[00:03] <whoDat_> so..the latest mythbuntu is using mythtv .22 even though .22 isn't a release yet?
[00:05] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, yes. The release for .22 should be shortly
[00:05] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[00:05] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, the decision was made long ago to adopt .22 for this release rather than wait until 10.04 for .22
[00:07] <mattwj2002> man you guys are quick!
[00:07] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: okay just wondered
[00:07] <mattwj2002> how did you modify ubuntu 9.10 so quickly?
[00:07] <whoDat_> hmm I use vlc all the time.. so I shouldnt upgrade to 9.10?
[00:07] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, what do you mean?
[00:08] <whoDat_> I mean I don't use it within mythtv, i just run it from the xwindows menu. is the faq referring to using it in mythtv somehow?
[00:08] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, if its already installed it will upgrade just fine, we dropped it as the default
[00:08] <mattwj2002> don't you need to wait until ubuntu 9.10 is out before you can modify it to release it
[00:08] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, no, we have our own development cycle alongside the ubuntu development cycle
[00:09] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: what do you mean? i cant install vlc from the package manager in 9.10?
[00:09] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, you can. I mean we just dont install it by default anymore in 9.10
[00:10] <mattwj2002> oh doh
[00:10] <mattwj2002> I should have known that
[00:10] <whoDat_> i download movie .iso's and just play them by mounting through a loopback device
[00:10]  * mattwj2002 is embarassed
[00:10] <whoDat_> and play them with vlc
[00:10] <whoDat_> i will still be able to do that?
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, mythvideo will do that
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, and yes.
[00:10] <whoDat_> then the faq confuses me, lol
[00:10] <foxbuntu> whoDat_, you are in no way restricted from using VLC
[00:11] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, no problems
[00:17] <noisymime> Hi Guys... Just wanted to say great job on getting 9.10 out the door. You work is appreciated
[00:17] <foxbuntu> noisymime, thanks, its always good to hear good things form the users.
[00:20] <mattwj2002> I am using bittorrent on 9.10 right now
[00:20] <mattwj2002> but 9.10 rc was great
[00:20] <mattwj2002> :D
[00:20] <mattwj2002> same goes for me
[00:20] <mattwj2002> great work!
[00:21] <whoDat_> foxbuntu: i saw on the wiki that .22 only has like 6 tickets open.. so guess it was close enough to use. lol ;)
[00:21] <noisymime> Quick question (as its the only hick-up I ran into), I'm guessing package linux-firmware-nonfree can't be included by default due to it being in multiverse?
[00:21] <foxbuntu> noisymime, you got it
[00:22] <noisymime> bummer. ahh well, can't be helped I guess
[00:42] <whoDat_> what the heck
[00:42] <whoDat_> "canonical ltd no longer supprots these packages..blah blah blah"
[00:43] <whoDat_> i have to enable community maintained software?
[00:47] <Guest24120> Does anyone know if karmic mythtv has VDPAU?
[00:47] <Guest24120> support that is...
[00:48] <Guest24120> I'm trying to install to a nvidia-ion
[00:50] <Pwen> mythtv 0.22 supports vdpau
[00:50] <Pwen> I am using it right now :)
[00:50] <Guest24120> nice
[00:50] <Guest24120> painless to setup? just create a profile?
[00:51] <Pwen> profiles already created
[00:51] <Pwen> just enable them
[00:51] <Guest24120> I'm really hoping I can get this Acer Aspire Revo going with VDPAU and audio over HDMI
[00:51] <Guest24120> I think I would cry with joy
[00:51] <Pwen> I have audio over HDMI; Im using the S/PDIF output of the motherboard into an nVidia 9400GT graphics card with HDMI out
[00:51] <Pwen> works fine
[00:52] <Guest24120> that sounds great... on this system it's an NVIDIA 9400
[00:52] <Guest24120> with HDMI out
[00:53] <Guest24120> only other audio out is mini
[00:53] <Guest24120> do you know if your HDMI is > stereo?
[00:53] <Guest24120> like 5.1?
[00:53] <Pwen> HDMI AFAIK carries whatever audio is output to it
[00:54] <Pwen> and SPDIF is digital - so if the output from the computer to SPDIF is dolby 5.1 or something, it should go over the hdmi cable as 5.1 as well
[00:54] <Guest24120> yeah HDMI does from the standard, but I've not heard conclusively that there's great support
[00:54] <Guest24120> well, this is all looking great
[00:54] <rhpot1991> Guest24120: yep, ion should be fully supported
[00:54] <Guest24120> that would be so sweet
[00:54] <Guest24120> $200
[00:55] <Guest24120> for a 1080p frontend that's the size of a router
[00:55] <rhpot1991> I'm not positive if we got the vdpau playback profiles in at this point or not, if not you just have to make one for yourself
[00:55] <Guest24120> with low power consumption
[00:55] <Guest24120> yeah, that shouldn't be a problem
[00:55] <Guest24120> geez... I'm trying to install to a USB stick to see if I can boot from it and it's painfully slow
[00:56] <Pwen> flash media is painfully inconsistent ^_^
[00:56] <rhpot1991> well flash doesn't use any hardware offloading
[00:56] <rhpot1991> so its pure cpu rendering
[00:56] <bubba> it's brutal
[00:56] <bubba> <--- just changed user name
[00:56] <Guest62357> ack!
[00:57] <Guest62357> it just switched me back
[00:57] <rhpot1991> I've yet to attempt it on my ion to be honest
[00:57] <Pwen> can you guys link me to a script or something that renames episodes intelligently so myth can pull metadata for them?
[00:57] <rhpot1991> Pwen: there should be a myth.rename.something in the contrib folder
[00:57] <Guest62357> rhpot1991, you haven't tried USB boot on your ion?
[00:57] <rhpot1991>  /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.pl
[00:57] <rhpot1991> Guest62357: yep it works, a bit slow but once the OS gets up its just fine
[00:58] <rhpot1991> I'm running of a 4gb usb stick for now
[00:58] <rhpot1991> I've filled it up a few times though, so keep an eye on df -h
[00:58] <rhpot1991> Pwen: thats location above is for you
[00:59] <Guest62357> this is a 2GB stick and it's more of a POC than anything right now
[00:59] <Guest62357> if I find I'm filling up I'll just get a bigger one
[00:59] <rhpot1991> 2gb is gonna be tight I bet
[00:59] <Guest62357> really?
[00:59] <Guest62357> the installer didn't stop me
[00:59] <Guest62357> so I figured that I was OK
[00:59] <rhpot1991> john@ravage:~$ df -h
[00:59] <rhpot1991> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:59] <rhpot1991> /dev/sda1             3.5G  2.3G  1.1G  69% /
[01:00] <Guest62357> yikes
[01:00] <Guest62357> but how much have you put on it?
[01:00] <Pwen> thanks guys
[01:00] <rhpot1991> thats a stock install, with only mythtv things added onto it
[01:00] <rhpot1991> so themes and such
[01:00] <Guest62357> oh also, are you ubuntu?
[01:00] <Guest62357> I'm using mythbuntu
[01:00] <rhpot1991> mythbuntu
[01:00] <Guest62357> err
[01:00] <Guest62357> was hoping you were ubuntu (i.e. big gnome)
[01:01] <rhpot1991> see how far you can get with it, but I'd venture you will fill it up when you try to upgrade anything
[01:01] <Guest62357> hopefully I won't need to upgrade anything for this test
[01:01] <Guest62357> I just want to prove that I can get 1080p (w/ VDPAU) and audio over HDMI
[01:02] <Guest62357> then I'm either going to break things or celebrate
[01:02] <Guest62357> and over the weekend I can do a real install (hopefully)
[01:02] <Guest62357> why don't you remote boot?
[01:03] <rhpot1991> powerline ethernet, I try to keep any traffic to that box at a minimum
[01:03] <Guest62357> ah..
[01:03] <rhpot1991> plus I had the usb stick just laying around
[01:04] <Guest62357> I couldn't find good instructions
[01:04] <Guest62357> for remote boot
[01:04] <rhpot1991> I do plan on upgrading it to a 8gb though
[01:04] <rhpot1991> Guest62357: check the forums should be some pretty good writeups in there
[01:04] <Guest62357> I could dig into it, but I had bigger problems at the time
[01:04] <rhpot1991> I believe there is no MCC plugin for it though, so you will be executing commands by hand in order to set it all up
[01:04] <rhpot1991> !forums
[01:04] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[01:05] <Guest62357> yeah, you're exactly right rhpot no plugin
[01:05] <Guest62357> it was relying on another project that I can't remember the name of
[01:05] <Guest62357> it's used to deploy diskless systems...
[01:05] <Guest62357> and that project might have some documentation
[01:06] <Guest50941> rhpot, can you tell me if there are some video types that the ion will have a hard time playing?
[01:19] <hipitihop> I'm also running one of the ION setups, the POV ION 330 .. but I'm a little concerned about cooling. Is there a way I can remotely monitor temperatures ?
[01:22] <bubba_> I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm currious... why are you concerned?
[01:24] <bubba_> usb install died at 16% (1.5 hours into the install)
[01:25] <bubba_> post-installation script failed
[01:25] <mrand> hipithop: I haven't done it, but google turned this up real quick:  http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/enabling-hardware-sensors-in-linux/
[01:26] <mrand> bubba_ usb installs have been problematic for me on one of my computers - had to burn a CD.  But before doing that, did you verify the usb contents with the check function on the first menu?
[01:27] <bubba_> mrand, I actually tried doing using "USB startup disk creator" first
[01:27] <bubba_> but it just installed the .iso to the stick and when I booted it was just the Live image
[01:28] <bubba_> so I know the disk is formattable and bootable
[01:28] <hipitihop> mrand: thanks
[01:28] <bubba_> I'm not sure which check function you're referring to
[01:28] <mrand> hipitihop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[01:29] <mrand> bubba_ on the menu where you choose between booting into live environment and booting directly to an install, there is also a checksum function that you should try running.
[01:29] <bubba_> install is counting past 100%... I'm at 104% now, but it's still displaying install operations
[01:29] <bubba_> so I think it's still going
[01:29] <bubba_> oh sure to check the .iso
[01:29] <mrand> 104 is better than 100, right? :-)
[01:29] <mrand> right
[01:29] <bubba_> yeah, I hope so :)
[01:30] <bubba_> you know, I rarely check the image
[01:30] <bubba_> I've not often seen that problem
[01:30] <bubba_> but you're right, it could be the culprit
[01:30] <ToeBee> heh I had a DOS scandisk go past 100% once. I don't think that story ended well for the hard drive
[01:31] <bubba_> yikes!
[01:31] <bubba_> I really just want to test out this ion
[01:31] <bubba_> I don't really want to be messing with USB Boot
[01:31] <bubba_> but I also don't want to wipre the pre-installed OS if this system fails me and I have to return it
[01:36] <bubba_> hmm... it just removed samba
[01:36] <bubba_> but it is running a bunch of post-install scripts
[01:37] <bubba_> restart
[01:38] <bubba_> blinking cursor on USB boot
[01:39] <bubba_> OK, time for mythbuntu to stomp on XP
[01:48] <rhpot1991> bubba_: weird you are having those issues installing, installing was fine for me, but booting from the installed usb stick is a little slow
[01:48] <bubba_> I'm currently installing over the pre-installed OS now
[01:48] <rhpot1991> hipitihop: lmsensors can do that for you
[01:49] <bubba_> I'm more interested in VDPAU and audio over HDMI right now
[01:49] <rhpot1991> heh looks like mrand already pointed you at that though
[01:49] <bubba_> what, that it should work?
[01:49] <rhpot1991> bubba_: both work out of the box in karmic
[01:49] <bubba_> OK, I want to see it for myself
[01:49] <rhpot1991> bubba_: no that was pointed at hipitihop
[01:49] <rhpot1991> for hdmi audio, just run alsamixer
[01:50] <rhpot1991> enable all the iec985 outputs
[01:50] <rhpot1991> and set mythtv to use alsa:hdmi for output and passthrough
[01:50] <rhpot1991> and it should work
[01:50] <bubba_> awesome... thank you
[01:51] <rhpot1991> for VDPAU, just install the nvidia drivers, and use the VDPAU playback profile (if it exists, if not you will need to make one)
[01:51] <rhpot1991> I tweaked my xorg.conf a bit for vdpau too
[01:51] <bubba_> do you disable pulse?
[01:52] <Pwen> I set myth to use default sound and hdmi worked
[01:52] <Pwen> rhpot1991: what other tweaks did you make to xorg?
[01:52] <rhpot1991> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7bc67709
[01:52] <rhpot1991> Pwen: ^
[01:52] <bubba_> how so did you tweak xorg? I was going to try the config utility and then try this xorg from a blog
[01:53] <rhpot1991> disabled composite, and enabled tripplebuffer
[01:53] <rhpot1991> just open /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor, and save it
[01:53] <rhpot1991> backup first, just in case
[01:53] <bubba_> Option  "TripleBuffer" "True"
[01:53] <bubba_> and disable composite
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991> Section "Extensions"
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991>         Option         "Composite" "Disable"
[01:53] <rhpot1991> #
[01:53] <rhpot1991> EndSection
[01:53] <rhpot1991> woops, spammy sorry
[01:53] <Pwen> what does that actually do? mine is performing fine as it is
[01:54] <rhpot1991> Pwen: don't worry about it then :)
[01:54] <Pwen> ^_^
[01:54] <rhpot1991> I was having some tearing issue
[01:54] <bubba_> I think that cut-n-paste is only bothersome in high traffic rooms
[01:54] <bubba_> but that's my opinion
[01:54] <rhpot1991> anything more than 3 lines you should pastebin
[01:54] <rhpot1991> general rule to follow
[01:54] <hads> Naughty rhpot1991 :)
[01:55] <bubba_> but why in a room where there are only a few people chatting?
[01:55] <bubba_> just becuase there's a chance someone's comment will get clobbered?
[01:55] <rhpot1991> bubba_: its a curtsy thing
[01:55] <bubba_> which is probably reason enough
[01:55] <rhpot1991> sometimes clients will auto kick you and stuff for that too
[01:55] <bubba_> HDD install on this atom is pretty brutal too
[01:56] <rhpot1991> bubba_: are you installing from usb, cd?
[01:56] <bubba_> CD
[01:56] <rhpot1991> maybe you have a bad burn or something
[01:56] <bubba_> 62%
[01:56] <rhpot1991> did you error check it?
[01:56] <bubba_> it's moving, but it's slow
[01:56] <bubba_> nah, skipped error check again...
[01:56] <bubba_> if this fails I'll definitely error check
[01:56] <rhpot1991> if it gives you problems do that, and check the md5sum on your iso
[01:57] <bubba_> in fact, I'll D/L again now just in case
[01:57] <rhpot1991> off to watch some TV, if you have questions yell and I'll check back later if someone didn't hop in by then
[01:57] <bubba_> thanks for the help!!!
[01:57] <rhpot1991> no problem, good luck
[02:00] <hipitihop> rhpot1991: yes thanks, looking into lmsensors now
[02:12] <bubba_> anyone have a good remote control recommendation? I have a Snapstream Firefly and a SS FF mini
[02:12] <bubba_> I accidentally smashed the FF mini receiver though so I need a new remote
[02:15] <mrand> Can't get another off ebay or something?
[02:16] <mrand> There are lots of good remotes in the world.  Just depends on what features you want and what you are willing to pay!
[02:16] <bubba_> I can get another one... the SS stuff hasn't been 100% successful for me
[02:17] <bubba_> the FF (non-mini) needs some config file changes for support
[02:17] <bubba_> and the mini has some issues too
[02:19] <mrand> What kind of changes?  you should try to get any changes integrated into lirc.
[02:20] <mrand> I thought I remember reading that they were a pretty inexpensive RF remote.  Most RF remotes are not cheap, so if you're really happy with it, I'd probably stick with it.
[02:20] <bubba_> the FF (non-mini) is radio
[02:20] <bubba_> err RF
[02:20] <bubba_> which is really nice because you don't need to direct it to a receiver
[02:21] <mrand> Yeah, I have an RF remote that I need to reenable.  They are nice.
[02:21] <hipitihop> mrand: & rhpot1991: followed that link and even rebooted, sensors claims no sensors found and during the install I got #----cut here----
[02:21] <hipitihop> # Chip drivers
[02:21] <hipitihop> # no driver for Fintek F71858DG Super IO Sensors yet
[02:21] <hipitihop> #----cut here----
[02:21] <mrand> bummer
[02:22] <mrand> You on 9.10?
[02:22] <hipitihop> yes, the beta with all updates
[02:22] <mrand> Strange: http://www.lm-sensors.org/changeset/5109
[02:23] <hipitihop> well mythtv-themes have been kept back for last few days but all else seems fine
[02:24] <mrand> More odd: http://www.lm-sensors.org/ticket/2297
[02:25] <hipitihop> indeed.. out of my depth now
[02:25] <mrand> I don't quite get it.  That changeset was from early 2008 and the bug was filed later than that.... and is still open.
[02:25] <mrand> *puzzle*
[02:27] <hads> lmsensor seems a bit slow
[02:27] <mrand> Oh.  Looks like Ubuntu hasn't updated lm-sensors in forever: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=lm-sensors
[02:27] <mrand> in what way, hads?
[02:28] <hads> I should say, lm-sensors in Ubuntu is slow at picking up support for new stuff
[02:28] <bubba_> playback hangs when I try to play from the backend
[02:28] <hipitihop> 1:3.0.2-2ubuntu4
[02:29] <bubba_> "please wait..."
[02:31] <mrand> hipithop: yes.... see the ppa mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/336418
[02:34] <mrand> hipitihop: this might apply: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ/Chapter3#Mysensorshavestoppedworkinginkernel2.6.31
[02:36] <mrand> bubba_ : it might be worth letting it sit there for quite some time to see if it ends up coming back: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/381744?search_string=please%20wait;#381744
[02:36] <hipitihop> mrand: this ppa ? https://launchpad.net/~eudoxos/+archive/ppa
[02:38] <bubba_> I'm going to mount a remote nfs share and try to play some video
[02:39] <mrand> hipitihop: lmsensors-3 from  https://launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=
[02:39] <toorima> anyone know how to get mplayer to play black and white? can't find much about in the man pages about it
[02:41] <hipitihop> mrand: thanks, shold I remove previous install first you think ?
[02:42] <mrand> hipitihop: I probably would.  I'd hope it wouldn't matter and that he'd remove the old one.
[02:44] <mrand> toorima: it is mentioned on this man page: http://linuxreviews.org/man/mplayer/
[02:46] <hads> -vo zr only
[02:48] <toorima> hmm I'll try that
[02:48] <toorima> thx
[02:49] <mrand> -zrbw (-vo zr only)   Display in black and white. For optimal performance, this can be combined with '-lavdopts gray'.
[02:53] <toorima> I get no video when I try that
[02:54] <hads> That's because it's -vo zr only.
[02:54] <rhpot1991> bubba_: this one is pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Control-Receiver-Windows-A9O-00007/dp/B00066FIO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256871227&sr=8-1
[02:54] <rhpot1991> just don't pay too much, check the used and new there, 30-40 is ok, I wouldn't pay more than that
[02:54] <toorima> hmm any other way of doing it? lover colors or something?
[02:55] <bubba_> I like that one, it's rounded like the firefly
[02:55]  * rhpot1991 goes back to TV
[02:55] <bubba_> comfortable to the hand
[02:56] <hipitihop> mrand: lm-sensors away !! .. many thanks... now back to original artical to see how to remotely watch :-)
[02:57] <bubba_> hmm... not having much luck with this system so far
[02:57] <bubba_> codec install through MCC hung
[02:57] <bubba_> so I can't get videos in mythvideo to play
[02:57] <bubba_> and recordings from the backend have previews (static)
[02:57] <bubba_> but they hang on "Please wait..." when I try to play any
[02:58] <bubba_> using your xorg.conf rhport1991
[03:12] <toorima> thx guys, just adding -lavdopts gray gives black & white output, thx again :)
[03:56] <bubba_> sigh...
[03:57] <bubba_> just hangs at "please wait..." and I can't seem to get any video files in mythvideo to play either
[03:58] <Casper0082> bubba_: are these videos on a nfs or samba share?
[03:58] <bubba_> nfs
[03:59] <Casper0082> bubba_: double check that it's actually mounted and you can get to the videos via terminal
[04:00] <Casper0082> I remember having my videos just sit there and it was because I bounced my storage server and forgot to remount
[04:01] <bubba_> they're mounted and I can see them from the command line
[04:02] <Casper0082> ok, are these ripped movies (Video_TS folder) or ISOs?
[04:04] <bubba_> I've got them all
[04:04] <bubba_> .avi, .wmv, .iso somewhere
[04:04] <Casper0082> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide#Storage_Groups
[04:05] <bubba_> vlc plays videos
[04:05] <bubba_> it's choking on a 720p video though
[04:05] <Casper0082> You using storage groups?
[04:05] <bubba_> no
[04:05] <bubba_> not that I'm aware of
[04:05] <Casper0082> I'd read that and double check
[04:05] <Casper0082> since those are known issues
[04:06] <bubba_> so this is a storage server that I've been using with myth for a few years
[04:06] <bubba_> everything was working well until I broke my frontend
[04:06] <bubba_> the mobo just died on me
[04:06] <bubba_> so I'm installing to a new system
[04:06] <bubba_> I'm fairly confident in the server setup
[04:06] <bubba_> and the frontend is a fresh install
[04:07] <bubba_> I'm not getting any audio out of HDMI either
[04:15] <bubba_> was randomly trying video files
[04:15] <bubba_> and one started the player..
[04:15] <bubba_> but it's just sitting on "Please Wait..." too
[04:34] <mattwj2002> hi all
[04:39] <namg989> is the website down
[04:41] <mrand> appears to be.
[04:41] <mrand> thanks
[04:52] <BitS> I don't suppose anyone has a download link for the 9.10 release?
[04:52] <BitS> since it appears that the website is hosed
[04:53] <mrand> sure...
[04:53] <BitS> care to share? :)
[04:54] <mrand> working on it.....   seems like the outage is more widespread than I thought
[04:54] <BitS> oh
[04:54] <BitS> well, is there any overwhelming reason why upgrading from the RC wouldn't result in the same thing?
[04:55] <BitS> I have an RC iso I can work with
[04:55] <mrand> upgrading from RC should get you the exact same thing.  Upgrading may be a bit slow for the next few days due to the release.
[04:55] <BitS> I'll just do that then
[04:56] <BitS> slow is better than nothing :)
[04:56] <BitS> oh, one last thing, are there any known issues with a 64 bit backend and a 32 bit front end?
[04:57] <mrand> Yeah - I'm sure the ubuntu side would appreciate less bandwidth usage.
[04:57] <mrand> No, should be no compatibility problems between 64 and 32 bit builds.
[04:57] <BitS> yea, I can wait on the updates anyway, I'm guessing mythtv itself isn't majorly different
[04:58] <mrand> If it is any different, it isn't much at all.
[04:58] <mrand> mythtv upstream is kinda frozen at the moment.
[04:58] <mrand> They are in RC mode, and fighting unrelated server problems as well.
[04:58] <BitS> oh yea? Trying to get a .22 released?
[04:58] <BitS> ah
[05:00] <BitS> This will be my third stab at an install, my QAM card is giving my crappy output, which I'm blaming on poor signal quality, but getting the cable company off their butts without a digital box in the house is like pushing an elephant
[05:00] <mrand> Once they get RC2 out, and then final out, they'll start back porting more to the 0.22-fixes branch, which you'll be able to pick up with the auto-builds repo.
[05:00] <mrand> I can imagine!
[05:00] <BitS> mythtv tells me I've got 0% signal (which I just assumed is bad data from the card as it never changes) and a 2.5db S/N
[05:01] <mrand> happen to have a digital tv with a tuner, or know a friend with a small set?
[05:01] <BitS> unfortunately since I just switched from WMC all analog to MythTV with a QAM and a Analog card I'm in uncharted territory
[05:01] <BitS> for myself anyway
[05:01] <BitS> not anywhere near enough to be useful
[05:02] <mrand> google is your friend ;-)
[05:02] <BitS> I've got a friend that works for the cable company on the cable modem side, but the cable modem signal is good enough
[05:02] <BitS> not enough that he can justify sending someone out
[05:02] <mrand> bummer!
[05:03] <BitS> we had the cable company digital box about a year and a half ago, it had the same artifacting and sound issues, so its a safe bet
[05:03] <BitS> probably going to have to go back to it long enough to get them to fix it
[05:03] <BitS> then take it bakc
[05:03] <BitS> anyway, enough rambling thanks for your hel
[05:03] <BitS> p
[05:04] <namg989> my wmce system died yesterday. moving to mythbuntu. what tuner card should be at the top of my list?
[05:04] <mrand> BitS: sure thing.  good luck.
[05:04] <mrand> namg989: digital capture?
[05:05] <namg989> would like to do both. willing to do two cards or a combo
[05:06] <mrand> I'm not up on combo cards.  I'm guessing most any analog card that is listed on wiki.mythtv.org as working would be fine for SD.   For digital capture, people absolutely rave about the HDHomerun.  It just works - and has two tuners.
[05:07] <mrand> For HD capture, there is only one solution: HD-PVR
[05:09] <mrand> There are plenty of other (less expensive) solutions for digital capture besides the HDHomerun... but I don't have first hand experience, so I hesitate slightly.  Searching mythtv archives or wiki should turn up plenty of alternatives.
[05:09] <mrand> Bed time... ahve fun!
[05:09]  * mrand sleeps
[05:10] <namg989> any problems with building a system with analog card in pci slot, and HD in pci-e
[07:57] <rhp> Hi all, I was about to as whether the release of mythbuntu would wait for the release of mythtv 0.22, but I see in the topic that it is already out. Maybe that explains why the website seems down.
[07:57] <rhp> I suppose that when mythtv 0.22 is released, the mythbuntu packages are updated?
[07:58] <rhp> What I'm trying to ask: is it sensible to install mythbuntu already? Or is it better to wait a bit?
[08:07] <hads> rhp: Install away
[08:08] <hipitihop> rhp I have been running it for some weeks now... originally a 9.04 mythbuntu upgraded to the karmic beta along with .22 YMMV but sofar ther eis no lookking back for me
[08:10] <hipitihop> I'm still getting mythfilldatabse reporting "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2009-10-30 18:04 and ended on 2009-10-30 18:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."  How do I debug the issue or otherwise turn off the grabber ?
[08:10] <hipitihop> reporte by mythweb status
[08:23] <rhp> hads: 9.10 will get the final release of 0.22 once released?
[13:14] <bsusa> hello
[13:15] <bsusa> does someone know how to change the default tv tuner settings globally?
[14:38] <bubba_> anyone know how to change the cpu frequency scaling in mythbuntu?
[14:44] <bubba_> looks like there's a xfce4 plugin
[15:29] <quinten_> hi! quick question
[15:30] <quinten_> does the 9.10 release include the latest alsa drivers? i've been having to download the drivers for each new kernel update to get hdmi audio support in the past
[15:30] <quinten_> i guess anything about 0.18
[15:38] <mrand> 9.10 uses ALSA version 1.0.20 but it's a customized version with a lot of backports from 1.0.21
[15:39] <mrand> http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/2009/10/29/upgrade-alsa-1-0-21-on-ubuntu-karmic-koala-9-10/
[18:31] <curif> Hi! somebody can help me with a time/date problem?
[18:32] <curif> The time and/or time zone settings on this system do not match those in use on the master backend.
[18:32] <curif> But frontend and backend are in the same machine...
[18:40] <curif> I change the tzdata, and later execute the frontend in a session with a tz environment variable
[18:41] <curif> adjusted to the tzdata, and the forntend runs ok, but the date in the screen is wrong,
[19:25] <curif> !help
[19:41] <fpr02> Hi, is there a mailing list post somewhere talking about the decision to have mythtv-themes conflict with certain themes?
[19:42] <fpr02> the retro theme's always worked fine for me under both 0.21 and 0.22 so i was suprised to see it vanish
[19:45] <superm1> well some themes work better than others in that scenario
[19:45] <superm1> upstream preferred that people need to go out of their way to add in 0.21 themes if they want them
[19:46] <superm1> both as a jab at the theme author to go fix  them (or someone in the community), as well as to get them away from supporting things that have a tendency to  break
[19:46] <superm1> you can
[19:46] <superm1> remove the mythtv-themes meta and just install one of them still
[19:46] <superm1> this was all discussed in IRC
[19:50] <fpr02> thanks, i see if i can find it in the logs
[19:50] <fpr02> *i'll
[20:54] <superm1> fpr02, it was in an unlogged channel
[20:54] <superm1> well unlogged publicly
[20:54] <superm1> #ubuntu-mythtv-dev is where we talked about it
[21:10] <dedi> after installing mythbuntu 9.10 from netboot, mysql isnt properly setup, either database or user for myth exists.
[21:10] <fpr02> ah
[21:11] <fpr02> what exactly is wrong with it? can i do anything to get it put back?
[21:12] <dedi> u run mc.sql and also created a user with password from /etc/mythtv/mysql, still cant login
[21:15] <superm1> fpr02, just remove the mythtv-themes meta package (it will do no harm doing so)
[21:15] <superm1> and then you can reinstall the deb
[21:18] <fpr02> erm, I meant to get Retro back into mythtv
[21:27] <superm1> yeah that's how you do it
[21:27] <fpr02> i mean upstream
[21:27] <fpr02> so retro is supported again
[21:28] <fpr02> :0
[21:28] <fpr02> hmm, wrong emoticon, :)
[21:28] <tgm4883> fpr02, you need to contact the author
[21:28] <tgm4883> and get them to make it compatible with 0.22
[21:29] <fpr02> fair enough, what way is it currently incompatible?
[21:29] <fpr02> would this merely involve updating xml files?
[21:29] <superm1> fpr02, well it needs to be converted to mythui
[21:29] <superm1> fpr02, join #mythtv-theming
[21:29] <superm1> they'll help get you started if you want to get it fixed up
[21:30] <fpr02> thanks
[22:07] <ourtv> so is it just me or does the delete recordings menu point to watch recordings for everyone? i have know way to delete recordings
[22:07] <ourtv> 9.10
[22:13] <mrand> I'm not in front of my box, but if you right arrow on a recording, does it give you a menu?
[22:30] <tgm4883> mrand, that doesn't work anymore because of mythui
[22:30] <tgm4883> you have to hit i
[22:31] <ourtv> mrand, no.  it did on 9.04.  but in 9.10 right arrow just takes you the group listing
[22:31] <ourtv> tgm4883, but when i hit i there is no option for delete
[22:31] <superm1> scroll down further
[22:32] <superm1> its off screen i think
[22:32] <superm1> gbutters, ^ is that possible to resize that dialog to fit the delete thing on there to prevent confusion?
[22:33] <tgm4883> or implement an arrow indicating that there is mroe
[22:33] <tgm4883> more*
[22:33] <ourtv> superm1, nope.  the list item in the list is Help(Status Icon)
[22:33] <superm1> when you hit "i"?
[22:33] <ourtv> superm1, yep
[22:33] <tgm4883> maybe it's not mapped to i
[22:33] <superm1> if so, try "m"
[22:33] <tgm4883> it's i on the MCEUSB remote
[22:33] <tgm4883> yea, try m
[22:34] <ourtv> superm1, ok. it's i
[22:34] <ourtv> superm1, thanks.  so is it by design then that delete recordings and watch recordings goes to the same menu?
[22:35] <superm1> not sure
[22:35] <superm1> #mythtv-users might be able to tell ya
[22:52] <gbutters> tgm4883: There should be an arrow there
[23:34] <tmkt> ourtv: yes
[23:34] <Burstaholic> Hey, is the latest mythbuntu available for powerpc?
[23:34] <tmkt> it is by design
[23:34] <tmkt> delte recordings shouldn't exist
[23:34] <tmkt> since you should be able to delete recordings from the watch recordings screen
[23:35] <tmkt> using the info menu
[23:39] <mrand> Burstaholic: There are no PowerPC specific disks made with Mythbuntu.  But in theory, I suppose you should be able to add the myth packages to a PowerPC install, but we haven't heard of anyone doing it in recent history.  Let us know if it works!  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC and the links at the bottom of that page.
[23:39] <Burstaholic> thanks
[23:41] <android6011> is this the recommended way of doing pxe boot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless
[23:41] <android6011> or is there a better updated method
[23:41] <android6011> ?