[00:03] <RenatoSilva> spiv: sorry
[00:04] <RenatoSilva> http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4526/nobrown.png
[00:04]  * popey likes brown too
[00:04] <popey> just, y'know, sayin' :)
[00:06]  * RenatoSilva wonders if it's related to Europe
[00:07]  * wgrant is in .au.
[00:07] <wgrant> So no!
[00:10] <RenatoSilva> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth#Why%20is%20the%20default%20desktop%20in%20Ubuntu%20BROWN?
[00:13]  * RenatoSilva wonders whether crashing applications bleed
[00:59] <CarlFK> a while go someone said multi release PPA uploads were coming soon - has soon happened yet?
[00:59] <wgrant> CarlFK: No.
[01:01] <CarlFK> until then, is there a convention for how to do it?
[01:01] <CarlFK> seems like i have to bump the version number
[01:01] <wgrant> Append ~hardy1, ~intrepid1, etc.
[06:35] <lifeless> wgrant: you can copy binaries between PPA's right?
[06:35] <wgrant> lifeless: Sure.
[06:36] <lifeless> thanks
[06:36] <lifeless> do you know if the arch list is checked?
[06:36] <wgrant> It's not.
[06:36] <wgrant> It will blindly copy all binaries.
[06:37] <wgrant> If the target archive supports additional archs (ie. is non-virtual), new builds should be created for the extra archs.
[06:40] <lifeless> cool
[06:40] <wgrant> (note that all archs are published in a virtual PPA; the non-virt archs just normally don't have arch-specific binaries in them)
[06:40] <lifeless> thanks
[08:31] <mwhudson> are there any working key servers currently?
[08:31] <mwhudson> pool.sks-keyservers.net isn't talking to me
[08:35] <wgrant> mwhudson: It's a pool. It can't not talk to you! Make sure you're using the right port.
[08:36] <mwhudson> gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv $fingerprint
[08:36] <mwhudson> it's not on a special port is it?
[08:37] <wgrant> It's on 11371, but that should be the default.
[09:01] <mdke> mwhudson: not sure if it's related but people have been complaining a lot about keyservers not synching on bug 435193
[09:01] <mdke> (just fyi)
[09:02] <mwhudson> gpg: requesting key 09827771 from hkp server pool.sks-keyservers.net
[09:02] <mwhudson> gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: Failed to connect to 2001:470:1f05:429:420:420:420:420: Network is unreachable
[09:02] <mwhudson> mdke: hmm
[11:51] <falktx> can anyone tell me why do I upload packages but they don't appear on my ppa?
[11:52] <noodles775> falktx: are you getting any response email (success, failure) after 5 mins.
[11:52] <bigjools> falktx: did you get any email about your upload?
[11:52] <falktx> no mail
[11:52] <falktx> but upload is sucessful
[11:52] <falktx> i've tried many settings now
[11:52]  * bigjools thinks about creating a FAQ for this
[11:53] <bigjools> falktx: no email means you either didn't sign the upload or signed with a key not known to Launchpad
[11:53] <noodles775> (it's mentioned in the first para at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors)
[11:54] <falktx> i have 3 keys registered for my ppa
[11:54] <falktx> do i need to sign using the original one, or any of the 3 is fine?
[11:54] <noodles775> any of the 3 should be fine... hrm.
[11:55] <bigjools> you mean registered for a user?
[11:56] <falktx> see my page - ~falk-t-j
[12:06] <falktx> i think my 3rd fingerprint is not registered yet
[12:06] <falktx> maybe that's the problem
[12:07] <falktx> will upload again now
[12:10] <falktx> yay
[12:10] <falktx> works now
[12:11] <falktx> thanks bigjools for pointing that out
[12:39] <apw> does anyone know why Lucid is appearing at the bottom of the versions table (oldest) instead of the top (newest) ?? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[12:40] <wgrant> apw: Bug 464014
[12:40] <apw> oh 10.10 ... heh
[12:41] <wgrant> 10.04, but yes.
[12:41] <apw> doh ... yeah
[13:50] <rdb> Hum, what if someone is using a username on launchpad that I'd like to have, and that person has not used launchpad ever?
[13:52] <rdb> do usernames expire, or should I contact the user and ask if he'd like to change his uername
[13:52] <beuno> rdb, I would start by contacting the user
[13:52] <rdb> k, thanks
[15:18] <kirkland> how do i unsubscribe a team i administer from a given package's bugs
[15:26] <rdb> Lol? http://pro-rsoft.com/screens/launchpad-question.png
[15:27] <rdb> (that happens when I click my email address verify link, btw
[15:27] <rdb> seems like a bug
[15:33] <bac> rdb: that is a bug.  could you go to http://launchpad.net/launchpad and file it?  it would be great if you could add the screenshot as an attachment
[15:34] <james_w`> kirkland: go to the package page and click "Subscribe to bug mail"
[15:34] <kirkland> james_w`: got it, thanks!
[15:34] <rdb> bac, sure thing
[15:46] <rdb> bac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/471171
[16:19] <bac> rdb:  thanks!
[16:20] <bac> rockstar: you aren't really CHR today are you?
[16:22] <rockstar> bac, no sir.  I think gmb is.
[16:23] <bac> rockstar: ok, i just was looking at the topi
[16:23] <bac> topic
[16:23] <bac> mrjazzcat: ping
[16:23] <mrjazzcat> bac: hi Brad.
[16:30] <apw> intellectronica, yo ... remember we were talking about nominations for per package uploaders ... that seems to still be broken
[16:31] <rockstar> apw, intellectronica is unavailable currently.
[16:32] <apw> rockstar, ok ta
[16:51] <c_korn> hello, I have a question about the gpg key. I use a gpg key to sign my packages so I can upload them to my PPA. I recently added a new email address to my gpg key and synced with the keyserver (the getdeb address http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x0F16B5FC859F3940230248D2DD6DF71C412D1685&op=index ) but when I sign a package with this new address and upload I just do not get an email and the package does not appear in the ppa. I wait
[16:51] <c_korn> ed for a few days now.
[16:53] <bigjools> c_korn: did you tell LP about your new email address?
[16:56] <c_korn> bigjools: oh, didn't know I also have to do this. thanks.
[16:57] <bigjools> c_korn: yes, it won't email people it doesn't know about, to avoid spam
[17:06] <c_korn> bigjools: makes sense :) and I just got my mail that the package has been accepted. thanks
[17:06] <bigjools> great
[18:31] <micahg1> are the Ubuntu IRC channels offline?
[18:31] <micahg1> nevermind...
[20:47] <MenZa> I'm trying to subscribe to the ~ubuntuone-users mailing list, but it's throwing me an Oops!. I suspect it's my merged account, which also keeps me from changing my e-mails.
[20:48] <mwhudson> MenZa: suck
[20:48] <mwhudson> MenZa: what's the oops id?
[20:48] <MenZa> mwhudson: OOPS-1402ED689
[20:49]  * MenZa didn't know ubottu parsed oops IDs like bugs.
[20:49] <mwhudson> ConstraintNotSatisfied: <security proxied canonical.launchpad.database.emailaddress.EmailAddress instance at 0x1021fdd0>
[20:49] <mwhudson> well _that's_ helpful
[20:49] <MenZa> well, I can give you some background information
[20:49] <MenZa> I had an account with the e-mail lasse@havelund.org. this was merged into my current, ~lhavelund, with e-mail lasse.havelund@gmail.com
[20:50] <MenZa> so I'm thinking it's screaming because of a bad database correction and freaks out because it doesn't know which to use, or something to that effect
[20:50] <mwhudson> well maybe
[20:50] <MenZa> I get OOPS (oopses?) when I try to +editemails as well.
[20:50] <mwhudson> that definitely shouldn't break anything though
[20:50] <mwhudson> sinzui: do you know anything about MenZa's problem?
[20:51] <MenZa> Someone reported issues with merged accounts and U1 as well in an ubuntuone-client bug, iirc.
[20:51] <MenZa> so something tells me merging isn't too good
[20:52] <MenZa> (not an *error*, just inaccessible files in that case)
[20:52]  * sinzui looks
[20:53]  * sinzui has not seen anything like this since Account were separated from Person and there were users without a primary email address
[20:53] <MenZa> hmm
[20:53] <MenZa> bug report time?
[20:53]  * MenZa bites lip.
[20:54] <sinzui> MenZa: but looking the death in the MailingList code, I wonder if you are a member of a dead team.
[20:54] <mwhudson> MenZa: hm, i only see one email addy on your profile, i would expect to see two
[20:54] <sinzui> barry: what do you think about https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1402ED689
[20:54] <MenZa> sinzui: hmm
[20:54] <sinzui> oh login
[20:54] <sinzui> MenZa: did you just register?
[20:55] <MenZa> sinzui: no, my ~menza account is from 2005, and ~lhavelund which it was merged into, was created 2--3 weeks ago
[20:55] <sinzui> I think the merge broke something...
[20:55] <MenZa> seems like it, heh
[20:55] <sinzui> ~lhavelund should not be accessible if you merged
[20:56] <MenZa> ~lhavelund is the new account - ~menza is the old account
[20:57] <mwhudson> sinzui: i bet ~menza was subscribed to a mailing list with an EmailAddress that somehow isn't validated for ~lhavelund
[20:57] <sinzui> mwhudson: I am not sure since validation does not work with users, it is a state on the address, once transfered, it is still the same object
[20:58] <sinzui> barry: ping
[20:58] <MenZa> mwhudson: That is correct - my old e-mail address is not validated, as I cannot +editemails. I get an oops there as well. Want an ID?
[20:59] <MenZa> OOPS-1402EB708
[20:59] <MenZa> That's the one ^
[20:59] <mwhudson> MenZa: i think that's more or less the same problem
[21:00]  * MenZa nods
[21:00] <MenZa> I figured it would be
[21:00] <MenZa> I've just been too lazy to report a bug (sorry D:)
[21:01] <sinzui> I think the issue is that a list was deactivated, or someone performed DB surgery to give its email address to some other user, and that broken the DB
[21:01] <mwhudson> yeah, it's a data issue not a code issue
[21:01] <mwhudson> it seems
[21:01] <MenZa> well that's good
[21:01] <sinzui> We really need barry to answer this since he has the experience of what he had to do to fix the damage
[21:01] <MenZa> I suppose
[21:02] <MenZa> It's nothing urgent - I can wait.
[21:02] <MenZa> Thanks muchly for your help thus far.
[21:02] <MenZa> !helpersnack | sinzui, mwhudson
[21:05] <sinzui> Wow, that query to fine mailing lists for your teams should be optimised
[22:53] <thrope> hi - i accidently subscribed to a bug when I did an automatic bug report on a new 9.10 install and now im inundated with updates/duplicates... i've been trying to unsubscribe for about 4 days but I cant log in to launchpad without errors
[22:53] <thrope> on most of the tickets there isnt even an indication of the ticket i subscribed to
[22:53] <thrope> has launchpad been down for several days?
[22:54] <wgrant> thrope: No. It has been very much up. What goes wrong when you try to log in?
[22:54] <thrope> timeout error
[22:54] <thrope> oh actually i am logged in - it is just the links in the emails that time out
[22:54] <wgrant> Ah. What is the link?
[22:54] <thrope> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/417842
[22:55] <thrope> in my profile i can see list of subscribed bugs
[22:55] <thrope> how can i unsubscribe from that one
[22:55] <MenZa> actually, it does so here on bugs.edge
[22:55] <thrope> (Error ID: OOPS-1402D3725)
[22:55] <wgrant> Must be a big bug.
[22:56] <wgrant> I wonder if it's typing out due to the absolutely ridiculous number of duplicates.
[22:56] <wgrant> Er. timing out.
[22:56] <thrope> so is there any way i can stop the emails?
[22:56] <thrope> i'm getting 20 or so an hour
[22:56] <wgrant> thrope: To unsubscribe, add '/+subscribe' to the end of the URL.
[22:56] <mwhudson> the time out is somewhere in the subscription stuff
[22:57] <thrope> wgrant: brilliant - i think that worked!
[22:57] <wgrant> Probably calculating subscribers from the duplicates.
[22:57] <thrope> althoguht looks like its timing out again
[22:58] <wgrant> Yeah, that bug has 337 duplicates.
[22:58] <wgrant> It's probably timing out calculating the subscribers for all of those.
[22:59] <wgrant> Hm.
[22:59] <wgrant> No, that can't be right.
[22:59] <wgrant> The subscribers list is loaded asynchronously.
[23:00] <mwhudson> wgrant: nevertheless, i think you might be right
[23:00] <mwhudson>    - /srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad-rev-8539/lib/lp/bugs/browser/../templates/bug-portlet-subscribers.pt
[23:00] <mwhudson>    - Line 11, Column 4
[23:01] <wgrant> mwhudson: Ah, probably hunting through all the subscriptions of all of the bugs anyway, just to discover whether it needs to render a Subscribe or an Unsubscribe link...
[23:01] <wgrant> Sad.
[23:01] <mwhudson> wgrant: oh could be
[23:02] <mwhudson> something is odd though, the reported sql time is only 2 seconds
[23:02] <wgrant> And I suppose there's no breakdown of Python time.
[23:02] <mwhudson> well i think the report is probably lying
[23:08] <mwhudson> thrope: did you manage to unsubscribe
[23:08] <mwhudson> ?
[23:10] <thrope> no - it timed out
[23:10] <mwhudson> hm
[23:10] <mwhudson> the +subscribe page loaded for me
[23:11] <mwhudson> thrope: what was the oops the second time?
[23:11] <mwhudson> thrope: might be worth trying again
[23:11] <wgrant> It will redirect after the POST to the page that times out, but it should have actually unsubscribed you.
[23:11] <thrope> the first page came up very quick with the button to unsubscribe
[23:11] <wgrant> If you return to the page, does it instead ask you to subscribe?
[23:11] <mwhudson> oh right
[23:11] <thrope> but after clicking it timed out
[23:11] <mwhudson> thrope: you're probably unsubscribed then
[23:11] <thrope> and in my profile its still listed as a subscription
[23:11] <mwhudson> oh really?
[23:11] <mwhudson> hm
[23:12] <wgrant> Oh.
[23:12] <wgrant> That will execute another big query.
[23:12] <wgrant> Very similar to the other one, to attempt to unsubscribe you from all dupes.
[23:12] <thrope> I'll try again
[23:12] <thrope> ah it worked this time!
[23:12] <wgrant> Excellent.
[23:13] <wgrant> Normal bugs work fine. But this bug is in no way normal :(
[23:13] <thrope> thanks alot... sorry for the trouble
[23:13] <thrope> yes i think its overzealous automatic reporting
[23:13] <thrope> i got the error coming back from resume and thought id try the automatic reporter
[23:13] <wgrant> It doesn't help that the automatic reporting was automatically turned back on the Jaunty->Karmic upgrade.
[23:13] <wgrant> But that has now been fixed.
[23:36] <ebroder> Is there a better place to talk about launchpadlib, or is this it?