| mac_v | nemo: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=177 , this is a good explanation of why the bigger sizes of the icons are needed ;) | 05:58 |
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| mac_v | nemo: we did the 64px icons because UNR used the 64px icons in the menus , and rather than scaling the 48px icons , we thought the icons if present in 64px would help make the appearance look better. | 05:59 |
| mac_v | we will also be adding more 128px icons sizes , for icons which are used in bigger sizes | 06:00 |
| mac_v | nemo: also the panel size depends on the font size and not the icon size , contrary to what you state above. Reduce the font size and the panel will also be smaller , I'm using a 19px panel | 06:08 |
| mac_v | reduce the application size and the panel will also allowed to be smaller | 06:10 |
| mac_v | application font size* | 06:10 |
| * ckontros waves | 10:33 | |
| * SiDi doesn't. | 10:35 | |
| ckontros | :( | 10:36 |
| * SiDi bounces instead | 10:36 | |
| * thorwil is reminded of the bouncing ball intro of the old ghostbusters game | 10:48 | |
| thorwil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lh-xwAopy0 | 10:48 |
| ckontros | Anyone know why GIMP.org is down? | 11:51 |
| thorwil | ckontros: the site is sad because the name "gimp" is being discussed on the list once more! | 12:20 |
| ckontros | What? The "name" is under discussion? | 12:20 |
| thorwil | ckontros: yes. though it is _very_ unlikely anything will happen. someone suggested to replace the Gnu with Perfect ... ;) | 12:22 |
| * thorwil leaves for a bicycle ride | 12:22 | |
| ckontros | Ahh... | 12:22 |
| nemo | mac_v: I reduced font sizes | 16:38 |
| nemo | mac_v: and wasn't able to get the panel smaller | 16:38 |
| nemo | mac_v: the instant I shrank start-here.png the panel reduced in size | 16:38 |
| nemo | perhaps you're suggesting that what is forcing the 22px image instead of the 16px image is font dependant? | 16:39 |
| nemo | anyway. others have run into the same thing | 16:39 |
| nemo | the panel says it is 19px high, but is actually 24, until start-here is shrunk | 16:39 |
| nemo | I'd just as soon keep the font size I have though, with a smaller icon | 16:39 |
| * ckontros , with his fonts set to 8px can reduce the panel to 19pixels. | 16:40 | |
| nemo | mac_v: if you want, I can show you a before/after by simply moving my ~/.icons dir w/ its labyrinth of symlinks | 16:40 |
| nemo | ckontros: did you measure the actual panel height? :) | 16:40 |
| nemo | screenshot plz! | 16:40 |
| nemo | anyway. 8px is way too small | 16:40 |
| nemo | ckontros: http://m8y.org/tmp/Screenshot.jpeg - my desktop w/ shrunken start-here | 16:41 |
| mac_v | nemo: humanity has a 16px icon , not sure why there was a need to shrink the icon | 16:42 |
| nemo | mac_v: well. that's why I asked if it was doing some crude trigger based on font size to shrink the panel icon | 16:43 |
| mac_v | btw , 8px , is not too small ;p .. | 16:43 |
| nemo | mac_v: my suspicion is "yes" | 16:43 |
| nemo | if you simply try to reduce the panel size to 20/19px it ignores you, and sticks with the larger icon | 16:43 |
| mac_v | i'v been using 8px , since i felt 10px was too big :) | 16:43 |
| nemo | unlike most things that scale correctly | 16:43 |
| ckontros | I run 1920x1200 w/8px. | 16:44 |
| nemo | however, if you lie to it and tell it the 16px is the 24px one | 16:44 |
| nemo | then it uses that, and the panel can now resize down correctly | 16:44 |
| mac_v | nemo : you can force the icon using gtkrc | 16:44 |
| nemo | oh? that'd be nice too? | 16:44 |
| nemo | where. | 16:44 |
| ckontros | nemo: You seem to just want more padding around the icon. So what you did is fine. | 16:44 |
| nemo | no | 16:44 |
| nemo | ckontros: I don't want more padding. I want the panel at 20px or 19px instead of 24px | 16:44 |
| nemo | ckontros: let me fire up the laptop and show you what happens if I remove the symlinks :) | 16:45 |
| nemo | panel gets taller due to start-here | 16:45 |
| nemo | ignoring the panel size | 16:45 |
| nemo | oooone sec | 16:45 |
| mac_v | nemo: in the gtk theme , you can force the icons size | 16:45 |
| nemo | btw, there are many ubuntu forum threads on this | 16:45 |
| mac_v | gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=16,16" | 16:45 |
| nemo | mac_v: I just want to force *that* icon size. if you could show that, it'd be great | 16:45 |
| nemo | cool | 16:45 |
| nemo | I'll give that a shot | 16:45 |
| nemo | lemme dig up the laptop | 16:45 |
| mac_v | nemo: add that to the gtkdc of the theme | 16:45 |
| mac_v | gtkrc* | 16:46 |
| ckontros | AFAIK, you cant bet below 21 without going to a 8px font, editing the gtkrc or changing the icons. Which you have done. | 16:47 |
| nemo | well. of the 3, gtkrc is tidier. | 16:47 |
| mac_v | yup , i dont think you can without having smaller font ;) | 16:47 |
| nemo | although the .icons has advantage of being user specific | 16:47 |
| ckontros | But forcing that icon size with do it for everything in the panel or panel menu I believe. | 16:47 |
| nemo | oh. hum | 16:47 |
| nemo | ckontros: that would make icons smaller than 16 increase in size? | 16:48 |
| mac_v | nemo: AFAIK , you need to force for every applet on the panel | 16:48 |
| mac_v | the messaging menu uses a 22px icon | 16:48 |
| mac_v | there is not 16px icon size for that | 16:48 |
| mac_v | no* | 16:49 |
| ckontros | mac_v: I /think/ it can be panel-global or app-specific. Can't remember. | 16:49 |
| nemo | http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt - my overkill symlinks | 16:53 |
| nemo | ok. now to try the gtkrc suggestion | 16:53 |
| nemo | will move .icons somewhere | 16:53 |
| nemo | mac_v: where would I put gtk-icon-sizes ? | 16:56 |
| nemo | oh wait | 16:56 |
| nemo | I already did that | 16:56 |
| nemo | it didn't work | 16:56 |
| mac_v | nemo: is the theme in the .icons or in usr/share? [just taking a wild guess , since that option works when human theme uses it] | 16:57 |
| nemo | $ grep -Ev "^[[:space:]]*$|^[[:space:]]*#" .gtkrc-2.0 | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-menu=16,16" | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-button=16,16" | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-small-toolbar=16,16" | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-large-toolbar=16,16" | 16:57 |
| mac_v | .themes* | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-dnd=16,16" #don't know | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-dialog=16,16" #don't know | 16:57 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes="panel-menu=16,16:gtk-large-toolbar=20,20" | 16:57 |
| nemo | I've always had those in there | 16:57 |
| nemo | but I still need to do the ~/.icons thing | 16:58 |
| mac_v | nemo: hmm , what .icons thing? | 16:58 |
| nemo | hm. also my font size *is* 8! | 16:58 |
| nemo | how odd | 16:58 |
| mac_v | lol | 16:58 |
| nemo | mac_v: the symlink thing I referenced above | 16:58 |
| nemo | ok. so I'm clearly comfortable at 8. hmmm | 16:58 |
| nemo | so why does it work for you, but not for me | 16:58 |
| ckontros | Maybe you have things in your gtkrc messing with it? | 16:59 |
| nemo | ckontros: that's my entire gtkrc above | 16:59 |
| nemo | um. I can send you the theme gtkrc as well I guess | 16:59 |
| ckontros | No need. | 16:59 |
| nemo | (as opposed to user) | 16:59 |
| nemo | I see nothing in the Humanity gtkrc that seems likely - I did reduce the widths of things, I certainly didn't increase anything | 17:00 |
| nemo | anyway. I'm not the only one to resort to this :) | 17:00 |
| nemo | but it works ok. just a bit convoluted | 17:00 |
| nemo | I guess what would be a timesaver would be a "small display" theme :) | 17:01 |
| mac_v | nemo: in the *human* gtkrc it is in line 8 | 17:01 |
| nemo | one that tightens everything up | 17:01 |
| nemo | gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24:gtk-button=16,16" | 17:02 |
| nemo | that one? | 17:02 |
| mac_v | yup , | 17:02 |
| mac_v | but that was for 24,24 , so i gave you a 16,16 ;) | 17:02 |
| nemo | huh. that should have been overridden by my gtkrc personal | 17:02 |
| nemo | riiight | 17:02 |
| nemo | but my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 should specify the 16x16 override I pasted above | 17:02 |
| mac_v | nemo: check if there is anything in the gconf[panel options] , which forces any size | 17:03 |
| nemo | oh. and I'm using DarkRoom right now which has no such line | 17:03 |
| nemo | there is a default size of 24 - however I don't think that would force it since it clearly honours my resizing ... once I smack down start-here | 17:05 |
| mac_v | nemo: i thought you mentioned that you used a gtkrc ? oh ! so you didnt use it as a theme? | 17:05 |
| nemo | mac_v: I modified my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 - but I also modified the DarkRoom theme to tighten up scrollbars and such on that theme | 17:05 |
| nemo | no one else seems to like DarkRoom, so it only impacts me really :) | 17:05 |
| nemo | the grep above is from .gtkrc-2.0 - that's why I pasted the grep line :) | 17:06 |
| mac_v | ah , ok | 17:06 |
| nemo | current top panel size in gconf is set to 19 | 17:06 |
| nemo | I'm pretty sure if I measure it it will actually be 20 | 17:06 |
| nemo | due to other things getting in the way | 17:06 |
| nemo | btw, another annoying aspect of the start-here thing | 17:07 |
| nemo | if a user decides to reduce their panel from 24 to 19, they then discover gnome will spawn apps underneath the menu bar | 17:07 |
| nemo | which it now thinks is only 19px high | 17:07 |
| mac_v | nemo: i think the best for you is to use the autohide ;) | 17:08 |
| nemo | hm. it is 19px high | 17:08 |
| nemo | mac_v: naw. I like seeing my system stats | 17:08 |
| nemo | I interact w/ top bar too often to want autohide | 17:08 |
| nemo | actually, I've always found autohides annoying. dunno why | 17:08 |
| mac_v | nemo: you can force the autohide size to 16px | 17:08 |
| nemo | maybe 'cause they pop out at me when I least expect it just 'cause I moved my mouse wrong | 17:09 |
| nemo | hmmm | 17:09 |
| nemo | so it would only peek out a bit? | 17:09 |
| mac_v | nemo: so on autohide 16px willstill be displayed | 17:09 |
| nemo | I might still be able to read my stuff then | 17:09 |
| nemo | but then it would jitter. | 17:09 |
| nemo | well. I'll play w/ it. 19px works well enough. Maybe I'll whip up a script for the poor souls on the ubuntu forum in same situation | 17:10 |
| mac_v | nemo: set the delay to very long | 17:10 |
| ckontros | In gconf: /apps/panel/toplevels/top_panel_screen0/auto_hide_size | 17:10 |
| * nemo tries | 17:10 | |
| mac_v | nemo: set autohide delays it to 1 min or something , that way it wont move easily | 17:10 |
| nemo | 16, oddly, doesn't look like 16 | 17:10 |
| nemo | everything is chopped in half | 17:10 |
| nemo | hm | 17:10 |
| nemo | maybe 8 | 17:11 |
| nemo | interesting. 16 or 8 do exactly the same thing | 17:11 |
| nemo | ditto 24 | 17:11 |
| nemo | ok. autosize is not working as expected :) | 17:11 |
| nemo | 1-9 work | 17:12 |
| nemo | above 9 the values are ignored | 17:12 |
| nemo | meh. no biggie. 19px is ok as noted. | 17:13 |
| nemo | I was just more curious about the SVGs and brought this nuisance up in passing :) | 17:13 |
| mac_v | nemo: that jimmac article mentions why svg is needed in all sizes | 17:14 |
| nemo | yeah. that makes sense | 17:15 |
| nemo | for small | 17:15 |
| nemo | it was the 48 and 64 I didn't understand | 17:15 |
| * nemo rereads what you said before | 17:15 | |
| nemo | ah. hm | 17:16 |
| nemo | dunno. doesn't seem like it'd matter much. but hey, whatever :) | 17:16 |
| nemo | somehow seems you could get away w/ small and large or just small, medium and large, but you're the artists. | 17:16 |
| mac_v | nemo: well when you are wondering about 19/16 px... why wouldnt 48/64 px matter ;p | 17:17 |
| mac_v | the icons were added just to make the images more sharper | 17:17 |
| mac_v | nemo: also humanity-icon-theme is not very big download , it is nearly as big a human icon theme but has more the 4-5 time the number of icons... so size isnt a problem for us either | 17:19 |
| * mac_v gets back to cursing OOo... #$%#$ | 17:22 | |
| * thorwil has ubuntu-one fail at upload and uses dropbox instead | 21:12 | |
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