=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === fader_ is now known as fader|away === mac__v is now known as mac_v === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === fader|away is now known as fader_ === ogra_ is now known as ogra === plars_ is now known as plars [14:11] soren, jpds, nhandler: ready? [14:11] Yep [14:11] mdeslaur: around? [14:11] Afternoon. [14:11] Yup. [14:11] yep [14:11] #startmeeting [14:11] Meeting started at 09:11. The chair is dholbach. [14:11] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:12] we're here for the MOTU Council meeting - this is an impromptu meeting as we did manage to have quorum last time - some folks were travelling [14:12] we'll have a look at the agenda of the 22nd October: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting [14:13] hey highvoltage [14:13] [TOPIC] Jonathan Carter's MOTU application [14:13] New Topic: Jonathan Carter's MOTU application [14:13] hi dholbach [14:13] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication [14:13] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanCarter/MOTUApplication [14:13] hey highvoltage - how are you doing? [14:13] stgraber: ping [14:13] dholbach: I was trying to run harvest the other day, but the install instructions didn't get me the django openID stuff, where can I find that? [14:13] good thanks dholbach, glad that the Edubuntu release went well (and relieved) [14:13] oh, sorry, is there a meeting? [14:13] mhall119|work: we are in a meeting here - can you PM me and I'll reply later? [14:14] dholbach: sure [14:14] mhall119|work: mail should work too [14:14] mhall119|work: thanks! [14:14] pong [14:14] hey everyone [14:14] mhall119|work: please hang around though :) [14:14] I will [14:14] * mhall119|work needs to get his ubuntu membership application ready [14:14] highvoltage: your wiki page says you're interested in becoming MOTU and you need upload rights for ltsp cluster? which of them are you pursuing in this meeting? :) [14:15] * dholbach is confused in a pre-karmic-release way :) [14:15] dholbach: becoming motu, stgraber says I'm ready! [14:15] ok, so you'd like to have upload rights for the whole of universe/multiverse? [14:15] highvoltage: Could you please describe some of your contributions to things other than ltsp? [14:15] highvoltage: Is there a particular reason you're interesting in the LTSP stack? Do you deploy it regularly in your work? [14:15] ltsp-cluster was basically his way of doing a lot of packaging, then we'd really need an extra set of hand for education related packaging [14:16] dholbach: yes, that would be ideal for new things we want to get in Edubuntu for Lucid [14:16] ok [14:17] nhandler: in terms of packaging things that have gone into the archives I've only done a patch to include a manpage for gnome-open, so the ltsp-cluster packages have been my main area of work so far [14:17] jpds: yes I do, and I will be doing more LTSP related work very soon [14:18] highvoltage: Excellent. [14:18] highvoltage: What would you do if you were to become a MOTU? Would you be mainly focusing on Edubuntu packages? [14:18] ltsp-cluster was a good way to get into packaging as it's php / python and some scripts in a lot of different packages, some using cdbs, some others using debhelper. As his mentor, I though it would be a good idea to work on these, especially as he soon will be working with these almost everyday ;) [14:19] nhandler: initially, yes, since there is a big need for it, one of the first things I'd want to do is work with mhall119|work to get the Qimo packages in the ubuntu archives [14:19] nhandler: I'd also like to get some packages in for Guidalinex Edu so that they can use plain Edubuntu in their deployments [14:19] nhandler: my interests are certainly much wider than Edubuntu though, but that's where I'll probably be focussing on for the immediate future [14:19] highvoltage: are you in touch with the guadalinex guys regularly? how well are we cooperating with them? [14:20] dholbach: we chat casually over IRC, we know more or less what they need but we haven't been able to really provide it yet [14:21] highvoltage: is there anything you found most difficult when you were starting your packaging / ubuntu development journey? [14:21] dholbach: basically, we just need to make some changes to the edubuntu-menu work that LaserJock as already did, but from a community perspective we need to pull them in better into the Edubuntu project [14:22] dholbach: yes, it's easy to get lost in details, I relied on documentation alone for a long time and it didn't work out [14:22] dholbach: so the packaging guide would mention that you need to know make, and I'd spend a long time reading about make and related documentation that weren't really necessary [14:23] ... depending on what you want to do and what you start with :) [14:23] highvoltage: We are currently working on cleaning up the packaging guides, any feedback on that would be greatly appreciated [14:23] dholbach: I've found that it's much better asking in #ubuntu-motu and cool motu people such as LaserJock, stgraber, ogra, ScottK, etc [14:24] nhandler: ok, I have a printed copy from Lulu so I'll go through it agian to point out areas I had trouble with [14:25] ideally I would have done more packaging work before applying, but I think I have a good understanding of the processes and I wouldn't do anything risky or weird before consulting with anyone else first [14:26] jpds, soren: do you have more questions? [14:26] I am sorry, but I have to leave now. Hopefully, geser will show up, otherwise, we will figure something out in terms of voting [14:26] dholbach: Nope. [14:26] None from me. [14:27] [vote] Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU? [14:27] Please vote on: Shall Jonathan Carter become MOTU?. [14:27] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [14:27] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [14:28] +1 [14:28] +1 received from jpds. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [14:28] +1 [14:28] +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [14:28] I thought we didn't have quorum? [14:29] +1 [14:29] +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [14:29] soren: we still do [14:29] Oh, ok. [14:29] +1 [14:29] then [14:29] +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [14:29] :) [14:29] [endvote] [14:29] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 [14:29] congratulations highvoltage [14:29] YAAAAAY \o/ [14:30] dholbach: *hug* [14:30] highvoltage: congrats! [14:30] (sorry, doorbell rang in the meantime :-)) [14:30] congrats highvoltage [14:30] * dholbach hugs highvoltage too [14:30] highvoltage: whooo congrats! [14:30] only 5 years after I first heard of motu and wanted to join!!! :) [14:30] congrats highvoltage [14:30] mdeslaur: for your application, I suggest we send questions now and quickly proceed with voting over mail if geser or persia don't show up in time :) [14:30] now I know who to harrass to get Qimo packages in Universe [14:30] dholbach: ok [14:30] highvoltage: I'm sure the Edubuntu community (and everybody else) will appreciate it :) [14:31] dholbach: thanks! and thanks to the Motu Council [14:31] [TOPIC] Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application [14:31] New Topic: Marc Deslauriers' Core Dev application [14:31] I'll make your votes count [14:31] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication [14:31] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcDeslauriers/CoreDevApplication [14:31] mdeslaur: how are you doing? :) [14:31] dholbach: I'm great :) [14:31] we're releasing today!! [14:32] :-) [14:32] You can't see it, but I'm wearing a Koala suit right now [14:32] highvoltage: contratz [14:32] mdeslaur: I'm imagining it to be very fuzzy [14:32] mdeslaur: I'm glad you're wearing something [14:32] hehehe [14:32] soren, jpds: questions? [14:33] mdeslaur: what is your primary interest in Ubuntu development apart from general security? [14:33] mdeslaur: are there contributors for the qa regressions tests? [14:34] dholbach: No, I know what I'm voting :) [14:34] I'm with soren. [14:34] dholbach: well, I would like to start working on extending my security involvement to authentication, and desktop lock-down [14:35] dholbach: the QA team contributes also to the regression tests [14:35] ah, of course, to make Ubuntu better in general, not just from the security side [14:35] mdeslaur: it strikes me as an area that should get many more people contributing to it [14:36] any idea how we get the word out some more? [14:36] should it be easy enough to contribute? [14:36] dholbach: well, regression testing is not something that people generally like to do. Although we ask the community when they submit security patches to test and possibly write qa testing scripts, I unfortunately have not seen any go by. [14:37] is it too hard to write those tests? [14:38] dholbach: not really, they are simple python-unit scripts. sbeattie did an excellent tutorial on them on irc the other day. [14:38] maybe somebody could blog about it again or bring it up in some kind of tutorial / irc session again [14:38] dholbach: I think the priority right now is to get people more involved in actually producing security updates for universe packages [14:38] it's just too awesome to not put some more work into it :) [14:38] ok [14:39] dholbach: that seems to be the area that I think we could sum up some interest [14:39] are there script templates? [14:39] that might help [14:39] mdeslaur: let's chat about that outside the meeting some - maybe at UDS over a beer :) [14:39] alright, I'm done with questions myself [14:39] dholbach: that sounds good :) [14:40] soren, jpds: shall we "vote provisionally" and ask the others to weigh in via mail to speed this up? [14:40] mhall119|work: there is a template for starting a new script, and the existing scripts are simple to understand [14:40] dholbach: I'm confused. I thought you said we were quorate? [14:41] soren: nhandler left in the meantime [14:41] dholbach: I thought he left just before we voted on highvoltage.. [14:41] Ah, I see now. [14:41] soren: nhandler still participated in that vote [14:41] Yes, I thought he left right before. Ok. [14:42] Errr... Yeah, I guess we can just vote here and let the others do it over e-mail. [14:42] soren, jpds: opinions? leave everything to be voted on the ML or "collect our votes here already"? [14:42] Actually. [14:42] .. [14:42] Let's do it over e-mail. [14:42] ok [14:42] We can all just send our votes straight away. [14:42] thanks mdeslaur for your understanding [14:42] dholbach: no problem! [14:42] soren: can you take care of Marc's application? [14:42] It seems simpler to have it all in onve place. [14:42] I'm happy to process Jonathan's [14:43] soren: just a piece of log or something, so the other's know what we talked about [14:44] soren: happy with that? :) [14:44] Sure. [14:44] fantastic [14:44] thanks a lot everybody [14:44] [TOPIC] Any other business? [14:44] New Topic: Any other business? [14:44] thanks everyone! [14:44] thanks mdeslaur and highvoltage [14:45] ubuntu.com is updated, 9.10 is officially out [14:45] congratulations to everyone involved [14:45] ok, sounds like everybody has some celebration to do, let's adjourn! [14:45] have a great day and thanks everyone [14:45] #endmeeting [14:45] Meeting finished at 09:45. 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