[00:06] <A-KO> What would cause apache to suddenly spike in memory usage and then crash the server?
[00:07] <A-KO> it goes from < 100MB of total system memory usage to > 300MB, chews up swap, then bombs
[00:07] <A-KO> wordpress-based sites, only one of them seems to cause the problem.
[00:10] <ruben23> i installed vsftpd, Public accessible ftp site is located what directory..?
[00:34] <qman__> ruben23, I'm not sure where the default location is, though it's probably specified in the config
[00:35] <jMCg> 218 only here. Wow.
[00:35] <qman__> my guess would be somewhare in /var
[00:35] <jMCg> So, can someone please pastebin me an ldd output of ldapsearch ?
[00:36] <qman__> I would but I don't have an ldap server
[00:37] <jMCg> qman__: one doesn't need an ldapserver, to have/need/use ldap-utils
[00:37] <qman__> well, I don't have/need/use ldap-utils either
[00:38] <jMCg> I was much hoping someone here does/is/blah.
[00:38] <jMCg> Alternatively, I could take a look at the package dependencies in the repos.
[00:39] <qman__> there are probably plenty who do, but this is generally a pretty slow channel
[00:39] <qman__> might take a while to get a response
[00:39] <jMCg> Shit.
[00:40] <jMCg> libgnutls26 (>= 2.7.14-0)
[00:40] <jMCg> I was hoping it Ubuntu was not on the same GNU/Fascism wave as Debian.
[00:41] <jMCg> This is the 4th package in a week I'm rebuilding because the gnutls bindings don't have the capabilities I need.
[00:41] <qman__> I don't really understand what's wrong with using openssl, but if it means an alternative gets good, then I'm fine with it
[00:41] <qman__> ah
[00:41] <qman__> I think the only time it would affect me is with my openvpn server
[00:42] <qman__> that's on hardy though
[00:42] <jMCg> I mean, of course it's documented: ldap.conf(5) TLS_CACERTDIR <path> Specifies the path of a directory that contains  Certificate  Authority  certificates  in  separate  individual  files.  The  TLS_CACERT is always used before TLS_CACERTDIR.  This parameter is ignored with GNUtls.
[00:43] <qman__> hopefully the issues are worked out for lucid
[00:43] <qman__> I'd hate to upgrade to the next LTS and have my VPN break
[00:44] <Jad_> anybody knows what apps utilize ubuntu cloud feature?
[00:44] <jMCg> qman__: sure, are you going to help bring all GPL/BSD/APL license wars to peace?
[00:44] <jMCg> Jad_: lsof -i ;)
[00:45] <qman__> heh, I don't know what the big deal is between them
[00:45] <qman__> sure they're different, and choosing your favorite is one thing
[00:46] <qman__> but I don't see why using software from the different ones is a problem
[00:46] <qman__> it's all free, it's all open, it's all good software
[00:46] <jMCg> I don't give TWO FUCKS ABOUT THE LICENSE. I just like good software. And I like good code. And I like both together best.
[00:46] <Jad_> you mean i type lsof -i in ubuntu to get the apps? i haven't installed it yet
[00:47] <jMCg> Jad_: apt-cache show lsof , google://lsof
[00:48] <jMCg> It was a geek ``joke'', you didn't get it. Now read up.
[00:48] <qman__> that would only tell you what programs are using files over the internet
[00:48] <qman__> cloud computing seems to be the latest trendy buzz word
[00:49] <qman__> we used to call it clustering
[00:49] <qman__> and you didn't bother unless you had an application in mind that you specifically wanted to cluster
[00:50] <jMCg> qman__: cloud is more than clustering. It's third party, virtualization, with optional ($$$$) clustering. The third party part is important. You give it to the ``cloud'' -- to someone else to take care of it, to someone else to blame (for $$$$).
[00:50] <qman__> sort of how virtualization became a trendy buzz word a couple years ago
[00:51] <qman__> oh yes, I understand how it's different
[00:51] <qman__> just saying, it's really not all that different
[00:51] <qman__> clustering made easy
[00:51] <Jad_> yes i appreciate the joke but i wasn't kidding. especially since i'm practially new to ubuntu
[00:51] <jMCg> Jad_: and I don't even use it!
[00:52] <Jad_> you don't use ubuntu?
[00:52] <Jad_> whats this crap heh
[00:52] <Jad_> lets stay serious
[00:54] <qman__> Jad_, cloud computing is basically just combining a bunch of servers into one giant computing resource, where you create virtual machines or applications to run on that resource
[00:54] <jMCg> Jad_: I came here to ask some info about a package. Stayed for the good coffee.
[00:54] <Jad_> :)
[00:54] <qman__> so, instead of saying "what can I do on a cloud", you should be saying "what do I need to do"
[00:55] <jMCg> And then think about how to do it cheaper and more realiable.
[00:55] <qman__> and once you figure that out, determine if it's economical or beneficial to do it on a cloud
[00:55] <jMCg> And a cloud is just one of the options.
[00:56] <Jad_> yea i understand i was just thinking it might be like windows azure
[00:56] <jMCg> qman__: not quite. Right now the hosting I'm doing is a lot cheaper with a couple of leased root servers (all running a couple of Xen DomUs) than doing it with Amazon (as an example).
[00:56] <Jad_> but it seems more like vmware vsphere
[00:56] <jMCg> Jad_: Windows Azure is not so much a cloud, as it is a pipe (smoke) dream.
[00:57] <qman__> I don't know anything about windows azure
[00:57] <qman__> or vmware vsphere, for that matter
[00:58] <Jad_> i understand what clouding is, the thing is its different among different vendors. in windows azure it lets a developer distribute bunch of processes/resources on different servers
[00:58] <Jad_> but azure is only hosted by MS
[00:59] <qman__> I run all my stuff on actual hardware
[00:59] <qman__> nothing against virtualization, it just doesn't benefit me
[00:59] <Jad_> midori seems to be like a cloud but actually a grid compututing system perhaps
[00:59] <Jad_> yea qman its better to have it local
[00:59] <qman__> Jad_, the ubuntu cloud computing is the same type of system as amazon ec2
[01:00] <qman__> or at least it can be configured that way
[01:00] <jMCg> \o/
[01:00] <qman__> you can move machines to and from amazon and your ubuntu cloud
[01:01] <jMCg> Success. Recompiling ldap stuff, and suddenly I can actually verify my connection to all my servers.
[01:01] <Jad_> so you mean the OS can be run on several hardwares at once?
[01:01] <Jad_> maybe different processes run on different cases
[01:01] <Jad_> like grid computing
[01:01] <qman__> well, that's how a cloud works
[01:02] <qman__> it shares the load among all the hardware in the cloud
[01:02] <jMCg> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1017001 some more infos...
[01:02] <qman__> in one giant environment
[01:02] <ruben23> how do i check my free remaining space on ubuntu-server
[01:02] <qman__> ruben23, hard drive space, df
[01:02] <qman__> I usually do df -Thx tmpfs
[01:03] <Jad_> ok thanks, yea thats what i was thinking. vmware cloud OS uses another definition for the cloud thats why several vendors use different meanings.
[01:04] <Jad_> good thing that ubuntu you can have unlike azure
[01:04] <ruben23> qman__: teh un partion part of my HDD
[01:04] <ruben23> qman__: the unpartion part of my HDD
[01:04] <jMCg> fdisk?
[01:05] <jMCg> cfdisk for more comfort.
[01:05] <Jad_> vmware's cloud is more like a bunch of vm's btw
[01:16] <ruben23> hi i did lvextend on my existing logical on a volume group, after that i check df -h nothing happend to my /var/
[01:16] <Jad_> *low level software that handles bunch of vms, more than 200 OSes
[01:18] <netrat> ruben23: what filesystem are you using?
[01:18] <netrat> ruben23: you've expanded the volume, but you have to let the filesystem know of the change
[01:19] <ruben23> netrat: how to do that..?
[01:19] <Jad_> is there a 32bit ubuntu server btw?
[01:19] <ruben23> the logical/volume group is monuted on /var/
[01:19] <ruben23> do i have to unmount it first..?
[01:20] <netrat> ruben23: is it an ext3 filesystem?
[01:20] <netrat> Jad_: yes there is a 32bit server
[01:20] <ruben23> netrat: how do i check..?
[01:21] <netrat> ruben23: run the mount command
[01:21] <Jad_> oh nevermind, found it, thanks
[01:22] <netrat> ruben23: give me the mount information for /var, for example /dev/mapper/vg0-root on / type ext3
[01:22] <ruben23> /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01
[01:22] <ruben23>                       1.9G  1.5G  313M  83% /var
[01:23] <netrat> ruben23: do you see a filesystem type? ext3, xfs, etc...
[01:23] <ruben23>  netrat: no i cant see it
[01:24] <netrat> ruben23: type the following command, mount
[01:25] <netrat> ruben23: then you should see the filesystem type
[01:25] <ruben23> /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01 on /var type ext3 (rw)
[01:25] <Jad_> oh these shell stuff seem complicated. hope there's easy UI for these stuff
[01:26] <netrat> ruben23: okay that's good, ext3 supports online resizing. run the following command, resize2fs /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01
[01:26] <ruben23>  netrat: but /var/ is already mounted
[01:27] <netrat> ruben23: ext3 supports online resizing, meaning you can resize it while it's mounted
[01:28] <Jad_> do you have to learn these commands to use ubuntu server? i remember the linux book was pretty big :) . maybe though ubuntu is easier
[01:28] <ruben23> netrat: how about this scenario, ill be having a directory /var/ftp---> can i resize my ftp directory only...
[01:28] <netrat> ruben23: is the filesystem mounted on /var or /var/ftp?
[01:29] <netrat> ruben23: if the filesystem is mount /var then you'll have to make a new lv and ext3 filesystem then transfer everything over and mount it on /var/ftp
[01:30] <ruben23> ok ill do the second options you give
[01:30] <ruben23> ftp is not yet made, im just going to create the ftp directory
[01:31] <Jad_> maybe just use alcohol120% for mounting on ubuntu? or not possible?
[01:31] <netrat> ruben23: have you already resized the /var logical volume? if so you have wasted space and eventually you'll have to resize the filesystem
[01:31] <Jad_> like mount CDs?
[01:31] <netrat> Jad_: what are you talking about using alcohol120$? isn't that a windows program? ;-)
[01:31] <ruben23> netrat: can i revert it back..?
[01:32] <jdstrand> qman__: didn't read the whole backscroll, and while I of course agree that clouds are a security risk, we have mitigated that quite a bit when using libvirt in karmic. it will launch machines with their own individual profiles so they are isolated from each other as well as protecting the host from user space attacks. hypervisor/kernel level exploits are of course not protected
[01:32] <Jad_> maybe it has a linux vers too
[01:32] <Jad_> havn't checked
[01:32] <netrat> ruben23: that shouldn't be a problem
[01:32] <Jad_> or emulating :)
[01:33] <netrat> Jad_: we are talking about mounting and resizing filesystem/logical volumes. alcohol120 is used to mount CD images
[01:33] <ruben23> netrat: im just focus on resizing ftp directory cause ill be copying large file on that directory
[01:34] <jdstrand> qman__: I should rephrase... 'clouds *can be* a security risk
[01:34] <ruben23> netrat: how would we do the revertion..?
[01:34] <jdstrand> '
[01:34] <Jad_> oh mounting filesystems. havn't used that ina  long time :)
[01:34] <Jad_> i guess i should check back my old linux book :)
[01:35] <netrat> ruben23: use lvextend and lvreduce to resize LVs
[01:36] <jdstrand> qman__: it all depends on what you are doing, who has access (just like with a real cluster of machines). obviously hypervisor bugs and kernel exploits are an attractive target, and you get more bang for your buck with one hypervisor bug as opposed to compromising a single machine
[01:36] <netrat> lvextend -L+5G or lvreduce-L-5G
[01:36] <jdstrand> qman__: but the point remains-- many of these issues are mitigated in 9.10 through the apparmor security driver in libvirt
[01:36] <jdstrand> s/these/the/
[01:39] <netrat> Jad_: are you in libya?
[01:39] <Jad_> no, why :)
[01:40] <Jad_> its close though
[01:40] <Jad_> beirut
[01:40] <netrat> oh Lebanon
[01:41] <Jad_> was using redhat back in 2002. ubuntu seems the most popular these days. perhaps will switch my hosting to a ubuntu server
[01:42] <Jad_> the only command i remember is ln sym? symbolic link hehe
[01:42] <netrat> Jad_: yes i used redhat too.. CentOS is basically the community version of redhat, but i prefer ubuntu
[01:42] <Jad_> ok
[01:44] <Jad_> will have to keep a win hosting for aspx and mssql thou
[02:25] <doug__> I just did a fresh install of ubuntu-9.10-server-i386 on a test system.  I went to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file to add a boot option and the file wasn't there.  Did the latest version of ubuntu-server switch to a different boot loader that grub2?
[02:29] <qman__> 9.10 uses grub 2 on new installs
[02:30] <qman__> all previous versions used grub 1
[02:31] <doug__> qman:  That's what I thought and read on the ubuntu site, but shouldn't there be a menu.lst file then?
[02:52] <ruben23> hi nayone can help i have installed pxe server it work, problem only is the process how it copies the file on my os distro, im doing it by ftp but it didnt work, NFS and http are option but how to do it..
[03:04] <jmarsden> ruben23: See if the info about using Kickstart at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer helps you?
[03:33] <axisys> w/ apticron running when should i expect the upgrade available email?
[03:35] <axisys> my apticron runs at 12:44 daily and its 23:55 .. have not received an alert
[03:36] <axisys> /etc/motd is not saying anything either .. it runs every 10 mins
[03:38] <axisys> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades shows Prompt=normal
[03:55] <twb> Isn't apticron obsoleted by /etc/cron.daily/apt ?
[04:56] <ruben23> hi any help setting pxe server
[05:03] <twb> ruben23: install dnsmasq
[05:11] <ruben23> twb: ihave dhcpd already installed
[05:11] <twb> dhcpd is not a TFTP server.  dnsmasq is.
[05:12] <twb> But if you want to use tftpd-hpa instead, go ahead.
[05:13] <ruben23> twb actually i can boot to my pxe server and start the initial install of the OS, problem is during the copying of ciles it cant locate, what id copy the image file
[05:13] <ruben23> ive tried
[05:13] <ruben23> ftp
[05:13] <ruben23> and httpd
[05:14] <ruben23> same thing
[05:14] <ruben23> it ask for cdrom
[05:14] <ruben23> during the installation
[05:14] <twb> ruben23: that's because you're booting the wrong initrd
[05:15] <twb> ruben23: which release are you trying to bootstrap, 8.04?
[05:15] <ruben23> yes
[05:15] <twb> One moment
[05:16] <ruben23> im doing the initrd.gz
[05:17] <twb> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux
[05:17] <twb> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz
[05:17] <twb> You want to use those two, not the hd-media or cdrom images.
[05:21] <ruben23> twb: this will i used to the config
[05:21] <ruben23> how about the process of my image
[05:21] <ruben23> how it will copy
[05:22] <ruben23> twb: thanks for this
[05:23] <twb> ruben23: eh?
[05:23] <twb> I don't understand the question
[05:23] <twb> Incidentally, I seem to recall a recent package that will help set up a netboot install server...
[05:23] <ruben23> twb: i mean i used that file on my pxe config..
[05:23] <StrangeCharm> can a thin client with no hdd boot ubuntu over ethernet from a server?
[05:24] <ruben23> then may image ubuntu, how do i copy it to be used by pxe.
[05:24] <twb> StrangeCharm: yes.
[05:24] <twb> StrangeCharm: I sell systems that do this for an entire network
[05:24] <twb> ruben23: I still don't understand.
[05:24] <ruben23> twb: huhuhu
[05:25] <StrangeCharm> is there an app in the default repo for the server end of this?
[05:25] <qman__> StrangeCharm, you can set it up using the alternate install disc
[05:25] <qman__> it's an automagic type option
[05:26] <qman__> or you can do it manually
[05:26] <twb> StrangeCharm: ltsp5
[05:26] <StrangeCharm> qman__, the server already does other things. i'm not reainstalling the OS.
[05:27] <qman__> trouble with doing it manually is there's quite a bit to set up
[05:27] <ruben23> twb what i do next
[05:27] <qman__> unless they've improved it since I last did it
[05:28] <twb> netboot-assistant, that's the package
[05:28] <twb> It basically does everything for you, IIRC
[05:28] <qman__> nice
[05:28] <qman__> that didn't exist when I did it
[05:28] <StrangeCharm> twb, so, i install the netboot package, and the client can just go from there?
[05:28] <qman__> had to do the DHCP and everything manually
[05:28] <twb> Sorry, di-netboot-assistant
[05:29] <twb> It will fetch the d-i netboot kernels and ramdisks and set up a pxelinux menu and everything
[05:29] <twb> I don't know if it's available in Ubuntu yet, of course...
[05:29] <StrangeCharm> sweet
[05:30] <StrangeCharm> well, that's the fun part
[05:48] <StrangeCharm> problem. on a fresh 9.10 install, with several crypted lvm disks, entering the first passphrase at boot goes ok, when prompted for the second, a bunch of messages appear before the phrase can be entered
[05:55] <supermatthew> so i just bought a vps, i am mildly experinced with ubuntu, but not a security expert, best tips for keeping it secure?
[05:56] <supermatthew> other than strong passwords and not handing out ssh accounts like there candy
[05:56] <qman__> supermatthew, make sure no users have shells that shouldn't ever log on
[05:57] <qman__> and use encrypted protocols
[05:57] <supermatthew> https
[05:57] <supermatthew> atm im not handing out access to it
[05:57] <qman__> http isn't a big deal unless you're logging in
[05:57] <qman__> I meant email, shell access, file access
[05:57] <supermatthew> i setup ispconfig cause i hate messing with files
[05:58] <qman__> use pop3s/imaps, scp/sftp/sshfs, etc
[05:58] <qman__> don't use ftp, telnet, etc
[05:58] <supermatthew> i don't even have a telnet client :p
[05:58] <qman__> you probably do
[05:58] <supermatthew> windows 7
[05:58] <supermatthew> no preinstalled telnet client
[05:58] <supermatthew> wait putty has a telnet client
[05:58] <supermatthew> nvm
[05:59] <qman__> in any case
[05:59] <qman__> go through /etc/password and if anything has a real shell that shouldn't, like built in accounts, change it to /sbin/nologin or /bin/false
[05:59] <qman__> err
[05:59] <qman__> /etc/passwd
[05:59] <kblin> supermatthew: you're running ssh, right?
[05:59] <qman__> the only ones that should have real shells are root and any user accounts you create
[06:00] <supermatthew> yeah
[06:01] <qman__> ubuntu is pretty well secured by default
[06:01] <kblin> supermatthew: install something like denyhosts
[06:01] <qman__> oh, change the sshd config,   PermitRootLogins No
[06:01] <qman__> unless you need that
[06:02] <supermatthew> well the default vps image has root enabled
[06:02] <supermatthew> :p
[06:02] <qman__> right
[06:02] <qman__> which is why you should prevent root from logging in through ssh
[06:02] <qman__> log in through an unprivileged user, then su to root if you need it
[06:03] <supermatthew> k
[06:03] <kblin> and I'd switch to public/pricate key auth over ssh
[06:04] <supermatthew> i guess what i should really worry about is the windows server sitting at my feet :p
[06:05] <supermatthew> but thats behind my DSL nat, so not really worried
[06:05] <qman__> a default install is pretty secure, so you only really need to secure anything you install on top of it
[06:05] <qman__> or in this case, anything your VPS company did to it
[06:06] <qman__> also, a good firewall is quite valuable
[06:07]  * kblin shrugs
[06:07] <qman__> you can mitigate brute force attacks and prevent any connections to anything you aren't intentionally running
[06:07] <supermatthew> won't fail2ban help with the brudeforce attacks
[06:07] <kblin> on a server at a hoster, I usually go for "if I don't want to run the service, the port is closed"
[06:08] <supermatthew> of course closing ports is a good isea
[06:08] <qman__> I don't use fail2ban, I just use iptables with the recent module
[06:08] <qman__> brute forcers can only get about 20 failed logins done in a day
[06:09] <qman__> which is nowhere near fast enough to actually crack an account
[06:09] <qman__> if they were smart they could get more in, but they're not
[06:10] <qman__> they're just spamming attempts
[06:10] <supermatthew> its probably just bots
[06:10] <qman__> yeah
[06:10] <qman__> of course my shell server's down right now
[06:10] <qman__> video card died a couple days ago
[06:11] <qman__> waiting on a replacement
[06:11] <supermatthew> i used to run filezilla server on my desktop a couple years ago to let a friend quickly upload and download files(we moved to an svn solution later)
[06:12] <supermatthew> and i could watch as 1-2 IPs a day tried to brude force the admin password
[06:12] <qman__> yeah
[06:12] <supermatthew> though the admin account didn't exsist :p
[06:12] <qman__> I usually get about 5-10 separate brute forcers trying my shell server
[06:12] <qman__> per week
[06:13] <qman__> and it's always root, admin, mysql, etc...
[06:13] <qman__> none of which can log in
[06:13] <supermatthew> passwords to always try first if you want into a system: password admin root 123456 12345
[06:13]  * kblin shrugs
[06:14] <kblin> I'm using denyhosts with the public database of known offenders
[06:14] <qman__> that's a bit too resource intensive for my 200MHz shell server ;)
[06:14] <qman__> iptables gets it done
[06:15] <supermatthew> might i ask what exactly your server does :p
[06:15] <kblin> supermatthew: most my servers have "secret" as admin password :)
[06:15] <qman__> I've got several, that one is for ssh and web
[06:15] <qman__> it's the oldest and slowest
[06:16] <supermatthew> i used to use test test as a login/password for various things
[06:16] <qman__> making it perfect for ssh, since it can only handle 3-4 simultaneous ssh connections
[06:16] <kblin> then again, those are virtual machines for testing and stuff, they're never on a public network
[06:16] <supermatthew> then i used it on a friends game and he mad at me :p
[06:16] <supermatthew> it was a public game
[06:17] <qman__> and any box could serve my static HTML pages and pictures at the 40k/s my net connection can handle
[06:17] <supermatthew> test test had full admin rights
[06:17] <supermatthew> i had fun then loged off and told him to change that password
[06:18] <qman__> I also used to run ftp and an eggdrop on that machine
[06:19] <supermatthew> :( i have a gbps port on both of my desktops, why can't i get a fiber cable for cheap
[06:19] <supermatthew> i watched as they put down a couple hundred strands infront of my apartment
[06:19]  * kblin goes back to try and find what's causing data corruption on his file server
[06:20] <qman__> why would you want fiber
[06:20] <qman__> cat6 is cheaper and easier to work with
[06:20] <supermatthew> fiber as in from this apartment to a datacenter
[06:20] <StrangeCharm> qman__, isn't it ironic that your shell server is down because of video card problems?
[06:20] <qman__> ah
[06:20] <qman__> StrangeCharm, yes, it is
[06:20] <qman__> it won't boot without one
[06:20] <qman__> and it doesn't have an AGP slot
[06:20] <supermatthew> or some other place
[06:21] <qman__> so I had to order up a PCI replacement
[06:21] <supermatthew> theres only 1 hop between my isps network and the datacenter my vps is on
[06:21] <StrangeCharm> qman__, i'm so young, i've never seen an agp slot in real life
[06:21] <kblin> ?
[06:21] <kblin> wow
[06:21] <supermatthew> O.o
[06:21] <qman__> hah
[06:21] <kblin> so let me tell you about running stuff on ISA slots :)
[06:21] <qman__> this machine predates AGP
[06:21] <qman__> it only has PCI and ISA
[06:21] <supermatthew> i have an ISA card in my closet
[06:21] <supermatthew> sound card
[06:22] <supermatthew> quite usless to me
[06:22] <qman__> economically, fixing it is a poor decision
[06:22] <qman__> but it has sentimental value
[06:22] <StrangeCharm> qman__, also, fiber has much higher max speeds than cat6. it is better as a long-term investment
[06:23] <supermatthew> fiber can go for miles
[06:23] <qman__> StrangeCharm, there are specs for 10g over cat6
[06:23] <supermatthew> cat6 100 meters
[06:23] <qman__> I thought he meant in his home, PC to PC
[06:23] <qman__> making fiber silly
[06:24] <StrangeCharm> qman__, agreed, there is almost application i can think of that would require fibre in the home. but fiber to the home is a sound investment: highest experimental speeds with fiber are massive, among other advantages
[06:24] <qman__> yeah
[06:25] <supermatthew> why, im living in the center of thousands of corprate buildins and 10 or so datacenters within an hour drive
[06:25] <supermatthew> but im stuck with 3 mbps dsl
[06:25] <supermatthew> yet i had fios when i lived in denton, which is an hour drive
[06:26] <StrangeCharm> not to put too fine a point on it: the reason that the us has such poor broadband and beyond-broadband is that llu is not mandated
[06:26] <qman__> I'm stuck with cable
[06:26] <qman__> costs three times what it should
[06:26] <qman__> the only other option is a leased line
[06:26] <supermatthew> i want to move to sweeden
[06:26] <supermatthew> sweden
[06:27] <supermatthew> a friend there has a 100 mbps line
[06:27] <StrangeCharm> 100meg broadband as a human right?
[06:27] <StrangeCharm> the suicide rate's pretty high, though
[06:27] <supermatthew> O.o
[06:27] <crohakon> StrangeCharm; I think 100meg broadband should be a human right =)
[06:28] <StrangeCharm> supermatthew, i'm just saying, there's broadband, and there's environment
[06:28] <qman__> I'll take my freedom over fast internet
[06:28] <StrangeCharm> crohakon, i agree in principle, but i'd rather not specify a speed, rather a qualitative value that'll keep pace with changing times
[06:28] <StrangeCharm> qman__, where do you have freedom, out of interest?
[06:28] <crohakon> Want to know what pisses me off about ISPs? When they block ports!
[06:29] <qman__> I live in michigan, US right now
[06:29] <qman__> and my rights are pretty heavily violated here
[06:29] <crohakon> what part of michigan?
[06:29] <qman__> but it's much worse in europe
[06:29] <qman__> lapeer
[06:29] <qman__> ideally I'd like to go to alaska
[06:29] <StrangeCharm> qman__, don't assume so. the balance is closer than you think, especially with the echr
[06:29] <qman__> the last free state
[06:30] <crohakon> over near flint?
[06:30] <qman__> crohakon, yes
[06:30] <crohakon> Ahh, I am from the Muskegon area.
[06:31] <crohakon> Anyway, time for sleep. Goodnight.
[06:31] <qman__> good night
[06:31] <supermatthew> so i was thinkin, Blimps + LAzors + Sharks = Internet Anywere above ground and defence system for said internet
[06:31] <supermatthew> ie each blimp is a hop
[06:32] <supermatthew> and connects to other blips or to the ground via lazers
[06:32] <supermatthew> then you stick the sharks on the blimps so that people can't attack them or enviromentalists will be angry
[06:32] <qman__> supermatthew, that strategy would be pretty heavily affected by poor weather
[06:33] <supermatthew> put blimps high up in air
[06:33] <supermatthew> and if the connections poor, then you use land based connections to cover the area
[06:33] <supermatthew> then when weathers clear, you can go back to blimpies
[06:34] <qman__> also, effective laser communication requires extreme precision
[06:34] <supermatthew> and im sure that not much could stop a 10 gigawatt comminication lazer
[06:34] <qman__> more than GPS can do
[06:35] <supermatthew> but sharks + satalite dishes + blimps doesn't sound as good
[06:35] <supermatthew> i should be gettin to bed
[06:35] <StrangeCharm> what's the package/metapackage/whatever for the standard ubuntu gnome environment?
[06:36] <qman__> StrangeCharm, ubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <StrangeCharm> so simple, thanks
[06:36] <supermatthew> also: for password security people: download these http://www.outpost9.com/files/WordLists.html
[06:36] <supermatthew> if your passwords on one of those lists
[06:36] <supermatthew> please think of a new password
[06:37] <qman__> nice resource
[06:37] <qman__> great for pen testing WPA
[06:37] <supermatthew> :p it seems WPA is becomming a joke
[06:37] <supermatthew> almost as much as wep
[06:38] <supermatthew> yay netsplit
[06:39] <qman__> well, WPA + AES isn't totally broken
[06:39] <qman__> but it's easy to get a packet, and then brute force
[06:39] <qman__> so it requires a strong passphrase
[06:42] <qman__> I keep all my wireless stuff on a separate network from my important stuff
[06:42] <qman__> and VPN in
[06:42] <qman__> just like I would from anywhere else on the internet
[07:59] <nic1> can anyone please tell me where i can get the key bindings for x server?
[08:05] <_ruben> ubuntu-server doesnt do X
[08:14] <nic1> ok..
[08:14] <nic1> what is tty, stty etc.,?
[08:29] <_ruben> stty (1)             - change and print terminal line settings
[08:29] <_ruben> tty (1)              - print the file name of the terminal connected to standard input
[08:29] <_ruben> tty (4)              - controlling terminal
[08:29] <_ruben> !apropos stty
[08:29] <_ruben> aww
[08:33] <twb> !man -k tty
[08:33] <twb> Bah!
[08:33] <qman__> not a very bright bot, is he
[09:42] <StrangeCharm> what's the command to start the ubuntu-dektop interface
[09:44] <kwork> start kdm from init
[09:44] <kwork> if you use kde
[09:49] <twb> StrangeCharm: "invoke-rc.d gdm start"
[09:49] <twb> StrangeCharm: assuming you mean a graphical GNOME login screen.
[09:52] <fahadsadah> Why have you installed a GUI on a server?
[09:52] <twb> hear, hear
[09:53] <fahadsadah> The only time I've ever done that was to rickroll clueless users over X11 forwarding.
[09:53] <\sh> hmmm..on karmic its "start gdm" afaik, because of upstart? ;)
[09:55] <StrangeCharm> fahadsadah, i like using a mouse with emacs
[09:55] <StrangeCharm> so sue me
[10:00] <Garandil> Hi.. I was wondering if there is any good way to administer the domains and mail users on Ubuntu server?
[10:00] <kwork> i use postfixadmin
[10:06] <Garandil> does it work in anyway like qmailadmin?
[10:08] <twb> Blink.
[10:08] <twb> People still use qmail?
[10:08] <twb> StrangeCharm: Emacs has transparent remote file access.  It is in NO WAY appropriate to install Emacs on a server.
[10:09] <Garandil> I used it 3 years ago.. just gotten around to start fiddeling with linux again..
[10:09] <twb> StrangeCharm: also, even if you install emacs23-nox on your server, you can do -e xterm-mouse-mode
[10:09] <twb> As the mg DD, I also heartily recommend it as a lightweight alternative to vi when you're trying to fix the network at the server's local console.
[10:10] <twb> \sh: ah, I guess in karmic the upstart people finally got off their arses and started moving stuff out of sysvinit-compat
[10:10] <twb> \sh: start(8) is certainly an upstart API
[10:15] <\sh> twb, yes...keybuk did some good work on it :)
[10:16] <twb> At the same time, per finally got insserv on by default in Debian...
[11:05] <hk_guest> hi all I have a question. What is the main advantage to upgrade my system from 8.04 to 9.1 ?
[11:10] <twb> hk_guest: you get to spend a weekend fixing all the fuckups it causes
[11:11] <hk_guest> twb: should I upgrade my server?
[11:11] <twb> The rule of thumb is: get it working, then leave it the hell alone
[11:11] <twb> Don't upgrade unless you know you need to
[11:11] <twb> e.g. because it fixes a bug that's causing you a lot of problems.
[11:12] <hk_guest> twb: you are right
[11:12] <twb> Note that security updates are an exception to this rule
[11:13] <hk_guest> twb: what is the best web based managemetn tool for ubuntu server in ypur opinion? for example webmin or ebox?
[11:13] <kblin> well, a security update kind of classifies as "a bug that's causing you a lot of problems"
[11:13] <twb> hk_guest: they're all bloody awful
[11:13] <twb> kblin: granted
[11:13] <twb> kblin: not everyone sees it that way :-)
[11:14] <hk_guest> twb: :))
[11:14] <hk_guest> twb: I think you are thinking the best management tool is nano or pico :)
[11:15] <twb> hk_guest: erm, sed -i beats nano
[11:15] <twb> pico IIRC isn't free software, so it's automatically out
[11:16] <kblin> hk_guest: basically try whatever you can find and pick your best match
[11:16] <kblin> hk_guest: mine happens to be vim, yours might be different
[11:18] <kblin> e.g. you can pretty much manage a samba server from the microsoft management console if you want to
[11:18] <hk_guest> kblink: yes. I am using nano. I want to set up a new server instead of old with a new PC based hardware. and planning to use 9.1
[11:18] <kblin> 9.10, if I might nitpick :)
[11:19] <hk_guest> But I use mysql for vtigercrm and postgresql for another software. I dont know what is waiting for me when I transfer my old data
[11:21] <hk_guest> I am not sure should I upgrade or not. Because my old system like an test system. lots of unnecessary software I installed on it.
[11:21] <hk_guest> I want a fresh start again :9
[11:45] <MazuGrazus> hellow
[11:45] <MazuGrazus> i am having error while creating cloud server: Error 7: Failed to connect to 91.189.89.31: Network is unreachable
[11:45] <MazuGrazus> anyone can help me to solve it?
[11:46] <twb> Pfft, vim is like 7MB
[11:47] <cemc> which is the fastest virtualization method (performance-wise) in 9.04/9.10 ? for servers without X
[11:48] <cemc> I mean server guests, ubuntu/debian
[11:48] <twb> Visualization of what?
[11:48] <cemc> virtualisation
[11:48] <twb> Oh, virTualization
[11:48] <cemc> KVM ?
[11:48] <twb> KVM is what Ubuntu recommends.
[11:50] <cemc> mhm. I'm using Virtualbox for windows, and vmware server for ubuntu server installs, but it's a bit (a lot?) slower.
[11:52] <MazuGrazus> what does it means "cc host"?
[11:53] <TeTeT> MazuGrazus: cluster controller host in the context of UEC
[11:53] <MazuGrazus> TeTeT: thx
[12:12] <acalvo> hi
[12:12] <Googa> I have created a zone file "ele.localhost."
[12:13] <Googa> and in the zone file I write @ SOA nameofcomputer.localhost.
[12:13] <Googa> and then NS RR i put it again and a A record for the loopback adress
[12:13] <Googa> when i write dig ele.localhost, why dosent my computer loopback adress come up
[12:14] <Googa> or should i configure it so the zone ele.localhost i created is in my computers assigned ip and not loopback address
[12:54] <phretor> hello, what do you think about this RPC issue? http://pastie.org/676628 - no firewall nor /etc/hosts.* restrictions are active.
[13:15] <ttx> smoser: bug 464418 looks like a failure to bundle correctly to me... would you get that error if you package something that is not an image together with a valid EKI/ERI ?
[13:16] <ttx> https://launchpad.net/bugs/464418
[13:18] <smoser> i dont know how htat could be.
[13:20] <smoser> ttx, the attached console log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34665954/console-output
[13:21] <smoser> says "gave up waiting on sda1" but right before that it shows sda1 output from kernel
[13:22] <ttx> beh
[13:23] <ttx> smoser, kirkland: I never got that in testing. did you ?
[13:23] <smoser> no.
[13:23] <kirkland> ttx: first i've seen of it
[13:23] <kirkland> ttx: i did hit the deadlock db issue *all day* yesterday
[13:23] <smoser> and i to would suspect rebundling (cared that possibly rebundling on non-karmic might have cuased it) other than it doesn't say "no filesystem on /dev/sda1" it says "no sda1"
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: particularly as i was setting up for my UEC demo last night
[13:24] <ttx> kirkland: happy to hear I didn't dream it. I got it every single time.
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: i couldn't "not" get it yesterday
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: i see why you were so frustrated
[13:24] <ttx> kirkland: I think its config-related
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: we have to fix that in an SRU
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: our competition is gonna laugh at us
[13:24] <kirkland> ttx: and our customers are going to cry
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: so i caught dan online, and here's how we "fixed" it
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: i commented out the upstart registration jobs
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: since the pieces were already registered
[13:25] <ttx> kirkland: "restart" fixes it for me.
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: and restarted eucalyptus
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: i had to no-opt the registrations
[13:26] <ttx> kirkland: simply restarting wouldn't fix it ?
[13:28] <ttx> kirkland: they asked access to affected configurations to debug it. But the box I experience it on boots 25% of the time correctly because it has hardware quirks, so I'm not sure the eucalyptoids can easily use it for investigation
[13:28] <ttx> kirkland: good thing if you can reproduce it steadily on something they could access
[13:29]  * ttx should really dump that intel sdp nightmare and replace it by hardware that works.
[13:29] <kirkland> ttx: sure, i won't reinstall this system until they've looked at it
[13:29] <RoyK> choosing "install ubuntu enterprise cloud" feels strange in this VM on my laptop
[13:29] <kirkland> ttx: so i brought 4 laptops to the release party last night
[13:29] <kirkland> ttx: and the router
[13:30] <ttx> kirkland: how did it go ?
[13:30] <kirkland> ttx: our 2 canonical dell laptops and our router
[13:30] <kirkland> ttx: plus 2 of my own
[13:30] <kirkland> ttx: i did UEC demo's all night
[13:30] <kirkland> ttx: most people there had seen ec2
[13:30] <kirkland> ttx: and they were pissing themselves when they saw how they could do basically the same thing on their hardware
[13:31] <ttx> yes, in 15 minutes :)
[13:31] <kirkland> ttx: so it went well, once i got the db deadlock thing solved
[13:31] <kirkland> ttx: i also demo'd powernap
[13:31] <kirkland> ttx: which went really well
[13:31] <kirkland> ttx: brought the watt-meter
[13:32] <kirkland> ttx: killed all the vm's waited 5 minutes while i showed the web interface
[13:32] <phretor> hi folks, I usually don't ask to re-consider a post: I know it's lame and very annoying. However, this is really causing me serious problems in a production environment. Does anybody have any clues about the RPC issue I posted above? Thank you.
[13:32] <kirkland> ttx: and then each of the nodes s3 suspended
[13:33] <ttx> yes, that makes a great 45 minute demo. If we could cut the install time while still showing "from ISO to cloud", we could do it in 20-30 minutes
[13:34] <ttx> I don't think a 15-minute format would give it justice
[13:37] <Googa> what the fuck is a node
[13:37] <RoyK> " scrub: scrub in progress for 0h0m, 0,00% done, 852h29m to go"
[13:37] <Googa> please
[13:37] <Googa> anyone
[13:38] <RoyK> a node is a machine in a cluster
[13:38] <RoyK> among other things
[13:38] <kwork> member of a cluster
[13:38] <smoser> Googa, in UEC terms a node is a physical system that hosts virtual systems
[13:39] <smoser> please do not use foul language, as it might be offensive to some.
[13:39] <Googa> sry
[13:43] <Googa> is subdomain same as subzone?
[13:57] <moonpup> can anyone tell me the differnce between the admin and adm groups?
[13:57] <moonpup> do you have to be in both for sudo privs?
[13:58] <Pici> moonpup: admin is listed in the sudoers file. adm is typically used for writing to log files in /var/log/  (someone correct me if I'm missing something)
[13:59] <moonpup> Pici thanks, as I couldn't seem to find anything in the ubuntu docs regarding the groups
[14:00] <moonpup> i was pretty sure it was admin, but didn't know what adm was for
[14:04] <andol> Pici: Well, I guess adm is more used for read access to log files...
[14:48] <maxernoult> hello
[14:49] <Boohbah> hi maxernoult
[14:51] <maxernoult> do you know a command / program that shows the electric consumption of a server ?
[14:52] <simmerz> hi. Just upgraded a server (Xen host) guest from intrepid -> jaunty -> karmic. Jaunty was fine, but karmic fails to boot. I get the following, and then a Control-D message:
[14:52] <simmerz> mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy
[14:52] <simmerz> mountall:/proc/self/mountinfo: No such file or directory
[14:52] <simmerz> mountall: root filesystem isn't mounted
[14:52] <simmerz> host is debian etch / kernel 2.6.18
[14:54] <Boohbah> maxernoult: PowerTOP
[14:55] <Boohbah> http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/
[14:55] <maxernoult> good, th0mz nks
[14:55] <maxernoult> oups ...
[14:56] <maxernoult> good, thanks :D
[15:09] <Liberty76> I want to install 9.10 on a new computer it will be real close to my desktop Shall I administer it via lan or serial port
[15:16] <Liberty76> Is anyone here that canm help
[15:20] <Liberty76> Is every one here a bot
[15:21] <simmerz> hi. Just upgraded a server (Xen host) guest from intrepid -> jaunty -> karmic. Jaunty was fine, but karmic fails to boot. I get the following, and then a Control-D message:
[15:22] <simmerz> mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy
[15:22] <simmerz> mountall:/proc/self/mountinfo: No such file or directory
[15:22] <simmerz> mountall: root filesystem isn't mounted
[15:22] <simmerz> host is debian etch / kernel 2.6.18
[15:27] <dmsalles> Alguem está rodando vmware server no ubuntu 8.04
[15:27] <Liberty76> Simmerz are you real
[15:27] <simmerz> Liberty76: yep
[15:35] <Liberty76> simmerz thanks
[15:35] <Liberty76> lots of people here but not much help
[15:36] <weechat3> xit
[15:42] <darkpixel> Liberty76: There are people in here from around the world.  I just woke up and sat down at my PC--but I have to leave for work in about 5 minutes.  Try asking your question in another hour, maybe more people will be looking at their screen.
[15:44] <Liberty76> maybe
[15:53] <ttx> kirkland, mathiaz: I'll be away until Thursday, please split the remaining bugs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/eucalyptus between you two so that they keep moving
[15:54] <mathiaz> ttx: maaoooowww - okidoki
[15:55] <ttx> mathiaz: you're trying to sound like a lynx ?
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: :)
[15:55] <ttx> mathiaz: sounded like when I step on my cat.
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: it's actually hard to sound like a koala
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx:
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ koala
[15:56] <ttx> mathiaz: how was Montreal release party ?
[15:56] <mathiaz> ttx: great - I didn't get as much beers as I expected
[15:56] <mathiaz> ttx: the upside is that I was able to remember the way back home ;)
[15:56] <ttx> hm, being an Ubuntu dev used to pay more.
[15:57] <ttx> I also remembered the way from my party couch to my bed
[15:57] <mathiaz> ttx: how many people were attending your party couch?
[15:58] <Liberty76> I am building a new pc, and want to make an ubuntu home server, Do i need a monitor will a serial port work or is it better to administer it over the network?
[15:58] <ttx> mathiaz: do cats count ?
[15:58] <mathiaz> ttx: yes - mice as well
[15:58] <ttx> mathiaz: then, 2 plus an unknown number of mice.
[16:00] <incorrect> is there no 9.10 server edition?
[16:00] <ttx> incorrect: you are incorrect.
[16:01] <Liberty76> There is a 9.10 release it came out officially yeserday
[16:01] <incorrect> well the updates to the website show no 9.10
[16:01] <incorrect> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/techspecs/whatsnew
[16:02] <incorrect> linked from http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition
[16:02] <Liberty76> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[16:03] <ttx> incorrect: you are correct -- that "What's new in 9.10 (Jaunty Jackalope)" is quite wrong
[16:03] <incorrect> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download shows no server edition
[16:03] <ttx> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
[16:03] <ttx> linked from first page (ubuntu.com)
[16:04] <incorrect> well its confusing for people who have previously just clicked the download and selected server
[16:05] <ttx> incorrect: and it should be fixed
[16:05] <incorrect> i wonder if someone will have put in server install from the netboot or if i will have to extract the seed file for it
[16:05] <ttx> incorrect: thanks for pointing it out
[16:05] <Liberty76> I thought the whole world knew about 9.10 its ben all over the net. and on the front page of ubuntu. org
[16:06] <incorrect> i thought maybe the server version was skipping a release as i didn't see a whats new
[16:06] <Liberty76> I would get it from a torrent. The dowlload servers will likely be over loaded
[16:08] <Liberty76> Can the server be administered ove a serial port?
[16:10] <ttx> incorrect: known issue, fix in progress
[16:11] <incorrect> ttx, cool, i wasn't too sure if there was going to be a server release, i haven't been keeping track of things recently
[16:11] <ttx> there is. I hope, otherwise I'd have been working 6 months for nothing.
[16:14] <incorrect> thought it might have been more important to get a good LTS out rather than a server update now
[16:15] <mathiaz> incorrect: LTS is the next release.
[16:15] <incorrect> i know
[16:15] <incorrect> i try to use LTS releases for my hosting platforms
[16:33] <mathiaz> ScottK: bug 377571
[16:33] <mathiaz> ScottK: is linux1.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. an invalid value for myhostname?
[16:33] <ScottK> No.  Let me look at the bug.
[16:34] <mathiaz> ScottK: I'm going through the postfix bugs to mark all invalid hostname/domain name bugs duplicate of bug 402776
[16:36] <mathiaz> ScottK: could the . at the end be the 'misplaced delimiter'?
[16:48] <RoyK> is there a trivial 'show ubuntu version' command somewhere? looking in all sorts of files in /etc is a mess
[16:50] <jpds> RoyK: apt-cache show $package | grep Version ?
[16:50] <Boohbah> RoyK: cat /etc/lsb-release
[16:50] <jpds> Oh, not packages, lsb_release -a should do that.
[16:52] <kshbu0> ping
[16:52] <RoyK> lsb_release -r
[16:52] <RoyK> thanks
[16:53] <Pici> !version
[16:55] <RoyK> Pici: sure, but the question was answered :þ
[16:56] <Pici> RoyK: Just in case someone asks in the future, hopefully someone will remember the factoid.
[16:56] <RoyK> this cloud computing stuff in 9.10 - is it just an abstraction of kvm/xen/something or what's the big deal?
[17:27] <Skaag> Hi guys, I'm running 9.04 server, 64bit. Is Xen known to work out of the box on this version?
[17:27] <Skaag> and is it the recommended virtualization solution?
[17:52] <pdebruic> Is there a metapackage I could use to go from Ubuntu Minimal to Ubuntu Server?
[17:55] <andol> pdebruic: Depending on what version you run there might be a task called "server" which will give you the packages belonging to a basic ubuntu server.
[17:56] <pdebruic> andol: OK thanks.  its a Jaunty minimal install.
[17:57] <andol> Yes, in Jaunty you should find that task
[17:57] <nijaba> Skaag: Ubuntu works as a guest under Xen, but not as a Xen host. see http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/technologies/virtualization
[17:57] <Skaag> hrm.
[17:58] <andol> pdebruic: sudo tasksel install server should do the trick.
[17:58] <nijaba> Skaag: the recommended virtualization solution for server on Ubuntu is KVM
[17:58] <Skaag> interesting
[17:58] <pdebruic> andol: thanks!
[17:59] <nijaba> btw, I just finished updating http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/techspecs/whatsnew for 9.10
[17:59] <andol> pdebruic: You might also want to pull the meta package linux-server to get the server kernel.
[18:02] <pdebruic> andol: ok thanks.  I'm trying to figure out why my smalltalk image runs fine in Jaunty 64 bit desktop but seg faults in 64 bit server
[18:12] <blackxored> hello I got this disk which says LDM metadata and all that stuff the disk came from windows, how can I mount it in ubuntu 8.04.3???
[18:13] <sammy> does anyone else happen to use ejabberd's mod_irc to connect to freenode?
[18:15] <sammy> oh nm. I'm finding the bug now. say, all the instructions I find about using the alternative-iso to upgrade to 9.10 involve using the update-manager gui and not the console. is there a way to use the alternate server iso to upgrade an ubuntu-server install so I can download the torrent instead of putting more load on the mirrors?
[18:20] <orudie_> question. is it safe to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.10 ?
[18:22] <ruben23> hi
[18:22] <ruben23> how do i get initrd.gz and vmlinuz on network boot..?
[18:22] <sammy> orudie_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes : Skipping versions is not advised as it may cause damage to your system. If you are using an earlier version, and want to 'skip' a version, the safest way is to backup your data and do a fresh installation, or to progressively upgrade to each successive version.
[18:23] <ruben23> i should not used the initrd.gz and vmlinuz on the installation disc, im doing ubuntu-server amd64 8.04
[18:23] <ruben23> hi anyone..?
[18:29] <nijaba> ruben23: you should find your answer in the WP I wrote about automated deployments at: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whitepapers
[18:31]  * nijaba calls it a week.  Have fun everyone...
[18:53] <alex88> hi, i was updating a vps to karmic via ssh..but connection closed..is there a way to resume the upgrade process?
[18:54] <alex88> cause maybe it's waiting for a configuration input or something else
[18:54] <alex88> should i simply restart and continue upgrade after restart?
[18:54] <qman__> alex88, normally it spawns an SSH server on an alternate port
[18:55] <alex88> yeah...but it's not responding
[18:55] <alex88> maybe the firewall is blocking it
[18:55] <alex88> uh..i can use ssh port forward to ssh->localhost..
[18:57] <alex88> mmhh..i've logged in on alternate port
[18:57] <alex88> but i can't see the upgrade progress
[19:01] <alex88> mmhhh
[19:02] <alex88> i'll try hard reboot
[19:12] <alex88> uh nice...vps broken...
[19:12] <alex88> mountall:/proc: unable to mount: Device or resource busy
[19:12] <alex88> mountall:/proc/self/mountinfo: No such file or directory
[19:14] <ruben23> 8.04 is entipred right..?
[19:16] <alex88> ruben23: nope, it's hardy
[19:16] <alex88> 8.10 is intrepid
[19:20] <smoser> kirkland, where should i document that you can have second dhcp server on eucal network ignore d0:0d macs?
[19:46] <kirkland> smoser: somewhere in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[19:46] <kirkland> smoser: ie, some page below that
[19:50] <blackxored> how can I change keyboard layout in ubuntu 8.04.3????? it's sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales or something else???
[19:53] <blackxored> please direct my message I'm going out for a while, we need to setup an english keyboard layout from the console of ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS
[20:01] <Liberty76> I want to build a homeserver system.  My MB has a serial port and will be connected to my network. Can I adminster Karmic without a monitor and keyboard?
[20:01] <qman__> Liberty76, yes, normally you'd install SSH server and just do it remotely
[20:01] <qman__> you need a keyboard and mouse for the initial install, though
[20:02] <qman__> borrowing one from another machine is good enough
[20:02] <qman__> err
[20:02] <qman__> keyboard and monitor
[20:02] <qman__> mouse not needed
[20:02] <Liberty76> I'm not sure what ssh means?
[20:02] <Liberty76> Kewl.. I adminstraitng it from Serial port a good idea?
[20:03] <qman__> not necessary
[20:03] <qman__> ssh is secure shell, a network service
[20:03] <qman__> you can connect to your server from another computer
[20:03] <Liberty76> Kewl
[20:03] <Liberty76> kewl ..
[20:04] <qman__> to connect you use 'ssh' from linux machines, or get putty for windows machines
[20:05] <Liberty76> this is to be a fileserver/webserver and database server any particular gotchas
[20:05] <qman__> nope, you can just check the "LAMP" install for a web/database server, and install samba or NFS for file server
[20:06] <Liberty76> I have a karmic desktop machine that will be stacked right on top of it.
[20:06] <qman__> the ubuntu server guide goes through this process in good detail
[20:06] <Liberty76> Qman I really apreciate your advise ..
[20:07] <Liberty76> I never AROUND WITH SERVERS MUCH
[20:08] <qman__> no problem
[20:08] <Liberty76> i never played around with servers much. so the cofidence is a little low
[20:10] <crohakon> Liberty76; I just recently did the same thing you are looking to do. It took me about 2 hours to set up just because I had to start over twice. First time was because the box I was using had a bad mb that kept locking up. The other time was just so I could re-enforce what I had learned from the first two attempts.
[20:10] <qman__> yes, it's a very straightforward process, ubuntu makes it easy
[20:10] <qman__> so, even for a newbie, it shouldn't take too long
[20:11] <crohakon> Liberty76; Now I can connect to my ubuntu server from anywhere and access my files. I am also hosting my own website now, using dyndns.com and avoiding default ports (damn charter)
[20:11] <Liberty76> I installed the desktop a couple of times and I'l be using the same hardware for the server.
[20:11] <crohakon> Liberty76; Like qman says, easy even for a newbie. I had never configured a server before. Although, I had been using Ubuntu desktop on my laptop for about a week. =)
[20:13] <Liberty76> It sounds like fun, I am taking some pride in building pretty powerful machines for not much money ..
[20:13] <qman__> my record for bringing up a new web server is ten minutes flat, from inserting the CD to production ready
[20:13] <ScottK> I once had a mail server up and in production in two hours.
[20:13] <ScottK> But that was from a box of parts on a table.
[20:13] <Liberty76> I think my biggest thing to learn is the networking stuff.
[20:14] <crohakon> ScottK; I was going to tackle the mail server next. My only issue is my ISP blocking ports. But I am sure I can find away around it to make it work.
[20:14] <Liberty76> I use an atom duo board ..
[20:14] <qman__> ScottK, nice
[20:15] <crohakon> Liberty76; Whats to know? Ubuntu should setup should configure your nic and it should be plug in play. Install LAMP, configure it quickly by going through the server guide, and you are set to go.
[20:15] <qman__> crohakon, what I did was set up postfix with a gmail account
[20:15] <qman__> it's not perfect but it allows me to get mail onto the internet
[20:16] <crohakon> So, in a sense, you run your own SMTP but use gmail for the pop access?
[20:16] <qman__> basically, I only set it up to get mail out
[20:16] <qman__> all mail is "from" that gmail account
[20:16] <Liberty76> Crohakon It sounds pretty straight forward.  I hope it works that easy.. although desktop proved striaghtforward
[20:16] <qman__> used it for automated mailing
[20:16] <crohakon> That would work for my needs. I just want to set it up so my websites can send mail for account activations and such.
[20:17] <qman__> right, that's exactly what I needed too
[20:18] <qman__> I did it almost a year ago, so I don't remember all the details
[20:18] <crohakon> Liberty76; The only issue I faced was that I was clueless when it came to working in a console environment. I almost gave in and installed gnome... but the guys and gals here in this channel convinced me to just push through with console. I am damn thankful they did, I love console now. I even code using nano and have never found building websites to be so easy.
[20:18] <qman__> but basically you configure it to connect to gmail as its smtp server, you put the gmail account information in a config file, and set it up to use the alternate port and TLS
[20:19] <qman__> yeah, the console is linux's best feature, if you ask me
[20:19] <qman__> bash can facilitate some amazing things
[20:20] <crohakon> I am still learning, but it has been a lot less daunting then I thought it would be. In fact, it really helped me to understand how the OS worked.
[20:20] <crohakon> Liberty76; When do you plan to do this?
[20:21] <Liberty76> Crohakon I have had some experiance on sun stations.
[20:21] <Liberty76> next week I  still need a ca\se and disk drive
[20:22] <crohakon> ahh
[20:22] <Liberty76> one of those mine ITX cases
[20:22] <Liberty76> mini
[20:22] <crohakon> When ever I have the $$ I want to setup linux on a sold state drive on a mini computer with a touch screen just for fun. =)
[20:23] <qman__> my most important servers use old hard drives, quantum fireballs
[20:23] <qman__> those things just don't die
[20:23] <Liberty76> I have a solid state 32 gig ide : but Im going for a 100 terabyte drive
[20:23] <crohakon> damn, thats a lot of storage.
[20:23] <Liberty76> $100 drive just singe terabyte
[20:24] <qman__> heh, my file server only has 3.3TB
[20:24] <Liberty76> lol
[20:24] <crohakon> qman__; How many servers are you running?
[20:24] <qman__> hmm
[20:24] <qman__> 5, but one's down from hardware failure
[20:24] <crohakon> What do you use them for?
[20:25] <qman__> one's my internet gateway and router
[20:25] <qman__> one's a file server, also running torrentflux
[20:25] <qman__> one runs openVPN and mail
[20:25] <qman__> one's my shell server and web
[20:26] <crohakon> and I assume the web server is running a lamp configuration?
[20:26] <qman__> yes
[20:26] <crohakon> Whats your power bill like? =)
[20:26] <qman__> oh, computers are the least bit to worry about for power bill
[20:27] <qman__> family business, it's a campground
[20:27] <coolman_bg84> hay algien q hable espaniol
[20:27] <qman__> party store
[20:27] <qman__> got tons of refrigerators and AC units and such
[20:27] <qman__> power bills are like $1500 a month
[20:27] <crohakon> qman__; I have always wanted to own something like that...
[20:28] <qman__> it's my parents' business
[20:28] <qman__> I run the network, we have wifi
[20:28] <linux_dr> I'm really confused on how to configure apache in Ubuntu 9.10.... I'm trying to turn on the RewriteLog to no avail... ideas?
[20:28] <crohakon> apt-get install apache2
[20:28] <ruben23> hi how do partition manual my HDD... imean the proer devision on every mount points..
[20:28] <qman__> linux_dr, you probably need to enable the module
[20:28] <ruben23> any guide for it
[20:28] <qman__> a2enmod modulename
[20:29] <metalf8801> my update just seems to have stopped
[20:29] <guntbert> linux_dr: #ubuntu-server might be the better place for your problem
[20:29] <linux_dr> Apache is running just fine... trying to diagnose a mod-rewrite issue.
[20:29] <qman__> guntbert, this is #ubuntu-server
[20:29] <crohakon> guntbert; He is in #ubuntu-server... where do you think you are?
[20:29] <crohakon> lol
[20:29] <metalf8801> WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-root is not the current user
[20:29] <metalf8801>  * Restarting eBox module: apache
[20:29]  * guntbert blushes
[20:29] <qman__> linux_dr, sudo a2enmod rewrite
[20:29] <linux_dr> ROTFL
[20:29] <qman__> then restart apache
[20:30] <guntbert> linux_dr: sorry :/
[20:30] <crohakon> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[20:30] <crohakon> sudo, of course, before hand
[20:30] <ruben23> any..?
[20:31] <crohakon> ruben23; sorry, not much good when it comes to partitioning. Never really had to do it much.
[20:31] <metalf8801> is there anything i can do?
[20:31] <qman__> ruben23, partition with fdisk, change mount points in /etc/fstab
[20:31] <linux_dr> the rewrite MODULE is already enabled... I need to turn on LOGGING. so I can see why my rewrite rule is broken.
[20:31] <linux_dr> RewriteLog
[20:32] <ruben23>  qman__: i mean how do i propoerly subdivide the sizes, of like /boot  recommended size--for /root---> like that etc.
[20:32] <qman__> ruben23, fdisk
[20:32] <qman__> or cfdisk, or parted, or whatever partitioner you like
[20:32] <qman__> oh, you mean what size should you make it
[20:33] <ruben23>  qman__: yeah but how about the sizing of partition are ther any standard of it..
[20:33] <qman__>  /boot should be at least 128MB, probably no more than 256MB
[20:33] <crohakon> not to big... not to little...
[20:33] <ruben23> like for /boot , /root,  /local..
[20:33] <qman__>  / should be at least a gig
[20:33] <crohakon> =)
[20:33] <qman__>  /usr should be at least a gig
[20:33] <linux_dr> it's just with the apache config broken up into a dozen pieces like this I'm not sure where to put it... I put it in the main apache2.conf to no avail
[20:35] <crohakon> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_log_config.html <-- does this help
[20:35] <metalf8801> can anyone help me?
[20:35] <crohakon> metalf8801; whats wrong/
[20:36] <metalf8801> i'm trying to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and there seems to be a problem with ebox
[20:36] <metalf8801> "running post-installation trigger ebox"
[20:37] <crohakon> metalf8801; not an area where I have a great deal of knowledge.. sorry.
[20:37] <metalf8801> ok thanks anyway
[20:37] <qman__> metalf8801, how long has it been sitting?
[20:37] <crohakon> I can say, that is why I am sticking with 9.04 for a month or so.
[20:37] <metalf8801> at least 30 min
[20:38] <qman__> yeah, probably shouldn't be taking that long
[20:38] <qman__> I'd let it go for another 30 min, but if it's still not done I'd ctrl+c
[20:39] <metalf8801> well its still says about 27 minutes remaining
[20:39] <metalf8801> ok thank you
[20:40] <qman__> well
[20:40] <qman__> if it doesn't get anywhere in 30 min, then stop it
[20:40] <qman__> but if it does, just let it go
[20:41] <metalf8801> it looks like this is what its stuck on
[20:41] <metalf8801> WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-root is not the current user
[20:41] <metalf8801>  * Restarting eBox module: apache                                        [ OK ]
[20:42] <blackxored> how to change keyboard layout from the console in 8.04?
[20:44] <blackxored> anyone?
[20:44] <crohakon> qman__; What is the your camp grounds/stores website?
[20:44] <metalf8801> thanks qman
[20:45] <ruben23> can i do LVM with primary partion..? or only extended-logical
[20:45] <qman__> crohakon, http://www.hilltopcampground.net/ -- the server doesn't support php or anything, so it's a bit lame, but there's pictures and stuff
[20:45] <blackxored> how to change keyboard layout from the console in 8.04?
[20:46] <crohakon> qman__; php is not that hard to set up
[20:46] <qman__> ruben23, you can do LVM with either
[20:46] <qman__> crohakon, it's not my server, it's just a web host
[20:46] <qman__> hence the problem
[20:46] <crohakon> qman__; why not run it at home?
[20:47] <qman__> charter blocks port 80
[20:47] <crohakon> so?
[20:47] <crohakon> port 8000 is not blocked
[20:47] <qman__> you can't run a business website on an alternate port
[20:47] <qman__> it just doesn't work
[20:47] <crohakon> using dyndns with a domain name
[20:47] <blackxored> how to change keyboard layout from the shell, anyone could answer this one?
[20:48] <qman__> in any case, that's probably going to be addressed soon anyway
[20:48] <qman__> we're exceeding our bandwidth at times there
[20:48] <crohakon> fair enough =)
[20:48] <crohakon> The place looks nice though.
[20:49] <qman__> thanks
[20:49] <crohakon> Do you have tent camping at all or is it just campers?
[20:49] <qman__> tent camping too, but all sites accommodate campers
[20:49] <qman__> but we're getting pretty far off topic :)
[20:50] <ruben23> qman__: my /boot partition--can i do it with ext3 file system..?
[20:50] <crohakon> qman__; true. =) Well, maybe my wife and I will have to plan our next camping trip there. It looks nice. That is the last I will say on the topic though.
[20:50] <qman__> blackxored, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[20:50] <qman__> ruben23, yes
[20:53]  * Liberty76 is leaving thanks qman and crohakon
[20:56] <crohakon> what are the advantages of running your own DNS server instead of using your ISPs?
[20:56] <qman__> crohakon, much faster DNS lookups, resulting in faster web browsing
[20:56] <qman__> plus you can create a local zone and use DNS instead of netbios names
[20:56] <qman__> or hosts files
[20:57] <crohakon> qman__; I think that will be my next project then.
[21:47] <ruben23> do sysadmin guys dreamed to setup and have ther own mail server..running..;-) thats a fact....
[21:49] <clusty> hey
[21:50] <clusty> i was curious how much ram do i need to run a LAMP with ubuntu server?
[21:50] <clusty> i want to buy VPS hosting for my project and was windering if 128 MB ram is enough for some light blog
[21:50] <poningru> clusty, 256MB here works just fine
[21:50] <poningru> oh
[21:50] <poningru> no idea
[21:50] <poningru> I would imagine so
[21:51] <__ruben> better avoid getting slashdotted with just 128megs
[21:51] <clusty> now i got 64 mb :D and it does nto cut it. that is the default conf
[21:51] <clusty> 64 MB is barely enough to run everything with no clients  :D
[21:52] <__ruben> my router which also has a lamp stack on it, uses 147M excluding cache/buffers
[21:53] <clusty> well basically i can "upgrade" to 128 mb for 15 bux/month
[21:53] <clusty> or switch providers alltogether for 512MB for 25bux/month
[21:53] <__ruben> i dont have any vms under 512M, i tend to for 1G as "default" .. then again, im not a vps buying person
[21:54] <clusty> well i am running windows in a box, but that is not comparable usage. and virtualbpx with 256 mb ram is fine for winCP
[21:54] <clusty> XP*
[22:00] <clusty> which package do i need to reconfigure to get apache to default conf?
[22:02] <jpds> clusty: apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[22:02] <bogeyd6> prob look for
[22:02] <bogeyd6> dpkg --reconfigure apache2
[22:02] <bogeyd6> sorry i been in suse all day
[22:02] <bogeyd6> its
[22:03] <bogeyd6> dpkg-reconfigure
[22:03] <cemc> if I use virt-install --vnc, how can I tell it to listen on 0.0.0.0:5900, and not only on 127.0.0.1:5900 ?
[23:41] <dannyboy1121> could do with a hand here - manually deleted a directory oops for jabber installation (/etc/jabber). Reinstalling jabber doesn't recreate the directory though. Any ideas how to force a complete fresh install?
[23:43] <hggdh> dannyboy1121: sudo apt-get purge jabber && sudo apt-get install jabber
[23:44] <hggdh> (if the dir is created by the install)
[23:44] <dannyboy1121> h: I've tried this ... reinstall doesn't seem to recreate the /etc/jabber dir
[23:44] <dannyboy1121> I'm totally confused
[23:44] <dannyboy1121> :)
[23:45] <hggdh> dannyboy1121: http://pastebin.com/f7729114b
[23:46] <hggdh> these are the packages that deal with the /etc/jabber directory (for karmic)
[23:47] <dannyboy1121> jabberd14
[23:51] <dannyboy1121> excellent .. that did the trick. I learnt something there ... tyvm
[23:52] <hggdh> dannyboy1121: one way to find which file belongs to which package is via apt-file. This is where I got the list (apt-file search /etc/jabber)
[23:53] <dannyboy1121> ahHHhhh .. again, many thanks
[23:54] <hggdh> yw