[00:00] <manolo_> ok, done
[00:01] <joshuahoover> now, do you have the .u1conflict file there or no?
[00:01] <manolo_> nope!
[00:01] <manolo_> ?
[00:01] <manolo_> how come? we haven't done anything yet, have we?
[00:02] <joshuahoover> no, we haven't
[00:02] <joshuahoover> and normally this one file would already have .u1conflict appended to it, correct?
[00:02] <manolo_> yes, that's it
[00:02] <manolo_> it was an entire folder, actually
[00:03] <manolo_> wait wait
[00:03] <manolo_> I was looking at the wrong folder :/
[00:03] <joshuahoover> ahhh :)
[00:03] <manolo_> there it is, in all its shining u1conflictness :)
[00:04] <joshuahoover> ok, so can you try what you normally try to get rid of this conflict?
[00:06] <manolo_> yes
[00:07] <joshuahoover> alright, you've done all that?
[00:07] <manolo_> yep
[00:07] <manolo_> now it's staying, apparently
[00:07] <manolo_> usually, it goes back to .u1conflict right away
[00:08] <joshuahoover> hmmm...
[00:08] <joshuahoover> manolo_: is there anything else that you might normally do when this occurs? quit the client and start it back up maybe? just trying to reproduce it so we get good debug logs here  for the devs :)
[00:09] <manolo_> let me try to open one of them and save it again
[00:09] <joshuahoover> cool
[00:12] <manolo_> I don't know, it's working OK now :)
[00:12] <manolo_> if I get the problem again, I will come back to the channel with the log
[00:12] <manolo_> sorry to be disturbing for nothing
[00:13] <joshuahoover> manolo_: thank you! no, you're helping us get to the bottom of a problem, we really appreciate it
[00:15] <joshuahoover> if it does occur, please file a bug by right-clicking on the ubuntu one client and selecting "report a problem"...try to give the steps you think you took to get the problem and then attach all the log files found in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/ to the bug
[00:15] <joshuahoover> thanks again for your help!
[00:15] <manolo_> I certainly will. Thak you!
[00:26] <lamalex> what with tis caps mismatch jawn im getting?
[00:27] <joshuahoover> lamalex: have you updated your system and restarted the ubuntu one client?
[00:27] <lamalex> joshuahoover: aptitude doesnt show any updates and ive restarted system since the last time i updated
[00:28] <joshuahoover> lamalex: are you on 9.10?
[00:28] <lamalex> yah
[00:28] <joshuahoover> lamalex: can you try running this in a terminal session? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:28] <lamalex> i use aptitude  but sure, ill do it again
[00:28] <lamalex> i literally did it before asking though
[00:28] <lamalex> (i read the topic)
[00:29] <joshuahoover> lamalex: strange, because i haven't had anyone yet who can't get the update
[00:29] <lamalex> hmm
[00:30] <lamalex> what's the correct version?
[00:30] <joshuahoover> 1.0.2-0ubuntu2 is what should show on your system
[00:30] <lamalex> hmm nope, im at 0ubuntu1
[00:31] <lamalex> i wonder why it's not finding the upgrade
[00:31] <lamalex> when was it pushed?
[00:31] <joshuahoover> lamalex: i believe within the last 5 hours or so
[00:32] <lamalex> ah, maybe it hasn't hit my archive?
[00:32] <joshuahoover> lamalex: that would be my guess...today all the servers are pretty loaded with traffic, so it may take longer than usual for things to replicate
[00:33] <lamalex> yah
[00:48] <andersfeder> hey, ubuntuone is very cool .. is there a dev mailing list?
[03:07] <chitchat098> hi, can anyone tell me about the security used by ubuntu one to secure my files?
[03:07] <chitchat098> i can't find anything about this on the uone website
[05:53] <Neil3> hey folks
[05:54] <Neil3> just pondering switching to ubuntu one from drop box, service wise, they both look very similar though
[13:07] <x-ip> hi all
[13:10] <joshuahoover> hi x-ip!
[13:12] <x-ip> hi joshuahoover
[13:12] <x-ip> it would be dangerous to copy my private gpg key to ubuntu one ?
[13:12] <x-ip> i mean, to use it as backup ...
[13:18] <joshuahoover> x-ip: unless you're encrypting it yourself, i do not recommend that
[13:18] <x-ip> thanks joshuahoover
[13:18] <joshuahoover> x-ip: for more info related to ubuntu one security and privacy, please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Security
[13:19] <x-ip> thanks a lot :)
[13:19] <joshuahoover> np :)
[14:02] <urbanape> MEETING BEGINS / MEETING STARTS - Now is the time on Sprockets venn ve dance! Or, if you're on the desktop+ team, shout out with 'me' and we'll find out what you've DONE, what you have TODO, and what is BLOCKing you.
[14:03] <aquarius> me
[14:03] <CardinalFang> me
[14:03] <urbanape> me
[14:03] <teknico> me
[14:04] <rodrigo_> me
[14:05] <urbanape> akvarius, if you please. DANCE!
[14:06] <urbanape> er. aquarius, go ahead and start
[14:06] <aquarius> oops, sorry
[14:06] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: branch to add more logging for find_port_linux problem; help people debug dc-non-starting issues
[14:06] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: look at oauth-enabling twisted; make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; work on desktopcouch developer docs
[14:06] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[14:06] <aquarius> CardinalFang, bring that beat back
[14:06] <CardinalFang> Yes sir!
[14:06] <vds> me
[14:06] <CardinalFang> DONE: Made ini mutating program, 'ini_apply_changes'.
[14:06] <CardinalFang> TODO: Optimize program, Bug#464626.  Take rest of day off, in exchange for last holiday worked.
[14:06] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[14:06] <CardinalFang> urbanape!
[14:06] <urbanape> DONE: Start a branch to do better chunking of initial push of local Firefox bookmarks for Bindwood.
[14:06] <urbanape> TODO: Get it pushed, learn the inner workings of our PPA, so Bindwood can get updated there in the meanwhile before Lucid. Fix some U1 web UI bugs.
[14:06] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[14:06] <urbanape> teknico: teknicolly, you're next.
[14:07] <teknico> DONE: tried using evolution with couchdb; helped lisas with u1 client problems; helped investigate desktopcouch sync problems
[14:07] <teknico> TODO: integrate the client-side code needed by delete buttons on repeatable sections of the contacts edit form (#439093)
[14:07] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[14:07] <teknico> next: rodrigo_
[14:07] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Fixed XML<->HTML converter. Tested evo-couchdb contacts syncing. Looked at #462978
[14:07] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Look at Tomboy no
[14:07] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[14:07] <rodrigo_> next vds
[14:07] <vds> DONE: still tests file sharing, desktopcouch, bindwood and tomboy,  code review
[14:07] <vds> TODO: code review
[14:07] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[14:20] <LJV> hi all ,, is there any option tu unsubscribe from  ubuntuone?
[14:23] <aquarius> EOM?
[14:27] <vds> I guess so
[14:28] <urbanape> MEETING ENDS
[14:28] <urbanape> so mote it be
[14:31] <filo1234> hy guys, how can i delete a file down myfiles on ubuntuone?
[14:31] <filo1234> HI*
[14:33] <filo1234> i have not trash icon there
[14:39] <leoquant> thx fixing that mismatchbug with the latest update.
[14:42] <jcastro> rodrigo_: I am getting permission denied on all my evo couch addressbooks, ken says it's something to do with not being able to talk with the desktopcouch?
[15:01] <filo1234> how can i delete from web interface, files down Myfiles directory?  i have not trash icon for to make it
[15:01] <aquarius> filo1234, if you click on a file, but not on the name of the file, then it shoudl highlight that file and give you a trashcan for it
[15:04] <rodrigo_> jcastro: yes, seems so, run e-d-s on a terminal:
[15:04] <rodrigo_> $ evolution --force-shutdown
[15:05] <rodrigo_> $ /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28
[15:05] <filo1234> aquarius: sorry but i cannot delete it :( i make a screenshot
[15:05] <filo1234> wait
[15:05] <rodrigo_> and then run evolution and try opening the addressbook
[15:06] <filo1234> aquarius: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/497758/Schermata-2.png
[15:07] <aquarius> filo1234, you get that blue highlight when you just mouse over ubuntu.iso, yes?
[15:07] <aquarius> try clicking on it, where the mouse is in that screenshot
[15:07] <aquarius> (that is, click on the row for that file, but not on the filename)
[15:07] <filo1234> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/497758/Schermata-3.png
[15:08] <aquarius> filo1234, ok, you should get a delete trashcan there, and you don't, and I don't know why. jblount?
[15:08] <rodrigo_> jcastro: and pastebin the output in the terminal
[15:09] <rodrigo_> jcastro: some people are having the same problem, so if it's that, restarting dc should fix it
[15:09] <jcastro> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/305126/
[15:09] <filo1234> aquarius: i can't
[15:09] <jcastro> I will try restarting
[15:09] <filo1234> i don't know
[15:09] <aquarius> filo1234, someone else may be able to help more -- jblount or urbanape have been working on the files web interface
[15:10] <filo1234> aquarius: if i make it oh another foledr,i have trash
[15:10] <filo1234> aquarius: thanks
[15:11] <jcastro> rodrigo_: restarting dc fixed me
[15:11] <filo1234> aquarius: where i can to find theys?
[15:11] <rodrigo_> jcastro: cool
[15:11] <filo1234> oh ok
[15:12] <aquarius> filo1234, in this channel -- I'm hoping they're around. jblount, urbanape? :)
[15:12] <pfibiger> aquarius: jblount is out today, urbanape should be around
[15:12] <filo1234> aquarius: ;) sorry i have seen :P
[15:13] <pfibiger> filo1234: one thing you might try: upload another small file to "My Files" directly, and then see if you get a trash can for that, or for the ISO if you click the highlight from one to the other
[15:13] <urbanape> Im here
[15:13] <urbanape> waht's up filo1234?
[15:13] <urbanape> damn, and I can almost type, too.
[15:13] <filo1234> urbanape: i cannot delete a file on MY File directory, i have not trash icon
[15:14] <filo1234> i try with another version of firefox
[15:14] <filo1234> urbanape: this is my problem http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/497758/Schermata-3.png
[15:14] <urbanape> yup, just got caught up from the backlog.
[15:15] <urbanape> filo1234, any errors reported in the error console?
[15:15] <filo1234> urbanape: nope
[15:16] <urbanape> do you get a flash of two links on the right hand side of the name column? There should be something there for File Information and Delete
[15:19] <urbanape> also, if you can check the generated DOM, you should see something like this around the iso link: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/305139/
[15:26] <filo1234> urbanape: i have not that code on source page
[15:26] <filo1234> :|
[15:27] <filo1234> urbanape: after i try from karmic koala and ubuntuone-client
[15:28] <urbanape> I don't know if inspect element is only available with the Web Developer extension, but it's what I used (right click in that table cell, and choose Inspect Element)
[15:28] <urbanape> you wouldn't have exactly that code, of course, but the structure should be similar.
[15:29] <urbanape> If you look at just the page source, it won't be there. That table is created dynamically at runtime via AJAX and buzzword buzzword, buzzwordly.
[15:29] <urbanape> sorry, felt a little foolish after the "dynamic", "runtime" and "AJAX" came tripping out.
[15:31] <filo1234> urbanape: thanks a lot
[15:31] <aquarius> inspect element is a firebug thing
[15:32] <urbanape> I know that the Web Developer extension also has the ability to view generated source (to serialize the current state of the DOM)
[15:36] <aquarius> urbanape, javascript:alert(document.querySelectorAll(".yui-dt-selected")[1].innerHTML) ?
[15:36] <filo1234> urbanape: on karmic and ubuntuone-client i'll to be able to see all folders, right?
[15:38] <filo1234> but problem is not firefox version i think, i have try from windows too
[15:38] <filo1234> and problem is the same
[15:41] <urbanape> Weird. I'm unable to reproduce. Anything in "My Files" should show the info and delete buttons when the row is selected.
[15:42] <urbanape> especially if you're able to reproduce across browsers (and operating systems!)
[15:42] <urbanape> filo1234, I'm not sure what your last question means exactly. See all folders where?
[15:42] <filo1234> from nautilus
[15:44] <filo1234> uhm i'm installing firefox-3.5 now
[15:46] <urbanape> what were you on? 3.0?
[15:46] <urbanape> (Should have been fine, I think)
[15:46] <filo1234> 3.0 urbanape now
[15:57] <urbanape> hrm.
[16:03] <filo1234> urbanape: with ff-3.5 don't see files and folders, i have an empty page :/
[16:03] <filo1234> lol
[16:04] <urbanape> That's definitely a step in a different direction.
[16:04] <filo1234> ok
[16:04] <urbanape> dang. Unfortunately I have a lunch date I can't break. I'll be back in about an hour.
[16:05] <filo1234> i'll followig my tests :P
[16:08] <filo1234> i go home now, see you and thanks a lot
[16:15] <CardinalFang> thisfred, new change at  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntuone-servers/ini_apply_changes
[16:15] <thisfred> CardinalFang: great, will rereview
[16:15] <CardinalFang> yay, unittest
[16:23] <thisfred> CardinalFang: looks good to me, tests pass, so approve stands
[16:25] <CardinalFang> Thank you sir.
[16:53] <FrankRoberts> hi guys, are there any plans to integrate the ubuntu one contacts with IM contacts (or even websites like myspace, facebook)
[16:55] <filo1234> hi
[16:55] <filo1234> urbanape: hi, with karmic run
[16:55] <joshuahoover> FrankRoberts: yes, we have that in our roadmap :)
[16:56] <joshuahoover> hi filo1234
[16:56] <filo1234> hi joshuahoover
[16:57] <FrankRoberts> cool, anything to say about when this can be expected?
[16:57] <FrankRoberts> i really need it ^^ :)
[16:57] <joshuahoover> FrankRoberts: i'd love to give more definite dates, but we'll be enhancing contacts in a variety ways over the next 6 months
[16:58] <FrankRoberts> is there any way i could help in the process? im not a programmer but would love to participate if needed
[16:58] <FrankRoberts> I think it has high potential
[16:59] <joshuahoover> FrankRoberts: we'll likely do some early testing with a select group of people...if you'd like to be in this group, send me an email at joshua.hoover at canonical dot com
[16:59] <FrankRoberts> good idea I'd love to help
[17:00] <FrankRoberts> the mail is on its way
[17:00] <joshuahoover> perfect! thanks!
[17:02] <FrankRoberts> its in you mailbox :)
[17:47] <netbook> Hi, I have just updated using Update Manager and I still have "Capabilities mismatch"
[17:48] <netbook> anyone know how to fix this?
[17:50] <raindog> For the last week I have not be able to get ubuntuone to connect.  I am running karmic updated fully.  So, I went to the web interface and removed my computer and tried to re-add it to no avail.  Am I missing something?
[17:50] <joshuahoover> netbook: if you run the following in a terminal session, can you let me know what version is there for ubuntuone-client? dpkg -l ubuntuone*
[17:51] <joshuahoover> raindog: are you seeing any errors from the client?
[17:51] <raindog> joshuahoover, no.
[17:51] <joshuahoover> raindog: ok, can you quit ubuntu one client and then try launching it from a terminal session: ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:52] <netbook> "ubuntuone-client?" as command?
[17:52] <netbook> yea i have client applet
[17:52] <raindog> joshuahoover, sure.  one moment.
[17:52] <barlas> joshuahoover, I have 1.1+r273, on karmic
[17:52] <joshuahoover> barlas: ok, that's good :)
[17:53] <joshuahoover> barlas: now try this in a terminal session: killall ubuntuone-client-applet ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[17:53] <joshuahoover> barlas: after that, then do: ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:54] <barlas> Ah, it worked, thanks.
[17:54] <netbook> joshuahoover, i quit and restarted it... it worked
[17:54] <barlas> I tried it before, but without killing syncdaemon
[17:54] <netbook> i tried that before i swear ><
[17:54] <netbook> weird
[17:54] <netbook> i did ps aux|grep ubuntuone and i didn't see syncdaemon listed
[17:54] <joshuahoover> barlas: that's our fault, we're getting a fix in to restart the client with syncdaemon after an update
[17:55] <joshuahoover> netbook: ^^
[17:55] <raindog> joshuahoover, no errors in the terminal, still will not connect.  Went to web interface.  Still can't re-add this machine, but it does show the files that are supposed to be there.
[17:55] <barlas> A quick question: If I delete files from ~/Ubuntuone folder, will it delete files from cloud too?
[17:55] <joshuahoover> raindog: can you check the bottom of the following log file? ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log
[17:56] <joshuahoover> barlas: yes
[17:56] <netbook> i don't have to open any port if I have "ACCEPT ESTABLISHED" in my iptables right?
[17:56] <raindog> joshuahoover, sure.
[17:56] <joshuahoover> netbook: you shouldn't
[17:56] <netbook> cool
[17:56] <netbook> just checking, it seems to work
[17:56] <joshuahoover> netbook: good!
[17:57] <raindog> joshuahoover, end of the logfile is many entries of 'Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2'
[17:57] <joshuahoover> raindog: hmmm...ok
[17:57] <netbook> what aer y'all using ubuntu one for?
[17:58] <joshuahoover> raindog: can you check this log file (if it exists): ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[17:58] <barlas> netbook, Backup, file sharing etc.
[17:58] <netbook> backup would be nice
[17:59] <netbook> there is not windows client right?
[17:59] <joshuahoover> netbook: no, there is not
[17:59] <netbook> alright
[17:59] <joshuahoover> netbook: we're considering it
[17:59] <raindog> joshuahoover, syncdaemon-exceptions.log is empty however there are several syncdaemon-exceptions.log files from today.  Where can I post the contents?
[17:59] <netbook> i have a netbook that i take notes on, i get better batt life with windows xp
[17:59] <joshuahoover> netbook: our client is open source and so is the storage protocol we use so anyone can build a client for any platform
[18:00] <netbook> freedom for the win
[18:00] <joshuahoover> netbook: the web ui is your only option from non ubuntu computers right now, sorry
[18:00] <netbook> its cool, it would probably be better for batt if i use web ui instead of client syncing all the time
[18:01] <netbook> maybe
[18:01] <joshuahoover> netbook: possibly
[18:01] <joshuahoover> raindog: sorry...post them to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <raindog> joshuahoover, http://paste.ubuntu.com/305247/
[18:01] <joshuahoover> raindog: :)
[18:03] <joshuahoover> raindog: can you try this: killall ubuntuone-client-applet ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[18:03] <joshuahoover> raindog: then this: mv ~/.config/ubuntuone/ubuntuone-client.conf ~/.config/ubuntuone/ubuntuone-client-old.conf
[18:03] <joshuahoover> raindog: then this: ubuntuone-client-applet
[18:06] <raindog> joshuahoover, hmm, same result.  checking log files
[18:06] <joshuahoover> raindog: if you do: dpkg -l ubuntuone*
[18:06] <joshuahoover> raindog: what version for the client shows up?
[18:07] <raindog> joshuahoover, From oauth-login.log     Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2
[18:09] <raindog> joshuahoover, on the web interface I still can't point it towards this machine.  I removed this machine entry while troubleshooting earlier.  Not sure if that might be why the connection isn't taking.  Just a thought.
[18:10] <joshuahoover> raindog: here's something else we can try (aside from starting over with a "clean" u1 install)
[18:10] <raindog> joshuahoover, which i can do, if so be it.\
[18:10] <joshuahoover> raindog: go to applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys
[18:10] <joshuahoover> raindog: under passwords, do you have an ubuntu one token?
[18:11] <raindog> joshuahoover, affirmative.  ;)
[18:11] <joshuahoover> raindog: ok, let's try this: killall ubuntuone-client-applet ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[18:11] <joshuahoover> raindog: then: delete that token
[18:11] <joshuahoover> raindog: then: ubuntuone-client-applet
[18:12] <joshuahoover> raindog: if that doesn't work, i'm going to suggest a clean install, which we have instructions for
[18:12] <joshuahoover> raindog: unfortunately, the log files are telling us very little
[18:14] <raindog> joshuahoover, I was able to re-add this machine via web interface, but the applet still won't connect correctly.  Can you give me the link for a clean install of u1?
[18:15] <joshuahoover> raindog: before that, can you see if there is a new ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log file?
[18:15] <raindog> joshuahoover, sure.
[18:15] <joshuahoover> raindog: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778
[18:17] <raindog> joshuahoover, newest syncdaemon-exceptions.log same as what I previously pasted.  Clean install time it looks like.
[18:18] <joshuahoover> yeah, i'm afraid so, i hate recommending that, but if you continue to get the same errors/behavior after the clean install, we can eliminate something goofy in the install somewhere
[18:18] <raindog> joshuahoover, Thank you very much for your time and assistance.  It is greatly appreciated.
[18:18] <joshuahoover> raindog: has it ever worked for you? i assumed it was based on what you said earlier, maybe a bad assumption
[18:18] <tcole> dumb question, how do we allocate story numbers again?
[18:18] <tcole> er, wrong window
[18:18] <joshuahoover> tcole: heh
[18:18] <raindog> joshuahoover, yes, but it hasn't connected properly for the last two weeks or so, and I do updates daily.
[18:20] <raindog> joshuahoover, Once again, thanks.  reinstalling...
[18:20] <joshuahoover> raindog: cool, i'm VERY interested in hearing the results :)
[18:21] <raindog> joshuahoover, I'm just hoping it isn't something stupid that I've overlooked.  Don't want to be outed for the sometimes-power-noob that I am.  :)
[18:22] <joshuahoover> raindog: happens to me all the time and i'm part of the team :)
[18:27] <raindog> joshuahoover, That did the trick.  The connection is holding.  Added a few test files.  They synced correctly.
[18:27] <joshuahoover> raindog: good! (kind of)
[18:28] <joshuahoover> raindog: good that you're back up, bad that i wasn't able to help pinpoint the real problem you were experiencing
[18:28] <raindog> joshuahoover, I should have backed up the orginal log and config files.
[18:29] <joshuahoover> raindog: i think that's ok, they were very useful
[18:29] <joshuahoover> weren't very useful
[18:29] <joshuahoover> raindog: if it happens again, ping me here right away
[18:29] <joshuahoover> raindog: thanks for being so patient!
[18:29] <raindog> joshuahoover, Well, either way, thank you very much.  If you are ever in Michigan I owe ya a beer.
[18:29] <joshuahoover> :)
[18:36] <jcastro> raindog: where in MI are you?
[18:43] <urbanape> filo1234, I'm back (a little later than I expected). are you still missing the info and delete icons?
[18:44] <filo1234> urbanape: sure on karmic by firefox
[18:50] <urbanape> that's bizarre.
[18:54] <filo1234> urbanape: yep
[18:55] <filo1234> urbanape: i think about some conflict with some plugin, flash or java
[18:55] <urbanape> doubt it. It's just javascript.
[18:55] <filo1234> on karmic i haven't installed any plugin
[18:55] <filo1234> urbanape: uhm
[18:55] <urbanape> do you use greasemonkey?
[18:55] <filo1234> no no
[18:56] <filo1234> nothing
[18:56] <filo1234> and javascript are enable too
[19:25] <FrankRoberts> where can i find the roadmap for the ubuntu one project?
[19:31] <joshuahoover> FrankRoberts: currently, we don't have one published, we will have one out for lucid very soon
[19:31] <FrankRoberts> thx
[19:36] <raindog> jcastro, Just outside Lansing.  You're in A2?
[19:40] <jcastro> raindog: royal oak
[19:40] <raindog> jcastro, I haven't made it to any of the MI loco events yet, but I hope to by spring.
[19:41] <jcastro> that would be swell, we had the release party last night! You can hang out with us at #ubuntu-us-mi if you'd like
[22:43] <mow> can you encrypt your backups?