[07:16]  * kb9vqf likes the channel topic
[10:10] <markey> oh
[10:10] <markey> now that Karmic is released, is there NEON for Karmic? :)
[11:56] <ScottK> markey: Talk to apachelogger.  He said he was going to.
[11:57] <apachelogger> in fact I did say most recently in kde-devel that neon is kinda unmaintained and thus not much of an option for anything or anyone
[12:02] <markey> aw
[12:02] <markey> that's sad
[12:02] <markey> NEON is such a good concept
[12:49] <apachelogger> markey: how did you fix bug 343716 upstream?
[12:50] <markey> hm
[12:50]  * apachelogger notes that the fact that kaffeine was able to do this for years, without ever pushing the stuff somewhere global so that all media thingies could play smb is quite the shame
[12:50] <markey> apachelogger: I think it was a one liner patch, we checked for HTTP and some other protocol, but did not include SMB
[12:50] <markey> adding that fixed it
[12:50] <apachelogger> I see
[12:51] <Mamarok> markey: don't worry, Nightrose will certainly talk somebody into maintaining it, since she uses Neon IIRC
[12:51] <markey> well I'd use NEON too, for KDE 4.4
[12:51] <apachelogger> maybe we should look into backporting the fix then
[12:51] <markey> I don't build it currently
[12:51] <apachelogger> markey: someone really just needs to mess with the building :D
[12:51] <markey> apachelogger: want me to find the patch?
[12:51] <markey> sec
[12:53] <markey> apachelogger: http://mark.kollide.net/samba.diff
[12:54] <apachelogger> thx :)
[12:55] <apachelogger> markey: btw ... something I thought about the other day when I plugged in my phone ... would it technical be possible to have a collection file stored along the collection? like you have a collection db on your mobile player, when you plug it in, amarok will just virtually merge the db from the player with the local one to enhance the local one without the need for rescanning, when unplugged the virtual merge gets resolved
[12:55] <apachelogger>  again and the mobile player collection is also gone from the local one
[12:55] <markey> hm
[12:55] <markey> well
[12:55] <markey> thing is: mysqle doesn't save one file, but more like 100
[12:55] <markey> it's a whole dir
[12:55] <markey> check: ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/mysqle
[12:56] <Mamarok> isn't Dr. Konqi supposed to be installed in Karmic?
[12:56] <markey> Mamarok: it is. disable apport
[12:56] <Mamarok> I have people comüplaining about apport and they don't have Dr. Konqi
[12:56] <markey> yes, because of the braindead apport
[12:56]  * apachelogger hates apport to death
[12:56] <markey> me too
[12:56] <Mamarok> well, I told them to remove it, still, Dr. Konqi seems not to be installed
[12:56] <markey> Dr Konqui is much better
[12:56] <markey> Mamarok: removing does not suffice
[12:57] <markey> there is a file that you must edit
[12:57] <markey> Riddell told me
[12:57] <Mamarok> which is?
[12:57] <markey> dunno
[12:57] <markey> forgot
[12:57] <Mamarok> I didn't edit a file, just removed apport and never was bothered again
[12:57] <apachelogger> markey: well, from a higher level POV ... like have the mysql magic just use /media/drive/.amarok-collection as additional mysql instance or something
[12:57] <markey> hm
[12:58] <markey> I don't know if that could work, jefferai does collection foo now
[12:58] <apachelogger> sure would be awesome
[12:59] <apachelogger> I suppose it would also speed up collection listing for vfat devices (even if they are not in the search path of the local collection :))
[13:00] <apachelogger> like: amarok detects device => looks for .amarok-collection/ => finds collection => just loads that collection
[13:08] <apachelogger> srsly now
[13:08] <apachelogger> bug 468458
[13:09] <apachelogger> why do you keep doing such stuff close to release anyway?
[13:12]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell with his laser screwdriver
[13:45] <Mamarok> ouch, not in the eye I hope?
[13:48] <Quintasan> wtf, two separate installs of karmic have broken networking, wired connections wont work :/
[13:51] <apachelogger> why do you think I always call them weird connections :P
[13:52] <Quintasan> lol
[13:53] <Quintasan> but hell, it wont work, no error messages, just fails to get an ip :/
[13:53] <Quintasan> and it happend in my brothers installation too
[13:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: any useful information in ksystemlog maybe?
[13:58] <Quintasan> nothing, some logs and then deactivating device (reason: 2)
[13:59] <Quintasan> hurr, guess I will finish my bothers computer first
[13:59] <Quintasan> brothers*
[14:07] <aftertaf> hello, can anyone help . . . my amarok no longer launches.. i think because of a pb with libavcodec ppa packages...
[14:26] <apachelogger> markey: I find the name mydiroperator in amarok's file browser a bit ... ehm ... weird :D
[14:32] <markey> apachelogger: it's subclass of KDirOperator, that's why
[14:32] <apachelogger> wouldnt it be AmarokDirOperator then?
[14:32] <markey> the whole file browser is weird
[14:32] <markey> my long term goal is to nuke it
[14:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:32] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:32] <apachelogger> the class is duplicating code internally
[14:32] <markey> yeah
[14:33] <apachelogger> copy and move operations within could have some common base stuff
[14:33] <markey> the file browser is a cobbled together mess from Kate and other KDE parts
[14:33] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:33] <markey> it also doesn't support our PUD (the overlay thingie)
[14:33] <markey> that's rather problematic
[14:33] <markey> inconsistent
[14:34] <apachelogger> well, to get rid of it, nepomuk needs to become the ubiquitous database it is supposed to be
[14:34] <apachelogger> that said, did anyone of you try the new backend yet?
[14:34] <markey> well, I think our collection suffices. no need for direct file access
[14:34] <markey> no, haven't tried Virtuoso
[14:34]  * apachelogger needs to get packages for it
[14:35] <apachelogger> last I checked there was only the intention to make a debian package
[14:36] <apachelogger> markey: no file browser implies that only music from within the search path gets played, and that only matches 100% of the use cases if the search path extends to all of the user's data
[14:36] <apachelogger> though, the user might still have stuff on other partitions mounted to /music or something
[14:36] <apachelogger> so not even that would justify the removal :S
[14:41]  * ulysses__ just reported three bugs
[14:43]  * apachelogger is not seeing any of em
[14:44] <ulysses__> :)
[14:44] <apachelogger> srsly, nothing in my inbox
[14:44] <apachelogger> ulysses__: were they interesting ones?
[14:46] <ulysses__> two of them probably, kdeinit4 and akonadi_vcard_resource crash, the third is acpid crash
[14:48] <apachelogger> hm, nothing in my inbox still
[14:48] <apachelogger> gotta wait for my mails :D
[14:48] <apachelogger> and wait for amarok to finish building
[14:48] <apachelogger> markey: is that any faster with gold?
[14:57] <apachelogger> yay
[14:57] <apachelogger> I fixed a bug
[14:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I demand cookies!
[15:09] <Nightrose> ~order cookies for apachelogger
[15:09] <Nightrose> Oo
[15:09] <apachelogger> oh right
[15:09] <apachelogger> good thing I am at home :D
[15:09]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger some cookies herself if the bot is too lazy
[15:10] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx
[15:10] <apachelogger> jussi01: btw, whatever happened to jussi01.com?
[15:10] <apachelogger> ssh: connect to host jussi01.com port 22: No route to host
[15:33] <kiaoss> hi, i am a new kubuntu user
[15:33] <apachelogger> welcome kiaoss
[15:34] <kiaoss> i have a problem
[15:34] <kiaoss> about auto mounting partitions
[15:34] <apachelogger> support usually happens in #kubuntu :)
[15:34] <kiaoss> thanks but
[15:35] <kiaoss> it doesn't solve my problem
[15:35] <kiaoss> actually i want to say you
[15:35] <kiaoss> partition step at setup, is complicated
[15:36] <kiaoss> please do easier it
[15:36] <kiaoss> i used pardus in past,
[15:36] <kiaoss> and its setup steps are easier than kubuntu
[15:37] <kiaoss> i hope you interest my ideas
[15:37] <kiaoss> goood by
[15:56] <ghostcube> guys the printer applet drives me crazy it keeps crashing at startup is there anything known
[15:58] <ghostcube> gah wrong channel
[15:58] <amik> dunno about that, but it reminds me - the printer configuration tabs have some alignment issues - when u go through to the last tab (which requires lots of scrolling down), then back to the first tab - the long vertical size remains, requiring lots of spaced-out scrolling even for the several-lines dialog page
[15:59] <ghostcube> hmm i dont even know what the applet is doing
[15:59] <ghostcube> i do my config by cups web admin
[16:00] <ghostcube> i use the tree view in systemsettings
[16:00] <ghostcube> like in kde3
[16:00] <ghostcube> do oyu mean systemsettings printer ?
[16:01] <amik> tep
[16:01] <amik> yep
[16:01] <amik> I haven't had a chance to check this on karmic though, but it's very annoying on jaunty
[16:02] <ghostcube> hmm dont see this here but the apllet gets me crazy since karmic
[16:02] <ghostcube> apport always tells me its crashing on startup
[16:02] <ghostcube> no idea how to disable it
[16:04] <amik> just cheked - the bug is still present in karmic
[16:05] <amik> if u select a printer, select the 'job options' tab', then back to the 'settings' tab, u get the settings tab content smeared over a huge scrollable vertical space
[16:05] <ghostcube> not here
[16:06] <ghostcube> i use bespin  and compiz and tree mode in systemettings
[16:06] <ghostcube> o.O
[16:06] <ghostcube> what grafic card are you running is this maybe an xserver error
[16:07] <amik> it doesn't happen in tree view!
[16:07] <ghostcube> ah ok
[16:07] <amik> (just checked)
[16:09] <amik> correction: it does happen also in tree view, but when clicking the options tab rather than job options. maybe I got them mixed up. but I'm still seeing the bug.
[16:11] <amik> yep - when leaving the Options tab, the scroll bar remains and stretches the other tabs out. if u then select the job options tab, for example, u get a scrollbar within a scrollbar
[16:20] <ghostcube> amik: hmm i cant get this bug here
[16:20] <ghostcube> dont know
[16:20] <ghostcube> i have some other strange bugs since karmic
[16:21] <ghostcube> :D
[16:21] <Quintasan> hiho
[16:21] <ghostcube> hi
[16:22] <amik> when u go to the options tab, does a scroll bar appear on the right?
[16:22] <amik> maybe u just have a printer with very few options :-)
[16:23] <ghostcube> hmm i have no scroll bar in options
[16:23] <ghostcube> only in jobs
[16:23] <amik> that's probably why u don't see the bug...
[16:23] <amik> I have a scrollbar appear there (lots of options), and it doesn't go away when returning to other tabs, but instead it stretches their content
[16:24] <ghostcube> hmm ok
[16:24] <ghostcube> the printer apllet thing is not new as it seems
[16:24] <ghostcube> many complains about it
[16:24] <ghostcube> but my webcam  not working bug is stressy
[16:24] <ghostcube> -_-
[16:24] <ghostcube> uvc driver is messed up
[16:25] <Mamarok> oh, apachelogger, so sorry, was afk
[16:25] <Mamarok> !cookie | apachelogger
[16:27] <ghostcube> who had the idea to set the default font size to 8
[16:27] <ghostcube> minuscookie
[16:27] <ghostcube> :D
[16:28] <Quintasan> urgh, anyone wants to fix PackageKit in Shaman?
[16:35] <apachelogger> shaman?
[16:35] <apachelogger> isnt that like gentoo stuff?
[16:35] <apachelogger> or arch?
[16:35] <apachelogger> whatever it was
[16:35] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thx
[16:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: shaman2 is being developed with PK frontend
[16:36] <Quintasan> it's in kde playground
[16:36] <Quintasan> way better than KPK IMO
[16:36] <apachelogger> not that i understand this, but i would translate to duplicated effort
[16:36] <apachelogger> KDE likes duplication a lot it seems
[16:36] <apachelogger> ghostcube: go fix the printer applet
[16:37] <ghostcube> :P
[16:37] <Quintasan> well it's animu tiem for me now, my brain hurts from math
[16:37] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I should get started on the analysis homework
[16:37] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: shaman looks a bit like synaptic doesnt it?
[16:38] <Quintasan> yeah, it does
[16:38]  * apachelogger notes that synaptic, just like adept, is one gigantic bitch of unusable design decisions :P
[16:38] <Quintasan> I wanted to type, "but it's usable"
[16:38] <Quintasan> :D
[16:38] <apachelogger> there is a reason ubuntu created that app-install thingy
[16:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: define usable
[16:39] <Quintasan> are we going to write similar thing for KDE or we are sticking with KPK?
[16:39]  * apachelogger does not see where kpk fails to provide the install icon :P
[16:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I would suppose kpk gets a UI make over
[16:39]  * ghostcube loves synaptic
[16:39] <Quintasan> mhm
[16:39] <Lex79> me too
[16:39] <Quintasan> sounds interesting
[16:39] <apachelogger> actually, IIRC kpk got strong speration of libs and ui
[16:39] <ghostcube> the ui of synaptic isnt bad
[16:39] <Quintasan> maybe I will get pro skills in coding before 10.04
[16:39] <apachelogger> so one could probably stack just another UI on the kpk libs
[16:40] <Quintasan> WTF is with network manager
[16:40] <ulysses__> an user on the hungarian forum asked for software center in kubuntu, he couldn't find it (because there isn't:(
[16:40] <Quintasan> works on my post-update machine but on clean install it suddenly failed to connect
[16:40] <Quintasan> GRRR
[16:42] <apachelogger> ulysses__: send him to complain to mvo :P
[16:42]  * apachelogger kindly asked for UI/lib seperation but didn't get it yet
[16:42] <ulysses__> what is mvo?
[16:42] <apachelogger> not that I would be very interested in creating yet another phony app that is not half as good as it should be
[16:43] <apachelogger> ulysses__: michael vogt, the main author of the software center thingy
[16:43] <ulysses__> ah, thanks
[16:43] <apachelogger> oha
[16:43] <apachelogger> need to leave soonish
[16:43] <apachelogger> going back to graz
[16:43] <Lex79> apachelogger: MessagesQt.sh needs some "include /usr/share/cdbs/1...." in rules to working or just add pkg-kde-tools to build-deps ?
[16:44] <apachelogger> the latter
[16:44] <apachelogger> extraction is done manually in rules
[16:44] <Lex79> thanks
[16:44] <apachelogger> Lex79: why do you ask?
[16:44] <Lex79> merging qt 4.6
[16:44] <Lex79> :P
[16:44] <apachelogger> well
[16:44] <apachelogger> take a look at the diff
[16:45] <Lex79> ok, don't worry
[16:45] <apachelogger> Lex79: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/11
[16:45] <apachelogger> what is necessary for that stuff to work
[16:45] <Lex79> perfect
[16:45] <apachelogger> in fact, I even carefully documented it in the changelog :P
[16:46] <Lex79> yes, it's the reason I asked :P
[16:47] <apachelogger> Lex79: btw, you might want to check if KDE got a more up to date MessagesQt.sh while you are at it
[16:48] <apachelogger> that is one of the maintenance nightmares I hate most about the whole rosetta import crap
[16:48]  * ghostcube still is runing wicd cause network manager doesnt connect after upgrade
[16:48] <ghostcube> :)
[16:48] <apachelogger> well
[16:48] <apachelogger> gotta go
[16:48] <Lex79> apachelogger: where is MessaggeQt.sh in kde ?
[17:08] <Lex79> apachelogger: found
[17:09] <mcas> who is working on the kubuntu-docs?
[17:14] <Quintasan> oh god plz kill fglrx devels, each release is worse than previous one
[17:52] <Sput> that's why you use the xorg drivers :)
[18:43] <Air-Op> Hi, I put my Kubuntu 9.10 onto the USB drive, and grub comes up.  Kubuntu without installing doesn't come up, and can't get to to control-alt-fn-f2 other vts, memtest passed, integrity of the usb drive passed. 1gb ram
[18:44] <Air-Op> it's a blank screen
[18:54] <Air-Op> hurm, I can't figure out how to report the bug on launchpad
[18:59] <neversfelde> Air-Op: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:01] <Air-Op> neversfelde    launchpad 3.0 is differant than 2.0.. I could do it in 2.0
[19:02] <neversfelde> Air-Op: ?
[19:07] <Air-Op> neversfelde: , When I go to launchpad and click report bug, it takes me to that faq
[19:07] <Air-Op> I see no way to report a bug using the web interface
[19:08] <Air-Op> I'm using another computer to gain network access while that computer is down..
[19:09] <smarter> actually there is a way, you need to add a parameter to the URL, can't remember it though
[19:10] <smarter> there it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[19:10] <smarter> Air-Op: ^
[19:10] <smarter> it's indicated in the page mentioned by neversfelde btw :p
[19:15] <Air-Op> smarter:   that  one gives me an error when I hit continue, something about edge server being slow.
[19:16] <Air-Op> Basically,  I got the usb boot disk working,,  but both the "try kubuntu without a"   and the Install kubuntu    just go to blank screens.  The integrity of the usb thumb drive and the memory pass
[19:36] <ScottK> Air-Op: I had that happen a few times, but then trying again seemed to work.
[19:41] <Air-Op> ScottK: , I've tried 2 or 3 times, will try more... also tried different boot order
[19:42] <ScottK> No idea for sure, just saying because it fails once doesn't mean it will fail everytime.  If you've tried two or three times already, then it's probably something else.
[19:42] <Air-Op> cannot mount /dev/loop1 on /cow
[19:42] <Air-Op> This time I hit escape
[19:43] <Air-Op> when the loading bar was up.. and that's what I'm left with
[19:45] <Air-Op> stdin error0 all over the place
[19:47] <amik> can anyone explain why a disk-intensive process (backuppc) causes the desktop to become unresponsive on a quad-core 4g box? where is the contention here? on what resource?
[20:13] <ScottK> amik: I don't know why, but I sure know I'd like it fixed.
[20:14] <amik> any idea who/what is responsible for it? kde? ubuntu? debian? kernel?
[20:16] <ScottK> No.  I'd start by looking at iotop and see what's pulling down all the op
[20:16] <ScottK> op/io
[20:16] <amik> what's op?
[20:18] <ScottK> io
[20:18] <ScottK> op was a type
[20:18] <ScottK> type/typo
[20:20] <amik> well I know what the io is when this happens - backuppc in its daily run, or firefox whenever I close it (10 seconds of disk activity at least), etc. what I don't know is why the desktop becomes unresponsive when that happens
[20:22] <ScottK> I get the same thing when pbuilder is starting.
[20:22] <ScottK> So I guess the trick is to find out what's being blocked.
[20:22] <ScottK> Not sure how to that.
[20:25] <amik> any devs here to help out?
[21:20] <apachelogger> amik: that really sounds like a hardware problem
[21:20] <apachelogger> at the very most a driver problem (hd driver most likely)
[21:20] <apachelogger> in either case you have a bottle neck of some kind, software caused or due to inter-hardware incompability
[21:21] <apachelogger> other than that I can't think of any reason that would cause this
[21:21] <apachelogger> oh well, graphics driver could also be at fault ... hard to say if X locks due to io blocking or due to driver almost craping out :D
[21:25] <apachelogger> that sudo vs. kdesudo/gksudo crap is starting to annoy me
[21:25] <apachelogger> next bug report about that gets a RTFM
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> http://scrolli.com/image.aspx?id=155
[21:28] <apachelogger> and that pic gets attached to 'em nasty reports
[21:30] <Nightrose> uhmmmm i'm probably dumb but wth do i set the wallpaper in karmic?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> right click desktop -> desktop settings
[21:30] <Nightrose> nope
[21:30] <Nightrose> not there
[21:31] <Nightrose> and it's not in systemsettings either
[21:31] <Nightrose> at least i can't find it
[21:31] <apachelogger> missing package
[21:32] <Nightrose> oh damn I'm stupid
[21:32] <Nightrose> nvm
[21:32] <apachelogger> probably the desktop file is in some -data package that did not get installed
[21:32]  * JontheEchidna was about to paste pic :P
[21:32] <apachelogger> that is why I dont like them darn -data packages to include .desktop files
[21:32] <apachelogger> oha
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/I5hFLfGU.html
[21:32]  * apachelogger hears rammstein
[21:32] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: still it removed my slideshow
[21:32] <Nightrose> which is not so nice
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> :(
[21:32]  * apachelogger turns up the volume and goes down stairs for some tea
[21:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also want a cup?///////
[21:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: always
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> if only the plasma guys could be as good as the konvi guys about config upgrades
[21:33] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: :(
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> plasma method is "don't care"
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> konvi method is "don't release until a potential obscure config upgrade bug, encountered while upgrading from KDE3 versions is investigated/fixed"
[21:33]  * Nightrose pokes the Long Pointy Stick Of Dooooooooom(TM) in plasma's direction
[21:34] <Nightrose> it's not a huge problem but it still sucks
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> kopete fails too, the new MSN plugin for 4.3 uses new config and they never wrote an upgrade script. MSN apparently does not store contact lists server side
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> what with M$ being big on p2p stuffs I suppose
[21:35] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:35] <Nightrose> msn seems to have gone fine here
[21:35] <Nightrose> probably beause of previous upgrade
[21:35]  * Nightrose loves contact pictures in kopete now
[21:36] <Nightrose> i'd have loved to have that turned on earlier but it was impossible to use because the images were too big to be usable with more than a few contacts
[21:36] <Nightrose> but now it's lovely
[21:36] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:38]  * apachelogger comes back with a cup of good night tea for Nightrose and apachelogger and a cup of irish breakfast tea for JontheEchidna
[21:38] <Nightrose> yay
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> yum
[21:38] <Nightrose> :*
[21:38]  * apachelogger also came to wonder where the german flat mate dood is
[21:38] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:38] <apachelogger> I am all alone, kinda scary :S
[21:38] <Nightrose> i'm not alone -> more scary
[21:39] <apachelogger> you are not?
[21:39] <Nightrose> nope - flatmate is in the room next door
[21:39] <apachelogger> I see
[21:39] <apachelogger> also a german dood?
[21:39] <Nightrose> jep
[21:39] <Nightrose> as german as it gets
[21:40]  * apachelogger notes that german doods are the best flatmates since they are so easy to mess around without them even noticing
[21:40] <Nightrose> lol
[21:41] <apachelogger> mhhh
[21:41] <Nightrose> bah and kickoff is changing tabs only on click again
[21:41] <apachelogger> moby in the amarok
[21:41]  * Nightrose grumbles
[21:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think we like changed it to that
[21:42] <Nightrose> that might be but i set it to not do that cause i hate it
[21:42] <Nightrose> so it should pretty please leave it ;-)
[21:42] <apachelogger> anyhow ... much more important ... I got an exam tomorrow and am not prepared at all
[21:42] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:43] <apachelogger> though it is more than pointless really
[21:43] <Nightrose> same for "showapplication by name"
[21:43] <Nightrose> pretty please don't touch it if i set it kthxby
[21:43] <apachelogger> well
[21:43] <apachelogger> KDE would have messed up :P
[21:44] <apachelogger> I think we have set it to switch-on-click for like 3 releases
[21:44] <Nightrose> i know...
[21:44] <Nightrose> still don't like it
[21:44] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:45] <Nightrose> and i don't like having to set it again on every upgrade
[21:46]  * apachelogger is wondering why there is no analysis lecture tomorrow
[21:46] <Nightrose> besides all this ranting: karmic is lovely
[21:46]  * Nightrose orders cookies for everyone
[21:46] <jjesse> can mine be gluten free?
[21:46] <Nightrose> sure
[21:47] <jjesse> thanks ;)
[21:47] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> I've seen a lot less negativity in the intertubes than with previous releases
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> we must be doing something less sucky ;-)
[21:47] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:47] <jjesse> is it that bad?
[21:47] <apachelogger> top question for exam tomorrow "what does IEEE and ACM stand for, and what do they do"
[21:47] <jjesse> 9.10 is bad is what people are complaning about?
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> they're not, which is good
[21:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would sure hope so
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> means people are fairly happy and not mad enough to bitch :D
[21:48] <Nightrose> lol
[21:49] <jjesse> oh read it wrong
[21:50] <apachelogger> lol, another very likely question for tomorrow "CIA, is not only an intelligence service, what else does it mean?"
[21:50] <apachelogger> if all em nasty questions are going to be that shabby...
[21:52]  * apachelogger is listening to Y.M.C.A.
[21:57] <jjesse> what test are you taking?
[21:59] <apachelogger> basically, about what study subjects I will have
[22:01] <apachelogger> the lecture was that the whole study was broken down into parts and then you'd here what each part was about
[22:01]  * apachelogger does not really grasp the point though
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> yay for executables being obscure wrappers around others without an obvious dependency \o/ bug 468430
[22:02] <apachelogger> what is kdesnake anyway :P
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> ktron made more like gnibbles
[22:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Replaces: ktron (<< 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu2)
[22:03] <apachelogger> Conflicts: ktron (<< 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu2)
[22:03] <apachelogger> not that I knew gnibbles :P
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> kdesnake appears to be a wrapper around ktron that gives a different set of settings to send it into KSnake mode
[22:05] <apachelogger> I suppose the replaces, conflicts is wrong then?
[22:05] <apachelogger> any code stuff that needs fixing
[22:05]  * apachelogger is in mood for a good night hack :P
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please also invite Nightrose
[22:07] <apachelogger> and while you are at it ... make me able to invite peeps :P
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> debfx: ping
[22:10] <debfx> JontheEchidna: pong
[22:10] <Riddell> hmm, I thought I felt someone poking me with a laser screwdriver around midday
[22:10] <Riddell> that would have been apachelogger
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> who would have sonic? :D
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> debfx: hi, apparently the kmix maintainer wants to do a better OSD
[22:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: me too
[22:11]  * apachelogger had to get a new laser one
[22:11] <apachelogger> it appears to me I lend my other one to someone
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> debfx: Dario_Andres in #plasma can hook you up with him if you'd like to collab
[22:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently the custom search thingy is completely broken
[22:13] <Riddell> custom search thingy?
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> google partner search 403's
[22:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 468458
[22:13] <apachelogger> and no one seems to have access to the management thingy
[22:13] <apachelogger> which is an even greater issue
[22:14] <Riddell> management thingy?
[22:14] <apachelogger> the management UI
[22:14] <apachelogger> for the parnter search
[22:14] <Riddell> management UI for what?
[22:14] <apachelogger> the google partner search
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: basically canonical doods handed jr a url, I think that's all the involvement he had
[22:14] <Riddell> why would we have access to that?  it's controlled somewhere deep on canonical's business department
[22:15] <apachelogger> hm
[22:15] <apachelogger> you know
[22:15] <apachelogger> I dont like that :P
[22:15] <Riddell> the canonical webmaster handed me a URL which he got from someone deeper in the dept
[22:15] <Riddell> and I do confirm it's broken, that's really not acceptable
[22:15] <apachelogger> leads to one hand doesnt know what the other does
[22:15] <apachelogger> clearly the workflow here is broken, if we don't even know who exactly is responsible :S
[22:16] <Riddell> I think we all know what we're doing but something is broken
[22:16] <apachelogger> yeah, but out of our control
[22:17] <Riddell> I wonder if I have a phone number for newz2000, it's sunday so he's probably doing christian things
[22:17] <Riddell> anyone know when this started?
[22:17] <Riddell> do we have a beastie number?
[22:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Before release.
[22:18] <Nightrose> bug 468458
[22:18] <Riddell> ScottK: damn, I'm sure I checked it
[22:18]  * apachelogger did not check TBH :)
[22:19] <apachelogger> didnt even know that it was implemented
[22:19] <Riddell> it was announced in here loudly, but only for people around at the time
[22:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I revised the structure now we have usr-share-kde4/ in kubuntu-default-settings for stuff that goes to /usr/share/kde4 ... such as search providers
[22:19] <apachelogger> seemed more scalable to me :)
[22:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe, we should emphaise mailing list usage, stuff gets lost way too easy here
[22:20] <apachelogger> ...also with time zones and stuff...
[22:21] <apachelogger> unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000008
[22:21] <apachelogger> 0-pointer dereferences are evil I have been told
[22:22] <Riddell> I got down to 32 unread e-mails before the weekend, now it's up to 256, which at least is an equally geeky number
[22:22] <apachelogger> lol
[22:22] <Riddell> well answerphone message left on newz2000's phone, if we don't get this sorted by tomorrow we'll revert it
[22:22] <apachelogger> k
[22:23] <amik> apachelogger: so u think the io problem is a driver issue? what can I check? nobody else has display lags when there's lots of disk activity?
[22:23] <apachelogger> nope
[22:23] <apachelogger> amik: well, it can be a driver problem
[22:23] <apachelogger> in fact there are multiple options
[22:24] <apachelogger> amik: as google for a how to on IO analysis
[22:24] <apachelogger> that stuff is actually quite complicate, so find the actual issue should be quite time consuming :S
[22:24] <apachelogger> computing is evil
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I can't find the bug.
[22:25] <Riddell> ScottK: for what?
[22:25] <ScottK> For the Google search thingy being broken
[22:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you get the google doc invite
[22:25] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/bugs/468458
[22:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: Nightrose already got it covered :P
[22:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: jep - didn't look at it yet
[22:26] <Nightrose> \o/
[22:26] <Nightrose> very good
[22:26] <Nightrose> ah nope
[22:26]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose with a screwdriver
[22:26] <Nightrose> that's not the way i wanted it :D
[22:26] <Nightrose> damn :P
[22:26] <amik> apachelogger: but if it's a general k/ubuntu issue, it's pretty bad... unresponsive desktops are a no-no
[22:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: any timeline?
[22:26] <apachelogger> amik: at the very best it's a graphics driver problem
[22:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have similar symptoms to what amik describes when I fire up pbuilder.
[22:27] <apachelogger> goes down to IO-device driver problem
[22:27] <apachelogger> and worst would be some bottle neck on hardware layer
[22:27] <ScottK> I swear I filed a bug about this before the release, but I can't find it now.
[22:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is because pbuilder also does decompressiong which diggs into the cpu
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I duped it an hour ago or so
[22:27] <apachelogger> plain disk access should not cause unrepsonsiveness
[22:28] <amik> apachelogger: I'm still not sure how a graphics driver with lots of free ram and cpu comes to a halt when disk is used... but having nvidia drivers, it should be pretty easy for someone else to confirm this
[22:28] <apachelogger> amik: the driver locks X not anything else
[22:28] <apachelogger> that can be caused by loads of things
[22:28] <ScottK> Right.  There it is: Bug #460764 reported by Scott Kitterman on 2009-10-25
[22:28] <apachelogger> amik: but I would look into IO first
[22:28] <apachelogger> much more likely problem
[22:29] <apachelogger> long disk waits for example could cause unresponsiveness because IO tasks pile up
[22:30] <amik> I don't think cpu activity (compression in ScottK's case) has anything to do with it. when I fully utilize the cpus, the desktop is light as a feather. just the darn disk...
[22:31] <apachelogger> well cpu activity != (decompression == disk read + disk write + cpu activity)
[22:32] <apachelogger> in fact I would suppose linux even finds some way to fill up RAM by decompression
[22:32] <apachelogger> anyway
[22:32] <apachelogger> amik: find some hardware dood
[22:33] <apachelogger> amik: does CPU usage go up when the system becomes unresponsive?
[22:47] <amik> apachelogger: I tried to have a look while this happens (every day), which is hard because of the unresponsiveness, but I never saw a real peak. I'm on a quad core, and shutting down firefox doesn't max it out...
[22:48] <amik> I was hoping there are devs here with more in-depth knowledge of what's going on beneath, that's why I'm here :-)
[22:48] <amik> not that you haven't been very helpful ;-)