[00:08] robert_ancell: re https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gtk/+bug/456269, you need to target the upload to karmic-proposed. [00:08] Launchpad bug 456269 in clutter-gtk "Unlike libclutter, libclutter-gtk does not include gobject introspection data" [Wishlist,Triaged] [00:13] TheMuso, ah, ok [00:15] robert_ancell - i just noticed you touched bug 132413 a couple of months ago. based on the fact that the upstream report has been marked WONTFIX for 2 years, do you think we should just close the Ubuntu bug too? [00:15] Launchpad bug 132413 in gnome-control-center "Merge "Display" into "Appearance" applet" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132413 [00:15] the changes would be far too big to maintain as a distro patch anyway [00:15] chrisccoulson, looking [00:16] thanks [00:16] i would just close it, but i wanted someone elses opinion first ;) [00:16] chrisccoulson, yeah, I'd say close it [00:16] in the end we'll just have one capplet, and we'll call it 'control-center'... [00:16] thanks, i'll do that now [00:16] mclasen, :) [00:16] mclasen - yeah, that would be better:) [00:16] and then the cycle will restart anew... [00:16] we've been there 2 times already :) [00:16] the age old problem of categorisation - you can never find the perfect boundaries [00:23] i don't know what the plans are for gnome-control-center this cycle, but we really need to clean up some of our distro patches and make them more acceptable for upstream [00:23] our g-c-c package is becoming unmaintainable with all the patches we have [00:24] chrisccoulson: Note that a lot of that is from Debian. [00:24] TheMuso - yeah, we should probably try to get some of them upstream where appropriate anyway [00:25] and we don't always have to use the debian patches either. for example, debian maintain some really wierd and large patches for gnome-panel, which we don't use in ubuntu [00:25] s/wierd/weird [00:28] robert_ancell: re brasero, I'll tweak the repo for karmic-proposed, but thanks for the debdiff. [00:29] TheMuso, oh, now I see what you mean [00:33] I've noticed that on Karmic, notify-osd is showing alerts in a much lower position. This is quit anoying. Is this normal? Here is a sample: http://www.kurtkraut.net/images/isitnormal.gif [00:34] KurtKraut - thats the expected behaviour, and has been discussed extensively on the mailing lists recently [00:35] robert_ancell: Ok for clutter-gtkk, its probably necessary to make changes to the bug as described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [00:35] robert_ancell: brasero is fine as is, so I'll go ahead an upload. [00:36] chrisccoulson, I got so surprised with that I came here to check before making a bug report. I could barely belive this was intencional. Thanks for your clarification but let shift the focus a little bit: can I set notify-osd to the height that Jaunty had? [00:36] KurtKraut - no, it's not configurable [00:37] chrisccoulson, thanks again for your information. But I cannot hide how I'm very disapointed to know that. [00:37] TheMuso, what would you write for it that is not already in the description? [00:39] KurtKraut - there is extensive discussion about the change here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00751.html [00:39] including some rationale why the decision was made [00:41] chrisccoulson, I'll read it and join my voice to the groups of users that find this new position incredibly annoing. [00:41] fantastic, totem has just crashed on me and leaked a session inhibitor in the process:( [00:43] KurtKraut - i'm not sure it needs any more people ranting about the new behaviour on the mailing lists ;) [00:45] chrisccoulson, I can see your point but the fact Karmic was released with such a bad design decision is an evidence that this haven't received enough attention and consideration. [00:46] KurtKraut - it received plenty of consideration and attention in karmic, as you will find out when you read through that thread ;) [00:47] heh, i bet dobey's inbox is filling up with duplicate U1 bugs ;) [00:47] robert_ancell: well as per that page, discuss why this is needed, the regression potential needs to be talked about as well. [00:48] btw [00:48] it seems most users aren't checking if a bug is already reported [00:49] the new dialog that asks for permission to, for example, change cpu frequency or governor doesn't have option to keep authorization [00:50] kklimonda - that's part of the new PK design [00:50] how to keep it and avoid typing password now and then? [00:50] chrisccoulson, i know, i know [00:51] it should keep the authorization, with an option to drop it by clicking on the status icon that appears [00:51] is that not happening? [00:51] chrisccoulson, but it doesn't keep it over sessions [00:52] there's no way of doing that with the new design [00:52] chrisccoulson, can I say that it's stupid? [00:53] i'm not sure it's stupid really. if you're going to keep authorizations between sessions, then there's probably no need for any authentication in the first place [00:53] chrisccoulson, btw - what happened to all settings concerning removable disks? as in who can mount or eject them? [00:53] which settings? [00:53] in 9.04 you could launch polkit-gnome-editor (or whatever it's called) and set up which users/groups can/can not mount removable devices [00:54] there's no such tool which exists for the new API [00:54] chrisccoulson, but it's still possible? [00:54] it's still possible to edit policies, but you'd need to read the PK documentation to figure out how [00:54] i've not tried configuring it yet [00:55] looks like a nice todo item for 10.04 ;) [00:55] kklimonda - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne#Release_Notes [00:57] i can't.. [00:57] stupid ipv6 [00:57] time to disable it [00:58] chrisccoulson, Is it this page where they state that the current policy editor is bad and something else should be written? ;) [00:59] huh, text files? [00:59] it's not actually what i thought it was (i probably should have read it first), but it does have a link to documentation which helps you configure it [01:00] and here I thought we were moving away from manually editing text files :) [01:01] we're moving away from giving users a gazillion confusing ways to customize their machine in the UI ;) [01:02] out of interest, how come you need to adjust CPU frequency regularly? does the ondemand governor not work well for you? [01:02] frankly I find all changes made in 9.10 making Ubuntu more confusing than 9.04 :/ [01:02] chrisccoulson, I have broken fan [01:03] ah, ok, that makes sense [01:03] in normal circumstances, there should be no need to change the governor [01:03] chrisccoulson, but the question was actually from a guy who tries to scale cpu to the lowest level to save battery time [01:03] which is probably wrong [01:03] yeah, that's a myth [01:04] the lowest power consumption will occur when the CPU can get the tasks done in the fastest amount of time [01:04] so that it can sleep for longer [01:04] forcing a slower clock speed means the CPU sleeps for less, and power consumption is no better (or possible worse) [01:05] ya, I remember reading that [01:05] btw [01:05] was something changed after 8.04 release? my laptop decided to shutdown (probably due to overheating) [01:06] shutdown as in shutdown and not power off without delay [01:06] not sure - i don't know what would cause that [01:06] during apt-get upgrade ;) [01:06] ouch [01:07] It wasn't that bad - I was able to dpkg --configure -a from terminal [01:07] i'm impressed. most users just report a bug rather than reading the instructions ;) [01:08] well, I'm not really most of users ;) [01:08] yeah, thats true [01:08] but still it was an unexpected and stressful experience [01:09] yeah, i can imagine [01:09] I had that happen with a laptop that had a busted fan [01:09] cpu would overheat and it'd shut down [01:10] cpu frequency scaling helped some, but I ended up just chucking the system (it was old and nvidia based anyway) [01:10] bryce__, but shut down system or poweroff completely without delay? [01:10] powered down without delay [01:10] * ppfftt * [01:10] bryce__, my main machine is busted (at least gpu - I can still use it as a server/ssh working station ;) ) [01:10] and this one is some very old Thinkpad [01:11] fan works some of the time [01:11] especially during upgrades or software builds, where cpu would be under some load for a while [01:11] maybe see if you can monitor the cpu temperature [01:11] bryce__, I know it was overheating - I can feel it :) [01:11] bryce__ - do you not like nvidia based hardware? ;) [01:11] as a workaround, what I'd do is put a box fan blowing over the keyboard [01:12] chrisccoulson, *pffttt* [01:12] chrisccoulson, I'm actually considering buying a desktop pc with integrated intel gpu ;) [01:12] yeah, don't get nvidia [01:12] or some old radeon [01:12] 2 words - "white windows" [01:12] (if you're doing user switching anyway) [01:13] hate hate hate nvidia [01:13] my last nvidia card failed as soon as the warranty expired too ;) [01:14] http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Graphs/drivers.svg [01:14] chrisccoulson, same here - I have had mother board replace a little over year ago because of gpu and not it's the same problem.. [01:14] nvidia-180 is now the X video driver with the most bugs filed against it [01:15] openchrome looks pretty decent ;) [01:15] bryce__, it doesn't mean much without number of installations :) [01:15] bryce__ - i don't report any bugs against the nvidia driver any more. i'm not sure what we're meant to do with them really [01:16] neither do I [01:16] chrisccoulson, yeah I don't really look at them, except if they're misfiled against !nvidia [01:16] (and then I just refile them) [01:17] kklimonda, unless more people are buying nvidia systems lately, just looking at the nvidia curve alone tells you there seems to be a problem [01:17] bryce__, why is intel so buggy? I hear people complaining all the time about intel drivers in ubuntu [01:17] (I don't really listen to users of other distributions so I don't know if it's ubuntu-specific problem :) ) [01:17] the driver works reasonably well for single user systems, but the user experience is pretty rubbish if you're doing user switching [01:18] kklimonda, it's like you alluded to - -intel is a popular driver and more people use it than other things so run into more bugs [01:18] especially when applications (eg, update-notifier / update-manager etc) open windows in the inactive session [01:18] also rate of development on -intel is high so new bugs are introduced all the time [01:18] kklimonda, however it should be pretty solid these days. what in particular are people complaining about? [01:18] bryce__, performance :) [01:19] or "compiz doesn't work" ;) [01:19] oh people always complain about performance on intel [01:19] but usually the only testing they do is with glxgears, and that's pretty useless [01:20] anyway, most of the bugs this past year on -intel have been due to the rearchitecting they did, to XAA/KMS/etc. [01:21] does anyone have any success with ATI these days? [01:21] I wonder if we'll be able to smooth all the rough edges all those transitions has created till 10.04 :/ [01:21] chrisccoulson, I remember that radeon 8500 was fairly good ;) [01:21] cool. i need to start thinking about what my next desktop will consist of ;) [01:22] yeah -ati is pretty good on R5xx and earlier [01:22] for R600 and up you need -fglrx, which works passingly well [01:22] performance is good too, compared with -intel [01:23] I'm probably going to buy some well supported (as in fairly old) ATI card and become a laughingstock.. [01:23] compiz can be so-so, and no KMS [01:23] I use a R5xx chip for my main desktop and have been quite pleased with it [01:23] although I don't do heavy gaming or anything [01:24] but most games I've tested have been playable [01:24] i don't do any heavy gaming either. which makes my current card a big waste of money really [01:24] I guess buying a cheap gpu and gaming console is a better investment if you are interested in linux :) [01:24] R5xx cards are cheap too since they're fairly old. Can't get them in a laptop tho [01:25] i currently have a factory overclocked 512MB 8800GT, and I struggled to get it in my full-size tower [01:25] my next laptop is going to be a netbook.. something I can just throw away when warranty ends.. [01:25] i had to hack fins off the chipset cooler to get it to fit in ;) [01:25] chrisccoulson, interesting choice :) [01:25] kklimonda, just avoid anything poulsbo [01:25] aka GMA500 [01:26] and 4500? :) [01:26] bryce__, GMA500 is just not well supported yet or is that some obscure technology that is not going to be supported well in a short term? [01:27] chrisccoulson, yeah one of my test cards is this hurking nvidia thing, that takes up two pci slots in height and is long as the motherboard in length. It's bigger than a cdrom drive [01:27] bryce__ - yeah, the size of some current cards is ridiculous really [01:27] i never thought i would have an issue fitting anything in to my case, as it's quite big [01:28] kklimonda, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#Linux [01:28] chrisccoulson, their are basically separate computers :) [01:28] bryce__, yeah, I've just read.. [01:28] kklimonda - they are. and it even has it's own power feed [01:29] bryce__, it's almost like SB Live 24bit :) [01:29] when i build my next machine, i should probably build a machine that idles at less than 100W witout the monitor on [01:30] really, on linux I've never seen an appreciable difference with those huge cards. I've seen tiny half-width cards that were perfectly suitable, at least for my usage [01:30] all I need is two heads and 2D ;-) [01:31] i think i could make do with a much lower-spec card [01:31] bryce__, it's obvious that the only game you play is mahjongg ;) [01:31] :-) [01:31] mahjongg rocks [01:32] but on the other hand buying an expensive gpu and installing only linux isn't the smartest move.. [01:32] actually I did play a flash game (farmville) for a little while, but performance was bad. Dunno if that was my hardware or just flash being slow though [01:33] is that the game on facebook? [01:33] bryce__, don't know why but flash is really slow on linux.. [01:33] yeah [01:33] it was that bad on Mac OS X too so maybe it's just Adobe sucks at porting.. [01:33] one of my colleagues has done some neat little flash games [01:33] http://www.pembo.com/ [01:34] under "flash stash" [01:34] well, not so much "games", but rather "interactive animations" [01:34] has he redesigned his page as a memento for geocities? ;) [01:35] flash is really CPU intensive on my machine [01:36] robert_ancell: ok will deal with the clutter-gtk upload, thanks for fixing the description. [01:36] chrisccoulson, but at least linux kernel supports 4096 CPUs ;) [01:37] I'm running amd64, so I guess I'm lucky flash works at all ;-) [01:37] i'm running amd64 too [01:37] have amd64 version of flash made it to 9.10? [01:38] I have read a bit about flash not being nearly as good on OS X and Linux as it is on Windows, to the point that accessibility ingegration for mac or Linux hasn't been done either, whereas its usable with accessibility tools on Windows. [01:38] or are we still stuck with this wrapper that never really works? :) [01:38] (I've been using a flash build kees packaged, not the stock flash) [01:38] For me at least, I use youtube in other ways. Its the only flash site I tend to visit. [01:41] that's kinda sad that the only decent usage of flash is to display movies.. [01:41] and yet people are using it everywhere [01:41] Yeah. Hopefully the HTML5 video in browser stuff takes off. [01:41] yeah, i hope so too [01:42] yeah flash video was the #1 must-have for my dad in getting linux [01:42] i don't have flash on android, and it's a real pain for some stuff [01:42] chrisccoulson, like what? [01:43] watching videos on the BBC News website [01:44] hmm, right - whenever I use browser in my android I'm someplace where the best connection I can hope for is EDGE so watching videos isn't high on my list :) [01:45] robert_ancell: the glutter-gtk package with your debdiff fails to find files that you indicated needed to be installed. [01:46] TheMuso, they are already built, they only had to be added to the .install files [01:47] TheMuso, you mean when you build it it doesn't find the files referenced in the .install? [01:47] robert_ancell: Yes, it doesn't find them. I think its a typo. [01:49] TheMuso, rebuilding here... [01:52] hmm, finds it for me [01:52] What are you using to build? [01:52] debuild [01:53] Hrm ok. [01:53] Are you using a newer debdiff than whats on the bug? [01:53] no [01:54] hrm ok [01:54] Trying again [01:54] this time, I am not building arch: all package [01:54] packages [01:54] TheMuso, can you try adding --enable-introspection=yes to DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS [01:55] dh_install -plibclutter-gtk-0.10-0 [01:55] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/': No such file or directory [01:55] ok adding [01:58] robert_ancell: I suggest you set up a build chroot environment such as pbuilder. [01:58] robert_ancell: No, still fails. [01:58] TheMuso, I think it needs some more dependencies, will get pbuilder working again... [01:59] robert_ancell: I get this now. [01:59] configure: error: gobject-introspection-1.0 is not installed [01:59] make: *** [config.status] Error 1 [01:59] dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 [01:59] yeah, not sure how many dependencies I have to add, will check with pbuilder [01:59] ok [03:05] robert_ancell: Found the build dependencies needed. libgirepository1.0-dev, gobject-introspection-glib-2.0, gobject-introspection-freedesktop, gobject-introspection-repository [03:05] One of them may depend on the others, haven't checked yet. [03:07] Hrm no, they are all needed, none depend on each other. [03:47] anyone here have Yahoo IM? [03:49] chirsccoulson: yep [03:49] azteech - would you mind adding me (chrisccoulson@yahoo.co.uk), as I need to make sure the hardy pidgin SRU is working [03:49] and i don't normally use Yahoo [03:50] * TheMuso is on MSN, and jabber, and never uses either. :p [03:50] i don't normally use them either [03:50] i'm going to be so tired at work tomorrow :( [03:50] chrisccoulson: Yeah I was just thinking that you are up late. :) [03:51] i'm up again in 3 hours! [03:51] Thats crazy. [03:51] that will be a total of 7 hours sleep in 2 nights ;) [03:51] Yup, crazy. [03:51] i'm going to sleep well this weekend [03:51] I'll bet. [03:51] chrisccoulson: Since its an SRU, I am surprised you couldn't wait to do it. [03:52] done [03:52] but, says you aren't logged in [03:52] hmmm, that's odd [03:53] also sent you a message via it .... but not under azteech - [03:54] just sent you a private with the login name for yahoo [03:55] hmmm [03:55] now it just came back and said unable to add chrisccoulson@yahoo.co.uk to server list [03:56] just got an authorization message. so that seems to work [03:56] i just got that too, but now i see you [03:56] i think it needs to be without the @yahoo.co.uk part [03:57] heh:) [03:57] that's working now [03:57] hardy users will be pleased now hopefully:) [03:57] yep, it is ... don't ask me the inside on that ... [03:57] :) [03:57] seeing as they've had no working yahoo in pidgin for several months now [03:57] whew [03:57] anyway, i must go to bed now [03:58] thanks! [03:58] 'night everyone! [03:59] actually, hardy had been working, if they updated directly from the pidgin all along with no problems at all using a work around I saw on the forums [03:59] which workaround was this? [03:59] using the default hardy client? [03:59] it's a completely new authentication mechanism for the newer API [03:59] will have to search for it, but basically had to do with an update from the pidgin site, not the one in the repo [04:00] ah, that makes sense ;) [04:00] yep [04:00] this is an update to the official hardy version which i just tested [04:00] kewl [04:00] by backporting the authentication changes to the old code base [04:00] then, yes, without having to go to the main site and update, they will be happy [04:01] yep! [04:01] congrats [04:01] thanks for helping me test it anyway [04:01] i must sleep now:) [04:01] you are welcome [04:01] nite bud [07:20] Good morning [07:38] hello pitti [08:27] morning [08:54] hello everyone [08:58] hey pitti - i'll have a hardy pidgin SRU ready later [08:58] complete with functioning yahoo! [08:58] * pitti hugs chrisccoulson, you rock [08:59] * chrisccoulson hugs pitti [09:24] I'm off for a bit, catching some fresh air and sun [09:24] lazy day today :) [09:30] pitti -were you looking at huats issue with a device partition not being detected correctly yesterday? [09:31] chrisccoulson, he is :) [09:31] thanks chrisccoulson for being interested [09:31] chrisccoulson, you have all the information in the bug :) [09:33] yeah, i haven't checked the bug since yesterday. i just noticed someone reported bug 464411, which seems to be a similar type of issue (albeit, with a different filesystem type I think) - the device appears as "Unrecognised" in palimpsest [09:33] Launchpad bug 464411 in linux "After upgrade to Karmic, root partition (sda1) is missing /dev/sda1 is missing from /dev/disk/by-uuid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464411 === korn_ is now known as c_korn [11:56] chrisccoulson: yeah, I had a followup question; blkid is fine, but it's not in udev for some reason === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [14:03] seb128: around? the problem that i had yesterday with nm and gnome keyring [14:03] i think it's gnome keyring (policykit??) as now after every time i boot my computer [14:03] and try to maunt my windows partition also it asks for password [14:03] anyone else saw this issue? [14:08] tgpraveen1 - gnome-keyring is nothing to do with policykit [14:08] when you mount an internal partition, you will be asked to authenticate using policykit (that is expected behaviour) [14:09] chrisccoulson: hi... what are the criterion for the SRU? i'm rather trying to find out the exact reason for the firefox 3.5 not landing in jaunty [14:10] mac_v - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [14:10] or rather ,not made the default when installed in jaunty > Bug #464601 [14:10] Launchpad bug 464601 in hundredpapercuts "a url still opens in old version of firefox after new version is installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464601 [14:10] mac_v - it won't be made the default due to a limitation in how we specify the default applications [14:11] chrisccoulson: hmm is this behaviour new to karmic. because in jaunty it did not ask for authentication i think [14:11] chrisccoulson: yeah exactly , i remember asac mentioning something about that :) [14:11] mac_v - we specify URI handlers in a set of gconf keys, and those are user configurable via gnome-default-applications [14:11] and if so what is the reason because acccessing a local partition does not seem dangerour or anything. [14:11] but the applications are hard-wired there [14:12] ah , right [14:12] tgpraveen1 - the policy for mounting internal volumes is carried across from jaunty [14:12] also do u think there is a way to do like either dont ask permission while mounting ( always allow? ) [14:12] so you would be prompted there too [14:12] tgpraveen1 - Policykit documentation? [14:12] or #ubuntu [14:12] tgpraveen1: there is no way , to tell it not to prompt [14:13] chrisccoulson: i definetely didnt have that. i was upgrading from intrepid->jaunty [14:13] i didnt have it in jaunty [14:13] hmmm, well, i had it in jaunty, and so did everyone else [14:13] and that was the default policy [14:13] tgpraveen1: that was hal , this is now policykit [14:13] and now that it does on karmic i feel like it is vistaish [14:13] mac_v - they both still used policykit ;) [14:13] mac_v: did u have the same behaviouyr in jaunty? [14:14] chrisccoulson: wasnt hal able to control the automount? [14:14] ie: not ask password everytime [14:14] mac_v - yes, mounting was done via HAL, but authorizations with Policykit [14:14] so you still had to authenticate in order to mount internal volumes [14:15] that behaviour hasn't changed since jaunty [14:16] chrisccoulson: in jaunty , i could set the authorizations to *not* prompt for password on every mount , pitti mentioned that that feature is not available now [14:16] let me get you the bug # [14:16] mac_v - the feature is available, but just not exposed through the UI [14:16] policykit is still configurable [14:17] chrisccoulson: ah , yeah , thats it , no UI [14:17] tgpraveen1: i was told to look into man policykit , but i was too lazy ;p [14:18] man pklocalauthority is what you want [14:18] tgpraveen1: or that to be exact^ [14:19] does anyone here have a Yahoo IM account, and can message me, so I can test a Pidgin update one last time? [14:20] chrisccoulson: id [14:20] chrisccoulson ;) [14:20] chrisccoulson: heh , so many volunteers :) [14:21] chrisccoulson: I don't, but I assume I can create one easily? === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke [14:21] pitti - yeah, it's pretty easy to create one [14:22] i ended up creating one just for testing - i don't have any yahoo friends though ;) [14:22] ok, doesn't work through pidgin; /me looks on yahoo.com [14:23] the update seems to be working ok though :) [14:24] hehe , the empathy crash with yahoo , seems not happening ;) [14:24] i think my mouse is dying === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:26] mac_v, great! [14:27] chrisccoulson: kenvandine: Bug #423521 , was the one... i hadnt opened empathy since then ;) [14:27] mac_v: chrisccoulson so um finally is there a bug or not for allowing auto mount of local hdds ie better ui ? [14:27] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/423521) [14:27] or do i file one [14:27] tgpraveen1 - i'm not sure what you're asking? For me, I click on a volume, authenticate, and the volume is mounted [14:27] i don't know what you want to change [14:28] chrisccoulson: meh, the account creation pages' "Create Account" button doesn't work; hmpf [14:28] pitti - in firefox? [14:28] yes [14:28] tgpraveen1 - if you want auto-mounting of local volumes, then that is what /etc/fstab is for ;) [14:28] pitti - that's strange. so you can't test the pidgin update then ;) [14:29] chrisccoulson: i think what tgpraveen1 wants is for the fs to not auto mount and to not prompt for every mount [14:29] well i want that too ;) [14:29] yeah because its a ntfs windwos partition [14:30] tgpraveen1: i think you need to file a bug for that.. i dont think there is one yet , or pitti / chrisccoulson might know bug# ;) [14:30] mac_v: it's not a bug [14:30] it's meant to behave like that [14:30] there's no bug number, because i'm not sure there's a bug [14:30] right, what pitti said :) [14:31] if you want autmounting, then use /etc/fstab. if you want to allow users to mount/unmount volumes from the file manager with no authentication, then your local policy needs adjusting [14:31] pitti: yup , not a bug , but a feature that is missing , now , previously the authorizations allowed to not prompt for every mount and there was a gui , but now no UI [14:31] chrisccoulson: did you use another browser? [14:32] * tgpraveen1 thinks this is going to cause a lot of inconvenience and annoyance [14:32] pitti - i used firefox [14:33] hm; it leads me to https://edit.europe.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.intl=de&.pd=_ver%253D0%2526c%253D%2526ivt%253D%2526sg%253D&new=1&.done=http%3A//de.yahoo.com&.src=&.v=0&.u=6a7or1h5eltmv&partner=&.partner=&pkg=&stepid=&.p=&promo=&.last= [14:33] chrisccoulson: ^ does that look like the same page as you used? [14:34] pitti - that looks like the page I see [14:34] if i click the button without filling anything in, then it seems to work (i get lots of warnings about missing information) [14:35] could someone please have a look at bug 460710? [14:35] Launchpad bug 460710 in evolution "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460710 [14:35] chrisccoulson: yes, if I fill it out, it just sends me to the top of that page [14:35] chrisccoulson: hm, I'll try again [14:37] chrisccoulson: ah, I think it didn't like my password copy/paste [14:37] worked now [14:37] excellent :) [14:38] login failed in empathy, though [14:38] * pitti checks for a confirmation mail [14:39] fta: i'm not having any problems with pop3 accounts, so it might be IMAP related [14:40] mac_v, i'm using imap but the place it fails seems to be unrelated, it's around murrine & cairo [14:40] chrisccoulson: hrmpf; I click the "verify email" link, and it complains that I'm logged in with another account; it's the very same I just created [14:41] heh, that's quite strange! [14:41] i can see why i don't use yahoo now ;) [14:41]