[00:04]  * nalioth is still sore about them jettisioning irssi from the defaults . . 
[00:05] <Flannel> nalioth: Amen to that
[00:05] <topyli> damn those ubuntu people
[00:05] <Flannel> topyli: eh, it's important in the case of X breakage.  "irc" at a terminal starts up a happy-friendly-help session
[00:06] <topyli> whut
[00:06] <topyli> i've never had irssi on ubuntu, so i wouldn't know how painful it is. my irssi runs on a debian server
[00:06] <Flannel> topyli: Since irssi isn't installed by default, you have no IRC client should X break
[00:07] <Flannel> (by default)
[00:07] <topyli> this much i know
[00:07] <Flannel> topyli: Back when irssi was, you did.
[00:08] <topyli> hmm
[00:08] <topyli> i still wouldn't include irssi on the cd. apparently, you would :)
[00:09] <Flannel> I just think having some live communication from broken-X is an important safety net
[00:10] <topyli> sure, agreed
[00:10] <topyli> not sure if a newbie with broken X would think about this though
[00:10] <Flannel> whether that means installed by default, or hand-held through installing/using when X breaks, or whatever.
[00:10] <Flannel> topyli: Right.  but "irc" does start irssi through alternatives
[00:11] <Flannel> so, one needn't know about irssi exactly
[00:11] <topyli> hrm. except it doesnt?
[00:12] <Flannel> topyli: do you have irssi installed?
[00:13] <Seeker`> irssi \o/
[00:13] <Seeker`> is it out yet?
[00:13] <Flannel> does "irc" start whatever GUI you've got?
[00:13] <topyli> not on ubuntu. it's on the server over there somewhere
[00:13] <Flannel> topyli: Ah well, it does!
[00:14] <topyli> Flannel, 'irc' says there is nothing, and advices me to install.... OHHH NOW I SEE
[00:14] <topyli> this really is not good
[00:14] <Flannel> topyli: if you have irssi installed, "irc" starts irssi (/etc/alternatives/irc)
[00:15] <topyli> but program-not-found doesn't even mention it
[00:15] <MenZa> Could someone watch llua in #u?
[00:15] <niko> the best place for irssi in into a screen on a server
[00:15] <topyli> haha
[00:15] <Flannel> MenZa: Just removed from -ot
[00:16] <MenZa> Flannel: Aye, I saw
[00:16] <MenZa> Flannel: He's re-spamming in #u
[01:39] <mnaines> I found a good book to recommend to people who want to get more in-depth information about Ubuntu
[01:39] <Flannel> Howdy mnaines, how can we help you tonight?
[01:39] <mnaines> Flannel, I found a book to recommend to people who want to get more in-depth info about Ubuntu
[01:40] <mnaines> "The Official Ubuntu Book", written by some of the top contributors to the Ubuntu project
[01:42] <mnaines> It covers Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, common problems and troubleshooting issues, installation and use, ubuntu server, and command line stuff
[01:43] <Seeker`> sorry, I seem to have missed how the is relevant to -ops
[01:43] <mnaines> Seeker`: I figure the ops would be able to recommend the book to people if the question cannot be answered in the support room
[01:44] <Seeker`> if people are asking questions in #ubuntu and don't get an answer, there are better options than a book to refer them to next
[01:45] <mnaines> True
[01:45] <mnaines> Anyway, I'm out
[01:46] <krummlauf> uh
[01:48] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[02:43] <Madpilot> um, does everyone with a membership cloak have ops in -release-party?
[02:45] <nalioth> Madpilot: that's what the ACL says
[02:45] <Madpilot> ah
[02:45] <nalioth> why do you ask?
[02:46] <Flannel> Hellow's relishing in it still, I imagine.
[02:46] <Madpilot> just had a random member attempt to bounce a quasi-troll
[02:46] <Madpilot> yes, Hellow
[02:46] <nalioth> feel free to rein 'em in (via PM, preferably)
[02:46] <Madpilot> vs Ubantu_Dude, who thankfully is being ignored
[03:14] <Flannel> Howdy mnaines, how can we help you today?
[03:14] <mnaines> I do not know how to call the ops to the support room, but we are having an issue with a particular room member
[03:14] <Flannel> mnaines: Whos that?
[03:14] <mnaines> Goes by the name MatFarrel, he's whining that there aren't enough seeds on the torrent and he keeps telling people to help him make the download faster
[03:15] <Flannel> mnaines: I'll keep an eye on him, thanks for the headsup
[03:15] <mnaines> Not a problem
[03:25] <krummlauf> wheres ikonia
[03:34] <cdm10> (Ubantu is in #u, in case no one noticed)
[03:40] <cdm10> Shabalabadingda
[03:41] <MenZa> No ops around?
[03:41] <MenZa> !staff
[03:41]  * Amaranth loves Floodbot
[03:42] <MenZa> Amaranth: Could you clean up in #u?
[03:42] <Amaranth> Depends on what clean up means :)
[03:42] <Amaranth> MenZa: You don't have access?
[03:42] <MenZa> Nope.
[03:42] <MenZa> Ubantu, Shabalabadinga.
[03:43] <cdm10> erm, he's back?
[03:43] <Amaranth> MenZa: Have at it :)
[03:43] <MenZa> Not anymore, apparently.
[03:43]  * Amaranth is doing some programming stuff right now
[03:43] <cdm10> Amaranth: it's THAT easy to get ops in #u? Damn, shoulda tried that a long time ago! :)
[03:44] <Amaranth> cdm10: MenZa is an op, just not in #ubuntu
[03:44] <cdm10> Amaranth: ah. Haven't seen him around.
[03:45] <Amaranth> hrm, guess he doesn't want to do it
[03:45] <MenZa> I did not notice that until now, Amaranth :P
[03:45] <Amaranth> Well, I guess you can just call for ops as needed
[03:45] <Amaranth> I'll be gone (bed) in about 45 minutes
[03:46] <MenZa> Shall do, you seem to be the only one around.
[03:47] <_Ubantu_Dude_> I am being unfairly treated in the ubuntu channels
[03:47] <Amaranth> How do?
[03:47] <Amaranth> err, how so?
[03:47] <_Ubantu_Dude_> Well Hellow banned me from Ubuntu-release-party because I accused him of being a douche bag because his mom took away all of his anime and grounded him
[03:48] <Amaranth> Uh
[03:48] <_Ubantu_Dude_> and tonyyarusso banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic because I told him I fornicated with his imaginary girlfriend
[03:48] <Amaranth> _Ubantu_Dude_: You're not getting unbanned, you might as well just leave now
[03:48] <MenZa> _Ubantu_Dude_: Please stop trolling.
[03:48] <MenZa> Or at least go to a different channel so you can get k-lined.
[03:48] <_Ubantu_Dude_> and I forgot why I got banned from #ubuntu but I think I said some ethnic slur or something anit-hew
[03:48] <_Ubantu_Dude_> jew
[03:48] <_Ubantu_Dude_> I forget what I do these days
[03:49] <MenZa> _Ubantu_Dude_: Then maybe you shouldn't be in the #ubuntu channels.
[03:49] <MenZa> !coc > _Ubantu_Dude_
[03:49] <_Ubantu_Dude_> O its cool, ive been klined atleast 30 times from freenode
[03:49] <Amaranth> !ops
[03:49] <MenZa> nalioth, would you care to take alook at the above statement?
[03:49] <cdm10> _Ubantu_Dude_: you're Doing It Wrong
[03:49] <MenZa> cdm10: Please don't interfere :)
[03:49] <cdm10> sorry :)
[03:49] <_Ubantu_Dude_> I am just using some random tor exit node at the moment to be honest
[03:50] <_Ubantu_Dude_> Dude Amaranth did you summon like captian planet or something
[03:50] <_Ubantu_Dude_> maybe even voltron?
[03:50] <Amaranth> You're obviously not because those are flagged as such by freenode. Try again.
[03:51] <_Ubantu_Dude_> I would say 90% of them are
[03:51] <_Ubantu_Dude_> but anyway
[03:51] <MenZa> !staff | _Ubantu_Dude_ (K-line evasion)
[03:51] <_Ubantu_Dude_> si am I getting unbanned or what?
[03:51] <Amaranth> _Ubantu_Dude_: Nope
[03:51] <_Ubantu_Dude_> Aww why not?
[03:53] <_Ubantu_Dude_> you guys are no fun
[03:53] <_Ubantu_Dude_> its bed time anyway
[03:53] <_Ubantu_Dude_> have a good night!
[03:56] <MenZa> For the record, I notified jayne of his comments, Amaranth
[03:56] <MenZa> cdm10: Do you have any further?
[03:57] <cdm10> MenZa: er, about?
[03:57] <MenZa> cdm10: You tell me. :)
[03:57] <MenZa> cdm10: Please not our non-idling policy in the /topic
[03:57] <cdm10> MenZa: oh, sorry :)
[03:57] <MenZa> np :)
[05:53] <Flannel> wow, still going.
[06:16] <jussi01> !isitout
[06:18] <jussi01> !no, isitout is <reply>YES!!! its out! Please try to use a torrent or a mirror to get your downloads. Torrents can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ and support is in #ubuntu
[06:18] <jussi01> !isitout
[06:23] <MenZa> jussi01: so. many. exclamation. marks.
[06:23]  * MenZa cries for humanity
[06:23] <Tm_T> !!!!!!11
[06:23] <MenZa> lol
[06:23] <MenZa> !42
[06:24] <jussi01> MenZa: its for release party mostly, it needs them :P
[06:24] <MenZa> :D
[06:24] <MenZa> jussi01: Then I demand "YES!!11oneonecos(2b^(2y/3x^2))"
[06:24] <MenZa> If you're going to overdo it, overdo it properly!
[06:25] <jussi01> rofl
[06:26] <jussi01> thats probably my fault
[06:26] <jussi01> the mass join I mean.
[06:27] <jussi01> I just forwarded #ubuntu+1 to #ubuntu and cleared the channel.
[06:27] <jussi01> we will re-open it soon.
[06:30] <Flannel> !!!!!punctuation | MenZa
[06:30] <MenZa> :D
[06:30] <Flannel> MenZa: cos(2b^(2y/3x^2))?  intersting
[06:31] <MenZa> Rather.
[06:31] <Flannel> Interesting surface at any rate.
[06:31] <MenZa> Set it to = 0, then try to solve it.
[06:31] <MenZa> Provide solution.
[06:32] <Flannel> pi/4 = b^(2y/3x^2), ln(pi/4) = ln(b^(2y/3x^2)
[06:33] <mneptok> jussi01: did my e-mail make it to the list?
[06:33] <jussi01> mneptok: yes
[06:33] <mneptok> exmohlent
[06:35] <Flannel> MenZa: y = ln(pi/4)/ln(b) 3x^2
[06:35] <Flannel> booorrrinnggg
[06:38] <Flannel> math broke the servers :(
[06:38] <jussi01> haha
[06:38] <jussi01> ubot3`: isitout
[06:38] <ubot3`> No! It's not out yet! Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party, and be sure to read channel /topic!
[06:39]  * jussi01 sighs... mayb in a few mins...
[06:39]  * mneptok outs ubot3` 
[06:40] <Tm_T> jussi01: you didn't immune me (:
[06:41] <jussi01> Tm_T: theres is no immunity, unless you happen to be freenode staff :
[06:45] <Tm_T> jussi01: bah, then that's no fun
[06:46] <jussi01> hehe
[06:53] <Flannel> jussi01: You should've kicked ubottu first from +1
[06:53] <jussi01> Flannel: ?
[06:53] <Flannel> jussi01: bantracker is full of a bajillion removes from +1
[06:54] <jussi01> crap, thats a good point.
[06:54] <Flannel> (bajillion is a technical term, by the way)
[06:54] <jussi01> hehe
[06:55] <MenZa> dear lord, Flannel
[06:55] <Flannel> MenZa: I didn't do it!
[06:55] <Tm_T> 0853.22 < partyanimal3_> well some idiot guy posted his link with this name on facebook
[06:55] <Tm_T> sillyness
[06:56] <MenZa> Flannel: I meant the solution to my expression
[06:56] <MenZa> Christ dude.
[06:56] <Flannel> MenZa: Oh, what?
[06:56] <MenZa> Ku. Dos.
[06:56]  * MenZa is not a mathematician.
[06:56] <MenZa> now write it in latex!
[06:56]  * MenZa whips
[06:58] <Flannel> y &= \ln \frac{\frac{\pi{}}{4}}{\ln b} 3x^2
[06:58] <MenZa> y &= \cos\left(2b^{\frac{2y}{3x^2}--yeah.
[06:58] <MenZa> :P
[06:58] <MenZa> LaTeX is wonderful.
[06:58] <MenZa> And stop it, you're keeping me from doing work.
[06:58] <MenZa> Flannel: By the way, the database is coming along sexily.
[06:58] <Flannel> Awwww, how cute.  We both assume multiline equations :)
[06:58] <MenZa> Yes. :3
[06:58] <MenZa> align <3
[06:59] <Madpilot> speaking of numbers, did we ever break 2000 in #ubuntu?
[06:59] <MenZa> 1800-something, I believe was our max
[06:59] <Flannel> Madpilot: nope, 1865
[07:00]  * MenZa modifies supybot to fork repeatedly and join #ubuntu
[07:00] <jussi01> not bad tho
[07:00] <MenZa> not at all
[07:00] <Flannel> and -r-p peaked at 1177
[07:00]  * jussi01 forks MenZa
[07:00] <Madpilot> ya, that's the most I saw
[07:01] <Flannel> I don't remember what our peak was prior, I've only had chanpeak loaded for a release or two, I want to say dapper had a big #u
[07:01] <Madpilot> but I had lousy connectivity all afternoon, the landlady's awful router hates fast bittorrent connections and I was torrenting both ISOs...
[07:01] <Flannel> but, it mightve been 18 something
[07:01] <jussi01> oh, thats new....
[07:01] <jussi01> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/29/internet.domains.languages/index.html
[07:01] <Flannel> jussi01: great....
[07:02] <bazhang> installing a windows iso from within Ubuntu? possible/on topic ?
[07:04] <jussi01> hehe
[07:04] <jussi01> One question that has not yet been resolved, however, is how people in countries that use the Latin script will be able to access Web sites with Korean, Hindi or Arabic domain names. ICANN doesn't have an answer to that, but is confident a new technology will fill that gap soon.
[07:05] <Flannel> Yeah, we'll be going to domains that I don't know how to read, let alone pronounce.
[07:05] <Flannel> and we'll have g[random o-ish letter][random-oish letter]gle.com!
[07:05] <Flannel> phishing? what's that!
[07:05] <jussi01> göögle.com?
[07:05] <jussi01> :D
[07:06] <jussi01> I think I need to register that :D
[07:06] <Flannel> jussi01: Nah, they'll find things that look identical.  Although, goeoegle is interesting indeed.
[07:06] <Tm_T> gøøgle ?
[07:06] <mneptok> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
[07:06] <mneptok> bork bork bork!
[07:07] <jussi01> Flannel: funny thing is, göögle would be pronounced gurgleh :P
[07:07] <Flannel> Tm_T: My sister was once bitten by a moose!
[07:07] <Flannel> nø realli!
[07:08] <jussi01> löl
[07:08] <MenZa> win.
[07:08] <MenZa> gøøgle!
[07:10] <Tm_T> õöøöóò and what else...
[07:10] <jussi01> Tm_T: www.micrösöft.com
[07:10] <jussi01> www.yåhoo.com
[07:10] <jussi01> www.yähoo.com
[07:11] <jussi01> the list could go on forever
[07:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: å is o
[07:11] <jussi01> Tm_T: we are talking about looks, not actual sounds...
[07:11] <Tm_T> was about to say that (:
[07:12] <mneptok> Veelkomm tiw Miikrosuft! Zee niw Veenders Servin eez bin ryoolesed!
[07:13] <mneptok> BORK BORK BORK!
[07:13] <Flannel> bjork bjork bjork!
[07:13] <jussi01> mneptok: ...
[07:14] <mneptok> jussi01: *gasp* you don't know the Swedish Chef?!
[07:14] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=swedish+chef&search=Search
[07:15] <krummlauf> we can say whatever we want here huh
[07:15] <krummlauf> BORK BORK BORK BORK
[07:15] <krummlauf> EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhehehehehhehhehehhehhhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
[07:15] <bazhang> ?
[07:18] <mneptok> krummlauf: if you have no current business with the ops team, we ask you do not idle. please read the /topic
[07:21] <krummlauf> huh
[07:21] <krummlauf> i do
[07:21] <krummlauf> i do
[07:21] <mneptok> which is ...
[07:21] <krummlauf> oh
[07:21] <krummlauf> ikonioa
[07:22] <krummlauf> givin me probs
[07:22] <mneptok> idle     : 0 days 8 hours 9 mins 0 secs [signon: Wed Oct 28 15:07:48 2009]
[07:23] <mneptok> safe to assume you will not be speaking about it with him soon.
[07:23] <mneptok> you should /part and then /join later to see if he's active.
[07:25] <topyli> i'm all for unicode domains. motörhead can finally create an official website, and they totally deserve one
[07:26] <jussi01> topyli: hehe
[07:29] <mneptok> topyli: lånce ðis böil ön my fåce
[07:29] <topyli> höhöhö
[07:29] <mneptok> trå lå lå
[07:31] <jussi01> höh
[07:33] <Tm_T> kids...
[07:38] <mneptok> krummlauf: i have tried to be nice. please leave this channel until ikonia is active.
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <mneptok> dholbach: moin!
[07:43]  * mneptok heads to bed
[08:41] <jussi01_> !forget isitout-#ubuntu-release-party
[08:41] <jussi01_> @login
[08:41] <jussi01> @login
[08:41] <jussi01> !forget isitout-#ubuntu-release-party
[09:39] <Mamarok> can somebody have an eye on #kubuntu, please? I am hungry...
[09:46] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I'll try a moment, but not sure how long I can
[09:47] <Mamarok> Tm_T: mostly to prevent Jonathan aka eagles to tell silly stuff
[09:47] <Tm_T> roger
[10:00] <Tm_T> ok, I really cannot help I notice, being busy here with two ~1 year old kids
[11:12] <niko> what's wrong with floodbots ?
[11:15] <Tm_T> they are not flooding
[11:15] <Tm_T> bots, I mean
[14:36] <bratizPirate> 474 #ubuntu You're banned from that channel
[14:36] <bazhang> bratizPirate, yes that's right
[14:36] <bratizPirate> can b unbaned plz??
[14:36] <Pici> Why?
[14:36] <bratizPirate> only bcoz nathan 71 said he waned to shank me
[14:37] <bratizPirate> and then i said it for him
[14:37] <bratizPirate> sorry
[14:37] <Pici> What about the whole 'I leaked the iso to pirate bay' thing?
[14:37] <bratizPirate> i tought it was cool
[14:38] <Pici> bratizPirate: Even after being asked to stop and being removed from the channel?
[14:38] <Pici> bratizPirate: Please take a look at our channel guidelines:
[14:38] <Pici> !guidelines
[14:38] <bratizPirate> its because of what nathan said
[14:38] <bratizPirate> i wantd to provoke him
[14:38] <bratizPirate> but i wont doit again
[14:43] <bratizPirate> i think it was well rude that nathan cud say that and nothing happend to him but i got banned
[14:43] <bratizPirate> not nice to say some1 that u wanna shank them
[14:45] <Pici> bratizPirate: Both of you were asked to stop
[14:46] <bratizPirate> he did 2 times... <nathan71> <---- stab again bratiz
[14:46] <Pici> bratizPirate: What do you intend to do if you do get back into #ubuntu ?
[14:46] <bratizPirate> i wont say more that i leaked it in pir8 b8 and i wont say nothin to nathan
[14:47] <bratizPirate> only if he says somethign 2 me
[14:48] <Pici> bratizPirate: I mean, the channel is only for support questions and answers, is that why you want to be in there?
[14:49] <bratizPirate> yeah
[14:49] <bratizPirate> i cna changed nick into bratiz
[14:50] <bratiz> can i b unbanend plz?
[15:02] <Pici> bratiz: Did you take a look at the guidelines that ubottu posted above
[15:02] <Pici> (sorry, busy here at work too)
[15:03] <bratiz> yeap i readed it
[15:08] <Pici> bratiz: I've unbanned you, if you continue the same behavior from before you will find yourself outside the channel and we won't be so lenient the next time.
[15:09] <bratiz> ok thanx
[15:51] <mneptok> uhhhh .... "pirate bait?"
[16:23] <bazhang> gburton, how may we assist you
[16:23] <gburton> ahh, i was just curious. i shall exit the channel now...
 how can i get cd key for ubuntu PRo?
[17:00] <erUSUL> hi there; grub2 is confusing many people... has someone an idea or webpage for a quick factoid?
[17:01] <Pici> !grub2
[17:01] <bazhang> the wiki looks pretty solid
[17:02] <erUSUL> oops did not know about that factoid
[17:02]  * erUSUL should have checked
[17:02] <bazhang> heh
[17:03] <bazhang> I'm not getting into trouble over this one :)
[17:03] <erUSUL> ciao
[18:31] <Mamarok> ok, off for tonight, somebody should watch #k, lot of people in there right now
[18:33] <joaopinto> can someone ban derek_smart ? he is been trolling #ubuntu for quite some time
[18:33] <Amaranth> joaopinto: He doesn't seem to be obviously doing anything wrong
[18:34] <Amaranth> I'd say he is probably a troll but until he actually does something...
[18:34] <joaopinto> Amaranth, did you read the part where h called jerks to those which explained that Karmic Koala is a release name ?
[18:34] <joaopinto> he
 im trying to help people and this big jerk keeps attacking me
[18:35] <joaopinto> because he is insting that Karmic and Koala are different versions on trolish manners
[18:46] <Take0n> I can't join #ubuntu and I don't know why :\
[18:46] <Take0n> I got disconnected and after that I was unable to join..
[18:47] <Amaranth> Take0n: checking
[18:48] <Take0n> I got disconnected with read error 54 I think..
[18:48] <Take0n> and now I get redirected to ubuntu-read-topic
[18:49] <Amaranth> ah, exploit
[18:49] <Amaranth> did you read the topic?
[18:49] <Take0n> yeah
[18:50] <Take0n> the thing is.. I don't have any router etc :\
[18:50] <Amaranth> your modem counts
[18:50] <Take0n> and what kind of exploit? where? and from who?
[18:50] <Take0n> I have no modem either :P
[18:50] <Take0n> and from nowhere?
[18:51] <Amaranth> !exploit
[18:51] <Amaranth> Take0n: did you type "test me" in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[18:51] <Take0n> yes
[18:51] <Take0n> and I got disconnected :\
[18:52] <Amaranth> ok, so you need to change what port you connect to
[18:52] <Take0n> you mean 6667?
[18:52] <Amaranth> you need to connect to freenode on port 8001
[18:52] <Amaranth> then type "test me" in #ubuntu-read-topic again and it'll unban you automatically
[18:53] <Take0n> but I want to understand why..
[18:53] <Amaranth> Take0n: How do you connect to the internet?
[18:53] <th1> can we have derek_smart banned pls? he is trolling in a very disruptive, persistent and annoying way
[18:53] <joaopinto> th1, I already warned about that, Amaranth does not agree
[18:54] <th1> ok..
[18:54] <th1> just wanted to point it out ;) keep an eye on him
[18:54] <Take0n> I live in sweden and they recently installed fiberoptic I think they are called.. internet connections so every house in stockholm (or most of the houses) have jacks (are they called jacks? connectors or something) on the wall so I plug the ethernet cable on the wall and then on my computer
[18:55] <Amaranth> Take0n: Ok, did they put a box in your basement or outside the house or something?
[18:55] <Take0n> There is a box on our appartment but I don't use routers etc.. I don't know if they have builtin router to give internet to every room
[18:55] <Amaranth> Ok, that's it then
[18:55] <Amaranth> The apartment building has a router, it has the bug
[18:55] <Take0n> There are 2 Ext ports.. I am connecting through the first Ext1 (no router) the rest of the house are connected to a router which is connected on Ext2
[18:56] <Take0n> and that router is a netgear
[18:56] <Amaranth> Look, somewhere between you and your ISP there is a router with exploitable firmware
[18:56] <Take0n> so I should contact my ISP providere
[18:56] <Take0n> and tell them about this?
[18:56] <Take0n> provider*
[18:56] <Amaranth> The fact that you get disconnected with this exploit is all the proof you need
[18:56] <Amaranth> Sure, maybe they can patch the firmware
[18:56] <Amaranth> But for now you need to connect to freenode on port 8001 to get back into #ubuntu
[18:56] <Take0n> do you know the command to get me disconnected?
[18:57] <Amaranth> I do
[18:57] <Take0n> I want to try it to be sure..
[18:57] <Take0n> could you try it on me?
[18:57] <Amaranth> Using it will probably get me klined
[18:57] <Amaranth> just have the bots test you
[18:57] <Take0n> how? if I type test me will it test it?
[19:02] <Take0n> Amaranth, thanks :)
[19:02] <Take0n> I will call them on monday to let them know
[19:02] <Amaranth> Alright, cool
[19:02] <Take0n> bye bye :)
[19:02] <Amaranth> If the ISP fixes it your neighbors won't have to worry about it :)
[19:06] <wsch> can someone talk to derek_smart ?
[19:06] <wsch> in #ubuntu
[19:06] <wsch> hes getting kindof annoying
[19:07] <Amaranth> Done
[19:07] <wsch> thank you
[19:21] <derek_smart> request to unban me plz
[19:23] <derek_smart> Amaranth: who banned me
[19:31] <Amaranth> derek_smart: You were generally disruptive and somewhat offtopic and you were told about it a couple times
[19:31] <Amaranth> You seem to not understand how #ubuntu works
[19:33] <derek_smart> no i was making sure they understood swap some dude was saying that it should be small but its not true
[19:33] <derek_smart> if they follow advice then hibernation doesnt work
[19:33] <derek_smart> akin to rm -rf /
[19:33] <Amaranth> ...
[19:33] <derek_smart> check the logs
[19:33] <Amaranth> 1) No, not true
[19:33] <derek_smart> im not lying and i know u can check the logs
[19:33] <Amaranth> 2) Never put that command in an IRC channel
[19:33] <derek_smart> lol?
[19:33] <Amaranth> You kept telling me about rendering hurd
[19:33] <derek_smart> example
[19:34] <derek_smart> yes i admit that is ot
[19:34] <derek_smart> i have sources for the swap thing... kernel.org... if you want to ban until i get them thats ok
[19:34] <derek_smart> ur call
[19:34] <Amaranth> Essentially whenever I asked you to settle down you gave me a snarky reply
[19:34] <derek_smart> if you explicitely said hey swap doesnt work that way, then yes, i did
[19:35] <derek_smart> because i had to for the benefit of the users
[19:35] <derek_smart> again pointless without my sources
[19:35] <derek_smart> you tell me
[19:35] <Amaranth> derek_smart: It depends on RAM usage
[19:35] <derek_smart> and whats the idea
[19:35] <derek_smart> hey dont max out your ram because i suggested that swap should be xyz?
[19:35] <Amaranth> Hibernating drops all disk caches before writing RAM out to disk
[19:35] <derek_smart> ram can be maxed out and the caches get paged out
[19:36] <Amaranth> So right now I've got 2GB of RAM but would only need 768MB or so swap to hibernate
[19:36] <derek_smart> whats more complicated
[19:36] <Amaranth> Sure, it can be
[19:36] <derek_smart> micromanaging ram for a new ubuntu user or hey, be safe, swap=ram or more...
[19:36] <Amaranth> But it's not absolutely correct that swap needs to equal RAM for hibernate to work and this is what they were trying to tell you
[19:37] <derek_smart> Amaranth: its the safest assumption because even implying that a common ubuntu user should be keeping tabs on their ram in order to properly hibernate is rediculous
[19:37] <Amaranth> But I've had several people ask to have you removed from the channel for being disruptive so I'm not sure I want to let you back in right now
[19:37] <derek_smart> if by being disruptive you mean talking about basic kernel behaviour then yea i was... i guess you dont want to read the log
[19:37] <derek_smart> i was literaly explaining that
[19:37] <Amaranth> I was in the channel at the time
[19:38] <derek_smart> yes the odd hurd mention
[19:38] <derek_smart> doesnt warrant a ban tbh
[19:38] <derek_smart> i just wanna help out the community and i am PASSIONATE about it
[19:38] <derek_smart> PASSIONATE
[19:38] <Amaranth> You were talking about koala and karmic and a laptop specific install and how this was all hurd and you were rendering it and on and on
[19:38] <Amaranth> Perhaps dial the passion down just a little and come back in 24 hours
[19:39] <derek_smart> i was confused about the release system usually distros say stuff like 9.10 or whatever
[19:39] <derek_smart> 24 hours jesus christ
[19:39] <derek_smart> i jay walked and youre treating it like 3rd degree murder man
[19:40] <Amaranth> You don't seem to understand the reason you were banned
[19:40] <derek_smart> i do it was the hurd
[19:40] <Amaranth> It doesn't matter if you were right, wrong, etc
[19:40] <Amaranth> You were disruptive
[19:40] <Amaranth> No, that was just the cherry on top
[19:41] <derek_smart> it does because my advice, even while disruptive, kept some people from potentionally screwing hibernation
[19:41] <derek_smart> sometimes you gotta prioritize
[20:16] <ikonia> derek_smart: do you need anything else as it's been 20 minutes since the conversation ended
[20:20] <ikonia> derek_smart: I can see you active in #gentoo and fedora can you please respond
[20:22] <derek_smart> what
[20:23] <derek_smart> im not banned anymore or what
[20:23] <ikonia> ahhh thank you for responding
[20:23] <ikonia> I believe you've been told to come back in 24 hours
[20:23] <derek_smart> oh
[21:06] <MenZa> ooh, elky day!
[21:44] <Seeker`> is there an "elky day" now?
[22:29] <th1> hey
[22:29] <th1> ubottu seems to be dead
[22:30] <ikonia> !ping
[22:30] <ikonia> certainly responding slow
[22:30] <th1> he didn't respond at all for several triggers in #u and pm
[22:30] <ikonia> odd, if the host is having a problem she normally dies
[22:31] <Seeker`> it usually either recovers by itself or dies totally
[22:31] <th1> he's not even responding to ctcp ping
[22:31] <th1> must be link-dead
[22:31] <th1> or crashed
[22:32] <Seeker`> if something is going slowly, prodding it even more won't help it recover any faster
[22:32] <th1> usually a ctcp ping can be dealt with in a couple of ms ;)
[22:32] <th1> even for perl
[22:32] <jpds> It's python.
[22:33] <Seeker`> th1: still, prodding it more won't help
[22:33] <th1> ok he's working again :)
[22:33] <th1> thanks and see you later
[22:38] <Bodsda> Assistance in #ubuntu please
[22:38] <Bodsda> lenswipe|server is spamming the channel
[22:38] <jpds> Watching.
[22:39] <Bodsda> cheers jpds -- for your info. He has spammed several lines of ascii text images twice now
[22:39] <jpds> Bodsda: He will be no more of a nuisance to you.
[22:40] <Bodsda> thanks jpds, I appreciate it
[22:40] <jpds> ;)
[22:45] <Seeker`> heya elky
[22:45] <Seeker`> how are you doing?
[22:47] <elky_e71> pouting about being in hospital on my birthday
[22:47] <Flannel> elky_e71: Could be worse!
[22:48] <elky_e71> ?
[22:58] <bazhang> Happy Birthday elky_e71 !!
[22:58] <bazhang> we missed your presence at the release party
[23:01] <ikonia> happy birthday elky_e71 - I'm sorry you're suffering in Hospital for it
[23:26] <elky_e71> just asked how much longer... nobody knows. graaaaaaaagh
[23:27] <bazhang> hope you get well asap elky_e71
[23:30] <MenZa> Such a bad troll. :[---wait, elky_e71 is in hospital?!
[23:31]  * MenZa rushes to blog, twitter, and facebook
[23:31] <bazhang> MenZa, yep
[23:31] <MenZa> What's she done now?!
[23:31] <elky_e71> as far as i am concerned, i am well. These morons just have no chain of communication going on
[23:32]  * MenZa hugs elky_e71 
[23:32] <jpds> wombles got -devel too.
[23:34] <bazhang> jpds, thanks have him in PM
[23:35] <bazhang> now in -ot
[23:37] <elky_e71> menza infectetd tooth
[23:40] <jpds> wut
[23:41] <Flannel> sigh
[23:41] <Flannel> last time I trust ZachK's judgement
[23:41] <bazhang> he was muted and in PM..
[23:42] <Flannel> Mmmm, it was a mute not a ban.
[23:42] <Flannel> I know I'd need a +b go up
[23:51] <Flannel> seen even, not need.
[23:51] <bazhang> hehe