:11] <dholbach> mdeslaur: around?
[14:11] <jpds> Afternoon.
[14:11] <soren> Yup.
[14:11] <mdeslaur> yep
[14:11] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[14:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:11. The chair is dholbach.
[14:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:12] <dholbach> we're here for the MOTU Council meeting - this is an impromptu meeting as we did manage to have quorum last time - some folks were travelling
[14:12] <dholbach> we'll have a look at the agenda of the 22nd October: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[14:13] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[14:13] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Jonathan Carter's MOTU application
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jonathan Carter's MOTU application
[14:13] <highvoltage> hi dholbach
[14:13] <dholbach> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication
[14:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication
[14:13] <dholbach> hey highvoltage - how are you doing?
[14:13] <highvoltage> stgraber: ping
[14:13] <mhall119|work> dholbach: I was trying to run harvest the other day, but the install instructions didn't get me the django openID stuff, where can I find that?
[14:13] <highvoltage> good thanks dholbach, glad that the Edubuntu release went well (and relieved)
[14:13] <mhall119|work> oh, sorry, is there a meeting?
[14:13] <dholbach> mhall119|work: we are in a meeting here - can you PM me and I'll reply later?
[14:14] <mhall119|work> dholbach: sure
[14:14] <dholbach> mhall119|work: mail should work too
[14:14] <dholbach> mhall119|work: thanks!
[14:14] <stgraber> pong
[14:14] <stgraber> hey everyone
[14:14] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: please hang around though :)
[14:14] <mhall119|work> I will
[14:14]  * mhall119|work needs to get his ubuntu membership application ready
[14:14] <dholbach> highvoltage: your wiki page says you're interested in becoming MOTU and you need upload rights for ltsp cluster? which of them are you pursuing in this meeting? :)
[14:15]  * dholbach is confused in a pre-karmic-release way :)
[14:15] <highvoltage> dholbach: becoming motu, stgraber says I'm ready!
[14:15] <dholbach> ok, so you'd like to have upload rights for the whole of universe/multiverse?
[14:15] <nhandler> highvoltage: Could you please describe some of your contributions to things other than ltsp?
[14:15] <jpds> highvoltage: Is there a particular reason you're interesting in the LTSP stack? Do you deploy it regularly in your work?
[14:15] <stgraber> ltsp-cluster was basically his way of doing a lot of packaging, then we'd really need an extra set of hand for education related packaging
[14:16] <highvoltage> dholbach: yes, that would be ideal for new things we want to get in Edubuntu for Lucid
[14:16] <dholbach> ok
[14:17] <highvoltage> nhandler: in terms of packaging things that have gone into the archives I've only done a patch to include a manpage for gnome-open, so the ltsp-cluster packages have been my main area of work so far
[14:17] <highvoltage> jpds: yes I do, and I will be doing more LTSP related work very soon
[14:18] <jpds> highvoltage: Excellent.
[14:18] <nhandler> highvoltage: What would you do if you were to become a MOTU? Would you be mainly focusing on Edubuntu packages?
[14:18] <stgraber> ltsp-cluster was a good way to get into packaging as it's php / python and some scripts in a lot of different packages, some using cdbs, some others using debhelper. As his mentor, I though it would be a good idea to work on these, especially as he soon will be working with these almost everyday ;)
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: initially, yes, since there is a big need for it, one of the first things I'd want to do is work with mhall119|work to get the Qimo packages in the ubuntu archives
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: I'd also like to get some packages in for Guidalinex Edu so that they can use plain Edubuntu in their deployments
[14:19] <highvoltage> nhandler: my interests are certainly much wider than Edubuntu though, but that's where I'll probably be focussing on for the immediate future
[14:19] <dholbach> highvoltage: are you in touch with the guadalinex guys regularly? how well are we cooperating with them?
[14:20] <highvoltage> dholbach: we chat casually over IRC, we know more or less what they need but we haven't been able to really provide it yet
[14:21] <dholbach> highvoltage: is there anything you found most difficult when you were starting your packaging / ubuntu development journey?
[14:21] <highvoltage> dholbach: basically, we just need to make some changes to the edubuntu-menu work that LaserJock as already did, but from a community perspective we need to pull them in better into the Edubuntu project
[14:22] <highvoltage> dholbach: yes, it's easy to get lost in details, I relied on documentation alone for a long time and it didn't work out
[14:22] <highvoltage> dholbach: so the packaging guide would mention that you need to know make, and I'd spend a long time reading about make and related documentation that weren't really necessary
[14:23] <dholbach> ... depending on what you want to do and what you start with :)
[14:23] <nhandler> highvoltage: We are currently working on cleaning up the packaging guides, any feedback on that would be greatly appreciated
[14:23] <highvoltage> dholbach: I've found that it's much better asking in #ubuntu-motu and cool motu people such as LaserJock, stgraber, ogra, ScottK, etc
[14:24] <highvoltage> nhandler: ok, I have a printed copy from Lulu so I'll go through it agian to point out areas I had trouble with
[14:25] <highvoltage> ideally I would have done more packaging work before applying, but I think I have a good understanding of the processes and I wouldn't do anything risky or weird before consulting with anyone else first
[14:26] <dholbach> jpds, soren: do you have more questions?
[14:26] <nhandler> I am sorry, but I have to leave now. Hopefully, geser will show up, otherwise, we will figure something out in terms of voting
[14:26] <soren> dholbach: Nope.
[14:26] <jpds> None from me.
[14:27] <dholbach> [vote] Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?
[14:27] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?.
[14:27] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[14:27] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[14:28] <jpds> +1
[14:28] <MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[14:28] <nhandler> +1
[14:28] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[14:28] <soren> I thought we didn't have quorum?
[14:29] <dholbach> +1
[14:29] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[14:29] <dholbach> soren: we still do
[14:29] <soren> Oh, ok.
[14:29] <soren> +1
[14:29] <soren> then
[14:29] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[14:29] <soren> :)
[14:29] <dholbach> [endvote]
[14:29] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[14:29] <dholbach> congratulations highvoltage
[14:29] <highvoltage> YAAAAAY \o/
[14:30] <highvoltage> dholbach: *hug*
[14:30] <jpds> highvoltage: congrats!
[14:30] <dholbach> (sorry, doorbell rang in the meantime :-))
[14:30] <mdeslaur> congrats highvoltage
[14:30]  * dholbach hugs highvoltage too
[14:30] <czajkowski> highvoltage: whooo congrats!
[14:30] <highvoltage> only 5 years after I first heard of motu and wanted to join!!! :)
[14:30] <mhall119|work> congrats highvoltage
[14:30] <dholbach> mdeslaur: for your application, I suggest we send questions now and quickly proceed with voting over mail if geser or persia don't show up in time :)
[14:30] <mhall119|work> now I know who to harrass to get Qimo packages in Universe
[14:30] <mdeslaur> dholbach: ok
[14:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: I'm sure the Edubuntu community (and everybody else) will appreciate it :)
[14:31] <highvoltage> dholbach: thanks! and thanks to the Motu Council
[14:31] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application
[14:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application
[14:31] <highvoltage> I'll make your votes count
[14:31] <dholbach> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication
[14:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication
[14:31] <dholbach> mdeslaur: how are you doing? :)
[14:31] <mdeslaur> dholbach: I'm great :)
[14:31] <mdeslaur> we're releasing today!!
[14:32] <dholbach> :-)
[14:32] <mdeslaur> You can't see it, but I'm wearing a Koala suit right now
[14:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: contratz
[14:32] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I'm imagining it to be very fuzzy
[14:32] <dholbach> mdeslaur: I'm glad you're wearing something
[14:32] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[14:32] <dholbach> soren, jpds: questions?
[14:33] <dholbach> mdeslaur: what is your primary interest in Ubuntu development apart from general security?
[14:33] <dholbach> mdeslaur: are there contributors for the qa regressions tests?
[14:34] <soren> dholbach: No, I know what I'm voting :)
[14:34] <jpds> I'm with soren.
[14:34] <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, I would like to start working on extending my security involvement to authentication, and desktop lock-down
[14:35] <mdeslaur> dholbach: the QA team contributes also to the regression tests
[14:35] <mdeslaur> ah, of course, to make Ubuntu better in general, not just from the security side
[14:35] <dholbach> mdeslaur: it strikes me as an area that should get many more people contributing to it
[14:36] <dholbach> any idea how we get the word out some more?
[14:36] <dholbach> should it be easy enough to contribute?
[14:36] <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, regression testing is not something that people generally like to do. Although we ask the community when they submit security patches to test and possibly write qa testing scripts, I unfortunately have not seen any go by.
[14:37] <dholbach> is it too hard to write those tests?
[14:38] <mdeslaur> dholbach: not really, they are simple python-unit scripts. sbeattie did an excellent tutorial on them on irc the other day.
[14:38] <dholbach> maybe somebody could blog about it again or bring it up in some kind of tutorial / irc session again
[14:38] <mdeslaur> dholbach: I think the priority right now is to get people more involved in actually producing security updates for universe packages
[14:38] <dholbach> it's just too awesome to not put some more work into it :)
[14:38] <dholbach> ok
[14:39] <mdeslaur> dholbach: that seems to be the area that I think we could sum up some interest
[14:39] <mhall119|work> are there script templates?
[14:39] <mhall119|work> that might help
[14:39] <dholbach> mdeslaur: let's chat about that outside the meeting some - maybe at UDS over a beer :)
[14:39] <dholbach> alright, I'm done with questions myself
[14:39] <mdeslaur> dholbach: that sounds good :)
[14:40] <dholbach> soren, jpds: shall we "vote provisionally" and ask the others to weigh in via mail to speed this up?
[14:40] <mdeslaur> mhall119|work: there is a template for starting a new script, and the existing scripts are simple to understand
[14:40] <soren> dholbach: I'm confused. I thought you said we were quorate?
[14:41] <dholbach> soren: nhandler left in the meantime
[14:41] <soren> dholbach: I thought he left just before we voted on highvoltage..
[14:41] <soren> Ah, I see now.
[14:41] <dholbach> soren: nhandler still participated in that vote
[14:41] <soren> Yes, I thought he left right before. Ok.
[14:42] <soren> Errr... Yeah, I guess we can just vote here and let the others do it over e-mail.
[14:42] <dholbach> soren, jpds: opinions? leave everything to be voted on the ML or "collect our votes here already"?
[14:42] <soren> Actually.
[14:42] <soren> ..
[14:42] <soren> Let's do it over e-mail.
[14:42] <dholbach> ok
[14:42] <soren> We can all just send our votes straight away.
[14:42] <dholbach> thanks mdeslaur for your understanding
[14:42] <mdeslaur> dholbach: no problem!
[14:42] <dholbach> soren: can you take care of Marc's application?
[14:42] <soren> It seems simpler to have it all in onve place.
[14:42] <dholbach> I'm happy to process Jonathan's
[14:43] <dholbach> soren: just a piece of log or something, so the other's know what we talked about
[14:44] <dholbach> soren: happy with that? :)
[14:44] <soren> Sure.
[14:44] <dholbach> fantastic
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody
[14:44] <dholbach> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[14:44] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[14:44] <dholbach> thanks mdeslaur and highvoltage
[14:45] <mhall119|work> ubuntu.com is updated, 9.10 is officially out
[14:45] <mhall119|work> congratulations to everyone involved
[14:45] <dholbach> ok, sounds like everybody has some celebration to do, let's adjourn!
[14:45] <dholbach> have a great day and thanks everyone
[14:45] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[14:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:45.
[14:46] <highvoltage> thanks eveyrone!
[23:04] <bucky> ubuntu is the only distro that screwed with xchat to join their channel... how do you undo it
[23:12] <Vantrax> bucky try #ubuntu