=== jussi01 is now known as jussi01_ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === keffie_jayx is now known as effie_jayx === JamieBennett1 is now known as JamieBennett === fenris__ is now known as ejat === fader|away is now known as fader_ === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit === imlad|away is now known as imlad === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === marjomercado is now known as marjo === imlad is now known as imlad|away === imlad|away is now known as imlad === james_w` is now known as james_w === asac_ is now known as asac === jsalisbury_ is now known as jsalisbury === fader_ is now known as fader|lunch === fader|lunch is now known as fader_ [19:53] hello === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === fader_ is now known as fader|away === imlad is now known as imlad|away [23:06] Is anyone here for the Ubuntu Marketing meeting proposed by Martin Owens on 22-October? I'm not seeing anything on the fridge calendar, and its a bit too quiet in here for the meeting to be taking place. [23:07] If not, I'll assume said meeting has been aborted. [23:25] JVilsack: shame :( [23:26] Agreed. :( Thanks for trying those that did show up. Sorry the moderator was a no show. [23:28] JVilsack: seems the marketing team is destined to fail [23:29] popey, why is that? [23:29] We need to have a strong marketing effort... [23:29] Failure would intone that there was an attempted effort in the first place. :) Its unfortunate. [23:30] JVilsack, what can you and I do to stoke the fires then...? [23:30] cprofitt: why is the team destined to fail? [23:30] lack of action/meetings/leadership in no particular order [23:31] * cprofitt ponders [23:31] popey, I will have to look in to that... [23:32] Long story short: the community effort marketing-wise is failing. Ubuntu's grassroots remains a large grassroots, yet individual effort. There is no concerted message aggregation or material development from the communal side, because those who have been there for a while abhor hierarchy. [23:32] cprofitt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/ [23:32] Check out the mailing-list. There is a lot of information in it :) [23:32] I really think we need to drive that team... I do a lot locally with presenting at non-Linux conventions and events... so I would like to assist with making that a concerted effort [23:32] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2009-October/003711.html that thread specifically [23:32] I will. [23:33] Please feel free to drop me a line cprofitt. I've tried three times to get this thing started and its met with heavy resistance each time. But you can email me at vilsack@gmail.com any time. [23:33] JVilsack: resistence in what way? [23:33] In the interim, I've got to go image some servers. Thanks for trying! Thanks Popey! [23:33] ok [23:33] JVilsack, I will... [23:39] popey, that was a good post [23:39] which? [23:40] it aligns with one of my thoughts that I shared with Greg DeKoenigsberg [23:40] the individual one you had me read [23:40] to me focusing marketing on the positive advantages of FOSS in general will help raise awareness to Ubuntu and other distros [23:41] if we can skim 1% off the people using Windows it would have a far greater impact than taking 1% of the current Linux users and moving them to our distro [23:41] in that sense... I could care less about the distro they use... just that they become aware of a choice beyond Windows and OS X [23:42] docs reply appears to be square on as well. [23:43] other than his thought that activism should not be included. [23:44] popey, is there a current leader of the marketing team? [23:44] no [23:44] there is of course a marketing department within canonical [23:45] is there a historical reason behind there not being a marketing team leader? [23:45] anyone who steps up needs thick skin [23:45] marketing by committee doesnt work [23:46] true... true... [23:46] wouldn't Canonical marketing overlap with Ubuntu marketing ? [23:47] I just was not sure if there was some reason for there being no leader... mutiny... Anarcho-Syndicated Commune... other [23:47] joaopinto, I would think there would be an overlap... [23:47] but there still needs to be some coordination for the community part of it... [23:47] joaopinto: yes, to some degree [23:48] canonical marketing of course also has to market canonical corporate services [23:48] +1 popey [23:49] Canonical's marketing team is not very popular from a community relations perspective, an Ubuntu Community Marketting team should have Canonical's Marketing blessing [23:49] I would think that there is a difference to corporate shill marketing and grassroots user group type marketing [23:51] I hope that did not come off in the wrong way