[00:37] <iWolf[Ubuntu]> Im going to reboot, so everyone im helping, be patient [AMSG]
[01:12] <zsquareplusc> that thing that shows the notifications in the top right corner is the indicator-applet? i need to report a bug and want to pick the right package
[01:15] <MsMaco> zsquareplusc:  the bubbles are notify-osd, the thing on the panel is indicator-applet
[01:16] <lifeless> zsquareplusc: note that indicator-applet is just a container
[01:16] <lifeless> there are individual things that plug into it; so don't stress too much about where the bug is filed
[01:16] <zsquareplusc> ok, so notify-osd is responsible to hide the messages when the mouse is near
[01:17] <lifeless> zsquareplusc: yes, or fade when you have compiz on
[01:17] <zsquareplusc> it is hiding the notifications when i move the mouse to the second display which is unfortunate
[01:17] <lifeless> notify-osd
[01:30] <zsquareplusc> hm i get a lot of bug and crashes with Karmic :( now ubuntu-one has crashed
[02:09] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: have any idea why my laptop mic isn't recognized?
[02:32] <formerguest> Hi I just got a launchpad account and I'm gonna report yet another screen resolution bug.  Me and someone else in #ubuntu have exactly the same problem and we can't fix it with the info that the bot sends to the noobs.
[02:34] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: seriously, I need more context.
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: in the audio preferences... i go into input.. but only "internal audio analog stereo" is in there and it's not receiving any sound from my laptop mic
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: not muted
[02:38] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: please use "ubuntu-bug alsa-base"
[02:38] <dtchen> I really can't debug vague descriptions, sorry ;)
[02:39] <bcurtiswx> i wouldn't know what to say to make it a better description
[02:39] <dtchen> and that's why I asked you for a bug report ;)
[02:42] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: yuppers.. link shortly
[02:48] <bcurtiswx> hmm, dtchen: apparently others with HP laptops are having issues with internal speakers and mic....
[02:48] <syn-ack> bcurtiswx, Im not
[02:49] <bcurtiswx> syn-ack: Pavilion DV?
[02:49] <syn-ack> G-50
[02:49] <bcurtiswx> if i could only remember my exact computer model
[02:50] <MsMaco> its not on the bottom?
[02:50] <bcurtiswx> ah
[02:50] <bcurtiswx> noo
[02:50] <syn-ack> I have straight up Intel for everything but the wlan card
[02:50] <bcurtiswx> its hidden
[02:50] <bcurtiswx> but i found it
[02:50] <bcurtiswx> dv7
[02:51] <dtchen> never, ever triage by manufacturer and model
[02:51] <dtchen> it's a recipe for madness
[02:51] <dtchen> *always* look at the codec and lspci -nv
[02:51] <dtchen> and, in some cases, dmidecode
[02:53] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: you mention in one bug like my problem to try out linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic ... whats in there.. just wondering.. im gonna try it right now
[02:54] <bcurtiswx> hmm, that package doesn't exist
[02:54] <dtchen> it's linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic, actually. I probably mistyped it in that comment.
[02:54] <bcurtiswx> generic does th
[02:54] <bcurtiswx> o
[02:55] <dtchen> that package contains a snapshot of alsa-driver stable from 20091012
[02:55] <dtchen> (it's newer than 1.0.21a)
[02:56] <dtchen> so you need that for just about all new HP dv series, all new Dell, all new eeePC, etc.
[02:56] <dtchen> I, err, blogged about it.
[02:56]  * micahg1 saw that, installed, and alsa was happy :)
[02:56] <bcurtiswx> require a computer restart?
[02:56] <dtchen> yes
[02:57] <bcurtiswx> k brb
[02:57] <dtchen> in some unfortunate cases, a complete powercycle with 2+ minutes before turning on the machine again
[02:57] <dtchen> no love for capacitors in codecs, really.
[02:57] <bcurtiswx> i know im annoying.. but you can just ask me to never come back again :P
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[03:09] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: that did it
[03:10] <crimsun> I know, that's why you should buy rtg many beers when you see hiw
[03:10] <crimsun> him*
[03:11] <bcurtiswx> rtg?
[03:11] <crimsun> tim gardner, tech lead of the kernel team
[03:12] <crimsun> (I also blogged about l-b-m-a-k-g)
[04:33] <Kouen> hello
[04:35] <Kouen> someone on channel??
[07:20] <r00t_ninja> the llvm-gcc package doesnt create a symlink to the llvm-g++ executable , should i file a bug report?
[07:31] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[07:32] <thekorn> r00t_ninja, I think this has already been reported as bug 449749
[07:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 449749 in llvm-gcc-4.2 "/usr/bin/llvm-gcc missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449749
[07:33] <r00t_ninja> ah ok thanks
[07:34] <pan1nx> anybody noticed some issues with the keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[07:34] <pan1nx> I seem to have trouble connecting from Finland
[07:35] <pan1nx> there is no esperanza...
[07:35] <pan1nx> or it has 47% package lost
[07:35] <pan1nx> 50%
[08:40] <indus> hi
[08:47] <jarl> Hi there, what's the procedure to request new software in Ubuntu?
[08:47] <indus> jarl: use launchpad
[08:47] <indus> !launchpad
[08:47] <ubot4> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[08:48] <micahg> jarl: I'm looking for the wiki page...
[08:48] <jarl> I got that part. But should new software request be marked with some specific tags or anything?
[08:48] <micahg> yes, I'm looking for the wiki page
[08:48] <jarl> I couldn''t find any wiki page, only how backports are requested...
[08:49] <indus> jarl: ya wishlist probablly
[08:49] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs
[08:49] <micahg> that's not hwo to file though...
[08:49] <jarl> indus: Should the title also be prefixed with [Wishlist] ?
[08:49] <indus> jarl: always a good way
[08:49] <micahg> no
[08:50] <micahg> [needs-packaging] in title
[08:50] <indus> jarl: wait ill get you some examples
[08:50] <indus> jarl: ok follow micahg
[08:50] <indus> jarl: iam not a developer
[08:50] <jarl> micahg: Thanks, is that all, what about tags?
[08:51] <micahg> jarl: here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[08:52] <jarl> micahg: How come that didn't show when searching for "ubuntu request new software" or "ubuntu request new package" in Google?
[08:53] <jarl> michag: Something should be done about that... Links to the page from other wiki pages and even from official documentation maybe?
[08:55] <micahg> jarl: we don't control google
[08:55] <jarl> micahg: The wiki is a page under "UbuntuDevelopment", maybe this is not an optimal entry point to the page, as a much larger group than developers are encourage to request software, or am I wrong there.
[08:55] <jarl> ?
[08:56] <micahg> I'll update the help page though
[08:56] <micahg> do you think it would make sense to have ithere?
[08:56] <micahg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[08:57] <micahg> oh, it's already there :)
[08:57] <jarl> micahg: I know you don't control google, but it seems odd that google does find the page, right?
[08:57] <micahg> idk
[08:58] <jarl> micahg: ReportingBugs is a good place. I'll suggest you add a section "How to request new packages" just like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports because that page google does find.
[08:58] <micahg> It's the first result for me when I type Ubuntu New Package
[08:59] <jarl> micahg: I see apparently adding the word "request" ruins the search result...
[09:00] <micahg> when I followed the links from the home page of help.ubuntu.com I also came to it 4 pages down
[09:01] <jarl> micahg: > "oh, it's already there :)" where?
[09:02] <indus> ok can someone look at my bug report
[09:02] <indus> or i should just wait till someone decides to work on it
[09:02] <micahg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Answers#Developing%20Ubuntu%20programs
[09:02] <jarl> indus: I think the latter...
[09:02] <micahg> indus: what bug report?
[09:02] <indus> naah waited a year now
[09:03] <indus> my cd drive wont work in ubuntu since intrepid
[09:03] <indus> i havent been able to watch any movies
[09:03] <micahg> are you sure it still works?
[09:03] <indus> not detected at all
[09:03] <indus> windows baby windows
[09:03] <indus> i give you link?
[09:03] <micahg> bug ?
[09:04] <indus> yeah
[09:04] <indus> or at least, if you could tell me ways for the kernel to detect the drive
[09:04] <micahg> jarl: suggestions about documentation are best sent to the ubuntu-bugsquad mailing list
[09:04] <micahg> indus: did you file a bug?
[09:05] <indus> yeah since intrepid
[09:05] <indus> separate bugs for each distro but this time i added all info
[09:05] <jarl> micahg: OK. As far as I know, it's also possible to file a documentation bug. right?
[09:05] <jarl> micahg: Anyway thanks for the url.
[09:05] <indus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/425756
[09:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425756 in linux "[regression karmic] cd/dvd drive not detected" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:05] <micahg> jarl: well, if it's part of the official Ubuntu Documentation, which this isn't
[09:06] <indus> its triaged now
[09:06] <jarl> micahg: That'
[09:06] <jarl> micahg: That's a bug in itself, as I see it...
[09:07] <micahg> well, the ubuntu docs are how to use ubuntu
[09:07] <indus> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/425756
[09:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425756 in linux "[regression karmic] cd/dvd drive not detected" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:07] <jarl> micahg: OK, I see...
[09:08] <micahg> indus: I suggest hopping in #ubuntu-kernel and asking someone in about 5-6 hours
[09:08] <indus> hmmmm wow never thought of that
[09:08] <indus> ok thanks
[09:08] <indus> micahg: 5 - 6 hours?
[09:08] <indus> micahg: why  , is there a  special meeting?
[09:09] <micahg> well, in Europe the business day is just starting
[09:09] <indus> aah ok
[09:09] <micahg> and in America, people are sleeping (except me ) :)
[09:09] <indus> i go there now and check
[09:09] <indus> ya heeh americans are behind 24 hours from india
[09:09] <indus> my friends are waking up when i go sleep
[09:10] <micahg> jarl: the bug docs are maintained by the bugsquad team
[09:10] <indus> micahg: thanks , i go now
[09:10] <micahg> the mailing list is generally where people comment and suggest about them
[09:10] <micahg> indus: good luck
[09:11] <micahg> jarl: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad
[09:15] <micahg> jarl: I just filed a bug you might be interested in, bug 470351
[09:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470351 in apport "ability to file new package request from ubuntu-bug" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470351
[09:22] <jarl> micahg: Indeed relevant bug :-)
[09:31] <jarl> micahg: I have to pick a package for my needs-packaging bug, I can't choose ubuntu, which  package should I chose now that I am requesting a new package?
[09:31] <micahg> no
[09:32] <micahg> no package for the bug
[09:33] <jarl> micahg: launchpad won't accept that. It says "There is 1 error.", "Please enter a package name"
[09:33] <micahg> where are you doing this?
[09:34] <jarl> micahg: I followed the link (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect&field.tag=needs-packaging) from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages and followed the steps.
[09:34] <jarl> micahg: Now (after validating the form) my url is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[09:35] <micahg> yes
[09:35] <micahg> but you shouldn't need a package name
[09:35] <micahg> just don't put anything there
[09:36] <jarl> micahg: Well, tell launchpad that, I can also select "Don't know", should I try that?
[09:36] <micahg> yes
[09:36] <jarl> micahg: OK, that made it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/470382
[09:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470382 in ubuntu "[Wishlist] amop package request" [Undecided,New]
[09:37] <jarl> ubot4 is interesting... :-)
[09:37] <ubot4> jarl: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:45] <jarl> micahg: Do you have 5 minutes to teach me a specific thing in launchapd? I would like to be a better launchapad bug-reporter. I am a skilled developer (not in Ubuntu/debian though), and I am used to simple bug-report applications like bugzilla, etc. But I would like to better to use Launchapd
[09:46] <jarl> micahg: Specifically In bug 409013 I would like to specify that Karmic Koala is affected... Can you tell me where to click?
[09:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 409013 in network-manager "Network manager request password for open WLANs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409013
[09:48] <micahg> well, jarl, there is no specific place to say a certain release is affected at present.  If you'd like  a fix for a certain release, you can click the Nominate for Release link under the task list
[09:48] <micahg> jarl: you can update the description with the latest information you have: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[09:50] <jarl> micahg: OK, so reporters are supposed to "Nominate" and release managers make decisions upon such requests, is that how it works?
[09:50] <micahg> yes
[09:51] <jarl> micahg: I think I've seen other bugs where specific release have been listed in the "Affects" column, is that after release managers have accepted them?
[09:52] <micahg> yes
[09:52] <jarl> OK, that made things a bit clearer, thanks.
[09:52] <micahg> if you have any question about bugs, we're happy to help
[09:53] <micahg> if you want to help triage, that's even better ;)
[09:54] <jarl> micahg: Cool, I am not sure what "triag" is all about, english is not my primary language, and m-w.com does really give me a clue in this context.
[09:54] <jarl> m-w.com does *not* really give me a clue.
[09:54] <micahg> triaging is gathering the information necessary to fix a bug and making sure the people that will fix it have access to it
[09:55] <micahg> or as you mentioned being a developer, maybe you'd like to help actually fix busg
[09:56] <jmarsden> jarl: Does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage help?
[09:56] <jarl> micahg: regarding fixing bugs, I would really love to, however time does not permit at the moment.
[09:56] <micahg> ok, well, when you have time, please come back
[09:56] <micahg> there's plenty of work for everyone :)
[09:59] <jarl> micahg: I plan to do like M. Shuttleworth: become a millionaire, then time can be prioritised, economical survival should no longer be a problem. :-)
[10:02] <jarl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage does in deed help. Already now I've got some work: nominate my own bugs, and triage (collect information) them.
[10:04] <jarl> How do I tell that a specific bug has been triaged (by me) and I would like a release manager or developer to verify/mark that it has been triaged?
[10:09] <micahg> well, there's no real way to tell specifically if you triaged a bug, however, you can see list of bugs that you reported or commented on
[10:11] <jarl> micahg: But it is correct, that only developers and release managers can mark it "Triaged", right?
[10:11] <micahg> yes
[10:12] <micahg> so, if you feel a bug has all the information, you can come in here and ask someone to mark triaged
[10:12] <micahg> here's the page where you can see what you've done with bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jarl-gavia
[10:13] <jarl> OK. I'll do that. Is this place better than some mailing list?
[10:13] <micahg> yes
[10:13] <micahg> for that at least
[10:13] <micahg> bug triage that is
[10:18] <jarl> micahg: Yeah, I got it...
[11:47] <brywilharris> Hi all
[11:48] <brywilharris> anybody on?
[11:49] <brywilharris> I had an F_ing wopper of a bug last night on the Karmic upgrade
[12:01] <brywilharris> Anybody here?
[12:47] <M1Tn1Ck> salve a tutti sono nuovo
[12:47] <M1Tn1Ck> della bugs squad
[12:54] <M1Tn1Ck> hello i new member of the bugsSquad
[12:57] <micahg> HI M1Tn1Ck, have you read the triage pages on teh wiki yet?
[12:57] <M1Tn1Ck> yes
[12:58] <M1Tn1Ck> but in this team always people are english or american?
[12:58] <micahg> most people speak English
[12:59] <micahg> there are some bugs that people report in other languages
[12:59] <M1Tn1Ck> ok
[13:00] <micahg> unfortunately, I don't have time right now, but someone else should be coming in here soon
[13:01] <M1Tn1Ck> ok ok, but we work only release new ubuntu edition?
[13:01] <micahg> M1Tn1Ck: you should think about what types of bugs you'd like to triage
[13:01] <micahg> no, not necessarily
[13:02] <M1Tn1Ck> i don't know what kind of bugs i like to triage, because i want help ubuntu but i don't know the kind of bugs
[13:05] <M1Tn1Ck> but i prefer work with bugs of the applications of internet if possyble
[13:07] <M1Tn1Ck> ok?
[13:12] <deuxpi> join #ubuntu-classroom
[13:12] <deuxpi> aye... sorry
[14:14] <seb128> bdmurray, pedro_: did you guys started changing crash bugs to private in a semi automatic way?
[14:15] <pedro_> seb128, not me at least
[14:16] <MsMaco> i thought they started out private
[14:16] <pedro_> seb128, I've changed some to private today thought, since the reporters made it public but the report is still waiting to be retraced (contains coredump.gz)
[14:17] <seb128> pedro_, right, but for some softwares there is no private datas
[14:17] <seb128> retraced or not
[15:01] <bddebian> Boo
[15:13] <carresmd> Hi. I'm having a problem switching runlevels with karmic.. for example, when I'm at my gnome desktop and run '$ sudo telinit 1' it starts doing the thing it should do, but then 'hangs' at the xsplash screen.. My question, is this known to anyone in here or generally known?
[15:14] <carresmd> I've tried searching launchpad but I couldn't find anything about it. Only something with gdm not starting when you boot in single user mode, but that has nothing to do with this
[15:19] <mantiena> hello
[15:47] <carresmd> No offence, but is this the 'idle' channel? ^^
[15:48] <kklimonda> depends on the hour
[15:49] <carresmd> timezones suck.. :-)
[15:49] <kklimonda> carresmd, your question isn't really for this channel though
[15:49] <kklimonda> yes, they do
[15:49] <carresmd> well, I'm making sure I'm not filing a duplicate bug.. (if I'm going to submit it)
[15:50] <kklimonda> I haven't heard of this problem personally but It's not that easy to keep track of all bugs :)
[15:50] <carresmd> true
[15:50] <mastermolch> hm, i did a bug report yesterday and i would like to know if it is right this way or if more information are needed... it is bug 469475
[15:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 469475 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "3 Screens with 2 NVIDIA graphics cards and Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469475
[15:51] <carresmd> I'm having the problem with both my laptop and desktop, so it seems to me it is a bug..
[15:53] <carresmd> kklimonda, I think I found an already reported bug :-)! bug 446225
[15:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446225 in linux "telinit 1 (or init 1) doesn't work in karmic beta livecd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446225
[15:53] <carresmd> found it via google, couldn't find it in launchpad though
[16:02] <kklimonda> mastermolch, looks fine to me - video guys may have more questions (but I think that the state of nvidia and twinview in Ubuntu is known anyway)
[16:04] <mastermolch> ok, i wondered if nvidia should also get a mail about my problems
[16:05] <mastermolch> but i wrote them a mail a year ago about something else and they didnt answer
[16:06] <kklimonda> you could try but I guess not much can be done. Huge companies are like this..
[16:09] <mastermolch> hm, i have to say... i would also pay for telephone support or something, if the problem will be fixed in general later in the downloadable driver.
[16:11] <kklimonda> I know that nvidia guys are working on randr 1.2/1.3 support so it may be better when they finish it but it's taking them some time (at least 2 or 3 years if I remember correctly)
[16:13] <mastermolch> but does this mean multiscreen support wont work like on ms operating systems before 2011?
[16:14] <kklimonda> mastermolch, we can only hope that they are going to fix bugs in the meantime.
[16:14] <mastermolch> multiscreen support worked in windows 2000 very fine, thats the one and only thing i really miss now.
[16:15] <mastermolch> yes i know. and it would be easyer if the drivers would be open...
[16:17] <mastermolch> and i dont need to use nvida, i would also use ati, but the multiscreen support wont be better, as i read.
[16:27] <bdmurray> seb128: I changed a few that reporters had made public before they were retraced.
[16:27] <seb128> right, I noticed
[16:27] <seb128> it doesn't always make sense, things like GNOME capplets don't handle any private datas
[16:28] <bdmurray> seb128: I see I was trying to err on the side of safety
[16:29] <seb128> ok, just stating it in case it's a new policy which has been decided somewhere
[16:29] <bdmurray> seb128: particularly with apport being enabled in some cases when it shouldn't have been
[16:29] <seb128> it's sometime ok to let bug publics especially if the submitter decided to open it
[16:31] <bdmurray> I wouldn't have normally done it but thought since these people weren't running the devel release they might not have been aware of the implications of an apport crash report and making it public
[16:34] <seb128> bdmurray, ok, cool, I didn't realize apport was on in stable too
[16:34] <joaopinto> hi
[16:34] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[16:34] <seb128> bdmurray, I was just making sure it's not a new policy which is going to be enforced automatically by scripts or something
[16:34] <joaopinto> is /etc/rc.local still called on karmic ? any know bug report about it not being caled anymore ?
[16:34] <joaopinto> known
[16:36] <bdmurray> seb128: cool, I might look at some more bugs like those today.  What package(s) would be okay to leave public?
[16:36] <seb128> bdmurray, don't bother if that's on a limited set it's going to be less effort to just mark all those back
[16:46] <jcastro> bdmurray, reminder, you have an openweek session today!
[17:05] <bdmurray> seb128: there are 64 public bugs with coredumps at the moment do you think that is limited?
[17:05] <seb128> yes
[17:22] <ldl> Is it a bug that compiz and metacity both freeze or dramatically affect performance on a T41 class machine?
[17:23] <M1Tn1Ck> hi, i'll like work with bugs of the internet application ok??
[17:33] <M1Tn1Ck> guys what project do you work?
[17:40] <hggdh> M1Tn1Ck: I am not sure I understand you -- you would like to help with bugs dealing with internet?
[17:41] <M1Tn1Ck> yes but also the bugs with the application that use internet  like mozilla firefox or other ok?
[17:42] <M1Tn1Ck> sorry but my english is bad
[17:42] <joaopinto> M1Tn1Ck, some of us just participate on random bugs depending on our skills
[17:42] <hggdh> M1Tn1Ck: no problem. You can start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[17:43] <M1Tn1Ck> ok i read this
[17:45] <M1Tn1Ck> for example i like join to the Mozilla team bugs
[17:46] <M1Tn1Ck> but if i can't join i like resolving always bugs
[17:46] <M1Tn1Ck> *but if i can't join it i like resolving always bugs
[17:50] <M1Tn1Ck> i go out see you later bye
[18:03] <mantiena> hello, I've noticed lots of identifical bugreports about jaunty->karmic upgrading problems when users have ttf-mscorefonts-installer, maybe someone from Ubuntu developers can assign bug #464422 to the right person and increase importance ? Every day since karmic release about 10 identifical bugs are reported about this problem :(
[18:03] <ubot4> mantiena: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[18:04] <mantiena> This problem appears because ttf-mscorefonts-installer always tries to download fonts from internet servers without asking if user wants to do this and returns an error if there are no access to the fonts download locations
[18:26] <mrand> mantiena: wow... looking at the other open bugs for that project, seems like there might be 60 or 80 duplicates of this problem?
[18:36] <danage> can someone help me triage this bug: it probably needs to be affixed to a package/attached upstream? bug #452519
[18:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 452519 in linux "[Karmic] USB Card Reader Malfunction - clutter in DMESG" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452519
[18:37] <danage> it's bad
[18:59] <mrand> danage: often bugs like this are already flagged upstream (in this case, in the kernel bugzilla, unless the usb card reader guys do their own bug stuff).  Sometimes those bugs are even already closed because they are resolved in a later release of the kernel - and possibly even backported to our released version (that maybe hasn't been released yet)... although considering the age of this bug, my money is on it not having been resolved 
[19:02] <ldl> Should ie be considered and reported as a bug that compiz and metacity both freeze or dramatically affect performance on a T41 class machine?
[19:18] <mrand> mantiena: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549882
[19:18] <ubot4> Debian bug 549882 in ttf-mscorefonts-installer "ttf-mscorefonts-installer: Poor handling of font downloads" [Normal,Open]
[19:22] <danage> mrand: where should i look in kernel bugzilla?
[19:38] <mrand> danage: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ is the homepage... if their search function doesn't find something quickly, I would try some google searches, perhaps pointed to that site (site:kernel.org) using error messages or device driver names to double check.  Linux kernel mailing list often has some info, especially because this problem is not new.
[19:43] <kklimonda> what may be a reason for gdm launching ~30 seconds after boot stops? people say they can log in to terminal and work and then after ~30 seconds (I guess it's just an estimate) gdm starts
[20:27] <poningru> kklimonda, what does dmesg say?
[20:52] <jcastro> bdmurray, 8 minute warning!
[20:53] <bdmurray> jcastro: thanks
[21:22] <brandonban6> Hey all, I'm stuck on this issue, details found here: can anyone assist me with the issue I posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311578 ? , any thoughts that may help? bug #161044
[21:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 161044 in hal "no CD automount after upgrade to gutsy (Hal, dbus or gvm)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161044
[21:22] <erikk71usa> hi all
[21:22] <erikk71usa> i have question
[21:23] <brandonban6> hi erikk71usa
[21:23] <brandonban6> what's your question?
[21:23] <erikk71usa> just 9.10 issue
[21:23] <erikk71usa> i installed
[21:24] <erikk71usa> the first time every thing went ok
[21:24] <erikk71usa> i then shut my pc
[21:25] <erikk71usa> now when i turn pc back on i see white ubuntu logo the screens turns black an wont go to the logon screen
[21:26] <brandonban6> Does the machine power off when it goes black? Or does it remain powered on? Is there anything at all on the screen?
[21:26] <erikk71usa> no
[21:26] <erikk71usa> itsjusts sit there
[21:26] <erikk71usa> the hard drive stops accessing
[21:26] <erikk71usa> dell gx 260
[21:27] <brandonban6> Is this a dual boot system (i.e. you have windows installed on it too)?
[21:27] <erikk71usa> no
[21:28] <erikk71usa> just ubuntu 9.10
[21:28] <erikk71usa> i have intel onboard video
[21:29] <erikk71usa> too bad ubuntu is too stupid to fix the issue
[21:29] <erikk71usa> ubuntu 9.04 works fine
[21:30] <brandonban6> I would try to boot into the recovery console. Right after the dell bios splash screen, it should say "loading grub.... hit esc to cancel" (or something along those lines), hit escape, there should be an option to repair xorg.conf file.
[21:30] <cyan-spam> hi all, got a q about <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/417842?comments=all
[21:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417842 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.31/kernel/power/suspend_test.c:52 suspend_test_finish+0x7c/0x80()" [Low,Fix released]
[21:31] <cyan-spam> yeah, that one.
[21:31] <brandonban6> if that doesn't work, you could drop to the root console from the same menu, run  "fsck -P" to check for bad sectors.
[21:31] <erikk71usa> oh no
[21:31] <erikk71usa> nevermind im totally lost
[21:31] <cyan-spam> some random guy set it it fix released but i don't think that's correct. what's the procedure here?
[21:31] <erikk71usa> its somnething to with video
[21:31] <erikk71usa> karemic
[21:32] <erikk71usa> something they changed
[21:32] <erikk71usa> in new release
[21:32] <brandonban6> that's what the xorg.conf repair would do erikk71usa
[21:32] <erikk71usa> look im a newbie
[21:32] <erikk71usa> at that stuff
[21:33] <erikk71usa> i guess im stupid
[21:35] <erikk71usa> stupid inc
[21:35] <erikk71usa> i use 9.04
[21:36] <erikk71usa> if issue not fixed
[21:37] <brandonban6> erikk71usa, reboot.... when you see the dell screen, hold down the shift key. A menu should appear, choose ... (recovery mode), then highlight "Xfix" using the arrow keys, and then hit enter.
[21:37] <erikk71usa> ok
[21:38] <micahg1> cyan-spam: the person who's assigned to it, should clarify the status if he bug
[21:39] <cyan-spam> micahg1: oh. i just reverted the status myself after confirming that the fix had not been released. is that OK?
[21:39] <erikk71usa> ok
[21:39] <erikk71usa> will
[21:42] <micahg1> well, cyan-spam, if it was set by a developer than no
[21:42] <micahg1> but in this case, I think you're ok
[21:43] <brandonban6> Hey all, I'm stuck on this issue, details found here: can anyone assist me with the issue I posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1311578 ? , any thoughts that may help? bug #161044
[21:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 161044 in hal "no CD automount after upgrade to gutsy (Hal, dbus or gvm)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161044
[21:43] <cyan-spam> ok, thanks for the advice, micahg1
[21:43] <micahg1> cyan-spam: if a developer closes it, you're better off either pinging someone on IRC, or filing a new bug referencing the fixed one
[21:43] <cyan-spam> nod
[21:44] <prower> argh...lmms crashes on exit in 9.10, remains running in the background using 100% cpu :<
[21:49] <jwindle> Hello. I think I may have found an issue with network bonding in karmic server edition or at least my configuration worked in jaunty but is now not working in karmic. Is there anyone around that might be able to help?
[21:51] <micahg1> jwindle: support is in #ubuntu, if you have a question about a bug, we can help you in here
[21:55] <erikk71usa> xfit
[21:55] <erikk71usa> notinrecovery
[21:57] <jwindle> micahg1: Thanks. Already hit up #ubuntu with no responce. I'll wait around over there I guess.
[21:57] <erikk71usa> f ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccvcbn,mnbvnvbnmnv,mnvcbnm,nvbn,mnbcvvc,mvn,nmnnccnvcxvcxnvnvbvvvc,
[21:57] <bdmurray> jwindle: you might also check #ubuntu-server
[21:57] <micahg1> jwindle: you can try #ubuntu-server
[21:58] <micahg1> oops
[21:58] <jwindle> Ah thank you I was just checking to see if there was a specific server channel.
[21:58] <jwindle> micahg1, bdmurray: Thank's for pointing me in the right direction.
[21:59] <micahg> bdmurray: are we having a meeting this month?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> bias
[22:22] <BUGabundo> *boas
[22:40] <danage> mrand: i've searched linux kernel bugs thoroughly. however, i did not find a bug relating to my problem. would it be highly inappropriate to file there?
[22:42] <mrand> danage: I don't think so.... file away!  Worst thing they'll do is close it or some reason or another, or mark it as a dup.
[22:45] <bdmurray> well it'd be best to try with an upstream version of the kernel
[23:00] <danage> bdmurray: git tree self-compile?
[23:01] <bdmurray> danage: I believe the kernel team has an upstream kernel available.  ogasawara?
[23:02] <ogasawara> bdmurray, danage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds
[23:03] <danage> thanks bdmurray, ogasawara, will try and comment on the bug if it helps
[23:04] <danage> ogasawara: should i go with .32-rc5?
[23:05] <ogasawara> danage: that'd probably be best since it's the most recent
[23:20] <danage> bdmurray mrand: no luck, still broken on .32-rc5, so i guess i'm filing
[23:42] <mrand> danage: thanks for the thorough search!  When you get an upstream bug number, please click "Also affects project", enter Linux, and then put a link to your bug there.  You might also search launchpad for the same message / equipment and mark any that you find as a dup of this one.
[23:42] <mrand> oops, (05:22:30 PM) danage left the room (quit: Client Quit).
[23:46] <dragon> the `gnuplot` program doesn't come with PDFlib, so it doesn't have an option of setting output type as PDF. The package corresponding to PDFlib is probably in the repos, though I'm unable to find it right now.
[23:47] <dragon> Here's a tutorial that demonstrates compilation of gnuplot with PDFlib on Ubuntu
[23:47] <dragon> http://www.miscdebris.net/blog/2008/01/23/install-gnuplot-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon/
[23:47] <dragon> is this worth filing a bug?
[23:47] <dragon> if so, where?
[23:48] <dragon> ubot4: hi
[23:48] <ubot4> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[23:51] <mrand> dragon: looks like this may be it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gnuplot/+bug/162071
[23:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 162071 in gnuplot "lack of pdf support" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[23:59] <dragon> mrand: yes, this is the one. It makes sense that pdflib hasn't been included for being non-free
[23:59] <dragon> mrand: but this has been a "Won't fix" for almost 2 years now