[00:03] ok, seriously, this is becoming ridiculous [00:04] dtchen: ? [00:04] just about two of every three "no sound" bugs coming in are caused by people running Jaunty's kernel in Karmic due to some grub-conffile-not-being-updated-properly snafu [00:05] :) [00:05] on one hand, it's pretty simple to script: it just looks mismatched DistroRelease and ProcVersionSignature [00:05] how did that escape beta? [00:05] lol [00:06] dtchen: I've done a dist-upgrade today and didn't see that. Do you have any more information? [00:06] on another, it is really just a waste of my time [00:06] bdmurray: I don't have any more [00:06] but, I can just sling bugs your way [00:06] my gmail account is cluttered with them [00:06] I've seen some of them [00:07] bdmurray: users on 2.6.28 upgradng to karmic don't get grub to boot from 2.6.31 [00:07] that's the result of the bug [00:07] I still don't get why we aren't pushing grub-pc [00:07] when are we expected to upgrade it? next cycle? [00:08] BUGabundo: but not ALL upgraders are hitting it [00:08] BUGabundo: thats whats got bdmurray and i confused. we both upgraded and havent hit it [00:08] let me guess: diferent pockets enabled :) [00:08] s/i/me/ [00:08] I wonder what FS type is being used. [00:09] MsMaco: may I bother you to stick something in the forums shortly? [00:09] sticky* [00:10] aye [00:10] np [00:10] * MsMaco scowls at laptop lid [00:10] stay open! [00:10] dtchen: can i pxe boot a karmic i386 install from your laptop tonight? [00:11] this laptop has to go get fixed and the one i'll be switching the hard drive into cant run the amd64 installed on it and has a broken cd drive :( [00:11] humm [00:11] that reminds me [00:11] we should have a *really* easy to install from PXE [00:12] like an image that boot as server [00:12] or a easy to setup service on a lan pc :) [00:15] MsMaco: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8201048#post8201048 [00:15] MsMaco: thanks, and sure [00:16] BUGabundo: it turns out it is easy. dtchen did it in like 5 minutes last time i had to install on that laptop [00:16] dtchen: stuck [00:16] MsMaco: sure its easy for advanced users [00:17] BUGabundo: i got the impression it was like 3 commands or so [00:17] dtchen: no wonder people still think youre a core-dev. your forum banner still says "ubuntu developer" [00:17] thanks [00:17] that banner was only added this cycle IIRC [00:18] timing for everything seems to be abysmal [00:18] ehe [00:18] anyhow, I really don't feel like spending my Friday night telling everyone to reboot into Karmic's kernel, but I'll end up doing it. [00:18] dtchen: had to look up IIRC.... i feel i've been around here forever but never long enough [00:20] <--- convo killer [00:22] bcurtiswx: install bsd-games and then you can get the wtf program. type "wtf iirc" in a terminal and itll define it for you :P [00:22] so, Lucid Lynx. Time to start thinking Lucid Milestones in bugs now.. or Karmic-updates? [00:23] both, of course [00:23] if you're lucky, you get bugs all the time, so it really doesn't matter [00:23] MsMaco: i've been on the interwebs for such a long time.. im appalled at myself for not knowing that [00:24] im afraid for empathy and triage once everyone gets their hands on it for Karmic.... [00:24] oh god yeah [00:24] its just too bugy IMO... shouldn't have included it quite yet [00:25] i got it to work once for video chat with wgrant [00:25] on the 3rd try [00:25] keyword: once [00:25] tried to repeat with dholbach the next day...6 tries...gave up [00:26] theres so much work that _needs_ to be done with it... all I can do is push ideas(bugs) their way, i don't know GTK+ to be helpful with patching etc.. [00:26] MsMaco: even with the version in karmic-proposed? [00:27] this was a week ago [00:27] * MsMaco checks for updates [00:27] yeah proposed... i got it but didn't check... i wonder if there were lots of bug fixes in it [00:27] well, yes, there are bug fixes [00:27] dtchen: i need to disable proxying through your apt-cacher, eh? [00:28] MsMaco: well, I have it cached *here* [00:28] you probably can't punch through the firewall, though [00:28] wow.. lucid toolchain uploaded already.. [00:28] dtchen: ok so yes [00:28] didnt know if youleft that laptop here and took the netbook with you :P [00:29] I hate netbooks [00:29] if it isn't "please actually boot into Karmic's kernel", it's "please install linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic and reboot" [00:30] bcurtiswx: *already* ?? [00:30] however, that's a good thing -- I can easily be replaced by a robot! [00:30] probably not.. i just see lucid in http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=empathy [00:30] * BUGabundo backups apt sources [00:31] dtchen: actually thats a good idea.... [00:31] jussi01: can ubottu be taught to tell people to run "sudo update-grub" if they dist-upgraded and lost sound? [00:31] MsMaco: that would make an interesting installfest.... [00:31] MsMaco: err [00:31] hi, i did my first bug report 4 days ago about a sound card problem on my notebook with ubuntu 9.10. there was no reaction to it on launchpad. is there any way to speed up the fixing process. i would to help a bit more on fixing it, but i m just a normal user. [00:31] that might not be a good bot-toid [00:32] bcurtiswx - that doesn't mean anything - the lucid version there was just pocket copied from karmic-proposed [00:32] oh geez. [00:32] but yes, the toolchain is nearly uploaded [00:32] * bcurtiswx beats up packages.ubuntu.com [00:32] hahahaha [00:32] mastermolch: which bug number? [00:32] mastermolch: any chance you upgraded from jaunty to karmic? [00:32] 462283 [00:32] chrisccoulson: didn't waste any time [00:33] it is a fresh installation of karmic [00:34] mastermolch: neither of them will be addressed immediately, as fixes require rather invasive changes to linux and pulseaudio. [00:34] mastermolch: your non-stereo profile symptom is a dupe; search Launchpad. [00:35] mastermolch: in other words, look for fixes in 10.04 LTS, not 9.10. [00:36] a dupe? you mean the reason is somewhere else? [00:36] mastermolch: sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news. [00:36] mastermolch: no, I'm saying that your non-stereo profile badness symptom has been reported about a half-dozen times before. [00:36] mastermolch: dupe = duplicate [00:36] it is ok, but i would like it to use it in april again :D [00:37] ok [00:37] mastermolch: we'll likely have staging versions in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA [00:38] i disabled pulseaudio in 9.04 and used alsa alone, but 9.10 has no guis for alsa now [00:38] it is not as easy to use alsa only now [00:38] it's still quite straightforward [00:38] create an ~/.asoundrc that re-redefines pcm.default and ctl.default [00:39] or, rm /usr/share/alsa/pulse.conf [00:39] ok, i will read about it in the wiki again [00:39] disable autospawn, etc. [00:42] ok, the 5.1 problem is not so hard for me, i use my headphones most time, so stereo is ok now, 5.1 is like a nice option for me on this computer [00:42] i just wondered why it behaves that strange [00:42] 99% certain it's just mixer settings [00:43] of course it'll end up being "well, alsa shouldn't be doing that" [00:43] are you ranting to yoursef again [00:43] ? [00:43] who's ranting? [00:44] * bcurtiswx agrees with MsMaco [00:45] * BUGabundo is confused with MsMaco new nick [00:45] would you prefer /nick maco_isnt_using_quassel ? [00:46] ok, can you have a look to another bug i reported this week? [00:46] number: 462921 [00:46] maybe they need more information? [00:46] i prefer /nick maco_isnt_using_quassel_so_bugabundo_should_stop_asking_questions [00:47] bug 462921 [00:47] Launchpad bug 462921 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945GM] OpenGL problems on "Samsung Q25 Ruby" Notebook with i945GM graphics with Ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462921 [00:47] oh i have a 945 here... [00:47] i tried to use audacity yesterday, recording worked, but the playback was stuttering in the first seconds and audacity had a freeze later [00:48] bcurtiswx: I didn't make a Q [00:48] i wonder a bit if this is connected to the other problem [00:48] BUGabundo: not yet.. :P [00:48] maybe it is a chipset problem and not a graphics problem [00:48] or i dont know [00:48] i just wondered if my bug report is right this wax [00:48] way [00:49] mastermolch: 462921 is fine; it has already been marked Confirmed. Just hang tight, please. [00:49] We all appreciate your enthusiasm, but things are pretty hectic the week of release. [00:50] yes sure, i forgot a bit :) i use karmic for 2 weeks now for testing. [00:50] but you are right [00:51] so when can we upgrade to lucid? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:52] it already exists (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/) [00:57] * BUGabundo claps hands [01:04] yeah but there arent repos for it :P [01:09] I'll just add it to sources [01:09] once stuff comes porign in I'll get ut :) [01:09] *it [02:23] anyone knows a way to find a method in a set of files? [04:08] dtchen: not to beat a dead horse down or anything... but would you know why my sounds not working right now? [04:09] bcurtiswx: boot into a karmic kernel [04:09] does it not do that by default? [04:12] lifeless: im in a karmic kernel... no sound [04:14] ah ha [04:14] its muted in a weird way [04:18] bcurtiswx: as in zero/muted at login? [04:19] yeah [04:19] dtchen: ^^ [04:20] that's probably the PA bug we've been chasing [04:20] dtchen: alrightie [04:20] seems there's a regression in the move from module-volume-restore -> module-stream-restore [04:21] from all accounts a race -- need to inspect it later [04:21] ah, ok.. gl! [04:44] someone seems to have a problem with some libraries not binding properly in bug 464734. User should probably run ldconfig, but is there anything else to look for? [04:44] Launchpad bug 464734 in software-center "Ubuntu Software Center crashes on launch with ImportError in ()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464734 [07:20] ok I seen a flaw in Karmic it is in the mouse orientation to switch right to left handed doesnt work [07:21] ok I seen a flaw in Karmic it is in the mouse orientation to switch right to left handed doesnt work [08:42] <^arky^> Hi, Anyone seen these ALSA underrun and wake errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304936/ [09:25] <^arky^> Is launchpad down, getting a lot of timeout errrors? [09:57] Can anyone confirm the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/466299 [09:58] Launchpad bug 466299 in firefox-3.5 "favicons are absent in "Bookmarks Toolbar"" [Undecided,New] [10:03] favicons working for me [10:04] have been updating since alpha 6 [10:07] broken in vm install of the ubuntu rc [10:19] ikt: seems as though not a lot of people have noticed this bug because they've upgraded and not fresh installed the final. [10:32] the bug is present on the gold relase [11:26] hello [11:26] there are multiple bugs related to libsdl-alsa , does anyone see a problem on settimg them as duplicates ? [12:32] Boo [12:34] hi all! not sure it`s a bug, but grub2 does not write boot sector to a partition during installation. Can anybody consult me? [13:18] hi, i have upgraded to karmic (dell 1525), and am unable to resume after suspend, is there anything i could do to fix this? [13:21] bala: I got exactly the same laptop (dell inspiron 1525). But I reinstalled Ubuntu instead of upgrading and suspend/resume works fine. [13:22] MrKanister: unfortunately, i am not in a position to reinstall. :( [13:23] bala: Well, if you got a seperate partition for /home/, it would be very easy. If not do a backup, reinstall, and copy back the content to /home/ [13:26] MrKanister: thanks. i will keep that in mind. meanwhile, i will try to look for something that wouldn't take as much time. if i can't find one, i will follow your way. [13:26] MrKanister: but do you have any guess on what could have gone wrong? [13:27] bala: hm, as far as I know, suspend/resume has only to do with the kernel and the regarding drivers [13:28] bala: Maybe you can post your problem in a forum and attach them your dmesg-log ("dmesg > log.txt") in a terminal [13:28] MrKanister: yup. unfortunately, my kde doesn't show options to shutdown and reboot anymore! [14:13] For some reason running ubuntu in karmic disables 'DeviceKit' suspend functionallity. Can someone confirm this for me using the following python script? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2416123/test_suspend.py [14:14] oops [14:14] I meant running karmic in virtualbox [14:21] It used to work in karmic beta. And I haven't seen anything in the virtualbox changelog which might have caused this. [14:36] no one willing to help? [14:38] i would if i had karmic installed in a virtualbox but i dont :| [14:50] JonyBlaze, yeah I sounded a bit harsh didn't I? [14:50] JonyBlaze, sorry about that [14:56] hey there [14:56] got completely lost trying to fix asus run hotkey (fn+space) after updating to 9.10 [14:57] anyone knows what is this? http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1355/karmicgnomepanel.png [14:57] > ~$ sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/event8 [14:57] scan code: 0x00 key code: screenlock [14:57] scan code: 0x00 key code: 14A [14:57] scan code: 0x00 key code: prog1 [14:57] how I am supposed to assign a keymap to 0x00's ? [14:58] :( [15:00] Sorry, the program "telepathy-butterfly" closed unexpectely [15:01] buggy koala [15:03] caio, looks like a graphical glitch to me [15:05] it appears in the login screen too.. [15:05] very strange and irritating, blinking every time :( [15:07] caio, are you using a proprietary video driver? [15:09] Sauliusl, are you using somekind of guide? If so, can you give me the url? [15:09] carresmd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting [15:10] carresmd: nvidia... [15:10] and /usr/share/doc/udev/README.keymap.txt [15:11] caio, can you check if it happens without using the proprietary driver? [15:13] Sauliusl, what is fn+space supposed to do? [15:14] I don't actually remember, though it has a running man symbol, so I call it "run" key [15:14] though that is not screenlock [15:14] at all [15:15] Sauliusl, so currently if you press fn+space it locks your screen? [15:15] the keypress event gets detected by acpi_listen, by lshal-m, [15:15] xev lists it as keymapNotify and the keymap -i shows all multimedia key scan codes 0x00 [15:16] yes it does [15:16] unless i kill gnome-screensaver [15:18] the key did not work at all at jaunty, though i was able to easily patch it adding script to acpi/events [15:18] though now, when I do that it executes both: my script, and the lock screen binding [15:20] Sauliusl, what does '$ grep -ir screenlock /lib/udev/keymaps/' outpyt? [15:20] !paste | Sauliusl [15:20] Sauliusl: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com (or !pastebinit for CLI) | For pasting !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin Please give us the URLs for your posts! [15:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/305982/ [15:23] I still wonder why all multimedia keys have the same scancode, but different assigments to them (and they actually work) [15:23] Sauliusl, they all are 0x00? [15:23] yes [15:23] Sauliusl, missed that [15:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/305986/ that is weird [15:25] isnt it? [15:26] yeah, it isn't supposed to be like that [15:27] and the keymap's dump for input/event8 [15:27] contains only a single line: ### evdev 1.0.0., driver 'Asus Laptop extra buttons' [15:28] what is you change 'input/event8' to 'input/event' replace with a number ^^. Check which are available via '$ ls -l /dev/input/' [15:29] input/event4 is for regular keyboard keys [15:29] input/event8 is for multimedia [15:29] event4 does not detect the multimedia, nor event8 detects regular keypresses [15:29] Sauliusl, hmm didn't know that :-) [15:30] :) [15:31] input/event4 is for multimedia keys on my machine :S [15:31] i guess you're not on asus, are you? [15:31] true [15:32] i think I should submit this into tracker [15:32] though i am not sure where the problem is exactly so dont know which package to add the bug to [15:33] probably udev [15:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/udev-extras/+bugs [15:34] why is launchpad so slow? [15:34] There are currently no open bugs. [15:34] thats awesome :D [15:35] lol [15:35] Udev extras does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker. [15:35] it isn't slow for me [15:35] hah [15:35] no I saw it [15:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev-extras [15:45] Ooopss! Sauliusl, don't report it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev-extras .. it's old [15:45] :D [15:45] ha [15:45] if you haven't already done so, report it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev :-) [15:46] alright [17:09] 9.10 Samba bug - invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed....can anyone help? [17:13] that's insufficient info; we need the spew prior [17:17] what does it look like/start with? [17:18] the entire upgrade log? [17:19] how do get you the entire log? === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [17:21] I presume you didn't use apport-bug/ubuntu-bug? [17:22] if not, see /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/dpkg.log [17:32] Log started: 2009-10-31 13:19:02 [17:32] Selecting previously deselected package samba. [17:32] (Reading database ... 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[17:32] Setting up samba (2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5) ... [17:33] update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/smbstatus (smbstatus) in auto mode. [17:33] Generating /etc/default/samba... [17:33] * Starting Samba daemons [17:33] ...fail! [17:33] wth! [17:33] invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed. [17:33] dpkg: error processing samba (--configure): [17:33] subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [17:33] Errors were encountered while processing: [17:33] samba [17:33] Log ended: 2009-10-31 13:19:07 [17:33] mlourenco: pls use pastebin [17:34] what's the syntax for pastebin? [17:34] !pastebin [17:34] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [17:36] how do i send a msg directly to a user like you did :mac_v [17:36] mlourenco: not needed again , but for future reference [17:37] mlourenco: hmm? what msg directly? i didnt message anything :) [17:37] oh you mean this > ? mlourenco: pls use pastebin [17:38] yes [17:38] type the initial letter of the username and use tab key for auto completion , like for your name i just use "mlo" +tabkey [17:39] mac_v, testing [17:39] thats it :) [17:39] thx! [17:40] dtchen, 2009-10-31 13:19:02 startup archives unpack [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:02 install samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:02 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending man-db 2.5.6-2 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status triggers-pending sreadahead 1.0-5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-installed samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:40] mlourenco: pls use pastebin! [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 trigproc man-db 2.5.6-2 2.5.6-2 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-configured man-db 2.5.6-2 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status installed man-db 2.5.6-2 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 trigproc ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1 0.29-4ubuntu1 [17:40] mlourenco: not copy paste lines here! [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:03 status half-configured ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status installed ufw 0.29-4ubuntu1 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:04 trigproc sreadahead 1.0-5 1.0-5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status half-configured sreadahead 1.0-5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:04 status installed sreadahead 1.0-5 [17:40] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 startup packages configure [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 configure samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] !ops [17:41] Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status unpacked samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 status half-configured samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:05 update-alternatives: link group smbstatus updated to point to /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:06 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:07 startup packages configure [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:07 configure samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:07 status half-configured samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5 [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:07 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz [17:41] 2009-10-31 13:19:08 update-alternatives: run with --install /usr/bin/smbstatus smbstatus /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 10 --slave /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.1.gz smbstatus.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/smbstatus.samba3.1.gz [17:41] !pastebin [17:41] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [17:42] mlourenco: pls do *not* paste multiple lines in the channel , use pastebin if someone has saked for information [17:43] asked for* [17:45] dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/306073/ [17:46] sorry, I'm busy debugging another sound issue ATM, will look in ~30 minutes [17:48] dtchen, no problem. [18:02] is there a Thibault DUPUIS present? [18:03] ok, so more info for people triaging audio bugs: [18:03] if you see that a reporter's symptoms are resolved by installing linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic, please make the following changes to the bug report: [18:03] Change the affected source package to linux, and mark it Fix Committed with Importance Low [18:03] Add a linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 task, and mark it Fix Released [18:03] thanks! [18:04] (if you have a burning question and I'm not responding, contact maco/MsMaco, and she can relay it) [18:06] how can i relay it? you're not home! [18:06] dtchen: ^ [18:07] dtchen, that should be added to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting [18:22] dtchen, is the alsa from linux-backports expected to fix problems when there is no sound with PA running, but plays fine without PA ? [18:31] joaopinto: no, it isn't [18:32] hum ok :\ [18:32] any hints ? [18:32] joaopinto: it's limited to specific hardware (namely, Realtek and IDT/Sigmatel HDA codecs) [18:32] MsMaco: you can SMS [18:32] how does pulseaudio interfere in such a way that there is no sound playback when ALSA plays just fine ? [18:33] dtchen: ohok [18:34] joaopinto: PA has its own set of mixer profiles. [18:35] so in this case is most likely to be a PA bug at the mixer level ? [18:35] joaopinto: and no, the triaging procedure is for people who triage bugs (bugcontrol, etc.) [18:35] in "this" case? [18:35] dtchen, ok [18:35] there is no one catch-all case [18:36] every single bug needs to be evaluated individually [18:36] dtchen, aplay plais fine without PA, no sound with PA [18:36] joaopinto: in that particular set of symptoms, you look at the output from 'amixer' with and without PA running. [18:37] it will report different values ? [18:37] if that doesn't reveal anything, that's a much bigger problem, and you need to use codec debugging, e.g., wiki/ALSA/JackSense [18:37] erm, I am still missing something, does PA contain codec specific code ? isn't that the ALSA level only ? [18:40] it *should* reveal different values [18:40] if it *doesn't*, you have either a linux bug or a hardware bug [18:40] hence my referring to codec debugging [18:40] PA doesn't (and can't) meddle with the codec directly -- everything is proxied through alsa-lib by design [18:42] finally finished triaging this morning's round of 50 "grub didn't update properly" bugs [18:42] erm, an HW bug which is triggered by the PA mixer but not but by ALSA mixer ? [18:42] joaopinto: the PA mixer *is* the ALSA mixer [18:42] joaopinto: there is no difference [18:42] joaopinto: I simply explained every conceivable problem [18:42] dtchen, you mentioned mixing profiles, so there is an extra level of management in PA, regarless if the backend is the alsa mixer [18:43] joaopinto: yes, but the fact that it touches the alsa mixer is the only relevant portion [18:43] dtchen, I am trying to understand this particular scenario, where you have 0 sound with PA, and regular mixed sound without it [18:43] if it works fine w/o PA, then you look at the mixer element settings before and after running PA [18:44] it *should* be obvious which mixer elements have been modified [18:44] if it *isn't*, you have a *serious* codec bug [18:44] some HDA and AC'97 codecs *do* have these sort of bugs -- they will incorrectly cache their codec settings without actually updating upon read [18:45] in that case, the only way to troubleshoot is to require a full powercycle where you wait 2-3 minutes between powering down and powering on to allow the capacitors to drain [18:46] ok, next time i will check the amixer output, tks [18:47] FWIW, for some small percentage of the codecs, you can reset all the pins after completely unloading and reloading the sound driver, but you need hda-analyzer [18:48] so, to summarise: check the amixer settings before and after PA is running (usually prior to gdm's greeter being started) [18:49] ok [18:53] mlourenco: I don't think that pastebin url contains everything I asked for === asac_ is now known as asac [19:03] welp, that's certainly one way to prevent people from filing bugs via the LP web ui. Just OOPS. :-) [19:23] haha [19:32] dtchen: you told me to ask for /boot/grub/grub.cfg on here, but i dont know what to do with it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307155 [19:41] MsMaco: hd0,1 should never be a floppy drive. [19:41] MsMaco: the reporter needs to check her/his bios settings more closely [19:46] So, I'm guessing that I'm one of very, very few people who ran jaunty with a root partition mounted data=ordered? [19:48] dtchen: ok... [19:48] dtchen: im still not sure what to tell them [19:50] not sure if it's new with the karmic version of mount or what, but after upgrade the initial root mount was ro,data=writeback, which mount refuses to remount as rw,data=ordered [19:50] guess what that did when i rebooted my shiny new karmic system [19:52] All better now, I did the manual mount to rw,data=writeback and fixed my fstab. [19:53] I don't see any bugs regarding this and wonder if I should even bother reporting it since it seems nobody else has hit it yet. [19:53] report it, please. [19:54] ubuntu-bug linux, etc. [19:54] then that's what I'll do, thanks [19:55] MsMaco: walk her/him through checking the UUI [19:55] UUID* [19:56] ... [19:56] i dont know how [19:59] man blkid [19:59] thanks [19:59] i assumed itd be one of the uuid* commands but thats not it [20:35] hi [20:37] can someone help me with what package to file a bug report in? [20:39] i get random freezing [20:41] kernel panic, or X freezing? [20:41] if caps lock and num lock and such lights are flashing, its the former. if not, likely the latter [20:41] sometimes the kernel freezes (panicked once) sometimes not [20:41] it's very random :-/ [20:42] i can find no commonality [20:42] thats always fun [20:42] but it started after karmic release [20:42] which has new both... [20:42] been using karmic for months. didn't have this before [20:42] well if you know 1 was a panic, try "ubuntu-bug linux" [20:43] Hi. Do you know how I should report upstream a VIM ? [20:43] ah... found it. [20:43] hi adiroiban [20:44] mcas, not sure i'll be able to run it [20:44] oops [20:44] meant MsMaco [20:44] it looks like the project is vimonline [20:44] tanath: that reports the bug to launchpad.net [20:44] i know [20:44] i mean, if i run it, there's a good chance it'll freeze again [20:46] MsMaco, many apps seems to cause it to freeze (sometimes immediately, sometimes not...) [20:46] particularly gnome apps [20:46] if you do it from a tty it wont launch any gui apps [20:47] that's not true [20:47] i just did, and it ran apport [20:47] and now won't let me cancel [20:47] hmm? [20:47] wait did you do that from a terminal inside X? [20:47] or did you do it from ctrl+alt+f1? [20:47] well, yeah [20:48] because from a tty it should say "hey, i'm not running inside X, so i'll use apport-cli..." [20:48] yeah, it did. it should do the same in a terminal too >.< [20:48] well, that's debatable. nvm [20:49] was annoying that it ignored my persistent clicking of the cancel button though >.< [20:49] yeah.... [20:50] um, vty one says it'll open a web browser... [20:50] does it open w3m? [20:51] not sure that'll work from vty, but if it does, it'd prolly freeze the comp [20:51] not sure i want to find out. my default browser is chrome, and it frequently seems related to freezing [20:52] um, the file it wants to send is 173MB o.O [20:52] *report [20:52] w3m is a text based web browser [20:53] isn't that a bit much? [20:53] ah, i think my default text-based browser is elinks [20:53] sounds like it, yeah... [20:53] which i still don't like that much :P [20:54] 173.4mb [20:54] there is also a way to make a bug report and then upload it on another PC [20:54] oi [20:54] just this one :-/ [20:55] why would it be so big? [20:55] that'll take some time to upload, and it might freeze before it finishes, tbh [20:56] i'm surprised it hasn't frozen yet TBH [20:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20when%20off-line [20:57] yeah, already chose keep [20:58] i was wondering if someone here might be able to help me narrow it down [20:59] i could do a better report if i knew where the problem was [20:59] run memtest overnight? ;) [21:02] oi. i'd like to be able to use my comp sooner than that :P [21:02] but i've run memtest for a while before. i don't think the ram is the issue [21:13] aw hell [21:13] 'something went wrong in launchpad' [21:18] i can't file my bug report [21:18] it keeps saying something went wrong [21:19] mm, trying the redirect disable [21:19] there we go [21:50] 9.10 Samba bug - invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed....can anyone help? [21:51] error happens on the installation. === ebb is now known as ebbeyes [23:01] is there some bug related to upgrading kernel? [23:01] I've seen again problem which was related to running 2.6.28 kernel on 9.10 system [23:02] he has .31 installed but it didn't show up in his menu.lst === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:36] yeah I've seen that as well kklimonda