=== erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [00:29] Hi All, [00:29] Can someone help me. I can't print. [00:30] I want to print from my server [00:30] My server has no driver. [00:30] It has a parallel interface [00:31] I normally CAT to it in Mac OS X [00:32] Can anyone help me set it up under CUP Addon Server? Please. [00:33] I can't print. [00:33] No matter what I try [00:51] anybody know if an ATi Rage XL is supported with the ubuntu server framebuffer? [00:51] my S3 card died [01:02] bdmurray: oh - I know where I got the wrong bug number while writing a release note. [01:03] bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/429781/+edit [01:03] Launchpad bug 429781 in eucalyptus "snapshots created in 1.5 do not get imported to 1.6" [Wishlist,Won't fix] [01:03] bdmurray: ^^ the title is wrong in the edit page [01:03] bdmurray: it says 'Edit details for bug #512078' === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [01:12] Hello All, [01:13] I can't cat to my printer under Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS like I can in Mac OS X [01:13] Any idea why? [01:13] Please. [01:15] I try cat file [01:15] > /dev/lp [01:15] I try cat file > /dev/parport0 [01:16] Sorry about the first two commands. Typos [01:17] someones: is your printer at your parallel port? [01:17] and does it understand raw files? [01:20] It is parallel [01:20] It is paralel [01:20] Prallel, Sorry [01:20] Yes. It understands raw files [01:20] At least via Serial [01:21] Hmm [01:26] kirkland: I have a book on raptors, looking it up [01:31] good evening - congrats on Karmic everyone - it has been a lot of fun for me to be involved in this project [01:52] My printer accepts raw files. [01:52] I can't cat to it. Can anyone help? Please. [02:07] jcastro: heh, thanks [02:07] jcastro: got a couple of comments back; looks like mystery solved [02:07] kirkland: oh? [02:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Redtailedhawkschertztex.JPG [02:08] jcastro: red tailed hawk [02:09] kirkland: I was leaning towards a broad winged hawk [02:09] kirkland: clearly we need more pics [02:09] they look awesome [02:11] jcastro: i'll post the scorpion i caught last week next :-) [02:12] insects suck compared to birds of prey [02:12] jcastro: dude, it's a scorpion [02:12] heh [02:12] but seriously get some better shots if you see them again [02:12] jcastro: will do [02:13] you gave me something to do while waiting to test a fix, heh [02:13] jcastro: http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/CIMG0097.jpg [02:14] camera phone picture, not very good [02:14] man that gives me the creeps [02:14] :-) [02:25] gaah [02:25] need help with getting iconv on php [02:25] do I have to recompile php to get it? [02:25] or... === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [02:39] is it possible to change a dm-crypt volume that currently uses a passphrase to be mounted at boot time, so that it can be automaticcaly mounted using a keyfile? [02:43] poningru, most likely, you just need to install additional packages [02:44] qman__, it seems to be an issue with getid3.php [02:46] iconv support should be compiled into php5 [02:54] In the past when I've had to deal with dribbling php devs, I found that when they said "php needs to be recompiled with foo" that translated in Ubuntu into "install the php5-foo package" [02:59] twb: ajmitch isn't a dribbling php dev. [03:00] ScottK: I don't know, some days I really feel like it [03:04] "See full publishing history" for clamav gives a long list ... [03:05] No worries, then. [03:06] i'm looking for a good tutorial on samba + drbd + heartbeat... [03:13] hi,who have install the Eucalyptus in ubuntu 9.10rc? [03:13] !anyone [03:13] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [03:22] ubottu: well... i need some help with samba + drbd + heartbeat [03:22] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:22] lol [03:22] hi,I can attach the volume to the instance.but in the VM I cannot find it. [03:24] LOLOLOLOL [03:24] omfg i have waited my whole life for that [03:24] ty edulacomadreja [03:28] lbsjack_: that's beyond me, sorry. [03:28] edulacomadreja: you still haven't described the problem. [03:29] edulacomadreja: presumably the first step is to install and configure samba. Have you done that? [03:30] twb: hi!, there is no problem yet... is just that i don't know anything about samba [03:30] Actually I'm a little puzzled as to where samba fits into your cluster [03:31] Are you intending to put together a cluster purely to act as a fileserver? That would be weird. [03:32] nope, i have a lamp drbd heartbeat cluster working without problems [03:32] and now my boss wants to install samba on it [03:32] Then tell him to go ahead and do it [03:32] ;-) [03:32] I don't think Samba needs to do anything special to work with drbd and heatbeat. [03:33] Samba just serves files from the directory tree, and doesn't care where they live on disk. [03:37] Hi, i am running into a problem with DNS (bind9) using the setup supplied with 9.10. I want to setup up a split DNS however all zones must be in a view and named.conf.default-zones breaks this. How much of a problem (current or future) will I give myself if I completely replace the current setup. [03:37] yes, that's what i thought but maybe there are some issues to take care about [03:38] Do the zone files live in /etc or /var? [03:40] the setup is out of the box, so they are in /etc/bind. I would prefer to split them up /etc/bind/local, /etc/bind/external, /etc/bind/slaves [03:43] There also seems to be an inconsistency in that /var/run/named rather than /var/run/bind [03:52] I don't know about bind specifically, but Ubuntu will remember if you modify files in /etc, and avoid deleting your changes. [04:18] what do I need to send mail from my server? I have followed the directsions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot to install dovecot but I still can't send mail. what else do I need? [04:19] Is dovecot an MTA? [04:19] I thought it was an IMAP server. [04:22] It is [04:22] ninnypants: Which Ubuntu release are you using? [04:24] ScottK: you mean "dovecot is an MTA"? [04:24] 8.4 [04:25] twb: No, it's an imap server [04:25] I see how my response was ambiguous at best. [04:26] ninnypants: Start with https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html [04:27] +1 for installing Postfix. [04:32] ok thank you [04:33] can post fix also recieve mail? [04:41] Postfix talks SMTP. [04:41] That means it can receive mail from other MTAs, and from SMTP clients. [04:41] It can't e.g. download mail from imap.gmail.com using IMAP or POP3. [04:44] does ubuntu-server support shorewall at all? [04:44] ninnypants, what are you trying to do? [04:44] I need to make sure my firewall doesn't block mail [04:48] ninnypants, assuming you dont have email servers running inside your firewall... is that correct? [04:49] ninnypants: the default iptables wrapper junk on Ubuntu is "ufw". [04:49] hehe 'junk' [04:49] ninnypants: shorewall is probably supported in universe, i.e. it gets second-class support. [04:49] poningru: I am of the "write the iptables-restore script yourself, wrappers just make it worse" school. [04:50] true that [04:50] twb++ [04:50] Yes, someone can probably use a wrapper without understanding iptables -- but do you really want your firewall configured by someone who doesn't understand it? [04:51] I cant wait till the next gen of linux firewall [04:51] it is based on bit shifting essentially [04:52] The other problem with wrappers is that every customer uses a different one, so I not only have to understand iptables, but ALSO half a dozen completely different wrappers [04:52] if {16 bits from the start is 0} then DROP [04:52] twb, heh [04:52] so stateful inspection [04:52] pwnguin, yes [04:52] or just packet inspection? [04:52] pwnguin, it does what iptables does already [04:52] ive no clue what iptables does [04:53] iptables just configures netfilter. [04:53] i can barely understand netfilter [04:53] but instead of doing it i.e TCP or UDP it bases it on different pieces of the packet itself [04:53] so it allows you to mess around with broken packets [04:53] look for next gen firewall in lwn.net [04:53] they explained it pretty well [04:54] i should write something to visualize iptables rules in graphviz [04:54] or [04:54] i can use google [04:54] http://jekor.com/gressgraph/ [04:56] Ooh, thanks! [04:57] how do I determin my mailservers class range? [04:58] What is a class range? [04:58] pwnguin: ew, it parses -L instead of -save output [04:59] twb: i agree, the diagram's ugly [04:59] There's a limit to what you can achieve with graphviz, because it's not pic. [04:59] But OTOH it works at all because it's not pic :-) [05:00] pic? [05:00] Let's see if gressgraph uses HTML tables within the nodes... [05:00] pic is a tool used to create box-and-arrow diagrams in manpages. [05:01] heh [05:01] i.e. it predates TeX's metapost and such [05:01] Which I have been too lazy to learn so far [05:01] i saw someone who wrote a box & arrow diagram to graphviz converter [05:01] Haha, gressgraph is a Haskell program [05:02] not sure under base configuration here https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html it says to change their example ip and class range to the class range of my mail server [05:02] you could probably write a layout engine that emulates pic [05:02] the example is 192.168.0/24 === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [05:05] ninnypants: that is CIDR "class C" IP range. [05:05] ninnypants: what it's asking for is the IP range of your local network. [05:06] do I just leave it off if I have a static IP? [05:07] No. [05:07] Do you *have* a local network? [05:10] I don't know the setup the server is hosted elsewhere [05:11] I can't really help you with that one, since I don't have a network diagram in front of me, and I don't know what you're actually trying to set up. [05:14] I was just able to send mail so I assume that I got it correctly, but can you explain it to me I would like to understand instead of guess [05:15] You just want a VM to be able to send emails (e.g. from smartd)? [05:15] You don't need it to relay mails from workstations? [05:15] nope [05:16] just a vm able to send emails [05:16] Then I would normally use msmtp rather than postfix. [05:16] What you have is a "satellite" configuration. [05:17] All it needs to do is send its own email to a "smarthost" mail server, which knows how to forward mail on to the actual destination. [05:18] ninnypants, now when you say send emails... [05:18] do you mean like from thunderbird? or other email clients? [05:18] what is it exactly you are trying to accomplish? [05:19] do you want an email server that handles sending your mail? [05:19] Mail is such a sea of ambiguity. [05:19] seriously [05:19] I have a hell of time explaining to people that Darcs' --sendmail-command doesn't need the sendmail project. === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [05:20] from thunderbird but I also need to recieve [05:22] ... [05:22] ninnypants, who do you have email setup with [05:23] your university? your internet provider? a gmail account? a hotmail account? [05:23] Hang on, I thought we were setting up a server. [05:23] twb, clearly not [05:24] If you're setting up a workstation, you can just do everything directly in thunderbird [05:24] (I'm old-fashioned and don't particularly like that, but it's quite common.) [05:25] you could send your emails in telnet [05:26] I'm setting up a server. I need to be able to send and recive mail accross multiple sites. guess it probably would have helped if I said it was a web server [05:27] ninnypants, in that case I would recommend setting up something like a zimbra or obm [05:27] haha [05:28] to make it really simple [05:28] I would recommend Zimbra to my worst enemies [05:28] twb, hehe [05:28] "Yes, please run a completely separate second LDAP instance out of /opt" [05:28] What could possibly go wrong? [05:28] so omb then? [05:29] heh [05:30] I'm not familiar with omb [05:30] twb, you would cringe at it too [05:30] though its not that bad [05:30] I don't know why you'd recommend a huge unwieldy mail/calendar/auth system if ninnypants only needs to send mail [05:31] ninnypants: but it's still not clear what you actually want [05:31] twb, here is what I think about zimbra/other huge unwieldy system [05:31] ninnypants, what specifically needs to send mail, from where, to where, what type of mail, to what end [05:32] in the big picture, what task is the mail accomplishing [05:33] if I were to walk into smb manager and tell him give me a server that costs 2000USD and a fat enough pipe I can set up an email server that can send email, do calendering, tasks the works [05:33] he would say... "what would happen to it if you were to quit tomorrow", "bring in a competent *nix guy" [05:34] "bollocks" [05:34] "setup exchange" [05:34] ":(" [05:34] exchange is no different [05:34] qman__, exactly [05:34] I need the web server to beable to send mail from email addresses under the hosted domains to email addresses on remote domains but I also need to be able to recieve mail and either forward it or have access to it through thunderbird [05:34] despite what microsoft would like you to think [05:34] exchange is a beast, and requires someone who knows the ins and outs [05:34] atleast zimbra/obm/citadel etc. are open [05:35] qman__, right but the mid level management doesnt know that [05:35] ninnypants, you want an internet site configuration in postfix [05:35] qman__, he also thinks that he can grab a mcse or whatever they call them these days off of the street and have him administer exchange [05:35] poningru, all you ahve to do is tell them [05:36] HAH [05:36] if they don't get it, either you're not explaining it right, or they're incompetent [05:36] qman__, welcome to the business world [05:36] it is most likely the latter [05:36] I don't work for people like that [05:36] qman__, you my friend are a lucky man [05:36] from what I have dealt with ... it is a nightmare [05:37] dont get me wrong it could be that I am an unlucky sob [05:37] just saying what I have experienced [05:37] there are plenty of people like that out there [05:37] but I don't work for them [05:37] I could be the exception [05:37] if they don't listen to reason, I don't want the job [05:37] I suppose I'm lucky enough to be able to choose my work [05:37] qman__, fair enough [05:37] ok I've got that setup but without forwarders/inboxes, and I'm not sure how to set up email addresses [05:37] ninnypants, create users [05:38] ninnypants, like I said you need dovecot or cyrus to check email through an email client [05:38] like thunderbird [05:38] not sure about forwarders, but to create email accounts, you just create user accounts on the system [05:38] make sure to change their shell so they can't SSH in [05:39] and yeah [05:39] but again my recommendation is using something like obm or zimbra so that it handles all of this for you [05:39] you use dovecot to provide pop3 or imap access [05:39] I strongly recommend against using something like zimbra [05:39] basic email accounts aren't that difficult [05:39] qman__, not for us [05:39] unless you need an all in one corporate solution, just stick to postfix and dovecot [05:40] qman__, I dont think a begginer can pick up and administer postfix+dovecot just like that [05:40] good lord it took me forever to figure out postfix's conf [05:40] ubuntu does all the work for you [05:40] it does? [05:40] you just pick "internet site" [05:40] tweak a couple settings to your liking [05:40] and it works [05:40] * poningru fires up a vm to test this theory [05:41] ok what types of configuration should I use with dovecot? I've got it installed and mailboxes set up in /home/user/ but I'm not sure what to do after that [05:41] it's not the most secure mail server in the world [05:41] but it's no worse than anything else automagic [05:42] dovecot, I'd disable pop3 and imap, and only allow connections over SSL [05:42] but you don't have to [05:42] qman__, you know what the sad thing is? cablevision ( a major isp ) is using a horrible old smtp/pop server from sun iirc [05:43] looked into it and found only about a million and one security issues [05:43] yeah, sun is rough [05:43] pain in the ass to use, too [05:43] srsly [05:44] I think linux gave them a proper competition that they are learning though [05:44] and I think under oracle they are gonna take off [05:45] the only other thing you really need to do from the default configuration [05:46] is get an SSL certificate, and overwrite or use links to replace the snakeoil keys [05:46] #ssl_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem [05:46] #ssl_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key [05:46] qman__++ [05:46] yes yes definately yes [05:46] I just generated a self-signed cert and overwrote it [05:46] and get the pub key and add it to tbird or whichever email client you will be using [05:47] do not fall victim to mim [05:47] once you do that, you have a reasonably secure mail server [05:47] how do I choose the "internet site" to use? [05:48] ninnypants, you do that when you install postfix and dovecot, in the menus [05:48] it asks you [05:48] I think you can redo it with a dpkg-reconfigure of some sort [05:48] sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix [05:48] ScottK, you dont have to do -plow or soemthing like that? [05:48] yeah you can do it for postfix but what if I'm wanting to send from more than one site [05:49] poningru: nope I've done the postfix reconfig a few times now [05:49] The internet site should be the mail server you normally send mail out through (unless you have a static IP, reverse DNS, and know what you are doing, you don't want to send it out direct.y) [05:49] That mail server will send mail on to wherever it is supposed to go [05:50] you could configure the others to send mail to it, or you could configure multiple internet sites [05:50] which is the right choice depends on your overall setup [05:53] how would I configure multiple internet sites I have reverse DNS, and a static IP [05:53] well, basically [05:54] if you have more than one site, with different domains or subdomains, you create separate internet sites for each domain on the respective servers at those sites [05:54] if you only have one domain you want mail sent from, you create one internet site and configure the other servers to send mail to it [05:54] what if they're all on the same server? [05:54] uh [05:55] if it's all on the same server, how are there multiple sites [05:55] using vhost [05:55] oh, you mean websites [05:55] I thought you meant actual sites [05:55] yes [05:55] then you just need one internet site configuration [05:55] nope sorry for the confusion [05:55] and you set up DNS to make it the mail server for all of them [05:55] ok then do I just set up an MX record in the DNS? [05:56] yes [05:56] now, if you need mail from multiple domains [05:56] I'm not sure how to set that up, but I know it can be done [05:56] you'd have to find a guide [05:57] do you mean recieve mail or send mail? [05:57] send mail from different domain names, receive mail to different domain names, all of those domains hosted on your one server [05:59] so being able to do that will take a different configuration than what I have now? [05:59] well, the configuration right now only uses the domain you tell it to use when you configured it [05:59] you have to add the other domain names [05:59] any idea how to do that? [06:01] this should help http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ [06:01] it's for debian but should work fine on ubuntu [06:04] the parts you need to be concerned with are "virtual domains in a database" and virtual users [06:04] that's really the only way to set up multiple domains on one server [06:04] does this look like it will be worthwile too http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html [06:04] providing you want separate user accounts for each domain [06:05] if you just want one set of users, accepting mail from different domain names [06:05] like, joe@domain1.com and joe@domain2.com being the same account [06:05] then it's a simple, one-line adjustment [06:05] otherwise it gets complicated [06:06] yes, that tutorial is the right thing [06:07] if I set it up as joe@domain1.com and joe@domain2.com and they go to the same account will I be able to tell if mail was sent to domain1 or domain2 [06:08] the messages should retain the metadata for that [06:08] but they will be the same account, not separate accounts [06:08] as in, one login gets all the mails for 'joe' at any of the domain names [06:09] how can i convert a dm-crypt volume from using passphrase authentication to mount at boot, to using key-files instead? [06:10] qman__, thank you for all your help [06:10] no problem [06:36] Where can I find bind9 error log? [06:36] it fails to start [06:36] Hopefully, in /var/log somewhere [06:36] where there? [06:36] I don't know. [06:39] Does any one know? [06:45] The bind authors probably do. [06:48] <_0verlord> osnap [06:49] <_0verlord> so with ksplice, should I still do dist-upgrades when new kernels are out? [06:49] !ksplice [06:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about ksplice [06:50] is ksplice ubuntu supported? [06:50] Never heard of it [06:50] its insane [06:50] in place kernel upgrades, no reboot [06:50] <_0verlord> pwnguin: yes it is, even for servers now [06:50] hot plug kernels! [06:50] <_0verlord> servers->ubuntu server [06:50] _0verlord: i mean by ubuntu [06:50] <_0verlord> pwnguin: hmmm, not sure [06:51] <_0verlord> I figured someone in here had played with it [06:51] i guess what im saying is, maybe you should ask the people you're paying the big bucks for help? [06:51] <_0verlord> It's freely available [06:51] where am i meant to find bind authors?! [06:51] <_0verlord> ESEDU: I'm sure they have a central project homepage [06:52] pwnguin: oh, THAT shit [06:53] ah, its only free for jaunty and karmic [06:53] LTS requires $$ [06:53] I meant ksplice [06:53] <_0verlord> ESEDU: https://www.isc.org/software/bind [06:53] <_0verlord> 2s worth of googling [06:53] me too [06:54] * twb boggles [06:54] http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/ [06:54] Someone would allow proprietary blobs into their kernel? [06:54] Oh wait, now I remember -- the ksplice guys have some kind of ridiculous business model [06:54] ESEDU, bind logs to /var/log/messages [06:54] how can i check the version of my bind? [06:55] I was thinking it was some punk just hacking code in between classes [06:55] heh [06:55] they're after the billion nines availablity crowd [06:55] ksplice only came out with jaunty [06:56] they may backport it to hardy for money, but it's only free for jaunty and karmic [06:56] still, you know what else is free? [06:56] scheduled reboots [06:56] I rather like ksplice [06:56] i rather like my wallet [06:57] rebooting my internet gateway is not usually an option [06:57] it will probably cause noobs who don't update their init scripts to break when they finally do reboot. or not [06:57] it only goes down when the power goes out for extended periods [06:57] if your internet gateway runs ubuntu, it's just a hobby anyways [06:57] pwnguin: FSVO free = gratis, or libre? [06:58] FSVO? [06:58] For some value of [06:58] gratis [06:58] Pfft [06:58] and libre [06:58] <_0verlord> This is just for my home server, I really don't mind playing with it [06:58] reboots are open source [06:59] pwnguin: I meant, is ksplice merely free-of-charge in Jaunty and Karmic, or is it GPL'd in jaunty and karmic? [06:59] Because just calling it "free" can be misleading. [06:59] twb: i think the code itself is gpl'd [06:59] but they offer a diff update service [07:00] Crazy buggers [07:00] you'd have to be [07:00] they dont even list a price [07:00] so you know its damn expensive [07:00] Hehe [07:01] http://www.ksplice.com/software [07:01] http://www.ksplice.com/git/ksplice.git [07:02] _0verlord: so what happens when lucid is released? [07:02] <_0verlord> pwnguin: I'll upgrade? [07:02] its an LTS though [07:02] * _0verlord shrugs [07:03] What's an LTS? [07:03] heh [07:03]