[01:14] <Spreadsheet> Are there any proposals to "split" the main #ubuntu channel so that there are less people per channel and help is more efficient? Such as having #ubuntu-1, #ubuntu-2, and so on.
[01:20] <elky> Spreadsheet, there have been various proposals saying we should, but no real way to do it that would guarantee an even spread of helpers, or the right helper in the right channel at the right time.
[01:21] <Spreadsheet> I think we can have a "main" channel where people needing help find a helper. And then they take the discussion to a sub-channel
[01:21] <elky> i think that would become unmanagable
[01:23] <Seeker`> that proposal has been made several times before
[01:23] <Seeker`> it takes the attention of people who know what they are doing away from the main channel
[01:23] <Seeker`> which means that new people joining would be ignored until the other problems are solved
[01:24] <Seeker`> if you have fixed #ubuntu-1, -2, -3, etc. etc. then it becomes impossible to make sure you have an even spread of people capable of helping across each channel
[01:24] <Seeker`> unless you create a staff of people with fixed shifts etc.
[01:24] <nalioth> Spreadsheet: do you ignore channels like #ubuntu-us-tx (or wherever you're from) ?
[01:24] <Seeker`> which isn't really feasible
[01:24] <Spreadsheet> I see what's wrong with the proposal
[01:25] <Spreadsheet> I don't usually join those channels
[01:25] <elky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392799 is where it's been discussed before
[01:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:25] <ubot4> Ubuntu bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392799
[01:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392799
[01:25]  * niko look at flood
[01:26]  * elky gets out the bot repellant
[01:26] <Seeker`> there isn't a nice way to support 1500 users in live chat. What we have is the best option so far. other solutions may solve some problems, but they introduce others, and usually majorly increase the admin overhead
[01:35] <Spreadsheet> Bye
[02:04] <JanC> I think more topic-specific channels might be useful
[02:05] <JanC> especially on topics that have a lot of known issues  ;)
[02:05]  * niko don't want to count offtopic discussion in such channel
[02:06] <JanC> people will always do that, but in smaller channels that causes less harm than in #ubuntu as it is  ;)
[02:07] <JanC> the problem is, currently in #ubuntu you can't help people without being focused on it permanently
[02:07] <niko> but how an user knows in which channels he have to go ? :/ ?
[02:08] <niko> mainly a beginner
[02:08] <JanC> people can point them to the right channel, plus channel names should help
[02:09] <niko> i don't think that solve the problem
[02:10] <JanC> it won't solve all problems, but it works reasonably for the topics/teams that already have such a channel  ;)
[02:10] <m4v> well, there's #ubuntu-meta
[03:06] <ubot2> In ubot2, ctcd1 said: error: this initrd is too big la gi vay?
[16:37] <erUSUL> anyone? pooper in #ubuntu
[16:37] <erUSUL> nvm Pici is there
[18:05] <jussi01_> erUSUL: #ubuntu-ops for #ubuntu stuff ;)
[18:10] <m4v> jussi01_, did the council got our emails about u-es? do we have to wait until the elections are over for a reply?
[18:12] <jussi01_> m4v: given we have only 2 council members atm, Id say that would be the case.
[18:23] <Pricey> m4v: have you been in touch with the founder since?
[18:23] <m4v> I have not seen the founder since he removed me
[18:25] <nalioth> which is the norm, sadly
[18:30] <m4v> the norm? you mean p3l|c4n0 never available?
[18:30] <m4v> I'm probably the only one that talked with him "recently"
[18:36] <m4v> which I don't like to do, he just treated me like I'm some new dude trying to get op in his channel and that I haven't worked hard enough for it
[23:10] <Pilif12p> Hi all. Is The Floodbot open source?
[23:10] <Pilif12p> and if so, where can i get the source?
[23:10] <LjL> almost, but not quite yet.
[23:10] <niko> Pilif12p: probably in some weeks/months
[23:10] <Pilif12p> Ah.
[23:10] <niko> but LjL can tell you more, as he wrote them :)
[23:11] <Pilif12p> oh
[23:11] <Pilif12p> cool
[23:11] <LjL> i've said what i had to say :P
[23:11] <Pilif12p> LjL: Is the source on the SVN or anything?
[23:11] <LjL> no, it's just not available at the moment
[23:11] <Pilif12p> ok.
[23:12] <erUSUL> LjL: easier question is written python like supybot ?
[23:12] <LjL> no. php.
[23:12] <Pici> ahaha
[23:12] <LjL> Pici: shush
[23:12] <m4v> php?
[23:12] <Pici> They both begin with a p!
[23:12] <LjL> like in pee, aitch, pee, yes.
[23:12] <Pilif12p> I'm just looking for a flood control bot, because on Moznet, their bot is not as good as Floodbot... It just kicks people, and the name isn't very nice. The name is "killer"
[23:13] <LjL> eh, the name is easily changed, surely...
[23:13] <Pilif12p> Nope. Its chanserv with a different name.
[23:13] <niko> Pilif12p: if you want a supybot plugin about that
[23:13] <LjL> the floodbots are not at all easy to set up, though, because they are a very ugly piece of code that's mostly custom-written for #ubuntu
[23:13] <niko> i have one
[23:13] <Pilif12p> Oh
[23:14] <Pilif12p> niko: Will it run in linux?
[23:14] <niko> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-bots/ubotufr/files/head%3A/ChannelManager/
[23:14] <niko> Pilif12p: it's a supybot plugin
[23:14] <Pilif12p> Okay
[23:14] <m4v> oh no! no more clones of ubotu-fr! D:
[23:14] <Pilif12p> And, what's ubot based on?
[23:15] <Pilif12p> ubotu
[23:15] <tsimpson> 2 t's
[23:15] <m4v> its supybot with custom plugins
[23:15] <Pilif12p> Oh
[23:15] <tsimpson> all ubottu is, is supybot + plugins
[23:16] <Pilif12p> oh
[23:16] <Pilif12p> I was running a Mozbot earlier, but it broke and got hacked
[23:17] <Pilif12p> i decided to shut it down, because it could flood channels easily...
[23:17] <Pilif12p> Anyway, thanks
[23:18] <niko> Pilif12p: if you need help about plugin config, feel free to query me
[23:18] <Pilif12p> k
[23:20] <Pilif12p> does ubuntu come with python?
[23:21] <m4v> yes
[23:21] <Pilif12p> okay.