[00:06] <TheMuso> slangasek: ok, FWIW I don't have access to the site.
[00:07] <TheMuso> i.e write access.
[00:07] <slangasek> TheMuso: well, for this round I was pointed at wiki.ubuntu.com for Ubuntu Studio's URL ;)  So it was plausible you had the content at your disposal - anyway, is done now
[00:51] <TheMuso> slangasek: right
[02:19] <zooko> Hey folks, I just want to say Way To Go on Karmic!  You've done it again!  If your inboxes aren't overflowing with praise and gratitude, then this is just because you've been doing such a good job for so long that the world has started to take you for granted.
[02:22] <TheMuso> zooko: Try overflowing with bug reports. :p
[02:26] <MsMaco> TheMuso: :)
[02:29] <zooko> :-)
[02:29] <zooko> I was thinking that maybe the Lucid LTS could be made super stable by making it be nothing except bugfixes to Karmic.  ;-)
[02:30] <zooko> Heh heh.  I'm super excited because the p2p storage system that I love is included in Karmic -- Tahoe-LAFS.
[02:30] <zooko> I need to figure out the Lucid schedule to make sure that there is a nice shiny new Tahoe-LAFS at least a few weeks before the appropriate freeze for Lucid.
[02:31] <TheMuso> zooko: Interesting thought. Audio wise, it will be bug fixes mostly one one side, and hardware enablement on the other.
[02:41] <zooko> By the way, because of this bug in binutils -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/461303 -- it might be good to find any packages that were built with the bad version of binutils and then grep their source code for ".intel_syntax".
[02:41] <zooko> Any packages with intel_syntax ASM that were built with the bad binutils should be rebuilt with the fix.
[03:03] <hyperair> is there a way to step a few levels down the stack in gdb using apport-retrace?
[03:08] <Patriick> quick question, do most portable hard drives work on Ubuntu immediatly?
[03:09] <wgrant> Patriick: You want #ubuntu.
[03:09] <Patriick> yeah sorry :(
[03:11] <Patriick> Is Ubuntu even open source? :P
[03:11] <wgrant> .. huh?
[03:12] <Patriick> Why not just linux from scratch?
[03:12] <Patriick> ugh nvm
[03:12] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[03:44] <kees> zooko: we did that yesterday and reviewed all the matches -- none were built after the buggy binutils was in the distro.  lucky us!
[03:48]  * MsMaco wonders who's awake
[03:49] <TheMuso> MsMaco: Depends on what issue you are having.
[03:49]  * jdong rubs his eyes
[03:50] <jdong> want... foood... first
[03:55] <MsMaco> TheMuso: was just pointed at that bug where Keybuk had large files corrupting. think i'm hitting it too
[05:53] <merkur2k> anyone around who knows a but about package postinst script interaction with mysql?
[05:54] <merkur2k> or the debian-sys-maint mysql user in general?
[06:47] <liw> bug #463742 is not in English, probably in Spanish or Portuguese (sorry, I'm ignorant): could someone provide a translation to the bug report?
[06:48] <MsMaco> portuguese
[06:48] <MsMaco> but i dont know portuguese. maybe wait for BUGaubundo to wake up?
[06:50] <liw> ack
[06:51] <liw> and thanks
[06:52] <MsMaco> spanish never puts ~ on top of anything except n
[06:52] <MsMaco> and doesnt have the c thing
[06:52] <MsMaco> with just the c thing, could be french. with both, portuguese is the only one i can think of
[06:53] <MsMaco> (hope that helps)
[07:19] <syn-ack> Quick question: This may not be the correct place for it but let me know.,... I'm setting up a cross compile environment to compile an app for a ppc proc which export CROSS_COMPILE= arg would I use for the libs? libc?
[07:20] <syn-ack> this is on an ubuntu system to another ubuntu system thats why I asked in here...
[07:20] <pitti> Good morning
[07:20] <mneptok> liw: "error updating for kubuntu 9.10"
[07:22] <liw> mneptok, hm, not terribly enlightening
[07:22] <liw> mneptok, thanks for the translation, though
[07:22] <mneptok> no problemo, senor.
[07:25] <MsMaco> hello dpm
[07:26] <dpm> hey MsMaco
[07:27] <dpm> morning all
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <MsMaco> howdy
[07:38] <dholbach> hey MsMaco!
[08:02] <pitti> wow, ureadahead
[08:03] <dholbach> what's going to be next? :)
[08:03] <dholbach> xreadahead?
[08:03] <roh> hi there
[08:03] <dholbach> myreadahead?
[08:03] <dholbach> readahead2? :)
[08:03] <roh> hopefully ssd and no readahead ? *ducks*
[08:04]  * roh just waded through a 8.10->9.10 upgrade.. so ignore my sarcasm, sorry
[08:04] <liw> "Read ahead 2: The Angular Momentum Strikes Back"
[08:04] <ogra> dholbach, scott said he works on ureadahead :)
[08:05] <pitti> so, no readahead: 45 s, sreadahead (karmic final): 57 s, ureadahead: 25 s
[08:05] <ogra> oh, pitti said that above :P
[08:09] <roh> hm. has ubuntu a concept how do do suspend to disk with crypted disks and crypted swap?
[08:10] <RAOF> roh: I think that works right now, as long as you don't have a random key for swap.
[08:10]  * RAOF *does* have a random key for swap, so doesn't actually test.
[08:10] <roh> RAOF well. of course i have. without it cryptodisks are plain stupid. (or one doesnt use swap)
[08:10] <MsMaco> pitti: WOW!
[08:11] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/
[08:11] <roh> RAOF the question thus is rather: can one make it possible by storing the key on disk, e.g. on one of the crypted disks, which need to be locked and unlocked anyways. on suspend/resume to all make sense
[08:21] <RAOF> roh: I mean - you can use the same key for swap as for your other crypted discs.
[08:22] <roh> hm. i hit lp bug #388221 yesterday. seems that python-support doesnt have RAOF yes.. but thats somehow a hack. and also requires handling for that in the ramdisk
[08:22] <roh> eek.
[08:23] <roh> mixed up 2 lines there. restart parsing at nick
[08:23] <roh> wtf. i cant login via ssh without key anymore? the agent tries all keys and doesnt even ask for a pw now?
[08:26] <roh> anyways. the rrdtool bug seems to come from python-suÃpport not providing /usr/bin/pysupport-parseversions anymore, which is used to find out which python-versions are installed in debian/rules of python-rrdtool
[08:27] <huats> plop
[08:27] <huats> oups sorry WW
[08:27] <huats> :)
[08:27] <davmor2> Congrats Guys Karmic Rocks
[08:29] <RAOF> roh: Why is supplying a passphrase for swap a hack? Or, _more_ of a hack than storing the random key somewhere (where?) in (one of) the other disc(s) and reading it after supplying that disc's crypt secret?
[08:30] <roh> RAOF hm. the more i think about it it should be ok. i mean.. one needs to check swap for a 'image' of some kind anyways.. i guess that happens in ramdisk anyways.
[08:36] <dholbach> davmor2: thanks to your great work too!
[08:37] <davmor2> :) Np's
[09:08] <bigon> I know that this question should probabily go to #ubuntu but are the iwlagn driver missing from the alternate install cd?
[09:10] <MsMaco> bigon: missing as in you cant go online while running from the alt cd, or missing as in they dont get installed by it?
[09:10] <MsMaco> wireless drivers are not in use on the alternate cd, no...but you should end up with them installed at the end
[09:11] <bigon> MsMaco: there are other wireless driver available during the install
[09:11] <bigon> but not that one
[09:12] <MsMaco> *shrug* no idea then. all my laptops are intel. i dont recall ever having working wireless from alt cd...
[09:12] <MsMaco> pitti: thanks
[09:13] <bigon> I was pretty sure it was working with jaunty alternate
[09:13] <MsMaco> beats me
[09:13] <MsMaco> i dont have any alternate cds to play with, so i cant retest
[09:20] <dholbach> can anybody try to shed some light on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/464411 ?
[09:28] <dholbach> ^ does this look like a linux bug? or what else could it be?
[09:33] <\sh> good morning...*whereismyaspirin*
[09:45] <roh> hm. any idea why my ssh client stopped asking for passwords and only lets me login via key now?
[09:46] <ion> Because the ssh server admin disabled password authentication.
[09:47] <roh> not.
[09:47] <lifeless> or changed the host key
[09:47] <\sh> roh, check your sshd config for changes...hopefully you have your config in something like a VCS
[09:47] <roh> ion after update from 8.10 it started popping up a gnome-dialog for the passphrase and 'just try every key'
[09:48] <roh> in this case i'm sure it allow password. standing next to the box. and did the same before the update
[09:49] <\sh> roh, try this in your ~/.ssh/config  -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/304912/ before any other Host ... entries...it helped me, thx to cjwatson
[09:50] <dholbach> so bug 464411 could well be a util-linux bug?
[09:51] <roh> \sh yeah. that fixed it. thanks
[09:51] <roh> \sh please make sure that gets default again or _really_ well documented
[09:52] <\sh> roh, I think it has nothing to do with openssh-server/client something's changed somewhere in this gnome-ssh-agent or so...ask on #ubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <\sh> or check the changelogs
[09:56] <cjwatson> lamont: thanks
[09:56] <roh> \sh still evil to debug and find
[09:59] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, ureadahead is roughly a factor of two win for me too
[10:10] <Snares> Does anyone here have a Creative X-Fi? If so, does your mic work?
[10:11] <Snares> Does anyone have any ideas on how to make it work?
[10:12] <joaopinto> Snares, this is not a support channel, repeating on every channel will not help
[10:12] <Snares> joaopinto: Oh ok, sorry :(
[10:13] <Snares> joaopinto: I was kind of thinking that you guys could possibly add support for the microphone.
[10:15] <Snares> joaopinto: I'm not actually trying to get support; I just am trying to find someone who has an X-Fi to figure out if it's a problem specific to my configuration or to all X-Fi soundcards.
[10:17] <joaopinto> Snares, that is a support issue, regardless how you put it ;), you already askd on #ubuntu, which has 1,5K users, is very unlikely that you will get an answer with more 0.2K :)
[10:18] <Snares> joaopinto: :D
[10:18] <directhex> or try the alsa channel
[10:18] <MsMaco> i think ya ought to just file a bug *shrug*
[10:20] <Snares> MsMaco: Good idea.
[10:20] <Snares> directhex: Same :)
[10:22] <Shtl> i cant able to copy a file more than 600 MB from my pen drive (8 GB) to PC intel celron 1 GHz, 256 MB RAM, can any one tell me cause?? only partial copy is happening
[10:25] <bryce> Shtl, this is not the support channel; try #ubuntu
[10:25] <Shtl> ok
[10:25] <Shtl> no one is active their
[10:27] <mvo> pitti: if you could have a look (sru) at bug #446956, that would be much appreciated
[10:33] <mvo> if there is currently someone in india reading this, could you please check if in.archive.ubuntu.com works from within india?
[11:37] <SurfyDudee> does 9.10 have better support for usb wifi then 9.04?
[11:44] <Madkiss> hi folks
[11:48] <directhex> SurfyDudee, it has a new kernel, so probably
[11:56] <pitti> mvo: will look
[12:03] <mvo> thanks pitti! one is pending in jaunty-proposed too (a proxy fix)
[12:35] <pitti> mvo: please reupload update-manager with -v to include the previous changelog
[12:36] <mvo> pitti: the karmic one? I can do that, I was not aware it is needed even when 0.126.7 is already in -proposed
[12:37] <pitti> mvo: it's not needed "even when" it's in -proposed, but *because* it is already in -proposed :)
[12:43] <pitti> cjwatson: are you already merging debhelper? otherwise I'd do it now (since I want to merge cdbs afterwards)
[12:43] <mvo> pitti: uploaded again
[12:44] <ScottK> pitti: On CDBS merge, I know that Debian took the --install-layout=deb change you sent them and came up with a different approach to solve the problem, so the merge may be a bit odd there.
[12:44] <cjwatson> pitti: nope, go for it
[12:44] <pitti> ScottK: yeah, I followed the debian bug; I'll have a look at it, and presumably just take their approach
[12:46] <pitti> mvo: danke
[12:47] <cjwatson> pitti: (not doing a whole lot of merging today, as I'm away next week and need to do some preparation for that)
[12:47] <pitti> cjwatson: ok; I wanted to get at least those two done today, so that we can unblock lucid soon
[12:53] <cjwatson> pitti: indeed
[12:55] <Keybuk> m-o-m will be spinning up soon
[12:55] <Keybuk> modulo shit t-mobile hotspot on train :)
[12:55] <Keybuk> kees: I'm afraid I'm having to drop the -security stuff
[12:55] <Keybuk> we just don't have the disk space needed to maintain the deltas
[12:56] <cjwatson> oh, is m-o-m running against testing or unstable?
[12:56] <cjwatson> since https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS says that in general we're syncing from testing this cycle
[12:59] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Extra_Abstract?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=olivia_karmic2_super.png is gorgeous wallpaper, for those who haven't seen it (it was doing the rounds in the London office)
[12:59] <Keybuk> err
[12:59] <Keybuk> that's not possible
[12:59] <ion> keybuk: With ‘expect fork’, i managed to consistently get Upstart into a ‘stop/killed (IIRC), process <inexistent-pid>’ state. Since i didn’t want to reboot the server to get Upstart back to a good state, i used a script that forks children until a child gets the pid in question, then kills its parent and lets the child exit. Then Upstart noticed the death of the process and all was good until the next attempt. :-P I simply made the daemon stay in ...
[12:59] <ion> ... foreground, problem solved.
[13:00] <pitti> wow!
[13:00] <ion> keybuk: I guess ‘expect fork’ isn’t the right thing for a shell script that runs external binaries and then finally execs the daemon that forks once.
[13:01] <Keybuk> we're already largely *ahead* of testing, no?
[13:01] <Keybuk> I'll flush mom's brain and see
[13:01] <Keybuk> packages where we're ahead of testing may need to be merged manually
[13:01] <Keybuk> (unless we just stick with the unstable version I suppose :)
[13:01] <ion> The fork-and-exec for the external commands must confuse it, or something.
[13:01] <Keybuk> ion: yes, it's quite easy to do that
[13:01] <Keybuk> ion: which daemon were you using originally?  a few handle SIGCHLD themselves
[13:01] <Keybuk> ion: no, that won't work ;)
[13:01] <Keybuk> ion: the shell script eats the SIGCHLDs so Upstart never gets them
[13:01] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I don't think anyone's suggesting we go backwards from where we are now, certainly
[13:01] <doko_> starting eclipse on ia64, getting a coffee ...
[13:01] <cjwatson> testing-proposed-updates uploads might be an issue in cases where things are truly wedged in testing ...
[13:02] <ion> keybuk: 0.10 will handle that case without any special configuration at all, right?
[13:02] <Keybuk> ion: right
[13:03] <ScottK> Sounds like requestsync should also be modified to look in testing by default too.
[13:03]  * cjwatson does a quick check with suite-diff
[13:04] <Keybuk> cjwatson: so which Debian suites do I need?
[13:12] <hrickards> Can I request a sync from Debian unstable to lucid, or should I wait til the package migrates to testing?
[13:13] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I think just testing
[13:14] <cjwatson> Keybuk: testing-proposed-updates is just another way for packages to filter into testing, and we probably don't want them until they make it there
[13:14] <cjwatson> hrickards: you can request a sync from anywhere :)
[13:14] <hrickards> cjwatson: Ok. Thanks. :)
[13:14] <Keybuk> cjwatson: right, but should I keep track of what's in t-p-u in case anyone wants to merge from there or syncs from there
[13:17] <cjwatson> hrickards: though *automatic* syncs will just be from testing this cycle
[13:17] <cjwatson> Keybuk: mm. that might be a good idea, although is mom able to offer multiple choices for the sync source?
[13:18] <Keybuk> yes
[13:18] <Keybuk> we can customise it per-package
[13:18] <cjwatson> FWIW, packages in karmic older than unstable: 3209. Packages in karmic older than testing: 2753. Packages in karmic older than testing-proposed-updates: 2.
[13:18] <Keybuk> e.g. I'm pretty sure it still merges firefox from experemental ;)
[13:18] <Keybuk> cjwatson: how many newer than testing?
[13:19] <cjwatson> 1490
[13:19] <cjwatson> 1329 newer than unstable
[13:19] <cjwatson> 7 newer than t-p-u (t-p-u is a partial suite so the numbers there are always going to be a bit odd)
[13:19] <cjwatson> this is using lp:~cjwatson/+junk/suite-diff
[13:19] <hrickards> cjwatson: Ah, I understand now.
[13:21] <Keybuk> ok
[13:21] <Keybuk> I've set it up so you can just add a package to unstable.txt
[13:21] <Keybuk> then it will get merged from there instead
[13:22] <pitti> E: debhelper_7.4.3ubuntu1_amd64.changes: bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file lucid
[13:22] <pitti> hehe
[13:24] <cjwatson> pitti: hmph, I thought we'd added that to lintian
[13:24] <pitti> lintian is current
[13:24] <pitti> well, while I'm at it I might just do an ubuntu2 with that
[13:25] <cjwatson> I'll add it upstream
[13:25] <pitti> thanks
[13:27] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552707
[13:27] <cjwatson> eek, that suggests Soyuz is going to need to learn to cope with the new source formats fairly sharpish
[13:28] <cjwatson> though I don't see anything on debian-devel-announce@ so maybe it's not actually being used yet
[13:29] <pitti> debhelper smoketest passed, uploaded
[13:30] <apw> cjwatson, would we expect lucid to show up in rmadison output yet?
[13:30] <cjwatson> pitti: http://git.debian.org/?p=lintian/lintian.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6f772a082dbe4d11d85821da67f85f094fced1a
[13:31] <ScottK> cjwatson: There's an ftp-master sprint this week.  I'd expect an announcement about the new source formats soon.
[13:31] <cjwatson> apw: *clicketyclick* should now
[13:31] <pitti> nice, thanks
[13:31]  * pitti commits cjwatson's recent cdbs change to bzr
[13:32] <cjwatson> sorry, I must have missed the Vcs-Bzr field
[13:32] <ScottK> cjwatson: I think wgrant has been working on it for Soyuz.
[13:32] <cjwatson> oh excellent
[13:32] <cjwatson> yay for wgrant as usual
[13:34]  * cjwatson finds https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg01484.html
[13:35] <apw> cjwatson, :) thanks
[13:46] <pitti> Riddell: cdbs has some ubuntu changes to kde.mk.in; do we still need that, or are you exclusively using kde4.mk.in now?
[13:46] <pitti> or ScottK ^
[13:47] <pitti> (dh_icons, --without-arts, and some kde-xgettext stuff)
[13:47] <ScottK> We need that
[13:47] <pitti> ok
[13:47] <ScottK> I'm 100% sure on --without-arts.  Probable on the others
[13:47] <Riddell> yep
[13:48] <pitti> np, keeping it
[14:32] <Chipzz> Hi, I would like a moment of your time to draw some attention to http://fosdem.org/2010/distrominiconf (a mail has already been sent to Jono :))
[14:34] <Chipzz> I'm pretty sure there are a lot of topics there where ubuntu can contribute its experience
[14:55] <pitti> cjwatson, doko_: so, binutils, gcc-4.4, debhelper, and cdbs are in; do you plan more toolchainish uploads?
[14:56] <cjwatson> doko was talking about perl
[14:57] <doko_> yep, 5.1 may be good to have in the archive before opening
[14:57] <cjwatson> ITYM 5.10.1
[14:58] <doko_> yep ...
[15:03] <doko_> pitti: but then, with an artificial b-d on the libc version in lucid so that it gets built after that one
[15:04] <doko_> cjwatson: no PPA's for lucid?
[15:05] <pitti> oh, right, there was no glibc upload for lucid yet; do you plan one?
[15:06] <ebroder> Hmm...it looks like not everything got rebuilt for the krb5 1.7 transition (c.f. bug #462059)
[15:06] <cjwatson> doko_: not yet, it's later on the checklist
[15:07] <cjwatson> doko_: if we enable them in general, people will be building them with the karmic toolchain, so we don't enable them until after opening
[15:07] <doko_> hmm, so no easy eglibc test builds
[15:07] <cjwatson> pitti: eglibc was already uploaded, wasn't it?
[15:07] <pitti> ah, silly me, looked for glibc
[15:07] <doko_> 2.10.1, yes, and I uploaded an 2.11~20091028 as well
[15:08] <doko_> to a PPA
[15:33] <m4t> hey, is anyone aware of a way to keep avahi from starting at boot? i tried adding exit to the scripts in /etc/networ/if-, commented out the 'start on' lines in /etc/init, modified symlinks in /etc/rc.N, etc.
[15:33] <m4t> i'm very unfamiliar with the upstart init system, and i wasn't really able to find out explicit documentation on disabling a service at boot
[15:34] <joaopinto> m4t, mv /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon.conf mv /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon.conf.disabled
[15:34] <m4t> joaopinto heh
[15:34] <m4t> cool
[15:34] <m4t> lets see
[15:39] <cjwatson> m4t: commenting out the two 'start on' lines should be sufficient
[15:40] <m4t> cwjwatson it seemed to undo itself
[15:40] <m4t> brb thoug
[15:42] <m4t> excellent, it didn't start up
[15:42] <m4t> did the trick thank you
[15:43] <m4t> heh, i spent a few hours rebuilding kernels because i wasn't aware of ext4's need for CONFIG_LBDAF
[15:43] <m4t> other than that things work pretty well
[15:53] <joaopinto> just a random thought, could the install process easily be changed to just copy the livecd filesystem structure to the target root partition ?
[15:53] <Chipzz> isn't that what's basically done anyway?
[15:53] <joaopinto> I guess that would avoid the overhead of unpacking the .debs
[15:54] <joaopinto> Chipzz, it is ? doesn't it just run a regular dpkg -i ?
[15:54] <Chipzz> joaopinto: the live CDs don't have any debs on them in the first place iirc
[15:54] <joaopinto> ah ok :)
[15:55] <Chipzz> joaopinto: the alternate installer does; but you were asking about the livecd
[15:55] <Chipzz> copying the filesystem is a bit of an oversimplicification, but that's what it (basically) boils down to
[15:56] <joaopinto> right, I was realling thinking about the livecd, I had the wrong idea it had .debs also, I guess that would be too much for a single cd :)
[15:56] <Chipzz> some packages need to have their postinst ran for obvious reasons, and you need to create a new user
[15:56] <jdong> I think copying the filesystem is not an oversimplification (tm)
[15:56] <jdong> it copies the filesystem then performs some post-configuration magic
[15:56] <Chipzz> jdong: ^^^
[15:57] <jdong> joaopinto: the Karmic installer definitely will reach out to the 'net to fetch some language packs as debs, if a connection is available
[15:57] <jdong> copy + magic is a good summary, I guess :)
[15:57] <joaopinto> eheh
[15:57] <Chipzz> shouldn't the topic be changed btw? #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-jaunty -> shouldn't that be dapper-karmic?
[16:01] <joaopinto> I am considering developin a tool to build custom install images, ISOs/USB, but I still need to learn more about initrd and friends :\
[16:08] <joaopinto> right now there is no easy way to build a custom demo cd
[16:41] <ion> keybuk: Btw, now that lucid is open, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ion/ubuntu/lucid/mountall/lucid ;-)
[16:42] <ion> keybuk: (No hurry, really.)
[16:43] <Keybuk> ion: I'm on leave ;-)
[16:43] <cjwatson> mvo: trying to set a record for the longest gap between branch creation and merge - having a look at your ubiquity auto-update branch :)
[16:44] <ion> keybuk: Have a good vacation.
[16:44] <cjwatson> lp:~cjwatson/ubiquity/auto-update is what I have so far although I haven't tested it yet
[16:45] <ion> (A quantum superposition of offtopic and ontopic: /me just posted http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2009/10/msg00154.html)
[16:46] <mvo> cjwatson: heh :) I'm having a look now
[16:59] <m4t> hey, so i have an old misnamed custom kernel, and even though its removed/purged, update-initramfs -k all still finds it
[16:59] <m4t> ive tried querying the dpkg db and looking through the files/filesystem but i wasnt able to find a trace of it
[17:00] <m4t> i tried strace -f'ing the update-initramfs as well
[17:00] <mvo> cjwatson: looks good I think, the only thing I can think of is http://paste.ubuntu.com/305206/ (a bug in my original branch)
[17:00] <m4t> anyone have an idea of where its getting the list of installed/available kernels?
[17:01] <cjwatson> mvo: makes sense, thanks
[17:01] <cjwatson> just hitting it with pychecker and waiting for a CD image rsync before I test it (the latter means I probably won't actually test it until next week or so)
[17:29] <dupondje> somebody can try printing from flash ?
[17:29] <dupondje> seems like I discovered a small bug
[17:44] <pedro_> jdstrand, hello, were you looking into evince apparmor bugs?
[17:44] <jdstrand> pedro_: which are you referring to?
[17:44] <jdong> it's not a bug, it's just really secure (tm) ;-)
[17:44] <pedro_> jdstrand, bug 465192
[17:45] <jdstrand> pedro_: is that the only one?
[17:46] <jdstrand> pedro_: other than the ones I have already commented on/triaged
[17:47] <pedro_> jdstrand, and a crash that might be related to apparmor as well bug 461747
[17:47] <pedro_> jdstrand, no just those
[17:47] <pedro_> jdstrand, right, I've been see you doing work there that's why i'm asking ;-)
[17:48] <jdstrand> pedro_: I noticed you removed that apparmor tag from the first one. when triaging, if you see that an application is protected by apparmor, and it is apparmor that is causing the problem, please add/leave the apparmor tag
[17:48] <jdstrand> pedro_: we changed this around slightly in DebuggingApparmor lately
[17:48] <pedro_> jdstrand, good to know, will do it
[17:49] <jdstrand> pedro_: there is no evidence that bug #461747 is apparmor related
[17:49] <jdstrand> pedro_: I've taken the other one
[17:50] <pedro_> jdstrand, ok, will follow up with the reporter on that one then
[17:50] <pedro_> jdstrand, thanks for checking!
[17:50] <jdstrand> pedro_: you can see more in DebuggingApparmor, but it is easy to spot an apparmor related issue by looking in kern.log for deny messages
[17:51] <pedro_> jdstrand, thanks will have a look into it
[17:51] <jdstrand> pedro_: evince now has an apport hook, so it will grab the kern.log messages
[17:51] <jdstrand> pedro_: notice in 461747 it references that apparmor is enabled, but no denials
[17:52] <jdstrand> pedro_: basically, what you see in 461747 is that apparmor is not a problem
[17:52] <pedro_> jdstrand, got it
[17:52] <jdstrand> cool
[17:52] <pedro_> thanks again :-)
[17:52] <jdstrand> pedro_: thanks for the ping
[17:52] <jdstrand> sure! :)
[17:53] <jdong> hmm how do we plan on addressing the whole issue with evince reading documents in odd places?
[17:53] <jdong> (and/or with odd names)
[18:41] <dupondje> somebody can try printing from flash ?
[19:41] <jdstrand> jdong: it should be mostly fixed, no?
[19:43] <jdstrand> jdong: excepting tunables, which we hope to discuss at UDS
[19:53] <dupondje> [ 1257.542387] type=1503 audit(1256922342.551:29): operation="exec" pid=3525 parent=3524 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.*/firefox" requested_mask="::x" denied_mask="::x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 name="/usr/bin/lpstat"
[19:53] <dupondje> [ 1772.875058] type=1503 audit(1256922857.881:30): operation="open" pid=3706 parent=2137 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=7 ouid=0 name="/var/run/samba/gencache.tdb"
[19:54] <dupondje> having the following when trying to print from Flash
[19:54] <dupondje> and it doesn't find any printers with apparmor loaded
[19:55] <jdstrand> dupondje: you mean as in the adobe flash plugin?
[19:56] <dupondje> yep
[19:56] <dupondje> but i'm using the 64bit addon (manually installed) from labs.adobe
[19:57] <jdstrand> dupondje: the first is the one we care about
[19:57] <dupondje> dunno if it has something to do with that :)
[19:57] <jdstrand> dupondje: possibly
[19:57] <dupondje> someobdy with the 32bit need to check ti
[19:57] <jdstrand> dupondje: can you add to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-3.5:
[19:57] <jdstrand>   /usr/bin/lpstat Ux,
[19:57] <jdstrand> dupondje: then run:
[19:57] <jdstrand> sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.firefox-3.5
[20:10] <jdstrand> dupondje: also, please file a bug at your earliest convenience, and use the 'apparmor' tag
[20:16] <JanC> I hope nobody uses the 32-bit plugin  ;)
[20:33] <kirkland> jcastro: yo
[20:33] <kirkland> jcastro: question about patches.ubuntu.com
[20:35] <jcastro> kirkland: sure
[20:35] <kirkland> jcastro: i have some people asking about something similar, but more against upstream, than debian
[20:36] <kirkland> jcastro: upstream kvm wants to be able to easily see what patches we're carrying
[20:36] <kirkland> jcastro: without apt-get source :-)
[20:36] <jcastro> kirkland: it's on my todo to discuss with the lp team, I have a call on tuesday with karl, I'll discuss
[20:36] <kirkland> jcastro: cool
[20:36] <jcastro> thanks for the prod though, it's a good idea
[20:36] <kirkland> jcastro: in the mean time, i'll get qemu-kvm into a package source branch
[20:37] <slangasek> bzr co lp:ubuntu/qemu-kvm/lucid - no apt-get source ;)
[20:38] <sistpoty> kirkland: just out of curiousity: have you heard of Alexander Graf yet? (seem to be the SuSE person for virtualisation)
[20:38] <kirkland> sistpoty: yeah, i hung out with him a few times at Linux Plumbers conf a few weeks ago
[20:38] <sistpoty> ah, I see... :)
[20:39]  * sistpoty met him last saturday, however didn't really realize it
[20:39] <kirkland> sistpoty: :-)  yeah, he seemed like a great guy
[20:39] <kirkland> sistpoty: i love what he's doing with nested virtualization
[20:40] <kirkland> slangasek: good call
[20:40] <sistpoty> kirkland: haven't heard about that one yet, but that he wants to clean up / unify virtualisation stuff... not too sure if that plan succeeds though ;)
[20:40] <Ng> is there a plan for the non-booting installs because of the duplicate partition signatures? (bug #426027)
[20:40] <Ng> like, could jaunty be updated to clear up duplicate signatures based on what's actually mounted?
[20:41] <Ng> at least for the rootfs
[20:41] <slangasek> hum, does the kernel even tell us that?
[20:41] <slangasek> /proc/mounts always just says "rootfs"
[20:42] <slangasek> Ng: does the git version of blkid fix it for you also?
[20:43] <slangasek> seems like we ought to be taking that as an SRU
[20:43] <slangasek> (the fixes, anyway)
[20:43] <Ng> slangasek: it's not my system, but the symptoms are identical to the person in that bug, it was an old install that wipes out a windows install, so it's showing ext and vfat indications
[20:47] <Ng> slangasek: I'm boggling massively at that rootfs thing ;)
[20:47] <Ng> what possible use is that?!
[20:48] <slangasek> oh, things are supposed to be useful
[20:48]  * slangasek makes a note
[20:48] <Ng> useful or pretty :)
[20:49] <cjwatson> rootfs is for the initramfs root, no?
[20:49] <Ng> hey yeah, I have a mount for / too
[20:49] <slangasek> oh, ok
[20:50] <slangasek> that's better than what I remember, then
[20:56] <dupondje> jdstrand: report bug to apparmor
[20:56] <dupondje> or flashplugin ?
[20:56] <Ng> also I'm curious if there's something that affected people can do after they hack out the UUIDs and boot again, to restore sanity to their partitions?
[20:57] <dupondje> bug flashplugin is bit tricky ? as I don't use the real flashplugin package ...
[21:00] <dtchen> mdz: I don't know offhand if there's a bug filed affecting grub/grub2. I do know, however, that it seems like every other "no sound" bug filed against alsa-driver in the past couple days has been "oh, you're still running Jaunty's kernel in Karmic", and having the reporter actually boot Karmic's kernel resolves the issue.
[21:02] <dtchen> mdz: in terms of verbose logging for PA, it's very chatty at that level, so I'm not sure how to address that without having the bug reporter actually follow a separate debugging path (as happens now with the wiki page). Suggestions welcome!
[21:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: I got Soyuz accepting, building and publishing the new source formats a couple of days ago, but I need to add lots of tests and clean things up a bit.
[21:17] <wgrant> Since Debian has it switched on now, I might see if I can get it landed in 3.1.10... or at least the bits that will make it easy to CP later.
[21:18] <wgrant> But does anybody have any idea when Debian will start accepting them?
[21:26] <Shockrates> hello
[21:27] <Shockrates> i want to contact the ubuntu developer team
[21:28] <Shockrates> because there is a newer version of sagemath available 4.2 and the package available in the repositories is version 3.1
[21:28] <Shockrates> can you make the new package?
[21:30] <sebner> wb sistpoty :D
[21:31] <sistpoty> re sebner
[21:31] <sebner> sistpoty: have you heard about the karmic linux ext4 bug?
[21:31] <Shockrates> whats that
[21:32] <sistpoty> sebner: heard: yes, but ignored since I'm a late adopter of new filesystems and am still on ext3
[21:32] <Shockrates> guys
[21:32] <sebner> sistpoty: ah, /me uses ext4 since jaunty *g* but if I encounter this bug (only happens with new installs) somebody is going to die :P
[21:32] <sebner> !backports | Shockrates
[21:33] <Shockrates> we would like sagemath 4.2 as a package in the repositories pleaase
[21:33] <Diddleha> Try to edit a source file using ubuntu's GNU/MC. Fix it so that it uses the internal editor (not nano) and ill write 10 more applications for you.
[21:34] <sistpoty> Diddleha: mc? you mean midnight commander?
[21:34] <Shockrates> sebner: so do i report a bug and ask for it?
[21:34] <Diddleha> http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/GNU-MC-Fixes
[21:35] <Diddleha> sistpoty: yes
[21:35] <ebroder> Any ubuntu-installer experts around? I'm trying to do an unattended install of Hardy, but with no bootloader. grub-installer/skip works, but even if I set lilo-installer/skip, it still tries to install LILO
[21:36] <sebner> Shockrates: well, you first have to wait/ask until Debian has this version and then sync over to ubuntu lucid (9.10) and then request a backport
[21:36] <Diddleha> sistpoty: My patch fixes the program, in that itll not show visible tabs and spaces etc (Cant code using it then). Problem is, it breaks the German Umlauts.
[21:37] <Diddleha> http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/GNU-MC-Fixes/mc-remove-visible-tabs-n-dots.patch
[21:38] <sistpoty> Diddleha: that's bad, I like umlauts (I'm German) :P... nontheless taking a closer look
[21:38] <Shockrates> sebner: the binary is available at the site as well as the source. what do we need debian for?
[21:38] <Diddleha> Oswald buddenhagen destroyed it for some reason. Perhaps to fix it.
[21:38] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Thanks!
[21:38] <sebner> Shockrates: let that the Debian Maintainer know
[21:39] <Shockrates> sebner: by the way if i download the binary, how can i just enter sage and make it load? have to copy it to /usr/bin or something?
[21:39] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Do KDE guys usually get into the GNU so they can destory things btw ?
[21:39] <sebner> Shockrates: run it with ./foo ?
[21:39] <sebner> ah
[21:39] <sebner> Shockrates: create a shellscript which starts sage
[21:39] <sebner> and copy that into /usr/bin
[21:39] <Diddleha> sistpoty: He asked what we used first, and then destroyed it.
[21:40] <sistpoty> Diddleha: sorry, not too sure I understand the relationship (not that involved with mc development myself)
[21:40] <Shockrates> sebner: lets say that sage is under desktop folder. what then the script would be?
[21:40] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Maybe ill take some friends with me and join KDE /hehe ... naah, thatd be equally evil.
[21:41] <sebner> Shockrates: ./home/foo/sage-binary
[21:41] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Just fix what that guy caused and ill be happy.
[21:42] <sistpoty> Diddleha: imo the fix looks sane, but I'm not too sure if it's worth an SRU for karmic...
[21:43] <sistpoty> Diddleha: does the same regexp still exist for 2:4.7.0-pre1-3 ?
[21:43] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Ive been coding using that fix, or as it was some years ago.
[21:43] <sistpoty> Diddleha: because we most likely will merging that from unstable
[21:43] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Its the same
[21:44] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Thank you buddy, lets make this work.
[21:44] <Diddleha> Would it help if i talk to my Debian developers as well ?
[21:45] <Diddleha> Too speed things up and such ?
[21:45] <sistpoty> Diddleha: actually I was about to ask you to do it ;)
[21:45] <sistpoty> Diddleha: that way we can get the fix in "for free" by merging the newer debian version
[21:46] <Diddleha> Ok.
[21:46] <sistpoty> thanks Diddleha!
[21:46] <Diddleha> Its in an appalling state atm, its time to make things right. Nw
[21:48] <Diddleha> sistpoty: the regular "vi" or "nano" etc actually works as expected, but im not sure how anyone could edit any file using this hybrid GNU/MC.
[21:50] <Diddleha> I had to recompile a new version for all oses because it seems the gnu was inhabited by, well... one jerk. If this Oswald Buddenhagen is here id like to have a chat in all friendlyness ?
[21:56] <geofft> Shockrates: The Debian maintainer is a friend of mine; he says if you e-mail him he'll look at upgrading the Debian version
[21:56] <geofft> the e-mail address in Original-Maintainer: works
[21:56] <Shockrates> geofft: ok whats his email address?
[21:57] <geofft> tabbott@mit.edu
[21:58] <Shockrates> cant you tell him to do it?
[21:58] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Im working with some governments to make people get some moniesfor their efforts in making the best systems ever. I hope anyone would enjoy that type of a deal ?
[21:59] <Roey> hey all
[21:59] <Roey> does Ubuntu ship with a 'nocd' boot-time kernel option?
[22:00] <geofft> I assume he'll forget without an e-mail.
[22:00] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Microsoft coders get much monies and most of those arent very good at all ;)
[22:01] <Diddleha> sistpoty: I think, that we as the people deserve to get a bit of money for our _better_ and _secure_ works
[22:02] <Diddleha> sistpoty: To be fair ive earned a total of 51 euros in 10 years. But i have high hopes for google ads .. heh :)
[22:03] <sistpoty> Diddleha: I'm sorry, but I'm not too sure I can follow you (either with your Microsoft comment nor with your comment about money)
[22:03] <Diddleha> sistpoty: That said im a gowd in many operators eyes.
[22:04] <Diddleha> sistpoty: Affirmative
[22:04] <Diddleha> Hey, its that all saints evening tonight right ?
[22:04] <Diddleha> Fax me a mask :)
[22:05]  * sistpoty feels the discussion has started to be a little bit offtopic for ubuntu-devel though
[22:05] <Diddleha> The man behind the mask! :)
[22:05] <Diddleha> Sorry mate. ill downplay
[22:05] <sistpoty> thanks
[22:05] <Diddleha> Np
[22:07] <Diddleha> I always figure, since noone is talking i can / we can etc. I can remember back in 1994-95 when people where afraid of chatting in public. Humans should never be afraid, then something is way wrong.
[22:21] <Diddleha> Synaptic crashed in karmic. Forgot to update the the libs as usual ?
[22:23] <Diddleha> Ability to play VOB's was lost. Other then that it seems very nice.
[22:23] <Diddleha> divx works
[22:25] <joaopinto> !ot | Diddleha
[22:32] <Diddleha> WooHaw!!!
[22:33] <YokoZar> Am I crazy, or did adding ppa:foo/ppa  to Software Sources once add the key as well?
[22:35] <ScottK> YokoZar: You say that like the two are mutally exclusive.
[22:35] <Diddleha> Hmm, i cant play .VOB files after the upgrade to Karmic. What can i do ?
[22:36] <YokoZar> !ot | Diddleha
[22:36] <Diddleha> YokoOhno
[22:36] <YokoZar> ScottK: what I mean is just adding the ppa would also add the key.  The current behavior seems to give the usual key not found warnings
[22:36] <wgrant> YokoZar: It does, as long as the key server isn't broken.
[22:37] <wgrant> But it probably is at the moment.
[22:37] <ScottK> I wonder if you can change the key server is uses to one that's actually reliable (the LP keys are mirrored to other keyservers)
[22:37] <wgrant> pool.sks-keyservers.net is good.
[22:38] <Diddleha> YokoZar: Where is this "ScottK" you apparently see ?
[22:43] <Roey> hi
[22:43] <Roey> Does Ubuntu have a 'nocd' boot option?
[22:45] <ScottK> Roey: Support is in #ubuntu.
[22:59] <Wombleness> hey you guys make ubuntu ay
[23:06] <ccheney> i just saw an example of the weird 3/4 high application view bug
[23:06] <ccheney> i saw a report of it on OOo before but this was with evince
[23:07] <ccheney> it shows up as ~ 3/4" tall with a gap at the top and the bar buttons only work if you click where they should be, not where they are being painted at
[23:07] <ccheney> er not 3/4" 3/4 of the height it should be
[23:08]  * ccheney bbl
[23:27] <Wombleness> mark shuttleworth is a sexist poo butt stinky
[23:32] <Amaranth> ccheney: wonder what is happening in the compiz animation plugin to cause that...
[23:33] <Amaranth> sounds like it's missing the final damage event