| \u03b5 | is there a way to mark releases as testing? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| wgrant | \u03b5: No :( | 00:17 |
| NakedNous | Hi | 00:18 |
| NakedNous | I have never used freenode | 00:18 |
| \u03b5 | any way to mark one as current stable then? | 00:18 |
| NakedNous | can anyobe see me? | 00:19 |
| \u03b5 | NakedNous, yes, Hi | 00:19 |
| NakedNous | say great! Hi all! | 00:19 |
| NakedNous | say sorry for my English, it is not my first language | 00:19 |
| \u03b5 | you don't need to write "say" in front of everything :) | 00:20 |
| NakedNous | I'm a packager newbie and it seems I lost my private key when upgrading to karmic | 00:20 |
| NakedNous | my packages are located at: https://launchpad.net/~nakednous/+archive/ppa | 00:20 |
| NakedNous | and I want to upgrade them to karmic | 00:21 |
| \u03b5 | you need to make a new key then | 00:21 |
| \u03b5 | then set it up in launchpad | 00:21 |
| \u03b5 | then sign the repo with your new key | 00:21 |
| NakedNous | is it the only way? | 00:22 |
| \u03b5 | hopefully it is :) | 00:22 |
| NakedNous | I don't want the public part of the kay to be changed | 00:22 |
| \u03b5 | then you have to do the math yourself | 00:23 |
| \u03b5 | why is that important? | 00:23 |
| NakedNous | I thought the private key was also store somewhere at the ppa server | 00:23 |
| NakedNous | I don't want people using my software to sign it again | 00:24 |
| wgrant | So, there are two keys involved in PPA. | 00:24 |
| wgrant | *PPAs | 00:24 |
| wgrant | One is the one where *only* Launchpad has the private key. that's the one that your users see. | 00:24 |
| wgrant | And one where only you have the private key. | 00:24 |
| wgrant | That's the one you use to uploda. | 00:25 |
| NakedNous | I think so | 00:25 |
| wgrant | Nobody cares about that once you've uplodaed. | 00:25 |
| wgrant | Wow, I cannot type today. | 00:25 |
| NakedNous | do mean that the public part will remain unchanged? | 00:26 |
| NakedNous | the one my users see? | 00:26 |
| wgrant | Right. | 00:26 |
| wgrant | You never had the private key for the key that users see. | 00:26 |
| NakedNous | thats great! | 00:26 |
| NakedNous | so I need to regenerate it, but what if I need it at another computer in the future? | 00:27 |
| NakedNous | I will check how to retrieve it | 00:27 |
| wgrant | You can copy your keys (they live in ~/.gnupg) between machines. But guard them well. | 00:28 |
| NakedNous | I see, need to study | 00:28 |
| NakedNous | finally, could you please point me the url where to generate the kyes, I forgot it | 00:29 |
| wgrant | NakedNous: See https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys | 00:30 |
| NakedNous | say thank you all! | 00:31 |
| NakedNous | have a nice day | 00:31 |
| wgrant | You too, NakedNous. | 00:31 |
| DBO | bzr is the slow, I assume this is known so just popping in to ensure this is the case | 00:39 |
| wgrant | DBO: What operation is slow? | 00:40 |
| dtchen | bzr itself, or pushing to somewhere hosted by Canonical? | 00:40 |
| DBO | someone pushed a new branch, and nobody can access it yet | 00:40 |
| DBO | been about half an hour | 00:40 |
| DBO | dtchen! | 00:40 |
| DBO | wanna know something amusing? | 00:40 |
| dtchen | not really. | 00:40 |
| DBO | my speakers came back to life | 00:40 |
| DBO | for no friggin reason | 00:40 |
| DBO | about 2 months ago, out of the blue, been working ever sense | 00:41 |
| dtchen | congrats. | 00:41 |
| DBO | also I work for Canonical now :) | 00:41 |
| dtchen | excellent. | 00:41 |
| wgrant | The branch scanner appears to be doing bad things. | 00:42 |
| wgrant | (ie. nothing) | 00:42 |
| DBO | awesome | 00:42 |
| wgrant | mthaddon: ^^? | 00:42 |
| wgrant | Hm. Odd that no yellow boxes are showing up. | 00:43 |
| wgrant | Hmm. I wonder if it's related to the large number of new branches that have been created in the past 12 or so hours. | 00:46 |
| wgrant | (due to Lucid) | 00:46 |
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| wgrant | rockstar: You're not still around? | 00:55 |
| rockstar | wgrant, I am. | 00:56 |
| wgrant | rockstar: What is going on with the branch scanner? | 00:57 |
| rockstar | wgrant, I didn't know anything was going on with it. One sec. | 00:57 |
| wgrant | Just busy with the 16000 new branches? | 00:57 |
| rockstar | wgrant, oh yes, that's VERY likely. | 00:57 |
| wgrant | Might want to dent and topic it, unless it's finishing soon (I presume you have pretty graphs) | 00:58 |
| rockstar | wgrant, investigating it. | 01:03 |
| mwhudson | yes, branch updates seem clogged by the 16000 new branches | 01:46 |
| mwhudson | probably requesting them all be mirrored in one hit isn't so smart | 01:46 |
| wgrant | Probably not. How's it going? | 01:46 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: probably 25% done | 01:47 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Eeep. | 01:47 |
| mwhudson | yeah :( | 01:47 |
| mwhudson | after 3 hours of progress | 01:47 |
| mwhudson | not so great | 01:47 |
| wgrant | Still, better than the old days when LP had to be taken down entirely for 12 hours for a new release's *translations*. | 01:47 |
| wgrant | Adding it to the topic and denting it seems like a very good idea at this point. | 01:52 |
| * mwhudson dents | 01:52 | |
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| wgrant | mwhudson: Thanks. | 01:54 |
| exarkun | 16000 is a lot of branches isn't it | 01:55 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Now, remember to log back in as your normal user, or we'll have a repeat of mrevell-as-Launchpad.net. | 01:55 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: heh, i dented from a client that supports multiple accounts (on my phone, ffs) | 01:56 |
| mwhudson | i guess i should finally set up gwibber on my machine | 01:57 |
| lifeless | exarkun: its a measurable fraction of our total | 01:57 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Gwibber 2.0 really sucks. | 01:57 |
| exarkun | I guess the lucid developers are really prolific? | 01:57 |
| lifeless | exarkun: its one branch per package | 01:57 |
| wgrant | exarkun: They're copies of all the old Karmic branches. | 01:57 |
| lifeless | more or less | 01:57 |
| wgrant | One for each source package. | 01:57 |
| exarkun | Oh | 01:58 |
| lifeless | exarkun: Ubuntu as a whole doesn't have 'trunk', it has one 'branch' per release, and each 'branch' is > 16000 real branches | 01:58 |
| exarkun | You're not talking about an editor for gnome, you're talking about karmic+1 | 01:58 |
| wgrant | exarkun: Right. | 01:58 |
| exarkun | (lucid is an editor for gnome) | 01:58 |
| wgrant | Ahh | 01:58 |
| exarkun | that makes sense then I guess | 01:59 |
| RenatoSilva | any problem with the branch ui updates in LP? | 02:34 |
| RenatoSilva | pushed 2 revisions 10 minutes ago and nothing yet | 02:34 |
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| wgrant | RenatoSilva: There are long delays - see the end of the topic. | 02:45 |
| RenatoSilva | /topic does not return anything | 02:46 |
| RenatoSilva | but ok | 02:46 |
| lifeless | abentley: hi, do you remember the error you had when you tried --parallel? | 02:56 |
| abentley | lifeless: IIRC, subunit wasn't packaged in ubuntu and easy_install didn't work. | 02:57 |
| lifeless | ok; thats been covered in the thread - subunit uses autoconf (because its many-languages) | 02:58 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure how to many something that uses autoconf easy_install-able | 02:58 |
| lifeless | abentley: would more documentation in bzr have helped (to provide the expectation that you'd need to configure && make? | 03:04 |
| abentley | lifeless: Yes, I definitely felt at a loss as to how I was supposed to get subunit. And I was surprised that it wasn't in Ubuntu because I'd been hearing about it from Canonical folk for years. | 03:06 |
| abentley | lifeless: I can't see any description of the argument to --parallel in the command help. | 03:08 |
| lifeless | how do you get help on a registry? | 03:09 |
| abentley | lifeless: You can set value_switches=True, like I did with branch formats, or you can write up a help topic, like we did with transports. I don't think there's support for autogenerated help otherwise. | 03:12 |
| lifeless | what does value_switches do - would it stop the registry being lazy? | 03:13 |
| abentley | lifeless: value_switches causes each value to be a separate option, e.g. --fork, --subprocess. | 03:14 |
| abentley | lifeless: It would not stop the registry from being lazy. | 03:14 |
| lifeless | ok | 03:15 |
| lifeless | I think we should make that change, and file a bug about not getting help otherwise | 03:15 |
| abentley | lifeless: Anyhow, parallel=fork and parallel=subprocess both work now. | 03:22 |
| lifeless | col | 03:24 |
| lifeless | cool | 03:24 |
| _habnabit | Is there any sort of ETA on the branch update backlog? | 04:55 |
| wgrant | _habnabit: I estimate another 4 or 5ish hours, but that's working from this morning's prediction. | 04:57 |
| _habnabit | Dang it. :( | 04:57 |
| wgrant | Yes. This issue was not forseen, since the process has not been run on production before today. | 04:58 |
| abentley | _habnabit: It's going through ~2.5k/h, with 14k remaining. | 05:11 |
| _habnabit | Mmkay. | 05:11 |
| abentley | _habnabit: actually, closer to 3.0k than 2.5k. | 05:14 |
| lifeless | the lines have crossed ;) | 05:14 |
| lifeless | its 22000 seconds behind at the moment | 05:15 |
| lifeless | 6 hours to get where it is, 6 hours to go | 05:15 |
| wgrant | Aha. | 05:15 |
| lifeless | so it will be about 44K seconds behind when it catches up completely | 05:16 |
| Peng | This is wildly off-topic and very unimportant, but could someone near Canonical network-wise do me a favor? How accurate is ntp.ubuntu.com? ISTM it's about 2 ms slow, but I'm far away and it could just be an Internet issue. | 05:26 |
| wgrant | I've a host a couple of hops away. | 05:28 |
| * wgrant checks latency. | 05:28 | |
| Peng | Thanks. :) | 05:36 |
| wgrant | Peng: I can't find another NTP server equally close (<1ms), but most others nearby seem to reliably be about 1-2ms ahead. | 05:38 |
| Peng | wgrant: So it really is a little inaccurate? Interesting, thanks. :) | 05:44 |
| wgrant | Peng: I'd say so. | 05:45 |
| Peng | wgrant: Thanks a lot. :) | 05:46 |
| lifeless | Peng: ask in #canonical-sysadmins | 05:55 |
| lifeless | Peng: or a question on launchpad | 05:55 |
| lifeless | ntp is meant to do latency adjustments | 05:55 |
| Peng | lifeless: Yeah, but it doesn't handle asymmetric latency. | 05:59 |
| lifeless | Peng: it doesn't? damn - I haven't read the spec to see | 06:01 |
| wgrant | How could it? | 06:02 |
| Peng | I think I've heard that Chrony tries to handle it better than the reference implementation. | 06:03 |
| lifeless | wgrant: because traffic gets sent in both directions | 06:08 |
| Peng | Usually it's close enough to symmetric that it's not a problem. | 06:09 |
| lifeless | when ntp was designed and built asymmetry was very common | 06:18 |
| lifeless | so its surprising to me that it wouldn't be catered or | 06:18 |
| lifeless | *for* | 06:18 |
| mneptok | i'd like Ubuntu to use an NTP pool instead of Canonical instances | 07:20 |
| lifeless | mneptok: do you mean regional ones/ | 07:21 |
| lifeless | mneptok: I recall some concerns about swamping unprepared time sources | 07:21 |
| mneptok | server 0.pool.ntp.org | 07:22 |
| mneptok | server 1.pool.ntp.org | 07:22 |
| mneptok | server 2.pool.ntp.org | 07:22 |
| mneptok | like so | 07:22 |
| mneptok | grabs servers from a round-robin | 07:22 |
| wgrant | And possibly increases load on that round-robin by a couple of orders of magnitude. | 07:23 |
| wgrant | lifeless: How's the scanner graph looking? | 07:23 |
| lifeless | 8K to go | 07:23 |
| mneptok | if you don't want that load, don't make your stuff public and encourage its use | 07:23 |
| mneptok | http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/ | 07:24 |
| lifeless | mneptok: folk base load estimates on current data; dropping several million machines onto an unprepard pool would be pretty harsh | 07:24 |
| mneptok | lifeless: that's why a Blueprint and UDS discussion would be in order ;) | 07:25 |
| lifeless | true | 07:25 |
| mneptok | and add Canonical servers to the pool | 07:25 |
| mneptok | "We're bringing the horde, but we have the salad and dessert." | 07:25 |
| thumper | wgrant: we seem to be processing just over 2k an hour, so probably another 4 hours (ish) till complete | 07:37 |
| wgrant | thumper: Ah. Not too bad. | 07:37 |
| * thumper gets ready to watch the rugby | 07:38 | |
| lifeless | thumper: 3K | 07:40 |
| lifeless | 2hr to go | 07:41 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: if the puller had nothing to do, did you consider just lying about last-mirror? | 07:42 |
| vasi | hey, i can't figure out how to link my launchpad bug report to the equivalent report on SourceForge | 08:05 |
| vasi | should i be using the "Also affects project" link? and what if the project isn't there? | 08:05 |
| wgrant | vasi: You need to click 'Also affects project', select the upstream project, and enter the SourceForge.net URL | 08:06 |
| wgrant | If the project isn't there, you'll need to create it. | 08:06 |
| vasi | oh, random users can do that? cool | 08:06 |
| wgrant | Yep. | 08:06 |
| vasi | i kinda assumed that was for only admins | 08:06 |
| wgrant | It happens all the time. | 08:06 |
| vasi | ok, that was surprisingly easy....sorry for the newbie question :-) | 08:07 |
| vasi | (i did look at the docs, i swear!) | 08:07 |
| wgrant | Great. | 08:08 |
| goodnight | what's a "triaged" bug? | 08:43 |
| mwhudson | lifeless: yeah, it's a little more complicated than just lying about last mirror | 08:45 |
| mwhudson | but it's probably (a) doable and (b) worth it | 08:45 |
| lifeless | wgrant: 3K | 09:06 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Not bad. | 09:06 |
| wgrant | Unlike the lack of tests for error cases in archiveuploader. | 09:06 |
| lifeless | there are no error cases | 09:07 |
| lifeless | :) | 09:07 |
| lifeless | we know this, cause there aren't any tests.... | 09:07 |
| wgrant | Looks like lp:launchpad/devel just got scanned. | 09:09 |
| lifeless | 1.5K now | 09:14 |
| wgrant | Odd. | 09:16 |
| lifeless | latency in the graph data I suspect | 09:17 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 09:17 |
| lifeless | but there is also a bend in the curve | 09:22 |
| lifeless | may be something associated with the size of the data set | 09:22 |
| _habnabit | Yaay! My branch finally updated. | 09:22 |
| lifeless | I now see ~500 | 09:22 |
| lifeless | we're down to 9000secs latency | 09:23 |
| wgrant | Excellent. | 09:23 |
| gioele | hello, can SSH pubkeys be fully removed from a Launchpad account or will Launchpad just set them as "old"? | 10:20 |
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| alefteris | I have checked out a mirrored branch and pushed it into a new lp hosted branch, but when doing bzr info, parent branch still mentions the mirrored one | 12:05 |
| alefteris | How can I change it? thanks | 12:05 |
| lifeless | change what | 12:09 |
| maxb | bzr pull --remember parent-you-want ? | 12:13 |
| alefteris | thanks maxb | 12:17 |
| alefteris | Now I have another problem, when trying to change the development focus, the new branch is not there for selection, only the mirrored on is | 12:19 |
| alefteris | any idea what I'm doing wrong? thanks | 12:19 |
| alefteris | nevermind I found it | 12:39 |
| alefteris | the dev forus is a release series not a branch :/ | 12:39 |
| alefteris | when someone aproves a merge request from the web, is the merge peroformed automaticaly in the branch or I have to do it also manualy from the terminal? | 12:42 |
| lifeless | you have to do it | 12:44 |
| alefteris | lifeless, lifeless I notised in the web merge request it has a commit message field? what is that used for? | 12:46 |
| lifeless | communication | 12:47 |
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| Peng | mneptok: Adding a couple servers to the pool would not make up for the load Ubuntu users would bring... | 15:10 |
| carresmd | currently launchpad is _very_ slow.. having problems? | 15:50 |
| carresmd | ah, it's getting better | 15:52 |
| dtchen | filing a bug using edge appears to OOPS | 16:13 |
| dtchen | three in a row, the most recent being OOPS-1400EB434 | 16:13 |
| ubottu | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1400EB434 | 16:13 |
| mneptok | Peng: all Ubuntu use those servers now, so ... | 18:33 |
| hyc | hey, I added an upstream bug to launchpad #291760 but it used the wrong Project name | 19:46 |
| hyc | now when I try to change the Project it times out and says Bad Gateway | 19:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 291760 in network-manager "network-manager roams to (none) ((none)) - background scanning" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291760 | 19:46 |
| hyc | the upstream is gnome 580185 filed against NetworkManager | 19:47 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 580185 in general "NetworkManager drops the network every 120 seconds" [Critical,Needinfo] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580185 | 19:47 |
| hyc | but the LP project says Linux, I wanted to change it to NetworkManager | 19:48 |
| hyc | anyone know why trying to change this fails? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | hyc: it already has a network manager task | 21:23 |
| hyc | yes, but it's all messed up. The NetworkManager task points to a kernel bug report | 22:16 |
| hyc | and the Linux task points to a NetworkManager bug report | 22:16 |
| wgrant | hyc: Click the little arrow at the left of each task, and select the correct bug watch for each. | 22:19 |
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| RenatoSilva | is it common to report development bugs for documentation or whatever? | 22:56 |
| RenatoSilva | that is, report bugs that affect your development version, but no released version at all | 22:57 |
| hyc | wgrant: yes, I tried that but as I said at the beginning of this conversation, I was getting timeouts / Bad Gateway responses from that | 23:11 |
| wgrant | hyc: Reproducibly? | 23:15 |
| wgrant | hyc: It's incredibly slow, but I just swapped them | 23:17 |
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