[00:04] Diddleha - in devel, I has no access, kthx. [00:08] sistpoty called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [00:08] ohai. [00:24] hi ... I've done evil by talking to a troll (Diddleha on #ubuntu-devel) [00:25] now he did take the invitation to troll on, even though repeatedly being asked by diverse people to not abuse #ubuntu-devel [00:25] can you help, please? [00:27] sistpoty: It seems that no one with access is online right now, I'll try and ping them [00:27] thanks Flannel! :) [00:28] mneptok: ping [00:28] Oh, you already got the ping, nevermind [00:28] (btw, /me did an exclamation mark ops already in #ubuntu-devel, no response so far, not too sure how your clever scripts will ping people ;)) [00:28] nalioth: Can you take care of it? [00:29] thanks niko [00:30] yes, i just join [00:30] niko: No, he clearly can't. [00:31] geofft called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [00:32] 3/71 [00:36] thanks a lot nalioth for taking care! :) (leaving ubuntu-ops knowing the situation is taken care of) [00:51] Flannel: pong [00:51] mneptok: Thanks, other people took care of it [01:15] bazhang: now what :D [01:16] D3RGPS31, hang on a second [01:20] D3RGPS31, have you read the code of conduct and guidelines [01:20] !coc | D3RGPS31 [01:20] D3RGPS31: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [01:20] !guidelines | D3RGPS31 [01:20] D3RGPS31: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [01:22] bazhang: yes [01:22] D3RGPS31, are you aware why you were banned in #ubuntu ? [01:23] bazhang: yes [01:23] D3RGPS31, and that was? [01:23] bazhang: argueing with multiple ops on the release of 9.10 [01:24] D3RGPS31, the operator who banned is ikonia ; you should speak to him (not certain he is around right now) [01:24] I doubt he is, its late where he is [01:25] right [01:25] >.> [01:25] is there a chance my ban can be lift for afew hours [01:25] D3RGPS31: Why were you arguing with the operators? [01:27] Flannel 9.10 released around 9:00 AM USA:EST my time, i spread the good word to #ubuntu-release-party, #ubuntu-social, and #ubuntu; some argued; i argued; more argued; i continued to argue, then i was banned [01:28] D3RGPS31: You were told a number of times in #ubuntu (and I imagine in -release-party as well) not to give links out until it's actually announced. Why did you continue? [01:28] Seeker`: mesula in #ubuntu-uk... *sigh* [01:29] time for him to leave? [01:29] Flannel: 9:30 USA:EST (took my half an hour to download from the switz. server) [01:29] D3RGPS31: What? [01:29] Seeker`: it would be best for everyone involved, himself included [01:30] drunk ircing is not good for anyone [01:30] o; why [01:31] Flannel: hype; stopped after i read the messege [01:32] D3RGPS31: Which message? [01:32] not to post links in chat [01:33] D3RGPS31: No, I'm actually looking at logs right now where you were told not to post the link, and then you continued to do so. [01:34] didn't read the messege [01:34] D3RGPS31: Are you often in the habit of ignoring lines addressed to you in IRC? [01:35] Flannel: just as often as when the soldier on adrenaline fires his gun without thinking [01:35] is "vbg" a standard part of an ident string for any client? [01:36] sorry, "vdg" [01:37] gord: still around? [01:37] Seeker`: sure [01:37] D3RGPS31: Do you understand why it's important to not only pay attention to things you're told on IRC, but also to be aware of and respect the policies of the channels you're in? [01:38] D3RGPS31: I guarantee the topic of -release-party included a message about not posting links. [01:38] mesula has gone offline. Turberry has just come into the channel, same ircname, same ident in the hostmask, different IP. Same person? [01:38] For instance [01:38] Seeker`: purple is pidgin, no. [01:38] Seeker`: yup [01:39] vdg may mean same person, but purple certainly doesn't [01:39] purple is for the "real name" [01:39] Flannel: you got me there, can't paraphrase that into something about war; but ofcourse i am, since i'm here making a plea [01:40] D3RGPS31: We need people to not post links before its released for a variety of reasons. It makes release faster, it's safer for everyone, lots of people like to claim things are final before they actually are, etc. We have plenty of good reasons to do so, even if you're not aware of all of them. [01:41] deliberate ban evasion is k-line'able, no? [01:41] D3RGPS31: Are you willing to be better about ignoring things in the channel in the future? [01:42] Flannel: 'ignoring things'? [01:42] D3RGPS31: You said you didn't read the line addressed to you about not posting links [01:42] Flannel: ah, got you [01:44] Flannel: quick question; there a link to the code of conduct and ircguidelines in georgian? can't quite understand everything [01:45] I'm not sure, but if you need clarification, I'd be happy to rephrase something for you [01:48] Flannel: never mind; i got it :3 [01:51] Flannel: i'll do my best to read all addressed messages to me [01:51] And follow the guidelines? [01:53] Flannel: i'll follow them to the best of my understand :3 [01:53] D3RGPS31: Don't be shy about asking for clarification [01:54] Flannel: it took me afew moments to get the sarcasm of *Don't use public away messages* [01:55] There's no sarcasm there. [01:56] Flannel: 'Imagine 600 people doing that.' :o [01:57] 600? Try 1600! [01:58] Flannel: sarcasm? xD [01:58] D3RGPS31: Alright, I've gone ahead and removed your ban in #ubuntu. Have a good time, hopefully we won't see you in here for ban resolution again in the future :) [02:00] Flannel: praise be with you :3 [02:08] elky: fun. [02:12] Flannel: turberry1 is turberry/mesula, who was banned this evening from -uk [02:12] yeah, I noticed [02:13] Seeker`: am keeping an eye on him [02:15] * MenZa keeps his eyes on gord [02:15] heh [02:15] * Seeker` keeps his gords on Flannel [02:18] O_O [02:19] * gord keeps his moose, loose, aboot this hooose [02:24] #u so busy :( [02:25] yay, bazhang to the rescue! === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [02:34] its fine to be stupid? [02:35] Is it just me or is ewb pretty unhelpful? [02:36] bazhang? [02:36] MenZa, ewb's comment [02:36] very unhelpful [02:36] huh? [02:36] indeed === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:56] wanhouse is diddleha === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [05:00] diddleha back as dengha [05:07] We should probably update !grub [05:07] MenZa, to what? [05:08] !grub [05:08] GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [05:08] Something about legacy vs. grub2 [05:08] !grub2 [05:08] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [05:09] !grub [05:09] GRUB is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [05:09] So !grub is =~ sed/is the default Ubuntu boot manager/was the default boot manager in Ubuntu until 9.04/ [05:09] Or so. [05:09] And perhaps add 'For Karmic, please see !grub2 [05:10] !grub [05:10] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See also !grub2 for karmic onwards. [05:10] helps if i remember the "no" bit. [05:10] heh [05:10] The problem with the first couple of links is that they are for legacy, and most people are silly and dont read ahead. :[ [05:11] !grub [05:11] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager for releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for karmic onwards. [05:11] \o/ [05:11] that better? [05:13] indeed. :) [05:14] oh, and happy elky day. [05:15] whee! [05:16] between hospital and work, not so happy. at least i'm out now and i can say "was in hospital" not "am in hospital" when my parents ring tonight, which should avoid them landing on my doorstep on the morrow [05:16] hehehe [05:17] nice :) [05:18] also, aforementioned phone conversation will commence with "if you start to lecture me, i will hang up", and will probably still conclude with me hanging up. [05:19] also, i have bruises. i'm hard to bruise, but dammit needles do a good job [05:32] lol [05:32] elky: You should see my right arm when they try to draw blood from that. [05:41] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:41] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:41] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:42] PartyBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [05:43] MenZa, i have a swollen welt/bruise on my right arm from where stupid pathologist gave up looking for vein (read: didn't even try a heat pack) and jabbed the vein the canula was in, an inch above it. had to move the canula to other arm by that evening. [05:45] wow, partybot even gets into it :P [05:45] ...? [05:45] i havent been in -rp this release, for obvious reasons [05:45] dont feel like it right now either [05:45] partybot called the ops [05:45] Join / quit spam in #ubuntu [05:45] Banned 200.217.170.90 so people could at least talk. [05:46] And the floodbots are crapping themselves... [05:46] the mass join was in #ubuntu, that i saw [05:48] @hawk-06.bq4less.com should be watched by staff, IMO [05:49] what's the nick [05:50] "arelbqlar" when last seen [05:50] mneptok: i thought he got klined [05:51] yes, he did get klined [05:51] nalioth: you [05:51] bah [05:51] you'd know better than i [05:51] why are we watching him now? [05:51] he /join'ed just before the flood, and /part'ed just before the first mass /part [05:52] Yeah, I didn't see him /nick to Lazarus or anything. :-) === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [06:45] elky: In the past two years, noone's been able to draw blood from my right arm - and I'm a blood donor :) [07:06] MenZa, tried heat packs and everything? [07:08] elky: they haven't, no [07:08] elky: but it's not a problem, they just tear up my left arm instead. [07:08] i used to be a blood donor, but when they started getting clots instead of blood, i gave up. [07:09] * mneptok cannot donate blood. viral carrier. [07:09] * jussi01 cant be a blood donor anymore... [07:09] :o [07:09] I haven't actually donated any blood yet, I've just had a number of tests taken [07:10] I signed up when I turned 18, shortly after I got glandular fever (six months quarantine), and a couple of months later, I had my appendix removed (another six months quarantine) [07:10] * jussi01 had some strange sickness now they dont want my blood anymore [07:10] pilots are discouraged from giving blood. which is fine by me, I'm highly needle-phobic... [07:10] good call, Madpilot [07:10] Madpilot: really? I hadnt heard that. [07:10] makes sense [07:10] what with how alert pilots need to be [07:10] altitudes and all that too. [07:11] ya, hypoxia/altitude effects and loss of blood - not a good combination [07:11] * jussi01 is part way to becoming a pilot [07:11] even before I started flying I didn't give blood, I'm afraid. needles make me pass out... [07:11] MenZa, heat packs make your veins go skin-wards in an attempt to get rid of the excess heat they dont want. [07:12] I used to be terrible with needles. I'd go really faint and dizzy from them. [07:12] Then I was suspected of having diabetes, and had a craptonne of tests done. [07:12] Since then, no problem. [07:12] a good round of exercise can do the same [07:12] elky: yeah [07:12] MenZa, familiarity breeds contempt, or something? [07:12] Madpilot: heh [07:13] i was hospitalized for 2 months at age 2 with spinal meningitis. that cured any needle phobia. [07:13] I'm utterly gutless around needles, even seeing injections in video gets me ick'd right out [07:13] mneptok: owww. [07:14] Hello, bullgard4. [07:14] Can we help you? [07:14] Okay then. [07:14] apparently not [07:14] MenZa: yeah. it was a stanky affair. [07:14] jussi01, you a student pilot? [07:15] * MenZa did VATSIM at one point. [07:15] at one point all the veins in my arm had collapsed, and they ended up drawing blood by cutting open my ankle. [07:15] owwww [07:15] oof [07:16] Madpilot: kinda, got 20 hours about 5 years ago got chronic fatigue (a short term version thank god) and stopped. when I got better, well... money.... [07:16] I was mildly freaked out at having an IV tap placed in my hand when I had my appendectomy. May have just been because I'd almost just woken up, but it seemed to be less unpleasant than having a regular blood test done :) [07:16] I very barely felt it [07:17] the 'well... money" part sounds far too familiar. been running into that for several years now trying to get flight training completed and be actually employable... [07:17] so i'm a perfect candidate for blood donorship, as needles and i have no quarrel. but my HSV1 with ocular herpetic keratitis pathology makes me an unsuitable donor [07:18] * MenZa is 0+, they love him at the blood clinic. [07:18] well, bank. [07:18] i forget what type i am, and Google isn't helping. [07:19] (A|B|AB|0)(+|-) [07:19] :P [07:20] O- [07:20] bazhang needs to donate blood. [07:20] universal donor, man! [07:20] I'm A+ [07:20] What a useless blood type! [07:20] thought I was the worst at getting blood though [07:20] Pretty common in Aus? [07:20] btw, i'm glad to see that the release announcement made it to The Fridge. [07:20] heh [07:20] bazhang: Anyone can benefit from your blood :) [07:21] _anyone_ [07:21] MenZa, well yeah. it's the most in-demand type, yet proportionally the least donated, because it's assumed so common. [07:21] MenZa: vampires say A+ is wintergreen flavored. very useful if you just had the AB+ with hot sauce. [07:22] elky: Well, A+/- and 0+/- could donate to it [07:22] elky: So that's not too bad [07:22] You're screwed if you're 0- [07:22] Well, probably not *screwed*, but it's the most selective type. [07:22] i believe dad is 0+ [07:22] yep :/ [07:22] bazhang: Oh, I assume they keep it stocked up and use it as a last resort :) [07:23] MenZa, like I trust the blood supply here :( [07:23] MenZa: (AB?|B|O)(+|-) [07:23] or I guess that latter could be [-+] [07:24] Flannel: I don't do regexes >( [07:24] >:( [07:26] and actually, rarities of blood is highly dependant on what continent/ethnicity you're on/around [07:26] certainly [07:26] I wrote a report about this once. [07:26] US is different than AUS, etc [07:26] Well, genetics. I touched upon the geographical issue with a pretty figure. [07:26] * elky wonders why she's still at work, and goes home [07:26] :D [07:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type#ABO_and_Rh_distribution_by_country [07:27] since, we're all very interested in quantitative data [07:28] mmmmm data [07:28] I believe I even included that table in my report [07:29] I did indeed! [07:29] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/333917/08-02-05-report_blood_types.pdf <- For anyone mildly curious. [10:36] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [10:57] mmm [10:57] dist-upgraded jaunty to karmic [10:57] broken. [10:57] vox: You didn't literally apt-get dist-upgrade, I hope. [10:59] well update-manager has never worked on this install, so i didnt have alot of choice [11:00] You could have used do-release-upgrade [11:00] dist-upgrades *will* break unless you really know what you are doing. [11:01] eh im not concerned [11:01] i was 85% sure it would break [11:01] was looking for an excuse to reinstall with ext4 anyway :P [11:03] Aha. [11:13] happy birthday elky. hope you feel better :) [11:14] much better than thursday [11:14] better even than i have for about a week now that i think of it, tbh [11:15] well, better than i have for *weeks* since all the tooth pain i was having is gone now too, and was probably the infection gearing up [11:16] elky: thats good. hope things continue to improve. [11:30] substantial trolling in #ubuntu [11:30] multiple [11:30] nod [11:33] sigh [11:33] I'll message bodsa [11:33] whoops poor bodsda [11:33] heh [11:34] done [11:35] psinetic seems to be pushing it on nicknames [11:35] yes [11:35] he's done this before [11:35] (not nicks but just pushed the limits) [11:36] true [11:36] he means well [11:36] not sure about that [11:37] i've spoken to him a few time in private [11:37] one on one he can be reasonable [11:38] one on one most -ot people can be reasonable. it's when we let them talk to each other that problems happen ;) [11:38] hehe [11:38] elky, +10 [11:38] touche` [11:38] In #ubuntu, siva said: ubottu : the message is : "Package operation failed. The installation or removal of a software package failed. details : E:I wasnt able to locate file for the adobe-flashplugin package" [11:39] ubottu: tell siva about bot [11:43] Is there a Firefox search extension to search LP? [11:43] yes [11:43] bazhang: linkki? [11:44] just a second jussi01 [11:47] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8388?src=api [11:48] only English and German currently, will also do ubuntuforums and dozens other [11:48] bazhang: and thatll search LP? like bug and stuff? [11:50] just running it now jussi01 (odd, but had it in last release but cant find that one) [11:53] nope its different [11:54] its still pretty cool though, lots of sub-menus , but not directly what you were asking for jussi01 [12:02] BlouBlou called the ops in #ubuntu (a_n_o_n_) [12:04] hey, a_n_o_n_ joined again in #ubuntu [12:04] thanks [12:05] no problem, ;) [12:13] <^Anonymous> HELLO!? [12:13] <^Anonymous> Why can't I talk un #ubuntu [12:13] I suspect you were banned [12:13] <^Anonymous> ? [12:13] <^Anonymous> <^Anonymous> Hello? [12:13] <^Anonymous> #ubuntu Cannot send to channel [12:13] <^Anonymous> Whats this mean [12:14] <^Anonymous> Why sould I of been bannee [12:14] <^Anonymous> d [12:15] <^Anonymous> I was asking for help [12:17] you were being annoying [12:17] <^Anonymous> I was? why? [12:17] I have no idea why [12:17] <^Anonymous> Who told you that? [12:17] I looked at the logs [12:18] <^Anonymous> Can you unban me? [12:18] <^Anonymous> they didnt awnser my question [12:18] you were asked to stop what you were doing several times [12:18] ^Anonymous, PMing us until you discuss it further here is not going to help anything. [12:18] <^Anonymous> What was I doing wrong? [12:19] <^Anonymous> What kind of help is it if people ban me for asking? [12:20] <^Anonymous> Fine then. [12:20] drat. [12:20] impatient brat [12:21] i'm dist-upgrading, firefox isn't loading bantracker [12:22] phixxor called the ops in #ubuntu (Seeker`) [12:22] is it a full moon? [12:23] vox, this is relatively tame for just a few days after release [12:23] point [13:58] thought mdeonte was montel edwards bot [14:12] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:12] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:12] FloodBotK2 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:12] PartyBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [14:21] !sound-#kubuntu [14:21] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [14:21] ideas on fixing that? [14:49] jussi01: I dunno. KMenu -> System Settings -> Multimedia just gives me a list of sound cards with Pulseaudio at the bottom of the list... maybe 's/first.*fails,//g' ? [14:54] ryanakca: we dont ship/use arts anymore [14:54] jussi01: *nod* [14:55] Hence my suggestion to remove that section of the blurb :) [14:56] please check Dr_Willis his reply to me in #ubuntu [14:56] :/ [15:35] In ubottu, erUSUL said: newgdm is Karmic's GDM has been totally rewritten so there is no (graphical) way yet to cahnge its theme and other options. [18:02] In #ubuntu-offtopic, LjL said: !intel =~ s/9.04 has/9.04 and 9.10 have/ [19:18] mesula seems familiar [19:28] __mikem called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [19:30] !newgdm [19:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about newgdm [19:48] bazhang: Yes. He was banned a few days ago somewhere. [19:51] where is/was mesula? [20:02] In ubottu, Jordan_U said: grub15 is Getting grub error 15 after upgrading to grub2? You probably forgot to mark a drive to install to during the upgrade, to get grub2 working follow: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide [20:04] FYI montel is back and bothering the #ubuntu-beginners folks [20:10] Could someone add !grub15 to ubottu? It's a problem I have been seeing a lot and googling "grub error 15" doesn't give any usefull information so people experiencing this problem are somewhat up the creek trying to solve it. [20:37] Uh... did ajavid do anything recently? [20:38] He's in the BT from june, but I just got a query from him seemingly randomly [20:47] Could someone add !grub15 to ubottu? It's a problem I have been seeing a lot and googling "grub error 15" doesn't give any usefull information so people experiencing this problem are somewhat up the creek trying to solve it. [20:49] Jordan_U: there is no need to repeat [21:04] Jordan_U: do you have a factoid suggestion for it? [21:11] Howdy guntbert, How can we help you today? [21:11] Hi, yesterday I made a proposal for a keyserver factoid - anything wrong with it? [21:12] Flannel: because sometimes the ubuntu keyserver is really unresponsive [21:17] guntbert: care to repeat it? [21:17] !keyserver [21:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about keyserver [21:18] jrib: In ubottu, guntbert said: !keyserver is The ubuntu key server is to be found at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com. If this one is unresponsive you can use most other gpg key servers as well - for instance http://pgp.mit.edu/ [21:18] !keyserver is The ubuntu key server is to be found at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com. If this one is unresponsive you can use most other gpg key servers as well - for instance http://pgp.mit.edu/ [21:18] I'll remember that, jrib [21:19] guntbert: thanks [21:19] I've seen that issue crop up a few times [21:19] jrib: so did I :-) [21:19] !keyserver [21:19] The ubuntu key server is to be found at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com. If this one is unresponsive you can use most other gpg key servers as well - for instance http://pgp.mit.edu/ [21:20] bye - and thx for your support [21:20] Maybe should link to GnuPG wikipage as well [21:22] Mmmm, if the GPG wikipage wasn't so monolithic... [22:03] Sorry, I'm having problems with my DSL connection so I didn't know if my first message came through [22:04] Flannel: I sent a suggestion for !grub15 to ubottu, should I send it again? [22:04] Jordan_U__: no [22:12] ubottu seems to be either under heavy load or asleep :) [22:12] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [23:41] In ubottu, buggyboy said: that is just the point it opens up the msttcorefontinstaller that searches for a file that can't be found anymore on any of the programed FTP sites ... === Sphinx is now known as Sphinx_away [23:50] Sphinx_away, how can we help you [23:58] Howdy derek_smart, How can we help you today? [23:58] i was banned yesterday for 24 hours at around 4 pm venezuelan time [23:59] its 7:30 pm over here [23:59] derek_smart: alright, let me take a look