asacdtchen: thanks so much testing the security updates ...00:08
asacbdrung: prism chokes on xpi.mk for jaunty on below:00:10
BUGabundostill up asac?00:10
asacdpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386 /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules clean00:10
asac/usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk:75: *** target file `build' has both : and :: entries.  Stop.00:10
asacdpkg-buildpackage: failure: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 200:10
asacBUGabundo: yes ... utterly drunk ;)00:10
BUGabundothough so00:10
BUGabundodon't touch our precious code00:10
asacBUGabundo: so i am a well known alcohilic?00:11
* asac wonders about the brand reputation he built ;)00:11
BUGabundoaround here, yes00:11
BUGabundoyou keep stating00:11
BUGabundohow drunk you get00:11
asachow often do i say that?00:11
asaclike once every two month?00:11
BUGabundothat and how violent police is around there00:11
asacpolice i hate the most ... though its an obviously essential part of most societies00:12
bdrungasac: lines 75 is a comment: #                /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions directory.00:12
bdrungasac: xpi.mk has no build target.00:12
asacok so i guess we need latest mozilla-devscripts there00:13
bdrungasac: we have "build/$(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG)::"00:13
asaci guess00:13
* micahg was going to suggest that :)00:13
BUGabundobdrung: he's drunk00:13
BUGabundodon't push him to touch code00:13
asaci wont ;)00:13
asacjust saw that00:13
BUGabundono idea how he even manage to login :)00:13
asacprism failed when checking the daily ppa00:13
bdrungasac: you are drunk?00:13
asacsemi-drunk, yes.00:14
bdrungasac: that's my name :p00:14
asacmet a friend00:14
asacgood to know00:14
bdrungmy last name is spelled nearly the same00:15
BUGabundocwillu: hugs00:15
asacbdrung: you are right ;)00:15
cwillupoke poke :D00:15
asacok so we need to get latest m-d to our daily archive ... makes sense00:15
micahgasac: well, let's talk about it in the morning00:16
asacoh. ppa builders seems to be overlay busted00:16
asacseems our dailies didnt even make it yet00:16
asac7 hours ago00:16
asacnone of the dailes00:17
micahgyeah and 10 hours to build00:17
asacmicahg: right. check with you tomorrow00:17
asacfor the diligent hint to bail out ;)00:17
asacgood night00:17
asacfta: one thing ... my bzr merge almost got accepted \o/ ;) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/bzr/lp459276/+merge/1386100:19
asacfta: good ... night poke.00:25
* BUGabundo $ upstart BUGabundo down; upstart bed up; guud night guys and gals00:36
dtchenasac: np04:17
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markeyhey all06:58
markeyare the Chromium Daily builds currently borked?06:58
markeydidn't get one for three days06:59
micahg1let's see07:13
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micahgyep :)07:13
mistryniteshwhere do I post the error message that i got while updating firefox (3.5.5pre) from the daily build repo; any paste bin or directly?07:34
micahgpastebin please07:38
mistryniteshgot this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304098/07:47
micahgugh, it seems the apparmor profile is enabled07:48
micahgdo you want that?07:48
micahglet me find out how to disable it07:48
mistryniteshi am not a advanced user, don't know the use of this apparmor, is it safe to disable it?07:49
micahgyeah, it's not even enabled in karmic by default07:49
micahgmistrynitesh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#New%20profiles07:50
mistryniteshoh, did I mention that i am using hardy?07:50
micahgI saw that in the pastebin, but thank you for mentioning it, that's important :)07:50
micahgthe second box will give you the commands to disable it07:50
mistryniteshthanks, i will do it, but just curious.... does it matter if I don't disable it? firefox is running smoothly even after the update07:53
micahgprobably better off doing it since it was not intended for your version07:54
mistryniteshmicahg: thanks!07:56
micahghi asac, how are you doing08:46
asacgood ;)08:46
* mac_v hands asac an asprin ;p08:46
asaci was only semi-drunk ;)08:46
asac... lets check #ubuntu-release-party ;)08:47
asachmm only 35708:47
micahgasac: when I installed sqlite from security ppa, firefox crashed08:48
asacmicahg: hardy?08:48
asacor jaunty or what?08:48
micahgafter restart it's fine08:48
micahgjust during the install it crashed08:49
asachmmm. coincident?08:49
micahgI was wondering if we'd even be allowed to change the compile flags like that in an SRU?08:50
mac_vhmm , how do i get a cloak for irc.gimp.org?08:50
mac_vor is there a support channel for gimpnet?08:51
micahgasac: also, about m-dev in daily ppa, prism seems to be stalled, are we going to be adding anything else that requires m-dev08:52
mac_vasac: you are often on #gnome-hackers , right? do you use a cloak?08:54
micahgasac: also, can you look at bug08:55
micahgbug 460295, not sure if it's mozilla that would get the request or the desktop suite (gnome)08:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460295 in firefox-3.5 "No favicon in bookmarks copied to desktop" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46029508:56
micahgasac: I merged in my changes to ff3.7.head08:56
micahgit seemed to work08:56
micahgand ff3.7 is green :)08:57
asacmac_v: hmm. not so sure08:57
asaci sometimes join the channel08:57
asac... and then stay there till next time i reboot irc gateway08:58
asaci dont think i can get a cloak there08:58
asacmicahg: good question08:58
asaccould be on both sides08:58
mac_vyeah , some dont have cloaks while some do...not sure how they use the cloaks :(08:58
asacmicahg: i have to check the code what exactly is the trasnferrable that gets dropped on desktop08:59
micahgok, should I assign to you?08:59
asacmac_v: i would check with seb .... he probably is the one using gimpnet the most08:59
mac_vah , right , thanks :)08:59
asacmicahg: not sure. i think its most likely just upstream forward09:03
asacmaybe check if there is a bug yet09:03
micahgto bmo?09:03
micahgok, I'll do it this weekend09:05
micahgwhat about m-dev09:05
micahgin daily ppa09:05
micahgdo you want me to backport 0.17?09:06
micahgasac: ^^^..I"m going to sleep after I get an answer :)09:08
asacmicahg: yes. backport .... but check with fta tonight09:09
asace.g. how to get it in the daily ppa09:09
asacmicahg: i would thinkj the backport should be easy ... like just lowering version like 0.17~hardy109:10
micahgok, will do09:10
asacsleep well09:10
asacmicahg: see you back for #ubuntu-release-party09:10
micahgwhat exactly is that?09:10
micahgah, I'll find out in the morning...09:11
mac_vasac: btw what time do the releases usually happen?09:29
asacmac_v: early afternoon. i think we try to find a time where most users have the 29th still09:30
mac_vhmm... it is funny with the 'is it out'? yet questions on ubuntu-release-party ;)09:31
asaca bit funny09:48
asacthough its getting old09:48
asacwe have that for a few releases now09:48
asacneed new ideas i guess ;)09:49
eagles0513875hey asac i have a question for ya if you are not to busy10:57
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)10:58
asac!help | eagles051387510:59
ubottueagles0513875: please see above10:59
eagles0513875ty asac i know but dont want to bother you if you are super busy10:59
asaceagles0513875: by including my nick you already bother me11:00
asacso if you do that just put the question there11:00
asacas the distraction is already done11:00
eagles0513875:( sry11:00
asacso remember that and all is fine11:00
asaci usually answer if oyu ask real questions11:01
eagles0513875is there anything addon wise to bypass proxy server as well as hiding the ip when using firefox11:01
asacif not now ... later ... if i dont ansewr, just reask ;)11:01
eagles0513875somethign equivalent to the windows program called ultrasurf11:01
asaceagles0513875: not sure how that would work. either you must use a proxy in your net or you dont11:01
asacor its optional ... then you should be able to unconfigure it11:01
asachiding IPs is not possible unless you hide behind a proxy11:01
eagles0513875asac: this is my school11:01
asacyes. so if they require you to use a proxy, there is not much you can do ...11:02
eagles0513875well on windows it seems like there is :(11:02
eagles0513875but oh well no worries11:02
asacif its optional and they fixed the setup11:02
asacyou can probably just download firefox and install it locally11:02
asacthen use that to work around the admin having enforced a proxy (even though it hsould be ok to not use that network wise)11:03
eagles0513875i cant download anything11:03
asacwelll. in most cases (and if your admin isnt dumb) you just have no way to reach the internet11:03
eagles0513875need to try ssh tunneling i guess11:03
asacwithout proxy11:03
asacyou can do ssh tuneelling11:03
eagles0513875well i have a way to reach the net but everythign download wise is blocked11:03
asacif you can go out through ssh that is11:03
eagles0513875ya i can as i tried to ssh into a friends server11:04
asacyeah. then do that ... you could setup your own proxy on that ssh server11:04
asacso you just need one tunnel11:04
asacand then can set that as the proxy in firefox11:04
asaclike localhost:PORT11:04
eagles0513875need permission from my friend11:04
asacotherwise its a bit cumbersome to setup tunnels for each server you want to reach11:05
asacso at best put a proxy on remote server, and reach that through tunnel11:05
asacnote: if thats against your school policy ... just don't do it;)11:05
asacaccept that its the way it is11:05
asacor complain to admins11:05
asacschools should allow you to download stuff from the net ;)11:05
eagles0513875asac: could i use one port which isnt blocked and set all the sites to use that one port or via ssh tunnel or does each site need each of its own ports11:06
eagles0513875well mine doesnt which pisses me off11:06
asaceagles0513875: thats what i say ... you need to setup a proxy then you just need one port11:06
asacotherwise its bad11:06
asacand unfeasible i think11:06
eagles0513875so a local proxy11:07
asacyes ... local on remote ssh server ... then tunnel and use the localhost:PORT you tunnel to it as proxy inffox11:09
eagles0513875think will have to do that at home :( could i setup proxy on the machine i am currently on11:11
jdstrandasac: hi! where does this come from? 3.5.5~hg20091026r26497+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy12:23
ftadaily ppa12:23
jdstrandfta: so 3.5 is automatically backported for all releases?12:23
ftajdstrand, what?12:25
jdstrandthe firefox apparmor profile gets enabled but won't work on < karmic12:25
mac_vasac: why is this occurring > http://bradt.ca/archives/firefox-error-message-well-this-is-embarrassing/ , this happens when X crashes12:25
jdstrandfta: we already do:12:26
jdstrand   if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt 3.5.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 || echo "$2" | egrep -q '(9.04|8.10|8.04)' ; then12:26
jdstrand... <disable it> ...12:26
jdstrandlooks like we should add '(9.04|8.10|8.04|hardy|intrepid|jaunty)'12:26
jdstrandcan someone commit that?12:27
jdstrandand hopefully test it ;)12:28
jdstrand(it's in prerm)12:30
jdstrandyes, preinst12:30
ftai guess postrm should also do something12:31
jdstrandfta: the comment should probably be adjust as well. "It will also be disabled on Ubuntu 9.04 and earlier, where the profile won't work without modification" (or similar)12:31
jdstrandpostrm will delete it12:32
jdstrand(on purge). am I missing something?12:32
ftawell, i mean, drop the profile for those who got it through the ppa.. so it's probably a else clause in preinst12:33
jdstrandfta: are you suggesting we unconditionally disable the profile if it is installed via the ppa? that is fine for < 9.10, but >= 9.10 it would be good to not touch it if the user enabled it12:35
jdstrand(which is how it is intended to work)12:35
jdstrandactually, I see what you are getting at12:36
jdstrandsomeone runs 9.1012:36
jdstrand*then* upgrades to the daily ppa12:36
jdstrandit is enabled12:36
jdstrandthat should be fixed, yeah12:36
ftajdstrand, no, i was just suggesting to drop it for the user of 3.5.5~hg20091026r26497+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy at the next upgrade, you said it doesn't work anyway12:36
jdstrandactually, strike my last comment12:37
jdstrandthe disabled link is already present unless they removed it12:37
jdstrandfta: won't adding the |hardy|intrepid|jaunty bit add the disable link unconditionally?12:38
ftanow, postinst installs it if it's karmic and ff > vX. but maybe it should drop it if dist < karmic12:38
jdstrandfta: therefore, we don't need to touch postinst12:38
ftawhat if it's already there12:38
ftaoh, i see12:38
ftajdstrand, how come i don't have that symlink if it's unconditional? something else dropped it?12:41
jdstrandfta: a new install will have it. upgrades from jaunty and karmic before the profile was added will have it12:43
jdstrandfta: that said12:43
jdstrandfta: the 9.04|8.10|8.04 part was not always there12:43
jdstrandfta: so if you were on jaunty running 3.5 and upgraded to karmic before that bit was there, then it got enabled12:44
jdstrandthat was fixed for Alpha6 iirc12:44
ftasorry, i mis-read the code. it's just the disable part in postinst, i 1st thought it was the conditional installation of the profile along with the disable symlink. n-m12:45
ftai should read 1st ;)12:45
jdstrandno, the profile is always installed12:45
jdstrandit is conditionally disabled12:45
ftayep, got that now12:46
jdstrandwe do it that way so that the profile, which is a conffile, doesn't have to change to be enabled (thus prompting users on upgrade)12:46
jdstrandI think installing it on < 9.04 is fine. people can adjust it to make it work if they desire, but we must disable it12:47
jdstrandyes, for the hardy user that fixes the profile and runs dailies, the profile will get disabled, but I'm not sure there is a sane way to deal with that12:48
jdstrandthe main thing is ensuring the official Ubuntu package does not disable a profile the user explicitly enabled during a security update12:49
ftajdstrand, so that won't fix the problem you reported above12:53
jdstrandfta: ?12:53
jdstrandfta: if 'hardy' is in the version, it'll get disabled, no?12:54
ftai mean, daily users on hardy didn't pass the tests, so they already got the profile but not the symlink12:54
jdstrandyou are right12:55
jdstrandthat only covers upgrades where the profile didn't exist to begin with12:55
jdstrandfta: so perhaps add the bit I suggested (for < 9.10 users running dailes and upgrading), and then another bit for hardy|intrepid|jaunty12:56
ftaso they won't be able to enable it13:00
jdstrandwell, they can enable it, it just will be disabled again on upgrades13:01
jdstrandif you can think of a better way to handle the dailies, feel free to adjust and commit13:01
ftai can easily make it disable the profile only once by using a stamp file somewhere, it's better than disabling it everyday13:05
ftabut it's not perfect13:05
nanotubehey people! so i have a question - where does the ubuntu repositories version of firefox look for plugins by default? cuz there's stuff in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins, etc.13:18
nanotubeand more importantly than where it looks for them, how can i determine by a script where they are being looked for (i.e., maybe in some firefox config file somewhere)13:19
asacnanotube: firefox-addons/plugins ... or mozilla/plugins ... or or or14:01
asacvarious places14:01
asacits not in a config file .... the places are hardcoded in ffox code14:01
nanotubeasac: so i'd have to run strings on the firefox binary i'll find them?14:03
nanotubeasac: hrm that doesn't work.14:04
asacno ... thost strings are concatenated at run time14:05
asacthe places it lokos at are: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/local/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ... GRE_DIR/plugins (linke to xulrunner-addons/plugins) APP_DIR/plugins (linked to firefox-addons/plugins)14:06
asacnanotube: ^^14:06
asacalso it looks in your profile dirs14:07
asace.g. .mozilla/plugins/14:07
asacand .mozilla/firefox/PROFILE/plugins/14:07
nanotubeasac: well, "strings <firefoxbunary> | grep -i plugin" returns nothing, so even if they are concatenated, they are not concatenated with "plugins", apparently :) ?14:07
asacfirefoxbinary is just a tiny thing14:08
asacdo that on the .so files14:08
asacalso check all .js files in components/14:08
nanotubechecked all the .so and the .js files in components - nothing...14:10
asactrings /usr/lib/xulrunner- | grep plugins14:11
asacstrings /usr/lib/xulrunner- | grep plugins14:11
asacis one hit14:11
asacnot sure why /usr/local doesnt show up there ... i was pretty sure we look there too14:11
nanotubeasac: so, /usr/lib/xulrunner-xxxx/plugins would be the "first place to look" then? :)14:17
asacand mozilla/plugins too14:19
nanotubeasac: so when plugins get installed from the repositories, symlinks are placed in both /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, and also in /usr/lib/xulrunner-xxxx/plugins, right?14:20
nanotubeso if i were to look for a list of "all plugins installed", would one be better than the other?14:21
asacits a messy situation a bit14:23
asacat best you fire up mozilla and check what is visible in about:plugins14:23
asacwe will move to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins in lucid14:23
nanotubewell, so at this point, if i look in mozilla/plugins, i'm ok? or is there stuff that gets put in xulrunner and not in mozilla?14:25
asaci wouldnt rely on mozilla/plugins14:27
asacwould have to check all plugins packages14:27
asacto say that that is ok14:27
asacalso we use "alternatives" ... so there might be more plugins installed then actually visible there14:27
asacalso we try to put everything in /usr/share/ubufox/plugins14:28
asacbecause the laternative plugin switcher in ubufox needs to see all to allow users to switch to not active ones etc.14:28
asacanyway ... out for a bit14:28
nanotubeasac: thanks  for your help! ttyl14:29
ftajdstrand, asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/304337/ ?14:48
jdstrandfta: nice! I that seems to cover it well14:51
eagles0513875hey asac :) grats on karmic15:07
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snkiz I'm running chromium from the daily ppa and I ran into this bug http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=25768 basically chromium wont load plugins correctly if I'm running an openbox session but works fine if I use gnome. I know its not an ubuntu package but I was wondering since karmic is just out if maybe its an ops in ubuntu that could be the cause.17:38
jdstrandasac: fyi, I just upgrade ff/sqlite on intrepid-karmic, with ff running and it did not crash18:14
asacjdstrand: what bothers me more than ffox are all the rdepends18:14
jdstrandthis was amd64, but I'll certainly report back if I see anything weird18:14
asaci am not sure how to properly QA that :(18:15
jdstrandasac: you could ask the QA team for some suggestions18:15
jdstrandthey deal with SRUs18:15
jdstrandasac: but, to be clear, you aren't planning on sqlite3 being updated tomorrow too, right?18:16
asacwe could move that to -proposed18:17
asacthough i should upload hardy too18:17
asacwasnt sure what to do with hardy18:17
asacwe seem to use a too old version18:17
asacfor the other bug fixed (FTS3)18:17
jdstrandasac: I think -proposed is totally the way to go18:17
asacso let me just add the PRIVATE stuff to the current hardy version and also upload that to ppa18:17
asacthen we can push that to -proposed and let it sit there for a week or more18:18
asacasking QA team to sign it off18:18
* jdstrand nods18:18
asacbefore rolling18:18
asacgood plan18:18
asacthough the bad side is that i am on holiday for a week starting tomorrow :(18:18
jdstrandI'm here tomorrow18:18
* asac gest the feeling that this will be again a disrupted holiday experience ;)18:18
jdstrandI'm not Monday, but am the rest of the week18:19
jdstrandwe can let sqlite3 sit for longer18:19
asacok. i think we should just ensure that iut gets to -proposed18:19
asacand give QA team heads up that they need to sign that off18:19
asacanyway. let me go and do more poking on the ffox updates :(18:19
eagles0513875hey asac :) grats on another great release :)18:28
eagles0513875looking forward to getting my hands dirty on stuff for lucid18:29
eagles0513875asac: j/w when packaging stuff what is the best method if one doesnt want to use the ubuntu package naming convention18:35
eagles0513875but one of their own18:36
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micahgfta: do you have a special way to get mozilla-devscripts in umd?19:15
ftai just push it on demand using my scripts, but i suppose i can activate it in the bot19:19
micahgno, that's not necessary19:19
micahgwe were talking about updating to m-dev 0.1719:19
micahgI was going to push it myself19:19
micahgbut wanted to know if you had any special way, that's all19:19
micahgthe reason is so that prism can build19:19
ftayou can't push it to umd yourself, it's not owned by the mozillateam19:20
micahgoh :-X19:20
micahgok, well, than if you want to push it, prism on jaunty and below would probably turn green19:21
ftait's for my own security, i run that on my own h/w and a dozen people i know nothing about can push to the branches now19:22
micahgok, makes sense19:23
ftathere's no reason m-d should not be daily built19:28
micahgok, if you want to add it to the ppa, go for it19:29
ftahmm, it's a native package, lets see how my bot reacts to it19:42
micahgok :)19:42
micahgPPAs are back to being slow to build (long queues)19:46
micahgupload seemed ok though19:46
ftait worked but it's pure sync mode, no upgrade19:49
ftai guess it will fail otherwise.. no get-orig-source for native packages19:50
fta"A recent upload has resulted in 87  pending builds. " pfff19:51
ftajust umd19:51
ftayep, just 3 ppa builders per arch, the rest is busy doing something else, probably running the QA test suites19:53
micahgfta: pure sync is appropriate, isn't it?19:55
micahgasac: what kind of problems will this cause for us?19:56
ftamicahg, yes, but the bot does update -> sync/merge -> push -> cleanup, so update will fail at it runs get-orig-source /w or /wo local_branch19:57
asacmicahg: icecat?19:57
asaci dont think there will be many problems19:57
asacunless someone says we should also take care of that19:57
asacthough, yes. there is always the risk that icecat has too bogus patches and trashes firefox profiles etc.19:58
asacnot sure if they use the same profile path though19:58
asaci hope not19:58
micahgare they shipping their binary as icecat?19:59
ftawell, there's no much so far, they just pushed icecat 4 times to their ppa19:59
asacmicahg: yes i think so19:59
asacits similar to iceweasel ... just adds more patches20:00
asacdont know if they use xulrunner20:00
asacmost likely not20:00
asacas they patched something in the guts of image processing iirc20:00
micahgwhy not just grab the debian unbranded version?20:01
micahghow is this different than abrowser?20:01
ftait's explained there http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/20:07
ftaimho, the 2 changes they mention make sense20:07
ftamoz should do that20:07
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ftacan anyone play vimeo vidz with firefox? i mean, smoothly20:53
ftalike http://vimeo.com/577563920:53
* BUGabundo misses #ubuntu+120:57
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asacfta: yes. works with ffox 3.521:09
asacfta: also with 3.621:10
BUGabundofta: used to work fine on 3.721:10
asachmm. seems i uninstalled minefield21:11
BUGabundoI would test it21:11
BUGabundobut I'm on 2G21:11
BUGabundoand a very unstable one ;(21:11
ftano longer smooth in chromium either21:22
ftaevo froze for the 10th time today :(21:23
fta100% cpu, 100% memory in a few seconds :P21:24
ftagiga leak21:24
ftaunfixed for months21:24
micahgis it possible to be an active participant at UDS remotely?21:26
dtchenyes, but it's very difficult given history21:28
dtchengobby has always been spotty, and VoIP is craptastic due to the fairly rigorous bw requirements21:28
micahgirc comments?21:29
ftai confirm, last time, i don't even remember a single session using the phone21:29
dtchenjust kick and scream in irc and hope people look up if the irc session is even projected onscreen21:29
ftaand we didn't have irc-on-the-wall either (we had that in mountain view though)21:29
dtchenreally, your best bet is to get sponsored and be there21:30
micahgwell, I was rejected21:30
ftai won't be there this time21:30
dtchenneither will I21:30
dtchencorrect. I'm taking a break from Ubuntu development to regroup. This development cycle has been extremely stressful.21:32
BUGabundopoor themuse21:34
dtchenI'm not disappearing; I just won't be as active initially.21:34
BUGabundodtchen: you will be missed :\21:37
BUGabundowho will I nagg when my sound breaks?21:38
dtchenI'm not a single point of failure; there are plenty of clueful people :)21:38
micahgugh: https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde21:40
BUGabundoqt port ?21:42
* micahg wonders if novell pushed their fixes upstream21:45
ftai also had a xul-qt branch at some point that i wanted to merge into our xul.head21:46
[reed]I don't understand why people can't work upstream with us21:51
[reed]we've been asking for KDE people to help for years with Firefox21:51
BUGabundo[reed]: they are afraid21:51
[reed]but nobody ever offered21:51
BUGabundopushed aside21:51
BUGabundoetc etc etc ?21:51
fta[reed], my branch was just packaging the qt stuff from trunk, but it went nowhere21:52
ftai'm not crazy enough to code that myself21:53
ftahow could i track that leak? bug 46071021:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46071021:54
asacfta: reading code is unfortunately often the only way to do that for big chunks of software21:55
asacyou can run valgrind ... with leakcheck ... and stop ... and see if something related to attachment codepath is there21:55
asacor attachment data21:55
BUGabundofta: that's hggh code21:56
BUGabundolet me ping it21:57
ftalooks like it's in cairo21:57
ftaor in murrine21:57
BUGabundodtchen: are you still here?21:58
BUGabundocan you help PsySc0rpi0n?21:58
PsySc0rpi0nI need some help21:58
PsySc0rpi0nbecause i have updated from 9.04 to 9.10 and i was trying to set amarok ok to play sounds and i end up with no sound at all21:59
PsySc0rpi0nNow neither VLC nor Amarok plays any typy of sound21:59
PsySc0rpi0nI have a P5K Pro board that has an ALC883 chip and i can't make it to be listed in aplay -l command22:00
PsySc0rpi0nBut it shows up in lspci -v command22:00
dtchenerr, that probably has nothing to do with mozilla-based apps22:01
dtchen#ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-audio-help is better22:02
* BUGabundo joins #ubuntu-audio-help22:02
PsySc0rpi0nBUGabundo, send me to this channel... Notice that before i try to set amarok ok to play sounds, my sound system was working ok22:02
PsySc0rpi0nBut as i am new to Linux problably i messed up some setting when i was trying to set up amarok...22:03
BUGabundoPsySc0rpi0n: you may leave this channel now22:04
BUGabundotalk on the other on22:04
BUGabundoasac: stupid FF asked for restart after updates and lost my open tabs :(22:23
asacthat can happen22:24
asacif xul state is busted22:24
asacdid the restart automatically come back?22:24
asacor did you need to start it manually?22:24
asacBUGabundo: ?22:24
BUGabundoasac: it asked22:24
BUGabundoand I pressed the button22:24
BUGabundoafter restart22:24
asacbut did firefox really restart?22:25
BUGabundoI got an addon update22:25
asacor just stopped22:25
BUGabundothem empty tab22:25
asaci think addon update is the problem22:25
BUGabundoI think so too22:25
ubottuMozilla bug 361129 in Session Restore "Opening extension's home page from extension auto update window overwrites session" [Normal,New]22:27
asacis that your bug?22:28
asacdid you visit a homepage?22:28
ubottuMozilla bug 353592 in Session Restore "session restore (incl undo-close-tab) doesn't work after restart-for-update is aborted" [Major,New]22:29
BUGabundoasac: a 2006 bug ?22:30
BUGabundoand I complain about old Ubuntu bugs :)22:30
ubottuMozilla bug 490938 in Session Restore "Homepage (current tabs) settings lost during 3.0.10 upgrade" [Critical,Unconfirmed]22:30
asacpick one ;)22:32
micahgugh, we have a few in LP also22:32
BUGabundoasac: too little info is bad22:32
BUGabundotoo much is worse22:33
BUGabundoone would have been good enough :)22:33
asacwell ;)22:33
BUGabundoguess its known :)22:33
asacright ;)22:33
asacthough i think there might be more insight needed somehow22:33
BUGabundoill save my session before next required post-update restarty22:33
asacso the observation that this seems to be triggered by getting extension updates after version upgrade feels worth checking22:33
BUGabundoasac: I'm at a point that I get tired with pesty nasky bugs that last several years22:35
BUGabundowith little or no code improvement22:35
BUGabundoand get to the point that if I know a workaround I rather use it :(22:35
BUGabundoaka I'm formated into code development :((22:36
asacactually i think that i might even know what your problem is ...22:38
asacso if you upgrade extensions during startup, firefox will do another restart22:39
asacso you get a request to restart .... push it ... firefox would come up with the same tabs, but didnt open them yet22:39
asacwhen it finds that there are addons22:39
asacthen it restarts again without having restored the session ... and somehow that saves the then current session as the new session to restore22:39
asacwhich is then an empty tab ; )22:39
fta==8957==    definitely lost: 57,484 bytes in 474 blocks22:40
fta==8957==    indirectly lost: 38,184 bytes in 1,820 blocks22:40
fta==8957==      possibly lost: 174,848,047 bytes in 936,041 blocks22:40
fta==8957==    still reachable: 1,003,217,423 bytes in 35,401 blocks22:40
asacso much for the theory... but that would need verification ;)22:40
asacfta: did you use --leak-check=full ?22:40
ftaG_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly  valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full --num-callers=4022:40
asacalso you need to set G_SLICE=always-malloc22:40
asacand G_DEBUG=gc-friendly22:41
asacfta: i would use num-callers=1000000000022:41
asacyour leak is probably justa  tiny one ;)22:41
asacbut as i said. i think looking on code is the only thing that will work ;)22:42
asacmaybe reproducing the hang in valgrind will22:42
asactrigger a timely bad mem access thing22:42
ftait's huge22:42
asacso maybe try that22:42
asacnot memcheck22:42
asacbut rather just memaccess checks22:42
ftaand i bet it's in the theme, not even in evo22:42
asacand using debug symbols22:42
ftamost probably gtk2-engines-murrine22:43
asacyes. might be huge. but the code area where the attachments are done, might help to properly narrow it down22:43
asacfta: try to use a different engine22:43
asacdoes that help?22:43
BUGabundoohhh valgrind22:44
BUGabundoI miss that22:44
BUGabundoI used to run several of my apps with it22:44
BUGabundolots of mem leaks everywhre22:44
BUGabundoreported a few to gnome :)22:44
BUGabundobigger and mem devoraing apps are harder to test22:44
BUGabundostuff like pidgin that alone uses 1GB22:45
BUGabundowith valgrind would kill all my 4GB plus 8GB swap22:45
BUGabundo 5446 bugabund  20   0  992m 281m  26m S    4  7.1   5:27.36 pidgin22:45
* fta updating bug 46071022:46
BUGabundonot talking on logs with IO22:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46071022:46
micahg 5665 micah     20   0  768m  78m 8416 S    0  2.0   8:03.43 pidgin22:47
micahgbug, why is your pidgin using so much more?22:47
ftaasac, "--num-callers=<number> [default: 12]"22:47
fta              The maximum value for this is 50. Note that higher settings will22:48
fta              make Valgrind run a bit more slowly and take a bit more memory,22:48
fta              but can be useful when working with programs with deeply-nested22:48
fta              call chains.22:48
BUGabundomicahg: logs in memory22:49
BUGabundohuge plugins22:49
BUGabundopick one22:49
ftaretrying with --show-reachable=yes22:49
micahgBUGabundo:  why is your pidgin using so much more?22:49
BUGabundomicahg: I have more plugins on mine then pidgin devs even know about22:49
ftafound it, it's murrine_draw_progressbar_fill() calling cairo like crazy23:03
BUGabundofta: hggh said it would be cairo23:04
BUGabundoso its close23:04
hggdhfta ping23:06
hggdhbug 46071023:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46071023:07
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about noping23:07
BUGabundohggdh: fta doesn't like pings :)23:07
hggdh:-) contextless ping... sorry23:07
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about dontping23:07
asacbut i want to know what the ubottu factoid is for that ;)23:08
ftahggdh, what about this bug?23:08
hggdhdoes it happen with any attachment?23:08
ftanot all, seems like *.txt are fine, but 99% of the time, *.doc/*.ppt are not23:09
hggdhk, thanks. Will try to find a doc/ppt to check23:09
hggdhfta, BTW, how do you try to display them? Inline?23:10
ftaand i'm using Darkroom+Human as theme (in cast it matters)23:11
ftaI just unfold the attachment bar, and double click one of the attachments23:11
hggdhand -- since the bug does not state it -- what version of Evo are you running?23:13
ftai said karmic up-to-date in the bug23:14
ftaso 2.28.1-0ubuntu123:15
hggdhindeed. I missed this line23:15
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BUGabundofor those that don't know fta, he can sound harsh :)23:17
ftaBUGabundo, I'm a nice guy (when i'm not tired). I could add some smileys if you prefer23:18
BUGabundofta: I know you already23:19
BUGabundobut from other POV23:19
BUGabundoerr... you know23:19
BUGabundoI'm the same!23:19
BUGabundospecilly since english is not my main language23:20
BUGabundoso stuff gets lost in translation23:20
ftait's not mine either23:20
BUGabundothat explains it :)23:22
BUGabundoI forget your french23:22
BUGabundosince I only see you writing in englosh23:22
ftacairo_line_to() can allocate 1GB in 4 blocks, wooww23:23
ftahggdh, i'm done updating the bug23:29
fta8 comments :P23:29
hggdhfta, thanks. I still cannot reproduce, but I do not have a PPT. Could you send me one? hggdh2 at ubuntu dot com23:29
ftahggdh, mine are private (from work), but you can google for some23:30
ftai took all my traces using a simple 90KB doc file23:31
hggdhI tried with some docs I have, all of them went straight to OO23:32
hggdhbloody hell. I had to get to ms.com , and now ffox is hanging23:32
hggdhheh. I try to find a problem with evo, and hit a 100% CPU ffox ;-)23:33
BUGabundohggdh: at least you are in the right #23:34
BUGabundoits a MSFT virus :)23:34
micahgasac: I'm respinning my ff3.6~b1 build since they produced a new tarball23:35
ftaasac, the last dent i see in gwibber is 3 days old, wtf?23:38
BUGabundomine is ok23:39
asacfta: errors?23:45
asacmicahg: yes. you need to do build2 ... or whatever they used23:45
asacas tag23:45
micahgbuild3, yes, I am :)23:45
micahgalso, should I make the change that uses the unofficial branding23:45
micahgthe reason it uses official was that it checks for hg in the version23:46
micahgI'll show you the patch before I commit it23:46
BUGabundogwibber is tottaly busted23:46
BUGabundo*every* time I reply to a OMB notice23:46
BUGabundoit gets lost :( FAIL23:46
asacmicahg: check what was committed on 3.5 branch23:46
asacwrt to branding23:46
asacand cherry-pick that to the other two branches (3.6 and 3.7)23:46
asacmnost likely that was never committed there23:47
asacBUGabundo: OMB?23:47
micahgasac: that's the problem I think, iss it in ff3.5.head23:48
asacshould be23:48
asacwhatever is in that branch is what we want for the other branches imo23:48
micahgno good23:48
BUGabundoasac: Open MIcro Blog network23:48
BUGabundoi.e. from my brainbird account23:48
asacthast identica code?23:49
ftahggdh, the code i pasted in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/460710/comments/11 definitely look weird. what figure the moveto/lineto is suppsed to be?23:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed]23:49
BUGabundoasac: all posts via XMPP or web work23:49
BUGabundogwibber no23:49
ftaasac, "responses failed with URLError on identica 3 days ago"23:49
micahgasac: why was this done: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.5.head/revision/444 in /debian/rules?23:50
asacfta: killing the daemon probably fixes it?23:50
asacmicahg: that was done so that we dont ship dailies officially branded23:52
asaci think ~bX should also be in that filter23:52
micahghow do I do an or in this: ifneq (,$(findstring ~hg,$(DEBIAN_VERSION)))23:52
asacthe trick is like this: ifneq (,$(findstring ~hg,$(DEBIAN_VERSION))$(findstring ~b,$(DEBIAN_VERSION)))23:53
asacthe trick is like this: ifneq (,$(findstring ~hg,$(DEBIAN_VERSION))$(findstring ~b,$(DEBIAN_VERSION))$(findstring ~a,$(DEBIAN_VERSION)))23:53
micahgshould we throw in rc also?23:54
micahgor is rc branded?23:54
asacwell ... i am not sure what rc is23:54
asaci think its 3.5~pre ... fta?23:54
asacmost likely even ~rc23:54
BUGabundoasac: just spammed ^W dented you a few tests23:54
asacthx ;)23:54
BUGabundothe last on cross OMB will not get to you :)23:55
ftano, never 3.5~pre, as we s/pre/~/ ;)23:55
asacwhat about real rcs23:56
asaci think upstream has them as 3.5rc123:56
asacso we would have 3.5~rc1?23:56
BUGabundoit won't even get on my profile timeline ;(23:56
asacmicahg: actually i think there are no rc's as such ... its usually firefox-3.5+build1 build2 etc.23:57
ftaRCs are just tags, so it's 3.5~ for the dailies and we manually use 3.5~rc1+buildX for tags23:57
asacbut if there was an ~rc ... we probabyl want to filter that out too23:57
ftaupstream never used rc inside version.txt23:58
asacthats what i mean23:58
asacat least for stable updates the rcs are just 3.5.4+build1 build2 etc.23:58
asaci think for 3.0 they released an rc ;)23:58
asacso in hardy we had: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu323:59
asacand then23:59
BUGabundo 4783   0.03s   0.75s     0K -15.8M     0K     0K  --   - R  38% firefox-3.723:59
ftaasac, what do you think of the code i pasted above (evo)? it looks weird to me, i guess i should re-assign from evo to gtk2-engines-murrine23:59

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