[00:09] <ron_o> for boot I know, go at least 250MB.. mine @ 100MB has issues with space.
[00:09] <ron_o> ... /usr is huge... depends on how many apps you have, I guess.
[00:13] <ron_o> my /usr is at 4 GB..
[00:17] <Bwyard> how do i mount a hard drive partition
[00:19] <ron_o> # sudo mount /dev/<named_partition>
[00:20] <ron_o> and #umount    .... to unmount it.
[00:21] <raevol> livecd uses intel KMS... that's so awesome
[00:21] <raevol> almost done installing on my eeepc
[00:22] <Bwyard> um its not working
[00:22] <Bwyard> im trying but its not working
[00:23] <ron_o> you have to have the right name of the partition.
[00:23] <Bwyard> its sda4
[00:23] <ron_o> is it like sda4..
[00:23] <ron_o> and you are in root?
[00:23] <Bwyard> im using sudo
[00:24] <Bwyard> well gpart says it mounted in / /media/linux and linux
[00:24] <ron_o> what's the error?
[00:24] <Bwyard> so how do i remove those three mounts then mount it so i can write to it or see it in thunar
[00:24] <ron_o> what are you trying to mount exactly?
[00:24] <Bwyard> there is no error
[00:24] <ron_o> oh sorry..
[00:24] <Bwyard> a ext3 partition thats blank
[00:24] <ron_o> been awhile.
[00:25] <ron_o> you have to mount a device to a mount point.
[00:25] <Bwyard> well its mounted to 3 mount points
[00:25] <ron_o> like  #sudo /dev/sda4  /media/cdrom
[00:25] <Bwyard> "/"
[00:25] <Bwyard> "/media/linux"
[00:25] <Bwyard> and
[00:25] <Bwyard> "linux"
[00:25] <ron_o> then just umount it..
[00:28] <Bwyard> srry bout that
[00:28] <Bwyard> i logged out and logged back in
[00:28] <Bwyard> its unmounted frome verywher but /
[00:28] <Bwyard> when i try to unmount in gpart
[00:29] <Bwyard> it says i need to manually unmount
[00:29] <Bwyard> i will be back later
[00:29] <Bwyard> wheni get back can u plz help
[00:29] <Bwyard> it will be like 10 - 15 min
[00:29] <ron_o> the command is just #umount <device> in root
[00:29] <ron_o> I must go now.
[00:29] <Bwyard> ok
[00:44] <Bwyard> how do i unmount a extra partition mounted to /
[00:46] <kromar> hi
[00:47] <kromar> is it somehow possible to controll 2 pcs with one keyboard and mouse?
[01:02] <bwyard> it fixed
[01:09] <raevol> hmm i don't really like the new GDM, and there seems to be no options for changing it around
[01:24] <bwyard> how do i mount windows drive
[02:27] <Studz> Hey
[02:27] <Studz> I just upgraded to 9.10 and anytime I open an application there is no bar at the top of the window. So I can't move, close, etc and it overlaps the top panel. I can't seem to google for a solution since all the hits are off topic when I include the word "window"
[02:28] <Studz> Is there a thread or fix for this?
[02:36] <Aquina> Try to reboot the system. In case it doens't help experiment with xfce4-panel or xfce-panel. Maybe there's a problem with that.
[02:37] <Studz> Rebooting doesn't seem to have any effect. Anything specific with xfce4-pane
[02:38] <Studz> panel?*
[02:52] <millo87> hey, I'm trying to install xubuntu - upon recommendation of the guys at #ubuntu.  I'm currently sitting at the screen with "Install Xubuntu" in the middle - with boot options
[02:52] <millo87> everything I click/type gives me a popup box with what looks to be "/inrtall/vmlinuz"
[02:53] <millo87> can anyone give me some idea where to go from here please?
[03:12] <Andysalina5> yo
[03:12] <ceafu_> Hey all. Is Xubuntu 9.10 having all the pulseaudio and/or alsa sound issues with snd-hda-intel that ubuntu and kubuntu are ?
[03:12] <Andysalina5> not that im aware of...
[03:14] <millo87> hey, I'm trying to install xubuntu - upon recommendation of the guys at #ubuntu.  I'm currently sitting at the screen with "Install Xubuntu" in the middle - with boot options
[03:14] <ceafu_> Does Xubuntu have pulseaudio installed by default. I am try to decide whether or not to download, burn, and do another install today.
[03:14] <millo87> everything I click/type gives me a popup box with what looks to be "/inrtall/vmlinuz"
[03:14] <millo87> can anyone give me some idea where to go from here please?
[03:21] <Andysalina5> im sorry i cant
[03:28] <ceafu_> Is pulseuadio installed in Xubuntu 9.10 by default ?
[04:21] <Jammet> Hello there ... :)
[04:22] <Jammet> I've just finished the software upgrade to 9.10 and now - the "add/remove software" program in the menu is gone. I read that there is a new, different programs for installing software now, but I don't know the name.
[05:25] <raevol> hey is it safe to click skip during "downloading language packs" in xubuntu install?
[05:25] <raevol> it says it's going to take an hour...
[05:27] <raevol> omg
[05:27] <raevol> btw empathy suport for irc is terrible, and irssi is terrible too
[05:27] <raevol> did i miss anything?
[05:31] <raevol> screw it clicked skip
[06:16] <hellothere> taking into consideration that Xubuntu uses Xfce, which is a good thing, excepting that, how would you rate Xubuntu in comparison to other distros with similar markets?
[06:18] <_Techie_> what is this, some sort of poll?
[06:18] <_Pete_> -1
[06:19] <hellothere> it's called research
[06:20] <_Pete_> hopefully not real one?
[06:20] <hellothere> oh please
[06:29] <hellothere> would anybody be kind enough to answer the question
[06:33] <hellothere> 159
[06:33] <hellothere> 158
[06:33] <_Techie_> i would rate it very evenly, while it lacks some of the more advanced features of its counterparts, it runs fast on most hardware
[06:34] <_Pete_> define fast?
[06:35] <_Techie_> speed of GUI
[06:35] <_Techie_> i find that menu's open alot faster than when using some other distros
[06:43] <Rika> I hate to ask this, but can someone tell me why gcc is no longer officially supported?
[06:44] <_Pete_> Rika: ?
[06:44] <Rika> ..
[06:44] <Rika> Neevermind. I answerd my own question when I was scrolling through the upgrade list
[06:45] <Rika> (that is, 4.4 isn't supported in jaunty but in karmic, so it only appears in the karmic lists, which is why gcc-4.3 is.. well, no longer supported.)
[06:45] <_Pete_> that would be breaking news :)
[06:45] <Rika> So.. uhm.
[06:45] <Rika> I just feel dumb now. Sorry about that.
[06:45] <_Pete_> well, join the club
[07:11] <Kimbosobisobi> can I use unetbootin-windows-377.exe to put Xubuntu's ISO on a flashdrive ?
[07:11] <_Techie_> yes Kimbosobisobi you can
[07:12] <Kimbosobisobi> OK, so after the ISO is done I just select it, tell it the flash drive (after I get my junk off of it) and I should be good to go long as I select it at next boot?
[07:12] <Rika> Yes
[07:12] <Rika> That's how I installed xubuntu on my laptop
[07:13] <_Techie_> yep Kimbosobisobi easy as pie
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> Groovy baby.
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> oh
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> no need to change the FAT32 ?
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> (partition)
[07:13] <_Techie_> no, as long as you have a fat32 partition
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> ok
[07:14] <Kimbosobisobi> I'll see if this one actually works unlike the last 2 releases
[07:15] <_Techie_> ive never had problems with *buntu and unetbootin
[07:15] <_Techie_> especially 8.10 and 9.04
[07:16] <Kimbosobisobi> I was referring to the kernels don't work properly with the e1000e module
[07:16] <Kimbosobisobi> last one that did was hardy
[07:16] <_Pete_> Kimbosobisobi: works perfectly here with my EeePC 1000he
[07:17] <Kimbosobisobi> _Pete_: I'm on a Dell Inspiron 530
[07:17] <Kimbosobisobi> It would work sometime, sometime not
[07:17] <_Pete_> and what exactly isnt working?
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> it will 'twinkle' at the router
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> and never get a connection
[07:18] <_Pete_> wierd
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> sometimes , after many times, of rmmod e1000e , and modprobe e1000e
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> it will come back
[07:18] <_Pete_> are you sure it is about that linux?
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
[07:19] <_Pete_> Kimbosobisobi: ok then
[07:20] <Kimbosobisobi> yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up
[07:20] <_Pete_> well
[07:21] <_Pete_> I think things are repaired very fast on linux-world
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> Well Intrepid and Jaunty didn't work
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> Jaunty worked a little better
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> but still wasn't enough to make me switch back
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> now if XP was out of security updates .. sure
[07:22] <_Pete_> always can blame bad HW
[07:22] <_Pete_> luckily I never have had one
[07:22] <Kimbosobisobi> that's what they do here in linux
[07:22] <Kimbosobisobi> land
[07:23] <_Pete_> do what?
[07:24] <Kimbosobisobi> blame "hardware that was made for windows only"
[07:24] <_Pete_> yes
[07:24] <_Pete_> btw, count me on to that those
[07:24] <_Pete_> since I am doing that also (=linux dev)
[07:25] <_Pete_> but what else can you do when no specs are available?
[07:25] <Kimbosobisobi> specs?
[07:26] <_Pete_> like in this
[07:26] <_Pete_> how to program certain hardware
[07:26] <_Pete_> those win-gays dont make that info public
[07:27] <_Pete_> so only way to try is reverse-engineer
[07:27] <Kimbosobisobi> well it worked in hardy
[07:27] <Kimbosobisobi> so what did they break is the question
[07:27] <_Techie_> well, what stopped working?
[07:28] <Kimbosobisobi> my NIC, properly
[07:49] <Axius> How to change a user name?
[07:50] <_Techie_> one sec ill grab the command
[07:51] <_Techie_> sudo usermod -l NEW_NAME OLD NAME
[08:14] <Axius> When I try to remove a user I get this message : userdel: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. What should I do ?
[08:15] <TheSheep> Axius: are you trying to remove yourself?
[08:16] <TheSheep> Axius: did you try doing it as a root?
[08:16] <Axius> I used sudo userdel unername
[08:21] <Axius> How to addf a user to sudoers?
[08:22] <Axius> How to add a user to sudoers?
[08:22] <_Techie_> visudo
[08:23] <_Techie_> by any chance were you originally trying to change a user to another user and have now resorted to deleting the user and creating a new one?
[08:31] <Axius> i have created a new user and i want to delete the old user.
[09:21]  * Avash notifies every one who are fun lovers to join channe #avash which is truly a fun channel
[09:51] <nikolam> Hm, someone screwed up ionice settings in /etc/cron.daily/slocate, making it -7 instead of 7...  on Hardy
[09:52] <nikolam> Thats why I was so frustrated once per day excpt I was not beside computer, and that was.. almost never..
[09:52] <nikolam> I would like to see to what package does /etc/xron.daily/slocate comes from..
[09:54] <knome> nikolam, install apt-file
[09:57] <nikolam> knome, i found it with synaptic package properties. it is from slocate package..
[09:57] <nikolam> Anyway, thanks for apt-file :)
[09:57] <knome> np
[10:00] <nikolam> Hm, it is also interesting that there is no slocate package anymore, beyond interpid/8.10
[10:29] <MaxFrames> hello
[10:52] <MaxFrames> dammit... on my PIII 733 system karmic actually boots slower than jaunty :(
[10:52] <Sysi> how did you measure?
[10:53] <MaxFrames> er... counting the seconds?
[10:54] <hellothere> impressive
[10:54] <Sysi> with 2,4 celeron it's faster
[10:54] <hellothere> smart girl
[10:54] <Sysi> first boot of course is slower
[10:55] <MaxFrames> of course I did not count the first boot
[10:56] <MaxFrames> my poor old compaq deskpro... I admit it has seen better days :P
[11:02] <MaxFrames> but I have another problem... I use a tool called Synergy to use a single keyboard and a single mouse to control two computers
[11:03] <MaxFrames> a windows xp computer acts as synergy server and the xubuntu pc acts as the client
[11:03] <MaxFrames> with 9.04 I hadn't any problem; with 9.10 what I type on the keyboard does not match what appears on xubuntu
[11:04] <MaxFrames> for instance, I type "-" and I get "'"
[11:05] <MaxFrames> it's like the mapping is wrong
[11:05] <MaxFrames> the physical keyboard is an italian one, and both operating systems are set up to use the italian layout
[11:13] <Yoshi47> so i upgraded to 9.10 this morning, and when i log in it thinks does the sparkly splash screen then returns to the login menu, i have tried reset all the permissions on my home folder but that still don't work, anyone having similiar issues?
[11:15] <Yoshi47> umm starts fine with startx -- :1
[11:15] <MaxFrames> gosh... that's a little bit worse than the little glitches I am getting :(
[11:16] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, What are you getting
[11:16] <MaxFrames> keyboard mapping problems using synergy
[11:17] <MaxFrames> what I type on the server PC does not match what I get on the client
[11:17] <MaxFrames> I have a windows pc as synergy server and linux as client, and both are set up for italian keyboard
[11:18] <MaxFrames> but now linux thinks it's a US keyboard, apparently
[11:18] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, synergy has bugs, but is nice to use, i'll give you that
[11:18] <Yoshi47> never had that problem though
[11:18] <MaxFrames> but it worked perfectly with 9.04!
[11:18] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, maybe you need to install the italian keyboard layout or something like that, i don't know cause i don't ever change it
[11:19] <MaxFrames> the italian keyboard layout is already installed on both PCs
[11:19] <MaxFrames> if I type on the linux PC with the physically attached keyboard, it works fine
[11:19] <MaxFrames> the problem is just with synergy
[11:20] <Yoshi47> well thats interesting, i had xubuntu but on the update it changed to gnome, i didn't ask for that, so i know have to install xfce cause apparently it uninstalled it, not all of it just the meta package
[11:21] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, i don't know how synergy supports languages, have you looked at the features?
[11:22] <MaxFrames> I don't know either, I just know that it was working before, and all I had to do was apt-get install it
[11:22] <Yoshi47> umm
[11:24] <MaxFrames> it's horrible... synergy was crucial for my workstation :(
[11:25] <MaxFrames> if i don't find a workaround, I'll have to format & reinstall 9.04
[11:26] <Yoshi47> lol, my screen rotated 90
[11:27] <MaxFrames> I'll remove synergy, reinstall it, reboot both pcs and pray
[11:27] <Yoshi47>  i don't think canocial did enough testing
[11:27] <MaxFrames> I tend to agree
[11:28] <Yoshi47> but what do you do
[11:28] <MaxFrames> I don't know, all I know is that every time I upgrade I spend two days fixing things
[11:28] <Yoshi47> we are the testers, i just think it should of stayed in beta longer, especially with all these new users coming from windows
[11:28] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, better then everyday fixing windows!
[11:30] <MaxFrames> well, my windows xp box hasn't needed special care for months now
[11:31] <doktor_dre> is there some global music volume controller in xubuntu? the sound volume is much lower than what I have in windows!
[11:31] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, well you get lucky then, but i'll give you that if you know how to treat it it does that job, just not my job and what i need to do
[11:31] <MaxFrames> don't get me wrong, I like ubuntu but it's just not ready to replace windows for casual end users yet
[11:31] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, yes
[11:31] <doktor_dre> Yoshi47: where?
[11:31] <Yoshi47> make sure you PCM is up
[11:31] <doktor_dre> what?
[11:31] <Yoshi47> ok lets start from the beginning
[11:31] <Yoshi47> you running xfce
[11:31] <doktor_dre> yes
[11:32] <Yoshi47> ok
[11:32] <Yoshi47> click on your volume icon by the clock
[11:32] <doktor_dre> brb 1 min
[11:32] <Yoshi47> lol
[11:32] <MaxFrames> I'll reboot now, and reinstall synergy, bbl
[11:32] <Yoshi47> ok
[11:36] <doktor_dre> back
[11:36] <doktor_dre> i don't have it, Yoshi47
[11:36] <doktor_dre> ok
[11:36] <doktor_dre> now I do
[11:36] <doktor_dre> that was it, thanks
[11:36] <Yoshi47> oh
[11:37] <Yoshi47> right click, add new items
[11:37] <Yoshi47> ok you have it now?
[11:37] <doktor_dre> 12:36 < doktor_dre> that was it, thanks
[11:37] <Yoshi47> so you see the PCM
[11:37] <doktor_dre> it's ok
[11:37] <doktor_dre> i've increased the volume
[11:38] <Yoshi47> well if you want to make it real loud like on a laptop make sure the PCM is up to but not to high
[11:38] <Yoshi47> that will give it a boost
[11:38] <doktor_dre> i've no idea what is pcm, i'm using a laptop and like I said, it's OK - I've made the sound louder already
[11:38] <doktor_dre> I know how to use the volume controller, just couldn't find it
[11:40] <Yoshi47> you usualy have to add more controls and then you will see it
[11:40] <doktor_dre> ...realized
[11:40] <doktor_dre> it's OK
[11:41] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-code_modulation if yuor interested
[11:42] <doktor_dre> thanks for help but I can't resist but to ask a question
[11:42] <doktor_dre> are you one of those people that try so much to get into the staff of a certain channel by helping more than they need to?
[11:42] <doktor_dre> i've noticed freenode is full of such...... uh volunteers
[11:45] <doktor_dre> when I say multiple times "it's OK. thanks"... there's no need to explain in more details over and over
[11:59] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, nope im at work and that more then i contributed all month
[12:00] <Yoshi47> just thought i would enlighten you so you not like rest of the world,
[12:00] <flan_suse> I have Xubuntu 9.10 installed on my netbook. When I connect to my protected wireless router, I enter my WPA passphrase. After doing so, the passphrase seems to be stored as plaintext in the NetworkManager. On Ubuntu (GNOME) it was stored as a hash. How can I get it to do the same on Xfce?
[12:01] <Yoshi47> flan_suse, same network manager?
[12:01] <flan_suse> I have "Start GNOME services" checked under Sessions > Advanced
[12:01] <flan_suse> Yoshi47, it's the NetworkManagers that comes with Xubuntu 9.10
[12:01] <Yoshi47> may gnome key ring has somethign to do with it, i don't know
[12:07] <MaxFrames> :((( I am trying to install synergy-plus to see if it solves the issue (I already upgraded the windows machine to it, now I'm trying to update the xubuntu machine)
[12:07] <MaxFrames> I am following these instructions: https://launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ppa
[12:07] <MaxFrames> I cannot register the PGP key of the package, the keyserver times out :((
[12:07] <MaxFrames> so I cannot install synergy-plus
[12:09] <MaxFrames> is keyserver.ubuntu.com even the right address?
[12:12] <Yoshi47> don't know but some one in ubuntu said some servers where out
[12:18] <MaxFrames> .... at last, it responded
[12:18] <MaxFrames> now I am installing synergy+ on both machines, let's hope it fixes the issue
[12:20] <MaxFrames> in case it doesn't, can you suggest the best path to return to 9.04?
[12:22]  * MaxFrames clears throat
[12:29] <MaxFrames> still not working, all is lost :(
[12:38] <MaxFrames> currently I am trying to make synergyc quit after the logon screen and then load again in the user context
[12:39] <MaxFrames> because apparently restarting it cures the issue
[12:43] <MaxFrames> while I wait for reboot: do you also now get a flickering "dotted" plain xwindows background after issuing a reboot/halt?
[12:45] <MaxFrames> YESSSS! problem solved!!!! synergyc must be loaded for the logon screen, then unloaded, then loaded again
[12:45] <Yoshi47> nice
[12:45] <Yoshi47> really
[12:45] <MaxFrames> apparently, if it is running during the logon process, somehow settings are messed up
[12:46] <Yoshi47> umm
[12:46] <Yoshi47> login manager language maybe
[12:46] <MaxFrames> although that was not a problem with 9.04
[12:46] <Yoshi47> i know the new gdm has it
[12:46] <Yoshi47> n ope gdm changed since then
[12:46] <MaxFrames> ok, so that must be the issue
[12:46] <MaxFrames> possibly my gdm is set up for US
[12:46] <Yoshi47> something like that yea
[12:46] <Yoshi47> open a bug up maybe on synergy?
[12:46] <Yoshi47> you will help improve it
[12:47] <Yoshi47> since you rely on it so much
[12:47] <MaxFrames> do you know how to check the gdm language?
[12:47] <Yoshi47> mine just showed it at the bottom you could select it, like on the taskbar when viewing the login screen
[12:47] <MaxFrames> oh, ok, so it's italian already
[12:48] <MaxFrames> anyway.. I have found the hint about loading/unloading/reloading synergyc here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=564405
[12:48] <MaxFrames> I have made all the modifications outlined there, and it works
[12:48] <MaxFrames> well, I am going out for a well deserved lunchtime :)
[12:49] <Yoshi47> lunch, where are you
[12:49] <MaxFrames> italy, and late for lunch by about 50 minutes :D
[12:49] <Shockrates> hi
[12:49] <Shockrates> how do i mount a ntfs secondary drive
[12:49] <Shockrates> ?
[12:49] <MaxFrames> see you later
[12:49] <Yoshi47> Shockrates, command line?
[12:49] <Yoshi47> or gui
[12:49] <Shockrates> the easiest way
[12:50] <Yoshi47> xubuntu 9.10 or 9.04
[12:50] <Shockrates> 910
[12:50] <Yoshi47> when you plug it in it doesn't come up in thunar? or on your desktop?
[12:50] <Shockrates> its a hdd
[12:50] <Shockrates> internal
[12:50] <Yoshi47> oh
[12:50] <Yoshi47> do you want it always to mount on boot
[12:50] <Shockrates> yes
[12:50] <Yoshi47> you will have to add a line to fstab then
[12:51] <Shockrates> a thing i did some time ago
[12:51] <Shockrates> was to run fdisk
[12:51] <Shockrates> and then mount it to some place
[12:52] <Yoshi47> read this it might be what you want http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=785263
[12:53] <Shockrates> i have no internet access to that pc
[12:54] <Yoshi47> umm, never?
[12:55] <Yoshi47> but something like this in your /etc/fstab
[12:55] <Yoshi47> /dev/sda4       /windows        ntfs    defaults,noatime   0       0
[12:55] <Yoshi47> but change to suit your needs
[12:55] <Shockrates> how can i share an internet access between kubuntu and xubuntu using ethernet? i have a laptop with wifi that has internet connection and a desktop pc
[12:55] <Yoshi47> of course
[12:55] <Animagladius> Hi
[12:55] <Yoshi47> Shockrates, thats a whole diff sotry
[12:55] <Shockrates> yes i need this one
[12:55] <Shockrates> i found the solution for mount
[12:56] <Yoshi47> but possible, you rneed to bridge your lan to your wifi on your one and then set you wifi as a AP
[12:56] <Yoshi47> Animagladius, HI
[12:57] <Animagladius> Hi Yoshi47
[13:18] <Shockrates> whats the xubuntu text editor command
[13:18] <Sysi> mousepad is default graphical
[13:20] <Shockrates> and the command for it
[13:20] <Shockrates> like gedit
[13:20] <Sysi> mousepad
[13:22] <Shockrates> thanks
[13:26] <Laserbeak> hello
[13:27] <Laserbeak> xubuntu recognizes my soundcard and nothing is muted and all channels are turned up, but i get no sound
[13:27] <Laserbeak> can someone help?
[13:28] <Laserbeak> whoops
[13:29] <venezolana> 	 I need to install xubuntu excel in an application that uses the company
[13:30] <venezolana> 	 because the plugin is to excel
[13:30] <venezolana> who knows?
[13:32] <knome> venezolana, sorry, but can you try to rephrase?
[13:33] <venezolana> I need install excel in xubuntu
[13:34] <knome> venezolana, then you will have to install it under wine or use a virtualization software and install windows and then excel.
[13:34] <venezolana> 	 because there is an application in the enterprise that works only in Excel
[13:37] <venezolana> 	 yes, I'm testing with wine
[13:37] <venezolana> 	 wanted to know if there were other options
[13:38] <venezolana> thanks, knome.
[13:38] <knome> np
[13:38] <venezolana> what is np?
[13:41] <knome> np == "no problem"
[13:42] <MaxFrames> re
[13:43] <MaxFrames> how do I restore the need to type a username to logon? the new gdm's users list is a security risk
[13:48] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, is your password that bad
[13:48] <MaxFrames> mine is not. other's... I don't know
[13:49] <MaxFrames> oh found out
[13:49] <MaxFrames> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list 'true'
[13:50] <MaxFrames> anyway in my case (PIII 733, 320 MB RAM) the new gdm didn't pay off because it's both slower and with less options than it used to be
 i want to share the internet connection between a kubuntu and xubuntu box via ethernet. they kubuntu box only has internet access
[13:51] <Shockrates> --> agelos (n=agelos@ppp089210213146.dsl.hol.gr) has joined #kubuntu
 how can i do it?
[13:51] <MaxFrames> I suppose with 10.04 I'll have to choose whether to scrap this PC or go Puppy Linux
[13:52] <knome> MaxFrames, the gdm and its options might change for 10.04 as there is many regressions.
[13:53] <knome> MaxFrames, for xubuntu, we might even migrate to some other display manager.
[13:53] <MaxFrames> Shockrates: already googled? eg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[13:55] <Shockrates> inst there an easy gui way?
[13:56] <valus> hey all
[13:56] <valus> i'm using xubuntu for about a week now and just want to tell that's a marvellous operating system
[13:56] <valus> powerfull as a linux
[13:57] <valus> many packages as a debian
[13:57] <valus> and ressources costless with xfce
[13:57] <valus> the only problem i had was to access network shares but now i use samb4k
[14:05] <MaxFrames> it's ok. it just gives me a day of headache every time I upgrade the distribution, but overall it's a fine OS
[14:37] <flan_suse> I'm having a problem with saving my wireless WPA passhprase using Xubuntu. I have "Start GNOME services" enabled, and I also installed "Seahorse" via Synaptics.
[14:38] <flan_suse> However, the NetworkManager is not saving my WPA passphrase. And the one time it did, it left it unprotected (plaintext, not a hash, like GNOME does.)
[14:38] <flan_suse> When I open up Seahorse, I cannot "change password" for the login key.
[14:38] <flan_suse> Please, any help would be appreciated.
[14:54] <Animagladius> wtf @ NickDeNeger
[15:05] <Nomecasuale> Hi
[15:05] <Nomecasuale> is there somebody who could help me installing Xubuntu?
[15:05] <hellothere> Where do you come from!
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> is there anybody who could help me installing Xubuntu?
[15:06] <Sysi> !ask
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> Italy!
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> Oh, thanks
[15:06] <hellothere> Pizzza spaghettti
[15:06] <hellothere> mafia romola
[15:07] <Nomecasuale> So, I would like to install Xubuntu, but I'm not expert at all, I don't know how to start!
[15:07] <hellothere> insert cd and press start!
[15:07] <Nomecasuale> Ehehe Mamma mia pizza mandolino :D
[15:08] <hellothere> :-*
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> I do not have a CD
[15:08] <hellothere> oh please
[15:08] <hellothere> everybody has a CD
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> Not me!
[15:08] <Shockrates> hi how to i change the encoding of a txt with kate?
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> Should I go out to buy it?
[15:09] <ablomen> Nomecasuale, http://xubuntu.org/get
[15:09] <ablomen> you can download it there
[15:09] <Nomecasuale> Ok, I'm taking a look
[15:10] <Shockrates> and then burn it with imgburn if you use windows
[15:10] <Shockrates> or something else
[15:10] <Nomecasuale> Oh, I understand
[15:11] <Nomecasuale> Then I suppouse I have to boot it from the bios
[15:11] <Nomecasuale> is that correct?
[15:12] <knome> Nomecasuale, yes, set bios to boot from CD, put the cd in and restart
[15:12] <Nomecasuale> Ok, perfect
[15:13] <Nomecasuale> Mmm
[15:13] <Nomecasuale> I have to partition on my hard disk in Windows
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> How does it works to put Linux on a partition?
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> Is it different?
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> Sorry, I meant two partitions ;)
[15:16] <knome> Nomecasuale, no, linux partitions can be created like windows ones. they are usually formatted to other filesystems (ext3) than the windows partitions
[15:19] <Nomecasuale> Ok; Installing Linux will delete some information in my hard disk? How can I set the boot type at the beginning of my session?
[15:19] <Nomecasuale> (If I'm disturbing with so much questions please just tell me)
[15:20] <knome> Nomecasuale, no, if you install linux into empty partitions, nothing will be changed
[15:20] <knome> Nomecasuale, (x)ubuntu installs grub in the hard drive MBR, which controls which OS you want to boot
[15:21] <knome> Nomecasuale, it usually automagically notices that there is a windows installation and adds it to the boot list
[15:22] <ceafu> I am interested in removing pulseaudio completely from Xubuntu. I had ubuntu, installed xubuntu-desktop, and now removed all ubuntu stuffs. Is anyone running Xubuntu without pulseaudio ?
[15:22] <ceafu> 9.10 Karmic that is
[15:41] <Nomecasuale> Hi all, my connection went down, I took the opportunity to buy a CD
[15:42] <Nomecasuale> I was asking: if I have 2 Windows partitions, both with some data, is it possible to avoid data loosing?
[15:44] <knome> Nomecasuale, there are some tools with which you can resize windows partitions without losing data on them
[15:45] <Nomecasuale> Oh, perfect, how do they work?
[15:45] <knome> like a normal partitioner :P
[15:45] <knome> one of them is acronis partitionexpert
[15:45] <knome> that's not free though
[15:46] <knome> and i don't know of a free alternative
[15:46] <Nomecasuale> OMG, maybe my skills in informatics are too low to get start with Linux
[15:48] <knome> Nomecasuale, do you have a spare HD?
[15:49] <Nomecasuale> It's not spared physiccally, just two partition I think: it's a notebook, I bought it this way
[15:50] <Nomecasuale> the one that has Windows is quite full, the other has some space
[15:51] <knome> right. i meant that if you have one more HD you could use in installing linux
[15:51] <knome> Nomecasuale, you can also use wubi, which installs ubuntu inside windows
[15:51] <knome> bbl ->
[15:52] <Nomecasuale> Mmm, I have an old machine, I need Xubuntu
[15:52] <Nomecasuale> And I have DSL on Windows
[15:53] <Nomecasuale> But even DSL in windows works slowly
[15:53] <Nomecasuale> and it runs on a little windows
[15:54] <Nomecasuale> :(
[15:55] <Nomecasuale> However, are the data in the second HD (if it is in effect a second HD) in danger?
[15:58] <Nomecasuale> Installing DSL, instead of Xubuntu, would avoid the loss of data? Does DSL require its own HD?
[15:59] <oolon> is there still issues with 64bit os's and flash?
[15:59] <likemindead> Anyone know what the deal is with this ugliness I'm getting with any & all notifications?
[15:59] <likemindead> http://imagebin.ca/img/yvra3e.png
[16:00] <MaxFrames> likemindead: 9.10? was it ok in 9.04?
[16:01] <likemindead> Yes on both accounts.
[16:02] <MaxFrames> any chance you have an nvida gfx chip?
[16:02] <likemindead> It's the only issue I've had with 9.10 & I've been using it since Alpha 6.
[16:02] <likemindead> Nope. Old ghetto ATI Rage or something.
[16:02] <likemindead> PIII laptop with 1GB RAM.
[16:03] <MaxFrames> mm, a PIII fellow :) me too
[16:03] <MaxFrames> is this an upgrade or a fresh 9.10 install?
[16:03] <likemindead> Fresh install (at Alpha 6).
[16:04] <MaxFrames> I'm no expert, but have you tried to do some apt-get housecleaning and then check for updated packages?
[16:04] <likemindead> Haven't tried anything yet. Was hoping it might be fixed by the final release time.
[16:05] <MaxFrames> Or to play a bit with screen resolution-color depth-graphic theme?
[16:05] <likemindead> I'll give that a go.
[16:05] <likemindead> I'm going to boot the Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD too & see if the same problem is there.
[16:05] <MaxFrames> I'm guessing possibly incomplete gfx card support=>clean obsolete packages
[16:05] <MaxFrames> yes, good idea
[16:06] <MaxFrames> I had a similar issue anyway back with 6.x
[16:06] <MaxFrames> if I recall well, it went away with 8.04
[16:06] <MaxFrames> I had artifacts on many window borders
[16:16] <oolon> im gonna try the 64 bit version for the first time. seems nvidia will play nice with newer beta 190.*
[16:56] <Naxzul> hello
[17:02] <hellothere> Hello Naxzul care ye to introduce you?
[17:02] <Laserbeak> hello, xubuntu recognizes my soundcard and alsamixer is turned all the way up, speakers are on, nothing is muted, but i'm not getting sound
[17:03] <Laserbeak> ahh is it cause i'm not a member of the use audio devices group?
[17:04] <hellothere> i don't know, do you have a membercard?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Could be
[17:05] <Laserbeak> do i have to restart xserver after i add myself to audio?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> You have to logout and login so it knows you changed what the user can do
[17:07] <Laserbeak> k thx
[17:07] <Laserbeak> brb
[17:09] <Laserbeak> hmm still no sound\
[17:10] <charlie-tca> dumb question time: speakers turned on?
[17:10] <Laserbeak> yeah
[17:10] <Laserbeak> nothing muted
[17:10] <Laserbeak> speakers plugged in
[17:10] <Laserbeak> mixer recognizes card
[17:11] <Laserbeak> gonna try the default card....
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Might try different jack in the card
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I got one with three output jacks, if I hit the wrong jacks, it won't make no sound at all
[17:13] <Laserbeak> yeah
[17:13] <Laserbeak> this is a cheap usb with only one audio out/in
[17:13] <Laserbeak> but it worked on every os i used it on
[17:13] <Laserbeak> ok didn't try default card yet lol
[17:14] <Laserbeak> default card is fine
[17:14] <Laserbeak> but the reason i don't use it is cause only one channel works
[17:15] <charlie-tca> The card is recognized, right?
[17:15] <Laserbeak> yep both cards
[17:15] <charlie-tca> dumb question again
[17:15] <charlie-tca> sorry
[17:15] <Laserbeak> nah it's what u gotta do to make sure stuff is working
[17:15] <charlie-tca> somebody else will have to jump here
[17:16] <Laserbeak> well, thanks for trying
[17:16] <Laserbeak> but my biggest problem is yet to come(getting xubuntu to boot xserver with my nvidia card plugged in)
[17:16] <Laserbeak> dual monitors
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. I hear karmic is not playing nice with dual monitors
[17:17] <Laserbeak> karmic?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> 9.10
[17:18] <Laserbeak> oh im on 9.04
[17:18] <Laserbeak> when i click UPGRADE in the update manager
[17:18] <Laserbeak> i get an error saying my net settings are wrong(??)
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Should be easy then. Use the nvidia program, is it twinview?
[17:18] <Laserbeak> but i downloaded all of 9.04's update
[17:18] <Laserbeak> s
[17:18] <charlie-tca> are you using static ip?
[17:19] <Laserbeak> no it's a 3rd party card
[17:19] <Laserbeak> i want to use two cards at once
[17:21] <Laserbeak> how do i switch between devices in terminal's version of alsamixer?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Don't know.
[17:22] <charlie-tca> alsamixer -c {card: #}
[17:23] <Laserbeak> that did it thansk
[17:23] <Laserbeak> thanks
[17:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:24] <charlie-tca> at least I helped a tiny bit
[17:24] <charlie-tca> feel a bit less useless now
[17:24] <Laserbeak> hehe but i told you you weren't lol
[17:24] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:25] <Laserbeak> still, i think i might have to go to the sister channel(more users to ask me questions)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> True
[17:26] <Laserbeak> i'll let you know what happens
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:26] <charlie-tca> good luck
[17:26] <Laserbeak> thx
[17:32] <Naxzul> oh sorry i forgot i had this window running
[17:32] <Naxzul> :p
[17:32] <Naxzul> hmm im just curious and downloading the xubuntu (recently discovered xfce so..) and i wanted to see how the channel goes..
[17:34] <Laserbeak> usually a great channle iirc
[17:34] <Laserbeak> kinda quiet atm
[17:34] <Naxzul> ah ok
[17:34] <Laserbeak> i haven't used xubuntu in a while myself
[17:34] <Naxzul> what distro you're currently running then?
[17:37] <Laserbeak> oh im mainly a windows user
[17:37] <Naxzul> oh..
[17:37] <Laserbeak> but i've always wanted to get into linux
[17:37] <Naxzul> i run windows only for resident evil 5 :P
[17:38] <Laserbeak> cause sometimes you lose your key and end up having to steal the softwar
[17:38] <Naxzul> and im still looking for a distro that suits me.. id love to try gentoo but im too lazy to wait for days to have it installed
[17:38] <Laserbeak> e
[17:38] <Laserbeak> which is a pain in the butt
[17:38] <Laserbeak> why days to install?
[17:38] <Naxzul> because i would have to install quite a few things
[17:39] <Laserbeak> yeah i'm trying to fix audio.video right now
[17:39] <Naxzul> sabayon is cool though...
[17:40] <Laserbeak> sabayon? nver heard of it
[17:40] <hellothere> sabayon lul
[17:41] <Laserbeak> lul? someone told me lul is dutch for c**k
[17:43] <Naxzul> why lul?
[17:43] <Naxzul> sabayon is really cool.. some of the devs aren't, but the distro is nice to use
[17:43] <Naxzul> :/
[17:44] <Laserbeak> oh it's a distro
[17:44] <Laserbeak> well off to the forums
[17:44] <hellothere> last time a put the sabayon piece of livecd into my drive and booted it it couldnt even play multimedia files with its xboxmediaplayawuteveritiscalled
[17:44] <Laserbeak> no help in #ubuntu
[17:44] <Naxzul> Laserbeak: what's the problem?
[17:44]  * Laserbeak copies and pastes
[17:45] <Naxzul> hellothere: yes, you'll have some trouble with the sound in 5.0.. guess you're using the hda intel?
[17:45] <Laserbeak> hello I have 2 soundcards, both recognized by Alsamixer. all channels are unmuted and volume is up. the problem is, one is broken and i don't use it cause it outputs on one channel. the other works on every OS i've used it on, but gives me no sound on this installation. I've added myself tothe use audio devices group, plugged everything in and turned the speakers all the way up and still get nothing can someone pls help?
[17:45] <hellothere> i'm very much so using the hda intel
[17:45] <Naxzul> had the same problem.. removing and reinstalling pulseaudio helped:p
[17:46] <Naxzul> Laserbeak: tried disabling one of the cards?
[17:47] <Laserbeak> no...
[17:47] <Naxzul> could fix it.
[17:47] <Laserbeak> how do i do that?
[17:48] <Laserbeak> and i'm not using pulseaudio according to what apt says
[17:48] <Laserbeak> just alsa
[17:48] <jarnos> Can you install grub to alternate position than MBR, when you install Xubuntu by the desktop CD?
[17:49] <Laserbeak> i think so jarnos, i have no idea how though
[17:51] <knome> jarnos, yes, it's a choice in the "confirm installation" (or sth like that) page
[17:56] <jarnos> knome: great
[18:00] <maxwell> Is anyone else finding that the new Xubuntu boots a little faster, but is super laggy when one is using it?
[18:01] <Naxzul> does xubuntu ship with compiz?
[18:01] <hellothere> yess
[18:01] <Sysi> no
[18:01] <Naxzul> who of you should i trust?:P
[18:02] <maxwell> Me ^-^
[18:02] <Naxzul> you said nothing:/
[18:02] <Sysi> there is composing opacities but that's not compiz
[18:02] <Naxzul> ah.. i love transparencies.. my transparent thunar is so cool ^^
[18:07] <hellothere> you can ,make yer desktop cute w/ compizz
[18:08] <skysong> without you mean?
[18:08] <skysong> oh i don't mind having it ...
[18:09] <Sysi> i installed compiz but i decided that original composing was better
[18:10] <skysong> but do original compositing allow you to add transparency to thunar?
[18:10] <Laserbeak> holy shit
[18:10] <Laserbeak> working so well now i damaged my ears
[18:10] <Sysi> i don't think so
[18:10] <skysong> thing is thats what made me move from windows to linux, i would never get a desktop as cute as this in windows;)
[18:10] <skysong> congrats Laserbeak :)
[18:11] <Laserbeak> thx
[18:11] <skysong> anytime:)
[18:11]  * Laserbeak shakes his head vigorously
[18:11] <Laserbeak> are you naxxoul?
[18:11] <Laserbeak> naxxul
[18:11] <skysong> yeah
[18:11] <Laserbeak> oh ok yeah thx!
[18:11]  * Laserbeak goes to emergency room :)
[18:33] <at133> Hi, I just installed xubuntu 9.10 and I can't get my wireless working. In past versions of kubuntu and ubuntu it has worked fine on install. I am following the troubleshooting area on the wiki, but I don't have a network manager icon in my systray. Is there a way to put it there?
[19:35] <ron_o> can anyone tell me why there are so many resolutions with wallpaper? Why do you need it?
[19:35] <ron_o> it doesn't seem like mines  a problem unless I get one too small.
[19:59] <doktor_dre> join group "give us old grub we don't wanne grub2" on facebook!!!!!
[19:59] <knome> doktor_dre, what's wrong with grub2?
[20:00] <doktor_dre> no menu.lst !!!!
[20:01] <doktor_dre> essential for good computering
[20:28] <tobiasa> just me having problems with task popups that is not clickable?
[20:28] <tobiasa> and flashing if I put the mouse over them
[20:40] <Laserbeak> hello, i was getting a message "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".K2 - Fatal Error: CHost::Init() - Unable to find a suitable FBConfig" so i installed mesa-utils and when i try to run glxgears i get the message "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" what do i do?
[20:47] <fede> hi
[20:48] <fede> i have a question... this is the right place?
[20:50] <Sysi> !hi
[20:55] <veneficuz> Hi, I
[20:55] <veneficuz> I am having some problems installing from the Alternate disk
[20:55] <veneficuz> it is currently stuck on "setting user and password", anyone else had that problem?
[20:56] <veneficuz> in the /var/log/syslog it says "user-setup: Done", but then nothing happens
[21:05] <fede> no sorry
[21:05] <veneficuz> was afraid of that
[21:06] <Sysi> disc checked?
[21:06] <_Techie_> have you tried checking the disc then starting again?
[21:06] <veneficuz> I'm doing the disk check now
[21:06] <Sysi> mine laptop booted to installation finally \o/
[21:07] <_Techie_> Sysi, what do you reckon of karmic?
[21:07] <Sysi> bad gdm, irritating popups
[21:07] <Sysi> very fast, and rather goodlooking
[21:08] <fede> my question is: I have done a ubuntu server installation. But now i want a simple graphical system, like xubuntu (which i feel comfortable on laptop) to manage it remotely via vnc. What should apt-get to get this xubuntu-server hybrid done?
[21:08] <Sysi> xdmcp has been made difficult but i'm not sure if i need it anymore :P
[21:08] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[21:08] <fede> :o
[21:09] <Sysi> i'd think xdmcp work for remote control
[21:10] <Sysi> bu i've only tried it in jaunty
[21:10] <Sysi> that was very easy, not with karmic, not sure about LTS
[21:10] <veneficuz> the CD passed the check without any problems, so that does not seem to be the reason for the stopped installer :(
[21:11] <Sysi> try again?
[21:11] <veneficuz> yeah, I'm restarting the install now and hoping it was just a fluke
[21:12] <veneficuz> is there a better way to get full disk-encryption? since that is the only reason I'm using the Alternate install disk
[21:14] <fede> _Techie_: thanks very much, i'm downloading right now :)
[21:15] <_Techie_> no problem fede
[21:15] <fede> Sysi: when done, i will check what's xdmcp, thanks for info
[21:17] <wormsik> hello...can I ask about grub problem in xubuntu 9.10?
[21:17] <_Techie_> !ask
[21:19] <Sysi> fede: basically same with xfce: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28158/Remote_Login_via_XDMCP_on_Ubuntu
[21:20] <wormsik> I've just installed xubuntu 9.10 on notebook...I have got splitted HDD with Win XP, but after succesfull installation and reboot I got into grub, but when I tried to boot Xubuntu, it returned error: no such device: and lot of numebers and letters...I don't know whats wrong, but maybe can it be caused by floppy drive?
[21:28] <zool> just installed new 9.10 xubuntu and for some reason my sound is gone ...
[21:28] <zool> can anyone help
[21:28] <_Techie_> alot of users seem to be having trouble with karmic
[21:29] <Sysi> not more than every release, i hink
[21:29] <_Techie_> if you problem seems as though it could be general ubuntu rather than xubuntu specific you could also ask in #ubuntu where you would most likely get a better response
[21:30] <Sysi> it would be good if some general genious would be here
[21:30] <wormsik> if you have a problem with the sound (i've got same problem in karmic beta), try to type in console sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[21:31] <_Techie_> wormsik, did you mean /usr/sbin/alsa ?
[21:33] <_Techie_> yay, time to load my jaunty USB, be back soon
[21:35] <zool> did "sudo alsa force-reload" no information was shown and the sound is still not working
[21:36] <zool> did u get it to work
[21:37] <zool> in jaunty I removed a lot of packages to reduce the load but the sound was working ok
[21:37] <_Techie_> whoopsie, forgort to transfer my 4gig casper drive, i aint goin very far on 1 gig
[21:37] <zool> perhaps I can try a reinstall of some key sound packages
[21:38] <dave_> looking for help troubleshooting power management on an older dell laptop
[21:55] <_Techie_> yay USB time
[22:32] <slow-motion> hi
[23:05] <a> why hello!
[23:05] <Animagladius> I don't know!
[23:07] <knome> !hi | a
[23:08] <a> so... i'm very much a noob and the taskbars on the top and bottom of the screen have disappeared =O
[23:08] <a> is there a magical <and easy> way to make them come back?
[23:09] <knome> a, alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[23:09] <Sysi> press alt + f2 type: xfce4-panel
[23:09] <knome> Sysi, slooooooow
[23:09] <knome> ;)
[23:09] <a> zomg you guys are amazing!
[23:09] <Sysi> your line wasn't good :P
[23:10] <a> all the stuff on the internets was for ubuntu and kept saying to do the same thing but with gnome so i was a tad confused about that >.<
[23:11] <knome> Sysi, your mom wasn't good ;(
[23:12] <Sysi> i'll go sleeping..
[23:12] <knome> hehe :D
[23:12] <knome> night Sysi ;)
[23:13] <Sysi> night
[23:13] <a> tyvm for your help everyone!
[23:22] <MrNaz_cic> what plugins do i need for totem to play dvds?
[23:23] <knome> !dvd | MrNaz_cic
[23:27] <fede> !victory
[23:27] <fede> but i do :)
[23:27] <johnnym_> hello
[23:29] <MrNaz_cic> knome 9.10 apparently deprecated restricted-extras for a different meta package
[23:30] <knome> hmm, i can't remember that being discussed...
[23:30] <knome> you might be correct though
[23:30] <MrNaz_cic> perhaps i'm confusing that with the hal deprecation then
[23:30] <MrNaz_cic> i know there were quite a few changes