[00:12] <dannyboy1121> Just onelast general question. I was surprised to see in Citrix Xenserver that there was no direct installation candidate for Ubuntu Server. Is anyone aware if this is likely to change?
[00:16] <foxbuntu> dannyboy1121, iirc, Xen was dropped in favor of KVM, so no
[00:32] <dannyboy1121> many thanks
[01:10] <sven_oostenbrink> I have a 9.04 server, which I want to upgrade to 9.10.. How can I do that?
[01:18] <zash> sven_oostenbrink: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading -> Network Upgrade for Ubuntu Servers
[01:20] <zash> I wonder if/when to upgrade my hardy server
[01:24] <qman__> zash, about 7 months from now ;)
[01:24] <ruben23> hi what is the boatloader of ubuntu server..?
[01:24] <qman__> ruben23, grub
[01:24] <ruben23> grub or lilo
[01:24] <ruben23> cant find grub.conf
[01:24] <qman__> 9.10 uses grub2
[01:25] <zash> qman__: yeah, too bad 10.04 won't be called llama :(
[01:25] <ruben23> qman__: 8.04 im using
[01:26] <ruben23> how do i find it, grub.conf
[01:26] <qman__> ruben23, the config file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:26] <qman__> some systems use grub.conf, ubuntu uses menu.lst
[01:26] <qman__> same file
[01:29] <ruben23> qman__: thanks
[01:40] <clusty> hey
[01:40] <clusty> i am tryign to enable mod_rewrite in 9.04
[01:41] <clusty> i am getting this when i try to start apache:http://pastebin.com/m6f4e4217
[01:41] <clusty> clues?
[01:43] <ruben23> hi anyone have idea of this error on my updates...? ----->http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php
[01:47] <qman__> clusty, sudo a2enmod rewrite
[01:48] <qman__> undo whatever change you made first
[01:48] <ruben23> hi
[01:48] <ruben23> any idea of the error on updates
[01:48] <qman__> ruben23, you didn't link to your paste
[01:49] <qman__> you linked to the main site
[01:49] <ruben23> qman__:how do i correct it..
[01:50] <qman__> ruben23, link to your paste
[01:50] <ruben23> qman__: what you mean paste..?
[01:50] <ruben23> sorry
[01:50] <qman__> ruben23, look at the link you gave, it isn't the right link
[01:51] <ruben23> qman__: how do i link to my paste
[01:52] <zzz2009> I am setting up a server, I had used Fedora, but decided to try Ubuntu.
[01:52] <zzz2009> I am setting up the DNS as the first service, could somebody expain the rational behind the ubuntu/debian bind 9 configuration?
[01:52] <zzz2009> why isn't bind chrooted? why the, to me, odd division of conf files? TIA Josh
[01:52] <qman__> ruben23, copy the correct URL, with the random bit at the end, such as clusty just did
[01:53] <qman__> jla, ubuntu relies on apparmor instead of chrooting
[01:53] <jla> jla = zzz2009
[01:53] <qman__> bind isn't allowed to access files outside of its defined directories
[01:53] <clusty> qman__: had some nasty confs that were causing the crash
[01:53] <qman__> the "odd" division, as you put it, is just for convenience
[01:54] <ruben23> qman__:  ill cechk on the source.list on apt...?
[01:54] <qman__> ruben23, no
[01:55] <qman__> pastebin, you need to link to the correct URL so we can see the output
[01:55] <jla> Ok, so chroot is not considered necessary, but why divide up the conf files, setting up a split dns means that i have immediately break the current setup, will this break some other part of the system?
[01:56] <qman__> jla, the conf files are merely dividing the sections, and are included in
[01:56] <qman__> it works the same way as if you had one file
[01:56] <ruben23>  qman__: what i do its just apt-get update, nothing else
[01:56] <qman__> ruben23, show us the output of the error
[01:56] <qman__> jla, you can replace the separated conf files with one single file if you really want to, but it's not that complicated
[01:57] <ruben23> qman__:-------->http://pastebin.com/m314ac77e
[01:57] <jla> no it doesn't the default cannot be included in the named.conf as all zones must be in a view!
[01:57] <qman__> jla, ?
[01:58] <qman__> named.conf includes named.conf.options and named.conf.local
[01:58] <qman__> at the given points, stated in named.conf
[01:58] <qman__> it works exactly the same as if all three were in one file
[01:59] <ruben23> qman__:  what you think...?
[02:00] <qman__> ruben23, looks like either a corrupt download or corrupt files on that mirror
[02:00] <zash> but srsly, still lighttpd 1.4 in karmic?
[02:00] <qman__> ruben23, try a different mirror, or try again later
[02:00] <jla> it also includes named.conf.default.zones which contain the zone references for the root hints and rfc1912 zones.
[02:00] <jla> the hints zone should be included in all views, but the rfc1912 should only be included in the local view!
[02:01] <ruben23> qman__: how do i change my mirror..?
[02:01] <jla> in the current default config setting up views in named.conf.local does not work.
[02:01] <zash> so lighttpd 1.5 is still in beta?
[02:02] <qman__> jla, then just comment out the rfc1912 inclusion
[02:02] <qman__> I don't even have that file
[02:02] <qman__> so I don't know how yours is set up, it may have changed
[02:03] <jla> qman__, OK, but how llikely am I to break some other part of the overall setup?
[02:03] <qman__> jla, not at all
[02:03] <qman__> if you wanted to, you could just delete all those config files and use only named.conf
[02:04] <qman__> and it will work
[02:04] <qman__> though just commenting out what's breaking things is probably a better way
[02:06] <ruben23> qman__:..?
[02:06] <jla> qman__, true, but in this case I have to split the default.zone file in to two pieces. I do it my way and see what happens.
[02:07] <qman__> ruben23, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+change+mirror
[02:16] <bostrt> hi, i have a server with ubuntu 8.10 on it, is there a way without a reinstall to ugrade to 9.10?
[02:18] <qman__> bostrt, upgrade to 9.04, then 9.10
[02:19] <ruben23> qman__:  it display mirror but it didnt tell how to set the new mirror on the server...:-(
[02:19] <bostrt> qman__: i believe 8.10 is unsupported
[02:19] <bostrt> but could i change the souces.list file around?
[02:20] <qman__> bostrt, no, just upgrade to 9.04, then 9.10
[02:20] <qman__> sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:21] <bostrt> qman__: hm, i tried that earlier but nada, now it seems fine. perhaps user error
[02:22] <qman__> bostrt, also, 8.10 isn't unsupported yet
[02:22] <qman__> not for another year or two
[02:27] <ruben23> hi
[02:28] <ruben23> any chnage the mirror of an exixting ubuntu server..
[02:50] <nijaba> borst, qman: 8.10 is not an LTS -> as such it is supported 18 months. EOL -> 10/2004
[02:50] <nijaba> err= EOL -> 04/2004
[02:51] <nijaba> maybe I'll get that right once: EOL -> 04/2010
[02:52]  * nijaba got it right, finally...
[02:52] <qman__> hah, yeah
[02:52] <ruben23> im getting this error when i run update-----> http://pastebin.com/m314ac77e
[02:52] <qman__> EOL 4 years before it's released ;)
[02:55] <nijaba> ruben23: is your connection reliable?  Sounds like the file you download get corrupted.  A faulty proxy cache may cause this as well.
[02:59] <ruben23> nijaba: i have squid on my gateway server, guess need to turned it off
[02:59] <ruben23> to isolate
[03:00] <nijaba> ruben23: that's an idea.  if you can confirm after turning it off, check the caching parameters which might be a bit too conservative.
[03:01] <nijaba> ruben23: that's an idea.  if you can confirm after turning it off, check the caching parameters which might be a bit too conservative.
[03:26] <PC_Nerd1011> Hi,  I'm upgrading from 9.04 -> 9.10, and when it restarts bind9 -> "rndc failed to connect"...  bind9 wont start seperately, and named -g -p53 reports an error in being able to read /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf (sym link to elsewhere)....   any suggestions ?
[04:05] <marcelcohrs> hi, how do i start the ftp server?
[04:05] <marcelcohrs> hello?
[04:06] <marcelcohrs> anybody active in this channel?
[04:07] <marcelcohrs> PLEASE
[04:09] <marcelcohrs> come on guys
[04:18] <Sam-I-Am> first you need to install one
[04:18] <Sam-I-Am> then its either controlled in inetd.conf or by its own config file
[04:56] <marcelcohrs> hi guys
[04:56] <marcelcohrs> i cant access my mysql server 4 some reason
[04:56] <JanC> foursome reason?
[04:56] <marcelcohrs> ok ok ok
[04:56] <marcelcohrs> sorry
[04:57] <marcelcohrs> my fault
[04:57] <JanC> :P
[04:57] <JanC> just use plain English if possible  ;-)
[04:57] <marcelcohrs> my app(navicat) says: can not connect to mysql server at 192.....
[04:57] <marcelcohrs> :P
[04:57] <marcelcohrs> :d
[04:57] <marcelcohrs> :D
[04:59] <JanC> navicat is a proprietary app IIRC?
[04:59] <JanC> does it support the MySQL version in Ubuntu?
[04:59] <marcelcohrs> should
[05:00] <marcelcohrs> it works with my mysql on osx
[05:00] <marcelcohrs> i just set up a vm machine with linux ontop of osx
[05:00] <marcelcohrs> installed a lamp
[05:03] <marcelcohrs> i can connect to the apache via firefox, but not to mysql even the service is running
[05:05] <qman__> marcelcohrs, by default, mysql listens on a local unix socket
[05:05] <qman__> you need to configure it to listen on an IP address if you want remote access
[05:05] <marcelcohrs> cool
[05:05] <marcelcohrs> eehm
[05:05] <marcelcohrs> how?
[05:05] <qman__> in the main mysql config file, bind-address
[05:05] <qman__> it's commented out
[05:05] <marcelcohrs> nice which folder is it by defauilt at
[05:06] <qman__> /etc/mysql/my.cnf IIRC, something like that
[05:06] <marcelcohrs> am using latest ubuntu server build
[05:06] <marcelcohrs> okay
[05:06] <marcelcohrs> brb
[05:06] <marcelcohrs> :D
[05:09] <marcelcohrs> bind-address?
[05:09] <marcelcohrs> was set to loopback
[05:09] <marcelcohrs> should i set it to the et0 ip?
[05:09] <qman__> ah, must have changed defaults
[05:09] <qman__> yes
[05:09] <marcelcohrs> eth
[05:09] <qman__> it used to just be commented out
[05:09] <qman__> set it to whatever your IP is
[05:10] <marcelcohrs> okay
[05:10] <marcelcohrs> but its bind-address, right?
[05:10] <qman__> yes
[05:10] <marcelcohrs> thank
[05:10] <marcelcohrs> do i have to restart mysql
[05:10] <qman__> yes
[05:12] <marcelcohrs> host 192.... is not allowed to connect to the mysql server
[05:13] <qman__> you have to create a user with permission to connect from remote hosts
[05:13] <qman__> in mysql
[05:13] <marcelcohrs> i also cant run mysql from my commandline
[05:14] <marcelcohrs> access denied for user marcel @....
[05:14] <qman__> grant some privileges on databasename.* to user@host
[05:14] <qman__> mysql -u root -p
[05:14] <marcelcohrs> in the same file?
[05:14] <qman__> and type the password you set it up with
[05:14] <qman__> no, that's a mysql command line
[05:15] <qman__> you set the mysql root password during install
[05:15] <qman__> so, log in as root, and set up mysql users
[05:15] <qman__> log in to mysql as root, that is
[05:15] <vraa> you could use phpmyadmin to do that as well
[05:15] <vraa> and that's a little easier to understand than mysql command line
[05:15] <qman__> mysql is a pain
[05:15] <marcelcohrs> true true
[05:15] <vraa> since i think he said he had apache access with firefox already
[05:15] <marcelcohrs> thats why i use navicat
[05:16] <vraa> im not sure what navicat is, but you could use mysql administrator i think it sounds like they may be similar
[05:16] <marcelcohrs> no linux is running in a vm machine ontop of osx 10.56
[05:16] <marcelcohrs> 10.6
[05:16] <qman__> that's not relevant
[05:17] <marcelcohrs> ok
[05:18] <qman__> this software would have to be installed on the linux machine
[05:18] <qman__> phpmyadmin, etc.
[05:18] <marcelcohrs> sorry, but HOW do i add or grad access to marcel(systemuser)
[05:18] <marcelcohrs> root works
[05:18] <qman__> well
[05:18] <vraa> yeah i'm talking about your ubuntu computer, "sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin"
[05:19] <marcelcohrs> there is no giu
[05:19] <marcelcohrs> gui
[05:19] <vraa> and that'll give you phpmyadmin, so when you go to http://ipaddressofcomptuerrunningubuntu/phpmyadmin/ you get a nice interface
[05:19] <marcelcohrs> just commandline
[05:19] <vraa> you certainly have ssh access right ?
[05:19] <qman__> it's a bad idea to do this, but you could do "grant all privileges on *.* to 'marcel'@*;
[05:19] <qman__> "
[05:19] <qman__> what you should do, is create a database
[05:19] <qman__> and then create a user
[05:19] <qman__> to access that database
[05:19] <qman__> and you should never share mysql passwords with system passwords
[05:21] <marcelcohrs> ooh kay
[05:21] <qman__> mysql is restricted to the local machine by default because that is a secure configuration
[05:21] <qman__> if you need remote access, you should only grant specifically the remote access you need
[05:21] <marcelcohrs> but its just me
[05:21] <marcelcohrs> :)
[05:21] <qman__> to the host you need, to the database you need, and for only the user you need
[05:22] <marcelcohrs> this is a virtual machine
[05:22] <qman__> and only the privileges you need
[05:22] <marcelcohrs> i would like to crud my dbs remotely via a gui app called navicat
[05:22] <marcelcohrs> so pretty much i neet  root access
[05:23] <qman__> then, what you should do
[05:23] <qman__> is create a user called navicat
[05:23] <marcelcohrs> ok
[05:23] <marcelcohrs> in linux right adduser
[05:23] <qman__> and grant it all privileges on all databases, but only from your host
[05:23] <qman__> no
[05:23] <qman__> in mysql
[05:23] <qman__> like this
[05:23] <marcelcohrs> okay
[05:23] <marcelcohrs> i love u man
[05:23] <marcelcohrs> <3
[05:23] <qman__> grant all privileges on *.* to 'navicat'@'1.2.3.4'
[05:23] <qman__> ;
[05:24] <qman__> set password for 'navicat'@'1.2.3.4' = password('new_password');
[05:24] <qman__> and do this where 1.2.3.4 is your host's IP, and new_password is the desired password
[05:26] <marcelcohrs> mysql syntax error
[05:26] <marcelcohrs> grant all privileges on *.* to 'navicat'@'1.2.3.4'
[05:27] <marcelcohrs> sorry
[05:27] <marcelcohrs> sorry sorry
[05:27] <qman__> you might have to do each database individually
[05:27] <marcelcohrs> was me ;)
[05:27] <qman__> oh, ok
[05:28] <marcelcohrs> okay should i test now?
[05:28] <marcelcohrs> or smth else?
[05:28] <qman__> go ahead and test
[05:28] <qman__> see if you can log in from the host
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> omg
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> omg
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> ogm
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> omg
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> it WOXXX
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> ure teh man q man
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> okay...
[05:29] <marcelcohrs> now!
[05:30] <marcelcohrs> have u used vsftpd?
[05:30] <marcelcohrs> cause i can connect already, but i dont have any writing permissions
[05:30] <marcelcohrs> apparently it uses the linux accounts
[05:31] <marcelcohrs> how would i set i.E. the user marcel to read and write everywhere]
[05:31] <marcelcohrs> i can see already the root layer, but i cant drop my files anywhere
[05:31] <qman__> pretty sure vsftpd won't let you do that
[05:31] <qman__> use sftp instead
[05:32] <marcelcohrs> okay
[05:32] <marcelcohrs> how do i unistall vsftp?
[05:32] <marcelcohrs> caus i think i starts on startup
[05:32] <qman__> sudo apt-get purge vsftpd
[05:34] <marcelcohrs> package sftp has no installation candidate
[05:34] <marcelcohrs> was the install successfull?
[05:34] <qman__> no, sftp is part of openssh-server
[05:35] <marcelcohrs> i remember i checked installed ssh server on my ubutu installation
[05:35] <qman__> so it's probably already installed
[05:35] <qman__> it uses system accounts and permission
[05:35] <marcelcohrs> okay i got rid of vsftp
[05:35] <marcelcohrs> cool
[05:36] <marcelcohrs> how do i run it?
[05:36] <marcelcohrs> OR
[05:36] <marcelcohrs> shouldm i use macfuse?
[05:36] <qman__> no idea what that is
[05:36] <qman__> most linux and nix systems have the ssh, scp, and sftp clients
[05:36] <qman__> available at the terminal
[05:38] <fallous> macfuse lets you mount sshfs and such
[05:39] <marcelcohrs> thats right
[05:40] <marcelcohrs> i connected already to my linux-box via sshfs
[05:40] <marcelcohrs> i can see everything, but with my account (marcel)
[05:40] <marcelcohrs> i still cant write
[05:40] <fallous> chmod or add your user to a group that does have write perms to the dirs
[05:40] <marcelcohrs> how would i grand myself these permissions?
[05:40] <marcelcohrs> the user has been created automatically during the installation
[05:41] <fallous> yes, and the user doesn't have write perms for whatever dir you're trying to monkey with
[05:41] <marcelcohrs> no idea ho i would set it to a root use
[05:41] <marcelcohrs> r
[05:41] <fallous> you don't want to ssh as root
[05:41] <fallous> remote connects as root is a Bad Idea(tm)
[05:41] <marcelcohrs> i know everybody says that
[05:41] <marcelcohrs> soooo
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> what should i do
[05:42] <fallous> what I said :)
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> i need to drop content(php files) in /var/www
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> okay let me review
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> chmod or add your user to a group that does have write perms to the dirs
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> how?
[05:42] <marcelcohrs> ^^
[05:43] <marcelcohrs> srry guis
[05:43] <marcelcohrs> im coming from the dark(windows) and am going slowliy towards the light
[05:43] <fallous> I'd set /var/www to be owned by group www with write enabled, then add marcel to that group
[05:43] <marcelcohrs> okay
[05:43] <marcelcohrs> im on /
[05:44] <marcelcohrs> what the command?
[05:44] <marcelcohrs> do i need to sudo that?
[05:44] <fallous> ah, I see there is no default www group in 9.10
[05:45] <marcelcohrs> sorry guys
[05:45] <marcelcohrs> what do i need to type
[05:45] <marcelcohrs> ?
[05:46] <twb> fallous: historically, at least, www-data is used by httpds/
[05:46] <fallous> yeah
[05:46] <fallous> on my box I just chmod /var/www so it's editable by any user since I only have my own accounts in there and everything is backed up
[05:47] <fallous> so quick and dirty like I do it is chmod 777 /var/www
[05:47] <twb> fallous: do you also make all your executables set-uid?
[05:47] <fallous> yes
[05:47]  * twb sighs
[05:47] <fallous> I also irc naked
[05:47] <fallous> :)
[05:47] <twb> I don't wish to know that!
[05:48] <twb> Kindly leave the stage/
[05:48] <marcelcohrs> oh MY GOD
[05:49] <marcelcohrs> too much information fallous
[05:49] <marcelcohrs> :P
[05:49] <fallous> it happens when you ask too many questions ;)
[05:49] <poningru> lol
[05:49] <marcelcohrs> giggledi
[05:50] <twb> Once again demonstrating that Ubuntu's -server is nearly as despicably juvenile as all its other channels...
[05:50] <fallous> and to assuage twb, no I don't run setuid ;)
[05:52] <fallous> of course it always amused me that linux lacks wheel but that's my old bsd bigotry flaring up
[05:53] <marcelcohrs> thanks sooooo much
[05:53] <marcelcohrs> bee back soon
[05:53] <marcelcohrs> love u guys
[05:53] <marcelcohrs> <3 qman
[05:54] <fallous> sorry, already married
[05:56] <marcelcohrs> :)
[05:56] <marcelcohrs> buy
[06:15] <supermatthew> i setup my server with ISPConfig and Courier mail server, but mail isn't working
[06:16] <supermatthew> i keep getting Unknown user or password incorrect when i try to login via squirrelMail
[06:27] <Fenix> does a DNS need a static ip?
[06:30] <Fenix> Does a DNS need a static ip
[06:31] <debio264> I'm setting up a single sign on system, and I pretty much have Kerberos and LDAP all set, but I'm wanting to have home directories shared across the systems signing in to the Kerberos/LDAP setup
[06:31] <debio264> can anyone recommend a filesystem to use there?
[06:31] <debio264> should I just use Samba and have a big home directory share?
[06:31] <debio264> or something distributed like Coda?
[06:32] <debio264> or even NFS?
[06:36] <Fenix> I would try samba
[06:40] <twb> debio264: are the clients running Ubuntu or Windows?
[06:40] <debio264> twb: Ubuntu
[06:40] <twb> Then try NFSv4 before Samba
[06:41] <twb> libpam_mount.so blows
[06:41] <debio264> yea, should I just make one big share of /home, or mount the user's directory at login?
[06:42] <twb> debio264: ask NFSv4's documentation.
[06:42] <debio264> okay
[06:43] <twb> Obviously for NFSv3 you export /home directly (or rather, whatever filesystem that lives on), and Samba you export individual home directories.
[06:43] <twb> I don't know how NFSv4 does it.
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> Hi, I need some help with BIND.  I'm trying to make a machine on my LAN act as if it were the official archive mirror (for an installfest).  I got it so it answers for archive.ubuntu.com, but now I want to add us.archive.ubuntu.com, etc., and I'm not sure how to do the subdomains.
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> nvm, I appear to have gotten it...
[06:56] <supermatthew> can someone help me, my mail isn't working
[07:02] <Boohbah> us.archive.ubuntu.com CNAME your.a.record.ubuntu.com
[07:02] <Boohbah> tonyyarusso: the CNAME points to the A record that points to your IP
[07:02] <tonyyarusso> righto
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to do wildcards?
[07:03] <Boohbah> sure
[07:03] <Boohbah> *.ubuntu.com CNAME ubuntu.com
[07:04] <supermatthew> can someone help me, my mail isn't working, when i try to send mail from, nothing happens(no errors) but it doesn't arive, when i try to it nothing happens. I can't figure out were log files re
[07:05] <twb> tonyyarusso: wouldn't it be better to just fix the preseeding so that machines didn't try to talk to archive.u.c?
[07:05] <twb> Boohbah: I don't think you can CNAME between domains.
[07:06] <twb> Boohbah: oh, never mind.
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> twb: That's on the list for Lucid (along with attempting PXE), but I just frankly don't have time to figure that out and make new images before our release party in 7 hours.
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> twb: Also, I want it to work for people who are upgrading as well.
[07:06] <twb> Shrug
[07:07] <twb> Preseeding by hand is just adding url=http://fred/preseed.txt to the boot prompt
[07:07] <twb> Granted it wouldn't help upgraders
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> I also won't be around to explain that to everyone necessarily - I'd like it to work as hands-off as possible.
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> Anyway, we'll see how this works, and make adjustments for next time as needed.
[07:13] <Boohbah> twb: i get paid for DNS stuff :) looking forward to IDN's!
[07:15] <twb> Boohbah: including all the exciting issues that Unicode brings?
[07:18] <Boohbah> twb: punycode
[07:18] <Boohbah> twb: yes, very exciting! i'm sure there will be many buggy implementations to exploit :)
[07:21] <supermatthew> screw it, ill modify the system to talk to my windows machine which i know can send and recive mail
[07:22] <twb> supermatthew: what MTA are you using?
[07:24] <Boohbah> supermatthew: that's kind of lame. tried postfix? there are plenty of howto's for postfix + ubuntu
[07:24] <supermatthew> i am using postfix
[07:24] <supermatthew> i setup ispconfig
[07:24] <twb> supermatthew: I don't know what ispconfig is.  Is postfix configured?
[07:25] <supermatthew> ispconfig is a server manager, like cpanel/whm
[07:26] <twb> ispconfig is not part of Ubuntu, so I can't help you.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> For some reason in karmic I can't get the default gateway set from within /etc/network/interfaces - I have to do 'route add default gw 192.168.1.1' separately.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> Isn't the syntax just "gateway 192.168.1.1" within the iface options?
[07:32] <marcelcohrs> i cant access my mysql with my account error 1045 access denied for user marcel
[07:35] <marcelcohrs> i tried already adding marcel as a user in mysql
[07:37] <marcelcohrs> solved it
[07:38] <marcelcohrs> hat to grant @ LOCALHOST
[07:38] <marcelcohrs> :)
[07:38] <marcelcohrs> but ive another  problem
[07:54] <supermatthew> yay i got mail to send
[07:54] <supermatthew> i just nuked my vps and started over
[08:51] <twb> tonyyarusso: is the interfaces stanza static or dhcp?
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> twb: static
[08:55] <twb> Good.
[08:55] <twb> I'm out of ideas, then
[08:55] <twb> Unless your gateway is accidentally not within the netmask you defined
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> netmask of 255.255.255.0 for a 192.168.1.1 gw
[09:11] <twb> tonyyarusso: just pastebin your whole interfaces file
[09:11] <twb> I doubt I can help, but it won't hurt
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> actually, atm it's more important for me to get some sleep.  Perhaps another time.
[09:35] <Fenix> where is named.conf file path directive
[09:35] <Fenix> anyone?
[09:43] <kblin> try find /etc -type f -name named.conf
[09:52] <dvrvm> good morning. just upgraded my server to karmic, now the system won't boot because the file system doesn't mount anymore... known problem?
[09:54] <wetnose> 'admin' user not found on Karmic UEC Cloud Controller install http://tinyurl.com/yh4gk82
[09:55] <wetnose> Has anyone tried installing UEC via Karmic installer?
[10:00] <wetnose> Does anyone know of a forum for Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud users?
[10:08] <twb> !uec
[10:08] <twb> Apparently not
[10:09] <cemc> if I use virt-install --vnc, how can I tell it to listen on 0.0.0.0:5900, and not only on 127.0.0.1:5900 ?
[10:10] <twb> cemc: do you REALLY want to do that?
[10:10] <twb> cemc: seems to me port forwarding with ssh would be safer
[10:11] <twb> i.e. ssh -nfL 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 vm && vncviewer 127.0.0.1
[10:12] <cemc> I'm doing that right know, with ssh and port forwarding. I was just wondering if and how it can be done
[10:12] <twb> I don't know, sorry.
[10:13] <cemc> np. btw, this KVM thing IS fast, heh
[10:15] <kblin> can kvm in karmic finally do snapshots and restores from running vms?
[10:16] <kblin> e.g. from virt-manager?
[10:16] <cemc> kblin: hm, haven't tried that, it's my first time with KVM
[10:18] <kblin> I'm running kvm on my 8.04 dev box, and it's pretty nice, apart from not being able to conveniently do snapshots
[10:18] <kblin> so on my 9.10 laptop, I tend to use virtualbox
[10:19] <kblin> the laptop can't run KVM (no VT support), or I'd have tried
[10:21] <wetnose> twb: sorry, what does "!uec" mean?
[10:21] <twb> wetnose: I was hoping ubottu would help out
[10:21] <twb> wetnose: the ! means "hey, ubottu!"
[10:22] <twb> kblin: I don't know about virt-manager or kvm, but qemu (on which kvm is based) can certainly do snapshots of running VMs, as long as you're using the qcow2 disk format (rather than the raw format)
[10:23] <dvrvm> how should my menu.lst look exactly? it looks like update-grub sees the new 9.10 kernel but doesn't renew the menu.lst file
[10:23] <wetnose> Is there much interest in Eucalyptus from Ubuntu users?
[10:23] <kblin> twb: yeah, I know, but it's not terribly useful if that's not integrated in the GUI. at least not very convenient
[10:23] <twb> kblin: sure.  I'm just saying that the backend, at least, ought to do it
[10:24] <twb> Nobody will give me a VT-capable machine to play with virt-manager and kvm on :-(
[10:24] <twb> "We'll use vmware/openvz/virtualbox again because you don't have experience deploying kvm"
[10:25] <twb> Well, of course I don't!  You can't bootstrap from null!
[10:25]  * twb grumbles
[10:26] <wetnose> Any KVM fans here? I wasn't sold on it when Ubuntu drank the coolaid.
[10:26] <twb> I *love* qemu
[10:26] <kblin> wetnose: I like it. it's just the UI that sucks
[10:27] <twb> qemu -curses and -nographic are killer features
[10:27] <cemc> of course you don't use the UI much once the guest is up... so...
[10:27] <kblin> fortunately most of my windows machines can suspend to disk, so I don't miss the VM-based suspend
[10:27] <wetnose> I use Xen with a webui I wrote myself
[10:27] <cemc> I mean come on
[10:27] <cemc> start/stop, that's it
[10:27] <twb> kblin: doesn't virt-manager mean that it has the exact same UI as xen?
[10:27] <kblin> cemc: not so much
[10:27] <cemc> the ssh guest
[10:27] <cemc> then*
[10:28] <kblin> cemc: my guests are mostly windows
[10:28] <kblin> no ssh there
[10:28] <wetnose> Does console access to KVM guests still require use of VNC?
[10:28] <cemc> I liked vmware's UI, and virtualbox UI too, but this virsh does the trick too
[10:28] <twb> I also like how qemu includes DNS, DHCP, userspace masquerading, etc.
[10:28] <cemc> and virt-install
[10:28] <twb> wetnose: -curses means I don't need to use VNC -- it just displays the 80x25 console directly in my xterm
[10:28] <twb> wetnose: VERY fast compared to VNC, very nice when doing d-i installs
[10:28] <kblin> twb: meh. real IPs and bridging is the way to go. which virt-manager does rather nicely
[10:29] <twb> kblin: that's harder if you don't have root
[10:29] <kblin> ok, I got root on my dev box, non-issue for me
[10:29] <twb> I create and destroy lots of little VMs that only live a couple of hours, tops
[10:29] <kblin> and I need to have virtual machines that can talk to each other
[10:29] <twb> It's nice to not have to piss about with an expensive (in terms of my time) setup process
[10:30] <wetnose> does Xen use qemu?
[10:30] <kblin> it's kind of hard to test windows cross-forest trust domains if the machines don't talk to each other
[10:30] <twb> I heard xen uses qemu for "full" emulation, e.g. with windows DomUs
[10:30] <kblin> wetnose: nope
[10:30] <twb> kblin: I don't have to deal with Windows at all.  It's lovely.
[10:30] <renatinho> brasileiros na sala ?
[10:30] <kblin> twb: well, check my cloak to see why I have to
[10:31] <twb> kblin: haha
[10:31] <twb> !pt
[10:31] <wetnose> where does ubuntu make package based bug tracking available?
[10:31] <kblin> launchpad
[10:32] <wetnose> ta
[10:32] <kblin> if you want to file a bug, you can do that from the command line, though
[10:33] <wetnose> I am trying to find out why UEC install failed to create a user I can login with. :-)
[10:33] <renatinho> brasil!!!!!!!!!!
[10:33] <renatinho> nopt ingles
[10:34] <renatinho> not ingles
[10:34] <kblin> wetnose: so what's the deal with that cloud thing anyway? isn't that just a couple of VMs you can migrate between servers, with a fancy name?
[10:34] <wetnose> Karmic UEC feels like Hardy Xen. DOA :-(
[10:35] <renatinho>  :'( alguem fala a minha lingua
[10:35] <wetnose> Eucalyptus was a research project that kinda reversed engineered Amazon ec2
[10:35] <renatinho> eu sou brasileiro lingua portuguesa
[10:36] <wetnose> Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud is Eucalyptus on ubuntu.
[10:36] <kblin> yeah, I got that much... but what is it good for?
[10:36] <wetnose> You can use all the Amazon tools to manage your own cloud
[10:36] <jpds> !br | renatinho
[10:36] <twb> "reverse engineered", or "read the whitepaper and implemented the same thing"?
[10:36] <kblin> twb: that's pretty much the same thing
[10:37] <twb> Well, I bet the former is illegal now
[10:37] <wetnose> twb: yeah, I said kinda
[10:37] <kblin> twb: nope
[10:37] <twb> wetnose: righto
[10:37] <wetnose> twb: because it's not the right word
[10:37] <kblin> twb: not if you do it correctly
[10:37] <twb> kblin: hehe
[10:38] <wetnose> Here's the correct description: http://open.eucalyptus.com/
[10:39] <wetnose> I want to have my own ec2 and s3 services on my own hardware
[10:39] <wetnose> tonight if possible
[10:39] <wetnose> but ubuntu seem to have shipped yet another broken offering
[10:40] <kblin> wetnose: well, then set it up manually, I guess
[10:40] <kblin> or buy amazon
[10:41] <kblin> depends on how much time/money you have, obviously
[10:41] <wetnose> hehehe
[10:41] <kblin> twb: http://www.samba.org/ftp/tridge/misc/french_cafe.txt describes Samba's approach at reverse engineering quite well
[10:41] <wetnose> Yeah, I might go the manual route
[10:42] <wetnose> Was excited at the promise of it "just working". http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private-steps
[10:42] <twb> kblin: ah, of course.  You Samba people would have first-hand experience.
[10:43] <kblin> wetnose: it might be fixed soon
[10:44] <kblin> wetnose: but there's a reason why the bleeding edge is called "bleeding edge"
[10:44] <wetnose> 9.10 isn't really bleeding edge
[10:46] <wetnose> hey, I'm going to stop bleeting and get back to solving the problem
[10:46] <twb> Compared to LTS it is
[10:47]  * twb kicks LDAP config change
[10:48] <wetnose> thanks folks
[11:01] <wetnose> Found the answer to make Karmic UEC work!
[11:02] <wetnose> You need to reboot the server. Just Like Windows. :-)
[11:15] <simh> hi, is this a proper place to ask about ubuntu 8.04 lts instalation problems? the installer does not detetect my hdd and no1 could help me so far :)
[11:23] <dvrvm> please, could someone pastebin his 9.10 server menu.lst?
[11:23] <dvrvm> update-grub sees the kernels but somehow doesn't update the file
[11:26] <twb> dvrvm: does 9.10 use GRUB Legacy or GRUB 2?
[11:27] <twb> GRUB 2 uses grub.cfg (or so), not menu.lst
[11:30] <dvrvm> twb: i updated from 9.04 ergo still menu.lst and grub1
[11:31] <twb> dvrvm: you've confirmed this?
[11:31] <twb> i.e. you're not just assuming that it's the case
[11:32] <dvrvm> i have no grub.cfg and aptitude says grub2 is not installed
[11:33] <dvrvm> the problem comes from the fact that i didn't allow the updater to update menu.lst and now it looks like update-grub doesnt "see" where to put the new data
[11:35] <twb> dvrvm: it's "grub-pc" or so, not "grub2".
[11:36] <twb> But it appears that karmic and lucid still support grub legacy
[11:36] <dvrvm> no, grub-pc is not installed either, grub-common is at 1.97 beta4
[11:36] <twb> 1.97 is grub2
[11:36] <twb> But grub-common is not a problem, I think
[11:36] <dvrvm> ok, so why is my system booting the old kernel?
[11:37] <zoopster> twb: if you are using grub2 and update-grub (stub for grub-mkconfig) you need to pass more parameters...man pages will help
[11:37] <twb> dvrvm: dunno.
[11:37] <zoopster> sorry...that was for dvrvm
[11:38] <dvrvm> zoopster: man update-grub gives my only one option (-y)
[11:38] <zoopster> dvrvm: really...so for grub2 update-grub is a stub for grub-mkconfig
[11:39] <dvrvm> hm, and i have the grub 0.97 package installed (but grub-common 1.97)
[11:40] <dvrvm> plus, no grub-pc and no grub2
[11:41] <twb> dvrvm: ignore me and carry on.  I was expecting Ubuntu to basically force people to switch to grub2 with dummy packages
[11:41] <twb> Which AFAICT is not the case.
[11:41] <zoopster> appears to be the case twb
[11:42] <twb> zoopster: yeah?  packages.ubuntu.com/grub doesn't have "(dummy package)" for the grub package, cf. packages.debian.org/grub
[11:42] <twb> I don't have a non-LTS box around to confirm though
[11:43] <zoopster> just found a note that upgrades will not get grub2
[11:43] <zoopster> only new installs
[11:43] <twb> zoopster: OK, I misunderstood your previous remark.  Carry on.
[11:43] <dvrvm> hehe, i would be happy to switch to grub2 ONCE MY SYSTEM BOOTS AGAIN :D
[11:44] <twb> dvrvm: do you have physical access?
[11:44] <dvrvm> yes
[11:45] <dvrvm> actually, atm only the "physical" access works :D
[11:45] <dvrvm> i will just try and edit menu.lst by hand
[11:45] <twb> Yeah, that's what I was gonna suggest
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, looks like it's booting :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:50] <dvrvm> hm, it's booting now apparently :D
[11:52] <twb> Plonk.
[11:53] <dvrvm> it's some kind of booting now apparenty
[11:56] <zoopster> dvrvm: if you want to upgrade to grub2 now...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[11:58] <dvrvm> i have to wait until fsck finishes to see whether my system still works at all :D
[11:58] <twb> I dropped grub in favour of extlinux.
[12:51] <spiritof76> is fsck a safe command to run?
[12:52] <twb> spiritof76: on what?
[12:52] <spiritof76> on karmic either server or desktop
[12:53] <twb> I mean, on what filesystem?
[12:53] <twb> Is the filesystem damaged?  Is it mounted?
[12:53] <spiritof76> 32 bit ..
[12:53] <twb> What type of filesystem is it?
[12:53] <spiritof76> version 2 and 4
[12:53] <twb> "32 bit" is not a filesystem.  A filesystem is something like XFS or ext3.
[12:54] <spiritof76> ext 3 and ext 4 I think
[12:54] <twb> e2fsck will ask you before doing anything drastic.
[12:54] <twb> You can also run it in read-only mode, IIRC.
[12:54] <twb> It will impact performance, of course.
[12:55] <spiritof76> I wanted to try and use it as a defrag? is this reasonable?
[13:04] <twb> If he comes back, someone explain that ext filesystems don't need defragging unless you use the reserved blocks.
[13:47] <jla> i am trying setup a soho server, there are a number of packages that seem to be un-necessary e.g. wpa*, ufw, ppp
[13:47] <jla> if I remove these am giving myself a problem?
[14:02] <KurtKraut> jla, if they're not truly needed, no, no problem.
[14:20] <Fenix1> which file should i use in bind, named.conf or named.conf.local
[14:20] <Fenix1> Ive read tutorials saying both:S
[14:25] <Fenix1> asdsfd
[14:33] <KurtKraut> Fenix1, I guess it depends on the BIND version. The named.conf.local seems to be the most update setting.
[14:35] <Fenix1> what is the difference between them do you know?
[15:22] <jla> fenix1, depends upon your ned
[15:23] <jla> ned-> needs, if you are setting up a simple caching server then the conf.local is ok. however if you are setting up a split server or something more advanced I wwould save the existing files somewhere and start from scratch!
[15:26] <jape^> Is there a tool to automatically change the mirrors used by atp-get?
[15:27] <andol> sed? :)
[15:27] <jape^> I havae a us-version on ubuntu-server in my vm, and I like to change the mirrors from us to fi :)
[15:42] <zash> damn it, something's up with pymsnt :(
[15:42] <zash> http://p.zash.se/cl
[16:43] <Consty> has anyone had an issue with 9.10 where SSHD isn't working properly? The service is running, and I can ssh into myself, but can't from any other PC on my network. The odd thing is I can use telnet on 22 to see the OpenSSH signature, but when using ssh on another box it just sits there and hangs
[16:44] <Consty> So because I'm able to telnet, it's not a firewall related issue
[17:03] <jmarsden> Consty: I suggest you use   ssh -v -v -v  user@hostname   to see exactly where in the SSH dialogue things are hanging.
[17:04] <Consty> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
[17:04] <Consty> server isn't sending that back apparently?
[17:06] <jmarsden> Consty: It's a total guess, but the server may not have enough entropy available, and be hanging reading /dev/random ??  If you have a physical screen and keyboard on the server, use them and pound on the keyboard, or do something else that will give the machine some randomness to work from...
[17:14] <Consty> Yeah I've tried that. It's very weird
[17:15] <Consty> The issue doesn't exist with 9.04 server.. when I reinstall that SSH immediately works, but not with 9.10
[17:15] <Consty> any easy recommendations as far as switching repos? because as it stands now i can't even get a successful apt-get update because of the servers getting hammered I assume
[17:16] <Consty> I'm thinking maybe this issue is resolved by updating
[17:31] <Shubuntu> hello, i have a question regarding naming hosts
[17:31] <Shubuntu> i am a bit confused about how to name the host
[17:32] <Shubuntu> i'm setting up a vps
[17:32] <Shubuntu> and trying to follow this tutorial on howtoforge
[17:32] <Shubuntu> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-9.10-ispconfig-3-p3
[17:33] <Shubuntu> in that page it's saying I have to name my server server1?
[17:33] <Shubuntu> any help is appreciated
[17:36] <zash> have to? i doubt it
[17:36] <Shubuntu> i just don't understand how the naming works
[17:36] <Shubuntu> my site is fastformer.com
[17:36] <Shubuntu> now if i name the host server1.fastformer.com
[17:36] <Shubuntu> then i'll have a problem with my mail server being fastformer.com
[17:36] <Shubuntu> correct?
[17:37] <crohakon> Where is a good guide on creating virtual hosts?
[17:37] <Shubuntu> cause i want to have my emails like ceo@fastformer.com
[17:37] <zash> Shubuntu: you can name it whatever you want, but ofc it needs to be the same everywhere
[17:37] <zash> Shubuntu: and for mail you set an MX record pointing to the mail server
[17:37] <Shubuntu> zash, but what do people do in this situation? I don't understand how this works
[17:38] <crohakon> where ever they say to put server1, you put the name of the server you want.
[17:38] <Shubuntu> zash, the problem i have here isn't with mx, i already have done that in my dns
[17:38] <crohakon> for example... mail.fastformer.com?
[17:38] <Shubuntu> i only have one ip
[17:39] <Shubuntu> with which i'm going to set up everything
[17:39] <Shubuntu> so i need help figuring out how this works, so i won't make a mistake
[17:40] <bdelin881> after a karmic upgrade on my server i am getting this error: "mount:unknown filesystem type 'bind'" I get this error after doing mount -a, I have 2 binded directories on my server that are not getting bound when the system reboots
[17:40] <bdelin881> they are set up in fstab, can anyone help? :)
[17:41] <bdelin881> it all worked pre-upgrade
[17:41] <Shubuntu> now in the example it says: "192.168.0.100   server1.example.com     server1", what i need is to name it fastformer.com
[17:41] <bdelin881> already have uninstalled and tried reinstalling bind9
[17:41] <crohakon> oka, so put in your IP and mail.fastformer.com
[17:41] <Shubuntu> but this is all my server not just mail
[17:42] <Shubuntu> like www.fastformer.com is going to have the same ip
[17:42] <bdelin881> i have to go soon, guess nobody knows then...
[17:42] <zash> Shubuntu: if you only have one server, do what i do, CNAME *.mydomain to mydomain and mydomain IN A myip
[17:43] <crohakon> bdelin881; I have not attempted to update to .10, I am not so much help.
[17:43] <zash> except i have mail.mydomain A myip, and MX points to mail.
[17:43] <bdelin881> hmm maybe i should have waited
[17:43] <bdelin881> i did it remotely
[17:43] <Shubuntu> i can easily do that with a virtual mx
[17:43] <Shubuntu> that's not a problem
[17:43] <Shubuntu> i already know how to do those things with webmin
[17:44] <Shubuntu> i just don't understand how i can have my server name be fastformer.com
[17:44] <Shubuntu> without a prefix
[17:44] <Shubuntu> that way all that go under it
[17:44] <zash> Shubuntu: why does it matter?
[17:44] <Shubuntu> will be *.fastformer.com
[17:44] <Shubuntu> email addresses
[17:45] <zash> Shubuntu: it can be named whatever.fastformer.com  and handle mail for @fastformer.com
[17:45] <Shubuntu> i don't want email addresses to be ceo@server.fastformer.com
[17:45] <crohakon> bdelin881; That is why I am waiting. I want to see all the problems that people have first so I know what I am getting myself into.
[17:45] <zash> Shubuntu: just set up DNS properly
[17:45] <Shubuntu> so naming doesn't matter?
[17:46] <crohakon> Shubuntu; example... mail.whatever.com is the server, but the email addresses are still blah@whatever.com
[17:46] <Shubuntu> but this is my one server
[17:46] <Shubuntu> it will have the webpages, the mails, everything on it
[17:46] <crohakon> mail.whatever.com is just the server your clients connect to when sending receiving or sending mail
[17:46] <crohakon> Shubuntu; and?
[17:46] <Shubuntu> so i can't name the server mail.fastformer.com
[17:47] <zash> Shubuntu: noone outside of your org needs to ever know what your server is named
[17:47] <Shubuntu> and i don't know if i should call it www either
[17:47] <crohakon> my domain, I have ftp.whatever.com, mail.whatever.com, smtp.whatever.com, and www.whatever.com
[17:47] <crohakon> all on same IP
[17:47] <zash> Shubuntu: just set up A and MX records in DNS properly
[17:47] <Shubuntu> crohakon, that's all dns stuff, we're not talking about that, i know how to work with dns
[17:48] <crohakon> Shubuntu; then what is the problem?
[17:48] <Shubuntu> i'm asking these because if you look further in that tutorial this same server1 appears in set up of the mail server
[17:49] <crohakon> server1 = wtf you want to name your mail server.... for example... mail.whatever.com
[17:49] <crohakon> it will not be a prefix to your email accounts.
[17:49] <Shubuntu> in the imapd.cnf it's setting CN=server1.example.com
[17:51] <zash> Shubuntu: I think you should read up on how mail and dns works
[17:52] <Shubuntu> i just need one good tutorial that explains how mail servers are set up
[17:52] <Shubuntu> and i know how dns works
[17:52] <Shubuntu> it's just a bunch of tables
[17:58] <Shubuntu> another question, which is the best mail server?
[17:58] <Shubuntu> should i use postfix or go for dovecot? any other good options?
[17:58] <zash> Shubuntu: both?
[17:58] <zash> I have postfix and dovecot
[17:59] <Shubuntu> how does that work?
[17:59] <zash> dovecot is for clients
[17:59] <palt_> Shubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer :)
[17:59] <zash> postfix retrives and sends mails to other domains
[17:59] <bogeyd6> update servers are frigging CRAWLING at 36kbs
[17:59] <bogeyd6> i wish you could choose your own update server
[17:59] <zash> and dovecot is what the clients talk to to get their mail
[18:00] <Shubuntu> ok so for my webmail / pop3 / imap i should use dovcot
[18:00] <Shubuntu> and for sed / receive use postfix
[18:00] <Shubuntu> send*
[18:00] <palt_> bogeyd6: I use another mirror, guess you could do that :)
[18:01] <Shubuntu> and i won't install courier right?
[18:06] <Shubuntu> do i need to define private ips in the hosts file as well?
[18:15] <palt> Shubuntu: What do you mean?
[18:16] <Shubuntu> well my server has 1 real ip, and one private ip
[18:16] <palt> Så one for the internet and one for the internal network?
[18:16] <palt> so .P
[18:16] <Shubuntu> so when i say 192.168.0.10 server.fastformer.com server
[18:17] <Shubuntu> do i do like 10.100.0.1 server.fastformer.com server as well?
[18:17] <Shubuntu> yes palt
[18:18] <palt> If I'm not mistaken, the hosts file is just a place where the computer looks up a hostname before doing a DNS query.
[18:18] <Shubuntu> oh ok so no biggie
[18:18] <Shubuntu> you finally answered me :P now i know what it is, so no biggie
[18:18] <palt> But if you have two IP's pointing at the same hostname, I don't know whats going to happen
[18:18] <Shubuntu> thanks
[18:19] <Shubuntu> i've set them to broadcast the same
[18:19] <Shubuntu> and the private to be eth0:0
[18:19] <Shubuntu> so it'll be fine
[18:19] <palt> Often you could have a central hosts file that you distribute among your own servers. That way if your DNS dies you can still reach your servers.
[18:19] <palt> It's also neat for shortcuts :)
[18:20] <Shubuntu> yeah i understand what hosts file is now
[18:20] <palt> Sorry, I just got a bit carried away :P
[18:20] <Shubuntu> i had a different understanding hence why i was confused
[18:20] <Shubuntu> no worries thanks a lot
[18:21] <Shubuntu> now i need to set up postfix and dovcot to use virtual mails
[18:22] <palt> Check out the link I gave you earlier. Should contain some useful information :)
[18:23] <Shubuntu> will do, and i'll come and bug you till i know how things work
[18:24] <Shubuntu> i think these things lack good documentation
[18:24] <Shubuntu> i wish there was a simple wikipage that would have sample configs for these things
[18:24] <palt> Sometimes they'll do. But I'm off pretty soon but there are plenty of other people here to bug ;)
[18:27] <Shubuntu> thanks
[18:27] <Shubuntu> :)
[18:40] <Shubuntu>  do i have to get a ssl? is there a good free one?
[18:41] <Shubuntu> i understand that most of them are domain specific?
[18:41] <palt> No, you don't have to get SSL. But it's great to have it :)
[18:41] <Shubuntu> so like if i get one that's for www.fastformer.com it won't work for mail.fastformer.com
[18:41] <palt> Correct
[18:41] <Shubuntu> are there free ones?
[18:41] <pwnguin> you can self sign
[18:42] <pwnguin> or i think cacert is kinda free
[18:42] <Shubuntu> i know that one
[18:42] <palt> A valid signature I think you have to pay :)
[18:42] <pwnguin> blame mark shuttleworth
[18:42] <Shubuntu> the problem is i don't want to pay 50 bucks for a wild card
[18:42] <pwnguin> is that all a wildcard costs?
[18:42] <Shubuntu> i just checked and they have something called wild card
[18:42] <Shubuntu> it's the cheapest
[18:43] <palt> Do you have many services that uses SSL?
[18:43] <Shubuntu> there are ones that cost up to 300 bucks
[18:43] <Shubuntu> well for mail
[18:43] <Shubuntu> and for taking donations
[18:43] <Shubuntu> which i wanna kinda pass onto paypal
[18:43] <palt> Then it's cheaper to just get one for mail.yourdomain.com instead of a wildcard
[18:43] <Shubuntu> don't wanna handle money
[18:43] <pwnguin> the 300 bucks ones usually also cost your time and effort to comply with security precautions
[18:44] <Shubuntu> i will need one more for webamail
[18:44] <palt> pwnguin: That's the green bar in the browser?
[18:44] <Shubuntu> and another for user log in on the site
[18:44] <pwnguin> palt: that's an EV cert. they're expensive yes, but last i saw like thousands expensive
[18:45] <palt> one trick is to get one for the main domain. ANd then use mod_proxy to add yourdomain.com/webmail
[18:45] <palt> That way you only need one cert
[18:45] <Shubuntu> how would i do that?
[18:45] <Shubuntu> and if i host more websites on the same server
[18:45] <Shubuntu> will it work for them too?
[18:46] <Shubuntu> i have registered another site and the name registrar offers me a free ssl
[18:46] <palt> It'll work for all yourdomain.com/something. But not for something.yourdomain.com
[18:46] <MTecknology> I think my system was broken into....
[18:47] <palt> But I'll have to run. pwnguin can probably explain it deeper :)
[18:47] <MTecknology> How can I find out for sure?
[18:47] <Shubuntu> ok thanks
[18:47] <Shubuntu> pwnguin, how would the proxy thing work?
[18:50] <crohakon> Shubuntu; Did you just find out that your ISP blocks ports? hehe
[18:51] <Shubuntu> hun? what does that have to do with ssl?
[18:51] <Shubuntu> i think you misread my question
[18:51] <crohakon> Shubuntu; most likely, watching stargate u while chatting =)
[18:52] <Shubuntu> hehe ok then
[18:52] <pwnguin> Shubuntu: not a damn clue. i still havent set my ubuntu server up with SSL
[18:53] <Shubuntu> k
[19:23] <bogeyd6> shubuntu you can create your own ssl certificate using http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Apache2_SSL_in_Ubuntu
[19:24] <bogeyd6> Shubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/server/apache2/SSL
[19:27] <stas```> Hi, cand somebody help me, I keep getting stuff like this in my syslog
[19:27] <stas```> init: Failed to open console: Permission denied
[19:45] <bogeyd6> stas``` google hasnt even heard of that error
[19:45] <stas```> bogeyd6: yeah, I know
[19:46] <stas```> what's strange, is that vzctl ignores kmemsize for one of the vm i created
[19:46] <stas```> it leaves it only with 30megs ram
[19:47] <bogeyd6> derp derp
[19:48] <stas```> 103:  kmemsize         314861    1740548    1740800    1847296         16
[19:48] <stas```> user_beancounters
[19:48] <bogeyd6> Virtuozzo does have known issues
[19:48] <stas```> and inside the vm I can see 30megs
[19:49] <bogeyd6> ##parallels
[19:50] <stas```> bogeyd6: that channel has no users
[19:50] <bogeyd6> :((((((
[19:51] <bogeyd6> http://www.parallels.com/support/phone/
[20:01] <stas```> nevermind
[20:01] <stas```> inside VM
[20:01] <stas```> I got this
[20:01] <stas```> # invoke-rc.d networking restart
[20:01] <stas```>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...
[20:01] <stas```> /bin/sh: run-parts: Cannot allocate memory
[20:01] <stas```> Failed to bring up venet0:0.
[20:01] <stas```> /etc/init.d/networking: 75: readlink: Cannot allocate memory
[20:01] <stas```> same shit I believe happens in the other VM
[20:02] <stas```> it seems it can't alocate memory , but memtest doesn't seem to bring errors
[20:02] <stas```> :-/
[20:45] <g-hennux> my ubuntu virtual machines ("virtual flavour") can't mount nfs any more.
[20:45] <g-hennux> kernel is "2.6.31-14-generic-pae", might that be the problem?
[20:45] <g-hennux> that kernel doesn't contain any nfs modules, as far as i can see
[20:48] <g-hennux> showmount -e HOST *does* list the exports, but i can't mount them, and "dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.31-14-virtual | grep nfs" is empty
[20:53] <g-hennux> AAAAARGH
[20:53] <g-hennux> indeed, that kernel (for i386!!) has no nfs.ko (amd64 has!)
[21:04] <g-hennux> #453073 -- that is it
[21:38] <Shubuntu> umm for my webserver, should i go for apache, lighttpd, rails, ....
[21:38] <Shubuntu> please give me suggestions
[21:38] <guntbert> !best
[21:40] <Shubuntu> i'm not trying to take a poll
[21:40] <Shubuntu> just asking people to give me suggestions
[21:45] <darkpixel> Shubuntu: If you want to start out with 'easy' in my opinion, go with Apache.  If you want to start out with something very lightweight and very flexible, try lighttpd.
[21:46] <fallous> I used apache for a decade or so, but lately started using lighttpd
[21:46] <Shubuntu> will i be able to run webmin on lighttpd?
[21:47] <Shubuntu> is httpd the same in terms of creating sites?
[21:52] <guntbert> Shubuntu: please be aware that webmin is no longer supported on ubuntu
[21:52] <Shubuntu> oh, so i shouldn't use it anymore?
[21:53] <Shubuntu> what does ubuntu support now?
[21:53] <guntbert> !webmin
[21:54] <Shubuntu> ok
[21:54] <Shubuntu> ty
[21:54] <guntbert> Shubuntu: but that said: ebox is in no way a replacement for webmin :-(
[21:55] <Shubuntu> i really liked virtualmin
[21:59] <Shubuntu> ahh it's very limited
[21:59] <Shubuntu> yeah i can see
[22:01] <Shubuntu> can you have ruby on rails running on apache?
[22:20] <KurtKraut> Shubuntu, if you are asking this to everyone here, the answer is yes, it is possible to run rails on apache.
[22:22] <Shubuntu> ok, then rails is going be an apache module correct?
[22:23] <Shubuntu> do i have to download rails as binary and compile then?
[22:23] <Shubuntu> as source*
[22:24] <Shubuntu> and what happens to openssl library for ruby, gems, etc
[22:25] <KurtKraut> Shubuntu, I think you'll receive a better support on that subject on a specific RoR forum.
[22:27] <Shubuntu> kk thanks
[22:33] <KurtKraut> Shubuntu, you're using Xchat. Xchat has nickname autocomplete like bash. Just start typing someone's nickname than hit TAB on keyboard.
[23:45] <vladimir_> 'm getting this output when restarting apache2 on freshly installed LAMP http://pastebin.com/m942dba
[23:51] <vladimir_> how do i set my ip static ?