[00:00] they say that it will be available in 4.4, nice new === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [00:31] \o/ [00:31] yuriy: thanks for pointing that out [00:32] the last bullet is just a poor translation...but yes..I can see how cutoff text is a problem [00:33] I suppose I will look into that for the next release [00:33] great job guys! [00:33] the balance is that it also has to work on small screens [00:40] * JontheEchidna was in/traveling to/from Plimouth Plantation in Mass today [00:41] great job JontheEchidna! [00:41] you too :) [00:42] userconfig would still be a pleasant "maybe some day" idea without your effort === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: the distro with good looking developers | No Todo link! Take a load off! | 9.10 Released, Woo! \o/ [01:23] no more bugs tonight, I should be partying! [01:23] fortunately there haven't been many reports. Most of those came during RC. More than I've ever seen anyway [01:25] * JontheEchidna hits the blogs [01:26] Wow, KDE was the focal point of computerworld's Ubuntu 9.10 article: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324380/ubuntu_9_10_karmic_koala_release_gives_kde_boost?fp=4&fpid=1968336438 [01:36] Ha, we should have marketed this as trying to scare the competition, what with Halloweeen being in 2 days [01:44] huh? [01:44] halloween? [01:45] what do kde and halloween ahve in common? [01:45] the kubuntu release was two days from halloween, is all [01:48] JontheEchidna: you still mispelled Plimoth Plantation!! [01:48] oops [01:48] have you been? It's quite neat [01:49] got to go on their Mayflower replica, even [01:49] yeah i've been twice in 5th grade and middle school [01:58] cool [03:24] is there likely to be a solid device browser within dolphin ? [03:38] js [03:38] oops [07:04] good morning :) [07:05] Sine I don't use Amarok with the Karmic packages, I wonder if there is a packaging problem, I have a guy with that error when he starts Amarok: "could not find requested component: mediadevices" [07:39] http://www.techworld.com.au/article/324380/ubuntu_9_10_karmic_koala_release_gives_kde_boost [07:39] :) === jussi01 is now known as jussi01_ [07:55] good morning === jussi01_ is now known as jussi01 [08:55] does Kopeta work with msn in Karmic? [09:13] Mamarok: it works [09:34] <\sh> morning [09:34] <\sh> Sput, awake? did you miss the train? ;) [09:39] can somebody have an eye on #kubuntu, please? I am hungry... [10:07] http://www.anhalter.net/tools/bofh/index.php only for the ones doesnt know :D [10:08] i love this one [10:10] Choqok crashed just now [10:49] ulysses__: I use it since Jaunty and it never crashed on me [10:49] this was the first, but I can restart it [10:50] Ayatana is cooler than the "older" notifies [11:06] hm, new packages for the updater, were there problems? [11:46] Mamarok: there's always problems to be fixed [11:58] ok, just so I can point people to it === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [12:28] hiho [12:34] Are we still using kvkbd? It's up for adoption in Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542799 [12:34] Debian bug 542799 in wnpp "RFA: kvkbd -- Virtual keyboard for KDE" [Normal,Open] [12:35] it's in our seeds, wasn't there a plasma replacement? [12:36] * ScottK recalls something about it. [12:38] plasma-widget-plasmaboard [12:42] task for today: get down to inbox zero! [13:06] dtchen: SinceI don't know if you read planet KDE, I thought I'd pass this on: http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/so-how-does-the-kde-pulseaudio-support-work-anyway/ [13:09] are the qt4 demos/examples not included in any qt package? [13:10] they are in qt4-demos afaik [13:12] ohmy, the disabling of apport va /etc/default/apport disables Dr. Konqi too :/ [13:12] for app crash handling [13:12] hooray for patches [13:12] * apachelogger does the patch dance [13:13] that patch will fry for 10.04 [13:13] how about: fry any patch for 10.04? :P [13:13] but as it stands, no dr. konqui by default for anybody unless they manually edit /etc/defaults/apport [13:13] worth an SRU? [13:14] it is [13:14] if I do killall -SEGV dolphin I get drkonqi [13:14] what needs edited? [13:14] upstream will give us a beat if no way to comfortably retrace [13:14] Riddell: /etc/default/apport [13:14] I would suppose apport needs to be turned on [13:14] kubuntu_07_apport_by_default needs dropping [13:14] oh, that came out wrong [13:14] apport needs to be activated it seems [13:15] /etc/default/apport needs on, but apport-kde has to be uninstalled for it to work [13:16] the only thing that patch does is disable drkonqi if apport-kde exists and /etc/default/apport has enabled=1 [13:16] I have enabled=0 (without editing anything) and thus drkonqi remains enabled [13:16] oh, hmm. it's working now [13:17] that's good [13:17] if you disable it in /e/d/apport it won't take affect for apps which are already running or which are launched with kdeinit [13:22] debfx: Fixed quassel backport is building now. [13:29] [09:29:17] mart * r1042670 runtime/trunk/KDE/kdebase/ (5 files in 3 dirs): KNotificationItem->KStatusNotifierItem [13:29] \o/ [13:32] * ScottK agateau will have a fun afternoon. [13:32] * ScottK ... thinks ... [13:34] ScottK: I am already having a fun afternoon on #plasma :) [13:34] Based on the kde-devel mail, I'm not suprised. [13:34] JontheEchidna: i had a patch that would probably fix that but i never got to putting it in bzr [13:35] JontheEchidna: bug 439758 [13:36] Launchpad bug 439758 in kde4libs "KDE crash handler is used if apport-kde is not present, even if apport-gtk is" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439758 [13:36] although no, i don't see why the old/current behavior would disable dr konqi [13:38] it doesn't, my mistake [14:00] markey: good to see a positive article but it seems to say Canonical does all the work on Kubuntu [14:00] Yeah. I appreciated that Canonical wrote the Firefox installer [14:01] that wasn't Riddell right? [14:01] apachelogger did that [14:01] Yep. [14:01] like, all of it [14:02] hm [14:02] BTW, apachelogger: If a fresh install is just finished and there's no local package cache, then installer thinks Firefox is already installed since (apparently) it assumes lack of something to install means it's done. [14:02] I am working on my application as kubuntu dev at canonical [14:02] so that the statement can become true :D [14:03] ScottK: yeah, I saw that [14:03] You'll need a canoe then. [14:03] ScottK: no local cache also makes software-properties write bad sources.list files [14:03] ScottK: not sure what the most sensible solution to that would be [14:03] it seems to be causing a lot of issues [14:03] The multi-media installer has the same problem. [14:03] hmmmm [14:03] how about running apt-get update in update-notifier-kde? [14:03] What if there's no network? [14:04] then the command should fail as always [14:04] I actually wonder [14:04] why did we not have that issue before9.10? [14:04] Dunno. [14:04] I did more install testing for 9.10, so I don't know that it's actually new [14:04] something must have changed for sure :D [14:05] ScottK: I never triaged any bug report like that [14:05] JontheEchidna: ? [14:05] I seem to remember people complaining before about not being able to apt-get install anything before apt-get updating [14:05] in #kubuntu [14:06] need to poke ubuntu doods how they address this [14:06] they sure must be affected as well [14:06] apachelogger: Jockey is affected. [14:07] The bug report referenced in known issues about jockey has some discussion I think [14:07] ScottK: gnome UI too? [14:07] Yep [14:07] hm [14:07] I reported it as a jockey-kde issue and pitti said it was general. Read the bug. [14:07] well, for kfi it could just chain-execute install-package -u and install-package -i firefox [14:08] thus enforcing an update before install [14:08] though I think a global solution would make more sense [14:08] maybe we can get kpk's update checker to solve the issue? [14:09] Sounds like the solution is dont' have software-properities write bad source files. [14:09] I think i've seen something about this here before, but what am i missing: [14:09] ScottK: it only writes bad source files because no update was run before, as I understood? [14:09] CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake:19 (file): file Internal CMake error when trying to open file: /usr/include/phonon/phononnamespace.h for reading. [14:10] I have libqt4-phonon-dev [14:10] apachelogger: Right, but with no network an update may not be possible. It should be smarter. [14:15] * yuriy wonders why kdevplatform needs phonon anyway [14:18] wit no network an installation is neither possible [14:19] EagleScreen: That's true, but currently it says it's already installed. [14:19] It should know it's not installed and it can't be now. [14:19] that sounds like a package-install bug [14:21] what happens if in this conditions you try to install with apt or aptitude? [14:21] saying there ins't package? [14:21] Yes, it'll fail. [14:22] It won't say you have the package already [14:22] why package install do it? [14:22] bug in package-install code? or in python-apt code? [14:23] No idea. [14:23] it seems install-package does not depend on python-apt [14:24] it depends on gdebi-kde! is gdebi affected by this? [14:25] can apt-cache be deleted by hand to test these cases? [14:27] EagleScreen: install-package -> gdebi-kde -> gdebi-core -> python-apt [14:29] ScottK: I do [read Planet KDE], and we collaborate with Colin for debugging. [14:30] found a bug in kpackagekit here === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:48] hi [14:48] hello [14:48] how can i help developping kubuntu? [14:49] that all depends on what you're into [14:49] coder, documenter, packager, bug triager, user support et al [14:49] I have a base on Java and C# [14:51] but i guess that's not usefull at all [14:51] we tend to use python and C++ when coding, although that's not the majority of what we do [14:51] postkaart: do you have karmic installed? [14:51] C++ is rather complicated, python is what i'm starting with. most java projects for linux are rather standalone opensource projects [14:52] postkaart: first step is to hang around in this chat room, so you've done the right thing already :) [14:52] I just installed karmic on my laptop with no success: internet fails on me (wireless) so i'll rather try the old nm-applet [14:53] or reinstall 9.04 [14:54] postkaart: wifi worked in 9.04 but not 9.10? [14:55] yeah but laptop support has always been tricky anyways [14:55] on school last year when using 8.10 it used to crash just trying to connect to wpa enterprise while just doing fine on WEP [14:56] 9.04 jaunty fixed the cause, now it seems broken again somehow [14:56] but don't dig too deep, i didn't yet study the case to figure out the problem [14:57] postkaart: i had luck deleting all the wireless networks and starting from scratch ... seems networks created in 9.04 doesn't really work in 9.10 [14:59] a|wen-dtu: 9.04 crashed in september after updating (causing mouse issues) due need for a linux distro i quickly installed linux mint. Karmic install was from scratch. [14:59] the upgrade script should delete the old network conf anyway [14:59] can anyone tell me what actually changed in the networkmanager from 9.04 to 9.10? [15:00] postkaart: it's a bit of a rewrite, and the GUI is entirely simplified (not a plasmoid) [15:01] Riddell: ahh, cool ... probably updated to early for that [15:01] Riddell: mentioned the plasmoid is gone: it actually looks like nm-applet from gnome now.. [15:07] as for developping what is preferred? python or c++. C++ sounds familiar as I already know C# though, i'll have to adjust to garbage collection and pointers and stuff like that. [15:08] can someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/464961 for me, plasma crashes when attempting to paste text with a hyperlink on the desktop and choosing "Notes" [15:08] Error: This bug is private [15:09] KDE 4.3.2 on karmic [15:09] can you un-private it please? [15:09] postkaart: it depends on the project, most of our original development is in python, we sometimes patch other bits in c++ [15:09] postkaart: but most of what we do is packaging and fixing packages [15:10] better :) [15:10] :) [15:10] Riddell: I figured, but nevertheless I'd like to help developping :) [15:10] postkaart: you can start by fixing the qyoto package and then you can use C# ;) [15:10] I've tried it a few times, and always crashes [15:10] tsimpson: crashes here too [15:11] but not if I drag the text to the desktop [15:11] only middle-click crashes [15:12] any ideas on the FindPhonon problem ^^? [15:12] yuriy: seems quite complicated still thanks for the tip. I'm still in college, i'm not that advanced^^ [15:13] * Riddell notes that 4.3.3 is due to appear sometime today [15:13] yuriy: reinstall kdelibs5-dev, I believe [15:13] actually that particular packaging bug is quite simple and could be a good start if you want to get into packaging. but sounds like you want to code [15:13] JontheEchidna: crashes when I choose "Web Browser" too, so it's not just Notes [15:13] postkaart: so if you want to help with packaging KDE 4.3.3 that'll be happening soon [15:13] kde bug 202420 [15:13] postkaart: so maybe you can help JontheEchidna and apachelogger c++ify our python utilities [15:13] KDE bug 202420 in general "both mouse buttons, get context menu crashes plasma" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202420 [15:14] ooh, I didn't see that one [15:15] yuriy: i'll give it a go soon after this weekend (if it's still not fixed) as I'll be gone for the weekend. [15:15] JontheEchidna: nope still no /usr/include/phonon. why is it looking there and not the qt one? i assume this actually works since otherwise no packages would ever get built [15:15] yuriy: could you rephrase that please? [15:15] yuriy: might have to install the libqt4-phonon-dev too [15:15] JontheEchidna: already have it [15:16] tried reinstalling too [15:16] *reinstall [15:16] oh [15:17] postkaart: various things like jockey and update-notifier are currently in python and some would like to see them rewritten in C++ so they'll take up less memory [15:17] I've linked kde bug #196416 to the report [15:17] KDE bug 196416 in general "(testcase) Selecting a widget to paste the URL mimedata (middle-click) on Plasma crashes it (QMimeDataPrivate::retrieveTypedData, ,Plasma::ContainmentPrivate::dropData)" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196416 [15:17] <_Sime> yuriy: are you sure that is why update-notifier takes so much memory? [15:18] yuriy: jockey is probably less feasible, unless we want to make our own c++ backend [15:18] * tsimpson would kike to see update-notifier-kde written in C++ [15:18] JontheEchidna: yeah i don't remember what the other thing was off the top of my head [15:18] printer-applet [15:18] that needs a backend too [15:18] _Sime: a similar app in c++ took around 4 times less RAM (Kapplication that makes notifications) [15:19] at idle, doing nothing [15:19] <_Sime> JontheEchidna: I must warn you that it is rather hard to measure memory, esp. with heaps of shared libs etc. [15:20] it showed up as sitting at 10 MB of unshared memory at idle [15:20] (update-notifier-kde did) [15:21] then we reduced overhead of the C++ port further by making it into a kded module: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-notification-helper/trunk [15:21] _Sime: I agree, but still an increase of 3 times can't be ignored? [15:23] <_Sime> postkaart: the question isn't "does 3x matter". The question is "is it worth spending the developer effort on an optimisation which may bring ram use from 1% of sys mem to 0.3% of sys mem?" [15:24] for an app that is supposed to be constantly running, yes [15:24] it effectively takes ram off the system from login [15:24] especially if we have multiple python notification-oriented apps running. Then 10 MB becomes 20 or 30 [15:25] then you take 6% of a low-end computer's ram --at idle-- for notifications that are rarely seen [15:25] might also speed up login [15:25] and when there seems to be no way to quit it unless there are notifications in the sys-tray... [15:27] _Sime: yes you are correct actually, effort should be taken into consideration as well the percentage of ram used is determined by the system running it. [15:28] and we're not expecting a 8 year old pc to be still running 9.10 do we? [15:28] * JontheEchidna has a 6 year old PC that is running 9.10 [15:29] killall python has been one of my first commands on a fresh boot for a while now [15:29] <_Sime> JontheEchidna: but you don't have multiple python notification-oriented apps running. [15:29] update-notifier-kde, jockey, printer-applet-kde [15:29] <_Sime> JontheEchidna: why optimise so early? There are surely other more important features to do first. [15:30] I actually did most of the work during a freeze week when I had nothing else to do [15:31] not too much effort expended on my part [15:32] <_Sime> maybe. But the C++ will still need to maintained. And you might not be around for ever. [15:32] <_Sime> that is a cost as well. [15:33] _Sime: it seems to me we've had more trouble with maintaining PyQt stuff than anything C++ (e.g. that has-to-be-a-KMainWindow bug that's still around) [15:33] the code is quite modular and clean. certainly cleaner than what we wrote for update-notifier-kde [15:33] _Sime: the current cpp code is about 5 billion times more maintainable than what we had in python [15:34] getting the python thingy in shape would have equaled a rewrite anyway :D [15:35] is update-notifier-kde written in oo? [15:35] (i don't know anything about python so sorry for this.) [15:35] oo? [15:35] Object-Oriented [15:35] ah, OOP.. [15:35] yes [15:36] python is an object-orientated language [15:36] Riddell: hi [15:36] tsimpson: thanks. maybe i should look up some examples to see what python is all about. [15:37] it's not too difficult to learn, and it has a huge standard library [15:37] postkaart: It's about the Full Monty! [15:37] jussi01: Don't look now [15:38] python has its uses, I just don't think that tray notifications are its niche exactly [15:38] <_Sime> my congrats to the openoffice-kde people. It looks good once you turn off the GUI scaling (which screws everything up) [15:38] _Sime: Where is the GUI scaling? [15:38] ya, the OpenOffice intergration is sweet [15:39] <_Sime> alteroo: some obscure option in the OO prefs. [15:39] thanks _Sime! shtylman^ [15:39] <_Sime> alteroo: under "View" [15:39] * _Sime wishes the someone would fix the GTK file dialog in FF. [15:40] :) [15:40] Didn't Suse patch it to use KDE dialogs and Buttons? [15:40] I'm off, cya guys later. [15:41] hi alteroo [15:41] at least the dialogs [15:41] Riddell: Reporting [15:41] Riddell: What this about updating the Webstie now? [15:42] alteroo: what's what about updating the website? [15:43] Riddell: You asked yesterday if I would update the website for the errors I noticed [15:43] <_Sime> has anyone tried gnash lately? [15:43] alteroo: oh, you had a different nick? [15:43] Yes [15:43] Jad [15:43] _Sime: Set scaling to 0% instead of 100% ? [15:43] <_Sime> alteroo: just use 100%. [15:44] <_Sime> alteroo: I had 80% in there for some reason. [15:44] It still looks funy [15:44] The bottom half of all the checkboxes are cut off [15:45] <_Sime> I had that problem, scaling fixed it. [15:46] Hmmok let me try 80 % :) [15:46] alteroo: if you would be able to update the FAQ that would be great, I can give you the current text if you want to edit it [15:47] alteroo: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/faq [15:47] Riddell: sure. email ? [15:47] alteroo: that file there ^^ [15:47] ok Looking at it [15:48] * alteroo hugs kio :) === alteroo is now known as DasKreech [15:49] ah, it's DasKreech. well why didn't you say so [15:49] I was busy sorry [15:49] Installing Koala for a business [15:50] and the stupid intel driver was segfaulting the kernel [15:51] Glanced at the website and noticed that it was a bit out of date and dropped by to see if anyone had noticed it [15:51] Since I'm editing it anyone have anythign else they would like tosee in the FAQ? [15:56] Riddell: Any Release notes to link to? [15:59] DasKreech: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 has the known problems [15:59] Riddell: Thanks. [16:00] I noticed there are no Release notes/changelog linked from the main site [16:01] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-release links to it [16:04] There is a KDE 3 Karmic Koala ! :-) [16:04] it just won't go away [16:04] probably something to put in the FAQ that [16:05] Ok I'll make an addition for that [16:14] Speaking of which, Riddell, if kb9vqf has ported the KDE 3 KNM to NM 0.8, then isn't there some svn somewhere that should get the fixes? [16:20] ScottK: I don't remember, it was mostly developed in novell's secret cave I think [16:20] Riddell: OK. We removed it, right? [16:22] it's not in our archives [16:22] it might be worth notifying kde-packager incase there are other distros using it [16:22] kb9vqf: want me to do that? [16:42] Riddell: Take out Dapper? [16:44] DasKreech: yes [16:44] and hardy [16:44] hi nookie^, I got a few comments about how pretty the banner is [16:54] Riddell: im glad to hear that =)) [16:54] even thow it could be made alot better but it will be better next time i'll promess =) [17:00] Riddell: RIght click -> actions -> Edit as Root is going to come back in Dolphin ? [17:05] Riddell, ScottK: The updated source is only in the PPA [17:05] I would really like to apply my patches to mainline SVN, but haven't had the time yet [17:06] If someone wants to extract the source from the PPA and put it into SVN, I would really appreciate it! === m4v_ is now known as m4v [17:27] DasKreech: I don't think so (edit as root). If you want that, install Krusader. [17:27] Who knows with policykit coming to KDE 4.4 though [17:33] ScottK: So I'll take it out of the FAQ then [17:34] kb9vqf: We are putting your work in the Kubuntu FAQ. Anything you want to say? [17:34] Does the KDE Site have any statement of Freedom? [17:35] hola karmic update 1,9 gigs :D [17:38] DasKreech: The first words on http://kde.org/ are "Be free" [17:44] ScottK: Yes I know that I"m trying to highlight what that means :) [17:44] feel free sounds better or ? [17:44] ghostcube: SOunds like a harrasment suit :) [17:45] DasKreech: That KDE3 will be maintained/developed for a long, long time? :) [17:45] * kb9vqf doesn't really know *what* to say [17:46] kb9vqf: I'm working that into it [17:46] i shoudlnt always install every app i never use again before i take update :D [17:47] would reduce my download rofl [17:47] ghostcube: check for old Kernel versions [17:47] easy way: dpkg -l | grep 2.6. | grep image [17:47] nah i doing update to karmic i have 1,9 gig to donwnload [17:47] If you still want KDE3, there is a community maintained Kubuntu remix available ... [17:47] i think cause i have to many installed [17:47] DasKreech: ^^ [17:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/305240/ [17:49] REview please [17:51] Grammar on "I miss KDE3 Why did it go away?" should be "I miss KDE3; why did it go away?" or "I miss KDE3--Why did it go away?" [17:51] either of the alternatives are acceptable, though I do like the first alternative [17:52] kb9vqf: Thanks [17:52] There should also be a period after "KDE3 Remix for Kubuntu" ;) [17:52] Otherwise, good work! [17:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/305243/ [17:55] Any thing else people think should be mentioned in the FAQ? [17:56] There is a bit in there about gutsy I'm not sure if thats valuable to stay in there [17:56] * kb9vqf would guess it should be removed [17:57] Gutsy has reached it's EOL already IIRC [17:57] Gutsy is not an LTS, so I think Mamarok is correct [17:57] Yeah I've taken out other references [17:57] !gutsy [17:57] Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) was the seventh release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 18th, 2009. See !eol and !upgrade for more details. [17:58] !cookie [17:58] Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [17:58] and Hardy was never LTS for Kubuntu neither [17:58] !hardy [17:58] Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details. [17:58] only the Ubuntu parts [17:58] I still don't know what that means [17:59] well, kernel updates and such, but all things KDE not [17:59] But the gutsy section says that removing that file is not needed in Gutsy does that mean from Gutsy onwards? [17:59] which is normal, since Hardy was still KDE 3.5.10 [17:59] I"m not sure about teh validity of that whole section [17:59] * Mamarok checks [18:00] Mamarok: Right but the servers are still up the files are still there peopel can keep using htem as long the hardy servers are up so it's kinda a strange statement I think [18:00] Does any of those Konqueror commands make sense now ? [18:01] That's a horribly structured sentence [18:01] DasKreech: well, the Kubuntu devs clearly stated that there is no support for Kubuntu in Hardy beyond the 18 months life [18:02] so in #kubuntu we do not support Hardy anymore and send people over to #ubuntu for system related stuff if they insist [18:02] Mamarok: I know that [18:06] can someone review http://www.kubuntu.org/faq#defaultkonq and let me know what should change? [18:06] Hmm I"ll add the release notes in the what's new section [18:14] Riddell: Ping [18:20] hmm, can I safely get rid of PulseAudio? [18:20] it's causing stuttering here [18:20] and I have no need for it [18:20] you should be able to, normally [18:21] Mamarok: last time I tried, I could not access my soundcard at all [18:21] we'll see [18:21] in the meantime I wish Poettering all the best. including herpes, ebola, and the pest [18:21] I don't have it installed [18:22] DasKreech: markey's soundcard dindn't work anymore on Karmic without Pulse... [18:22] Ouch [18:22] maybe that's fixed now, lemme try [18:22] This video card won't work with the kernel [18:22] Cest la vie [18:23] seems to work again :) [18:23] goodbye PA, nice meeting you. send poettering greetings [18:23] markey: a good kick in the.... :) [18:24] many people have issues with germans. after meeting poettering, I can see why that is :) [18:24] giving us all a bad rep [18:28] DasKreech: please, no shouting, there is alredy too much noise in #k without it [18:29] Mamarok: Sorry :) [18:29] you know the rules === njpatel is now known as njpatel|away [18:35] * DasKreech hugs Mamarok. See you later [18:55] Anyone knows about the Kubuntu Konqueror changes ? [19:08] are there any anymore? [19:09] I don't think so I just need to know which ones are valid for the FAQ [19:18] The Gutsy thing can go away, it was only relevant to KDE3. [19:18] DasKreech: ^^ [19:19] ScottK: as in the sentence before where it says Gutsy ? [19:19] So everythign before sudo cp [19:20] DasKreech: Yeah, the one that starts "To get back to the default KDE profiles: ..." [19:20] The Dolphin Tar and Zip one can go away too. [19:21] ScottK: Drat I just put that one in :-) [19:21] Let me check for sure. [19:21] * ScottK consults the source [19:23] DasKreech: Confirmed. It can go. [19:23] DasKreech: Can we say that we are a sibling of Ubuntu, not a derivative. [19:24] I don't know that's not my call [19:25] I don't have a problem with that other than we are more like a derivative than a sibling [19:25] Mint is a derivative. [19:25] We co-develop with Ubuntu, so derivative isn't really correct. [19:25] Riddell: ^^^ What say you? [19:26] Sure, we may be the younger sibling that gets beat up all the time, but we're still family [19:28]