| EagleScreen | they say that it will be available in 4.4, nice new | 00:00 |
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| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 00:31 |
| shtylman | yuriy: thanks for pointing that out | 00:31 |
| shtylman | the last bullet is just a poor translation...but yes..I can see how cutoff text is a problem | 00:32 |
| shtylman | I suppose I will look into that for the next release | 00:33 |
| JontheEchidna | great job guys! | 00:33 |
| shtylman | the balance is that it also has to work on small screens | 00:33 |
| * JontheEchidna was in/traveling to/from Plimouth Plantation in Mass today | 00:40 | |
| yuriy | great job JontheEchidna! | 00:41 |
| JontheEchidna | you too :) | 00:41 |
| JontheEchidna | userconfig would still be a pleasant "maybe some day" idea without your effort | 00:42 |
| === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: the distro with good looking developers | No Todo link! Take a load off! | 9.10 Released, Woo! \o/ | ||
| JontheEchidna | no more bugs tonight, I should be partying! | 01:23 |
| JontheEchidna | fortunately there haven't been many reports. Most of those came during RC. More than I've ever seen anyway | 01:23 |
| * JontheEchidna hits the blogs | 01:25 | |
| JontheEchidna | Wow, KDE was the focal point of computerworld's Ubuntu 9.10 article: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324380/ubuntu_9_10_karmic_koala_release_gives_kde_boost?fp=4&fpid=1968336438 | 01:26 |
| JontheEchidna | Ha, we should have marketed this as trying to scare the competition, what with Halloweeen being in 2 days | 01:36 |
| MsMaco | huh? | 01:44 |
| MsMaco | halloween? | 01:44 |
| MsMaco | what do kde and halloween ahve in common? | 01:45 |
| JontheEchidna | the kubuntu release was two days from halloween, is all | 01:45 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: you still mispelled Plimoth Plantation!! | 01:48 |
| JontheEchidna | oops | 01:48 |
| JontheEchidna | have you been? It's quite neat | 01:48 |
| JontheEchidna | got to go on their Mayflower replica, even | 01:49 |
| yuriy | yeah i've been twice in 5th grade and middle school | 01:49 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 01:58 |
| robinp_ | is there likely to be a solid device browser within dolphin ? | 03:24 |
| MsMaco | js | 03:38 |
| MsMaco | oops | 03:38 |
| Mamarok | good morning :) | 07:04 |
| Mamarok | Sine I don't use Amarok with the Karmic packages, I wonder if there is a packaging problem, I have a guy with that error when he starts Amarok: "could not find requested component: mediadevices" | 07:05 |
| markey | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/324380/ubuntu_9_10_karmic_koala_release_gives_kde_boost | 07:39 |
| markey | :) | 07:39 |
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| ulysses__ | good morning | 07:55 |
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| Mamarok | does Kopeta work with msn in Karmic? | 08:55 |
| ulysses__ | Mamarok: it works | 09:13 |
| \sh | morning | 09:34 |
| \sh | Sput, awake? did you miss the train? ;) | 09:34 |
| Mamarok | can somebody have an eye on #kubuntu, please? I am hungry... | 09:39 |
| ghostcube | http://www.anhalter.net/tools/bofh/index.php only for the ones doesnt know :D | 10:07 |
| ghostcube | i love this one | 10:08 |
| ulysses__ | Choqok crashed just now | 10:10 |
| Mamarok | ulysses__: I use it since Jaunty and it never crashed on me | 10:49 |
| ulysses__ | this was the first, but I can restart it | 10:49 |
| ulysses__ | Ayatana is cooler than the "older" notifies | 10:50 |
| Mamarok | hm, new packages for the updater, were there problems? | 11:06 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: there's always problems to be fixed | 11:46 |
| Mamarok | ok, just so I can point people to it | 11:58 |
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| Quintasan | hiho | 12:28 |
| ScottK | Are we still using kvkbd? It's up for adoption in Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542799 | 12:34 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 542799 in wnpp "RFA: kvkbd -- Virtual keyboard for KDE" [Normal,Open] | 12:34 |
| Riddell | it's in our seeds, wasn't there a plasma replacement? | 12:35 |
| * ScottK recalls something about it. | 12:36 | |
| JontheEchidna | plasma-widget-plasmaboard | 12:38 |
| Riddell | task for today: get down to inbox zero! | 12:42 |
| ScottK | dtchen: SinceI don't know if you read planet KDE, I thought I'd pass this on: http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/so-how-does-the-kde-pulseaudio-support-work-anyway/ | 13:06 |
| Ramblurr | are the qt4 demos/examples not included in any qt package? | 13:09 |
| tsimpson | they are in qt4-demos afaik | 13:10 |
| JontheEchidna | ohmy, the disabling of apport va /etc/default/apport disables Dr. Konqi too :/ | 13:12 |
| JontheEchidna | for app crash handling | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | hooray for patches | 13:12 |
| * apachelogger does the patch dance | 13:12 | |
| JontheEchidna | that patch will fry for 10.04 | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | how about: fry any patch for 10.04? :P | 13:13 |
| JontheEchidna | but as it stands, no dr. konqui by default for anybody unless they manually edit /etc/defaults/apport | 13:13 |
| JontheEchidna | worth an SRU? | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | it is | 13:14 |
| Riddell | if I do killall -SEGV dolphin I get drkonqi | 13:14 |
| Riddell | what needs edited? | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | upstream will give us a beat if no way to comfortably retrace | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: /etc/default/apport | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | I would suppose apport needs to be turned on | 13:14 |
| JontheEchidna | kubuntu_07_apport_by_default needs dropping | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | oh, that came out wrong | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | apport needs to be activated it seems | 13:14 |
| JontheEchidna | /etc/default/apport needs on, but apport-kde has to be uninstalled for it to work | 13:15 |
| Riddell | the only thing that patch does is disable drkonqi if apport-kde exists and /etc/default/apport has enabled=1 | 13:16 |
| Riddell | I have enabled=0 (without editing anything) and thus drkonqi remains enabled | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, hmm. it's working now | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | that's good | 13:17 |
| Riddell | if you disable it in /e/d/apport it won't take affect for apps which are already running or which are launched with kdeinit | 13:17 |
| ScottK | debfx: Fixed quassel backport is building now. | 13:22 |
| JontheEchidna | [09:29:17] <CIA-16> mart * r1042670 runtime/trunk/KDE/kdebase/ (5 files in 3 dirs): KNotificationItem->KStatusNotifierItem | 13:29 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 13:29 |
| * ScottK agateau will have a fun afternoon. | 13:32 | |
| * ScottK ... thinks ... | 13:32 | |
| agateau | ScottK: I am already having a fun afternoon on #plasma :) | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Based on the kde-devel mail, I'm not suprised. | 13:34 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: i had a patch that would probably fix that but i never got to putting it in bzr | 13:34 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: bug 439758 | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 439758 in kde4libs "KDE crash handler is used if apport-kde is not present, even if apport-gtk is" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439758 | 13:36 |
| yuriy | although no, i don't see why the old/current behavior would disable dr konqi | 13:36 |
| JontheEchidna | it doesn't, my mistake | 13:38 |
| yuriy | markey: good to see a positive article but it seems to say Canonical does all the work on Kubuntu | 14:00 |
| ScottK | Yeah. I appreciated that Canonical wrote the Firefox installer | 14:00 |
| yuriy | that wasn't Riddell right? | 14:01 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger did that | 14:01 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 14:01 |
| JontheEchidna | like, all of it | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:02 |
| ScottK | BTW, apachelogger: If a fresh install is just finished and there's no local package cache, then installer thinks Firefox is already installed since (apparently) it assumes lack of something to install means it's done. | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | I am working on my application as kubuntu dev at canonical | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | so that the statement can become true :D | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, I saw that | 14:03 |
| ScottK | You'll need a canoe then. | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: no local cache also makes software-properties write bad sources.list files | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: not sure what the most sensible solution to that would be | 14:03 |
| JontheEchidna | it seems to be causing a lot of issues | 14:03 |
| ScottK | The multi-media installer has the same problem. | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | hmmmm | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | how about running apt-get update in update-notifier-kde? | 14:03 |
| ScottK | What if there's no network? | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | then the command should fail as always | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | I actually wonder | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | why did we not have that issue before9.10? | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 14:04 |
| ScottK | I did more install testing for 9.10, so I don't know that it's actually new | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | something must have changed for sure :D | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I never triaged any bug report like that | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ? | 14:05 |
| JontheEchidna | I seem to remember people complaining before about not being able to apt-get install anything before apt-get updating | 14:05 |
| JontheEchidna | in #kubuntu | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | need to poke ubuntu doods how they address this | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | they sure must be affected as well | 14:06 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Jockey is affected. | 14:06 |
| ScottK | The bug report referenced in known issues about jockey has some discussion I think | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: gnome UI too? | 14:07 |
| ScottK | Yep | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:07 |
| ScottK | I reported it as a jockey-kde issue and pitti said it was general. Read the bug. | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | well, for kfi it could just chain-execute install-package -u and install-package -i firefox | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | thus enforcing an update before install | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | though I think a global solution would make more sense | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | maybe we can get kpk's update checker to solve the issue? | 14:08 |
| ScottK | Sounds like the solution is dont' have software-properities write bad source files. | 14:09 |
| yuriy | I think i've seen something about this here before, but what am i missing: | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it only writes bad source files because no update was run before, as I understood? | 14:09 |
| yuriy | CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake:19 (file): file Internal CMake error when trying to open file: /usr/include/phonon/phononnamespace.h for reading. | 14:09 |
| yuriy | I have libqt4-phonon-dev | 14:10 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Right, but with no network an update may not be possible. It should be smarter. | 14:10 |
| * yuriy wonders why kdevplatform needs phonon anyway | 14:15 | |
| EagleScreen | wit no network an installation is neither possible | 14:18 |
| ScottK | EagleScreen: That's true, but currently it says it's already installed. | 14:19 |
| ScottK | It should know it's not installed and it can't be now. | 14:19 |
| EagleScreen | that sounds like a package-install bug | 14:19 |
| EagleScreen | what happens if in this conditions you try to install with apt or aptitude? | 14:21 |
| EagleScreen | saying there ins't package? | 14:21 |
| ScottK | Yes, it'll fail. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | It won't say you have the package already | 14:22 |
| EagleScreen | why package install do it? | 14:22 |
| EagleScreen | bug in package-install code? or in python-apt code? | 14:22 |
| ScottK | No idea. | 14:23 |
| EagleScreen | it seems install-package does not depend on python-apt | 14:23 |
| EagleScreen | it depends on gdebi-kde! is gdebi affected by this? | 14:24 |
| EagleScreen | can apt-cache be deleted by hand to test these cases? | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | EagleScreen: install-package -> gdebi-kde -> gdebi-core -> python-apt | 14:27 |
| dtchen | ScottK: I do [read Planet KDE], and we collaborate with Colin for debugging. | 14:29 |
| EagleScreen | found a bug in kpackagekit here | 14:30 |
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| postkaart | hi | 14:48 |
| JontheEchidna | hello | 14:48 |
| postkaart | how can i help developping kubuntu? | 14:48 |
| Riddell | that all depends on what you're into | 14:49 |
| Riddell | coder, documenter, packager, bug triager, user support et al | 14:49 |
| postkaart | I have a base on Java and C# | 14:49 |
| postkaart | but i guess that's not usefull at all | 14:51 |
| Riddell | we tend to use python and C++ when coding, although that's not the majority of what we do | 14:51 |
| Riddell | postkaart: do you have karmic installed? | 14:51 |
| postkaart | C++ is rather complicated, python is what i'm starting with. most java projects for linux are rather standalone opensource projects | 14:51 |
| Riddell | postkaart: first step is to hang around in this chat room, so you've done the right thing already :) | 14:52 |
| postkaart | I just installed karmic on my laptop with no success: internet fails on me (wireless) so i'll rather try the old nm-applet | 14:52 |
| postkaart | or reinstall 9.04 | 14:53 |
| Riddell | postkaart: wifi worked in 9.04 but not 9.10? | 14:54 |
| postkaart | yeah but laptop support has always been tricky anyways | 14:55 |
| postkaart | on school last year when using 8.10 it used to crash just trying to connect to wpa enterprise while just doing fine on WEP | 14:55 |
| postkaart | 9.04 jaunty fixed the cause, now it seems broken again somehow | 14:56 |
| postkaart | but don't dig too deep, i didn't yet study the case to figure out the problem | 14:56 |
| a|wen-dtu | postkaart: i had luck deleting all the wireless networks and starting from scratch ... seems networks created in 9.04 doesn't really work in 9.10 | 14:57 |
| postkaart | a|wen-dtu: 9.04 crashed in september after updating (causing mouse issues) due need for a linux distro i quickly installed linux mint. Karmic install was from scratch. | 14:59 |
| Riddell | the upgrade script should delete the old network conf anyway | 14:59 |
| postkaart | can anyone tell me what actually changed in the networkmanager from 9.04 to 9.10? | 14:59 |
| Riddell | postkaart: it's a bit of a rewrite, and the GUI is entirely simplified (not a plasmoid) | 15:00 |
| a|wen-dtu | Riddell: ahh, cool ... probably updated to early for that | 15:01 |
| postkaart | Riddell: mentioned the plasmoid is gone: it actually looks like nm-applet from gnome now.. | 15:01 |
| postkaart | as for developping what is preferred? python or c++. C++ sounds familiar as I already know C# though, i'll have to adjust to garbage collection and pointers and stuff like that. | 15:07 |
| tsimpson | can someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/464961 for me, plasma crashes when attempting to paste text with a hyperlink on the desktop and choosing "Notes" | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Error: This bug is private | 15:08 |
| tsimpson | KDE 4.3.2 on karmic | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | can you un-private it please? | 15:09 |
| Riddell | postkaart: it depends on the project, most of our original development is in python, we sometimes patch other bits in c++ | 15:09 |
| Riddell | postkaart: but most of what we do is packaging and fixing packages | 15:09 |
| JontheEchidna | better :) | 15:10 |
| tsimpson | :) | 15:10 |
| postkaart | Riddell: I figured, but nevertheless I'd like to help developping :) | 15:10 |
| yuriy | postkaart: you can start by fixing the qyoto package and then you can use C# ;) | 15:10 |
| tsimpson | I've tried it a few times, and always crashes | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | tsimpson: crashes here too | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | but not if I drag the text to the desktop | 15:11 |
| JontheEchidna | only middle-click crashes | 15:11 |
| yuriy | any ideas on the FindPhonon problem ^^? | 15:12 |
| postkaart | yuriy: seems quite complicated still thanks for the tip. I'm still in college, i'm not that advanced^^ | 15:12 |
| * Riddell notes that 4.3.3 is due to appear sometime today | 15:13 | |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: reinstall kdelibs5-dev, I believe | 15:13 |
| yuriy | actually that particular packaging bug is quite simple and could be a good start if you want to get into packaging. but sounds like you want to code | 15:13 |
| tsimpson | JontheEchidna: crashes when I choose "Web Browser" too, so it's not just Notes | 15:13 |
| Riddell | postkaart: so if you want to help with packaging KDE 4.3.3 that'll be happening soon | 15:13 |
| JontheEchidna | kde bug 202420 | 15:13 |
| yuriy | postkaart: so maybe you can help JontheEchidna and apachelogger c++ify our python utilities | 15:13 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 202420 in general "both mouse buttons, get context menu crashes plasma" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202420 | 15:13 |
| tsimpson | ooh, I didn't see that one | 15:14 |
| postkaart | yuriy: i'll give it a go soon after this weekend (if it's still not fixed) as I'll be gone for the weekend. | 15:15 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: nope still no /usr/include/phonon. why is it looking there and not the qt one? i assume this actually works since otherwise no packages would ever get built | 15:15 |
| postkaart | yuriy: could you rephrase that please? | 15:15 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: might have to install the libqt4-phonon-dev too | 15:15 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: already have it | 15:15 |
| yuriy | tried reinstalling too | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | *reinstall | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 15:16 |
| yuriy | postkaart: various things like jockey and update-notifier are currently in python and some would like to see them rewritten in C++ so they'll take up less memory | 15:17 |
| tsimpson | I've linked kde bug #196416 to the report | 15:17 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 196416 in general "(testcase) Selecting a widget to paste the URL mimedata (middle-click) on Plasma crashes it (QMimeDataPrivate::retrieveTypedData, ,Plasma::ContainmentPrivate::dropData)" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196416 | 15:17 |
| _Sime | yuriy: are you sure that is why update-notifier takes so much memory? | 15:17 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: jockey is probably less feasible, unless we want to make our own c++ backend | 15:18 |
| * tsimpson would kike to see update-notifier-kde written in C++ | 15:18 | |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: yeah i don't remember what the other thing was off the top of my head | 15:18 |
| JontheEchidna | printer-applet | 15:18 |
| yuriy | that needs a backend too | 15:18 |
| JontheEchidna | _Sime: a similar app in c++ took around 4 times less RAM (Kapplication that makes notifications) | 15:18 |
| JontheEchidna | at idle, doing nothing | 15:19 |
| _Sime | JontheEchidna: I must warn you that it is rather hard to measure memory, esp. with heaps of shared libs etc. | 15:19 |
| JontheEchidna | it showed up as sitting at 10 MB of unshared memory at idle | 15:20 |
| JontheEchidna | (update-notifier-kde did) | 15:20 |
| JontheEchidna | then we reduced overhead of the C++ port further by making it into a kded module: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-notification-helper/trunk | 15:21 |
| postkaart | _Sime: I agree, but still an increase of 3 times can't be ignored? | 15:21 |
| _Sime | postkaart: the question isn't "does 3x matter". The question is "is it worth spending the developer effort on an optimisation which may bring ram use from 1% of sys mem to 0.3% of sys mem?" | 15:23 |
| tsimpson | for an app that is supposed to be constantly running, yes | 15:24 |
| tsimpson | it effectively takes ram off the system from login | 15:24 |
| JontheEchidna | especially if we have multiple python notification-oriented apps running. Then 10 MB becomes 20 or 30 | 15:24 |
| JontheEchidna | then you take 6% of a low-end computer's ram --at idle-- for notifications that are rarely seen | 15:25 |
| yuriy | might also speed up login | 15:25 |
| tsimpson | and when there seems to be no way to quit it unless there are notifications in the sys-tray... | 15:25 |
| postkaart | _Sime: yes you are correct actually, effort should be taken into consideration as well the percentage of ram used is determined by the system running it. | 15:27 |
| postkaart | and we're not expecting a 8 year old pc to be still running 9.10 do we? | 15:28 |
| * JontheEchidna has a 6 year old PC that is running 9.10 | 15:28 | |
| JontheEchidna | killall python has been one of my first commands on a fresh boot for a while now | 15:29 |
| _Sime | JontheEchidna: but you don't have multiple python notification-oriented apps running. | 15:29 |
| JontheEchidna | update-notifier-kde, jockey, printer-applet-kde | 15:29 |
| _Sime | JontheEchidna: why optimise so early? There are surely other more important features to do first. | 15:29 |
| JontheEchidna | I actually did most of the work during a freeze week when I had nothing else to do | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | not too much effort expended on my part | 15:31 |
| _Sime | maybe. But the C++ will still need to maintained. And you might not be around for ever. | 15:32 |
| _Sime | that is a cost as well. | 15:32 |
| yuriy | _Sime: it seems to me we've had more trouble with maintaining PyQt stuff than anything C++ (e.g. that has-to-be-a-KMainWindow bug that's still around) | 15:33 |
| JontheEchidna | the code is quite modular and clean. certainly cleaner than what we wrote for update-notifier-kde | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | _Sime: the current cpp code is about 5 billion times more maintainable than what we had in python | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | getting the python thingy in shape would have equaled a rewrite anyway :D | 15:34 |
| postkaart | is update-notifier-kde written in oo? | 15:35 |
| postkaart | (i don't know anything about python so sorry for this.) | 15:35 |
| tsimpson | oo? | 15:35 |
| postkaart | Object-Oriented | 15:35 |
| tsimpson | ah, OOP.. | 15:35 |
| tsimpson | yes | 15:35 |
| tsimpson | python is an object-orientated language | 15:36 |
| alteroo | Riddell: hi | 15:36 |
| postkaart | tsimpson: thanks. maybe i should look up some examples to see what python is all about. | 15:36 |
| tsimpson | it's not too difficult to learn, and it has a huge standard library | 15:37 |
| alteroo | postkaart: It's about the Full Monty! | 15:37 |
| alteroo | jussi01: Don't look now | 15:37 |
| JontheEchidna | python has its uses, I just don't think that tray notifications are its niche exactly | 15:38 |
| _Sime | my congrats to the openoffice-kde people. It looks good once you turn off the GUI scaling (which screws everything up) | 15:38 |
| alteroo | _Sime: Where is the GUI scaling? | 15:38 |
| JontheEchidna | ya, the OpenOffice intergration is sweet | 15:38 |
| _Sime | alteroo: some obscure option in the OO prefs. | 15:39 |
| yuriy | thanks _Sime! shtylman^ | 15:39 |
| _Sime | alteroo: under "View" | 15:39 |
| * _Sime wishes the someone would fix the GTK file dialog in FF. | 15:39 | |
| postkaart | :) | 15:40 |
| alteroo | Didn't Suse patch it to use KDE dialogs and Buttons? | 15:40 |
| postkaart | I'm off, cya guys later. | 15:40 |
| Riddell | hi alteroo | 15:41 |
| JontheEchidna | at least the dialogs | 15:41 |
| alteroo | Riddell: Reporting | 15:41 |
| alteroo | Riddell: What this about updating the Webstie now? | 15:41 |
| Riddell | alteroo: what's what about updating the website? | 15:42 |
| alteroo | Riddell: You asked yesterday if I would update the website for the errors I noticed | 15:43 |
| _Sime | has anyone tried gnash lately? | 15:43 |
| Riddell | alteroo: oh, you had a different nick? | 15:43 |
| alteroo | Yes | 15:43 |
| alteroo | Jad | 15:43 |
| alteroo | _Sime: Set scaling to 0% instead of 100% ? | 15:43 |
| _Sime | alteroo: just use 100%. | 15:43 |
| _Sime | alteroo: I had 80% in there for some reason. | 15:44 |
| alteroo | It still looks funy | 15:44 |
| alteroo | The bottom half of all the checkboxes are cut off | 15:44 |
| _Sime | I had that problem, scaling fixed it. | 15:45 |
| alteroo | Hmmok let me try 80 % :) | 15:46 |
| Riddell | alteroo: if you would be able to update the FAQ that would be great, I can give you the current text if you want to edit it | 15:46 |
| Riddell | alteroo: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/faq | 15:47 |
| alteroo | Riddell: sure. email ? | 15:47 |
| Riddell | alteroo: that file there ^^ | 15:47 |
| alteroo | ok Looking at it | 15:47 |
| * alteroo hugs kio :) | 15:48 | |
| === alteroo is now known as DasKreech | ||
| Riddell | ah, it's DasKreech. well why didn't you say so | 15:49 |
| DasKreech | I was busy sorry | 15:49 |
| DasKreech | Installing Koala for a business | 15:49 |
| DasKreech | and the stupid intel driver was segfaulting the kernel | 15:50 |
| DasKreech | Glanced at the website and noticed that it was a bit out of date and dropped by to see if anyone had noticed it | 15:51 |
| DasKreech | Since I'm editing it anyone have anythign else they would like tosee in the FAQ? | 15:51 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: Any Release notes to link to? | 15:56 |
| Riddell | DasKreech: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 has the known problems | 15:59 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: Thanks. | 15:59 |
| DasKreech | I noticed there are no Release notes/changelog linked from the main site | 16:00 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release links to it | 16:01 |
| DasKreech | There is a KDE 3 Karmic Koala ! :-) | 16:04 |
| Riddell | it just won't go away | 16:04 |
| Riddell | probably something to put in the FAQ that | 16:04 |
| DasKreech | Ok I'll make an addition for that | 16:05 |
| ScottK | Speaking of which, Riddell, if kb9vqf has ported the KDE 3 KNM to NM 0.8, then isn't there some svn somewhere that should get the fixes? | 16:14 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I don't remember, it was mostly developed in novell's secret cave I think | 16:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. We removed it, right? | 16:20 |
| Riddell | it's not in our archives | 16:22 |
| Riddell | it might be worth notifying kde-packager incase there are other distros using it | 16:22 |
| Riddell | kb9vqf: want me to do that? | 16:22 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: Take out Dapper? | 16:42 |
| Riddell | DasKreech: yes | 16:44 |
| Riddell | and hardy | 16:44 |
| Riddell | hi nookie^, I got a few comments about how pretty the banner is | 16:44 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: im glad to hear that =)) | 16:54 |
| nookie^ | even thow it could be made alot better but it will be better next time i'll promess =) | 16:54 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: RIght click -> actions -> Edit as Root is going to come back in Dolphin ? | 17:00 |
| kb9vqf | Riddell, ScottK: The updated source is only in the PPA | 17:05 |
| kb9vqf | I would really like to apply my patches to mainline SVN, but haven't had the time yet | 17:05 |
| kb9vqf | If someone wants to extract the source from the PPA and put it into SVN, I would really appreciate it! | 17:06 |
| === m4v_ is now known as m4v | ||
| ScottK | DasKreech: I don't think so (edit as root). If you want that, install Krusader. | 17:27 |
| ScottK | Who knows with policykit coming to KDE 4.4 though | 17:27 |
| DasKreech | ScottK: So I'll take it out of the FAQ then | 17:33 |
| DasKreech | kb9vqf: We are putting your work in the Kubuntu FAQ. Anything you want to say? | 17:34 |
| DasKreech | Does the KDE Site have any statement of Freedom? | 17:34 |
| ghostcube | hola karmic update 1,9 gigs :D | 17:35 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: The first words on http://kde.org/ are "Be free" | 17:38 |
| DasKreech | ScottK: Yes I know that I"m trying to highlight what that means :) | 17:44 |
| ghostcube | feel free sounds better or ? | 17:44 |
| DasKreech | ghostcube: SOunds like a harrasment suit :) | 17:44 |
| kb9vqf | DasKreech: That KDE3 will be maintained/developed for a long, long time? :) | 17:45 |
| * kb9vqf doesn't really know *what* to say | 17:45 | |
| DasKreech | kb9vqf: I'm working that into it | 17:46 |
| ghostcube | i shoudlnt always install every app i never use again before i take update :D | 17:46 |
| ghostcube | would reduce my download rofl | 17:47 |
| kb9vqf | ghostcube: check for old Kernel versions | 17:47 |
| kb9vqf | easy way: dpkg -l | grep 2.6. | grep image | 17:47 |
| ghostcube | nah i doing update to karmic i have 1,9 gig to donwnload | 17:47 |
| ScottK | If you still want KDE3, there is a community maintained Kubuntu remix available ... | 17:47 |
| ghostcube | i think cause i have to many installed | 17:47 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: ^^ | 17:47 |
| DasKreech | http://paste.ubuntu.com/305240/ | 17:49 |
| DasKreech | REview please | 17:49 |
| kb9vqf | Grammar on "I miss KDE3 Why did it go away?" should be "I miss KDE3; why did it go away?" or "I miss KDE3--Why did it go away?" | 17:51 |
| JontheEchidna | either of the alternatives are acceptable, though I do like the first alternative | 17:51 |
| DasKreech | kb9vqf: Thanks | 17:52 |
| kb9vqf | There should also be a period after "KDE3 Remix for Kubuntu</a>" ;) | 17:52 |
| kb9vqf | Otherwise, good work! | 17:52 |
| DasKreech | http://paste.ubuntu.com/305243/ | 17:55 |
| DasKreech | Any thing else people think should be mentioned in the FAQ? | 17:55 |
| DasKreech | There is a bit in there about gutsy I'm not sure if thats valuable to stay in there | 17:56 |
| * kb9vqf would guess it should be removed | 17:56 | |
| Mamarok | Gutsy has reached it's EOL already IIRC | 17:57 |
| kb9vqf | Gutsy is not an LTS, so I think Mamarok is correct | 17:57 |
| DasKreech | Yeah I've taken out other references | 17:57 |
| DasKreech | !gutsy | 17:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) was the seventh release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 18th, 2009. See !eol and !upgrade for more details. | 17:57 |
| DasKreech | !cookie | 17:58 |
| ubottu | Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 17:58 |
| Mamarok | and Hardy was never LTS for Kubuntu neither | 17:58 |
| DasKreech | !hardy | 17:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details. | 17:58 |
| Mamarok | only the Ubuntu parts | 17:58 |
| DasKreech | I still don't know what that means | 17:58 |
| Mamarok | well, kernel updates and such, but all things KDE not | 17:59 |
| DasKreech | But the gutsy section says that removing that file is not needed in Gutsy does that mean from Gutsy onwards? | 17:59 |
| Mamarok | which is normal, since Hardy was still KDE 3.5.10 | 17:59 |
| DasKreech | I"m not sure about teh validity of that whole section | 17:59 |
| * Mamarok checks | 17:59 | |
| DasKreech | Mamarok: Right but the servers are still up the files are still there peopel can keep using htem as long the hardy servers are up so it's kinda a strange statement I think | 18:00 |
| DasKreech | Does any of those Konqueror commands make sense now ? | 18:00 |
| DasKreech | That's a horribly structured sentence | 18:01 |
| Mamarok | DasKreech: well, the Kubuntu devs clearly stated that there is no support for Kubuntu in Hardy beyond the 18 months life | 18:01 |
| Mamarok | so in #kubuntu we do not support Hardy anymore and send people over to #ubuntu for system related stuff if they insist | 18:02 |
| DasKreech | Mamarok: I know that | 18:02 |
| DasKreech | can someone review http://www.kubuntu.org/faq#defaultkonq and let me know what should change? | 18:06 |
| DasKreech | Hmm I"ll add the release notes in the what's new section | 18:06 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: Ping | 18:14 |
| markey | hmm, can I safely get rid of PulseAudio? | 18:20 |
| markey | it's causing stuttering here | 18:20 |
| markey | and I have no need for it | 18:20 |
| Mamarok | you should be able to, normally | 18:20 |
| markey | Mamarok: last time I tried, I could not access my soundcard at all | 18:21 |
| markey | we'll see | 18:21 |
| markey | in the meantime I wish Poettering all the best. including herpes, ebola, and the pest | 18:21 |
| DasKreech | I don't have it installed | 18:21 |
| Mamarok | DasKreech: markey's soundcard dindn't work anymore on Karmic without Pulse... | 18:22 |
| DasKreech | Ouch | 18:22 |
| markey | maybe that's fixed now, lemme try | 18:22 |
| DasKreech | This video card won't work with the kernel | 18:22 |
| DasKreech | Cest la vie | 18:22 |
| markey | seems to work again :) | 18:23 |
| markey | goodbye PA, nice meeting you. send poettering greetings | 18:23 |
| Mamarok | markey: a good kick in the.... :) | 18:23 |
| markey | many people have issues with germans. after meeting poettering, I can see why that is :) | 18:24 |
| markey | giving us all a bad rep | 18:24 |
| Mamarok | DasKreech: please, no shouting, there is alredy too much noise in #k without it | 18:28 |
| DasKreech | Mamarok: Sorry :) | 18:29 |
| Mamarok | you know the rules | 18:29 |
| === njpatel is now known as njpatel|away | ||
| * DasKreech hugs Mamarok. See you later | 18:35 | |
| DasKreech | Anyone knows about the Kubuntu Konqueror changes ? | 18:55 |
| yuriy | are there any anymore? | 19:08 |
| DasKreech | I don't think so I just need to know which ones are valid for the FAQ | 19:09 |
| ScottK | The Gutsy thing can go away, it was only relevant to KDE3. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: ^^ | 19:18 |
| DasKreech | ScottK: as in the sentence before where it says Gutsy ? | 19:19 |
| DasKreech | So everythign before sudo cp | 19:19 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: Yeah, the one that starts "To get back to the default KDE profiles: ..." | 19:20 |
| ScottK | The Dolphin Tar and Zip one can go away too. | 19:20 |
| DasKreech | ScottK: Drat I just put that one in :-) | 19:21 |
| ScottK | Let me check for sure. | 19:21 |
| * ScottK consults the source | 19:21 | |
| ScottK | DasKreech: Confirmed. It can go. | 19:23 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: Can we say that we are a sibling of Ubuntu, not a derivative. | 19:23 |
| DasKreech | I don't know that's not my call | 19:24 |
| DasKreech | I don't have a problem with that other than we are more like a derivative than a sibling | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Mint is a derivative. | 19:25 |
| ScottK | We co-develop with Ubuntu, so derivative isn't really correct. | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^^ What say you? | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Sure, we may be the younger sibling that gets beat up all the time, but we're still family | 19:26 |
| DasKreech | :-) | 19:28 |
| kittu | hey guys | 20:32 |
| kittu | this is kittu... jsut here to check if i can help u guys in Kubuntu | 20:33 |
| ScottK | kittu: We can always use help. What are you interested in. | 20:35 |
| kittu | i am java developer..looks like that is not a required skill here | 20:36 |
| kittu | i have lil bit of web devlopment skills | 20:36 |
| kittu | i can help u guys im cleaning the kubuntu weh site | 20:36 |
| kittu | ^web | 20:36 |
| ScottK | kittu: We can use help on that. | 20:37 |
| kittu | cool | 20:37 |
| ScottK | kittu: ryanakca is our web master. You should talk to him about what needs doing. | 20:37 |
| kittu | sure... 'll do that | 20:37 |
| kittu | do we guys use any CMS(like joomla, drupal) for our website? | 20:40 |
| ScottK | We do, but I don't remember what it is. | 20:41 |
| kittu | hmm..ok. | 20:42 |
| DasKreech | Drupal I think | 20:48 |
| DasKreech | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/305369/ you can decide on if the phrase derivative should be changed to sibling | 20:50 |
| DasKreech | kittu: Have you looked at the site? | 20:50 |
| kittu | yeah | 20:51 |
| kittu | its drupal based | 20:51 |
| DasKreech | Yes but I mean do you have any comments on it or the content? | 20:52 |
| kittu | it looks very basic | 20:53 |
| kittu | we can improve a lot | 20:53 |
| kittu | am more of a joomla guy.. let me install drupal on PC and play around | 20:54 |
| * DasKreech laughs. Ok what improvements :) | 20:54 | |
| ScottK | kittu: Also we need a sub-site to showcase our new Netbook edition. | 20:54 |
| ScottK | That's an entire new project. | 20:54 |
| kittu | cool.. | 20:55 |
| kittu | i can take that :) | 20:55 |
| DasKreech | That needs a subsite? | 20:55 |
| ScottK | DasKreech: Something we can use for marketing Kubuntu Netbook. | 20:55 |
| kittu | regd improvements : it looks like first website developed in college | 20:56 |
| ScottK | kittu: What we have now is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook | 20:56 |
| kittu | Kubuntu deserves better than that :) | 20:56 |
| ScottK | kittu: If you google Kubuntu Netbook a bit you'll see there are videos on youtube and such. | 20:56 |
| ScottK | It'd be nice to be able to really showcase this new platform. | 20:56 |
| kittu | i have Kubuntu on my netbook.. | 20:57 |
| ScottK | The netbook edition? | 20:57 |
| kittu | yes | 20:57 |
| ScottK | How do you find it? | 20:57 |
| DasKreech | kittu: Ok do a mockup and lets see it :) | 20:58 |
| kittu | its great.. can't just compete wit ubuntu yet.. | 20:58 |
| kittu | sure DasKreech | 20:58 |
| ScottK | kittu: It's a start. OK. I need to run. I'd like to discuss what you might help us with that could really show it off. | 20:59 |
| kittu | sure | 20:59 |
| ScottK | kittu: Please consider the use case of an OEM that is considering what OS to pre-install on their next netbook and we want them to see this site and want it. | 21:00 |
| kittu | hmm.. sure | 21:00 |
| ScottK | Great. That's something we really need. | 21:01 |
| * ScottK runs off to drive kid #3 to ballet class. | 21:01 | |
| _Sime | is there a tool for comparing apt's file/package database with the files on disk? | 21:06 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| Quintasan | I see we have two sessions in OpenWeek :) | 21:22 |
| JontheEchidna | The "kdewallet has opened a wallet" Notification is so redundant. You already have a popup window asking for your password | 21:42 |
| JontheEchidna | plus it uses the term "kdewallet" | 21:42 |
| anpu | Hello, i was sent here to ask for some special problem i have after upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 | 21:44 |
| anpu | after upgrade (which had some errors), I dont see desktop, firefox and some other stuff on starting, send me to os login screen | 21:45 |
| anpu | and also while loading os, there should be 5 icons, i have only 3: hdd, settings and kmenu one | 21:46 |
| anpu | this is my xsession-errors http://pastebin.com/f1e3713dd | 21:46 |
| anpu | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade passed with no changes, like all is ok | 21:47 |
| anpu | anyone have idea wth is going on? :-) | 21:47 |
| DaSkreecH | JontheEchidna: But redundancy is wonderful :) | 21:48 |
| Quintasan | anpu: did you try moving or deleting .kde dir? | 21:49 |
| Quintasan | anpu: it will reset your settings but migh help | 21:49 |
| anpu | no i didnt yet, i ll do right now | 21:50 |
| DaSkreecH | anpu: rename it | 21:50 |
| DaSkreecH | dont' delete it | 21:50 |
| DaSkreecH | I see you have kontact and all your mail is inside .kde | 21:50 |
| anpu | oki i renamed to .kde_old | 21:51 |
| anpu | going to restart :) | 21:51 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'd file a bug on b.k.o | 21:52 |
| milovan | ok it did a trick | 21:55 |
| === milovan is now known as anpu | ||
| Quintasan | anpu: works? | 21:55 |
| anpu | at least on starting other programs, it doesnt redirect me to login | 21:55 |
| anpu | well, yeah, loaded all 5 icons and all seems ok, though still one program reporting crash | 21:56 |
| anpu | tried to send report but need to login to launchpad | 21:57 |
| anpu | anyway, thanks both Quintasan and DaSkreecH for help :) | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | anpu: you're welcome :) | 21:58 |
| Quintasan | hmm did that guy that wanted to help with documentation got here? | 21:58 |
| anpu | I just need to accept I m not lucky with upgrading ^^ | 21:58 |
| Quintasan | You're not the only one :P | 21:58 |
| Quintasan | for me, each kde update == lol delete .kde | 21:59 |
| anpu | hehe | 21:59 |
| Quintasan | except for the minor ones :D | 21:59 |
| anpu | at least you knew the trick, i was always reinstalling all and loosing data :s | 21:59 |
| anpu | though now this time i made one /home partition :) | 22:00 |
| anpu | well, wont bother you much, thanks and bye ! :) | 22:00 |
| Quintasan | woah, that reminds me to install Konversation | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | that reminds me, Konversation 1.2 final needs a backport to 9.04 | 22:02 |
| Quintasan | :D | 22:02 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| ghostcube | ok update went fine | 22:23 |
| ghostcube | :) | 22:23 |
| ghostcube | good work guys | 22:23 |
| ScottK | Wonderful. Another qt4-x11 security update on the way .... | 22:46 |
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