[00:01] <Guest94132> hi
[00:02] <Guest94132> so I have been having fun with karmic koala today
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Guest94132: please try #ubuntu
[00:02] <BUGabundo> this # is for bug triaging
[00:02] <BUGabundo> thanks
[00:02] <Guest94132> ok
[00:02] <Guest94132> sorry
[00:03] <Guest94132> may I note a bug that I found?
[00:03] <MsMaco> sure
[00:04] <Guest94132> udev removed a program called vol_id as of late, with blkid as replacement
[00:04] <Guest94132> blkid is part of util-linux-ng
[00:05] <Guest94132> now, I have to detect filesystems on external harddrives
[00:05] <Guest94132> they are usually ufs, of zfs
[00:05] <Guest94132> blkid is capable to detect these on Archlinux
[00:05] <Guest94132> however, koala's blkid is not
[00:05] <Guest94132> for some reason
[00:07] <MsMaco> can you file a bug on util-linux-ng? "ubuntu-bug -p util-linux-ng"
[00:08] <MsMaco> it may be a compile option, or it may be a different version number
[00:08] <MsMaco> do you know the version # for util-linux-ng in arch?
[00:08] <BUGabundo> MsMaco: no need for -p
[00:09] <BUGabundo> that's apport-cli
[00:09] <Guest94132> yeah
[00:09] <Guest94132> arch is 1.16
[00:09] <Guest94132> i mean
[00:09] <Guest94132> 2.16
[00:09] <micahg> BUGabundo: it was originally in there but deprecated AFAIK
[00:10] <MsMaco> BUGabundo: doh. ok thanks for the reminder
[00:10] <Guest94132> the -p is circumventing the cache, I think
[00:10] <Guest94132> in /etc/blkid.tab
[00:11] <MsMaco> libblkid1
[00:11] <MsMaco> ?
[00:11] <MsMaco> 2.16 here too
[00:11] <Guest94132> yeah
[00:11] <MsMaco> either arch has a patch, or its a compile option
[00:11] <Guest94132> 2.16.1
[00:11] <Guest94132> mmh
[00:11] <BUGabundo> !info libblkid
[00:11] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Package libblkid does not exist in karmic
[00:11] <MsMaco> there's a 1 at the end
[00:11] <Guest94132> so what I did was I pulled the current git version
[00:12] <BUGabundo> !info libblkid1
[00:12] <ubot4> BUGabundo: libblkid1 (source: util-linux): block device id library. In component main, is required. Version 2.16-1ubuntu5 (karmic), package size 85 kB, installed size 192 kB
[00:12] <MsMaco> !info libblkid1
[00:12] <ubot4> MsMaco: libblkid1 (source: util-linux): block device id library. In component main, is required. Version 2.16-1ubuntu5 (karmic), package size 85 kB, installed size 192 kB
[00:12] <Guest94132> yup
[00:12] <Guest94132> 2.16.1
[00:12] <Guest94132> that is the ubuntu version
[00:12] <Guest94132> 2.16 is the Arch version
[00:12] <Guest94132> I think the problem goes deeper though
[00:12] <Guest94132> so on debian stable
[00:13] <Guest94132> the filesystems are also detected
[00:13] <Guest94132> that is udev 125 or something
[00:15] <MsMaco> its 2.16-1, not .1. and yes, they mean different things
[00:15] <Guest94132> oh - ok
[00:16] <Guest94132> I guess I thought ubuntu was using testing
[00:16] <Guest94132> debian testing, that is
[00:16] <Guest94132> anyways
[00:16] <Guest94132> debian testing has the exact same problem as koala
[00:16] <Guest94132> whereas stable and Archlinux dont
[00:17] <Guest94132> I am not sure where to look first
[00:17] <Guest94132> so again, I pulled the git snapshot from kernel.org
[00:17] <Guest94132> compiled
[00:17] <Guest94132> and it seems that the version does not make a difference
[00:18] <Guest94132> so I believe it has to do with udev settings or something similar
[00:18] <Guest94132> if that makes sense at all
[00:18] <Guest94132> oh, I didnt mention
[00:18] <Guest94132> ext4/3 and a swap partition are recognized
[00:19] <Guest94132> by blkid
[00:19] <Guest94132> I checked the Ubuntu kernel config
[00:19] <Guest94132> and it should be able to recognize solaris x86 ufs partitions
[00:19] <MsMaco> ubuntu is based off sid/unstable, not testing
[00:20] <Guest94132> ok
[00:20] <Guest94132> but the udev version is of course higher than that of debian stable
[00:21] <Guest94132> actually, atm I am just wondering if anyone can confirm this
[00:22] <MsMaco> i dont have anything with those filesystems
[00:22] <Guest94132> mmh
[00:22] <MsMaco> file a bug, and...if you're not on identi.ca, i can send a message to the ubuntu group asking for a confirmer
[00:23] <Guest94132> ok, thanks a lot! I am not on identi.ca  - what is that?
[00:24] <MsMaco> its an open source microblogging platform.... or "open source twitter"
[00:24] <Guest94132> ah :)
[00:24] <MsMaco> there are groups so you can say "hey, !ubuntu users...anyone have issues with zfs/ufs?" and everyone in the ubuntu group (instead of just your followers) will see it
[00:25] <Guest94132> cool :) Thanks a lot
[00:25] <Guest94132> gonna file a bug report
[00:25] <BUGabundo> think of groups as mailinglist
[00:26] <BUGabundo> but you need to join a group
[00:26] <BUGabundo> to be able to send a notice to it
[00:30] <MsMaco> ......that's how mailing lists work to
[00:30] <MsMaco> *too
[00:36] <Guest94132> :) seems like a nice idea
[00:37] <BUGabundo> I like it
[00:37] <BUGabundo> I luv it
[00:42]  * BUGabundo adb push /home/BUGabundo /dev/bed
[00:42] <Guest94132> :)
[00:53] <Guest94132> MsMaco: the bug has been filed under
[00:53] <Guest94132> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/463981
[00:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463981 in util-linux "blkid does not recognize UFS/ZFS partitions" [Undecided,New]
[00:53] <MsMaco> Guest94132: ok
[00:54] <Guest94132> thank you very much for your help
[00:56] <MsMaco> http://identi.ca/notice/13271478 there ya go. hopefully someone will see it and confirm your bug
[00:56] <MsMaco> (im not in the !Xubuntu group....just sent to the ones I'm in since I cant send to ones im not in)
[00:57] <Guest94132> :) I am astinished by the help received here - thanks!
[00:57] <MsMaco> haha no problem
[00:58] <Guest94132> well, seems unusual to me :)
[01:00] <MsMaco> the channel's unusually quiet. i think everybody's partying about the release
[01:01] <Guest94132> hehe - I guess I am a party pooper filing bugs
[01:04]  * micahg just filed a wishlist bug :)
[01:08] <Guest94132> Alright - good night and thanks again, Ms Maco.
[01:09] <Guest94132> ;)
[01:10] <MsMaco> good night
[02:02] <kklimonda> great, I cant mark bug as public because the icon to click isn't there in Epiphany.. I probably should just go to sleep
[02:03] <kklimonda> oh, wait - it may be hidden by some adblock rule.. hmm..
[02:04] <kklimonda> nope, It's just not there..
[02:05] <micahg> kklimonda: there was a similar problem in chromium
[02:05] <kklimonda> micahg, I've already had this problem (missing lock icon) in the android browser few days ago :)
[02:05] <micahg> bug397457
[02:05] <kklimonda> thanks
[02:05] <micahg> bug 397457
[02:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 397457 in malone "Bug privacy edit icon is not visible in WebKit browsers" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397457
[02:08] <MsMaco> hahaha
[02:53] <Lord_Ahriman> anybody have problems with ubuntu 9.10 in hp pavilion dv2000 models ?
[02:54] <Lord_Ahriman> u_U
[02:55] <Lord_Ahriman> anybody have problems with ubuntu 9.10 in hp pavilion dv2000 models ?
[02:57] <micahg> Lord_Ahriman: please be more specific
[02:57] <Lord_Ahriman> okay micahg
[02:58] <micahg> keep in mind this is the bugs channel, not support
[02:58] <Lord_Ahriman> the problem is!! when u start the ubuntu!! appear a warning about my disc contain errors!! gdu-notification-daemon
[02:58] <Lord_Ahriman> i know is a bug channel
[02:58] <Lord_Ahriman> that is the reason to find with if somebody have the same problem
[02:59] <micahg> I haven't seem that one yet
[03:00] <Lord_Ahriman> is weird!!
[03:00] <Lord_Ahriman> i have installed 9.10 in another desktop pc!! but runs okay!
[03:00] <Lord_Ahriman> only the problem with disc is on my laptop!!
[03:04] <micahg> Lord_Ahriman: I suggest #ubuntu
[03:04] <Lord_Ahriman> thanks by the way
[03:04] <Lord_Ahriman> i hope find help with that bug! is really disgusting
[03:07] <chrisccoulson> Lord_Ahriman - the gdu-notification-daemon warning appears when your disc is failing
[03:07] <Lord_Ahriman> my disc is new
[03:08] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't really count for much ;)
[03:08] <Andphe> chrisccoulson: there is some issues, example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/454301
[03:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 454301 in gnome-disk-utility "warning given about disk health due to smart not being enabled" [Undecided,New]
[03:21] <hggdh> well actually, Lord_Ahriman ^^^
[06:30] <syn-ack> ok so who's the channel manager of ubuntu+1? I'd like to know when the channels going to reopened since I plan on testing the toolchain
[06:31] <lifeless> if you're doing testing/development, ubuntu-devel is for you
[06:31] <syn-ack> in there already. :P
[06:34] <MsMaco> i dont think it opens til alpha 1...
[06:35] <syn-ack> MsMaco, alright... good to know
[06:45] <mac_v> syn-ack: its invite-only until alpha1 , after which the channel is open
[06:46] <syn-ack> mac_v, who would I need to contact about getting an invite?
[06:46] <mac_v> syn-ack: maybe try asking in the -ops? or Pici might know more about it
[06:47] <syn-ack> good deal. I'll lurk till I see him active.
[06:47] <syn-ack> Thanks for the info
[06:47] <mac_v> np :)
[06:48] <MsMaco> thats good to know
[06:48] <MsMaco> thanks
[06:48] <mac_v> MsMaco: whats with the new nick? ;)
[06:49] <MsMaco> maco is on jussi01's quassel core
[06:49] <MsMaco> which is down
[06:49] <mac_v> ah :)
[06:49] <MsMaco> i dont want to be using the nick when it comes back online
[06:49] <jussi01> MsMaco: hrr, your not on ubottu.com core are you :/
[06:50] <MsMaco> hmmm?
[06:50] <jussi01> MsMaco: jussi01.com should be back up soon. IM working on it.
[06:50] <MsMaco> im on you .com
[06:50] <MsMaco> heh ok
[06:50] <jussi01> MsMaco: I have alternate backup core
[06:50] <MsMaco> ah
[06:50] <jussi01> dont think you are on there tho
[06:50] <MsMaco> if i am, i was never informed :)
[06:51] <MsMaco> ok i really wish irssi could notice highlights that arent at the beginning of the line
[06:51] <jussi01> syn-ack: thats me. and yeah, alpha 1 is usually it.
[06:52] <syn-ack> jussi01, ah
[06:53] <syn-ack> jussi01, so just report bugs in the toolchain to here and online then?
[06:53] <jussi01> syn-ack: yeah, use LP is probably best
[06:53] <syn-ack> Good deal
[06:54] <mac_v> syn-ack: reporting bugs in u+1 is never the way to go , u+1 is just a support channel where folks hang out ,LP is always the better place
[06:56] <syn-ack> yeah that came out wrong
[10:34] <^arky^> Hi, Anyone seen these ALSA underrun and wake errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304936/
[10:37] <Rocha> hi, i need some help. i just joined bugsquad because i've found some bugs in ubuntu and i'd like to help fixing one of them
[10:38] <Rocha> how can i know who coded the network proxy dialog?
[10:38] <Rocha> i need to get the code to try to fix the bug
[10:38] <micahg> Rocha: great! but we don't fix bugs in here, we triage
[10:38] <micahg> if you want to code, you should look at #ubuntu-motu
[10:38] <Rocha> ok, thanks
[10:47] <^arky^> hi micahg , where do I find specs for writing man pages
[10:48] <micahg> ^arky^: probably better of asking in -motu
[10:48] <micahg> idk
[10:48] <^arky^> ok thanks micahg
[14:05] <ikt> could 9.04 to 9.10 touchpad problems be related to the xorg changes?
[14:08] <kklimonda> ikt, make sure you are running 2.6.31 kernel and not 2.6.28 (just saying)
[14:12] <bddebian> Boo
[14:14] <ikt> this is more of a general question, I'm having no problems with my netbook but a lot of people seem to having an issue upgrading
[14:14] <ikt> issue with their touchpads after upgrading*
[14:19] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1298644 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305630 |  etc
[16:44] <dtchen2> just as a heads-up, I've been seeing a *lot* of bugs filed against alsa-driver that are caused by a dist-upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 failing to properly update the appropriate grub conffile
[16:45] <dtchen2> so, people are reporting that their sound doesn't work, when in fact it's caused by PulseAudio's module-udev-detect bailing due to Jaunty's kernel being used with Karmic's udev
[16:46] <dtchen2> In every instance, asking the reporter to update the grub conffile manually and to reboot into Karmic's kernel has resolved the issue
[16:47] <bdmurray> dtchen2: thanks, do you have an example?
[16:47] <dtchen2> bdmurray, pick just about any bug filed against alsa-driver in the past day where no sound was reported
[16:48] <dtchen2> In all the relevant cases, I've pointed out the kernel version at fault.
[16:49] <dtchen2> I suspect there will be an increase in this symptom being reported, but I don't have cycles this week to troubleshoot where in the update/grub the conffile isn't being added/chosen on boot.
[16:51] <dtchen2> anyhow, back to work
[16:51] <dtchen2> /quit
[16:54] <MsMaco> bdmurray: do you know if the grub-not-updating thing happens on every jaunty -> karmic upgrade?
[16:56] <bdmurray> MsMaco: This is the first I've heard of it.
[16:56] <MsMaco> oh!
[16:57] <MsMaco> it seems like maybe update-grub isnt run in kernel postinst
[16:57] <MsMaco> but if you use grub2 its fine. just grub1 is broken
[16:58] <bdmurray> MsMaco: So I could recreate this by installing Jaunty w/ grub and upgrading to Karmic?
[16:58] <MsMaco> ive heard it reported by a ton of people, but i dont know if *every* upgrader hits it
[16:59] <MsMaco> im about to check my upgraded system
[16:59] <MsMaco> 2.6.31 is in my grub menu, but i need to check "history" and see if i did it manually :P
[17:01] <MsMaco> ok no, it doesnt hit everybody :-/
[17:02] <MsMaco> found out this was happening when lfaraone thought -10 was the current kernel a week ago
[17:03] <bdmurray> Could you elaborate?
[17:04] <MsMaco> how so?
[17:04] <bdmurray> I've no idea what lfaraone though
[17:05] <bdmurray> t
[17:05] <MsMaco> oh
[17:05] <MsMaco> he was helping someone in #ubuntu+1 and said the current kernel was 2.6.31-10 when 2.6.31-14 was
[17:05] <MsMaco> grub hadnt updated in months
[17:06] <JanC> but kernel was installed?
[17:06] <MsMaco> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/447696
[17:06] <bdmurray> and this isn't the apt daily cronjob not running bug?
[17:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 447696 in linux "grub.cfg not getting updated" [Undecided,New]
[17:06] <MsMaco> yes, kernel was installed
[17:07] <MsMaco> i told someone in #kubuntu yesterday to run "update-grub" because they were still booting into jaunty's kernel
[17:08] <MsMaco> they had karmic's kernel but grub was never made aware of it
[17:08] <MsMaco> wait no didnt read far enough into that bug report...
[17:09] <JanC> hm, maybe people who installed both grub & grub2 before upgrade?
[17:10] <MsMaco> *shrug*
[17:13] <JanC> from that bug, seems like he had grub2 installed before
[17:13] <MsMaco> ok launchpad is being broken
[17:14] <MsMaco> it keeps showing me the "login/register" link. i click it, and it says im already logged in. i refresh, and it shows "login/register" again. grrr
[17:19] <MsMaco> ugh! so many bugs of grub screwing up on the jaunty-->karmic upgrade...and all slightly different!
[17:37] <hggdh> yes, LP seems to be slightly broken...
[17:39] <hggdh> oh. If I go to bugs.lp.net (as in the bug MsMaco posted), I get Login/Register. If I change the URL to bugs.EDGE.lp.net, I am logged in
[17:40] <MsMaco> yep
[17:40] <MsMaco> looks like someone tried to fix the single-sign-on thing
[18:00] <hggdh> darn! Now I get an oops on edge.lp
[19:28] <MsMaco> andersk: so you found that bug report a little odd too, eh?
[20:21] <carresmd> can someone look at bug 53868?
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 53868 in update-notifier "update-notifier doesn't notify about available updates" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53868
[20:24] <carresmd> it hasn't notified anything about updates in karmic beta.. And I'm ashamed I didn't update the bug to reflect this!
[20:25] <carresmd> at least for me that is
[20:26] <hggdh> carresmd: here it works
[20:27] <hggdh> and mvo is still assigned to it
[20:28] <carresmd> hggdh, true but his last message there is dating December 2008
[20:28] <carresmd> sorry January 2009
[20:29] <hggdh> yes. But now that you put it back in confirmed, Michael should look at it
[20:30] <carresmd> ok
[20:31] <carresmd> I'll make myself patient. Thanks anyway :-)
[20:49] <returnth`> can I report a UI bug without having to create an account anywhere?
[20:49] <joaopinto> returnth`, no
[20:49] <joaopinto> you need an LP account
[20:51] <returnth`> my wife uses ubuntu and she pointed this out to me.  http://blogs.openaether.org/data/usability.png   is it worth filing a bug over it?
[20:52] <returnth`> using 3 different terms in the UI to refer to the same thing
[20:52] <hggdh> returnth`: I think it is a good idea. Consistency (although a finite phenomenon on the time axis) is good
[20:54] <jpds> bug #382703
[20:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 382703 in hundredpapercuts ""Home Folder" has 3 different names" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382703
[20:54] <returnth`> ah! thnx
[20:55] <hggdh> great jpds :-)
[20:55] <jpds> No probs.
[20:56] <returnth`> there is some serious bike shedding happening there
[20:56] <jsalisbury> I think I may have hit a bug in rsyslog - running Karmic.  However, ubuntu-bug rsyslog says that it is not a genuine ubuntu package.  Are rsyslog bugs not reported against ubuntu?
[20:58] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: what version of rsyslog do you have installed?
[20:59] <jsalisbury> The default that comes with karmic GA.  I'll get the exact version - one second.
[20:59] <hggdh> current is 4.2.0-2ubuntu5
[20:59] <jsalisbury> bdmurray: yes, that is what dpkg reports as well.
[21:00] <bdmurray> that's weird it works for me
[21:00] <hggdh> WFM also
[21:01] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: what command did you use for dpkg?
[21:03] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  dpkg -l rsyslog
[21:03] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  This is my output: http://pastebin.com/m3e19fe9b
[21:04] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: what kind of system / install is that from?
[21:04] <hggdh> also it seems to be a server
[21:05] <jsalisbury> hggdh: yes: http://pastebin.com/d24cd4c42
[21:06] <jsalisbury> bdmurray: This is the 32bit Server version.
[21:06] <jsalisbury> bdmurray: running on a Dell 2950
[21:07] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: that's strange I have a 32 bit server install and don't receive that at all
[21:08] <hggdh> and I tried on a 64b VM server I have, also do not see it
[21:08] <hggdh> weirder and weirder :-)
[21:09] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Hmm, yes strange.  I'll try to track it down further and see what is triggering it.
[21:09] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: I'll poke at the apport code in a bit to see what is up too
[21:10] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Thanks for the help.
[21:11] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  The original issue I was trying to report is that rsyslog won't start listening on any ports  when I configure it to receive logs from remote clients.
[21:14] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Even stranger.  I have an identical system running the same version, and it does not hit the issue.  The one difference is one server is a UEC cloud controller, and one is a Node.  The Cloud Controller is the one that has the issue.
[21:19] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  really strange.  On that same system ubuntu-bug aptitude also fails, but ubuntu-bug python passes - meaning I can report a bug against it.    I'll see if I can figure it out.  Anyway it seems specific to this one system.
[21:21] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: is there anything special in your sources.list file?
[21:21] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  I added entries for karmic-proposed
[21:23] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  let me look at that file.  maybe I added a typo.  I can try my backup copy quickly.
[21:24] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  ha, that fixed it :-)  Let me look at my edits closer.  I must have added a typo.  Thanks for the help!
[21:25] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: really?  that was rather unexpected
[21:26] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Yeah, I made the same edits on the other machine that didn't have the issue, so I'll do a diff.
[21:37] <jsalisbury> bdmurray: I reproduced it.  It seem the problem was caused by having someones PPA in the sources.lost file.  I had an error getting the Public Key for the PPA, so the apt-get update failed.  This makes ubuntu-bug fail for some packages.
[21:37] <jsalisbury> s/sources.lost/source.list/
[21:38] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: that seems worth reporting about apport
[21:39] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  acutally ubuntu-bug still fails if I comment out the PPA's and re-run a successful apt-get update.  I actually have to remove the entries.
[21:39] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: that definitely seems wrong
[21:40] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  I'll report it against apport.
[21:40] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Thanks again for the help.
[21:49] <jsalisbury> bdmurray:  Ok, I don't think its actually a bug.  I had the karmic main repository commented out from a previous test.  The ubuntu-bug failure will only happen when karmic main is commented out, which seems to be expected.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> \o
[23:27] <aZZe> when I want to file a bug on launchpad.net I get a timeout error
[23:28] <aZZe> can anyone acknowledge this?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> aZZe: I guess to many users :(
[23:29] <BUGabundo> keep trying or ask on #launchpad
[23:29] <BUGabundo> aZZe: production server or edge ?
[23:30] <aZZe> no a netbook
[23:30] <BUGabundo> lolololol
[23:30] <BUGabundo> aZZe: I meant launchpad
[23:31] <aZZe> ok