[19:53] <Janjiss> hello
[23:06] <JVilsack> Is anyone here for the Ubuntu Marketing meeting proposed by Martin Owens on 22-October?  I'm not seeing anything on the fridge calendar, and its a bit too quiet in here for the meeting to be taking place.
[23:07] <JVilsack> If not, I'll assume said meeting has been aborted.
[23:25] <popey> JVilsack: shame :(
[23:26] <JVilsack> Agreed.  :(  Thanks for trying those that did show up.  Sorry the moderator was a no show.
[23:28] <popey> JVilsack: seems the marketing team is destined to fail
[23:29] <cprofitt> popey, why is that?
[23:29] <cprofitt> We need to have a strong marketing effort...
[23:29] <JVilsack> Failure would intone that there was an attempted effort in the first place. :)  Its unfortunate.
[23:30] <cprofitt> JVilsack, what can you and I do to stoke the fires then...?
[23:30] <popey> cprofitt: why is the team destined to fail?
[23:30] <popey> lack of action/meetings/leadership in no particular order
[23:31]  * cprofitt ponders
[23:31] <cprofitt> popey, I will have to look in to that...
[23:32] <JVilsack> Long story short:  the community effort marketing-wise is failing.  Ubuntu's grassroots remains a large grassroots, yet individual effort.  There is no concerted message aggregation or material development from the communal side, because those who have been there for a while abhor hierarchy.
[23:32] <popey> cprofitt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/
[23:32] <JVilsack> Check out the mailing-list.  There is a lot of information in it :)
[23:32] <cprofitt> I really think we need to drive that team... I do a lot locally with presenting at non-Linux conventions and events... so I would like to assist with making that a concerted effort
[23:32] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2009-October/003711.html that thread specifically
[23:32] <cprofitt> I will.
[23:33] <JVilsack> Please feel free to drop me a line cprofitt.  I've tried three times to get this thing started and its met with heavy resistance each time.   But you can email me at vilsack@gmail.com any time.
[23:33] <popey> JVilsack: resistence in what way?
[23:33] <JVilsack> In the interim, I've got to go image some servers.  Thanks for trying!  Thanks Popey!
[23:33] <popey> ok
[23:33] <cprofitt> JVilsack, I will...
[23:39] <cprofitt> popey, that was a good post
[23:39] <popey> which?
[23:40] <cprofitt> it aligns with one of my thoughts that I shared with Greg DeKoenigsberg
[23:40] <cprofitt> the individual one you had me read
[23:40] <cprofitt> to me focusing marketing on the positive advantages of FOSS in general will help raise awareness to Ubuntu and other distros
[23:41] <cprofitt> if we can skim 1% off the people using Windows it would have a far greater impact than taking 1% of the current Linux users and moving them to our distro
[23:41] <cprofitt> in that sense... I could care less about the distro they use... just that they become aware of a choice beyond Windows and OS X
[23:42] <cprofitt> docs reply appears to be square on as well.
[23:43] <cprofitt> other than his thought that activism should not be included.
[23:44] <cprofitt> popey, is there a current leader of the marketing team?
[23:44] <popey> no
[23:44] <popey> there is of course a marketing department within canonical
[23:45] <cprofitt> is there a historical reason behind there not being a marketing team leader?
[23:45] <popey> anyone who steps up needs thick skin
[23:45] <popey> marketing by committee doesnt work
[23:46] <cprofitt> true... true...
[23:46] <joaopinto> wouldn't Canonical marketing overlap with Ubuntu marketing ?
[23:47] <cprofitt> I just was not sure if there was some reason for there being no leader... mutiny... Anarcho-Syndicated Commune... other
[23:47] <cprofitt> joaopinto, I would think there would be an overlap...
[23:47] <cprofitt> but there still needs to be some coordination for the community part of it...
[23:47] <popey> joaopinto: yes, to some degree
[23:48] <popey> canonical marketing of course also has to market canonical corporate services
[23:48] <cprofitt> +1 popey
[23:49] <joaopinto> Canonical's marketing team is not very popular from a community relations perspective, an Ubuntu Community Marketting team should have Canonical's Marketing blessing
[23:49] <cprofitt> I would think that there is a difference to corporate shill marketing and grassroots user group type marketing
[23:51] <cprofitt> I hope that did not come off in the wrong way