[01:08] <sistpoty> jdong: mind taking a look at sru bug #405318 (I peer-reviewed the patches during motu-release handling, all look fine and these come from upstream)
[01:08] <sistpoty> (sitting already in -proposed)
[05:02] <jdong> heh, WTF at bug 328089
[05:02] <jdong> why don't we just directly yank obviously broken packages out of the archive?
[05:03] <jdong> I mean, kudos for wanting to fix it the right way (lsb-base)... but until then it's a BOOOM for anyone unfortunate enough to try installing splashy from the repos.
[05:05] <ScottK> jdong: We do when we notice them.
[05:06] <jdong> ScottK: *nods* it's just unfortunate we had so many people looking at the bug and nobody waved the big red flag...
[05:06] <jdong> even some people with the power to pull the plug
[05:06] <ScottK> There's always the SRU to an empty package strategy
[05:07] <jdong> well I'd rather we SRU out the lsb-base-logging.sh file for now or something else that compromises splashy without borking the package manager
[05:07] <jdong> neither synaptic nor the Update Manager handles the case of a half-installed package correctly....
[05:08] <jdong> i.e. by backing out the chain of reverse-deps that caused it to be installed
[05:21] <lifeless> uhm
[05:21] <lifeless> we don't support downgrading
[05:21] <lifeless> thats the most proximate cause
[05:21] <ScottK> Right, but we should support install failing gracefully.
[05:24] <jdong> lifeless: well if I double click splashy in synaptic and mark it for install and hit apply...
[05:24] <jdong> it'll tell me that the package is broken and to look at the broken filter.
[05:24] <jdong> which is... not an intuitive message as to how to make my package manager work again.
[05:24] <jdong> and at that point, update-manager gives equally confusing errors
[05:24] <jdong> and to the end user there's not a readily obvious way to recover
[05:26] <ScottK> Kpackagekit recommends use of a full featured packagemanager like synaptic or aptitude in these situations.
[05:36] <jdong> *nods*
[05:46] <ScottK> Not only is kpackagekit unsuitable as standard package manager for Kubuntu.  It's not clear to me that it actually aspires to be suitable.
[05:48] <jdong> lol that is a hilarious admission of defeat from kpackagekit
[05:54] <lifeless> jdong: file a bug about synaptic bailing in that regard
[08:04] <hyperair> bdmurray: re bug #463974, is there a reason you switched the visibility back to private?
[08:41] <^arky^> Hi, Anyone seen these ALSA underrun and wake errors http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/304936/
[09:33] <hyperair> anyone from motu-sru around? i'd like to get the fix for bug #248392 into karmic if possible
[09:45] <ys___> hi, i need some help with ppas... how can i make a package also compiles on jaunty? it only compiles on karmic and i have to make another release changing the target in the changelog
[09:46] <ys___> thanks :)
[09:49] <lifeless> ys___: thats right
[09:52] <ys___> lifeless, can't i make the same version also compiles on jaunty? i saw this on another ppas, by example https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa/+packages
[09:54] <lifeless> ys___: you can copy from older to newer
[09:55] <ys___> copy from older to newer? i don't understand that
[10:25] <cemc> keyserver.ubuntu.com not working?
[10:25] <cemc> lol, never mind...
[12:31] <sebner> huh bddebian
[12:32] <bddebian> Hi folks
[12:32] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[12:38] <geser> Hi sebner and bddebian
[12:38] <sebner> aloha geser :)
[12:44] <bddebian> Hi geser
[13:03] <monteiro> anyone knows how can i enable GST_DEBUG? I've enabled debug on configure.. but GST_DEBUG never appears.
[14:00] <Shockrates> hello developers. sagemath 4.2 is available in the site, and we still have 3.1 in our repos.
[14:00] <Shockrates> do something
[14:00] <Shockrates> its time to
[14:01] <azeem> Shockrates: it'll be updated in lucid shortly if Debian has the new version
[14:02] <Shockrates> can i get it before lucid gets out?
[14:02] <Shockrates> from backdoors
[14:02] <azeem> which backdoors?
[14:03] <kklimonda> Shockrates, backports? no
[14:03] <kklimonda> backports are done only for packages that are already in the newer ubuntu release
[14:05] <Shockrates> port in greek means door
[14:05] <Shockrates> lol
[14:05] <Shockrates> :D
[14:05] <Shockrates> porta
[14:05] <kklimonda> Shockrates, that's why we are trying to abstain from making language specific jokes here - no one would get them anyway ;)
[14:06] <Shockrates> anyway can someone tell me where the sagemath packages saves the software at?
[14:06] <azeem> Shockrates: "the software"?
[14:06] <kklimonda> what do you mean?
[14:06] <Shockrates> for example if i get the 3.1 package from the repos, where will the binary be saved at
[14:06] <azeem> Shockrates: maybe read the manual
[14:07] <azeem> Shockrates: that's a general Ubuntu question more appropriate in #ubuntu
[14:07] <Shockrates> ok
[14:07] <azeem> i.e. which files are in a package, and what is their path
[16:15] <hedkandi> hi folks, I have installed the new ubuntu so thanks for producing it. I prefer it to windows!
[16:18] <zooko> Hey that's the guy who was complaining about Ubuntu devs not working hard enough the other day, and pissed people off.
[16:18] <zooko> That was nice of him to come back and say "Thank you".
[16:32] <iulian> Heh.
[21:05] <MattJ> A package new in Debian since Karmic will be pulled into universe by default in Lucid?
[21:05] <hyperair> yes
[21:05] <MattJ> Great, thanks :)
[21:05] <hyperair> as long as before freeze
[21:06] <MattJ> It happens automatically though? or do I need to poke people?
[21:06] <sebner> MattJ: automatically
[21:06] <MattJ> Perfect :)
[21:19] <hyperair> poking required only during freeze
[21:32] <randomaction> but it has to be in testing
[21:33] <sebner> randomaction: unstable ..-
[21:33] <randomaction> sebner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[21:34] <sebner> WTH?
[21:34] <sebner> randomaction: at least not with Hardy. We synced there everything with unstable as usual
[21:35] <randomaction> yep, this was added to the page in Sep 2009
[21:36] <sebner> grr
[21:36] <sebner> stupid
[21:36] <randomaction> I guess manual syncs from unstable will be possible
[21:37] <randomaction> but don't know how welcome that'll be
[21:38] <sebner> randomaction: sure they'll be and I'll do many of them welcoming by me a lot ;)
[21:38] <hyperair> heh
[21:38] <sebner> hyperair: btw, what's the roadmap for banshee now?
[21:39] <hyperair> sebner: what roadmap?
[21:39] <sebner> hyperair: ~2.0~
[21:39] <hyperair> 2.0?
[21:39] <hyperair> i don't think i've heard of anything of that sort
[21:39] <hyperair> probably will be a long way down the road
[21:39] <sebner> hyperair: I mean 1.6 of course, sry
[21:40] <hyperair> ah
[21:40] <hyperair> probably will be ready by lucid..
[21:40] <hyperair> or we'll have to rush things again =.=
[21:40] <hyperair> how stressful.
[21:40] <sebner> ack
[21:40] <hyperair> mmhmm