[00:30] <Legendre> what's the news on the 9.10rc - howzit working?
[01:20] <hormesis> i am a heron. i ahev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak. if u dont repost this msg in ever topic on irc i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans
[01:36] <InFy_> hello
[01:36] <InFy_> I have 1 small question
[01:37] <InFy_> When I upgrade my 9.04 to 9.10RC, will I be able to cleanly update once the full release is around?
[01:38] <InFy_> with update-manager -d or via update-manager then?
[01:51] <Animagladius> Ayayayayayayyyyyy!
[01:52] <InFy_> And the answer is
[01:52]  * InFy_ goes DING DING DING
[01:52] <InFy_> update-manager
[01:52] <InFy_> without -d
[01:54] <bshark> Hello, if my wireless card works in xubuntu full install, should it also work in a minimal install?
[01:55] <bshark> i want to do a minimal install and then add lxde and certain applications, but my wireless card needs to work to do that
[01:55] <bshark> and suggestions?
[01:56] <InFy_> just try it if you have time to spare
[01:56] <bshark> running out of blank cd's
[01:56] <charlie-tca> InFy_: the answer is yes, you will be able to upgrade cleanly after tomorrow
[01:57] <InFy_> pro-tip: I use 1 CDRW for my OS'
[01:57] <charlie-tca> bshark: no suggestions for lxde. Xubuntu uses xfce
[01:58] <bshark> my question is mainly about wireless support in minimal install
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Best suggestion I have is to download Xubuntu or Ubuntu and install it, then install the lxde desktop, perhaps.
[01:58] <bshark> so its not really a question about lxde, thats just what i will do eventually
[01:58] <bshark> i would rather start from a minimal install and build from that, saving resources
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Should be able to install the wireless card then.
[01:58] <InFy_> can you plug it to a cabled network?
[01:59] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[01:59] <charlie-tca> A few helpfull tips, perhaps?
[01:59] <bshark> not at my university, without paying for it
[01:59] <bshark> so i use wireless
[01:59] <charlie-tca> InFy_: I think, by definition, wireless means no cable
[01:59] <InFy_> you could start installing the minimal if you can hook it up to a cable
[02:00] <InFy_> and then install any necessary drivers
[02:00] <charlie-tca> bshark, take a look at those WifiDocs, before you disconnect
[02:00] <bshark> well heres the thing, the wireless cards that are supported...im wondering if they are supported in minimal also
[02:00] <bshark> i will look around
[02:00] <InFy_> yes charlie-tca, I'm using wireless atm as well, but my router, like most, can be used with cables
[02:00] <charlie-tca> That doc should tell you how to install it from scratch
[02:01] <InFy_> so how do you install a driver for wireless without cable anyway? :)
[02:01] <bshark> cd drivers i guess
[02:01] <InFy_> for linux?
[02:02] <charlie-tca> That, and you can download it before you start the installation if it is one that is not in the kernel
[02:02] <charlie-tca> I have three here that I keep on cd
[02:02] <InFy_> he said he was running out of CD's
[02:02] <charlie-tca> along with ndiswrapper
[02:03] <bshark> the alternative install cd, that allows minimal install is as big as the regular
[02:03] <bshark> or atleast nearly
[02:04] <InFy_> what HW is it btw?
[02:04] <charlie-tca> yes, it has most of the files on it, even if you do a minimal install from it.
[02:04] <InFy_> I have to wait for another 15 minutes to dl all the packages for my upgrade
[02:04] <InFy_> I'll help google it :)
[02:04] <InFy_> to see if it's supported
[02:14] <Animagladius> uhm
[02:14] <Animagladius> http://npshare.de/files/fe0339ff/Screenshot.png <<< Is that normal?
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Looks normal to me
[02:15] <Animagladius> Gnome? In Xubuntu? D:
[02:15] <charlie-tca> That appears to be the karmic candidate
[02:15] <Animagladius> Yeah.
[02:15] <charlie-tca> where do you see gnome?
[02:15] <Animagladius> It's using Gnome.
[02:15] <Animagladius> Everywhere.
[02:15] <Animagladius> :|
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Not that I can see
[02:16] <Animagladius> Wait what
[02:16] <Animagladius> wt
[02:16] <charlie-tca> I see the Xubuntu logo in the upper left, the Xubuntu background, The Xubuntu colors
[02:16] <charlie-tca> The Xubuntu panels
[02:16] <charlie-tca> The Xubuntu layout
[02:16] <Animagladius> They... made it look like a Gnome theme... to confuse me!
[02:17] <charlie-tca> load the Ubuntu image and you will a big difference
[02:17] <Animagladius> (Ignore my last few lines, I'm just so confused, I'm not used to this two-panel-layout anymore xD)
[02:17] <charlie-tca> I see nothing gnome
[02:17] <Animagladius> Yeah, me neither
[02:18] <charlie-tca> I will tell you it will pull in OpenOffice when you install from that cd.
[02:18] <Animagladius> It did last time
[02:19] <Animagladius> Any idea when there'll be the final?
[02:19] <Animagladius> *version
[02:20] <Animagladius> From what I've heard it seemed to me that the *buntus besides Ubuntu would take longer..., like some more weeks longer.
[02:20] <charlie-tca> tomorrow some time
[02:20] <Animagladius> Wow, awesome oo;
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Trying to get everything cleared through Quality Assurance now
[02:21] <Animagladius> I think I might even give Kubuntu another try before re-installing Xubuntu. I loved it when I installed the beta, but my PC's way too slow to make it look all smoothy and stuff :/
[02:22] <Animagladius> Ah. So you're from the team? o.o
[02:22] <charlie-tca> I haven't been around much for this cycle.
[02:22] <Animagladius> Ah, I see.
[02:23] <charlie-tca> But, yeah, I'm part of the team.
[02:23]  * Animagladius uses no panels at all. Awn + right-click-menu = epic
[02:23] <charlie-tca> I have heard that works for some
[02:24] <Animagladius> Wow. o.o I'd love to become part of "the team" somehow, someday. If I was just talented enough. :D
[02:24] <charlie-tca> Everybody is talented enough in one way or another
[02:24] <charlie-tca> We need testers, bug triagers, marketing, artwork, developers, etc.
[02:25] <Animagladius> Artwork... that might actually be something.
[02:25] <charlie-tca> We are a small group here, trying hard to produce something worthwhile.
[02:26] <Animagladius> Xubuntu definitely is, in my opinion. My favourite distro so far.
[02:26] <charlie-tca> Take a look at http://xubuntu.org/devel
[02:26] <charlie-tca> We try hard to keep it useable
[02:27] <charlie-tca> and we are dedicated
[02:28] <Animagladius> So am I. I guess.
[02:28] <Animagladius> Hm... I'll join the mailing list now
[02:28] <charlie-tca> heh... this is one way to find out :-)
[02:28] <Animagladius> Thanks :) Maybe there's something I can do
[02:28] <Animagladius> Yep ;)
[02:28] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:29] <charlie-tca> We welcome you with open arms
[02:29] <charlie-tca> I'll be giving one of the presentations at OpenWeek too
[02:30] <Animagladius> The OpenWeek is held over IRC, right?
[02:31] <charlie-tca> right. #ubuntu-classroom
[02:32] <Animagladius> Ah. Thanks. :)
[02:33] <charlie-tca> yw; I'll be seeing you.
[02:57] <Legendre> wow, Karmic is really slick =)
[02:57] <Legendre> I'm used to slick with *ubuntu, but it's even slickerer
[03:02] <Animagladius> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzpQrZo-TE&fmt=18 <- :)
[03:04] <Animagladius> Legendre: The final's already out? D:
[03:30] <Legendre> yes!
[03:30] <Legendre> I mean, no!
[03:31] <Legendre> I'm using the rc, it's fine-o
[03:31] <Legendre> wow, this chan is really slow, wtf.. lol
[03:32]  * realistik does a pimped-out cricket impersonation!
[03:32] <Legendre> I just got a new lappy, actually a used but new-to-me lappy.. and went straight for the 9.10rc
[03:33] <realistik> I installed beta a couple weeks ago and have just been updating
[03:33] <Legendre> Dell Inspiron 8600 - P4 (M) 1.5Ghz, 512M, 60GB
[03:33] <realistik> nice
[03:33] <Legendre> yeah, it was free...! heh
[03:33] <realistik> free hardware rules :)
[03:34] <realistik> much like Xubuntu
[03:34] <Legendre> owner had some WinXP Home disaster on it, would bluescreen on boot.. figured it was shot, haha.
[03:34] <Legendre> ain't that the truth.
[03:34]  * Legendre does a little dance, drinks a little water
[03:35] <Legendre> ok, well, it was beer. And whiskey.
[03:35] <realistik> heh
[03:36] <Legendre> anyway, I can report that the KKrc went on perfectly, including full wifi support, with no tweaking.
[03:36] <Legendre> I did install wicd, though, as I think it's the thing to have for wifi.. nice little soft.
[03:37] <Legendre> used to use wif-radar, but wicd seems miles ahead
[03:37] <realistik> I think it's still gonna be a few more years before I give up my network wires
[03:38] <Legendre> I was kinda thrust into it.. my gf/wife moved in, and she had wifi laptop, so I had to make it work for her. Then, I happened upon an IBM X31, wifi lappy, and it kind of went from there
[03:39] <realistik> Yeah, all my friends that have gone wireless have followed a path much like that
[03:39] <Legendre> prior to that, it was all wired, including my old lappy.. a K6-2/400 with pcmcia network
[03:39] <realistik> mmm...K6-2
[03:39] <Legendre> the big guns dood
[03:39] <realistik> I yanked one of those the other day that took a lightning hit
[03:40] <Legendre> another free hardware, so..
[03:40] <realistik> must've been a bad one, the floppy drive, PSU and CD drive that were in it were all dead
[03:40] <Legendre> this is one of the strong points of *nix.. you can stay 3-5 years behind in hdwe, and basically get the crap for free or close enough.
[03:40] <realistik> hehe yeah
[03:41] <Legendre> and still have as good or better perf than was seen when they were new, with Windows
[03:41] <realistik> I ended up with an eMachines desktop that my cousin upgraded from, it's got a 1ghz Celeron and max of 256mb RAM. I put Jaunty on it the other day for fun, but it crawled :/
[03:42] <realistik> however it has intel video on it so I may put Karmic on it and see if it's any better
[03:42] <realistik> (I'll still never use it for anything though, probably)
[03:42] <Legendre> but I'm so spoiled and lazy now. I used slack for like 8-9 years, then my friend just kept bugging me to try a ubuntu. It was all over after that.
[03:42] <realistik> heh
[03:42] <realistik> I've been running a slack box since '96
[03:43] <realistik> I use it for a router
[03:43] <Legendre> that's weird, a 1G celly should be OK..
[03:43] <Legendre> is the ram the limit, or?
[03:43] <realistik> Yeah, for some retarded reason it'll only take 256mb, it had 128 when I got it and I doubled it
[03:43] <Legendre> my work desktop is a PIII 1ghz, 512m, with jaunty.. and it's *FINE-O*
[03:44] <Legendre> goofy, 256m limit? Is it a desky or a lappy?
[03:44] <realistik> desktop
[03:44] <realistik> just low-end is my guess
[03:44] <Legendre> I find that almost impossible to believe
[03:44] <realistik> yeah me too
[03:44] <Legendre> heh, learn something everyday I guess.. wth
[03:44] <realistik> but I've seen several forum posts (googling) where people tried to get 512 in it and it wouldn't even POST
[03:45] <Legendre> that e-machines stuff was pretty janky, some of it anyway
[03:45] <realistik> yeah
[03:45] <Legendre> wal-mart special
[03:45] <realistik> they've come a long way from when they first started selling them, but they're still mostly crap
[03:45] <Legendre> they're still in biz?!
[03:45] <realistik> oh yeah
[03:46] <realistik> walmart made them a star
[03:46] <Legendre> lol, wow.. no idea.. I thought they were gone away like .. hotbot.com or something
[03:46] <realistik> hehe
[03:46] <realistik> hotbot
[03:46] <realistik> that makes me think of altavista
[03:46] <Legendre> yeah... and dogpile
[03:47] <Legendre> I just checked, there is still a hotbot..
[03:47] <Legendre> how sad, really. in the day, one of the better engines..
[03:47] <realistik> yeah, it wasn't bad
[03:47] <Legendre> that's before the mighty fscking G showed up
[03:47] <realistik> but once Google became a verb and got in the dictionary, it was all over
[03:47] <Legendre> ns
[03:48] <Legendre> last night, I was experiencing search overload.. So, I decided to try a /decision/ engine.
[03:48] <Legendre> it's just like a search engine, except that it sucks.
[03:48] <realistik> oh? I haven't tried ms's latest search offering yet
[03:48] <realistik> er...decision offering...whatever
[03:49] <Legendre> what a joke
[03:49] <Legendre> they are so desperate.
[03:49] <realistik> I don't know why they're so interested in having a search engine, the money could be better spent elsewhere
[03:49] <Legendre> "hey everybuddy, Google sucks - goto bing.com!11!!"
[03:50] <Legendre> because they are losing it.. Google mail, google docs, google calendar, google feed your cat..
[03:51] <realistik> Google probably has enough resources to feed my dog, but I'm not sure I'd want that to happen.
[03:51] <Legendre> goog will blow MS away, sooner or later.. or at least take a huge chunk of their revenue, via obviating things like office.
[03:51] <realistik> meh, Google's not doing that, despite what they'd have you believe, OOo is doing that
[03:51] <Legendre> goog has a good rep, and the proliferation of cheap b/w is on their side. In the not so distant, most common apps will be web-based.
[03:52] <Legendre> oo.o is wicked sweet, no args there..
[03:52] <Legendre> but when you get all of that, and your docs are accy anywhere in the world, and, and..
[03:52] <realistik> right
[03:52] <Legendre> just saying.
[03:52] <Legendre> cool
[03:52] <realistik> I'm not really a fan of doing my work on the web
[03:53] <realistik> If it's a blog entry, great, but if it's anything remotely personal, that's what I have a hard drive for
[03:53] <realistik> Some people don't care one way or the other, of course, and as long as Google (or MS or whoever) is telling them their data is safe, they'll be happy to do it online
[03:54] <realistik> Excuses them from the responsibility of backing their data up heh
[03:54] <Legendre> well, I don't like it that much either.. but I think this is how it will go.
[03:55] <Legendre> it's not like people will be verboten to run locally, and (we, the royal we) always will - to a large degree
[03:55] <realistik> aye, I've been reading it here and there since the late 90's, and it's been trending that way the past half-decade or so
[03:57] <Legendre> thing is, if you *trust* the web-based content/app server, it eliminates SO MANY of the problems that plague the average biz base
[03:57] <realistik> trie
[03:57] <realistik> er true
[03:57] <Legendre> updates, backups, portability, accessibility..
[03:58] <Legendre> anyway, we're far OT and I'm not trying to preach anyhting. Just that I do see it coming, and that is what it is.
[03:58] <Legendre> one IMHO
[03:58] <realistik> I don't know that we're OT really, since we're the only ones talking hehe
[03:59] <Legendre> shit yeah, we could rate the superhunks!
[03:59] <realistik> lol
[03:59] <Legendre> lol
[03:59] <realistik> it's been so long since I've been on IRC...such a shame
[04:00] <Legendre> you know, it's odd.. but I actually think that IRC has gotten better
[04:00] <Legendre> Ive been on since 1996 or so..
[04:00] <realistik> I dunno, I miss pre-timestamp EFnet, personally, IRC was more thrillnig back then
[04:00] <realistik> I started late 1995
[04:00] <Legendre> heh
[04:00] <Legendre> I was never an ef guy, missed that mostly.
[04:01] <Legendre> started on dal, moved to freenode and oftc
[04:01] <realistik> I've always been on EFnet, was on Undernet for like six months once
[04:01] <realistik> I never could get into dalnet
[04:02] <Legendre> you'll beat me with a sock full of rocks, but I used to op #windows95 on dal, back when it was a REALLY bizy channel
[04:02] <realistik> heh nice
[04:02] <Legendre> in the 95/98/ME days
[04:02] <realistik> Until about 8 months ago I still had an eggy parked in #Windows on EFnet
[04:02] <realistik> (as a favor to some friends of mine who were opping there)
[04:03] <realistik> When I realized that I hadn't loaded xchat in like six months, I took out the cron job for it
[04:03] <Legendre> up till 8mo ago, I was still using BitchX
[04:03] <Legendre> hey, how old are you anyway?
[04:03] <realistik> 38 today :)
[04:04] <realistik> the only console IRC app I ever used was epic
[04:04] <realistik> and that only infrequently
[04:05] <realistik> used Xircon mostly from 1997 until about 2005, then switched to xchat
[04:05] <realistik> pretty much gave up on mIRC when Khaled started charging money for it
[04:06] <Legendre> hey man, hbd! I was 40 this May
[04:07] <realistik> thanks :)
[04:07] <Legendre> welcome =)
[04:08] <realistik> So how come there's tons of Ubuntu sites all over the web but none for Xubuntu? Is it because Xubuntu mostly works all the time and doesn't give you problems?
[04:08] <Legendre> well, and most ubuntu issues apply to xubu
[04:09] <realistik> I like Ubnutu alright, but after trying Xfce I just can't make myself use Gnome anymore :/
[04:09] <Legendre> I never ran KDE or gnome, so.. wouldn't really know about that stuff
[04:10] <realistik> I've never liked KDE, I've always used Gnome and liked it
[04:10] <Legendre> I was always wm2 or black/fluxbox on Slack
[04:10] <realistik> I ran blackbox once, but it was too minimalist for me, I got spoiled on pretty interfaces heh
[04:11] <realistik> I've been curious to try LXDE lately but I'm kinda lazy
[04:11] <Legendre> but I like xfcea lot too.. it does enough, just enough
[04:12] <Legendre> speaking of OS, I think I need to see about nvidia drivers for this machine..
[04:12] <Legendre> is it worth it?
[04:12] <realistik> I install them first thing after a fresh install :)
[04:12] <Legendre> how do you do it? I've never....
[04:12] <Legendre> (on *buntu*)
[04:13] <realistik> Applications->System->Hardware Drivers
[04:13] <realistik> when I've installed Jaunty or Karmic, it pops up automagically after I install, which saves me the trouble of looking for it
[04:14] <realistik> I think they can be had from the repos as well but I wouldn't know where to look
[04:14] <Legendre> ok, I ran that applet.. it only offers one thing, nvidia lol
[04:15] <Legendre> just activate it, that's it?
[04:15] <realistik> yup
[04:15] <Legendre> DARE I?
[04:15] <realistik> Dare you? :)
[04:15] <realistik> I think you'll have to reboot
[04:15] <Legendre> okey dokey, let's see what happens..
[04:16] <Legendre> man, are all Dells so creaky? This thing is like a rusty drawbridge
[04:17] <realistik> Dunno, so far I've managed to never inherit one
[04:17] <Legendre> every time I move it, like across an old wood floor... wtf
[04:18] <Legendre> good batt life, btw.. at 2 hours now. Still says 68%
[04:19] <realistik> nice
[04:19] <Legendre> yeah, I kinda got lucky.. had to fix the optical drive, tho
[04:20] <Legendre> someone tweaked it while it was open, so it would no longer open. Too much friction, couldn't overcome the spring that pops it out
[04:20] <realistik> yeah, I have about 3 drives that are like that, it's a PITA
[04:20] <Legendre> people are such slobs
[04:20] <realistik> but they open just fine if there's a disc in it
[04:21] <realistik> that's what I've never figured out
[04:21] <Legendre> something odd happened...
[04:22] <Legendre> when I activated the driver, the sys got hot, started the fan.. and it's still hot.. won't shut off
[04:22] <realistik> hm
[04:22] <Legendre> just checked, FF is doing it.. weird
[04:22] <Legendre> ok, reboot now... see what we get..
[04:22] <Legendre> bbl
[04:23] <realistik> gl! :)
[04:26] <Legendre> ok, back
[04:26] <Legendre> well.... it seems to work, and glxgears gives me 10X the framerate as before..
[04:26] <realistik> sweet
[04:26] <Legendre> went from 510f/s to 6000f/s
[04:27] <realistik> gotta love that!
[04:27] <Legendre> fan is running again..
[04:27] <realistik> might put a dent in your battery life
[04:27] <Legendre> which I do NOT like, but we'll see how it goes
[04:28] <Legendre> sounds like I need to service the fan on this unit. It's a little noisy, sounds like it's a bit loaded up
[04:29] <realistik> I hate noisy fans :(
[04:30] <Legendre> hm, something's not right..
[04:30] <Legendre> fan is still running, machine is hot. Top doesn't show anything that would cause it.
[04:31] <Legendre> might have to revert it
[04:31] <realistik> that seems odd
[04:31] <Legendre> it is
[04:31] <realistik> I could understand if you were running WoW or something on it making it heat up]
[04:32] <Legendre> let me reboot once, see what haps.
[04:36] <Name141> When can I get the Karmic ISOs ?
[04:38] <Legendre> no more fan... but it seems like once I used the nvidia accel, the fan stays on. Acpi issue?
[04:38] <Legendre> Name141: I used bittorrent
[04:39] <Legendre> came in very fast, like 12-15min
[04:39] <Name141> Legendre: eh?
[04:39] <Legendre> are you looking for the regular i386 desktop iso?
[04:39] <Name141> Legendre: I can't use torrents with my sat modem
[04:39] <realistik> Dunno Legendre, I have no experience with *buntu on laptops
[04:40] <Name141> I'm looking for the 'gold', 'final', whatever release not a RC , Beta, etc
[04:40] <Legendre> Name141: oh, that stinks. then just use the d/l link from xubuntu site. do you need a link to it?
[04:40] <Name141> It is already out ?
[04:40] <Legendre> there is no final, it's just rc at the moment
[04:40] <realistik> No
[04:40] <Name141> oh.
[04:41] <realistik> Not that you'd know hehe
[04:41] <Legendre> but get the rc, at most, you'll just have a few more updates to d/l
[04:41] <Name141> I assume it wont come out within the next hour, so I'm screwed another day.
[04:41] <realistik> There's #ubuntu-release-party if you wanna wait
[04:41] <Name141> My unlimited time is 2-6 AM
[04:41] <Name141> er.. 1-6
[04:41] <Name141> the rest I'm capped bandwidth
[04:41] <Legendre> SO, get the rc.. it works fine..
[04:41] <realistik> ouch
[04:42] <Name141> Legendre: I'm just wanting to download it to see if it will work , or they have fixed what is wrong in Intrepid, and Jaunty
[04:42] <realistik> but Legendre's right, just get the RC and let it update
[04:42] <Name141> OK.
[04:42] <Name141> I suppose I can put it on a flash drive , the ISO that is?
[04:42] <Name141> Somehow
[04:42] <Name141> so I don't waste a DVD/CD-R
[04:42] <realistik> I installed the beta over a Jaunty install a couple weeks back and have just been letting it update, had no real problems
[04:43] <Legendre> I used a CD-RR =)
[04:43] <realistik> heh yeah I used a CDRW :)
[04:43] <Legendre> err, CD re-writable
[04:43] <Name141> The problem is the e1000e module doesn't work with the new kernels that was in intrepid
[04:43] <realistik> I only have one of them, have been using it for about 4 years
[04:43] <Name141> and it didn't work in Jaunty either
[04:43] <Legendre> an old 4X CompUSA brand disc, from like 1998
[04:43] <Name141> so I'm not getting my hopes up for Karmic
[04:43] <Name141> I might buy a new NIC .. if I want to get off of windows for good
[04:44] <Legendre> well a new nic is like what, $5?
[04:44] <realistik> ah, dunno anything about that, Name141, I mostly use onboard ethernet nowadays
[04:44] <Name141> yeah, but it worked perfect in Hardy
[04:44] <Name141> realistik: it is
[04:44] <Legendre> used 3com 3c905 =)
[04:44] <Name141> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
[04:44] <Name141> "Status:  	 ASSIGNED "
[04:44] <Name141> So I'm guessing it's still broke
[04:45] <realistik> I'm trying to remember how many years since I used a 3com NIC
[04:45] <Legendre> feck, I'll SEND you a new 10/100 nic lol
[04:45] <Legendre> brb, cat is crazy
[04:45] <Name141> lol.  Send it on :o
[04:48] <Name141> get a trap
[04:49] <realistik> There are times when I think lazy dogs are actually better than cats. Those times pass, but they come around more and more often the older I get.
[04:50] <Name141> It's stupid that I have to pay to get the cats put down that show up in the yard
[04:50] <Name141> So I just find nice places for them to go to
[04:50] <Name141> like they did me
[04:51] <realistik> wow, why would you have to pay to kill cats that aren't even yours?
[04:51] <Name141> that's how the local pound works
[04:51] <realistik> weak
[04:51] <Name141> you bring in a cat, it's 'yours'
[04:52] <realistik> we recently got rid of a bad rash of strays around here
[04:52] <realistik> some volunteers helped with the trapping
[04:52] <realistik> and did all the relocation
[04:52] <Name141> They don't even have a free spay and nuder program
[04:52] <Legendre> are you out in the sticks?
[04:52] <Name141> Yes
[04:52] <Legendre> ah ok...
[04:52] <Name141> The sheriffs office said just shoot'em and cover'em up
[04:52] <Legendre> so.. why not put them down yourself?
[04:52] <Legendre> yeah, exactly.
[04:52] <Name141> I don't think a SPCA would agree
[04:53] <realistik> they totally wouldn't
[04:53] <Name141> and I don't want charges
[04:53] <Legendre> then let them pay for it
[04:53] <realistik> but I don't see them lining up to take care of the problem, either
[04:53] <Name141> yeah and the problem is getting worse with the new females growing to be full size
[04:53] <Legendre> I read something CRAZY a month ago.. the state of MN says that there are around 700,000 feral cats in the 7-county metro area
[04:53] <realistik> ProTip: Newborn kittens are the best bait to put in a trap
[04:54] <Legendre> that
[04:54] <Legendre> that's almost unbelieveable
[04:54] <realistik> that's insane
[04:54] <realistik> Did they also say that they weren't doing anything about it?
[04:54] <Legendre> even if they're off by half, it's still mad!
[04:54] <Name141> plus I don't really wanna kill cats :-/ , although there are many skunks around here.. and if something gets rabis.. everything's gotta be shot
[04:55] <Name141> and I don't want the ones we actually care for to have to be put out
[04:55] <Legendre> Name141: whereabouts do ya live?
[04:55] <realistik> Yeah, I'm not a big fan of killing cats, but I don't think 80 of them that I have nothing to do with need to live in my yard.
[04:55]  * Name141 sighs
[04:55] <Name141> North east Texas
[04:55] <Legendre> oh ok. I was down in Dallas last week
[04:55] <realistik> lol no way, where? I'm in Longview
[04:55] <Name141> lol
[04:55] <Legendre> n. dallas, mostly..
[04:56] <Name141> realistik: Lets just say I got some good hotlinks
[04:56] <realistik> word
[04:56] <Name141> er.. I think we should take this to an off topic joint
[04:56] <Name141> :p
[04:56] <Legendre> anyway, you're from TX, so you have plenty of guns.
[04:56] <Legendre> lol
[04:56] <realistik> :)
[04:57] <realistik> I think it's a law.
[04:57] <Legendre> ns, lol
[04:57] <Legendre> my wife is from TX, she has more of them than I do..
[04:57] <realistik> Plus we have drive-thru liquor stores
[04:57] <realistik> It's a totally winning combination
[04:58] <Legendre> alcohol and night swimming!
[04:58] <realistik> hehe
[04:58] <Name141> Mr. J's is one of those
[04:58] <Legendre> either of you guys have AKs?
[04:59] <realistik> nah
[04:59] <Legendre> I build those things, for fun und profit
[04:59] <realistik> my friend built an AR-15 a few years back when we were doing a bunch of shooting
[04:59] <realistik> and I have a friend that collects WWII-era military gnus
[04:59] <realistik> er guns
[04:59] <Legendre> that's cool, I like the WWII arms also
[05:00] <Name141> got any NAZI stuff?
[05:00] <Legendre> and the cold war arms
[05:00] <Legendre> I have Hitler's canoe
[05:00] <realistik> I think most of the stuff he has now is Russian, Name
[05:01] <Legendre> my grandpa took that canoe off a dead nazi
[05:01] <Name141> LOL.
[05:01] <realistik> hehe
[05:04] <Legendre> hey, how do you do a r-click on a synaptics pad?
[05:04] <Legendre> I forgetz
[05:04] <realistik> *shrug*
[05:04] <Animagladius_> Night
[05:04] <realistik> Night
[05:04] <Legendre> nighty
[05:11] <realistik> I think I'm gonna bail too, guys, nice talking to you, take it easy :)
[06:10] <stroke> Hi
[06:11] <stroke> Uhmm I was wondering me if some could help me get dockbarx runnign on xubuntu
[06:21] <sutur> Hi folks. I've got an 8GB USB memory stick. Would it be faster to install xubuntu on that, rather than using the hard disk? Seems like HDD is a huge bottleneck...
[06:21] <sutur> Uhm, regarding boot times, application load times etc...
[06:28] <Balsaq> can xubuntu run wireless?
[06:53] <raevol> oh man
[06:53] <raevol> how long till 9.10 is live :D
[06:54] <Name141> Good question, I got only 4 hours of download time left before I am capped at 400 MBs per 24 hours
[06:54] <Name141> so it looks like it' going to be another day for me
[06:54] <Name141> it's
[06:54] <raevol> :[
[06:56] <locky> is there anyway i can control the volume in xubuntu 9.04 with the volume control dial on the front of my laptop
[06:56] <locky> ?
[07:29] <raevol> will 9.10 karmic be available about the same time as normal ubuntu? or later?
[07:32] <Sysi> why not
[07:32] <_Techie_> i would think so
[07:32] <raevol> cool
[07:33] <_Techie_> hey Sysi, do you know if the other architectures will release simultaneously or whill they follow shortly after?
[07:33] <_Techie_> will*
[07:34] <Sysi> no i don't know
[07:34] <_Techie_> kk
[07:34] <_Techie_> for my sake i hope it isnt too long before karmic is out for PPC
[08:11]  * Avash_sir greets everyone hello
[08:12]  * _Techie_ waves at Avash_sir 
[08:12] <Avash_sir> _Techie_, hello sir
[08:12] <_Techie_> may i be of assistance?
[08:13] <Avash_sir> _Techie_, nah, i was just testing my  new nick
[08:14] <_Techie_> cool, ill leave you to it then
[08:20] <MaxFrames> hello
[08:21] <MaxFrames> will I have to update my repositories to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10, or will it be enough to use the update manager?
[08:24] <MaxFrames> make up your mind...
[08:27] <Sysi> ialsocanhazit: please don't nickflood
[08:27] <ialsocanhazit> ok
[08:57] <_Techie_> ello Balsaq
[08:58] <Balsaq> yellow _Techie_
[08:58] <Balsaq> got rid of that beep...
[08:58] <_Techie_> k
[11:17] <Bear10_> While installing xubuntu, it locks up / freezes at 64% where it does configuring python 2.6, any ideas?
[12:56] <Tesssa> anyone tell me when version 9.10 will be out supposed to be taday
[13:01] <tavasti> Tesssa, join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:08] <raevol> it's madness
[13:15] <Guest23131> hello
[14:08] <mauroxan> hola
[14:09] <charlie-tca> Welcome
[14:10] <mauroxan> gracias
[14:35] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all!
[14:43] <SiDi> Does anyone have the .torrent file for Xubuntu 9.10 final?
[14:46] <likemindead> Haven't seen it yet, SiDi.
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 9.10 is Officially out! The servers may be slow downloading at this time. Please use torrent downloads if you can.
[14:48] <SiDi> ok, got 'em
[14:48] <SiDi> will be seeding soon
[14:54] <berhow> is 9.10 out
[14:54] <berhow> i think so
[14:54] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:54] <berhow> so are the torrents updated and whatnot on     gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 976b5901365c5ca1 gpg --export --armor 976b5901365c5ca1 | sudo apt-key add -
[14:55] <berhow> rather
[14:55] <berhow> updated on here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ ?
[14:55] <charlie-tca> I don't have those keys, but the torrents should be up to date
[14:56] <charlie-tca> The mirrors are updated
[14:57] <berhow> ok thanks charlie-tca, i didn't want to start seeding the rc or anything
[14:59] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:01] <rr72> how do you statrt seeding w/o downloading if you have the iso?
[15:01] <rr72> yes i checksumed it
[15:01] <rr72> hey yeah cody-somerville
[15:05] <rr72> how do I seed if I have the downloaded isos? but I dl them seperately
[15:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to do that. I stay away from torrents and use rsync here
[15:07] <rr72> i wanted to give back to the project by contributing bandwidth but idk how
[15:10] <berhow> just put the iso in the same directory your torrent will download to
[15:10] <berhow> then start the torrent
[15:10] <rr72> ok
[15:10] <berhow> make sure the file names are the same for the torrent you're using
[15:10] <berhow> then start the torrent
[15:11] <berhow> your program should check the hash and if it's the same you'll start seeding
[15:11] <rr72> ok, waiting for the dl to finish ina min
[15:11] <rr72> ty berhow
[15:11] <berhow> you're welcome
[15:19] <rr72> i just recheck / verify torrent and didnt need to close it :-D
[15:19] <rr72> now seeding alt 64
[15:38] <kromar> hi
[15:38] <kromar> if i do a new installation of 9.10 will grub2 be installed as well?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:39] <charlie-tca> grub2 is the default for 9.10
[15:39] <kromar> ok, any easy way to install grub2 after an upgrade?
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Check the release notes, I think it tells how
[15:40] <kromar> ah yes found it already:D
[15:41] <kromar> but i think im gona do a fresh install anyway, maybe the sound muting problem gets fixed with it:O
[15:42] <charlie-tca> sound muting?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> You have pulseaudio installed?
[15:42] <kromar> well every time i reboot the sound is muted
[15:42] <kromar> not sure if i have pulseaudio installed
[15:43] <charlie-tca> You do. That makes it mute
[15:43] <kromar> it apeared first when i upgraded to 9.04 on my desktop and on my laptop
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Simple fix is to remove pulse audio
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Did you have ubuntu installed first?
[15:43] <kromar> no i always had xubuntu installed
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Okay, use synaptic Package Manager to remove pulseaudio, it will quit muting
[15:56] <kromar> just removed pulseaudio on my laptop and it looks like that fixed the muting problem, tahnks a lot
[16:00] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:06] <kromar1> hi, is it possible to limit the download upload speed per system?
[19:06] <maddy83> hi folks, love the new 9.10
[19:07] <Axius> Where can i find a torrent to downlaos xubuntu 9.10?
[19:07] <Axius> Where can i find a torrent to downlaod xubuntu 9.10?
[19:07] <knome> maddy83, mukava kuulla :) what in particular do you like in it?
[19:08] <maddy83> well, it looks pretty good, and it's pretty fast
[19:08] <Sysi> how manu finns here are? :o
[19:09] <Sysi> download pages are soo jammed
[19:11] <maddy83> torrent works good
[19:11] <Sysi> no but site to get it
[19:11] <Sysi> i took yesterday daily :)
[19:12] <Sysi> bad broadband for seeding :/
[19:13] <Axius> maddy83, Do you know a torrent site to xubuntu from?
[19:13] <Axius> maddy83, Do you know a torrent site to get xubuntu from?
[19:14] <maddy83> did you try the official mirrors?
[19:15] <maddy83> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage-xubuntu/releases/9.10/release/
[19:15] <maddy83> there is torrents
[19:16] <Axius> maddy83, thanks!
[19:17] <ericchaves> Hi folks, Could someone point me the way to move from ubuntu to xubuntu? I've google around and found from simple instructions to some complex ones, and that made me unsecure regading the safest process to do it.
[19:18] <Sysi> ericchaves: install xubuntu-desktop
[19:19] <Sysi> and in login screen choose xfce instead of gnome
[19:20] <sudobash> the ubuntu ops are all dick heads...
[19:20] <ericchaves> Sysi: and after that how do I uninstall the gnome stuff? its safe to do an apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[19:20] <knome> !language | sudobash
[19:21] <maddy83> I have a problem: I installed xubuntu on top of freebsd, and now I have freebsd's ugly bootloader before GRUB
[19:21] <sudobash> oh nooo
[19:21] <sudobash> LjL is here
[19:21] <sudobash> to kick me undoubtedly
[19:22] <knome> sudobash, behave and there is no reason to kick you.
[19:22] <sudobash> what are you waiting for Lorenzo?
[19:22] <sudobash> kick me
[19:22] <sudobash> nah I want to prove how much the Ubuntu OPs suck
[19:22] <maddy83> ericchaves: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[19:22] <Sysi> i'm slow :/
[19:23] <sudobash> might as well get kicked from all the ubuntu channels while im at it you know?>
[19:23] <LjL> !ops | sudobash
[19:24] <ericchaves> ok, Sysiy, amddy83. thanks for the help.
[19:53] <maddy83> shouldn't someone update the topic?
[20:07] <rr72> niko~ mind changing/updateing the topic?
[20:17] <Sysi> thanks
[20:18] <rr72> sorry to single you out but saw you are a member and assumed you could :-P niko
[20:19] <niko> no problem
[20:19] <dbdii407> I am downloading the new release of xUbuntu and I started to wonder. Which PHP does it have installed? (If at all)
[20:23] <Sysi> what's default theme of xubuntu, the name?
[20:23] <Sysi> i had separate /home and this isn't default
[20:38] <Axius> How to uninstall a package in xubuntu?
[20:43] <knome> Sysi, albatross for karmic
[20:44] <Sysi> thanks :)
[20:57] <hannes_eee> hey you guys what is the gtk and xfwm theme you are using with 9.10
[20:58] <Sysi> albatross and something is default
[20:59] <hannes_eee> never heard of albatross
[20:59] <Sysi> it's on top of the list :)
[21:02] <hannes_eee> Sysi: where on which list?
[21:02] <Sysi> appearance
[21:03] <hannes_eee> Sysi: i'm not on xubuntu ;-)
[21:03] <Sysi> it's still there on xubuntu :)
[21:04] <hannes_eee> well but it isn't a xubuntu only one or?=
[21:04] <Sysi> no, any theme you like
[21:05] <hannes_eee> but i am searching for the xubuntu default one
[21:05] <Sysi> that's albatross
[21:05] <hannes_eee> well but i could hardly find anything on google
[21:05] <Sysi> dunno if it's nowhere to download separately
[22:14] <neozen> SPLIT!
[22:16] <knome> sshhh!! some people are idling here
[22:27] <likemindead> You hurt neozen's feelings, knome. :-\
[22:27] <knome> :P
[23:46] <Legendre> knock knock.. what's a suggested partition scheme for a desktop running karmic?
[23:47] <raevol> Legendre: that's sort of up to you, but having a separate /home is always nice
[23:49] <Legendre> sorry...
[23:50] <Legendre> I need sizes for /, /boot, /usr, /var...
[23:50] <raevol> do you have a specific reason why you're making separate partitions for all of those?
[23:50] <Legendre> yes
[23:51] <Legendre> it keeps the fs fast and un-fragged
[23:51] <Legendre> done it for ten years, usually a sep point fo r/usr/local as well
[23:51] <raevol> fragmentation isn't really an issue on linux filesystems, from what i know, but you seem to know more than me, so i can't really help
[23:51] <knome> fragmentation isn't that big problem in linux.
[23:52] <Legendre> nope, and it's even less of a problem if you separate out your RO filesysems
[23:52] <Legendre> like /usr
[23:52] <Legendre> and /boot
[23:52] <Legendre> or I should say, fs's that aren't frequently written
[23:56] <knome> Legendre, you probably know the scheme better than us if you've been using it for years :)
[23:56] <Legendre> knome: thing is, I haven't been using ubunt for years.. I don't know its needs very well =)
[23:56] <Legendre> *ubuntu