[00:00] <cosmic303> this is sure the strangest thing i ever had..ill just backup my data and do a fresh install...
[00:00] <avihay> drakon: do you know your way around VI?
[00:00] <CupofDice> anyone have a link to what is supposed to be in sources.list on 64 bit Karma? upgrade didn't add anything
[00:00] <drakon> Not really
[00:01] <avihay> you can replace vi in the line above with nano. ctrl+x to exit, will ask you if you want to save changes
[00:02] <avihay> ok you can use a gui editor
[00:06] <callnett> hello guys, i need your help. how can i made update from ubuntu 9.10 beta ?
[00:07] <Dragnslcr> As far as I know, just update normally
[00:08] <callnett> just tell me how please
[00:08] <callnett> i dont find the update manager
[00:10] <MrDarkUser> I just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, it crashed X but at least gave me prompts enough to get back up
[00:10] <MrDarkUser> callnett: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ?
[00:10] <MrDarkUser> callnett: if you use a graphical manager, it should tell you an update is available
[00:13] <cosmic303> ok..just googled for a bit, and it really seems like the monitor just gave up...nothin to do with the update...
[00:14] <cosmic303> finally a reason to buy a 22" widescreen i guess..lol
[00:14] <ajohnsen> hi, after upgrade some gtk-programs have started to be rendered a bit weird. text and stuff like that, dissapearing. is this a known problem?
[00:14] <cosmic303> thx for the help anyway :)
[00:19] <callnett> MrDarkUser: sorry but i didn't find
[00:20] <Dragnslcr> callnett- if you've been using a pre-release version of 9.10, you're already using the 9.10 repositories. You can update all of your packages the same way you would normally update, such as using KPackageKit
[00:21] <ajohnsen> argh, gtk is totally broken :(
[00:24] <callnett> MrDarkUser: i dont know what i'm using or how can i made this update, sorry but i'm new here
[00:25] <mofux> aaaah, help
[00:26] <mofux> upgrading my kubuntu caused a crash (in kdesudo) while installing
[00:26] <mofux> now nothing is working :(
[00:26] <mofux> i could not restart the installation because there were some files missing
[00:26] <mofux> pygtk or something
[00:27] <mofux> apt-get did not work due to a lock
[00:27] <mofux> so i did a reboot
[00:27] <mofux> and now *bang*... it hangs when trying to mount my disks
[00:33] <mofux> :X
[00:34] <Ahmuck> mofux: use aptitude
[00:34] <mofux> i don't get that far :(
[00:34] <Ahmuck> mofux: u can unlock apt-get
[00:34] <mofux> i tried to start in recovery mode
[00:35] <mofux> but mounting my windows drives makes it hang
[00:35] <mofux> no clue why
[00:35] <mofux> i think it has installed a few packages already
[00:35] <mofux> and removed some others
[00:35] <Ahmuck> so ur in kubuntu and your unable to mount your windows drive?
[00:35] <mofux> and then it crashed an everything is messed up :-/
[00:35] <Ahmuck> what is the state of your system currently?
[00:35] <mofux> no, i'm in osx right now
[00:35] <ajohnsen> mofux: so it's really early in the boot-process it hangs?
[00:35] <mofux> kubuntu doesn't boot up
[00:36] <mofux> yup
[00:36] <mofux> really early
[00:36] <mofux> when it tries to automount my partitions
[00:36] <ajohnsen> mofux: can you access your linux drive from osx?
[00:36] <mofux> yes, i think so
[00:37] <ajohnsen> You can try and edit /etc/fstab to not mount the windows drive
[00:38] <mofux> ok, i'll try
[00:38] <mofux> what can i do to "resume" the dist upgrade?
[00:38] <mofux> simply aptitude dist-upgrade ?
[00:38] <Dragnslcr> Probably
[00:38] <ajohnsen> mofux: yeah, look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[00:39] <Dragnslcr> You can check your apt sources to see if they've already been switched to karmic
[00:39] <ajohnsen> mofux: in the bottom of the page, there is a small guite on how to continue
[00:39] <callnett> hello guys, i need your help. how can i made update from ubuntu 9.10 beta ?
[00:40] <ajohnsen> callnett: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:40] <len> Anyone else having problems with xorg stability in 9.10?  The open source ati driver is not working well for me.
[00:40] <Dragnslcr> callnett- just update normally through KPackageKit
[00:40] <mofux> ajohnsen: thx, i'll try and report back
[00:41] <callnett> Dragnslcr: thanks but where can i find Kpackage kit
[00:42] <ajohnsen> callnett: alt-f2 and type kpackage kit
[00:42] <Dragnslcr> callnett- K Menu -> Applications -> System
[00:42] <Dragnslcr> callnett- or start typing "kpackagekit" in the search box of the menu
[00:44] <kebomix> i installed ATI driver from this command "apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx" , , but still can't enable effects ?
[00:44] <callnett> Dragnslcr: kpackagekit not a file or directory
[00:45] <callnett> Dragnslcr: i got this message
[00:45] <Byron> Is plasma-netbook supposed to be on top of the KDE desktop?
[00:45] <Dragnslcr> callnett- where did you get that?
[00:45] <callnett> Dragnslcr: alt-f2
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> callnett- that's not what I told you to do
[00:46] <callnett> Dragnslcr: sorry
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> callnett- K Menu -> Applications -> System
[00:46] <cpdstudio> test
[00:46] <Dragnslcr> callnett- or start typing "kpackagekit" in the search box of the menu. After "kp", kpackagekit should be the only thing you see
[00:51] <buckethead> I've managed to screw something up.. I don't have tab completion in apt-get anymore, what did I screw up?
[00:58] <denali> What do you do if update-notifier-kde crashes during install and it won't restart?
[01:02] <denali> Anyone?
[01:02] <callnett> Dragnslcr: now is downoading 308 updates, 3 bug fix updates, 9 security updates, 11 blocked updates
[01:03] <callnett> Dragnslcr: is that all right?
[01:03] <Dragnslcr> callnett- sounds about right
[01:03] <callnett> Dragnslcr: ok
[01:04] <Ahmuck> congratulations to the kubuntu team.  this release is right on the money.
[01:04] <alid> I accidentally removed a bunch of packages from my kubuntu 9.10 and now I am unable to play any multimedia files. Is there anyway to recover it? I really can't reinstall it. Any ideas?
[01:04] <Ahmuck> i'm very happy with the upgrade.  more than usually happy
[01:05] <Ahmuck> alid, what multimedia packages?
[01:05] <Ahmuck> alid, and what media are you wanting to play
[01:05] <alid> Ahmuck: libavcodec52 and libavformat52 and all their dependencies.
[01:06] <Ahmuck> r u familiar with the command line?
[01:06] <alid> Ahmuck: Now none of my media files are being played anymore. From mp3 to avi, etc.
[01:06] <alid> Ahmuck: Yes. Sort of.
[01:07] <denali> Can someone tell me how to finish an upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 when update-notifier-kde crashes and won't restart?
[01:08] <Ahmuck> open a terminal and then type "sudo aptitude install libavcodec52 libavformat52"
[01:08] <claydoh> denali: where did it crash? during downloading of packages?
[01:09] <Ahmuck> alid:
[01:09] <claydoh> denali: or somewhere else?
[01:09] <denali> claydoh: During installing the packages.  It died at 88% while setting up CUPS.
[01:09] <claydoh> denali: try running this from a terminal:
[01:10] <Ev0luti0n_> OMFG
[01:10] <claydoh> denali: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:10] <Ev0luti0n_> what happened to the shoutcast icon on amarok? is it gone, shoutcast radio listing directly through amarok?
[01:10] <Ahmuck> denali: is it still running?
[01:11] <Ahmuck> cups will open a dialog asking if you want to overwrite your custom cups configuration
[01:11] <claydoh> denali: that should make all the downloaded packages install
[01:11] <denali> claydoh:  It says database is locked.
[01:12] <claydoh> denali: hmm
[01:12] <denali> Ahmuck: No, but I think it may have a python script running.
[01:12]  * claydoh thinks.... and it hurts to  do so :/
[01:13] <claydoh> denali: does theerror message specfy a file?
[01:13] <denali> claydoh: No.
[01:14] <Yamiko> Installing the flgrx proprietary ATI driver under Karmic is making kwin crash repeatedly upon boot; without it, my graphics card runs WAY too hot, I found under Jaunty. How do I a) get it to the point where I can do anything (some kind of safe mode?) and b) is there some other driver I should be using?
[01:15] <denali> claydoh: Ok, I found the stuck task and killed it.  I'm trying your idea now.
[01:15] <claydoh> denali: good, i was looking for what it would be
[01:18] <denali> What version of Open Office does 9.10 have?
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> denali: 3.1.1
[01:19] <MrDarkUser> my wpa stopped working after upgrading to 9.10 from 9.04
[01:19] <denali> JontheEchidna: Ok, ty.
[01:21] <alid> Ahmuck: I did it and could retrieve those two packages back. But still I am unable to play any media file.
[01:22] <ptc> In KDE, the application khotkeys offers a feature so I can bind a key shortcut to type out a string (e.g: when I press Win+H it types out "http://") ...Is there any similar application in Gnome?
[01:22] <Ahmuck> alid: what multimedia packages do you have installed?
[01:23] <alid> Ahmuck: I didn't install any packages. I just removed those two as well as all their dependencies.
[01:24] <alid> Ahmuck: Then I apt-get install those two, but no other dependencies got installed.
[01:24] <denali> claydoh: Ok, that finished.  What should I do next?
[01:24] <Ahmuck> alid: ok, i understand
[01:24] <Ahmuck> alid: ur on 9.10 correct?
[01:25] <alid> Ahmuck: Yes.
[01:25] <claydoh> denali: you should just have to reboot
[01:25] <Ahmuck> so, you want from a command line, "sudo aptitude install amarok dragon k3b"
[01:25] <denali> claydoh: Okie, I wasn't sure.  I couldn't remember if there was a step between setup packages and reboot.
[01:26] <Ahmuck> alid: and you may want vlc
[01:26] <claydoh> denali: you could  try running the updater again
[01:26] <Yamiko> I need to revert video drivers. How do I get into recovery mode? hitting escape and clicking "failsafe" under settings both won't let me log in at the login screen. Can I get into a prompt or something not requiring the video drivers?
[01:26] <denali> claydoh: I'm going to reboot now.  BRB :D
[01:26] <Ahmuck> alid: so, in short, "sudo aptitude install amarok dragon k3b vlc"
[01:26] <alid> Ahmuck: I already have it. It doesn't work though.
[01:26] <Ahmuck> alid: you have vlc?
[01:27] <alid> Ahmuck: Yes, I do.
[01:27] <alid> Ahmuck: The problem is not with applications. It is because of lack of some fundamental underlying codec modules.
[01:27] <alid> That is why I am going to repair my installation.
[01:28] <Ahmuck> k
[01:35] <callnett> THANK FOR EVERYONE WHO HELPS ME TO UPLOAD THE NEW VERSION OF UBUNTU, IT WORKS FINE, THANKS AGAIN
[01:37] <Nerdz> Hello
[01:38] <Nerdz> Is anyone else having problems with Firefox and Youtube Videos? I get video but no sound
[01:39] <paul___> I get that problem sometimes too
[01:40] <paul___> I reload my sound drivers and it works
[01:40] <paul___> try
[01:40] <paul___> alsa reload
[01:40] <paul___> or
[01:40] <paul___> alsa force-reload
[01:40] <Nerdz> Audio Works though
[01:40] <Nerdz> In Amarok
[01:40] <Nerdz> (I just upgraded to 9.10 today btw)
[01:40] <paul___> yeah same thing
[01:40] <Nerdz> Usually removing pulse audio works, but I dont seem to have that option
[01:41] <paul___> I can listen to music, but for some reason, it messes up if its flash
[01:41] <Nerdz> Oh wait, nvm, Pulseaudio IS installed
[01:41] <Nerdz> Purging now
[01:42] <Nerdz> brb lets see if that works
[01:42] <Yamiko> Is there a way to change the video drivers on my Karmic install when I've booted from the install disk?
[01:42] <paul___> anyone know any fortran ?
[01:44] <RussellAlan> hey guys
[01:46] <wojtek> hello, I've got a problem with grub - id error 15, I don't have dual boot (only kubuntu on my hdd)
[01:46] <wojtek> can anyone help me?
[01:48] <noth> I'm having an issue with koqueror and firefox not opening a new window from a flash dialog. Typical solution of adding to an exception list not working. Any ideas?
[01:50] <Nerdz> I got it to work
[01:50] <Nerdz> Pulse Audio FAILS
[01:51] <paul___> yeah strange
[01:51] <Nerdz> had to sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
[01:52] <KiRiLoS> Hello,i get the error:"Could not change permissions to <file>" when i try to copy files from a NTFS driver to another using dolphin.The one driver is just an external hdd and the other is a partition mounted to my system(I just mounted it a few minutes ago).I am using kubuntu 9.10,Thanks
[01:53] <cloudsynth> akonadi is broken in 9.10? I did a fresh install and it doesn't pick up kopete. is anyone else experiencing this?
[01:54] <Ahmuck> hi.  i have a black desktop background, and used to have white letters.  now the lettering is white fuzzy, like ghosts, and hard to read
[01:55] <Joelito> hi all, question: Where's the autologin in kubuntu karmic?
[01:55] <Ahmuck> Joelito: yes
[01:56] <Joelito> Ahmuck: Do you know where is it? :\
[01:58] <Ahmuck> yes, i do, however you've left
[01:58] <noth> cloudsynth: I am running the netbook version and had to install mysql-akonadi as well and still had errors... so I can confirm this
[01:58] <Ahmuck> system settings, system, login manager
[01:59] <Ahmuck> what is akonadi?
[01:59] <cloudsynth> Ahmuck: a notification program
[02:00] <cloudsynth> noth: yeah, but that's the netbook tech demo, it's not /required/ to work
[02:00] <Ahmuck> what does it notify?  i noticed there were like 2 notification programs?
[02:01] <Ahmuck> at first i thought it was a backup program
[02:02] <Yamiko> So now I can't log in at all. Can someone help me figure this out? I put in my password, a window pops up and vanishes too fast to see, and then it dumps me at the login prompt again. Using Karmic.
[02:05] <ASrock> how do i configure my virtual desktops to only show the applications on the panel in the workspace they are in
[02:06] <KiRiLoS> Hello,i get the error:"Could not change permissions to <file>" when i try to copy files from a NTFS driver to another using dolphin.The one driver is just an external hdd and the other is a partition mounted to my system(I just mounted it a few minutes ago).I am using kubuntu 9.10,Thanks
[02:08] <secleinteer> when i try to activate fglrx using the "hardware drivers" app, it crashes. so i instead manually installed xorg-driver-fglrx. when i restarted, kwin kept crashing. is there something i need to do other than just installing that package (and its dependencies)?
[02:10] <Yamiko> secleinteer: My research indicates that fglrx doesn't work under Karmic yet. Try ctrl-alt-f1 from the login prompt to get a command prompt, then  aptitude purge xorg-driver-fglrx && dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to uninstall so you can get your desktop back. From there... I'm still searching for an alternate solution.
[02:12] <secleinteer> Yamiko: that's too bad. i would use radeonhd, but it doesn't support hdmi audio output for my chipset. do you know what is causing this incompatibility with karmic? from what i understand, karmic is running 2.6.31. fglrx works just fine with my 2.6.30 gentoo system, so was the problem created when going from 30 to 31?
[02:12] <marion> hello!
[02:13] <Yamiko> secleinteer: I have no idea. But I came in here for the exact same issue and have yet to receive any response in here, so all I know is what I found through googling for the past horu
[02:13] <Yamiko> *hour
[02:13] <marion> I installed Kubuntu 9.04 and ran into the Intel graphic driver problem
[02:13] <marion> does anyone know if that's been fixed in 9.10?
[02:13] <JJman6> why won't su authenticate for me!  I use same pw for sudo all the time
[02:14] <marion> you have to do sudo passwd in a console first
[02:14] <secleinteer> Yamiko: i just found this "There is an unofficial 'ubuntu' preview-version of fglrx 9.10 which is said to be working with 2.6.31." <-- should be working with 9.10, do you know if karmic is maybe still using 9.9?
[02:15] <Yamiko> secleinteer: I have no idea. Where did you find that? I can try it out >.>
[02:15] <secleinteer> Yamiko: nvm that page, found the official announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-September/008022.html
[02:15] <JJman6> coo,  anyone know what default pw for postgresql install is
[02:15] <secleinteer> Yamiko: "Provide support for 2.6.31 kernel"
[02:16] <JJman6> nm
[02:16] <secleinteer> Yamiko: and 8.660 is indeed the current version in karmic. what card do you have?
[02:17] <secleinteer> Yamiko: mine is the hd 4350
[02:17] <xxx001> 9.10 seems buggy
[02:18] <ep> 9.04 seemed buggy
[02:18] <Yamiko> secleinteer: HD 3650. I discovered under Jaunty that my GPU runs hot without the proprietary drivers, was my main concern. I'm on a thinkpad T500
[02:18] <Yamiko> I havn't been particularly pleased with a release since Intrepid :/
[02:20] <ep> qt 3 to 4 was such a pain in the butt port.  But we'll get  through these bad times
[02:20] <secleinteer> Yamiko: ah, i have a thinkpad t400, and it's running just fine with a 3450, 2.6.30 (gentoo), and fglrx 9.10. it must be an ubuntu-specific problem
[02:20] <xxx001> the video is really bad
[02:20] <secleinteer> Yamiko: maybe you should give gentoo a whirl ;)
[02:21] <xxx001> so it's possible to have an issue with ubuntu and not kubuntu
[02:21] <xxx001> I just bought a machine today and it's been a huge mess trying to get ubuntu on it
[02:22] <Yamiko> secleinteer: wouldn't surprise me, but I'd prefer not switching too much in the middle of midterms. Any ideas on how to get my GPU to run better under something that won't crash Karmic?
[02:26] <kosmic> Anybody running on the Karmic Koala Kubuntu also known as KKK
[02:27] <Yamiko> for the moment. Debating switching to Win7 >.>
[02:27] <kosmic> What whay
[02:27] <kosmic> What whay+
[02:28] <kosmic> does KKK suck?
[02:28] <KiRiLoS> Hello,i get the error:"Could not change permissions to <file>" when i try to copy files from a NTFS driver to another using dolphin.The one driver is just an external hdd and the other is a partition mounted to my system(I just mounted it a few minutes ago).I am using kubuntu 9.10,Thanks
[02:28] <Yamiko> driver issues. I can't in good concience let my GPU run as hot as it gets without the proprietary drivers and the proprietary drivers don't work under karmic, and jaunty was buggy as hell for me.
[02:31] <kosmic> i dont even hae a gpu
[02:32] <Yamiko> my video card, dude
[02:37] <secleinteer> Yamiko: you can try just going back to jaunty
[02:41] <Yamiko> secleinteer: jaunty had a bunch of issues for me too, which is why I switched so fast :/
[02:42] <VivaVista> I downloaded the new kubuntu, I tried running it through autoplay (WUBI) and I pressed Demon and Installation and its not doing anything...
[02:42] <VivaVista> Demo*
[02:43] <ep> I like it better than jaunty so far.   Knock on wood.
[02:43] <VivaVista> Any ideas? :/
[02:43] <secleinteer> Yamiko: have you tried radeonhd?
[02:45] <rj_> why the karmic koala iso won't fit into a standard 700MB CD???
[02:45] <rj_> why the karmic koala iso won't fit into a standard 700MB CD?????????????????
[02:47] <rj_> why the karmic koala iso won't fit into a standard 700MB CD?
[02:47] <rj_> vemos al rato
[02:47] <JJman6> prolly cause your too noob?
[02:49] <Yamiko> rj: Worked for me.
[02:52] <Yamiko> secleinteer: tried a number of things, then I noticed my lap isn't on fire anymore. The GPU cooled itself down at some point, back to safe temps, as a result of something but I'm not sure what. I think I'll stop poking at it >.>
[02:54] <Yamiko> secleinteer: I was in the middle of a list of instructions to move to the "radeon" driver, is that what you're talking about?
[02:54] <rav_> hello. i see that there is an update from jaunty to karmic now. does anyone know if it is worth updating yet?
[02:54] <wsr3193> I upgraded last night, it is ok
[02:55] <wsr3193> Can always update later
[02:55] <rav_> wsr3193: are there particular fixes? in jaunty my webcams don't work, for example
[02:56] <wsr3193> Don't know, haven
[02:56] <wsr3193> have not fooled with it that much, did your cam work in 9.04
[02:57] <high-rez> Do multitouch trackpads work with kubuntu 9.10 ?
[02:58] <rav_> wsr3193: my cams worked in hardy 8.04. stopped working since
[02:58] <wsr3193> Hmm, have you tried to find drivers for your cams
[02:59] <rav_> wsr3193: i checked it's bugged in jaunty, said to be worked on karmic
[03:00] <wsr3193> Sorry, I can
[03:01] <wsr3193> Sorry, I can;t help, you might check in source forge for drivers
[03:02] <rav_> wsr3193: it's reported as a kernel bug, the newer drivers don't help
[03:05] <rav_> does karmic come with kde 4.3?
[03:06] <high-rez> yes
[03:06] <high-rez> 4.3.2
[03:13] <VivaVista> I downloaded the new kubuntu, I tried running it through autoplay (WUBI) and I pressed Demo and Installation and its not doing anything...
[03:16] <MaartenLx> Howdy :)
[03:17] <MaartenLx> is it me, or are the repositories a bit overloaded and thus slow? :P
[03:28] <avihay> MaartenLx: new distribution, it's to be expected
[03:38] <MaartenLx> avihay: yeah thats what I figured.... I started checking my wireless connection, and then downloaded a test file elsewhere and got over 12 Mbps in speed (connection is 15 Mbps) so I figured it must just be busy :P
[04:00] <webbb82> is there any tips addons or ideas on how to speed up plasma  everythin els runs smooth but plasma seems to lag     im on a netbook but dont like the netbook remix
[04:02] <Omar87> Hi all
[04:02] <Omar87> So where can I find the Ubuntu Software Center in Kubuntu?
[04:05] <webbb82> can anyone in here help me install qt 4.6
[04:09] <gabuuzz> hey
[04:10] <webbb82> ok i need libqt   4.6   where can i find this package
[04:10] <gabuuzz> I have just finish a upgrade from kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10, but it don't work anymore...
[04:11] <gabuuzz> when I try to login my account it fail and return to login screen
[04:11] <gabuuzz> what can i do?
[04:12] <buckethead> Try with a new (blank) user account.
[04:13] <buckethead> Alot of problems come from config files that didn't get removed when they should.
[04:13] <gabuuzz> but how can I create the new account?...
[04:14] <buckethead> ctrl+alt+f1 to drop to a konsole, then 'sudo adduser <username>' with the username you want in place of <username>.
[04:14] <gabuuzz> thanx
[04:14] <gabuuzz> I try it and come back if it fail...
[04:16] <Pavel_> anyone here run arora?
[04:16] <webbb82> where can i find libqt perl 4.6
[04:16] <Shaxor> Hello, I can't seem to share folders on my home network or see the other computers on my network And im using Kubuntu 9.10
[04:21] <buckethead> Shaxor: i'm assuming you checked firewall configs? I always forget about them, personally.
[04:22] <Shaxor> Umm how do i go about doing that?
[04:22] <Shaxor> this is my frist time using Kubuntu
[04:22] <dwidmann> hmm, no sound after  upgrading to 9.10 here :(
[04:25] <MaartenLx> I like this Quassel IRC, I never used it before.
[04:26] <Shaxor> Can you tell me how to setup my firewall or even get to it?
[04:28] <Shaxor> Am i the only one who is having problems with network shares?
[04:29] <buckethead> Sorry Shaxor.. I stepped out for a minute. Kubuntu9.10, right?
[04:29] <Shaxor> yes im using Kubuntu9.10
[04:30] <buckethead> Go to a konsole and type 'sudo ufw status'
[04:32] <Shaxor> it says its inactive
[04:33] <buckethead> Ok, so thats not it.. What are you serving with?
[04:33] <gabuuzz> im back
[04:33] <gabuuzz> it don't work
[04:33] <Shaxor> serving with?
[04:35] <buckethead> You were saying you couldn't get to your home server.. what are you serving the files with?
[04:35] <dwidmann> hmm, wait, looks like "sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio" fixes my problems...
[04:35] <Shaxor> Its not a server, just shared folders on my other two computers
[04:36] <Shaxor> one of them is windows and the other is ubuntu
[04:36] <buckethead> SMB then, i'm guessing.
[04:37] <gabuuzz> when I login, its login like normal and when it init the dashboard it return to login screen
[04:38] <Shaxor> smb??
[04:44] <dwidmann> !samba | Shaxor
[04:45] <Shaxor> umm whats swat?
[04:46] <brady> has anyone had intermittent problems during the download part of the 9.04 -> 9.10 upgrade? I know the servers are getting pounded, but I've seen 404 fatal errors and a batch of unauthenticatable (is that a word?) package errors.
[04:47] <MaartenLx> I'm just getting very slow downloads from the repos
[04:47] <brady> I restarted the upgrade process and it's going again (albeit slowly)
[04:49] <brady> the 404 errors were typical "file not found", but it was fatal to the upgrade process
[04:49] <billet75> in the future will there be a new release of 9.10? I can't install it
[04:49] <billet75> I bought the machine today, 9.04 works
[04:50] <dwidmann> billet75: why can't you install it?
[04:50] <brady> why can't you install it?
[04:50] <dwidmann> billet75: (releases are generally pretty much final) ... did you try the alternate cd?
[04:50] <billet75> first it was the intel on graphic, now it hangs during install at disk scan
[04:50] <billet75> alternate cd?
[04:50] <billet75> 32 and 64 tried both
[04:50] <dwidmann> billet75: yes, alternate cd
[04:51] <MaartenLx> there is a text-install alternate cd you can download
[04:51] <billet75> sweet, like solaris
[04:51] <billet75> where is that located at?
[04:51] <MaartenLx> kubuntu.org somewhere ;)
[04:51] <dwidmann> umm, on the download page there should be a checkbox for it
[04:51] <billet75> ok
[04:51] <MaartenLx> it has alternate in the name if you are browsing a mirror.
[04:52] <MaartenLx> I usually tend to use the torrents anyways
[04:52] <promise> who is in irc on a friday night?
[04:52] <dwidmann> Me
[04:52] <billet75> here's the only problem in other dis it was a real pain to get x to work after installing text based
[04:52] <dwidmann> which is odd, because I'm usually still at work at this time of night
[04:52] <promise> ^^
[04:52] <billet75> only thing out this weekend is the COPS\
[04:53] <billet75> :P
[04:53] <MaartenLx> I am! I worked all week, and worked most of last weekend to convert a big network to a new IP scheme.... so I am enjoying my free friday night on the COUCH thank you very much :P
[04:53] <billet75> drinking beer installing ubuntu
[04:54] <billet75> the funny thing is that I have a fairly new laptop and it was easier to install
[04:54] <promise> what do you think about the default server install with no gui?
[04:55] <dwidmann> minimal installs are ummm, minimal
[04:55] <billet75> has anyone install zoneminder on ubuntu?
[04:56] <MaartenLx> I have a fairly new laptop.... I installed the x64 edition of Kubuntu 9.10 last night and it worked just fine.
[04:57] <billet75> hp laptop I have work well, although I had to buy a usb wireless card. the lenovo server I bought today as been a pain
[04:57] <kgeek> billet75: cam security one
[04:57] <billet75> cam security one? software
[04:58] <billet75> I bought a bluecherry.net card
[04:58] <billet75> trying to catch my neighbor they are shady
[04:59] <kgeek> :P
[04:59] <billet75> kgeek: that's kool
[05:00] <kgeek> yaa it is
[05:00] <billet75> I have good cameras, just need good software
[05:01] <MaartenLx> god the repo's are SLOOOW tonight. Understandable why, but still annoying. :P
[05:01] <dwidmann> the US mirror is particularly bad as far as I can tell
[05:02] <billet75> i am 2 minutes from a reboot
[05:02] <dwidmann> Gave me lots of errors
[05:02] <billet75> oh yea, you can stop it and start it again it worked for me from 1 mb to 7
[05:02] <billet75> has anyone do the update?
[05:03] <Bigshot_> why is us mirror so slow?
[05:03] <dwidmann> dunno, but I recommend switching to any other mirror
[05:03] <Bigshot_> how can i change the default mirror
[05:03] <billet75> microsoft is downloading it as well
[05:03] <dwidmann> I've had good luck with anl.gov in the past ... switching to the uk mirror might work sufficiently also
[05:03] <dwidmann> billet75: lol
[05:04] <Bigshot_> billet75: i've got touchscreen laptop so microsoft is the way to go
[05:04] <Bigshot_> but still i am after this linux
[05:05] <billet75> ms is  doing so for their next release]
[05:05] <buckethead> Is anyone working on getting debtorrent in a position to work with dist-upgrade? That would seem to help with alot of these bandwidth issues..
[05:06] <MaartenLx> that would be great yeah....
[05:06] <dwidmann> wouldn't do anything for me ... my connection is allergic to torrents
[05:07] <buckethead> My connection is allergic to speed, but there are a dozen of us here that have/are/will go to karmic.
[05:07] <dwidmann> Yesterday at around 3AM EST the US mirror was doing fairly well though, oddly enough.
[05:08] <buckethead> Its about what, 1 am right now?
[05:08] <dwidmann> yep
[05:09] <dwidmann> I managed to grab about 1500MB in 2.5 hours ... not bad for my connection anyway
[05:10] <dwidmann> most important was that I wasn't crippled by 400, 505, and 506 errors and the like, like when I tried to download a few packages mid-day today
[05:11] <buckethead> I moved to RC when it dropped, so I wasn't really affected.
[05:11] <buckethead> apt-upgrade and then let it run all night.
[05:12] <dwidmann> annoying then about apt-get though is it isn't fault tolerant at all ... after it finishes a run if there were any failures rather than trying again (like it should) it just quits saying there were errors a while ago
[05:12] <buckethead> Yeah, thats a lot of scrolling around. I wish it would at least reprint them again at the end.
[05:14] <hansen> ok, plasma is acting crazy after upgrading to karmic. What can I do? Are there any config files I can remove or something?
[05:14] <buckethead> Silly question.. how would I find packages that are installed but have no installation candidate?
[05:14] <dwidmann> that's an interesting question, I think I'm going to try to find that one out
[05:14] <buckethead> Depends on the flavor of crazy.. blonde crazy or red head crazy? Try renaming your .kde.
[05:15] <eder> hi
[05:16] <hansen> but there is lots of stuff in ~/.kde that I dont want to be without. kmail imap cache for example
[05:17] <hansen> crazy means random crashes, pop up menus at top of screen even though I have the panel at the bottom. graphics errors etc
[05:17] <joseph> you want to get rid of that porn cache though
[05:18] <Bigshot_> hey where can i get the "Air theme" for KDE?
[05:18] <dwidmann> buckethead: I think I'm on to something here.
[05:18] <buckethead> Bigshot_: Is it not shown under desktop settings?
[05:19] <Bigshot_> man this kubuntu is CRAP
[05:19] <Bigshot_> 9.10 is worst ever
[05:19] <Bigshot_> hangs, crashes, narrows
[05:20] <buckethead> I haven't had any issues, except a mouse that didn't want to move.
[05:20] <dwidmann> wow. I just segfaulted yakuake with that one ... hehehe
[05:21] <dwidmann>  I feel proud of myself
[05:21] <buckethead> whoops. I was scared to ask if you were on to something good .. or something bad.
[05:22] <dwidmann> buckethead: I'm on to something good, I'm just not there yet
[05:24] <buckethead> I know, I was teasing.
[05:26] <dwidmann> buckethead: this should be a start, at any rate: clear; for x in `dpkg --list | grep ^ii.*  | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | tr '\n' ' '`; do apt-cache policy $x; done;
[05:26] <dwidmann> I hope.
[05:27] <dwidmann> then again, maybe t hat only searches the cache and is therefore useless?
[05:27] <promise> I feel the world is in danger when the alexa top list is filled with google and cheap porn sites
[05:28] <dwidmann> I feel the world in danger when people take that long to realize that
[05:28] <buckethead> Hm.
[05:29] <promise> the question is what can we do about it? It seems like a real live version of "Idiocracy"
[05:30] <joseph> promise: shoot people?
[05:30] <buckethead> Make better porn.
[05:30] <dwidmann> joseph: think of the lawyers you'll be tried by, if indeed we're following along with the Idiocracy theory :P
[05:30] <buckethead> Wait sorry, that wasn't supposed to be my outside voice.
[05:31] <joseph> heh
[05:33] <dwidmann> Seems like Amarok is actually un-buggy enough for real use again with 2.2. Yay!
[05:34] <buckethead> Yes, I've just recently moved to 2.2 from 1.4.10. MySQL support is still giving me trouble however.
[05:34] <dwidmann> buckethead: external mysql just recently re-appeared. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a perfect re-implementation yet.
[05:36] <dwidmann> But the other normal, basic stuff seems to be functional/not buggy(unlike 2.1.x)
[05:36] <buckethead> ..and I could finally get rid of that effing context  window!
[05:41] <vietred> is there any trading analysis software like "metastock"?
[05:42] <promise> metatrader
[05:42] <dwidmann> vietred: do "apt-cache search stock" and go through the small list that comes up. Maybe you'll see something that will suit
[05:46] <vietred> dwidmann: thanks, I don't know there are a lot of them :D
[05:46] <promise> what sort of socioeconomic system would be needed to be put into place to ensure worldwide system functioning, allowing those who remain sane, to keep their sanity?
[05:47] <dwidmann> promise: sanity is overrated
[05:49] <milandll> hey guys
[05:49] <milandll> can you help me whith wusb54gc wifi usb
[05:50] <dwidmann> have you looked here??
[05:50] <dwidmann> !wifi
[05:50] <milandll> yes
[05:50] <milandll> i try but  i am new to linux
[05:51] <milandll> i gat the driver from ralink
[05:51] <milandll> and installed it
[05:51] <milandll> but notink
[05:52] <Viking667> I've got a Ubuntu update to Karmic going on another machine, how do I use those packages to also update a Kubuntu machine?
[05:56] <dwidmann> all viking667 would have to do would be copy them from /var/cache/apt/archives, of course, but he or she didn't stick around long enough to hear that.
[05:59] <buckethead> dwidmann: debtorrent! heh.
[05:59] <buckethead> Where do kdm logon themes go?
[06:00] <buckethead> google doesn't have much for me. i'll write it up if you point me in the right direction to start..
[06:03] <dwidmann> buckethead: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/
[06:05] <buckethead> You know how long it would've taken me to figure that out? Thanks.
[06:06] <dwidmann> no prob
[06:46] <promise> I am too
[06:48] <promise> the question I have is, how can you not prevent the agent from taking you over?
[06:54] <promise> why wouldn't neo just work for the system?
[06:57] <promise> im still trying to find out who killed my explorer on my windows box
[06:58] <cipher_> lol
[07:01] <dwidmann> promise: I hear it was a cloak clad penguin with a light sword
[07:01] <promise> alas, walmart here I am
[07:02] <dwidmann> promise: why walmart of all places?
[07:04] <promise> dwidmann:  when two become two, then we are
[07:07] <nick[0]> I haven't read a decent review yet, but I suspect KDE 4.3 is good enough for me to switch back to KDE.  Here's the thing: I really like the Darkroom colour scheme.  Does Kubuntu 9.10 have it?
[07:08] <Infinitas> I've wasted an hour thinking about upgrading kubuntu or switch over gnome.. anyone share the same dilemma? -_-
[07:08] <nick[0]> Infinitas: what ver. of Kubuntu are you running?
[07:08] <Infinitas> Jaunty.
[07:09] <nick[0]> and why are you considering switching to GNOME?
[07:09] <promise> the communication of the bots...
[07:10] <cipher_> got somthing against gnome nick? :P
[07:10] <cipher_> something*
[07:10] <promise> you know those two little bumps on f and j...
[07:10] <nick[0]> cipher_: nope.  I'm just wondering what Infinitas' reasoning is.
[07:10] <cipher_> yes i do
[07:10] <cipher_> promise; what about them?
[07:10] <Infinitas> I'm afraid there's no reasoning. It's like two guys named KDE and GNOME fighting for survival in my head.
[07:11] <promise> they are fun to tickle, thats all ^^
[07:11] <cipher_> lol
[07:11] <nick[0]> cipher_: Infinitas: it comes down to what you're comfortable with, I think.  Ah, "tickle"  ;-)
[07:11] <Infinitas> One thing's for sure, a decision will be made in next two minutes.
[07:11] <Infinitas> lol
[07:11] <cipher_> what is that GUI called flow somthing
[07:11] <cipher_> right click and your menu comes up
[07:12] <promise> what do you think the time difference in, from outside the matrix to the inside, is it a constant or ratio according to the complexity of consciousness of those in each region?
[07:12] <nick[0]> cipher_: what's the current state of keyboard shortcuts in KDE 4.3 ?  Jaunty's GNOME has frustrated me to the point where I switched back to Openbox
[07:12] <xanokais> so i had to test out vistar7.  set it up and put this machine side by side with my Win7 install
[07:12] <Infinitas> Well the guy representing gnome says there's a vast support and lesser bugs for ubuntu karmic, whereas kde is slightly behind.
[07:13] <cipher_> i am using gnome and have only used KDE in backtrack3, lol.
[07:13] <nick[0]> cipher_: problem being it misses or masks the keypress
[07:13] <Infinitas> There's this one particular sound issue, smplayer to be precise. It loses the sound at random intervals. Tried everything.
[07:13] <promise> my myspace has two live webcams, take the technology give it to your girlfriend for a titty cam she can put up
[07:13] <promise> http://www.myspace.com/ar5k
[07:14] <cipher_> you know you think this channel would look like a flood of text with260 users...
[07:14] <nick[0]> cipher_: backtrack3?
[07:15] <cipher_> a pen-testing ditrobution of linux that runs off of wax/knoppix
[07:15] <cipher_> pen-testing = hacking basicly
[07:15] <tsimpson> promise: that has nothing to do with kubuntu, so don't post that here
[07:16] <nick[0]> cipher_: ahh.  Nifty.
[07:16] <cipher_> promise dont advertise for you perversions here
[07:16] <cipher_> yeah
[07:16] <cipher_> this is annoying me my name is nick too :/
[07:17] <Infinitas> Okay..here goes kubuntu, I almost fooled myself into thinking I could live without it. :P
[07:17] <Infinitas> Thanks guys. ^^
[07:17] <cipher_> my windows partition was trying to remove my linux partition ealier today i am not kidding
[07:17] <nick[0]> Infinitas: :-)  It looks like it would be faster for me to torrent the iso and stick it on a usb stick than to get an answer here ;-)
[07:17] <cipher_> it got pissed off that it suddenly lacked a ton of space.
[07:18] <Infinitas> nick[0]: lol i suppose such is life.
[07:19] <Infinitas> But no, KDE forever.
[07:19] <Infinitas> In progress. :)
[07:21] <nick[0]> cipher_: and I decided to be extra pretentious by putting myself as the first element of the array!  (can you imagine how confusing things could get if there was a nick[0,0], a nick[0,0,0], etc.
[07:21] <nick[0]> )
[07:23] <cipher_> well i just do char nick[225] and then i will letthe irc worry about it
[07:24] <cipher_> actauly char nick[255]
[07:24] <cipher_> yeah 255* :D
[07:24] <nick[0]> cipher_: :-)
[07:24] <cipher_> do you code c++ or c nick?
[07:25] <tsimpson> could you move non-support chat to #kubuntu-offtopic please
[07:25] <nick[0]> c++ and sh mainly
[07:25] <cipher_> no one even is talking about kubuntu why do you care simpson?
[07:25] <nick[0]> tsimpson: are you willing to answer a simple kubuntu 9.10 support question?
[07:25] <tsimpson> cipher_: because it's the channel rules
[07:25] <tsimpson> nick[0]: if I know the answer
[07:25] <cipher_> tsimpson can i load my bots here?
[07:25] <cipher_> im kdding
[07:25] <cipher_> a joke
[07:26] <cipher_> hey nick join #mine
[07:26] <nick[0]> tsimpson: does Kubuntu 9.10 come with an optional colour scheme like "Darkroom"?
[07:26] <tsimpson> non-support chat is welcome in #kubuntu-offtopic (but still no bots :)
[07:27] <nick[0]> tsimpson: I much prefer charcoal, dark brown, and subdued orange to any alternatives (who knows why)
[07:27] <cipher_> nick join #mine so i dont get k/b
[07:28] <tsimpson> nick[0]: there are several schemes pre-installed, and more available from System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors
[07:28] <nick[0]> cipher_: k, though I won't be online for long
[07:28] <nick[0]> tsimpson: I haven't switched to Kubuntu yet (seriously, I'm using Openbox right now due to some GNOME keyboard shortcut handling bugs)
[07:29] <nick[0]> tsimpson: it takes 10sec to check, but I can't check, so would you please?
[07:29] <tsimpson> I think there's about 20 or so pre-installed schemes available, and probably hundreds (or more) from kde-look.org
[07:30] <cipher_> tsimpson doesnt seem as if he is going to check what do you need nick
[07:30] <nick[0]> tsimpson: I searched but did not find
[07:32] <tsimpson> nick[0]: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=74 has the list
[07:33] <Galaen> qt4 is realy opensource?
[07:33] <nick[0]> tsimpson: yes, I know.  I spend half an hour searching the whole site.  Could you please check your System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors
[07:33] <dinxperlo> Человеки!!!! Как установить Flashplayer на Ubuntu 9.10????
[07:34] <cipher_> i just love how quassel gives your ip out
[07:34] <cipher_> i got DDOSED because of this a couple days ago
[07:35] <dinxperlo> Человеки!!!! Как установить Flashplayer на Ubuntu 9.10????
[07:35] <tsimpson> nick[0]: http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7203/snap3w.jpg this is what I have
[07:35] <cipher_> as far as aperances what do you need nick?
[07:35] <Manager> aga
[07:36] <jussi01> !ru | dinxperlo
[07:36] <Manager>  кого тут заменеджерить?)
[07:36] <dinxperlo> !ru
[07:36] <tsimpson> cipher_: quassel doesn't give anything away, this IRC network does unless you request a cloak
[07:36] <cipher_> any non english channels :P
[07:36] <jussi01> dinxperlo: /join #ubuntu-ru
[07:36] <cipher_> ohh
[07:36] <cipher_> well i feel stupid
[07:36] <Manager> i'm in chanel
[07:37] <cipher_> please tell me how to request one
[07:37] <Manager> what?
[07:37] <jussi01> cipher_: which one?
[07:37]  * Manager smiles
[07:37] <Manager> :)
[07:37] <cipher_> for my user
[07:37] <tsimpson> cipher_: you need to register a nick and join #freenode to request an unaffiliated cloak, then a staff member will guide you
[07:37] <nick[0]> tsimpson: thank you so much.  I've been looking for something like this all evening.
[07:38] <cipher_> i will use a socks4 if i really need to do that, thanks anyway simpson.
[07:38] <Manager> and what?
[07:39] <cipher_> Manager: are you directing that towards me?
[07:39] <nick[0]> tsimpson: do you know if you can import gtk schemes?
[07:39] <promise> okay how about this, technology within the matrix becomes soo advanced and machines begin learning about quantum mechanics that they are able to teleport people from outside the matrix in front of the control panels to an artificial reality exactly like they were once awake from only changing it, to put them back asleep
[07:40] <tsimpson> nick[0]: I'm pretty sure you can't, but I've never tried to do that
[07:40]  * Manager no
[07:40] <cipher_> someone kick promise
[07:41] <tsimpson> no need, they are now muted :)
[07:41] <cipher_> atleast i attempt to stay on topic
[07:41] <Manager> ну блин духи дастали
[07:41] <cipher_> :P
[07:41] <jussi01> !en | Manager
[07:44] <nick[0]> hmm.  I'd probably be willing to port the GTK Darkroom to QT.  Does anyone know where I can find a guide/HOWTO/tutorial?
[07:44] <cipher_> ohh for crying out load
[07:45] <cipher_> Manager: Ubuntu #, # # Kubuntu и Xubuntu каналы на английском языке. Для получения полного списка каналов в другие Языки, пожалуйста, посетите http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:45] <cipher_> there
[07:45] <tsimpson> they quit
[07:45] <cipher_> ohh
[07:46] <cipher_> i am going to go out on a limb here and guess you get paid for this tsimpson?
[07:46] <tsimpson> cipher_: no, we are all volunteers here
[07:46] <cipher_> if not then i salute you for your dedication.
[07:47] <cipher_> in that case i will try to follow the rules, im off to kbuntu-offtopic
[07:47] <ionut> which is the ubuntu irc ?
[07:47] <ionut> which is the ubuntu channel
[07:47] <tsimpson> nick[0]: I can't find any guide, but perhaps the guys in #kde-devel have an idea
[07:47] <tsimpson> ionut: #ubuntu
[07:47] <ionut> thx
[07:52] <nick[0]> tsimpson: thanks!  Yes, it may be rediculous, but I'm really attached to the charcoal, orange, and brown. ;-)
[07:54]  * nick[0] not for this weekend, but he might port a gtk scheme to qt sometime next month
[08:25] <r2b2> join /engineyard
[08:25] <r2b2> join #engineyard
[08:28] <lizzzy> Hi! I installed Kubuntu on my hard drive from a Kubuntu liveUSB. The grub doesn't load and I get a "Load Error 15" error
[08:29] <Linux_Galore> well installed 9.10 and then selected the ati driver and I have the same problem I had 14 months ago, X wont start
[08:29] <Linux_Galore> also recovery mode seems corrupted
[08:29] <KnarkVador> Kubuntu 9.10 is verry good !
[08:30] <Linux_Galore> also found a few install bugs to add to the list ie keeps wanting to install on a system disk not an empty one
[08:31] <Linux_Galore> had to move the sata cables to get around ti wanting to ingore the only blank hardisk on my system
[08:31] <lizzzy> I know! But, I can't get it to install on my hard drive. "Load Error 15" *sad face*
[08:32] <Linux_Galore> now I have to figure how to remove the ati driver and force it to go back to the default sigh!
[08:32] <Linux_Galore> lucky I didnt remove my old kubuntu instal
[08:33] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: install the radeon one, remove the fglrx and reconfigure xorg.conf
[08:33] <Mamarok> the command is inside xorg.conf
[08:33] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: need help or will you find?
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> Mamarok: why didnt they remove the option to go back to the old settings in the recovery mode ?
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> did*
[08:34] <Mamarok> did they?
[08:34] <Linux_Galore> 8.10 allows you to go back to the old setting for X but 9.10 doesnt, instead now you have to do a command line hack
[08:34] <Linux_Galore> yes
[08:35] <Mamarok> hm, because recovery mode is not command line?
[08:36] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: well, using proprietary drivers is always risky, don't blame the Kubuntu folk, since ATI has removed a lot of cards from the kernel
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> well reovery mode usually gives you a list of options, in 9.10 the settings to recover your old settings is gone
[08:36] <Mamarok> but good news, the free radeon driver gets better, next version supports 3D for nearly all cards
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> in 8.10 removing the ati driver was a no brainer
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> Mamarok: not good when windows works perfect for 20 odd years
[08:37] <jussi01> wrong
[08:37] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: well, talk to the driver manufacturer
[08:37] <Mamarok> and windows doesn't work perfect, far from that, the ATI driver here in Vista is pure crap, extremly slow refresh rate
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> Mamarok: we did 3 years ago, they handed the specs to the community over a year ago now
[08:37] <jussi01> But shall we head back towards kubuntu support please?
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> whats the command now considering recovery mode wont do it to set Xorg back to default
[08:39] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon (or -hg, depending on your card)
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> tnks
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> but wont the radeon driver already be installed ?
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> or will that force a new install thus deleting the old settings ?
[08:40] <Mamarok> if you didn't remove it, yes
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> whats the new FOSS ati driver, radeonhd or has that been merged ?
[08:44] <Mamarok> Linux_Galore: see above, depends on your card, either radeon or radeonhd
[08:44] <Linux_Galore> well its a 4850 so i better go with the radeonhd
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> bbl
[08:48] <gullfox> guten morgen
[08:49] <gullfox> ich habe mir mal das erste mal kubuntu installiert !
[08:50] <Mamarok> !de | gullfox
[08:50] <gullfox> dank you ;)
[09:19] <delight> is there a method to reset the sound/multimedia settings in KDE ? Since a couple days the sound in (Karmic) KDE is muted on Gnome its still working. :-(
[09:29] <slow-motion> hi
[09:30] <tobixx> Hi, I upgraded to 9.10 recently and now I can see the dialog window from noscript extension in firefox - can anyone confirm this too ?
[09:31] <tobixx> I mean : can not see it anymore
[09:32] <mirko_> salve
[09:36] <rork> tobixx: I just installed it and I get the dialog at the bottom of the screen
[09:38] <rork> tobixx: I guess this is what you meant: http://www.rork.nl/tmp/noscript.png
[09:38] <bbigras> Someone else have the Firefox crash problem with libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so ?
[09:43] <varanus> bbigras: if i remember well, mine firefox has crached too 1-2 times with browsing flash applications
[09:45] <bbigras> varanus: :( mine seems to crash on most websites. And the default flashplayer (form flashplugin-installer) feels a bit buggy, for exemple I can't skip to certain part on youtube video
[09:46] <jorg__> good morning
[09:46] <tobixx> rork: I'm not sure what you want to show with the picture, but anyway, I can see the shown bar too but the problem is that when I click on "Options" or the symbol to configure the settings for it - I can't see the window which should open. Must something have to do with the now enabled composite I assume. Because I can see shade only of the window but is nearly invisble.
[09:46] <varanus> bbigras: does konqueror have the same problems?
[09:47] <varanus> cause for me, some times that firefox can't open flash apps konqueror does.
[09:49] <bbigras> varanus: it's weird, today it seems to work fine in both. maybe there was a fix in the recent firefox package update
[09:49] <varanus> bbigras: probably cause i see other people too to complain about ff in other chats
[09:52] <Linux_Galore> just na update, radeonhd borken in 9.10, radeon is fine
[09:52] <rork> tobixx: If I click on Options a menu is shown with options to allow or block scripts and some options. If I select options in the menu a preferences window shows up so it seems like it works fine.
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> got radeonhd running on 8.10 fine though with the same software
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> hardware*
[09:54] <omar> Hi
[09:54] <omar> I just tried to upgrare Kubuntu on my Laptop, but something nasty seemed to have happened to GRUB
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> one thing though is better, 8.10 wouldnt even boot from the cd on this p45 machine, now it does
[09:55] <tobixx> rork: have you composite enabled ?
[09:56] <rork> tobixx: no
[09:56] <omar> When I tried to boot up the machine, it says: "udev is not permitted".
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> recovery mode has an arrow were it is still loading services after the recovery mode screen loads and this borks the text in the recovery mode screen
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> error*
[09:58] <tobixx> rork: tested without composite but now I can't evven see the shade anymore - so this was not the root
[09:58] <bbigras> varanus: thanks for the help. I think I'll wait a bit to see if others have problems with the 64 bit version
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> bbigras: Im on the 64 bit version, only serious ug so far is the ati driver and radeonhd both borking
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> bug*
[10:00] <varanus> bbigras: np, i have the 64bit version but the problem is not so frequent. you could try to completely uninstall ff and flashplugin and retry if noone else have the same problem
[10:01] <matahari> i am looking for a way to setup an ecnrypted directory where 2 users can write to. All files that the users write to that directory shall be read-and writeable by both users. has someone of you an idea how to solve that? is that possible with ecryptfs? Thanks in advance!
[10:01] <bbigras> Linux_Galore: thanks
[10:01] <bbigras> varanus: yes I'll try that
[10:02] <varanus> i hvae the ati driver too, but the one found from the hardware drivers installator of kubuntu, not the closed ones :/
[10:03] <Linux_Galore> varanus: radeon or radeonhd ?  everything else is closed source
[10:03] <varanus> Linux_Galore: the radeon
[10:04] <Linux_Galore> varanus: yeah, I have the radeon driver, works but no 3d
[10:04] <omar> Linux_Galore: it says: "/dev/disk/by-uuid/87528bbf-5dd8-446d-b538-c3f8b1cebafd" does not exist.
[10:04] <Linux_Galore> varanus: new card ?
[10:04] <varanus> it works preety fine with flash player and with the kwin effects instead the closed one gave me lots of problems. the hd 4850
[10:05] <Linux_Galore> varanus: I havent tried kwin effects yet, seems to not want me to enable it
[10:05] <omar> Linux_Galore: it even fails to boot recovery more, keeps sending me to a commanline environment.
[10:05] <tobixx> rork: solved by my own - but thanks for your help, seems that the better firefox integration into kde conflict with my firefox theme where the dark kde theme and the dark firefox theme together results in this occurence
[10:05] <varanus> Linux_Galore: btw, i got 3d and direct rendering too
[10:06] <Linux_Galore> varanus: I have dri and glx set in xorg
[10:06] <omar> Please help!
[10:07] <rork> tobixx: you're welcome
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> omar: did you enable encryption ?
[10:07] <omar> Linux_Galore: no.
[10:07] <varanus> Linux_Galore: i have module glx and driver fglrx
[10:07] <omar> Linux_Galore: I don't remember doing that.
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> varanus: fglrx is the non-open driver
[10:08] <varanus> Linux_Galore: so i have both installed??
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> varanus: usually yes, if you look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  it should tell you what driver you are loading
[10:09] <Linux_Galore> radeon, radeonhd = open source,  fglrx = closed source
[10:09] <varanus> Linux_Galore: but when i run the Hardware driver program of kubuntu to find my system drivers, is it possible that searches for closed drivers too?
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> varanus: yes
[10:10] <varanus> Linux_Galore: sorry then, didn't know that
[10:11] <gurumeditationer> I don't see a /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my 9.10 install, is that normal?
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> varanus: if you get the fglrx driver working, dont worry to much the open source driver still needs a few months works to get 3D finnished
[10:12] <varanus> Linux_Galore: ty very much for that information and sorry for my ignorance.
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> gurumeditationer: not sure you can see it as a user
[10:12] <gurumeditationer> Root can't see it either.
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> gurumeditationer: in a terminal type  sudo  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:13] <gurumeditationer> That would be really scary if a user couldn't see the file, even if they didn't have access to it.
[10:13] <Linux_Galore> gurumeditationer: normal policy for a file manager
[10:14] <varanus> Linux_Galore: could i ask you one last thing. does the side mouse buttons (back/forward) work with konqueror/dolphin on 9.10?
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> varanus: think it depends on the mouse
[10:15] <jepong> I tried Kubuntu 9.10 and 3G is not yet working
[10:15] <jepong> :(
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> i usually just scroll
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> jepong: 3G what
[10:15] <varanus> Linux_Galore: ok ty very much
[10:15] <kebomix> hello , i have ATI Radeon 3650 , how to install it's driver on ubuntu 9.10 ?
[10:15] <kebomix> kubuntu *
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> kebomix: click on the small video card icon at the bottom right of your screen
[10:16] <omar> Linux_Galore: It sayd "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured"
[10:16] <omar> Linux_Galore: It also says "udevadm settle is not permitted while udev is unconfigured"
[10:17] <kebomix> Linux_Galore: i did ,but when trying to activate , it doesn't show me driver download :S
[10:17] <Linux_Galore> kebomix: be patient, servers over loaded right now
[10:17] <jepong> Linux_Galore... kubuntu mobile broadband
[10:17] <omar> Linux_Galore: And then it says "svglib: Cannot open /dev/mem"
[10:17] <Linux_Galore> jepong: 3G works fine, depends what type of hardware you are using
[10:18] <jepong> im using huawei
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> jepong: I have been using a 3G usb dongle now for a good 9 months on a laptop
[10:18] <jepong> i tried using only live-usb
[10:18] <omar> Linux_Galore: "/dev/mem" does not even seem to exist when I looked for it.
[10:18] <jepong> can't use it on jaunty either Linux_Galore
[10:19] <omar> Linux_Galore: please help me.
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> omar: sound like a borked install
[10:19] <omar> Linux_Galore: what do I do??
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> omar: do what I do, try again
[10:19] <omar> Linux_Galore: try what?
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> omar: intalling
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> installing*
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> omar: is this an update ?
[10:20] <omar> Linux_Galore: installing the whole thing from scratch?
[10:20] <omar> Linux_Galore: yes, it is.
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> omar: ah, I never update
[10:20] <kebomix> omar: salam :D
[10:21] <Linux_Galore> omar: always breaks for me as my installs are so hacked after 6 months the installer cant even figure out what day it is lol
[10:21] <Linux_Galore> omar: I usually just go buy another hardisk and install
[10:22]  * Linux_Galore one of the adantages of having a full tower, lots of hardisk space
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> usually after a few weeks I delete the old install and add it as an archive drive
[10:23] <omar> Linux_Galore: it seems I can't even boot from USB!
[10:23] <kebomix> Linux_Galore: i installed FGLRX driver manually before , and it didn't work for me
[10:24] <Linux_Galore> kebomix: hasnt worked for me in 16 months
[10:25] <kebomix> Linux_Galore: so what is the solution , i installed ATI  driver from their website before and it caused kernel panic after reboot and i wasn't able to get in to system :S
[10:25] <Linux_Galore> kebomix: funny how the most restricted 3D video hardware (nvidia) get the least problems for me
[10:25] <kebomix> Linux_Galore: yeah Nvidia do much support 4 linux
[10:26] <kebomix> it shows me FGRLX driver on Hardware Drivers :S
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> kebomix: I might give up and just get a Nvidia card, cant wait another year for ati to get a foss 3d driver
[10:26] <franta> Hi people! I have problems with system tray widget ( don't know it it is it's proper name, I have czech language here) it keeps eating way too much cpu also plasma keeps crashing ... any suggestions? I'm on 9.10 64bit
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> franta: run sudo ksysguard and see what chewing up resources
[10:34] <ward> Hello I'm trying to update from 9.04 to 9.10 but the installer is very slow and stops when downloading files (702 files downloaded)... anybody had this problem ?
[10:34] <anpu> my upgrade failed, i did fresh reinstall
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> ward: normal, servers are getting hammered
[10:35] <costin> kubuntu 9.10 is the bad
[10:35] <ward> Linux_Galore: is there a lot if risk when updating ?
[10:35] <ward> Linux_Galore: can I do it trough apt instead of gfx update ?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> ward: yes you can
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> ward: it will still hang though when the servers busy\
[10:36] <caesar20001> hi!
[10:36] <Ramblurr> is there a way to downgrade the version of gdb to 6.8, the 7.0 version that comes with karmic isn't supported by my dev env
[10:36] <ward> Linux_Galore: okay how can I do that with apt ? and does he change my repos info etc ?
[10:37] <ward> Linux_Galore: Changing to another mirror won't help ?
[10:37] <anpu> I have a question, I want some partition to be mounted as /home, how to do it?
[10:37] <kebomix> All ATI User read this : http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18915
[10:38] <carpii_> anpu, just mount it in /etc/fstab
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> ward: could do
[10:43] <omar> Linux_Galore: however, I also upgraded my and it worked perfecty.
[10:43] <ext4_doubt> hi, i am running ubuntu 9.04 and have the following partitions : / (ext3)   /usr (ext3)   /var (ext3)  /home (ext3)   and swap. I plan to do to a FRESH installation of Karmic. my /home partition's size is 130 gig . Since i do not have the means to back up my home partition, shall i keep it as ext3 or will perhaps the ubuntu installer migrate it to ext4 WITHOUT losing any data?
[10:44] <jon> \list
[10:45] <ettore> excuse me
[10:45] <ettore> the italy chat please????
[10:45] <anpu> !it
[10:45] <yuki> Is there anybody from Kyrgyzstan? I need help.
[10:45] <kebomix> kyrgyzstan !!!
[10:46] <Guest29913> are there any digital logic channels
[10:46] <kebomix> yuki : what is ur language ?
[10:46] <anpu> carpii_: thx, and how can i scan which partitions are available for mounting?
[10:47] <yuki> kebomix: our lang is kyrgyz, but we often speak russian.
[10:47] <ettore> grazie
[10:49] <franta> well ksysguard says that plasma-desktop keeps doing someting (like 16% load on cpu)
[10:49] <kebomix> yuki: join ubuntu-ru :)
[10:49] <franta> Linux-Galore
[10:49] <kebomix> #ubuntu-ru
[10:49] <jordan_> hello all
[10:50] <kebomix> hello jordan_
[10:51] <jordan_> when I tried to identify myself as root in "system configuration", for advanced settings in "user management", the password I entered was not validated
[10:51] <kebomix> i like Quassel IRC:  have alot of option that i never found in other programs
[10:52] <varanus> franta: time ago i had a similar problem and to solve it i removed all the widgets and put it one by one to see which is the one that gives problems.
[10:52] <kebomix> yuki: join #ubuntu-ru
[10:52] <Guest29913> where can i get digital logic assistance
[10:52] <kebomix> yeeh
[10:52] <franta> varanus: yes I have tryed it and it's system tray widget
[10:52] <anpu> !rs
[10:52] <franta> probably it's called like that I have czech mutation installed
[10:53] <jordan_> I don't understand because i'm loged in but the same password doesn't work in system configuration, but it works in terminal when I do sudo
[10:53] <varanus> franta: the system tray is where the various programs are minimized with a small icon
[10:53] <franta> varanus: yes that widget with small icons of running programs
[10:54] <varanus> franta: anyway, plasma desktop should not occupy more than 5-10% of cpu
[10:55] <franta> I know...
[10:55] <franta> it's waay to much
[10:58] <franta> could this have something to do with intel graphics card?
[11:01] <varanus> franta: maybe you could backup and then delete the ~/.kde/share/config to let it make a new configuration. don't know if this could help by leting he system make a new one. don't sure that could work though that's y it's better if you make a backup before deleting
[11:01] <franta> varanus: well it was caused by some of settings of that widget
[11:02] <franta> I tryed to set eveything on and that cpu load is now gone
[11:02] <varanus> ok
[11:02] <franta> varanus: I'll post what causes this if I find it, Thanks!
[11:03] <varanus> franta: did nothing. happy to hear you resolved
[11:05] <ext4_doubt> on a FRESH install would there be a problem if i migrate /  /usr  /var  to ext4 but keep /home as ext3  ?
[11:07] <kwyjibo> Why is Kubuntu 32-bit artificailly limiting ram to 3 gigabytes? The x86 32-bit architecture allows for 4GB per task, and in modern 686 architectures address a total of 64GB can be used.
[11:08] <Guest52552> kwyjibo: install kernel-pae
[11:09] <Guest52552> kwyjibo: it's on windows too
[11:10] <kwyjibo> Windows limits it deliberately, unless you purchase the Enterprise editions for a pretty penny.
[11:10] <hemathor> how do i use nfs-ressources in 9.10?
[11:13] <ext4_doubt> on a FRESH install would there be a problem if i format  /    /usr    /var  as  ext4   but have  /home as ext3? has anyone here done that and did not suffer any performance problems or stability issues??
[11:20] <Guest52552> ext4_doubt: #ubuntu
[11:21] <ext4_doubt> Guest52552, i asked the question there already, that is why i am here asking it too since kubuntu is just basically ubuntu with kde
[11:23] <kebomix1> ext4_doubt: yeah , i'm sorry i told u to go there because there is no much ppl who  can answer u , try #fedora ,  it's partitions problem
[11:23] <dmitriy> hi people
[11:24] <kebomix1> hi dmitriy
[11:27] <arfs> Hey! I am having problems with my Intel 945GM graphics card scince Kubuntu 9.04. It freezes randomly (even when I am doing nothing). I have to reboot the complete machine to continue work. I hoped that problem was fixed in Kubuntu 9.10 which was released on thursday but unfortunateley I discovered the same problems just a second ago. Does anyone know what kind of problem that could be? Note: In ArchLinux everythings works fine (with the same
[11:27] <arfs>  graphics driver (xorg-video-intel version 2.9.0)).
[11:28] <zmitya> hi everybody
[11:29] <zmitya> guys, I have a fresh karmic..
[11:29] <zmitya> when I add a new panel, it goes to the top of the screen, but I want it in toe right side of me desktop
[11:29] <zmitya> how can I move it ?
[11:31] <robin0800> zmitya: properties on panel right click
[11:32] <zmitya> robin0800: thats fine
[11:32] <zmitya> I got the settings window close to the panel
[11:33] <zmitya> but can't move the panel for some reason
[11:39] <oscar> Hello, is it possble to switch from kde to gnome ?
[11:40] <oscar> I've installed kubuntu and would like to revert back to Gnome :(
[11:40] <rork> oscar install gnome and gdm
[11:41] <roKB> !gnome
[11:41] <roKB> !gnome | oscar
[11:41] <kebomix1> oscar: u didn't like kde ?
[11:42] <roKB> !edubuntu
[11:42] <roKB> !desktop
[11:42] <oscar> I guess I should probably try it a bit longer
[11:42] <oscar> but I just wanted to know if I could change back to gnome
[11:43] <oscar> when I try to do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, it says it cannot find the package.
[11:43] <roKB> oscar: ya u can chage just type in konsole << sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop >>
[11:43] <roKB> oscar: then first type << sudo apt-get update >>
[11:44] <roKB> oscar: then type << sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop >> after completion of above command
[11:44] <oscar> do I have to uninstall anythinga fter I install ubuntu desktop?
[11:44] <Larik> bo?
[11:44] <Freyr> hi. i have a little problem with vlc player on karmic. it's opening but when i want to play a video file it is closing
[11:44] <Larik> no?
[11:45] <oscar> oh okay thanks :)
[11:45] <Larik> oscar: :) you can even run kde programs @ gnome so..
[11:45] <Freyr> vlc version is 1.0.2 (goldeneye)
[11:46] <roKB> oscar: no, u don't have to uninstall anything, u can use both kde and gnome :)
[11:46] <oscar> oh okay that's cool
[11:46] <oscar> I think I'll give it try for a bit longer before I decide to change back :)
[11:46] <oscar> thanks guys
[11:48] <roKB> oscar: any time sweatheart :)
[11:48] <roKB> Freyr: did u installed your graphics driver properly ??
[11:48] <roKB> Freyr: and sound driver also ...
[11:48] <roKB> !sound | Freyr
[11:49] <roKB> !video | Freyr
[11:49] <Freyr> rokb: yesterdeay i reinstalled the drvers for my graphic card. sound is working very well
[11:51] <roKB> Freyr: nvidia or ATI
[11:51] <Freyr> roKB: nvidia
[11:51] <Freyr> roKB: drivers downloaded and installed from nvidia site
[11:52] <roKB> Freyr: try to install nvidia drivers from K -> Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[11:52] <roKB> Freyr: it generally have latest driver
[11:52] <Freyr> roKB: i played some video files with mplayer and worked well
[11:53] <Freyr> i had the latest drivers
[11:53] <roKB> Freyr: mplayer can use X buffer, so that will work fine
[11:54] <roKB> Freyr: once i played video on mplayer without graphics card, although fps in fullscreen was 3 to 4
[11:54] <roKB> *without graphics card driver
[11:54] <fl4sh> Hi :)
[11:54] <fl4sh> kann mir jemand helfen?
[11:54] <fl4sh> mein distributionsupgrade hängt :(
[11:55] <roKB> !hi | fl4sh
[11:55] <roKB> fl4sh: upgrade using: << sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade >>
[11:56] <fl4sh> I've started it with the little box at systemstart :D
[11:57] <fl4sh> it asked me if I want to upgrade
[11:57] <fl4sh> all was ok, it downloaded the files
[11:57] <arfs> Hmm.. seems that nobody experienced that problem...
[11:58] <roKB> fl4sh: restart your system and upgrade using konsole
[11:58] <fl4sh> an now, for half an hour it shows "Datei 1271 of 1271 wird heruntergeladen"
[11:59] <roKB> i think init 6 will work fine
[12:00] <fl4sh> so I have to download it again? :-/
[12:00] <fl4sh> It says it's maybe dangerous to stop now.
[12:01] <fl4sh> oke, let's restart :D
[12:02] <daDudeMan> any others have issues copy/pasting to/from Konsole with mouse?  on Karmic...
[12:03] <yuanmin> hello everybody, i have a problem, i can't upgrade my 9.04 to 9.10 from the first time i canceled the upgrade downloading, anybody can help me?
[12:04] <yuanmin>  hello everybody, i have a problem, i can't upgrade my 9.04 to 9.10 from the first time i canceled the upgrade downloading, anybody can help me?
[12:12] <OpenMaster> hi
[12:12] <kaddi> Hi, can I set a sizelimit for the thumbnails? they are currently taking up 1Gb of size which is kind of a lot on a 10Gb partition
[12:15] <daDudeMan> yuanmin:  I had my install abort in the middle and I couldnt figure out how to salvage.  Had to fresh install it
[12:16] <OpenMaster> I have a problem with kubuntu 9.10. Yesterday I installed it on my girlfriend's laptop. At my home I was able to connect to internet by means of wifi but when I went to her home I wasn't able to connect to Internet (always by means of wifi) but I can see the router page ( 192.168.1.1 ). Can anyone help me? :(
[12:18] <daDudeMan> OpenMaster:  is the network on DHCP?  can other computers get out to internet on that network?
[12:20] <OpenMaster> yes other computer can connect to internet: Her pc with winzoz(wifi) Vista, My Pc with Kub9.04 (wifi) her brother's PC with winzoz Xp
[12:20] <OpenMaster> and yes her network is on DHCP
[12:22] <daDudeMan> can you ping the other computers on the network?
[12:25] <OpenMaster> umm
[12:25] <OpenMaster> how can i do this?
[12:25] <OpenMaster> ( I'm a noob )
[12:28] <cobra-the-joker> hey there guys .....any one installed the new kubuntu 9.10 on his system ?
[12:32] <daDudeMan> OpenMaster open Konsole
[12:33] <OpenMaster> ...how can I open It? it is the terminal?
[12:33] <OpenMaster> is it*
[12:34] <OpenMaster> okok opened!
[12:36] <rork> cobra-the-joker: yes, configuring it right now
[12:38] <nusch> in 9.04 if I clicked show dashboard or used Ctrl+F12 I've seen the result immediately, now in karmic I must wait about 1sec for this to take effect, anybody knows the reason ? (the same nvidia driver, same configuration, compositing enabled)
[12:43] <daDudeMan> openmaster:  ping (ip of other machine - or router )
[12:43] <OpenMaster> I had to write in the consol "ping 192.168.1.1" ?
[12:43] <OpenMaster> how can I konw the IP of others PC ?
[12:46] <OpenMaster> 64 bites from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq= 101
[12:48] <OpenMaster> 64 bites from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq= 101 TTL = 255 time= 52,4 ms
[12:48] <OpenMaster> 101 and 52,4 changes
[12:52] <pknight_> hey, just upgraded to 9.10 and having a hell of a time getting my remote to work :( - no /dev/lirc0 for hauppage TV card - used to work fine before upgrade . any ideas?
[12:54] <Benkinooby> hi, cant use my wlan with wpa. any ideas?
[12:55] <Benkinooby> it starts connection, but it will not verify
[12:57] <Luggage> hi all
[13:05] <Benkinooby> hi, i really need help with mz wlan!
[13:05] <Benkinooby> i can detect but can not connect
[13:05] <Benkinooby> wpa encrypted
[13:07] <maxvanceffer> Hi all
[13:07] <ikonia> hello
[13:08] <OpenMaster> daDudeMan: is correct what I wrote?
[13:15] <maxvanceffer> Is anybody know how to get ksynaptic without compile it ?
[13:18] <daDudeMan> OpenMaster... seems like that is working.  if you ping google . com, it doesnt work?
[13:18] <OpenMaster> how can I ping Google?
[13:18] <OpenMaster> "ping www.google.it"  ??
[13:19] <daDudeMan> yes, but sub it for com
[13:19] <OpenMaster> but I can't understand why the connection works at my home and not to her home :(   PS.: She has a D-link
[13:20] <OpenMaster> ok one moment I'll tell her to do this
[13:20] <daDudeMan> did you change the keyID for the connections?  i'm sure they are different from yours to hers?
[13:21] <bala> hi, i don't see the reboot/shutdown options in my kickoff menu after upgrading to karmic, any clue how to fix this?
[13:23] <OpenMaster> umm what is KeyID ? I only select the network and than I type the wew
[13:23] <OpenMaster> *wep
[13:24] <OpenMaster> one moment she has a lunch XD
[13:27] <maxvanceffer> So boys how to get ksynaptic without downloading it and compile?
[13:30] <Luggage> ksynaptic?
[13:30] <Luggage> (just uses synaptic)
[13:32] <maxvanceffer> but there now in repos
[13:32] <maxvanceffer> it
[13:33] <maxvanceffer> only gsynaptics
[13:33] <ikonia> maxvanceffer: if it's in the repo install it from the repo
[13:33] <maxvanceffer> but this is from gnome
[13:33] <ikonia> maxvanceffer: so ?
[13:33] <ikonia> maxvanceffer: you'll need to install the kde dependencies it needs, but if it's in the repo's it will do that for you
[13:34] <maxvanceffer> but no in repos
[13:34] <ikonia> then you'd have to build it yourself
[13:34] <ikonia> which would make it hard to suport your system
[13:35] <maxvanceffer> Thats why i want it from repos
[13:35] <ikonia> but it's not in the repos
[13:35] <maxvanceffer> Did kde add it in future? Is anybody know ?
[13:36] <ikonia> impossible to say
[13:38] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:38] <hima785> 012785
[13:39] <OpenMaster> ok I'm going to her home....she is too slow in eating :)
[13:39] <hima785> انا مش فاهم حاجه
[13:40] <Laeborg> ey
[13:41] <Laeborg> I have two working screens. When i take a screenshot I want it only to take a screenshot of the current screen, not both. any fix for this ?
[13:42] <Shockrates> hi
[13:42] <Shockrates> how can i get md5 hash for a file?
[13:42] <Shockrates> a tar
[13:42] <Shockrates> for example
[13:42] <Shockrates> so i can compare it
[13:42] <FloodBotK2> Shockrates: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:42] <amik> Shockrates: md5sum
[13:43] <Shockrates> amik: do i have to download it? or its like one command
[13:43] <amik> it's one command, don't remember if it's installed by default or not (might need apt-get install md5sum)
[13:43] <Shockrates> thanks very much
[13:44] <Shockrates> does anyone use sagemath?
[13:45]  * BluesKaj wonders when the fglrx-geard 3D cube will be adopted by nvidia and other graphics co's for testing 3D and dir
[13:46] <amik> Shockrates: I once wrote a little java gui for md5 of multiple files (and saving the results, etc), but I won't advertise it here :-)
[13:46] <BluesKaj> or is it fglrx-glxears ?
[13:47] <Shockrates> amik: ok cool . but i need to check only one file through konsole
[13:47] <amik> anyone here tried karmic on a GMA500?
[13:47] <amik> Shockrates: I figured it would be overkill, go for md5sum :-)
[13:47] <Shockrates> yeah
[13:48] <Shockrates> amik: so are you a programmer?
[13:49] <amik> Shockrates: are we still called that? isn't developer the politically correct term? or software engineer? sounds classier :-)
[13:49] <Shockrates> lol
[13:49] <BluesKaj> amik, dunno if the md5 sum has been updated from the RC, there seems to be a problem there ...forgotten who pointed that out yesterday
[13:49] <adaptr> code monkey
[13:50] <amik> BluesKaj, Shockrates: I think Shock wants to md5 and arbitrary file, not the karmic iso - is that what u meant?
[13:50] <Shockrates> in the future i will use metalinks
[13:50] <Shockrates> :D
[13:51] <javier> Hi, could someone help me? after upgrading to Karmic Koala I've problems with my sources of software
[13:51] <javier> I cannot do "sudo apt-get update" neither from KpackageKit
[13:51] <BluesKaj> amik, ok, I thought it would affect all apps not updated to the official release
[13:52]  * amik is scared Mamarok will bark at him for saying something unrelated to support :-/
[13:52] <javier> how could I reset my souce.list?
[13:52] <alberto> hi
[13:52] <amik> BluesKaj: huh?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> javier, are you upgrading from jaunty?
[13:52] <alberto> i can't start KDE
[13:52] <javier> yes
[13:52] <amik> alberto: what happens?
[13:52] <alberto> because Xorg restart
[13:53] <BluesKaj> amik nm , I'm not quite awake yet , just ignore that :)
[13:53] <alberto> I deleted compiz
[13:53] <alberto> any ideas?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> javier, use the update-manager
[13:53] <amik> alberto: what system r u running? which release? what have u done to it? did it work before?
[13:54] <alberto> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10
[13:54] <amik> alberto: a fresh install? or upgrade?
[13:54] <alberto> I purged compiz from Ubuntu
[13:55] <alberto> fresh install
[13:55] <javier> blueskaj: could you please tell me more about that?
[13:55] <amik> alberto: and u want to switch to Kubuntu (i.e. add KDE)?
[13:55] <alberto> yeak
[13:55] <alberto> *yes
[13:56] <amik> alberto: so from the fresh working Ubuntu installation, what did u do?
[13:56] <maxvanceffer> u can just can type in console sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[13:56] <BluesKaj> javier . alt+f2 type update-manager
[13:56] <amik> alberto: to go Kubuntu, u need to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[13:57] <m3F> how could i tell phonon to play surround? mixer is set ok and Phonon test front and rear ok, but when i play amarok i just hear fronts
[13:57] <alberto> I installed kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[13:57] <alberto> but the problem persist
[13:57] <amik> alberto: the problem started before installing kubuntu-desktop?
[13:58] <amik> amik: on the fresh Ubuntu?
[13:58] <alberto> no
[13:58] <BluesKaj> javier, if you don't have it installed , in the konsole : sudo aptitude install update-manager
[13:58] <m3F> and when i put Rear device at the top of the list in Phonon Amarok plays through rear and not through fronts, what do i have to do?
[13:58] <alberto> I installed kdebase and kubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <alberto> At same time
[13:58] <amik> alberto: sorry for the questions, just trying to figure out the order of events leading to the problem :-)
[13:58] <m3F> (Using Kubuntu Karmic official)
[13:59] <alberto> I had problems with compiz before
[13:59] <alberto> But it's solved
[14:00] <alberto> Any ideas?
[14:00] <amik> alberto: btw, if it's a very fresh install with nothing of importance on it, it might be quicker and cleaner to just install Kubuntu from scratch :-)
[14:00] <amik> alberto: (when switching, you're still left with lots of gnome (ubuntu) stuff lying around...)
[14:00] <m3F> btw, window decoration in KDE is really awful, plasma is great, but kwd is really awful
[14:01] <alberto> I tried with live CD of Kubuntu
[14:01] <amik> m3F: what's kwd?
[14:01] <Luggage> Heya, is %sudo apt-get purge nvidia-glx-180 enough te uninstall the drivers before installing the 190.42 drivers with the installer from nvidia.com? or do I have to manually chase all the dependencies (the modaliases-packages for example)
[14:02] <m3F> KDE Window decorator :D amik
[14:02] <alberto> It had the same problem
[14:02] <amik> Luggage: when I did that, I just unchecked the previous drivers from the hardware manager gui, restarted, and proceeded to install the nvidia drivers
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !pm | javier
[14:03] <amik> alberto: oh... so u'r having problems straight from the kubuntu livecd, unrelated to the upgrade/switch...
[14:03] <alberto> yeah
[14:03] <m3F> there must be visual artists that can make a great job with kde4 window decorator, i do not know why it is so awful and keep being like that for so long :D
[14:04] <Luggage> hmm cause I installed them using apt-get nvidia-glx-180, I cant activate the one showing in hardware config though, but the acceleration from the 180 drivers is clearly there now, just not good enough yet so wanted to try newer drivers :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok javier , alt +f2 , kdesudo kate /etcapt/source.list
[14:04] <DavidR> hello!
[14:04] <amik> m3F: is that the deco seen in a regular kubuntu install? or does plasma (installed by default) change it?
[14:04] <javier> When trying to install "update-manager" it gives me an error, saying that line 5 of /etc/apt/sources.list is bad
[14:04] <gl_> alberto: what is the problem (sorry I arrived here late to the chat)
[14:05] <DavidR> i want to install kubuntu 9.10 to my notebook via lan
[14:05] <javier> (sorry for asking to bluesKaj in a different channel, just, didnt know that wasnt the way)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> oops javier, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/source.list
[14:05] <m3F> amik: kwd by default fresh install of Karmic or Jaunty or what ever
[14:05] <BluesKaj> damn
[14:05] <OpenMaster> daDudeMan 64 bytes from www.google.com (74.125.39.105) : icmp_seq=67 ttl=53 100ms
[14:05] <alberto> I can't start KDE because Xorg restart
[14:05] <amik> m3F: well it's a tad ugly, but I always considered it to be the 'Linux' look :-)
[14:05] <m3F> it is the official kde4 window decorator, it is awful!! :D amik
[14:05] <OpenMaster> 67 and 100 change
[14:05] <Luggage> ill just bite the bullet and purge 180 and run the installer. brb (i hope)
[14:05] <aLeSD> mmm
[14:05] <Alcapond> Hi - I have a problem with wlan after new install of karmic kubuntu... Knetworkmanager does not show any wlans anymore - and my WLAN signal lamb is of (bluetooth seems to work though) - got an Lenovo Z61m - any help there? Thx!
[14:05] <DavidR> i already set up a tftpd, and dhcp server and everything is fine. the only thing i need is someone to tell me how to bind the cd image into the tftp server
[14:06] <aLeSD> I'm from gnome
[14:06] <aLeSD> how is kubuntu ?
[14:06] <gl_> alberto: and that is from the kubuntu-desktop live cd?
[14:06] <m3F> Linux look? that would be in the past, now the thing is visual art, amik
[14:06] <amik> Luggage: I may be wrong, but iirc apt-get and the manager gui do the same thing, i.e. installing/uninstalling one shows in the other
[14:06] <alberto> yes too
[14:06] <javier> ah, I cannot open it
[14:06] <Alcapond> BTW: karmic koala really rocks - great work :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> javier sorry this the correct command , alt+f2, then,  kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:06] <amik> m3F: my windows decorations claim otherwise :-p
[14:07] <maxvanceffer> Karmic is very big setp forward, i think.
[14:07] <javier> but I get empty document from Kate
[14:07] <gl_> alberto: what computer is that (and what video card)
[14:07] <DavidR> can anyone help me with the tftp?
[14:07] <amik> alberto: I'm still confused - if u have problems straight from the livecd, what xorg restart are u referring to?
[14:07] <alberto> It's a laptop
[14:08] <alberto> VIA Unichrome pro VN800
[14:08] <gl_>  what video card
[14:08] <m3F> ok, my real problem is sound system, it does not play surround
[14:08] <alberto> Via Unichrome
[14:08] <m3F> karmic does not play surround through amarok
[14:08] <BluesKaj> this old KB is letting me down , needs cleaning
[14:08] <m3F> but phonon test front and rear very well
[14:09] <amik> alberto: it rocks! (well, what did u expect asking in this channel :-) )
[14:09] <m3F> PulseAudio fails in Kubuntu karmic
[14:09] <alberto> amik: I tried it in same computer (Kde descktop from ubuntu installation and Kubuntu live CD
[14:09] <m3F> by default
[14:10] <amik> alberto: oops, that was to someone else
[14:10] <amik> aLeSD: it rocks! (well, what did u expect asking in this channel :-) )
[14:10] <BluesKaj> javier , open your package manager , which one do you use ?
[14:10] <gl_> alberto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306356
[14:10] <gl_> alberto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[14:10] <m3F> ok, nobody seem to know about sound system in Kubuntu :D
[14:10] <javier> kpackagekit I'm using
[14:11] <alberto> It isn't my problem gl_
[14:11] <amik> m3F: sorry...
[14:11] <javier> when writting "sudo kate /etc/apt/source.list in konsole I get: "error: /var/tmp/kdecache-jacier is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0"
[14:11] <amik> alberto: ok, so u boot from the livecd... what exactly happens?
[14:11] <javier> "error: /tmp/kde-javier is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0"
[14:12] <alberto> I watch KDM
[14:13] <jimmy51_> hello, i just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and have lost my sound.  what do i do?
[14:13] <alberto> d
[14:14] <alberto> what's happening?
[14:14] <alberto>  but when I try login into kubuntu Xorg restart
[14:14] <BluesKaj> javier , no, use the run box , open it with  alt+f2  keys, then copy and paste this path into the box, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:14] <Alcapond> Need some support setting up my WLAN... Does not work out of the box.. Here is some info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/305941/
[14:15] <javier> BluesKaj, ah, finally, i got it. Thought I did that before.
[14:15] <amik> alberto: so u see the graphic colorful login screen (not a black console?), enter your credentials, and then x restarts and you're back at the same login screen? or somewhere else?
[14:15] <OpenMaster> wowowowow It works!!! It's strange but the network works even if I didn't make anything
[14:15] <Alcapond> And KNetworkmanager does not find any networks nearby
[14:16] <jackrabbit> I need some help setting up a bluetooth headset.  I've tried following the instructions on the forums but no luck
[14:16] <alberto> yes
[14:16] <alberto> I'm back at the same login screen
[14:16] <BluesKaj> javier, look in kpackage kit , choose settings>click on 'edit software sources'
[14:16] <javier> BluesKaj, line 5 (the error one) says "deb karmic main restricted"
[14:16] <jimmy51_> !sound
[14:17] <BluesKaj> javier , delete the line , we'llfix it with the package manager edit
[14:17] <jackrabbit> ubottu: I don't use arts
[14:17] <jimmy51_> hmm... it seems ubottu is telling me to check something that isn't there.
[14:17] <javier> BluesKaj, ok! done
[14:18] <amik> gl_: now that the symptoms are clearer, do u have any ideas for alberto?
[14:18] <jussi01> oh dear, that factoid needs updating
[14:18] <jussi01> jimmy51_: Im going to get that fixed soon, sorry for the inconvenince
[14:18] <javier> BluesKaj: I'm in kpackage kir software sources
[14:18] <jimmy51_> jussi01: hehe, no problem.  it's day 2 or a new release :)
[14:18] <jackrabbit> I've added http://paste.ubuntu.com/305944/ to my .asoundrc file
[14:18] <gl_> amik: no, sorry, I thought it was a video driver problem, but he can see the log in in graphic mode anyway
[14:19] <jackrabbit> and when I connect to my BT headset I can't see any btheadset device
[14:19] <jussi01> jimmy51_: thing is, arts hasnt been around for who knows how long. anyway, Ill fix it. moving on.
[14:19] <Ev0luti0n_> Fellas...
[14:19] <Ev0luti0n_> Anybody using tvtime or kdetv?
[14:19] <jimmy51_> jussi01: i'm running an intel HDA and i remember i had to do something trick for 8.04 to work.  i had heard 9.10 switches from alsa to pulse... is that true?  i don't know what pulse is, but i'm thinking it didn't work
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok javier , check mark all the boxes including the Other software tab , except the cdrom ,
[14:20] <jussi01> jimmy51_: nope, in kubuntu we have phonon.
[14:20] <alberto> gl_: i can use GNOME but no KDE
[14:20] <amik> alberto: can u look at the log file at /var/log/Xorg.0.log? are there any errors there when u try the login?
[14:20] <jussi01> jimmy51_: please make sure pulse isnt installed with sudo apt-get-remove --purge pulseaudio
[14:20] <jussi01> jimmy51_: please make sure pulse isnt installed with sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[14:20] <gl_> alberto: have you tried the kubunu-notebook CD?
[14:20] <jussi01> jimmy51_: second one is ocrrected :)
[14:20] <alberto> no gl_
[14:20] <javier> BluesKaj: ok, done it
[14:20] <jackrabbit> jussi01: that might be my problem too
[14:21] <BluesKaj> javier close kate and the packagekit
[14:21] <gl_> alberto: I think that it has a different installer
[14:21] <javier> BluesKaj: ok
[14:21] <k4ever> hi all.  i'm using kde 4.3.2 on jaunty (Kubuntu packages).  i don't get icons for k3b.  did google search but can't find a solution.  anyone know how to fix this?
[14:21] <avihay> anyone knows why firefox tryes to open most of the files I download with openoffice?
[14:21] <alberto> but I don't use a netbook
[14:21] <BluesKaj> javier , in the konsole , sudo aptitude update
[14:22] <jimmy51_> hehe
[14:22] <javier> BluesKaj: doesn't work, looks like it's a bigger problem... Now line 6 is the one wrong...
[14:23] <rohan> is there any repo, or any PPA, which has the older 0.8.x series of kaffeine? i don't like the new 1.0x series.
[14:23] <jimmy51_> should amarok be asking to use the kwallet?
[14:24] <javier> BluesKaj: I wonder if it is something with that URI?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> javier open your sources.list again , and copy and pastebin it
[14:24] <javier> ok
[14:26] <Alcapond> wlan not working after installation of karmic koala - need some help please! Thx!
[14:26] <OpenMaster> :( rebooting the pc the broblem is there
[14:26] <javier> BluesKaj: oh no, again. When I open it (by ALT+F2) I get empty kate document
[14:27] <BluesKaj> javier,  kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list ,make sure you have that exactly
[14:28] <BluesKaj> javier, copy and paste that into the run box
[14:28] <javier> BluesKaj: sorry, my mistake
[14:28] <javier> I have it
[14:29] <javier> do you want me to copy the whole text?
[14:29] <alberto> any ideas?
[14:30] <ferran> hi
[14:30] <BluesKaj> javier yes , and pastebin it..you know about pastebin , right ?
[14:31] <javier> BLuesKaj, oh no, I dont know what is pastebin...
[14:31] <BluesKaj> !paste | javier
[14:32] <gl_> alberto: not sure wheter one can do runlevel 3 in ubuntu, but what I would do is to boot in console mode then try 'startx' and see what errors are shown if any.
[14:32] <javier> http://paste.ubuntu.com/305951/
[14:32] <BluesKaj> javier, copy and paste the text into there,  then , copy the resulting url and number and paste that in here
[14:32] <alberto> Xorg.0.log hasn't any error
[14:33] <k4ever> any help with missing icons on k3b??
[14:34] <javier> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/305951/
[14:34] <BluesKaj> javier, delte all the text in your sources.list , close kate , then go into you r packagekit and do the software sources edit like before
[14:35] <BluesKaj> delete
[14:35] <roKB_> i can't find lanshark, plz someone provide a pointer where i  can find lanshark
[14:36] <carpii_> have you ever heard of google?
[14:36] <llutz> roKB_: http://lanshark.29a.ch/de/Downloads.html
[14:38] <roKB_> thanks
[14:38] <javier> BluesKaj: ok, I've it
[14:39] <javier> BluesKaj: just, now, in other sources, I don't have anything. But maybe that's ok also?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> javier, no list in Other sources?
[14:40] <javier> nop..
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ok javier now try , sudo aptitude update , in the konsole
[14:41] <javier> yes, that works now
[14:41]  * roKB_ sehwag and gambhir out. India need a matchwinner
[14:42] <BluesKaj> javier, now check your sources.list again
[14:42] <thibaut_> Hi all, I'm trying to install XAMPP on Kubuntu Hardy but I don't manage to find a downloadable archive. Could anyone link a valide host please?
[14:43] <graytech> Does kubunty work on systems with softwareRAID?
[14:43] <graytech> err ... kubuntu
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !raid
[14:43] <amik> anyone got karmic working on GMA500 (poulsbo)?
[14:43] <javier> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/305959/
[14:44] <graytech> I get it to work find when installing Ubuntu server ... but as soon as I add kubuntu-desktop, I can't login
[14:45] <amik> in konversation is there some way to highlight all messages written by me (like ones containing my nick are highlited)?
[14:45] <javier> Oh, I'm very very sorry, I just have to go... Thanks very very much BluesKaj, for all, I'll try to continue later. Thanks a lot!
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok, javier delete that , and copy this into your sources.list  http://paste.ubuntu.com/305962/
[14:48] <graytech> ubottu, I'm looking at those articles now (I've already seen them however) ... I have tried installing x-window-system-core before kubuntu-desktop and always end up wiht the same problem ... It seems the desktop version does not have RAID capabilities ... I just want the KDE desktop ... that's all.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> amik, there used to be a way to give your text a diff colour than just black ...dunno for sure if that option is till available
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hmm....
[14:51] <graytech> hmmm .. is there a server version of Kubuntu? maybe that might help me.
[14:52] <amik> graytech: there is only one server version (I thought it was headless...)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> amik, look in konversation settings >configure konversation > colors >check ,use custom colors blah blah, choose channel message option and set the colour for whatever you want
[14:54] <graytech> I may be missing somethign, but I have not been able to find sofwareRADE features on the worstation version of any *buntus ... am I missing something?
[14:55] <thibaut_> excuse-me, anyone using XAMPP?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> oops amik .bah  that changes everyone's text ..
[14:57] <amik> BluesKaj: thanx, I saw that checkbox but its text dosn't imply anything to do with my messages...
[14:57] <amik> BluesKaj: and, it appears to not have done anything
[14:57] <BluesKaj> yeah, sorry , it doesn't work like i thought it would
[14:58] <graytech> thibut, I have XAMPP running on my pc .. not an umbuntu tool that I'm aware of.
[14:59] <graytech> any ideas about how to get kde running on ubuntu server with sofwareRAID?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> amik you do have diff coloured text when your nick is in the text , right ?
[14:59] <amik> BluesKaj: yep, red (it's default)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !server
[15:00] <prv> hi all
[15:00] <prv> How's karmic
[15:00] <graytech> different collored text?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> it's fine
[15:00] <graytech> you can do that with mirc
[15:01] <amik> graytech: thanx, but we're discussin Konversation
[15:01] <illio> When I try to upgrade to 9.10 I get an error 127? Can I upgrade through the shell somehow instead?
[15:01] <graytech> ahhh ... I think it generates the colors using ansi codes
[15:03] <BluesKaj> odd that there's no setting for individual nick text linked colours
[15:04] <graytech> amik, I am unfamiliar with Konversation. but if you have presets, you might try creating some with the proper anci color codes to set colors. for the propers escape sequences, check out http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/ansi_color_codes.html
[15:05] <BluesKaj> illio, it's not advisable , use the update-manager
[15:05] <robin0800> amik I'm pretty sure konversation can color nicks and highlight messages
[15:06] <amik> thanks. I find it strange though that it's not a checkbox option. am I the first to want to be able to follow his own thread conveniently?
[15:06] <graytech> with mirc you get to colors using Ctrl-k
[15:06] <robin0800> amik: it is you just have to look
[15:06] <amik> robin0800: I went through the options, found nick colors, but not message highlighting of my own written messages... maybe I missed it?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> amik, I"ve been wondering about that myself , but there doesn't seem to be an option
[15:08] <graytech> any ideas about my issue? kde on ubuntu server ... or SofwareRAID on kubuntu? ... eather solution will work for me.
[15:08] <robin0800> amik: most irc chanels don't allow colors
[15:08] <graytech> I've been beating my head on this for a day and a half now. Each time I go thourhg a reinstall it takes a coupel hours.
[15:08] <amik> robin0800: I'm not looking for channel colors, but client-side colors, i.e. usability for myself
[15:09] <robin0800> amik: but you can have messages to you highlighted
[15:09] <amik> graytech: don't know much about raid, but it's strange that a desktop environment interferes with it :-/
[15:09] <carpii_> gray, i think you just need to sudo apt-get install kde-core
[15:09] <amik> robin0800: yes, that's on by default. but to follow my threads, I'd like to see both ways...
[15:09] <graytech> it does not actualy interfear wiht it. I is just not available during the installation.
[15:10] <robin0800> amik: try looking in notifcations for highlighting
[15:10] <BluesKaj> graytech, the colour codes are fine there many optional colours , it's the implementation option of those colours for one own text that is missing.
[15:10] <amik> robin0800: oooh! I think that's it!
[15:11] <graytech> I have two drives partitioned paired up and parrtitioned as raid1 (mirrored) .. I can do that with the server eddition ... but it does not seem to be available in the desktop eddition.
[15:11] <amik> robin0800: thanks!
[15:11] <yakuzi> graytech: you don't see your hdd's in the partitioning step of the installer and you have something raid alike?
[15:11] <cba123_> For some reason, my screen gets pixelated and I don't know why, seems to be some times when I play media, I currently I have kubuntu karmic nvidia 190 (just released on nvidia.com) drivers, happened when I had kubuntu jaunty and 185 drivers (with the hardware drivers from restricted drivers manager)  too http://imagebin.ca/view/HN8QHY.html
[15:11] <graytech> I just want to keep my raid configuration and have the kde desktop
[15:11] <robin0800> amik: Your nick should always be in the same color
[15:11] <amik> BluesKaj: it works! what robin said!
[15:12] <amik> robin0800: huh?
[15:12] <amik> BluesKaj: the checkbox at the bottom
[15:12] <graytech> I see the hdd's in the partitioning step. its just that there is no raid option when installing desktp (at least none I could see).
[15:12] <robin0800> graytech: you need the alternate cd
[15:13] <yakuzi> if you are using the normal install cd that's ok...if you want raid you need the alternate install cd
[15:13] <graytech> the drives are already configured as raid from a previous Suse installation. I have installed ubuntu server and the raid partion was found.
[15:13] <graytech> robin: that is the only thing I have not tried .. lol
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ok robin0800, amik , thanks :)
[15:14] <graytech> does the alternate version come with a gui? more specificaly kde?
[15:14] <graytech> robin:I'm assuming kubuntu alternate? .. right?
[15:14] <robin0800> graytech: yes
[15:14] <robin0800> graytech: yes
[15:15] <graytech> right on!!! ... ok. I'm off to see if this works. I will let you all know if you are still here when I'm dong ;) ... thanks again
[15:15] <BluesKaj> amik , strange that that nick text option isn't in the colors section , wth are they thinking :)
[15:15] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[15:16] <amik> BluesKaj: yep... although 'highlighting' is also relevant... let's call it 50-50 blame on us and them :-)
[15:17] <contrast> Is anyone here using Compiz with a panel set to autohide? It doesn't seem to work very well, wondering if there's a known workaround.
[15:18] <omar> I try to login into my KDE session, the splash screen appears and then the desktop does not appear.
[15:18] <omar> Only KdeWallet appears prompting me for the password.
[15:18] <omar> No desktop at all.
[15:18] <omar> Please?
[15:18] <omar> Any help?
[15:19] <yakuzi> anyone has had this problems already? I've a fresh 9.10 install with my / on ext4 and: i can't run aptitude update correctly, it hangs on something " trying to connect to be.archive.ubuntu.com", i can't connect to my wireless with hidden ssid (i know is networkmanager problem, but the sugested work around doesn't work...i can't install it so it seems ?) and, as extra...if i want to play mp3 or something, it says install extra codecs ets,
[15:19] <yakuzi>  i can do that...but then it says they are already installed...but it won't work (and i can't install kubuntu-restricted-extras...it's not there...)
[15:20] <contrast> yakuzi: I'd start by trying a different mirror for archive.ubuntu.com. Sounds like the one you're using may be kinda borked.
[15:20] <omar> The desktop fails to load when I log in to my KDE session, any help please?
[15:20] <amik> yakuzi: maybe try a different mirror?
[15:20] <amik> omar: on a fresh install? upgrade? karmic?
[15:21] <omar> amik: upgrade, karmix
[15:21] <omar> karmic*
[15:21] <amik> omar: did it stop working right with the upgrade?
[15:21] <illio> I'm getting the error "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127" whenever I try to upgrade from the upgrade manager.. so even though it's not advisable, it seems I don't have much choice but to try and upgrade from the shell.. how do I do that?
[15:21] <omar> amik: yes, ufter the upgrade.
[15:21] <omar> after*
[15:22] <contrast> omar: Try running this: "mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/.kde/share/apps/plasma* ~" - this will pretty much reset your desktop settings to the defaults.
[15:23] <Guest40625> wetawta
[15:23] <contrast> omar: Then run "plasma-desktop" and see if that fixed it. If not, you can run this to put the stuff back - "mv ~/plasma*rc ~/.kde/share/config/plasma; mv ~/plasma* ~/.kde/share/apps/"
[15:24] <amik> contrast: will plasma-desktop kill the session and start anew? or does he have to kill it first?
[15:25] <contrast> amik: If all he's got is a black screen, I'd imagine plasma-desktop isn't running. I've had these same symptoms, so I'm just suggesting what I did to get it working first. ;)
[15:25] <contrast> omar: Any luck?
[15:25] <javier> BluesKaj: Oh, thank, I did it. Everything is fine I think, just I need the KEY so some of them
[15:25] <amik> contrast: he said he got a blank screen, with a kwallet prompt - probably something that starts with the session, no?
[15:26] <omar> contrast: is says "not such file or directory"
[15:26] <ghostcube> anyone noticed that webcams not working with the current uvc driver in karmic ?
[15:26] <ghostcube> my can gets startet but no picture worked fine in jaubty
[15:27] <contrast> Point.
[15:28] <chimp-champ> Hi, my Karmic upgrader crashed after some time so  try to ugrade with the shell
[15:29] <chimp-champ> I think the upgrader crashed during installing the new programms
[15:29] <amik> omar: u tried the first mv command contrast wrote, yes?
[15:29] <contrast> omar: Ok, open up Dolphin (Alt+F2 -> dolphin), View -> Show Hidden Files -> go into .kde/share/config, then move anything starting with "plasma" in its name to your home folder, then go to .kde/share/apps/ and do the same.
[15:30] <chimp-champ> so I run sudo apt-get update  it failed as well
[15:30] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get -f install
[15:31] <chimp-champ> after some links of the package archives it says:  Couldnt get /var/lib/dpkg/lock - (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:31] <yakuzi> ok the problem with mp3, aptitude update, install firefox are solved with using an other server...i even could install the network-manager-gnome...but now i want to use that so i can use my wireless, how do i do that?
[15:31] <chimp-champ> Its a German translation from me
[15:32] <chimp-champ> it also says: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:32] <chimp-champ> But the updater etc. are closed
[15:32] <chimp-champ> can you hep me?
[15:33] <amik> chimp-champ: is this after what ghostcube said?
[15:33] <omar> contrast: actually I did it. But when I try alt-f2 and type "plasma-destop" it starts for a second and then gets back to darkness.
[15:34] <chimp-champ> there comes the same message
[15:34] <amik> omar: try ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x, it should take u back to the login screen
[15:35] <contrast> omar: Alt+F2 -> konsole -> "plasma-desktop" - pastebin the output.
[15:35] <contrast> !paste
[15:35] <omar> amik: it doesn't work.
[15:35] <alberto> hi again
[15:35] <amik> contrast: how should he kill the session?
[15:35] <omar> contrast: I can't see anything.
[15:35] <amik> hi alberto
[15:35] <alberto> I can't startup KDE with DRI enabled
[15:36] <contrast> amik: If it's just a black screen, plasma-desktop isn't running.
[15:37] <amik> alberto: any progress since before?
[15:37] <alberto> yes
[15:38] <alberto> I can start KDE
[15:38] <alberto> without DRI :'(
[15:38] <amik> omar: there's probably a shorter way to do it (not sure what state you're in), but try restarting. when u login next time, your default desktop should be recreated automatically.
[15:39] <amik> alberto: that's progress! :-)
[15:39] <amik> alberto: maybe it's the drivers, perhaps the link gl (I think) gave u earlier?
[15:40] <omar> amik: http://pastebin.com/m6aad572f
[15:41] <alberto> amik; i don't understand the problem
[15:41] <graytech> update, so far so good, alternate has RAID options in partioner :D
[15:42] <alberto> When i run GNOME Dri and Xorg works
[15:42] <alberto> With KDE crash
[15:42] <amik> alberto: I don't understand the problem either :-(
[15:43] <alberto> kwin effects are disabled
[15:44] <alberto> Xorg crash ONLY with a application which use 3D
[15:44] <alberto> like Compiz
[15:44] <alberto> like kde-decoration
[15:44] <alberto> during startup
[15:44] <omar> amik: any idea?
[15:45] <alberto> I think that the problem are in desktop effects
[15:45] <alberto> on KDE
[15:46] <amik> omar: I'm not sure what that means
[15:48] <varanus> alberto: what grafics card do you have?
[15:49] <alberto> Via Unichrome
[15:49] <amik> omar: maybe try renaming the entire ~/.kde forlder to a backup name and try over? just to make sure it's not a partial-configuration problem?
[15:51] <alberto> one moment
[15:51] <djSupport-linux> hiya quick questioon what does the sh command do and whats it actually stand for?
[15:52] <amik> djSupport-linux: it's a shell interpreter, and runs the following command under the shell. try 'man sh' to read about it...
[15:52] <djSupport-linux> amik: thank you
[15:53] <amik> djSupport-linux: try 'man <command>' on any command to read about it :-)
[15:54] <djSupport-linux> amik: thanks
[15:55] <amik> omar: any better?
[15:56] <avihay> anyone knows why firefox tryes to open most of the files I download with openoffice?
[15:56] <amik> avihay: which types of files?
[15:57] <avihay> umm, .deb
[15:57] <omar> amik: I also have Gnome installed. So I guess I'll log in their and re-install kde all together.
[15:57] <avihay> not just, but thats the last one
[15:57] <omar> amik: what do you think?
[15:57] <omar> there*
[15:58] <amik> amik: it just doesn't have the associations in place... u can choose a different program in the dialog that opens, or (as in .deb) save it and run it elsewhere
[15:58] <amik> omar: oh... is this an ubuntu install or kubuntu install? how did u add the other?
[15:59] <avihay> well, some times, in some file formats, it doesn't offer me options, or bluntly ignores me
[15:59] <avihay> and my name aint amik, amik
[15:59] <amik> amgarchIn9: ma laasot
[16:00] <omar> amik: it's an Ubuntu install. But later I apt-get installed Kubuntu desktop before the upgrade .
[16:00] <amik> avihay: yes, it's sometimes annoying, but I at least always got the option to save and handle it externally
[16:00] <omar> amik: it worked pretty well, until I upgraded.
[16:00] <amik> avihay: it's not as friendly as in windows, but it's not a serious problem (for me) :-)
[16:01] <omar> amik: I also did the same thing to the machine I'm talking to you from. Though I didn't face any problems with it even after the upgrade.
[16:02] <omar> amik: what do you think?
[16:02] <amik> omar: hmmm... you've just made a backup of ur kde folder anyway, so u can try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop, and maybe returning from backup (if there was something worth saving in there)
[16:03] <avihay> I'm just sick and tired of it
[16:03] <omar> amik: no, I didn't do the backup. Though I don't really have anything to loose.
[16:04] <avihay> amik: do you speak Hebrew?
[16:04] <omar> amik: I can reconfigure everything when it's fixed.
[16:04] <amik> omar: ok then, good luck (sorry we couldn't find a simpler solution)
[16:04] <lilyshu> i need help. java applet on ubuntu makes firefox not responding. thanks
[16:07] <ice-nine> Hi.  Wondering how people feel about Amarok 2.2.  I did not like Amarok 2.0 at all, and have been using 1.4 ever since.
[16:07] <shadeslayer> ice-nine: 2.2 is quite good imho
[16:07] <shadeslayer> ice-nine: but since ive never used 1.4 my opinion really doesnt matter :P
[16:08] <ice-nine> shadeslayer:  do you have an mp3 player that you use with 2.2.  The integration of my ipod was horrible in 2.0.
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ice-nine: my ipod nano works fine
[16:09] <dwidmann> ice-nine: 2.2 is much, much better
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ice-nine: its just a matter a figuring out a new interface
[16:10] <dwidmann> the defaults really haven't changed much ... but you the customizability has. You can  pretty much lay it out however you want to now
[16:10] <omar> amik: how do I totally remove kde?
[16:10] <amik> omar: if u installed kubuntu-desktop, u can apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[16:11] <omar> amik: even re-installing doesn't work..
[16:11] <DHillier> hullo, newbie just upgraded to 9.10 and kde's not loading, any help?
[16:12] <amik> omar: and u (re)moved your ~/.kde folder too?
[16:13] <ice-nine> How is the new version of KDE in the 9.10 release?  Last time I tried KDE 4, it was quite buggy.
[16:13] <Asad2005> I want to transfer my settings from my old /home/user/.evolution folder
[16:14] <Laeborg> ice-nine, KDE 4.3 is AWSUM!
[16:14] <Asad2005> How do i do it from 9.04 to 9.10
[16:14] <omar> amik: yeah I just did. One second.
[16:14] <Laeborg> I really like it :D
[16:14] <kgeek> does someone know good LAN chat application ??
[16:15] <pera> Avant Window Navigator vähä vaikeuksia ton ohjelman kans, miten siihen palkkiin saa esim firefoxin tahi rythmboxin lisättyyy?
[16:15] <ice-nine> Has anyone used this 9.10 release with multiple monitor configurations?
[16:15]  * kgeek wants to know some good lan chat program
[16:16] <kgeek> hey ubottu help me
[16:16] <omar> kgeek: ubottu is a bot.
[16:16] <amik> kgeek: I guess some would suggest an xmpp server with any compatible client
[16:16] <kgeek> that's why i asked her
[16:17] <kgeek> i don't want to run a server for lan chatting
[16:17] <kgeek> i am searching for Achat alternative for linux
[16:17] <kgeek> Achat is for windows only
[16:19] <ice-nine> kgeek, we used to use a chat program called ytalk
[16:19] <ice-nine> I doubt it is still around though.
[16:20] <kgeek> thanks for pointer, googling it
[16:20] <DHillier> just upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04 and I'm getting the command prompt. How can I get KDE back?
[16:20] <amik> kgeek: and there are ancient xterm and variants I guess
[16:21] <omar> amik: ahh... finally. :)
[16:21] <amik> kgeek: xchat, that is
[16:21] <amik> omar: what did it??
[16:21] <omar> amik: re-installation.
[16:21] <amik> omar: u said it failed too before... what did u try afterwards?
[16:22] <kgeek> amik: thanks
[16:23] <omar> amik: because I did not remove the .kde folder from home.
[16:23] <amik> omar: ah... so maybe it would have worked before the reinstall too :-)
[16:23] <omar> amik: well,. perhaps. :)
[16:24] <omar> amik: but that was a good experiment nonethe less. ;)
[16:24] <amik> omar: but as long as it works... congratulations!
[16:24] <omar> amik: yeah, man.
[16:24] <omar> amik: thanks. :)
[16:25] <amik> omar: I don't feel all that useful yet... but I think I'm upgrading from noob to medium user :)
[16:27] <omar> amik: that's good. ;)
[16:28] <amik> this channel really helps... I get to both help ppl with things I've encountered before, and learn from others helping others. and once in a while someone helps me too ;-)
[16:29] <amik> so, anyone got karmic working on GMA500?
[16:31] <VivaVista> can anyone help? I copied the contents of 9.10 in a USB key and chose Demo and Installation through WUBI but its not doing anything
[16:31] <Hardyhorn> lol
[16:32] <VivaVista> Anyone? :|
[16:32] <Hardyhorn> did you just copy the contents of the cd straight onto your usb key?
[16:32] <MsMaco> VivaVista: are you sure your computer can boot from usb?
[16:32] <MsMaco> neither of my laptops can
[16:33] <VivaVista> Yes I booted lots of linux fine before
[16:33] <VivaVista> Linux distros
[16:33] <cba123_> For some reason, my screen gets pixelated and I don't know why, seems to be some times when I play media, I currently I have kubuntu karmic nvidia 190 (just released on nvidia.com) drivers, happened when I had kubuntu jaunty and 185 drivers (with the hardware drivers from restricted drivers manager)  too http://imagebin.ca/view/HN8QHY.html
[16:33] <amik> VivaVista: had the same problem with wubi on jaunty, it showed an error in the log file that looked like a bug. I was hoping they fixed it by now...
[16:33] <VivaVista> It works with "install within windows"
[16:33] <Hardyhorn> VivaVista: you should use the usb creator tool in ubuntu. not sure if that's what you did
[16:33] <VivaVista> but I don't want that I tried "demo and installation" it says reboot now and it chose that option but it doesn't do anything
[16:34] <VivaVista> No I just used WUBI.exe , I thought WUBI would create a bootable copy or something
[16:34] <amik> u don't need boot from usb to use wubi, it's run from within windows
[16:34] <VivaVista> I mean, isn't that what its ofr?
[16:34] <VivaVista> for*
[16:34] <kgeek> amik: i asked for LAN chatting program, not Internet chatting
[16:34] <kgeek> amik: xchat is irc client
[16:34] <amik> kgeek: no, not that xchat, the original ancient xchat
[16:35] <Hardyhorn> VivaVista: wubi.exe is used to install ubuntu inside windows. the usb creator tool is to make a bootable ubuntu usb. whch do you want to do?
[16:35] <amik> kgeek: a little console one-on-one chat thing
[16:35] <VivaVista> I want to create a bootable USB,
[16:35] <VivaVista> But what about the "Demo and Installation" option on WUBI?
[16:35] <Hardyhorn> well, your pc won't pick it up as a bootable usb if you just copied the files straight over
[16:35] <kgeek> amik: can u provide link for ancient xchat
[16:36] <amik> wubi installs k/ubuntu on the hard disk, but without a separate partition (as if it were a windows program, but u can dual boot straight into it)
[16:36] <Hardyhorn> i think the "demo and installation" option on wubi assumes that you're using a bootable cd
[16:36] <amik> to make a bootable usb, use usb-creator, or in karmic theres a 'usb startup creator' in the menus
[16:36] <Hardyhorn> which is not what you're using, therefore your problem
[16:37] <VivaVista> I will try Ubuntu USB creator and see how it goes...
[16:37] <Hardyhorn> ok, that should work
[16:37] <amik> kgeek: not sure I can, it's something I remember from maybe 15 years ago :-)
[16:38] <DoubleD84> what's a good virtual drive program for KDE?
[16:39] <MsMaco> DoubleD84: virtual drive? like dropbox-type thing? i dont know any targetting Qt...
[16:40] <DoubleD84> just anything with gui front-end that I can mount images with
[16:40] <ivan__> .
[16:40] <VivaVista> Quick question
[16:40] <DoubleD84> I found kiso, but that doesn't look like it's been touched in 4yrs
[16:40] <VivaVista> where can I find the USB creator, google brings up I guess ubuntu packages for the program
[16:41] <amik> VivaVista: u can install the usb-creator package (apt-get install usb-creator, or from kpackagekit, etc)
[16:41] <mushroomblue> failing usb-creator, you can use unetbootin
[16:42] <mushroomblue> which is cross-platform, if you're stuck doing it from a Winders box.
[16:42] <VivaVista> I'm using windows at the moment, is there an .Exe version?
[16:42] <mushroomblue> yep.
[16:42] <VivaVista> ok
[16:42] <VivaVista> UNETBootin it is then
[16:42] <mushroomblue> I think it's unetbootin.sourceforge.net
[16:43] <mushroomblue> just download the iso, and manually write to USB. don't use the drop-down menu. :)
[16:43] <mushroomblue> unetbootin, if you use the "select distribution" drop-down, re-downloads the image.
[16:45] <graytech> I just got finished installing Kubuntu Alternate. I'm still having the same problem. The KDE login comes up. but when I login, the screen goes blank and then I'm returned to the login screen. It's like the gui is not loading
[16:45] <graytech> any ideas?
[16:46] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[16:46] <Hardyhorn> sounds like there's a problem with xorg, so yes, that would be the gui not loading
[16:46] <mushroomblue> either a problem with xorg, or kdm
[16:47] <Hardyhorn> which graphics card do you have?
[16:47] <graytech> hmmmm ... it is a fresh install. I even reformated root.
[16:47] <mushroomblue> Hardyhorn: if it was a graphics card problem, would it even come up to KDM?
[16:47] <graytech> You know, this is an old mothballed machine, I'm pulling out of retirement. I'm not really sure. I can find out thorugh ;)
[16:48] <Hardyhorn> it might be because his xorg.conf isn't set up correctly for his graphics card. i've had that problem before
[16:48] <rork> does it always take a couple of seconds (about 11) to load a menuitem in kmenueditor?
[16:48] <graytech> I'm going to have to look inside the box ... one sec ;)
[16:48] <mushroomblue> Hardyhorn: you've had the problem where Xorg will load, KDM will start, and then Xorg will die as soon as you login?
[16:48] <amik> kgeek: I just found http://retromessenger.sourceforge.net/, maybe it'll help?
[16:48] <Hardyhorn> yup, exactly that
[16:49] <mushroomblue> wouldn't that be, at best, an xinitrc problem?
[16:49] <mushroomblue> because Xorg not loading would be choking on graphics driver. and that'd happen long before you got a login prompt.
[16:49] <mushroomblue> you'd see an error about no screens found.
[16:50] <Hardyhorn> hmmm i think you're right. i've had multiple graphics problems. i think i'm confusing them with each other
[16:50] <fl4sh> hi guys, I need help again :(
[16:50] <fl4sh> I've upgraded to 9.10
[16:50] <fl4sh> but now my wlan doesn't work!
[16:51] <mushroomblue> graytech: create another user, see if it works?
[16:51] <Hardyhorn> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[16:51] <fl4sh> I'm currently in windows :-/
[16:51] <fl4sh> kubuntu 9.10
[16:51] <mushroomblue> graytech: like, at a terminal, sudo -i, then adduser <username>
[16:51] <Hardyhorn> oh. my wlan didnt work with kubuntu 9.10 either
[16:51] <Hardyhorn> havent solved it yet
[16:51] <mushroomblue> graytech: then try to log in via KDM with that new user.
[16:52] <fl4sh> well, it does find the wlans' ssid
[16:52] <fl4sh> but it can't connect
[16:52] <Hardyhorn> yes, same here. once i've added the wlan connection it's not in the list
[16:52] <kgeek> amik: thanks for ur effort
[16:52] <Hardyhorn> but it finds my router
[16:52] <graytech> forgive me .. I was under the desk looking at the computer ...
[16:53] <amik> kgeek: I'd be happy to hear your solution when u find it :-)
[16:53] <fl4sh> maybe it's just a wrong driver?
[16:53] <graytech> I'm going to tey the new user idea. It may be pulling legacy information from the user on the home volume. it was used in antoehr installation.
[16:53] <Hardyhorn> i doubt it. if the driver was wrong it wouldnt even be able to pick up the ssids
[16:54] <fl4sh> good arguement :D
[16:54] <amgarchIn9> anymody knows how to disable UbuntuOne applet from starting on login in KDE sessions?
[16:54] <graytech> btw ... the computer is a white box with an onboard graphics connection. need to do a little research to find out what it is using.
[16:54] <Hardyhorn> it's a problem with kubuntu specificall. cause under ubuntu 9.10 my wlan works perfectly
[16:54] <graytech> may be back shortly ;)
[16:54] <fl4sh> damn :-/
[16:55] <fl4sh> does lan work?
[16:55] <fl4sh> didn't have time to test it so far
[16:55] <Hardyhorn> lan works yeah
[16:55] <Hardyhorn> connected via lan right now :)
[16:56] <fl4sh> I've got the damned router in our restaurants middle :D
[16:56] <fl4sh> I can't walk in right now :-/
[16:56] <amik> amgarchIn9: I don't know what that is, but if it has any settings or configuration, it might be there (maybe in a right click menu?). That being said, the ~/.kde/Autostart folder contains references to all apps that start with kde...
[16:56] <amik> amgarchIn9: and they may have added it to the system settings too at some point...
[16:57] <fl4sh> and when will this bug (?) get fixed?
[16:58] <cba123_> amgarchIn9, It should be under the system settings, there should be an "autostart" option
[16:58] <Hardyhorn> no idea. i still want to see if i can figure out what's wrong
[16:58] <Hardyhorn> or maybe get a workaround
[16:59] <gh0zt> is kubuntu interface really confusing or am i just really stupid?
[16:59] <fl4sh> Hardyhorn: do you want to tell me when you've got the solution? :P
[16:59] <cba123_> gh0zt, Neither, you are not used to kde
[17:00] <amgarchIn9> amik: that is the new thing in 9.10, like Dropbox, only less stable. You cannot even uninstall it if you want to keep "ubuntu-desktop". I cheked the usual suspects ~/.kde/Autostartr, ~/.kde/share/autostart
[17:00] <VivaVista> ok great
[17:00] <VivaVista> I booted up in USB it worked =D
[17:00] <VivaVista> Thank you
[17:00] <VivaVista> 9.10 looks great!
[17:00] <amgarchIn9> gh0zt: you really want an answer from us?
[17:00] <cba123_> amgarchIn9, Did you check in the system-settings configuration thing?
[17:01] <gh0zt> i'm trying to use firefox from live usb, i click internet, click install firefox and then... where does it go to launch?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> VivaVista: :D
[17:01] <VivaVista> hi :D
[17:01] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: hmm... well it should launch a fancy installer
[17:02] <gh0zt> it did
[17:02] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: click install,kpackagekit should launch in a few secs
[17:02] <amgarchIn9> amik, cba123_: I see it  now, thanks, where are those settings stored then? I thought that is what the autostart directories are for
[17:03] <gh0zt> oh i see, it then removes the installer and puts it where the installer was, i expected it to be in the application thing on right
[17:03] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: yep :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: btw i would recommend rekonq as a browser ( its in the repos too :D )
[17:04] <VivaVista> Another question. I have 8 GB unpartitioned space on my HD, if I install Kubuntu there and like it, can I format the rest of my hard drive windows partition and extend Kubuntu's partition?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> VivaVista: that is possible only if the 2 partitions are side by side
[17:05] <gh0zt> hmm right click on desktop does nothing, what a waste of a mouse button
[17:05] <gh0zt> lol
[17:05] <amik> gh0zt: if ur original question was about kubuntu-netbook - I'd definitely say yes...
[17:05] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: 0.0
[17:05] <shadeslayer> gh0zt: right click works here....
[17:05] <gh0zt> yeah it's the netbook version
[17:05] <Bsims> I just upgraded to karmic and everything works but my keyboard lights... numlock nor capslock work anyone have any ideas?
[17:06] <PRO-DRIVE> guys whats wrong with 9.10 ?!! it doesn't complete the installation with me ! ?
[17:06] <kaddi> I think I found a bug in plasma-desktop, but I'm not sure if it is of any relevance. :p I launched plasma-desktop from terminal and now it brings the following errormessage:couldn't create image from  "/home/jan/branding.png". I have no account named jan on my PC
[17:06] <shadeslayer> PRO-DRIVE: did you check the ISO and the CD ?
[17:07] <PRO-DRIVE> shadeslayer: i use usb memory
[17:07] <shadeslayer> PRO-DRIVE: ok,after you boot the usb,run a check on it
[17:07] <amik> gh0zt: ah... my first 60-second experience with kubuntu-netbook was... WTF?
[17:08] <PRO-DRIVE> shadeslayer:  and the MD5 sum is the same !
[17:08] <shadeslayer> PRO-DRIVE: it should be a option like : Check CD : or something
[17:08] <gh0zt> amik: i'm done with it, trashed it already it was driving me crazy
[17:08] <fl4sh> has everybody problems with the wlan in 9.10?
[17:08] <amik> gh0zt: there's #kubuntu-netbook channel, though it's mostly dead...
[17:09] <gh0zt> amik: i'm not surprised it's dead, most people probably did what i just did
[17:09] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: nopw
[17:09] <amik> gh0zt: luckily, I tried it in virtualbox first - and I don't intend on installing it... I'll go for the regular version
[17:09] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: what card?
[17:09] <fl4sh> atheros 5005g
[17:09] <amik> gh0zt: maybe we can convince them to redo it :-)
[17:09] <gh0zt> amik: it was on my usb key, thank goodness for live versions
[17:09] <fl4sh> it's an older laptop, but it worked with 8 / 9
[17:09] <fl4sh> .04
[17:10] <gh0zt> amik: i might try full blown desktop version though, maybe it's better
[17:10] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[17:11] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported : too
[17:11] <amik> gh0zt: that's what I'll do. if I can get it to work with GMA500 netbook... otherwise the win xp saga continues :-(
[17:11] <Quintasan> gh0zt: It's even written on kubuntu.org, Netbook ain't ready yet, it's just a preview
[17:11] <gh0zt> amik: karmic koala is really nice
[17:12] <gh0zt> Quintasan: i'll try it again when they improve it, no worries i love the other ubuntu stuff
[17:12] <amik> gh0zt: I know, but apparently they dropped support for GMA500 drivers. someone suggested a workaround in launchpad... we'll see.
[17:12] <Bsims> I just upgraded to karmic and everything works but my keyboard lights... numlock nor capslock work anyone have any ideas?
[17:13] <amik> Quintasan: true, but they did release it as a release... it seems as if they did so without anyone giving it a 30-second usability test.
[17:14] <fl4sh> shadeslayer: do I need network connection to do that?
[17:14] <graytech> ok ... I'm back ... seems the new user didn't help with the login prolem
[17:14] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: yeah..
[17:14] <amik> Quintasan: they give the impression that it's not feature-complete, but quite usable.
[17:15] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: it might be a kde n/w manager problem too.... so try installing wicd too
[17:16] <fl4sh> damn :-/ I've got no connection :-/
[17:16] <SJr> I suspect that my upgrade to Karmic didn't go so well, it got locked up a few times, and thten I finally just completed it with dpkg --configure -a, but now my system seems unstable, things like Appport crash, I can't hibernate or suspend to RAM and bring the system back up.
[17:16] <shadeslayer> fl4sh: not even ethernet?
[17:17] <fl4sh> I wasn't able to try yet
[17:17] <fl4sh> Can't reach the router :D
[17:17] <graytech> to recap, I'm not able to login on Kubuntu via the gui. I get the login screen but when I login, the computer things for a bit and then dumps me back to the login screen. I can login ok at the console. just not via gui.
[17:17] <fl4sh> the router is in our restaurants room, I can't just walk through the guys and plug my notebook in :D
[17:17] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[17:17] <graytech> I created a new user and that didnt' work either. same thing happens with the new user.
[17:18] <CPrgmSwR2> I just learned that I have sound comming out of my headphone jack on my laptop, I would really like for the sound to come out of the speakers instead
[17:18] <BenPA> help ... new version (9.10) will not allow me to boot ...  have dell laptop 2650
[17:19] <shadeslayer> BenPA: whats the exact problem?
[17:20] <BenPA> it  starts to boot and stop at   "starting up ...         kernel 2.6.31-14-generic
[17:20] <hackndoes> sorry for asking such a stupid question but cant find the answer anywhere, where do i get the twitter plasmoid? widget?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> BenPA: can you boot the recovery option?
[17:20] <Blacky_> kde-look.org
[17:21] <shadeslayer> hackndoes: add widget > microblogging widget
[17:21] <BenPA> shadeslayer: hold a sec
[17:21] <kaddi> graytech: there was another person in here the other day that had his home partition on a different partition, he needed to adjust the path and everything was fixed.. maybe you have a similar set up?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> hackndoes: then go to the settings and set the API to twitter or identi.ca
[17:22] <hackndoes> shadeslayer: thanks alot
[17:22] <shadeslayer> hackndoes: no probs :)
[17:22] <graytech> I have the home on a different partition as well . it is on a raid partition.
[17:22] <BenPA> shadeslayer: it stops the recovery mode at .... 0.157734 pci 0000:00:1e.0 PREFETCH window 0x10000000-0x15ffffff
[17:24] <kaddi> graytech: then it might be worth checking if it is mounting the correct partition as home
[17:24] <BenPA> shadeslayer: this it the first boot after install
[17:24] <shadeslayer> BenPA: did it generate any errors during the install?
[17:25] <BenPA> shadeslayer: no
[17:25] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:25] <kaddi> are there no updates from RC to final versions? I haven't gotten any updates in the last 3 days and I'm starting to wonder..
[17:25] <kaddi> if something is wrong with my karmic install or if everything is fine
[17:25] <shadeslayer> kaddi: i got some updates today'
[17:26] <shadeslayer> kaddi: what server?
[17:26] <kaddi> archive.ubuntu.com
[17:26] <BenPA> shadeslayer: FYI the last line I gave was under PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:02
[17:26] <kaddi> shadeslayer: did you add some servers for the release?
[17:26] <graytech> kaddi: forgive me, I'm a bit of a noob to kubuntu, what do you mean by the "correct partition".
[17:26] <BenPA> shadeslayer: FYI the last line I gave was under IO windiw 0x3000-0x3fff
[17:27] <graytech> kaddi: do you mean all on the same drive?
[17:27] <BenPA> shadeslayer: FYI the last line I gave was under MeM window : 0xe8000000-0xe80ffff
[17:27] <shadeslayer> BenPA: ok
[17:27] <kaddi> graytech: I can really only give you hints, cause I did not ask how he fixed his problems. He said the problem was the separate partition and that he fixed the path to his partition to work
[17:27] <shadeslayer> BenPA: did you check the ISO and the USB/CD after writing to it?
[17:28] <kaddi> graytech: when you log into command line are you in your home folder?
[17:28] <graytech> kaddi: yes
[17:28] <BenPA> shadeslayer: I downloaded from auto install update program
[17:29] <BenPA> shadeslayer: I think it was apt
[17:29] <graytech> the partitions work great on the cli ... I also had a version of Suse running fine in this configuation. I also had Ubuntu server with Gnome runinng without a problem ... it's just when I try KDE
[17:29] <BenPA> shadeslayer: the update/ upgrade icon appeared and I just clicked on it
[17:30] <shadeslayer> BenPA: ok,looks like some of the packages have not been configured.... not sure though
[17:30] <graytech> I just want to run Ubuntu with KDE and still have the raid available for users home directories
[17:30] <BenPA> shadeslayer: ok ... what should I try
[17:31] <graytech> I've been at this now for almost two days with countless installs (each taking over an hour)
[17:31] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:31] <kaddi> graytech: sry I can't help with that probably. Last ressort if you believe that it might be a kde problem, then you could try moving the .kde folder to .kde-backup and try to login again.. but I guess it isn't seeing the home
[17:31] <amik> Shaxor_: maybe user 'guest' with no password?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> BenPA: just keep asking here,maybe someone will eventually come up with a answer
[17:32] <BenPA> shadeslayer: ugh
[17:32] <BenPA> shadeslayer: should I try and download iso maybe?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> BenPA: im sorry but all i can think of is a)a reinstall or b)try a chroot
[17:33] <graytech> well ... I wil try and experiment with the home folder. but I'm getting discuouraged as this is taking up a ton of my time. I was pretty excited about the idea when I started
[17:33] <BenPA> shadeslayer: what is chroot?
[17:33] <BenPA> or how do I do a reinstall?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> BenPA: well you take a live cd and try to get into the installed system via a terminal
[17:34] <kgeek> roKB: does that retro messanger worked on  ur system
[17:34] <shadeslayer> BenPA: download a ISO,write to a CD or USB drive
[17:34] <mauri> is it possble install karmic on external usb Hard drive?
[17:34] <BenPA> ok, I will try the download .... luckily I have 2 machines
[17:35] <BenPA> ok, I will try the download .... which is the fasted download?
[17:36] <graytech> thanks for the ideas however kaddi. At least it has prevented me from hitting a dead end. I'm off to go at this some more. Take care, Gray
[17:36] <Shaxor_> no luck Amik
[17:36] <kaddi> I wish you good luck graytech, I hope you'll find your solution soon :)
[17:36] <graytech> kaddi: thx
[17:36] <Shaxor_> also how do i whisper some one?
[17:41] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:45] <mauri> is it possble install karmic on external usb Hard drive?
[17:45] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, but before it moves, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:48] <Shaxor_> anyone?
[17:48] <Shaxor_> HI, I got my samba shares to work now but every time i try to move or copy a file over, but before it moves, a authorization dialog comes up and asks for a username and password but i don't know them, is there something im doing wrong?
[17:48] <amik> Shaxor_: sorry...
[17:49] <Shaxor_> Don't worry about it
[17:49] <Shaxor_> Just trying to see if anyone else has had this problem and a way to fix it or get around it
[17:49] <amik> Shaxor_: did u tinker around with all the settings when right-clicking on a folder and choosing the sharing options? I recall it needed some getting used to till I got mine working (but I don't remember the particular steps I took)
[17:52] <tehboriz>  hey guys i just updated to 9.10... and my wireless doesn't work anymore :( ndiswrapper is fine but my hidden network won't connect.. wifi-radar doesn't work either
[17:53] <Shaxor_> Well I tried using that but all it did was lock me out of my network, so some one told me to configur samba my self, I can set share folders but i can't  move files form the other computers on my network, when i try it asks to a password and a username
[17:53] <Shockrates> guys
[17:53] <Shockrates> i have a laptop intel core 2 duo 2.54ghz. is using gentoo a wise choice? i dont like to wait to long to compile
[17:53] <amik> Shockrates: oh, so it's accessible from other machines but in read-only mode?
[17:54] <tehboriz> Shockrates, you should be using kubuntu...
[17:54] <Shockrates> i am
[17:54] <tehboriz> good choice
[17:55] <Shaxor_> I can't move folders from the other computers on my network, but the folders on ther other computer are set to let anyone in them and move them around
[17:55] <genu> hey, I don't know what I did..but now when I try to install new software from the software manager, I get this message: "You do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action."
[17:55] <genu> what can i do?
[17:56] <genu> (I had changed some settings for my user from the user manager, but I've set them back...)
[17:56] <tehboriz> genu, run it under console with sudo in front of it
[17:56] <genu> infront of what?
[17:56] <tehboriz> so nobody knows how to get wireless working again?
[17:56] <tehboriz> genu, in konsole type in sudo kpackagekit
[17:57] <genu> o ok...how can I make it work, however, by just openeing it normally?
[17:57] <tehboriz> uhh
[17:58] <tehboriz> heh good question i dont know im nub at linux
[17:58] <genu> o ok...i guess I can do sudo for now...
[17:58] <amik> Shaxor_: can u copy a file from a different computer into the ubuntu folder (when accessed from the other computer)?
[17:59] <tehboriz> genu, i actually get the same error if i do it without the console
[17:59] <Shaxor_> I haven't tried
[17:59] <Shaxor_> Should i?
[18:02] <teliti> Hi. Does anyone  knows how to get the mic working on Nenovo s10e?
[18:03] <teliti> Alsasound is ok, but no in e.g. Skype ...
[18:03] <fl4sh> :( hi there guys
[18:03] <fl4sh> Hardyhorn:
[18:03] <kebomix> aaaaaaaaaah ,  i hate ATIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[18:03] <fl4sh> doens't work :(
[18:03] <kebomix> :@ :@ @
[18:03] <kebomix> this is the 2nd day trying to solve ati driver problem :S :S
[18:04] <kebomix> their  catalyst 9.10  cause kernel panic  :S
[18:04] <paul__> I realize that this is not the programming room, but ...  does anyone know a good fortran command to check if a value entered is a real number and not just a random character from the keyboard?
[18:04] <fl4sh> can someone help me with my wlan-problem?
[18:04] <kebomix> paul_: #fortran
[18:05] <fl4sh> I can see my wlan-router, but I can't connect since the upgrade to kubuntu 9.10 :(
[18:06] <tehboriz> ME TOO
[18:07] <paul__> kebomix: no one has spoken in there for 2 days :(
[18:07] <kebomix> fl4sh: click on wifi icon >> connect to other network >> choose your network
[18:08] <kebomix> paul_: why u do programming in fortran ?
[18:08] <tehboriz> kebomix, doesn't work for me it still says not connected
[18:08] <fl4sh> kebomix:
[18:08] <fl4sh> doesn't work
[18:08] <fl4sh> same prob as tehboriz
[18:09] <paul__> I'm editing an old program :(
[18:09] <kebomix> paul_: aha , i do study assembly in college,  have a quiz 2morrow :D
[18:10] <tehboriz> fl4sh, i connected via ethernet and am updating wifi-radar
[18:10] <tehboriz> that might help
[18:10] <kebomix> paul_: may be u can find hel on #fedora
[18:10] <kebomix> help*
[18:11] <Guest25650> Anyone else do a fresh install of 9.10 and have problems with VLC, Banshee, or Listen?
[18:13] <fl4sh_> sorry, chatzilla hat a problem^^
[18:14] <fl4sh_> what exactly do you mean with update wifi radar?
[18:16] <eli_> when i play video i have no sound. but when 9.10 loads i hear the startup tune. what did i do wrong?
[18:18] <tehboriz> fl4sh, my network widget never worked so i used wifi-radar and wicd
[18:18] <fl4sh> mhh
[18:18] <fl4sh> where can I download that?
[18:18] <fl4sh> from windows
[18:19] <fl4sh> have no connection on linux
[18:19] <tehboriz> i dont know yet haha
[18:19] <roKB> kgeek: join smvdu
[18:20] <rork> eli_: you might want to try different sound drivers for your video to see if one works, I'm not an expert but the configured driver might not work or be occupied by another program
[18:21] <TheCan> Hi. I am having SEVERE issues with copy/paste in karmic. It seems like no data is being copied from qt apps like kontact :( any ideas?
[18:23] <tehboriz> fl4sh, i got it working... sudo apt-get install wicd, logout and back in
[18:23] <tehboriz> i dont know how youc an get it through another computer though sorry
[18:24] <Sphinx> Hello all
[18:24] <jeroen_> hi there
[18:25] <jeroen_> any experts with xorg server?
[18:25] <bigbrovar> anyone use mpd on kubuntu kamric?
[18:25] <Sphinx> jeroen_: may be, say what is the problem
[18:25] <bigbrovar> am wondering if there is a way to get it to use phonon
[18:25] <mfraz74> mpd?
[18:25] <jeroen_> Sphinx: i need to set up my dual screen with my videocard
[18:25] <MaartenLx> bah, repo's are still slow today.... ah well :P
[18:25] <bigbrovar> mpd yeah
[18:25] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I just dont know how
[18:26] <Sphinx> jeroen_: sorry, I do not understand you, what is happening? Describe your problem as well as you can and we will ask you for things we need to know.
[18:26] <eli_> how do i change sound drivers? do i need to? i hear the startup and shutdown tune.
[18:27] <MaartenLx> I have that problem with Kubuntu 4.10 - from what I found so far there is a bug in the latest KDE4 version (independent of distro) that causes you to get the "this module is for configurations with dual monitors which you don't appear to have" message in display properties.... Haven't found a solution yet
[18:27] <bigbrovar> mfraz74> do u use mpd on karmic?
[18:27] <MaartenLx> Is that what you got as well Jeroen?
[18:27] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: how do you use mpd?
[18:27] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I have 2 monitors and a FireGL v5600 videocard. At the moment both monitors show the same. I need them to become 1 desktop instead of 2 views of the same.
[18:27] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I mena for what purpose
[18:28] <mfraz74> no, i was just wondering what it was. found out now
[18:28] <jeroen_> MaartenLx: nope :(
[18:28] <Sphinx> jeroen_: I am not sure, FireGL is NVIDIA?
[18:28] <jeroen_> Sphinx: ATI
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> music player daemon so its for music , more like setting up a backend server for music management
[18:29] <jeroen_> Sphinx: i know that i can setup my view with nvidia-setting but this time i have an ATI card.
[18:29] <Sphinx> jeroen_: try google: ati howto xorg ubuntu OR kubuntu OR xubuntu
[18:29] <jeroen_> i'll try that
[18:29] <MaartenLx> jeroen_:  sounds exactly like the problem I have.....  I have a laptop and a dockingstation with monitor at work, and it only CLONES the desktop, not SPREADS the desktop.... but since it is at work only, (at home I just use the laptop) I have limited time in figuring out what the problem is. I just boot in Windows 7 Professional at work where it works perfectly ;)
[18:29] <Sphinx> jeroen_: yes, I saw some howto, it was pretty easy to google
[18:29] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> so that u can connect to it using a any mpd client like sonata
[18:30] <jeroen_> Sphinx:  thanks i ll take a look
[18:30] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: so on one computer only ..?
[18:30] <jeroen_> MaartenLx: ya same here with vista :)
[18:30] <Sphinx> jeroen_: if you wont have luck, get back here
[18:31] <bigbrovar> Sphinx>  cool thing is u can connect to the server across network, so u can have an mpd server on one machine and connect a client on another machine to it
[18:31] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: yes, that is possible
[18:31] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: okay, so your mpd works, but you can not make phonon use it, okay?
[18:31] <MaartenLx> The solution that I found was running some script.... which also restarts the X server. Which is great for a desktop if you have to only do it once, but sorta sucks if you take the laptop off of your docking stations, into meetings, configuring far away switches, etc, etc.... 4 times a day :P
[18:33] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> am having problem using mpd on kubuntu here is a bug report i filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/463716/comments/5
[18:33] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> posted my mpd config ( the audio part there )
[18:34] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: have you tried any howto ..?
[18:34] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> yeah like its running fine on jaunty
[18:35] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> but on karmic it seems to want to use the sound device exclusively, like it wont work if any other application is using the sound card, and when am running it no other application will be able to play sound
[18:36] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: how about trying pulseaudio?
[18:36] <eli_> OMG nevermind, im such an idiot. i had the PCM volume all the way down. sorry thank you though.
[18:36] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: it acts as sound proxy and enables to use several devices
[18:38] <Sphinx> Sphinx: when several audio applications do not work, it can be problem with pulseaudiosetup
[18:38] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> PA? over my dead body, the thing worked fine in jaunty without requiring PA
[18:38] <Sphinx> hell, that was to bigbrovar
[18:38] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: and are you sure that it is not present?
[18:39] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> PA is not shipped with kubuntu, i dont want to change that
[18:39] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> like hell am sure, i doubled checked, kubuntu doesnt ship PA
[18:39] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I do not try to convince using that, but just search through your aptitude if it is not present
[18:39] <Sphinx> oakay
[18:39] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I will try mpd
[18:39] <bigbrovar>  Sphinx> plus i checked the package manager to be double sure
[18:40] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> i did its not present,
[18:40] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: btw, you have some bad experience with it?
[18:40] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> here is a head start http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/setting-up-mpd-locally/ #mpd
[18:41] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> like i said on jaunty it ran fine without a hitch, i move amarok and stuff but i prefer a kiss music management too l
[18:41] <bigbrovar> tool*
[18:44] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: well, pulseaudio is something different, it is more a server for all sounds
[18:45] <bigbrovar> Sphinx> u think i should install PA?
[18:46] <MaartenLx> okay, really dumb question since I can't seem to find it.... I'm about to go out for shopping, and don't want my laptop to fall asleep while it is downloading software.... SLOWLY... from the repo. Can't seem to find the power/hibernation settings anywhere?
[18:46] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: this is not easy to say, there are different opinions on PA since it requires some configuration and there are more people who said it is problematic, for me it works easily
[18:47] <Sphinx> sorry, simply
[18:47] <rork> MaartenLX: System Setting > Advanced > Power Management?
[18:47] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: I would recommend to try some howtos and introduction PA homepage
[18:48] <MaartenLx> rork: gotcha! thanks.
[18:49] <bigbrovar> Sphinx>  thanks but no thanks, one of the reasons i left gnome was PA.
[18:49] <somekool> hi !
[18:49] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: okay, I will check mpd, but please tell me what wa wrong with PA?
[18:49] <Sphinx> Just for curiosity
[18:50] <somekool> I did some research and I found Ubuntu DistCompilerFlags page and it seems everything is still compiled is -O2 flags. I was wondering if there is any project to recompile everything with -OS or any plan to change those?
[18:50] <somekool> i guess, these flags can be specified on each package definition ? I think KDE and also Ruby would benefit the most from -OS flag
[18:52] <dtchen> bigbrovar: have you updated the bug report?
[18:52] <bigbrovar> yeah i have to the best of my knowledge
[18:53] <Pete_R> Hello people! I've just downloaded 3 kubuntu 9.10 images and none of them matches the hash provided on their home page
[18:53] <Pete_R> is there a problem?
[18:53] <dtchen> well, yes.
[18:54] <dtchen> zsync them from a reliable mirror
[18:56] <cosmo__> mööp
[18:56] <Pete_R> anyway, just downloaded another image
[18:57] <Pete_R> md5sum gives Ok on that
[18:57] <bigbrovar> dtchen> I have to the best of my knowledge :)
[18:57] <Pete_R> tahnk you all!
[18:58] <dtchen> bigbrovar: clearly your mpd configuration is wrong
[18:59] <dtchen> bigbrovar: the fact that it uses hw:0,0 for the alsa device prevents any other application from using audio simultaneously
[18:59] <dtchen> bigbrovar: it doesn't even matter if mpd is paused; it will still block other apps
[18:59] <lilyshu> hi please help me.. i can't play poker on facebook, flash is not working. but i can open youtube video. thanks
[18:59] <bigbrovar> dtchen> well i just stuck with the default..
[19:00] <dtchen> bigbrovar: it needs to use the "default" configuration just as given for mixer_device
[19:00] <bigbrovar> dtchen> can u pastebin a better config? please i would appreciate
[19:00] <dtchen> bigbrovar: change hw:0,0 to default
[19:00] <bigbrovar> ok
[19:00] <dtchen> (as I just described)
[19:00] <bigbrovar> will do that now
[19:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: you need to make sure *every* application uses alsa's "default"
[19:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: if even *one* uses plughw or hw, you're screwed
[19:04] <bigbrovar> dtchen> bingo! .. oh thanks mate u are now the coolest guy in the planet
[19:05] <bigbrovar> dtchen> skype and mpd now work happily ..  how can i close the bug?
[19:07] <CupofDice> any solutions for a black screen in dragonplayer? When I login, i don't have that problem with the first video, but afterwards, i get the black or transparent (with desktop effects turned on) screen. I can still hear the sound. VLC is crashing on me (segmentation fault) and mplayer bugs out.
[19:07] <Sphinx> somekool: how do those project benefit from -OS in your opinion?
[19:08] <seige36> hey, does anyone know of a good temperature monitor or widget for kde 4.3?
[19:08] <bigbrovar> dtchen> thanks mate everything now works
[19:09] <bigbrovar> dtchen> turns out it wasnt a kubuntu bug after all
[19:10] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I have not followed your previous posts, what mplayer bugs out?
[19:10] <Sphinx> bigbrovar: it usually is not, but kubuntu users are usually used to things working out of the box I think
[19:10] <CupofDice> ah, my fault. Dragonplayer is the one I want to fix. Mplayer and Vlc are buggy with me, so no need to fix them. Dragonplayer only gives me a black screen.
[19:11] <Sphinx> CupofDice: buggy with you?
[19:11] <Sphinx> CupofDice: sorry, maybe mplayer bugs could bring some idea what is wrong
[19:12] <CupofDice> yeah, Dragonplayer is only giving me a black screen. Even with desktop effects turned off.
[19:12] <CupofDice> will check mplayer again, but it keeps flashing.
[19:13] <CupofDice> [AO_ALSA] Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0. -is what I am getting in mplayer
[19:18] <Sphinx> CupofDice: that may be the problem, do you use pulseaudio?
[19:18] <CupofDice> yeah
[19:18] <Sphinx> CupofDice: and is it running?
[19:19] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I am not sure about dragonplayer, but some sound settings shold be fixed here
[19:19] <CupofDice> HDA NVidia crashes on me though
[19:19] <McCartney> hello everyone
[19:19] <CupofDice> Yeah, pulseaudio is running
[19:19] <Sphinx> CupofDice: what do you mean crash on you?
[19:19] <CupofDice> I am now installing 'alsaplayer-alsa' to see if that helps.
[19:20] <McCartney> the search bar does not appear in dolphin, does any one know a solution for this?
[19:20] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I would try to install all pulse adio related packages
[19:21] <yofel> CupofDice: check in pavucontrol if the main output is muted, karmic's pulse does that sometimes...
[19:21] <seige36> hey, does anyone know of a good temperature monitor or widget for kde 4.3?
[19:22] <d9500> McCartney, was it working at a previous time, and just stopped, or has it never been in dolphin?
[19:22] <Sphinx> CupofDice: also you may be missing some codecs
[19:22] <McCartney> d9500: it has never been, but i've just upgraded now to 9.10, and i expected it to be there
[19:22] <CupofDice> yofel, what is pavucontrol?
[19:22] <McCartney> but still its not!
[19:22] <Sphinx> CupofDice: that could explain problems in mplayer, vlc and dragon
[19:22] <yofel> CupofDice: pulseaudio volume control
[19:23] <Sphinx> CupofDice: it is audio control program in pulseaudio
[19:23] <CupofDice> Kmix?
[19:23] <yofel> CupofDice: only works with alsa, pulse has it's own one
[19:24] <d9500> McCartney, I take it you've already checked in settings-->toolbars and made sure that the entry (assuming there is one) for search toolbar has a checkmark in the box?
[19:24] <somekool> Sphinx: most of the time spent waiting for a program is binary loading. unless you do excessing floating point operations, optimizing for size seems the way to go
[19:25] <McCartney> d9500: there is a checkbox, but with no text in it, just a chekmark!
[19:25] <CupofDice> Unless you mean System Settings/Multimedia, I have no pulseaudio control that I can find.
[19:26] <Sphinx> somekool: but that depends on, eg if you have program runnig for longer time, you will more benefit from -02
[19:26] <dtchen> bigbrovar: I've already closed the bug. And, I knew all along it wasn't a Kubuntu or ALSA bug.
[19:26] <Sphinx> somekool: also you can get more performance with memlock
[19:26] <dtchen> bigbrovar: after you've triaged Linux sound bugs for twelve years, you start to see patterns.
[19:27] <manshoon> I cant seem to get flash working properly in konqueror. It wrk just fine it firefox though.  The plugins section of konqueror says its loaded /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[19:28] <manshoon> but I cant figure out how to remove the "alternative" one, which I assume is the FOSS version.
[19:28] <Sphinx> dtchen: if you know more about alsa/audio things, maybe CupofDice has similar problem
[19:28] <manshoon> I assume that it conflicting with the non-free flash
[19:28] <Sphinx> CupofDice: Kmix is for KDE, pavucontrol controls pulseaudio
[19:28] <CupofDice> Yes, I have no pavucontrol
[19:28] <CupofDice> ah
[19:29] <CupofDice> It is supposed to be installed...
[19:29] <Sphinx> CupofDice: then install it, try some pulseaudio howto
[19:29] <McCartney> d9500: what do you think could be the problem?
[19:29] <Sphinx> CupofDice: should be, it will enable you to control audio level per device
[19:30] <d9500> McCartney, i'm looking into it, but i'm still somewhat new to kde myself, so i don't have a definitive answer at the moment.
[19:31] <McCartney> d9500: thank you so much, and sorry for bothering you
[19:32] <d9500> McCartney, i've been looking for the right config file, if i find anything i'll let you know
[19:33] <McCartney> d9500: thanks again! :)
[19:33] <CupofDice> I have no audio problems. It is video problems I am having, with the black screen, as I said above. Anyway, pavucontrol showed no problem with the volume, and all of my codecs are installed.
[19:35] <Sphinx> CupofDice: I perhaps missed something then, does vlc/mplayter work for you?
[19:37] <CupofDice> No, vlc crashes. Mplayer has that bug I posted above. Dragonplayer is the only one that works, but after the first play after login, it will only show a black screen. I have all codecs installed, and I can hear audio. If i turn on desktop effects, the video player screen turns transparent.
[19:38] <Sphinx> CupofDice: does mplayer show anything? Or it just gives you error and ends
[19:38] <CPrgmSwR2> any sound driver experts in here
[19:39] <Zivi_> hi
[19:39] <CupofDice> Yeah, Mplayer shows video.
[19:39] <Sphinx> CupofDice: even with desktop effects?
[19:39] <ub1> good night
[19:40] <CupofDice> yeah Sphinx
[19:40] <Sphinx> CupofDice: but it does not produce any sound
[19:41] <Sphinx> or does it?
[19:41] <CupofDice> no, mplayer doesn't produce sound.
[19:42] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: what's the issue?
[19:42] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: for the longest time I thought I had a no sound issue until I discovered that the sound is always comming out of the headphone jack
[19:43] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: ok, and...?
[19:43] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1) alsa is using driver Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
[19:43] <raphael> hi
[19:43] <d9500> McCartney, i'm not sure what the correct config file is to edit but i did find someone with a similar problem to yours, and a possible fix. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201224
[19:44] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: how do I get sound out of my speakers on the laptop
[19:44] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: have you filed a bug using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base"?
[19:44] <Sphinx> CupofDice: CupofDice okay, that may be problem of dragon. Mplayer might have some problem with pulseaudio setup. How about vlc?
[19:44] <CPrgmSwR2> bug #455912
[19:44] <Sphinx> Does it produce any error?
[19:45] <CupofDice> VLC crashes on me
[19:45] <CupofDice> segmentation fault
[19:45] <raphael> after the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 my computer doesn't s boot any more
[19:45] <raphael> Can somebody help me?
[19:46] <d9500> McCartney: the possible fix does involve deleting a config file though, so backup the original file before deleting if you want to try it
[19:46] <McCartney> d9500: ok i'll try it now
[19:46] <Sphinx> CupofDice: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[19:47] <CupofDice> 9.10
[19:47] <CupofDice> 64bit
[19:47] <McCartney> d9500: it worked!!!!!1 thank you so much
[19:48] <d9500> McCartney: you're welcome.
[19:48] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: bug report updated
[19:48] <Zivi_> hi, I've got a hp elitebook 6930p, the sound didn't work under 9.04 at first, this trick did it: sudo echo “options snd-hda-intel model=laptop” » /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. Now, under karmic it doesn't work anymore again, instead kde shows an error message "Some hardware (audio controller) has been removed."
[19:49] <Zivi_> any idea of what I can do?
[19:50] <tehboriz> how would i go aabout overclocking my laptop graphics card? nvidia 7300go
[19:51] <CupofDice> Sphinx, kubuntu is being buggy again. Will restart. Also, I should note that I have this problem (which seems to have nothing to do with bios or anything): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/422536?comments=all  . brb
[19:51] <jeroen_> Sphinx: hey there
[19:51] <Peace-> where shall i get kdelibs-experimental
[19:52] <Peace-> i cant find on kpackagekit
[19:52] <Sphinx> jeroen_: Hi
[19:52] <d9500> tehboriz: have you tried nvclock?
[19:52] <jeroen_> Sphinx: I tried following the internet advise. i found the code but once i reboot i cant launch X server anymore :(
[19:53] <tehboriz> yes d9500 i tried it a few years ago and it didnt work... all it dd was reset my settings every time i made a change
[19:53] <jeroen_> Sphinx: (the dual screen issue)
[19:53] <tehboriz> d9500: should i get qt or gtk?
[19:54] <Sphinx> jeroen_: oh, have you the link?
[19:55] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://hamzakc.wordpress.com/2006/10/16/dual-monitor-setup-ubuntu-ati/
[19:55] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: rebotting
[19:55] <d9500> tehboriz: if you're running kde as your desktop environment, use qt. if running gnome or xfce, use gtk.
[19:55] <tehboriz> ok got it thnks
[19:56] <Zivi_> no idea
[19:56] <Zivi_> ?
[19:57] <tehboriz> d9500: how do i bring up the gui?
[19:58] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: This is what I get now alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[19:59] <d9500> tehboriz: i've never used nvclock, but i'm guessing that you would need the nvclock-qt or nvclock-gtk package for the gui.
[19:59] <tehboriz> nvm it's nvclock_qt instead of a dash an underscore
[20:00] <tehboriz> wow huge diff in ui lets hope it works :p
[20:01] <bigbrovar> dtchen> thanks once again
[20:01] <tehboriz> hmm the settings are remaining so i guess it's working?
[20:01] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: apport-collect -p alsa-base 455912
[20:01] <dtchen> bigbrovar: np
[20:01] <d9500> tehboriz: also, i think the reason that it resets after a reboot is it's designed to do that. see http://www.hardwareforums.com/howto-overclock-nvidia-cards-ubuntu-debian-16427/ for a template for a startup script to run it at login
[20:01] <raphael> my computer doesn't boot after the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[20:02] <raphael> the upgrade stopped
[20:02] <Sphinx> jeroen_: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:02] <raphael> and now I only see mount all main process terminated
[20:02] <jeroen_> Sphinx: sure. here?
[20:02] <raphael> any ideas?
[20:02] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no, use nopaste or something
[20:02] <bigbrovar> hey guys am on i started karmic with karmic RC was hoping to avoid the rush and instead upgrade to the final version. However SInce the final release of kubuntu karmic am yet to see a drop of update which would indicate am on karmic final
[20:03] <tehboriz> haha quassel started infinately opening up firefox windows till i ha like 1000
[20:03] <bigbrovar> is this ok or do i do a fresh clean install of karmic final
[20:03] <yofel> !final > bigbrovar
[20:03] <yofel> o.O, my right alt-key stopped working...
[20:04] <Sphinx> raphael: in which phase did it stop?
[20:04] <jeroen_> Sphinx: its huge :s you want it all?
[20:04] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: done
[20:04] <raphael> Sphinx: The upgrade? at about 80%
[20:04] <Sphinx> jeroen_: I need it all, there are tool like nopaste that you can use to paste it to public servers
[20:05] <bigbrovar> yofel> thanks
[20:05] <raphael> Spinx: I have an encrypted root file system
[20:05] <Sphinx> raphael: have you an idea what was happening and why did it stop?
[20:05] <Sphinx> raphael: oh hell
[20:05] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aosGkij20
[20:05] <raphael> Spinx: No
[20:06] <raphael> Spinx: after entering the passphrase I only see a maintenance shell
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: you have a hardware problem
[20:06] <yofel> with what app do you find out what keycode a key has if it's pressed?
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: first, see if there's a bios update for your machine
[20:06] <raphael> Spinx: my question is what: What do I do now?
[20:06] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: second, if there is and it contains fixes for your audio codec initialization, apply it
[20:06] <tehboriz> ctrl alt backspace doesnt work anymore is it cause of some change in 9.1?
[20:07] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: third, if that doesn't resolve it, purge the linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-14-generic package and reboot
[20:07] <Sphinx> jeroen_: strange
[20:07] <raphael> Spinx: I do have acces to the harddrive, but nothing ist started, only encryption of the disk
[20:07] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: there is no fix for your hardware that I know of; it really looks like a hardware quirk
[20:07] <greg_> Hello,, Has any else experienced slow downloads for 9.10 @28kb my connection ic 20mb just traffic or server issues??
[20:08] <jeroen_> Sphinx: there is another log file with .old behind it. it shows the errors i saw earlier
[20:08] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ALSA/JackSense
[20:08] <Sphinx> raphael: sorry, I have no idea what to do with encrypted filesystem - if / is encrypted
[20:08] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: ignore the section on PulseAudio if you don't have it installed
[20:08] <Sphinx> raphael: if it would be just /home, it would be asier
[20:08] <Sphinx> easier
[20:08] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aWP3ExqDd
[20:08] <raphael> greg_: I download with 190 kb/s
[20:09] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: anyhow, I need to enjoy my weekend. I'll follow up on the bug report.
[20:09] <raphael> Sphinx: The encryption is not the problem. The encrypton works, but nothing else
[20:09] <CPrgmSwR2> dtchen: thanks for your help
[20:10] <raphael> Spinx: What is started after the kernel? Upstart? Can I start that manually?
[20:10] <raphael> Sphinx: What is started after the kernel? Upstart? Can I start that manually?
[20:11] <Sphinx> jeroen_: well, paste me /etc/X11/xorg.conf, we will see, but if nothing helps, I would try to move )mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak) and then restart X so that it made its own xorg.conf
[20:11] <greg_> With mt ISP Bandwidth i should be able to download in approx 6min speed test show 20mb/s I can wait 9 hours but what the heck... Do you think it's traffic to the site or band width issues at the donor?
[20:11] <Sphinx> raphael: so more precisely: what works and how?
[20:12] <jeroen_> Sphinx: ok
[20:12] <Sphinx> raphael: how do you know that encryption works if it does not boot
[20:13] <d9500> greg_: yes, the downloads for 9.10 are still slow last time i checked. i ran aptitude update && safe-upgrade earlier today and was getting speeds about one-third of what i usually do
[20:13] <jeroen_> Sphinx: http://www.nopaste.com/p/atkTjuZ20
[20:13] <raphael> Sphinx: What does work. Grub -> Kernel boot (asks passphrase) and decrypts the disk
[20:14] <greg_> d9500, thanx i thought that was it ,, i'll wait till next week for things to speed up a little..Thanx
[20:14] <Sphinx> jeroen_: okay, comment out whole section ... Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-1" and try restart
[20:15] <Sphinx> what next?
[20:15] <raphael> Spinx: Thats is. I have a root shell and I can access my root at /
[20:15] <raphael> Spinx: / is mounted read only and I have no idea why
[20:15] <jeroen_> Sphinx: with # right?  Section "Screen" ?
[20:15] <Sphinx> jeroen_: yes
[20:16] <jeroen_> thx
[20:16] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no
[20:16] <jeroen_> :)
[20:17] <Sphinx> jeroen_: sorry, the Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-1" 0 0 .. line and also Section "Device" with Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-1"
[20:18] <aboaboit> greetings from another victim of the grub upgrade :-)
[20:18] <d9500> how do i change the speed at what taskbar thumbnails pop up when i hover the mouse over a grouped set of programs on the panel?
[20:18] <jeroen_> Sphinx: cheers, ima reboot now brb
[20:18] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no
[20:19] <d9500> at which i mean
[20:19] <Sphinx> jeroen_: you do not need to reboot, just /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[20:19] <jeroen_> ok
[20:19] <Sphinx> aboaboit: what is wrong with grub upgrade?
[20:20] <aboaboit> Sphinx: doesn't boot linux, only boots win
[20:20] <Sphinx> jeroen_: generally, reboot only on kernel/hwrdware changes or if you need to be sure that everything is okay after reboot
[20:20] <aboaboit> i've tried the suggested fixes in launhpad but no go
[20:20] <Sphinx> aboaboit: so what have you done?
[20:20] <jeroen_> Sphinx: oh right :) im kinda new to this
[20:20] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no problem
[20:20] <raphael> Sphinx: Do you have an idea, or a suggestion?
[20:21] <aboaboit> Sphinx: background is clean 9.04 recent installation, successful upgrade to 9.10
[20:21] <Sphinx> raphael: I need to know what happens after uncrypting the disc
[20:21] <raphael> Sphinx: I get a shell
[20:21] <aboaboit> at next boot, says: you need to load kernel first
[20:21] <Sphinx> raphael: any messages ... kernel says what ..?
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: imediatelly?
[20:22] <raphael> Sphinx: yes
[20:22] <Sphinx> aboaboit: really this message?
[20:22] <aboaboit> yep
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: what is the prompt?
[20:22] <Sphinx> raphael: is it (initramfs) > ?
[20:22] <raphael> Sphinx: kernel is ok, did not (yet) upgrade
[20:23] <Sphinx> raphael: so it starts?
[20:23] <jeroen_> Sphinx: No difference. It shows my screens without dual-head
[20:23] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i think it may be bug 392836 or 411705 but the suggested fix of removing the search line only changes the error
[20:23] <raphael> Sphinx: Error Message: "init: mountall main process (2480) terminated with status 3
[20:24] <jeroen_> Sphinx: but no error whatsoever
[20:24] <raphael> Sphinx: Mount of filesystem failed
[20:24] <raphael> Sphinx: A maintenance shell will now be started.
[20:24] <Sphinx> jeroen_: okay, but X at least starts, let's continue
[20:25] <Sphinx> raphael: have you done fsck?
[20:25] <Sphinx> raphael: just for sure
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: Ok, I'll try that. That will take a while.
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: because just mounting should be okay unless you changed filesystem or kernel
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: depends on filesystem type
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: Thanks, for now
[20:26] <raphael> Sphinx: filesystem is ext3
[20:26] <Sphinx> raphael: np
[20:27] <Sphinx> raphael: then, what kernel version?
[20:28] <raphael> Sphinx: Kernel is working and worked befor, If it is important i'll look it up
[20:28] <Sphinx> aboaboit: personally, I would try to boot live image and see if all is okay
[20:28] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll go get it
[20:29] <Sphinx> raphael: well, there might be problem if ext3 is used as kernel module and it is not present during boot
[20:29] <raphael> Sphinx: I did not upgrade the kernel yet.
[20:29] <Sphinx> aboaboit: keep in mind that it sohld be the same architecture
[20:29] <aboaboit> Sphinx: of course, amd64
[20:30] <Sphinx> aboaboit: okay, otherwise you can not use chroot
[20:30] <jeroen_> Sphinx: what could have been the problem? :)
[20:31] <Sphinx> jeroen_: well, I have no idea with ATI, perhaps some better howto is necessary
[20:31] <jeroen_> Sphinx: iĺl take a look around :)
[20:32] <Sphinx> jeroen_: how about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[20:32] <Sphinx> jeroen_: that seems to be reasonable
[20:32] <catracho> hello
[20:32] <catracho> viva honduras!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:33] <jeroen_> Sphinx:  cheers, i´ll take a deep look :)
[20:33] <aboaboit> Sphinx: funny thing is... laptop having trouble is just xp and kubuntu, no other linux install... this machine i am using has raid1+lvm and upgrade was spotless... go figure
[20:33] <Sphinx> jeroen_: google is allways good friend in these cases
[20:33] <Sphinx> catracho: why?
[20:34] <BenPA> help once again ... dell 2650 laptop "attempted" upgrade to 9.10 will not boot into version ... used knoppix disk and did fsdk then found partition table entries not in disk order
[20:34] <jeroen_> Sphinx: Well im glad you helped me out, google is indeed very good :D thx alot
[20:34] <Sphinx> jeroen_: no problem
[20:34] <bigbrovar_> does anyone experience this problem where kpackagekit crashes when you try to disable a sourcelist .. is it a known bug?
[20:34] <catracho> jijijijij
[20:35] <Sphinx> catracho: ah, okay, do you know what spam is?
[20:35] <catracho> no
[20:35] <Sphinx> aboaboit: insteresting
[20:36] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[20:36] <teliti> Hi. Where to see which kde4 am I running in KDE? In kde3 i remember you could see it in the system settings ...
[20:37] <CPrgmSwR2> this is wicked, I am running kubuntu of the live cd and I have my wireless card working
[20:37] <Sphinx> aboaboit: actually why do you use raid and lvm?
[20:37] <CPrgmSwR2> teliti: under system Settings -> click on help about about kde
[20:37] <yofel> teliti: open an app (like kate) -> help -> about kde
[20:38] <Byron> Where do I find the developers for Karmic? ubuntu1?
[20:38] <CPrgmSwR2> If I could only fix my sound problem
[20:38] <teliti> ahhh thx both of you :-)
[20:39] <yofel> Byron: +1 is closed for now since karmic is released, what do you want to know?
[20:39] <Sphinx> CPrgmSwR2: in brief, what is the problem?
[20:40] <Byron> yofel: Not really 'know' but thank them for the great job. As of the past 2-3 releases (excluding Karmic), my desktop freezes and the network drops. With Karmic, it has all been resolved.
[20:41] <shavo> suty
[20:41] <Sphinx> Byron: nice to hear someone like you, maybe there is some channel for devs
[20:41] <yofel> Byron: the devs are usually in the k/x/ubuntu-devel chans
[20:41] <Byron> Sphinx: If you felt my frustration, you'd be as grateful as myself right now.
[20:42] <Byron> yofel: thanks. I will try now.
[20:44] <aboaboit> Sphinx: raid because i am paranoid and lvm because of the flexibility in partitioning
[20:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: they solve different problems and i was just curious to try
[20:46] <Sphinx> aboaboit: then isn't there any way how to do RAID 1 on lvm? or just do regular scheduled backups?
[20:46] <aboaboit> Sphinx: you do lvm on raid1, not viceversa, afaik... i also run amanda daily
[20:47] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I do not want to discourage you, but on laptop this seems to me as quite extensive
[20:48] <aboaboit> Sphinx: sorry, i wasn't clear: laptop is plain single disk, no lvm
[20:48] <aboaboit> Sphinx: this machine i am using now (a desktop) has two sata disks, raid1, lvm, amanda and all that
[20:48] <raphael> Sphinx: you were right. fsck.ext3: Superblock invalid, try backup blocks
[20:49] <aboaboit> Sphinx: laptop had trouble with upgrade even if simpler setup
[20:49] <raphael> Sphinx: That looks bad
[20:51] <Sphinx> raphael: well, I propose to do backpu before fixing if you have spare hdd
[20:51] <Sphinx> raphael: nevertheless it is not taht bad as it seems unless you had a lot of partitions
[20:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: ah, okay :-)
[20:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paranoia on desktops is okay. BTW what was allways srong with the laptop, what hw has it?
[20:54] <aboaboit> Sphinx: laptop is Fujitsu-Siemens V5535, ran JJ quite ok (except for needing a custom 2.6.30 because of the nic/wifi, can't remember which now9
[20:54] <billytwowilly> Is there a command to easily see all the hard drives in the system?
[20:55] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: lshw?
[20:55] <billytwowilly> df..
[20:56] <billytwowilly> df showed what's mounted..
[20:57] <billytwowilly> so 9.10 moved my / drive from sdg to sdf but there's no sdg anymore. How do I figure out what 9.10 did? I have 7 hard drives in this thing and one has gone missing..
[20:57] <myke_> ciao
[20:57] <billytwowilly> It basically dissapeared one drive from my raid
[20:57] <myke_> !list
[20:58] <MaartenLx> hmmm.... I accidentily closed my start menu panel, and I can't seem to get it back. Any clues?
[20:58] <myke_> !bot
[20:58] <kgeek> billytwowilly: parted...->print
[21:01] <billytwowilly> so one of my drives disapeared then... the 7th drive isn't in the parted list
[21:01] <raphael> Sphinx: Do you know a where I can find something link HOWTO restore the correpted filesystem
[21:01] <R_Rios> Hi
[21:01] <raphael> something like
[21:02] <R_Rios> I have a PC with a Celeron @ 2.8 GHz proccessor and 512 MB of RAM running Kubuntu 8.04
[21:02] <R_Rios> If I upgrade it to Karmic, will it run?
[21:03] <R_Rios> I mean, with no slowdowns or freezes?
[21:04] <yofel> R_Rios: if you upgrade from 8.04 you'll have to upgrade to 8.10->9.04->9.10, a fresh install would  be better in that case, or just wait for lucid 10.04, you will be able to upgrade directly there (since 8.04 is LTS)
[21:05] <yofel> R_Rios: if you want to know that, you might want to run a live disk of 9.10 on your system and see how it works
[21:05] <Sphinx> billytwowilly lshw shows hw, df just mounted
[21:06] <R_Rios> Really, yofel? I don't think so, since there's a link explaining how to upgrade from 8.04
[21:06] <R_Rios> Here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[21:07] <yofel> R_Rios: oh, then my information was wrong it seems, sry
[21:08] <Sphinx> raphael: well, first do a backup
[21:08] <Sphinx> raphael: I propose to boot from live cdrom/usb and do dd if=/dev/<corrupteddisc> of=imagename
[21:09] <Sphinx> raphael: what were the partitions? Were there one/two or many?
[21:10] <djSupport-linux> Hiya anyone know how I can get amorak to play mp3's? when I first ran kubuntu latest amorak said download these pakages but I lost the message any clues what it said?
[21:10] <raphael> Sphinx: one big root partition and a 44MB boot partition
[21:10] <Sphinx> raphael: and do you know its order?
[21:12] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: so if the disk isn't in there, any idea what happened?
[21:12] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: it was literally runing fine right before the reboot into 9.10 from 9.04
[21:13] <R_Rios> yofel: The problem is, my internet connection is too slow for me to download the Live AND update the system
[21:13] <R_Rios> I just wanted to know if Karmic is slower or faster than 8.04
[21:13] <Sphinx> Sphinx: it means that the hardware was not detected by a bus i think
[21:14] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: so maybe just a loose connection?
[21:14] <Sphinx> Sphinx: well, no what kind of disk?
[21:14] <billytwowilly> seagate 1.5 TB 7200.11 sata disk
[21:15] <yofel> R_Rios: well, 8.04 and 9.10 are quite different, so depending on your system it could works wonderful or worse, but without knowing your system everything I could tell you would be pure guessing.
[21:15] <yofel> s/works/work
[21:15] <R_Rios> By "your system" you mean my computer?
[21:16] <yofel> yes, and did you at least check the release notes if there are any known issues that could affect you?
[21:16] <R_Rios> If yes, it is a Celeron @ 2.8 GHz and with 512 MB of RAM
[21:16] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: then, there might be several reasons
[21:16] <R_Rios> Yes, there are no issues at all
[21:17] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: like what? I doubt it's hardware failure, but I'm downloading seatools to test now anyway.
[21:17] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: 1) Software - kernel issue (it must be kernel related) There might be some missing module, I am not sure if unknown SATA discs are detected (eg missing modules)
[21:18] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: 2) hw issue (accidental)
[21:18] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: I would try to see available modules for seagate
[21:18] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: the kernel detected the other 5 of these drives and the slightly smaller 1 TB version of this drive ok.
[21:19] <R_Rios> !pt-br]
[21:19] <R_Rios> !pt-br
[21:19] <R_Rios> !br
[21:19] <Sphinx> Sphinx: have you loked in /var/log/bootlog or syslog, messages?
[21:20] <Sphinx> Sphinx: look, if hw is okay, and modules are present, there will be log messages
[21:20] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: I have to reboot to see what the bios says. Thanks for your help.
[21:20] <Byron> Since there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf, where am I to save my video changes so nvidia-settings can set my dual-monitor setup?
[21:20] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: no problem, get back to let us know
[21:20] <Sphinx> Byron: generate xorg.conf
[21:21] <Byron> Sphinx: How so?
[21:22] <Byron> Sphinx: I just checked and now there's a xorg.conf file, but nvidia-settings can't parse to it. I'm doing it as 'root'
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: well, stop kdm or Xorg, then there is Xorg -configure
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: should be -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[21:23] <Sphinx> Byron: what do you do as root?
[21:23] <Byron> Yes, that's what it is
[21:24] <Byron> ALT+F2 `kdesudo nvidia-settings`
[21:24] <Sphinx> that is ok
[21:24] <Sphinx> Byron: and works for me, what does it complain about?
[21:24] <Byron> Sphinx: Yes, but I can't save the config
[21:24] <yofel> Byron: open up nvidia-settings, and while it's there move your xorg.conf away and then save a new one with nvidia-settings
[21:24] <Byron> X Server Display Configuration > Save to X Configuration
[21:24] <Sphinx> Byron: is there any error message?
[21:25] <Byron> Let me check
[21:25] <yofel> we already had this issue a few times...
[21:26] <Sphinx> Byron: yofel wasn't that because of noglx ?
[21:26] <Sphinx> or something no.. ?
[21:26] <Sphinx> nodri
[21:27] <yofel> can't remember any more, I'm checking right now if anybody actually filed a bug about this...
[21:27] <Byron> Sphinx: It asked me where to save it and I stated that I wanted /etc/X11/xorg.conf and that it couldn't parse. I just manually copied/pasted the changes
[21:28] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: third reboot is the charm. Darn drive just showed up again after I looked in the bios and saw it was there. It couldn't fix itself on the first two times I rebooted, the computer had to make me look like a dork by fixing itself all by itself on the third reboot..
[21:29] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: giva a pray to Mr Murphy
[21:29] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: I'm got to seatools test the drives anyway. That is too odd for it to just be left alone..
[21:29] <billytwowilly> Sphinx: thanks again for the help
[21:29] <Byron> what I find strange is that the System Settings > Display > Multiple Displays doesn't see that I have 2 monitors.
[21:31] <spknicolas> hi
[21:32] <Sphinx> billytwowilly: no problem
[21:32] <Sphinx> Byron: and nvidia-settings does?
[21:32] <yofel> found it, bug 439192
[21:32] <spknicolas> is it me or there is some sort of ressemblance between the look change from the early months of KDE 4 to now and from the Vista look to the Win7 look, i mean, they both went from dark themes to clear themes, why is that ?
[21:33] <Sphinx> Byron: you might be missing some xinerama libs
[21:33] <Sphinx> or other
[21:33] <yofel> ubottu: sleeping?
[21:33] <yofel> bug 439192
[21:34] <yofel> ubottu: bug 439192
[21:34]  * yofel thinks ubottu has something against him :(
[21:34] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/439192
[21:35] <yofel> Byron: ^^^
[21:37] <Sphinx> ubottu: help
[21:37] <Byron> Thanks yofel.
[21:37] <Byron> woohoo, no X
[21:37] <Sphinx> ?
[21:38] <Byron> I saved what nvidia-setttings was creating and set it to xorg.conf
[21:38] <Byron> Luckily, I made a backup.
[21:39] <Byron> Restored the backup and I'm in X now
[21:39] <Sphinx> Byron: you can everytime use Xorg -configure
[21:40] <Byron> I made a backup and named it 'xorg.conf.GOOD'
[21:40] <Byron> I think I spoke too soon about the network drop issue. Seems that it is dropping again
[21:40] <yofel> for nvidia, I think 'nvidia-xconfig' would be better, 'Xorg -configure' would result in NV being used
[21:43] <Sphinx> yofel: ah, I did not know that
[21:43] <mime_> hello, I have a problem, and when selecting my os in dualboot on msdos, when selecting linux stays stucked on ''grub>''... any idea?
[21:45] <kaddi> hi, how can I tell if I'm running the released version or if I'm still running the release candidate?
[21:45] <yofel> kaddi: you can't
[21:45] <yofel> !final
[21:45] <Sphinx> mime_: perhaps wrong setup, what version?
[21:45] <geos_de> you are on the release version after an update
[21:46] <mime_> kubuntu 9.04
[21:46] <mime_> i think
[21:46] <mime_> with xp
[21:46] <kaddi> yofel: so there were no changes from latest RC  to released version? Cause I have been doing updates but haven't had any upgrades since the 29
[21:46] <kaddi> 28
[21:46] <mime_> but other times goes perfectly one to a day to another...
[21:48] <Byron> I wish there was a way to find out what is causing my desktop to suddenly drop off the network.
[21:48] <yofel> kaddi: there were a few, but depending on the software you have installed you really might have no update
[21:48] <mime_> other times i followed the trick of going to xp and put run->chdsk (dont kno exactly the name) and then in dual boot worked, but now no
[21:48] <yofel> *nothing to update
[21:48] <Byron> This also happens if I direct-connect to the modem.
[21:49] <kaddi> ok.. i was just suprised since the switches from alpha to beta to RC always brought some huge updates and the final release didn't bring any.
[21:49] <kaddi> Is there a way to use the old kaffeine version 0.8.* in karmic instead of the 1.0?
[21:49] <Sphinx> mime_: it is simple, burn any live cd, boot it, chroot to your installation and repair grub
[21:50] <Sphinx> mime_: or .. why do you use dos?
[21:50] <mime_> i dont know if its called dos
[21:50] <yofel> kaddi: officially no, but you could download the jaunty version from packages.ubuntu.com and downgrade the package (and remember not to update it on the next update)
[21:50] <mime_> its black and white
[21:50] <mime_> i can repair it with a live cd?
[21:50] <mime_> ill try
[21:51] <kaddi> yofel: ok, might do that then. I'm still hoping that something "more official" will come around since most features are missing from 1.0
[21:51] <yofel> true
[21:51] <mime_> wich is the alternative to dos?
[21:51] <Sphinx> mime_: dosbox
[21:51] <Sphinx> mime_: or dosemu
[21:52] <Sphinx> mime_: dosbox can be used also for games
[21:52] <Sphinx> those old dos games
[21:52] <mime_> ok
[21:52] <mime_> the one of the frog and the logs
[21:52] <mime_> the canons or the dk
[21:53] <mime_> i put to load from harddrive?
[21:53] <mime_> in live cd?
[21:53] <Byron> mime_: No, you want to run the LiveCD, not from HDD
[21:53] <Sphinx> mime_: sorry?
[21:53] <Sphinx> mime_: no, boot from cdrom
[21:53] <Byron> Should be the first option
[21:54] <mime_> im in the menu and language selected, in install, look if has deffects...
[21:54] <Byron> mime_: Choose the LiveCD option that will not make changes to your computer.
[21:54] <mime_> ok
[21:55] <mime_> well, normally the black and white screen that appears in most pc is msdos?
[21:58] <kaddi> mime_: do you maybe mean konsole?
[21:58] <Byron> why would pinging my own router resolve to "connect: Network is unreachable"?
[21:58] <mime_> no
[21:58] <mime_> before bios appears
[21:58] <Sphinx> Byron: maybe you have not network running?
[21:59] <yofel> mime_: bios is always the first thing that appears
[21:59] <Byron> Sphinx: I'm online with my netbook
[21:59] <Sphinx> Byron: see ifconfig and /etc/resolv.conf
[21:59] <mime_> the tipical site were the essentials are brought
[21:59] <Sphinx> Byron: that may be, paste the ping line
[21:59] <mime_> well, it apperas in a mini sistem, is it msdos?
[22:00] <ubuntu_> testing Karmic on Thinkpad R61i
[22:00] <Sphinx> mime_: you mean uninstalled computer?
[22:00] <Sphinx> ubuntu and?
[22:00] <yofel> mime_: #define mini system, on a pc without any os you only have the bios
[22:00] <mime_> no, i mean 4 example when it says ''press any key to continue, keyboard not detected''
[22:01] <yofel> mime_: well, that would be a bios message
[22:01] <Sphinx> yofel: well, there is something on some types of computers (like openBIOS)
[22:01] <mime_> im downloading karmic in my laptop, one day and a half
[22:01] <mime_> actualizing
[22:01] <yofel> Sphinx: really? first time I heard of it
[22:01] <Byron> Sphinx: /etc/resolv.conf matches netbook
[22:01] <mime_> ok
[22:02] <Sphinx> yofel: yes, it is present on eg. Sun machines and is pretty nice - it practically enables reasonable access to uninstalled computer
[22:02] <yofel> sounds nice :)
[22:02] <Sphinx> Byron: try host www.ubuntu.com
[22:02] <mime_> i want to go more far than kubuntu, any os that gives the same but diferent?
[22:02] <Sphinx> yofel: yes, it also supports some autotests
[22:03] <Sphinx> mime_: what do you mean by more far?
[22:03] <Byron> Sphinx: www.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.90.42
[22:03] <mime_> i mean maybe not so easy
[22:04] <mime_> not easy at all, simply i mean that i know that others are good but im very new and compiling etc, sometimes is hard for me
[22:05] <mime_> i want a os very diferent from kubuntu and xp
[22:06] <mime_> i cant find on my live cd the repair option
[22:06] <Byron> mime_: I think you might be thinking of just using Gnome if the look alone is what you want to change.
[22:07] <mime_> what u think about suse or archlinux?
[22:07] <Sphinx> mime_: well, no problem, if you want to begin but stay with aptitude etc., try debian, it is similar, but not tuned to final user. You have to setup many things, but it is where ubuntu came from. If you want to have some fun with compiling, ubt not to the configure/make level, try gentoo - you will learn how to work with configs, but you will be guided and advised.
[22:07] <mime_> or the other one... fedora
[22:08] <kaddi> how do I block the version of a package? I just installed kaffeine 0.8 and I don't want it to update anymore
[22:08] <Sphinx> kaddi: hold (= in aptitude)
[22:08] <mime_> thanx sphin
[22:10] <mime_> when ir says grub>,  i just can type ''repir X disk'' or a similar command to reenable the damaged tree?
[22:11] <aboaboit> Sphinx: live cd dled, booted, chroot done
[22:11] <mime_> or repeir automatically what is broken?
[22:11] <nicklas_> hello, i have installed kubuntu, but i cant install kubunt-restricted-extras?
[22:11] <aboaboit> Sphinx: update-grub complains "cannot find a device for /"
[22:11] <kaddi> nicklas_: when you say you can't install what does that mean? Do you get an error message?
[22:11] <Sphinx> aboaboit: and, you want to ... make grub working?
[22:12] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste the line
[22:12] <Earn> Hola, instalé kubuntu 9.10 en mi CQ50-111la. Reconoce mi red wifi pero no me conecta
[22:12] <Byron> nicklas_: Have an error message?
[22:12] <nicklas_> kaddi: in kpackagekit, i choose to install it, and nothing happens, it starts the install, but doesnt install it
[22:12] <aguitel> how remove kubuntu ?
[22:12] <nicklas_> should i try it in konsole?
[22:12] <Sphinx> mime_: what do you mean damaged tree?
[22:12] <aboaboit> Sphinx: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /
[22:12] <Byron> nicklas_: Yes, do it in Konsole
[22:13] <mime_> oye earn, me instale wicd que es otro manejador de redes, i a mi me lo arreglo
[22:13] <kaddi> nicklas_: yes please, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:13] <mime_> the tree of files
[22:13] <nicklas_> Byron: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras or sudo aptitide install?
[22:13] <mime_> i just selec kubuntu in dualboot,
[22:13] <mime_> and it says grub>
[22:13] <Byron> nicklas_: refer to kaddi
[22:13] <mime_> and anything else hapens
[22:13] <nicklas_> kaddi: not aptitude+
[22:13] <nicklas_> ?
[22:14] <Sphinx> mime_: no, you need to repair grub from live cd
[22:14] <nicklas_> what is the difference?
[22:14] <mime_> how?
[22:14] <kaddi> Sphinx: when I use aptitude hold kaffeine the package still gets updated with the next sudo apt-get upgrade, how can I prevent that?
[22:14] <cox> how do i start a new session?
[22:14] <nicklas_> between apt-get and aptitude?
[22:14] <mime_> i put the cd, but it runs into the installation menu
[22:14] <Sphinx> mime_: if you have limited bandwidth, download systemrescuecd
[22:14] <carpii_> cox, ctrl-alt-F1, F2 etc
[22:14] <Earn> Mime, como lo instalo?
[22:14] <mime_> oye earn, me has leido?
[22:15] <kaddi> nicklas_: I can't tell you the differences. There are some, but they are small. I personally prefer apt-get cause I know it better. If you prefere aptitude, you can use aptitude
[22:15] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste the line, it shold be something like grub-install /dev/sda
[22:15] <carpii_> or do switch user from the start menu
[22:15] <mime_> desde lo de los paquetes
[22:15] <david___> I use synaptic
[22:15] <Sphinx> kaddi: start aptitude just by aptitude
[22:15] <nicklas_> kaddi: seems like it works in terminal for some reason
[22:15] <mime_> busca en tu buscador de paquetes network manager
[22:15] <Sphinx> kaddi: you will see text graphics, find the package by "/package_name"
[22:15] <Sphinx> then press =
[22:15] <Byron> nicklas_: CLI > GUI
[22:16] <yofel> nicklas_: aptitude has a more advanced dependency resolve than apt-get, and it has a nice ncurses interface too
[22:16] <Earn> Ok, mime_, voy a intentar esa opción.
[22:16] <david___> I open a terminal, switch to root and run mc - works like a charm
[22:16] <Sphinx> and F10 q
[22:16] <mime_> e instalate el que pone wicd manager, a  mi me pasaba lo mismo i con este es solo poner la contraseña i ya esta
[22:16] <nicklas_> yofel: i should have used aptitude instead?
[22:16] <aboaboit> Sphinx: grub-install /dev/sda, output: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub
[22:16] <aboaboit> Sphinx: sda1 is XP, sda5 is Linux ext3 and sda6 is swap
[22:17] <mime_> pero no mola tanto :P
[22:17] <Earn> cómo lo instalo si no tengo internet
[22:17] <Sphinx> aboaboit: paste somewhere ls /boot
[22:17] <Sphinx> aboaboit: and /etc/fstab
[22:17] <mime_> creo que no puedes, pero si ahora estamos hablando
[22:17] <Earn> Estoy desde otro pc
[22:17] <yofel> nicklas_: in almost all cases apt-get and aptitude work the same, I would only really recommend to use aptitude in situations where update-manager tells you it want's to do a partial upgrade
[22:18] <kaddi> Sphinx: the package is marked as "hold" in aptitude. But apt-get doesn't read/respect the settings for aptitude so it still tries to update the package. How can I make the block to the package global, so that no program will update the package
[22:18] <nicklas_> yofel: should i do sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-restricted-extras and then sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:18] <nicklas_> yofel: aha
[22:18] <nicklas_> i see
[22:18] <yofel> nicklas_: no
[22:19] <mime_> it says minimal line bash editing
[22:19] <mime_> pues no lo se... no se tanto
[22:20] <kaddi> !es
[22:20] <Sphinx> kaddi: yes, there is some way how to do it in apt config, it is prefering one version against another
[22:20] <Sphinx> kaddi: wait ..
[22:20] <mime_> and grub> onlly appears
[22:20] <kaddi> just in case...
[22:20] <Earn> Ok, teagradezco. Voy a ver si puedo bajar el paquete y luego instalarlo
[22:21] <aboaboit> Sphinx: boot contains abi-2.6.31-14-generic, config-2.6.31-14-generic, System.map-2.6.31-14-generic, vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic and a grub subdir
[22:21] <Sphinx> aboaboit: okay, then check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:22] <Sphinx> aboaboit: if it is exactly the same names
[22:22] <Earn> Oye  ubottu, entiendo tu preocupación. Ya intenté esa opción y nadie me contestó. Solo hay 7 usuarios.
[22:22] <aboaboit> Sphinx: fstab has root pointed by a UUID that matches /dev/sda5 (checked via /dev/disk/by-uuid)
[22:22] <Byron> Sphinx: I don't think /boot/grub/menu.lst exists anymore
[22:23] <aboaboit> Sphinx: there is no menu.lst, this is grub2
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: oh hell, why?
[22:24] <mime_> ok, i have to go thank you for all, cya, and thnx
[22:24] <kaddi> cya
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I heard grub2 is not that okay as everyone would expect
[22:24] <yofel> !grub2 | Sphinx
[22:24] <aboaboit> Sphinx: been using it to boot raid/lvm, normal grub can't do it...
[22:24] <Sphinx> aboaboit: oh yes
[22:25] <yofel> Sphinx: everyone on karmic uses grub2
[22:25] <aboaboit> Sphinx: so i expect it to be able to boot a lowly single disk
[22:25] <Sphinx> aboaboit: you way that grub can not boot lvm? That is not true, I use is with no problems
[22:25] <aboaboit> Sphinx: lvm and raid...
[22:25] <Sphinx> yofel: aboaboit I am sorry, I have never configured grub2
[22:26] <Byron> GRUB2 seems decent for basic use, but somehow seems to be missing fundamental usage.
[22:26] <Sphinx> aboaboit: never tried both at the same time
[22:26] <Sphinx> aboaboit: when talking about such basic things like bootloader, I would propose grub usage
[22:27] <Sphinx> If you can
[22:27] <aboaboit> Sphinx: anyhow...grub config lists the same uuid as the correct partition
[22:27] <aboaboit> Sphinx: is that another channel or the package docu?
[22:28] <Byron> With every reboot, it's doing FSCK :(
[22:28] <ljl> is there currently any clean way to have a mac-os style menubar that works with any widget style?
[22:29] <yofel> Byron: not here, maybe you've got shutdown issues?
[22:29] <Byron> And now I've reached my first freeze :(
[22:29] <Sphinx> aboaboit: what do you mean?
[22:29] <Sphinx> Byron: which fs?
[22:29] <Byron> Sphinx: ext4
[22:30] <aboaboit> Sphinx: your suggestion, are you pointing me to another channel here or the docs?
[22:30] <Sphinx> Byron: do you consider it to be stable enough?
[22:30] <Byron> Sphinx: I was advised to use ext4 because ext3 couldn't really handle 1TB drives
[22:30] <Sphinx> aboaboit: no, I propose to downgrade to grub-legacy if you can, otherwise to see docs :-)
[22:30] <yofel> Sphinx: it is supposed to be stable enough for daily usage, and it's the default fx in karmic
[22:31] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll go with the docs, i'm not really comfortable with downgrading such a basic component that came as default
[22:31] <yofel> s/fx/fs
[22:31] <Sphinx> yofel: I know, I just tell, menu.lst is fairly known so he can configure it in a while, if not, he has to read docs, that is all
[22:31] <yofel> aboaboit: what was your issue again? and did you read the wiki page?
[22:31] <Byron> I think its just time for me to upgrade the mobo
[22:32] <Byron> Too bad I don't have the money to do that right now
[22:32] <Sphinx> aboaboit: as you wish, np
[22:32] <aboaboit> Sphinx: thanks anyway for the help
[22:33] <aboaboit> yofel: laptop doesn't boot linux (but XP yes) after successful upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10
[22:33] <yofel> ah, *sigh* why couldn't they at least have left grub alone on upgrades...
[22:33] <aboaboit> yofel: wiki page points to a bug, different case than mine and fix doesn't apply... tried it
[22:33] <Sphinx> Byron: according to wikipedia, it should be ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
[22:34] <Sphinx> aboaboit: look, there must be some config to check
[22:34] <aboaboit> Sphinx: or buggy package...
[22:35] <Byron> Sphinx: I'm guessing it's a bad mobo at this point. I'll leave it for my XP when I have the money to build a new system
[22:35] <yofel> aboaboit: you could try to ask in the other support channels (like #ubuntu) since the bootloader has nothing to do with kde, maybe they know something there
[22:35] <Byron> Woohoo... downloaded a whopping 105kb before disconnecting from the network.
[22:35] <aboaboit> yofel: sure, np
[22:36]  * aboaboit rushes to #ubuntu
[22:36] <Sphinx> aboaboit: :-) try #grub
[22:37] <yofel> that too :)
[22:37] <aboaboit> Sphinx: if all else fails... i'm working on the assumption that the bug is ubuntu-specific
[22:37] <Sphinx> aboaboit: that is not likely
[22:37] <ep> Got a fairly new gigibyte MB with surrond sound on board, realtech ALC888.   Works great but for only a single app at a time.  Does this mean it is not "mixing"?  Don't know how to ask this question.  Anyway how might I fix this?
[22:38] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I really doubt it, ask #grub, there will be specialists
[22:38] <aboaboit> Sphinx: why do you say so? each distro has extra patches wrt upstream
[22:38] <aboaboit> Sphinx: i'll try #grub first, ok? :-)
[22:38] <Sphinx> ep: How have you cehcked it? BTW it is multitasking or multiprocessing
[22:39] <Sphinx> aboaboit: yes, patches are susually present, but rarely changes functionality, it is used to: 1) correct a bug that was not corrected by upstream, 2) to make things better cooperating
[22:39] <ep> Sphinx: I've check it by multitasking.  If I fire up a second app which uses sound.  The first app quits making sounds until I kill the 2nd one.  etc.
[22:40] <Sphinx> ep: Okay, which ubuntu version? Which apps?
[22:41] <jiro> libu
[22:42] <ep> 9.10 amarok bzflag jin (java chess program)  absolute poker  (java online poker) any combination of the aforementioned apps and others.
[22:43] <Sphinx> ep: Do you have pulseaudio?
[22:43] <ep> sphinx movies to  dragon movie player
[22:43] <Byron> I don't understand how the computer works well in XP but not in Kubuntu. I think I'm just missing out on a networking package
[22:43] <ep> Sphinx: I have pulseaudio
[22:44] <Byron> Is there a way to see what is causing the network to drop?
[22:44] <yofel> Byron: what network card do you have? any output in dmesg or syslog?
[22:44] <Byron> yofel: It's onboard to the Abit VT7 motherboard.
[22:44] <aboaboit> Sphinx: fixed
[22:45] <Byron> I will check the log.
[22:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: or so it seems...
[22:45] <yofel> Byron: 'lspci' should list your network card with the other hardware
[22:45] <Sphinx> aboaboit: good :-)
[22:45] <Sphinx> ep: is pulseaudio running?
[22:45] <aboaboit> Sphinx: yep, definitely a botched mbr installation
[22:45] <Byron> yofel: It jus froze :(
[22:46] <yofel> o.O
[22:47] <Sphinx> Just a question from me ... is it worth to get 9.10?
[22:47] <Sphinx> ep: try pavucontrol
[22:47] <ep> Sphinx:  It's not working apparently.  eg.  Hit the test button in "System Settings"  Whether not working means not running, I don't know
[22:47] <Sphinx> ep: to see what is happening in PA
[22:48] <Byron> yofel: 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
[22:48] <yofel> Sphinx: err... read the release notes on kubuntu.org and decide yourself would be my advice...
[22:48] <kaddi_> Sphinx: I've been very happy with 9.10 for a while now. but yofel has it more to the point
[22:48] <Sphinx> yofel: good one :-)
[22:48] <Byron> yofel: per dmesg: eth1: no IPv6 routers present
[22:49] <yofel> Sphinx: on my eeePC the intel graphic driver in jaunty was crap and intrepid had a lot of issues so karmic is my choice :)
[22:49] <ep> Sphinx: installing it one moment
[22:50] <aboaboit> Sphinx: great... now it is xorg not starting
[22:50] <kaddi_> Sphinx: For holding a package in apt-get you need to go to /etc/apt/preferences and pin the package, I did this by adding the following 3 lines:  1) Package: kaffeine 2) Pin: version 0.8.7* 3)Pin-Priority: 1000. It's working flawlessly now. :) In case you wanted to know :)
[22:50] <Byron> yofel: does that help any?
[22:50] <yofel> Byron: hm, I don't know the card, is it a new one?
[22:51] <Byron> yofel: It's on an Abit VT7. Motherboard was available 5 years ago.
[22:51] <yofel> Byron: how do you connect to the network? knetworkmanager?
[22:51] <Sphinx> aboaboit: so look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:51] <ep> Sphinx: installed and ran pavucontrol -->  "connection failed" error dialog box.  Do i need to restart x?
[22:51] <Byron> yofel: Yes.
[22:51] <Sphinx> kaddi thanks :-)
[22:52] <Sphinx> nice feedback
[22:52] <Sphinx> ep: no, that means your pa is not running
[22:52] <aboaboit> Sphinx: done, says no screens found... i have already met this case... can't remember the fix, though
[22:52] <Sphinx> aboaboit: I would try to regenerate xorg.conf
[22:53] <ep> Sphinx: you're a busy guy here :-)
[22:53] <Sphinx> ep: not that much
[22:54] <ep> Sphinx: So how do i get pa running?
[22:54] <yofel> Byron: I'm not that good at debugging network issues, but you  could try wicd. If that doesn't work it might be a driver issue and I don't know how to help there.
[22:54] <Sphinx> ep, try pulseaudio –system=1 –high-priority=1 -D
[22:55] <yofel> !wicd | Byron
[22:55] <yofel> !info wicd
[22:55] <Byron> yofel: Let me reboot first. I have no network
[22:55] <Sphinx> Byron: it is easy
[22:56] <Sphinx> Byron: first ifconfig
[22:56] <ep> Sphinx: "pulse audio is not currently installed ":-)    Geez, shouldn't the CD install have done this?    Anyway I'll install now
[22:56] <Sphinx> Byron: can you see your card there?
[22:56] <Sphinx> ep: :-)
[22:56] <Byron> Sphinx: Yes. It has an IP. I've tried 'sudo dhclient eth1' and it does nothing
[22:56] <Byron> rather, it fails
[22:56] <Byron> Yet, while having an IP, I can't connect to the router.
[22:57] <Byron> rebooting again, it froze
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: try: ifconfig <interface> down
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: then ifnconfig <interface> up
[22:57] <Byron> Sphinx: Upon doing up, I get nothing and the card isn't there
[22:57] <Sphinx> Byron: then dhclient <interface>
[22:58] <Byron> did that too
[22:58] <Sphinx> Byron: then check /etc/network/interfaces and paste it
[22:58] <Byron> paste what?
[22:58] <ep> Sphinx: do i need to restart x now?
[22:58] <Sphinx> the file
[22:59] <Sphinx> ep: no, it is separate server - sournd server
[22:59] <Sphinx> sound, sorry for typos
[22:59] <Sphinx> ep: so start it by line I sent you
[22:59] <ep> done
[23:00] <Sphinx> ep: then pavumenter or paman
[23:00] <ep> Sphinx: done   guess i test by multitasking?
[23:00] <Sphinx> ep: well, pulseaudio is what you want for several audio apps running simultaneously, it acts like proxy
[23:01] <Byron> Sphinx: I have no mention of eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:01] <Sphinx> ep: so the only thing you need is to make all your apps use it
[23:01] <Byron> Sphinx: Comparing with my netbook, it doesn't either. They are identical.
[23:01] <ep> i thought good sound chips did that in hardware.  Guess the ones on MB's aren't good
[23:02] <Byron> Sphinx: sudo dhclient eth1 failed
[23:02] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:02] <Sphinx> Byron: yes, then it is handled by NetworkManager, I encountered several problems with it and you can resolve it by 1) auto eth1 and 2) iface eth1 inet dhcp
[23:03] <Sphinx> Byron: then make /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:03] <nicklas_> hello, ive installed kubunt-restricted-extras, in ubuntu i had sound in flash with ubuntu-restricted-extras, but not in kubuntu?
[23:03] <Sphinx> ep: no, it definitely is not a matter of hw
[23:04] <ep> Sphinx ah good, no i dont' think my sound chip is cheap :D  THe MB review said it was good
[23:04] <Sphinx> ep: it is sound setup: there are multiple sound libraries that can compete of sound card - OSS, ALSA, ... Pulseaudion makes them not to interfere
[23:04] <ep> cool
[23:04] <Sphinx> ep: yes, run paman and you will se more
[23:05] <Byron> Sphinx: I just did as you said and it failed.
[23:05] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:05] <Sphinx> ep and remember to install all related packages like pulseaudio-esound-compat libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio ...
[23:06] <Byron> Sphinx: doing ifconfig, I see eth1, but no IP address
[23:06] <Sphinx> Byron: then /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart and then ..networking restart
[23:06] <ep> Sphinx: will do, thanks for the help.  Listening to music right now and my IRC client dinged at me!
[23:06] <Sphinx> ep: nice you are welcome
[23:07] <ep> Man it sounds awsome, even with cheapo speakers
[23:07] <Sphinx> ep: yes, just check recodring
[23:07] <ep> scare to ;)  but will
[23:08] <Byron> Sphinx: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[23:08] <VivaVista> I tried unistalling kubuntu by first removing grub so I went to Windows recovery and typed in "bootsect /nt60 all and It said restored succesfully but GRUB is still there
[23:08] <Sphinx> ep: some apps have its configuration (like skype) that can be set to pulse
[23:09] <kubuntu-fu> how can I edit xorg.conf on my hard drive from the live cd?
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: strange, what cards do you use?
[23:09] <Byron> Sphinx: 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: ... and kernel version. could you try reboot?
[23:09] <Sphinx> Byron: what module?
[23:10] <Byron> how do I check module?
[23:10] <Sphinx> Byron: could you paste lshw output?
[23:10] <Sphinx> Byron: by lshw
[23:10] <VivaVista> anyone
[23:10] <Byron> kernel: 2.6.31-14
[23:10] <Sphinx> VivaVista: well, maybe that Vista restores just partition, not Master Boot Record
[23:11] <kubuntu-fu> how do I see my hard drive from the live cd environment?
[23:11] <VivaVista> ugh
[23:11] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: what information?
[23:11] <Byron> Sphinx: I can't paste due to no network. Let me reboot and paste if I get the chance before the network dies.
[23:11] <VivaVista> Its so easy to install Linux, but so hard to get rid of...sounds like a Microsoft tactic...
[23:12] <kubuntu-fu> I need to edit the xorg.conf file
[23:12] <Sphinx> Byron: okay
[23:12] <VivaVista> GRUB is evil.
[23:12] <yofel> VivaVista: the only sure method I know to wipe grub is windows install cd recovery console and type 'fixmbr' there
[23:12] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: sok you need to mount it?
[23:12] <Sphinx> s/sok/so/
[23:12] <VivaVista> I tried that yofel
[23:12] <kubuntu-fu> I usually do that thru gparted
[23:12] <VivaVista> CMD doesn't recognize that command
[23:12] <yofel> huh? and it didn't work?
[23:13] <VivaVista> I'm using Windows 7
[23:13] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: the xorg.conf is on that disc?
[23:13] <yofel> maybe they removed it there, it worked when I last tried it in vista
[23:13] <yofel> stupid ms :/
[23:14] <VivaVista> oh well
[23:14] <kubuntu-fu> I have a new kubuntu 9.10 installed on my hard drive, I edited the xorg to use intel and now it won't boot
[23:14] <VivaVista> I'll try to make an image of my primary partiion and just delete everything then -.-
[23:14] <trampel> VivaVista: http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
[23:14] <aboaboit> Sphinx: still no go but it's late... see you tomorrow!
[23:14] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: wont boot at all? Coudl you tell more what happens?
[23:14] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: why did you edit it to use intel? it should use intel by default
[23:14] <Byron> Sphinx: http://pastebin.com/d5d033ce
[23:14] <Sphinx> aboaboit: hope we will, btw what time do you have?
[23:15] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: if you have an intel graphic card
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> it uses vesa by default, lousy 800x600 is all I get
[23:15] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: you don't by chance have that GME500 - poulsbo ?
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> I switched to intel now I get a black screen
[23:15] <kubuntu-fu> no, it's a 915 on the mobo
[23:15] <aboaboit> Sphinx: it's 00:15 here in Italy
[23:16] <gigasoft> how to make a voice calls via amsn?
[23:16] <Sphinx> aboaboit: same here in CZ
[23:16] <kubuntu-fu> is there a grub option to fall back to vesa?
[23:17] <yofel> kubuntu-fu: can you still switch to a tty after boot?
[23:17] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: it shold not be in grub
[23:17] <kubuntu-fu> no, I can't switch to any terminals
[23:17] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: if you want to boot without GUI for maintennance, add single to the end fo grub kernel line
[23:17] <aboaboit> Sphinx: great beer over there :-)
[23:17] <aboaboit> byeeee
[23:18] <Sphinx> aboaboit: see you
[23:18] <kubuntu-fu> you mean the word "single"
[23:18] <Byron> Sphinx: Does that help or did you want the entire lshw?
[23:19] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: yes
[23:20] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: this will make kernel to stop after loading just basic services AND you will be prompted for root pass
[23:20] <kubuntu-fu> ok, now if I need to mount my hd, how do I do that?
[23:20] <kubuntu-fu> I mean from the live cd environment
[23:21] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: well that should make your kernel booting and make filesystem available
[23:22] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: ah, okay, fdisk -l will show you discs
[23:22] <Sphinx> kubuntu-fu: then mount /dev/<device> <mountpoint>
[23:22] <kubuntu-fu> ok, I'm off to do that, thanks for all the help!
[23:25] <Sphinx> yofel Has anyone considered to collect somewhere basic procedures (like mounting hdd, recovering grub ...) ?
[23:25] <Sphinx> yofel: it might help on this channel
[23:31] <yofel> hm, I don't know the whole ubuntu documentation and wiki, there are some helpful pages like the command line introduction, but I just don't know many of them
[23:32] <yofel> and ubottu has a rather badly designed factoid list :/
[23:32] <yofel> like there actually is a guide for mount
[23:32] <yofel> !mount
[23:33] <yofel> ok... why does /msg ubottu mount and !mount give different results ?!?
[23:33] <yofel> ubottu: mount
[23:34] <ljl> yofel: because /msg ubottu mount will give you the generic factoid
[23:34] <ljl> while !mount in this channel will give you the one specific for this channel
[23:34] <Galaen> amarok 2.0.2 is a big shit scuse but it cannot sort my collection exactely
[23:34] <yofel> ljl: what? every channel has it's own factoids? didn't know that
[23:35] <yofel> ljl: how do you access the generic ones from this channel then?
[23:35] <ljl> yofel: you can't. not every factoid has a channel-specific version, but those that need it do.
[23:36] <yofel> :(
[23:36] <Galaen> all bug of amarok 2.0.2 are fixed in karmic?
[23:36] <kaddi> so querying ubottu in private when looking for kubuntu specific solutions is not a good idea?
[23:37] <yofel> ljl: it would be useful to have that, especially since mount and mount are completely different
[23:37] <trampel> Galaen: IMHO use xmms2
[23:37] <Galaen> trampel: what is imho?
[23:38] <trampel> Galaen: (in my humble opinion)
[23:38] <Galaen> ok ;) trampel
[23:38] <Byron> humble/honest
[23:38] <ljl> yofel: you can join #ubuntu-ops and propose amendments to one or both factoids, or just do that in pm with the bot
[23:38] <kaddi> isn't amarok 2.2 released? Maybe you should update?
[23:39] <Byron> Sphinx: I don't mean to jinx it, but maybe this last reboot did the trick. I seem to be flying on the network with the constant download of packages.
[23:39] <yofel> ljl: ok thx, might do that when I have the time
[23:40] <Galaen> amarok 2.0 is released in the same time of the first version of KDE4 it's maybe the reason of the big bug
[23:40] <yofel> !info amarok
[23:40] <Galaen> it can't find jacket
[23:40] <Byron> I'm at package 340 of 560-ish.
[23:40] <Galaen> mix the album in the collection
[23:41] <Galaen> great
[23:41] <Galaen> :D
[23:42] <ljl> is there currently any clean way to have a mac-os style menubar that works with any widget style?
[23:43] <Byron> Quick question: Is the kde netbook edition supposed to function like an app on top of KDE itself?
[23:44] <Galaen> so  i try to update to karmic
[23:47] <Galaen> have you a lot of bug with karmic?
[23:47] <Sphinx> Byron: yes, after reboot, your NetworkManager read interfaces and learned that there is no need to take care of eth1, so it was started by basic networking
[23:48] <callnett> what is the differenece between the ubuntu and kubuntu?
[23:48] <baron86> Hello.. I need help with Grub.. I Have a second hard drive with Windows 7 and its difficult to enter it to the Grub menu without a GUI.. does anynone now how to add this OS ?
[23:48] <Sphinx> callnett: ubuntu is Gnome based, kubuntu KDE based
[23:48] <baron86> ubuntu has Gnome.. kubuntu has KDE different Graphical environment
[23:48] <Sphinx> okay, too late for me now, good night
[23:48] <nicklas_> hello, installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, sound dont work in flash, it worked with ubuntu-restricted-extras in ubuntu. is this fixable and how do i fix it?
[23:49] <kaddi> can I switch the language for apt-get? Eg get the output of apt-cache search in english for example
[23:49] <kaddi> good night Sphinx :)
[23:49] <baron86> Problem With GRUB again.. Anyone knowing sth would be helpful
[23:49] <callnett> Sphinx: thanks, but what is the difference between gnome and kde?
[23:49] <Sphinx_away> callnett: well, different gui
[23:49] <yofel> baron86: what version of kubuntu do you use?
[23:50] <kaddi> callnett: they look and handel different and they offer different default programs.
[23:50] <Sphinx_away> callnett: see http://www.gnome.org/ and www.kde.org
[23:50] <baron86> 9.10 Karmic Koala.. I have both Kubuntu, Ubuntu but in the previous relese there was KGrub Editor
[23:50] <eXq> hi there strange bug, i have sound with dragon player in avi files but not with vlc and mplayer ... audio codec is present
[23:50] <callnett> Sphinx_away: thanks very much
[23:50] <baron86> and was easy to modify the Grub menu via a Gui.. Is there any Gui in the new beta one?
[23:51] <callnett> Sphinx_away: how can i know wich one i have?
[23:51] <yofel> baron86: and what is your problem with grub? it should recognize windows by itself
[23:51] <baron86> well it doesnt..
[23:51] <baron86> its on a seperate hard disk
[23:51] <nicklas_> this isnt fixable?
[23:51] <yofel> callnett: well, ubuntu -> gnome, kubuntu -> kde
[23:51] <kaddi> callnett: did you connect to this channel by default or did you choose it on purpose?
[23:52] <callnett> Sphinx_away: or can i use a boot in a same time?
[23:52] <yofel> baron86: did you try to run 'sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub' in a terminal to see if it recognizes windows, grub2 has problems to find windows on upgrade or installation
[23:53] <baron86> Look i didnt have the disk on when Installed Ubuntu
[23:53] <baron86> but i am going to try it now and tell you what happens..
[23:53] <tsimpson> callnett: you can have both gnome and kde installed at the same time, and choose which to use when you login. but you don't need all of gnome or all of kde to run apps for gnome and kde
[23:54] <baron86> you better i dont lose anything
[23:54] <yofel> baron86: it will only update the grub configuration with the kernel and system list
[23:54] <SJr> What package do I need to install for GTK windows?
[23:54] <baron86> okie.. see you in a while
[23:54] <baron86> anitos
[23:55] <callnett> tsimpson: ok. great, thanks very much
[23:55] <callnett> tsimpson: can u tell me wich linux i' m use now?
[23:55] <Byron> Sphinx_away: spoke too soon
[23:55] <kde185> hey grub2 is finding my CentOS partition when I run update-grub, but it isn't adding an option to the boot menu.  Is there a way to make it go ahead and add what needs to be added?
[23:55] <tsimpson> callnett: what did you install?
[23:56] <nicklas_> noone else has had the problem with sound not working in falsh?
[23:56] <nicklas_> flash
[23:57] <tsimpson> kde185: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Adding%20Entries%20to%20Grub%202 should have some info
[23:57] <yofel> nicklas_: I heard others say they had it but don't know the solution right now
[23:57] <callnett> tsimpson: ubuntu i think, but i dont know because i downoal from the net
[23:57] <kaddi> lol, I'm on fire tonight. If anyone wanted to know the answer to my question "can I switch language for apt to get the output of apt-cache search in english?", simply run:LANG=en_GB.utf8 apt-cache search kaffeine. The only prerequisite is that the language is installed which you can check by using "locale -a", it'll give you all installed locales
[23:57] <rafytafy> has anyone updated via adept from 8.04 to 9.10 using the internet option?
[23:57] <kde185> nicklas_: I remember some people in the past having troubles with flash and pulseaudio.  I don't know if it's been fixed yet though
[23:57] <tsimpson> callnett: did you go to ubuntu.com or kubuntu.org?
[23:57] <nicklas_> thats too bad :-S
[23:58] <callnett> tsimpson: ubuntu
[23:58] <seige36> hey all anyone know how to troubleshoot lm-sensors?
[23:58] <nicklas_> you guys think there will come a patch?
[23:58] <tsimpson> callnett: then you most likely have gnome, is the application menu at the top? if so then it's gnome
[23:58] <kde185> nicklas_: I can't remember what it is called, but installing some package would provide a pulseaudio backend or something.
[23:59] <kaddi> rafytafy: you mean do consecutive upgrades from 8.04 to 9.10 using the update manager? I did that on my old laptop, worked well, although it took me 2 days to do all the consecutive upgrades, a reinstall would definitely have been quicker
[23:59] <callnett> tsimpson: do u think is good idea to downoad kubuntu beside ubuntu?
[23:59] <rafytafy> kaddi: any problems?
[23:59] <tsimpson> callnett: if you want to install kubuntu, just install the "kubuntu-desktop" package from the package manager, that'll give you a full kubuntu install along side you ubuntu install