| geser | let's see where this discussion will lead to once all devs are back from weekend | 00:01 |
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| amikrop | Hello, where can I find the PPA version of gnome-screensaver? | 00:31 |
| amikrop | Because I have the problem with screensaver coming on when watching fullscreen in VLC. | 00:31 |
| amikrop | And as I read in LP, the PPA version is the only solution yet. | 00:32 |
| MsMaco | whose ppa do you want it from? | 00:33 |
| MsMaco | i'm sure more than one prson has packaged gnome-screensaver somewhere. whatever but report you're reading should specify | 00:33 |
| MsMaco | *bug | 00:33 |
| amikrop | ok | 00:34 |
| * ajmitch would guess from the gnome-screensaver page on LP that it's the version in the motumedia PPA | 00:34 | |
| amikrop | I found it on LP | 00:34 |
| MsMaco | https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=gnome-screensaver+ppa says the 3rd result has versions of gnome-screensaver for gutsy, hardy, and intrepid... | 00:34 |
| amikrop | ajmitch: yeah, where can I find that? | 00:34 |
| MsMaco | probably launchpad.net/~motumedia? | 00:34 |
| amikrop | I need the motumedia one | 00:34 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/~motumedia/+archive/ppa | 00:35 |
| amikrop | ajmitch: so, I should add the PPA to the software sources of mine? can't I just download the specific package? | 00:38 |
| amikrop | ok, found it | 00:39 |
| amikrop | hope it helps | 00:39 |
| amikrop | also, hope the patched package gets into the main repos | 00:40 |
| amikrop | thanks | 00:40 |
| lifeless | *blink* | 00:40 |
| * ajmitch shrugs | 00:40 | |
| ajmitch | it should be aa fairly trustable PPA anyway :) | 00:40 |
| jgoppert | hey guys, so i want to get libjsw up and running by disabling jscalibrator directory from being called in the debian/rules and eliminating the binary from debian/control, what is the best way to do this, extract the orig tarball, apply the patch, edit, and the diff with the orignal to get an updated patch? | 01:20 |
| jgoppert | hey guys trying to package libjsw with jscalibrator disabled on karmic, got debuild to run finally, so now when uploading to my ppa do i need to upload the original tarball since it isn't in karmic yet, or do i need to use debuild -S or what? | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | looks like it's not in karmic due to probable removal | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | -S is always required, -sa will include the orig tarball | 01:35 |
| jgoppert | its not in karmic yet because it ties into gtk 1.2 but they are working on repackaging it with gtk 2.0, -sa will include the tarball in the changes file? | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | yes it will | 01:41 |
| jgoppert | thanks | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | I expect you'll probably have to edit more than debian/rules to disable the gtk+ app in there | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | like removing it from debian/control, various .install files, etc | 01:41 |
| ScottK | jgoppert: A better bet then is to get it into Debian and sync it into Ubuntu from there. | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: it's still in sid, not quite removed yet | 01:43 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Ah, even better. | 01:44 |
| ScottK | jgoppert: Work on getting it fixed in Debian and then have it sync'ed it Ubuntu. | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | if you're really keen, offer to adopt the package in debian if you want to maintain it :) | 01:44 |
| ScottK | Personally, with still 5% of the existing Ubuntu archive unable to be built from source, I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of adding more stuff we need to maintain to an LTS release. | 01:45 |
| jgoppert | well i'm really just a beginner, i just disabled jscalibrator which was the only really gtk dependency | 01:46 |
| jgoppert | only 5%, wow i didn't know that | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | looks like persia was offering to help maintain it in the debian games SVN repository | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | 5% is still too high | 01:47 |
| jgoppert | oh i read that backward, lol | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | everything in a release should be buildable on that release, IMO | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | but that's a lot of work for stuff carried forward over a few years :) | 01:47 |
| jgoppert | i was relying on checkinstall for the longest time, finally took the plunge into real packaging | 01:48 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: My proposal is another rebuild test and remove the binaries for anything that FTBFS. That way we know everything was at least buildable at some point during the cycle. | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: debian has it slightly easier in that stuff can be ejected from testing without being removed altogether | 01:48 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 01:48 |
| ScottK | We could at least not deliver binaries we don't have a hope of building. | 01:49 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: I got one package removed in Karmic that hadn't been touched since Warty. | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | that's probably worthwhile | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | was this one of the ones imported from apt-get.org that we were discussing? | 01:49 |
| ScottK | I think so | 01:49 |
| ScottK | It was never in Debian. | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | LTS is a good time for a cleanup | 01:50 |
| wgrant | You can check the old -changes archives to see where something came from. | 01:50 |
| jgoppert | when is the next lts release? | 01:51 |
| wgrant | jgoppert: 10.04 | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | in april 2010, the development of it is just starting | 01:51 |
| jgoppert | nice, hopefully i'll be able to contribute by then to the packaging effort | 01:52 |
| jgoppert | so basically debuild -S just doesn't produce the .deb files | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | yes, -S means source-only, which is what's required for uploading to launchpad | 01:55 |
| jgoppert | ok and it looks like it appends source instead of the dist, so i'm assuming thats how apt-get source works? | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | apt-get source just grabs the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc & .diff.gz files listed in the repository's Sources index | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | basically just what you upload | 01:56 |
| jgoppert | ok, so this is a typical name to upload libjsw_1.5.6-0ubuntu3~hsl1_source.changes | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | with dput, yes | 01:57 |
| jgoppert | cool, how do i get files off there, because i uploaded a whole set with amd64 instead of source in the name | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | if you uploaded them to a PPA, they would have been rejected | 01:58 |
| jgoppert | ok, the command line didn't say anything, i guess i have to wait for launchpad to process it? | 01:59 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:00 |
| jgoppert | ok, so if i started to maintain libjsw, what do i need to do, do i just upload to a different ppa? | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | maintenance would preferably be done in debian, because the maintainer has offered the package for adoption there | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | either way, you'd need to start off by getting the package upload sponsored | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | that is, someone with upload rights would need to upload it to debian or ubuntu | 02:03 |
| jgoppert | yeah, i tried to upload to my personal ppa and i got this? Rejected: | 02:04 |
| jgoppert | The signer of this package has no upload rights to this distribution's primary archive. Did you mean to upload to a PPA? | 02:04 |
| jgoppert | Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'CURRENT' state. | 02:04 |
| jgoppert | libjsw (1:1.5.6-0ubuntu3~hsl1) karmic; urgency=low | 02:04 |
| jgoppert | * Disabled jscalibrator due to gtk 1.2 dependency. | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | how did you try & upload to a PPA? | 02:04 |
| * ajmitch can't remember the relevant dput option to automatically pick your ppa | 02:05 | |
| jgoppert | oh wow i didn't specify my ppa, guess thats how i upload to the real ubntu? | 02:05 |
| wgrant | That is the real Ubuntu, yes. | 02:05 |
| wgrant | dput ppa:user/ppa blah.changes | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | thanks wgrant | 02:05 |
| jgoppert | cool, yeah i think i got it now | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | saves me digging around for it | 02:06 |
| jgoppert | thanks for your help guys, has really helped me figure this out | 02:07 |
| * wgrant stabs Soyuz sample data in the face a few times. | 02:07 | |
| ajmitch | wgrant: make some better sample data | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | how goes the great overhaul for new-style source packages? | 02:09 |
| wgrant | Nearly there. Nearly there. | 02:09 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: sample data *is the problem* | 02:09 |
| wgrant | sample data is useful. | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: I'd believe it, I hate trying to test some of the stuff I do at work due to having to create sample data for the weird corner cases | 02:10 |
| jgoppert | success, 2 pending builds | 02:10 |
| jgoppert | :-) | 02:10 |
| jgoppert | what is lpia, is that like the atom processor? | 02:13 |
| ScottK | jgoppert: It is, but technically it's just like i386 now | 02:14 |
| ScottK | Up through Jaunty there was some attempt at optimization for Atom, but it was dropped in Karmic. | 02:14 |
| jgoppert | oh ok, thanks, yeah i've got a little dell mini 9 | 02:15 |
| wgrant | Is it kept in karmic for the lpia-specific functionality patches, or just for the upgrade path? | 02:15 |
| jgoppert | how long do personal ppa builds take? | 02:17 |
| lifeless | depends | 02:17 |
| wgrant | jgoppert: If you click on the architecture label in the appropriate row of your PPA table, it will give you an estimate of the start time. | 02:18 |
| wgrant | Although in two days that will be wildly inaccurate :( | 02:18 |
| jgoppert | why is that? | 02:18 |
| wgrant | Internal build queueing changes. | 02:18 |
| wgrant | Without corresponding queue length calculation changes. | 02:18 |
| jgoppert | 5 hours.. ouch | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | inaccurate as in a few hours/days? | 02:19 |
| lifeless | wgrant: :( | 02:19 |
| wgrant | ajmitch: Depends on the length of the queue. | 02:19 |
| wgrant | Basically, build will become a lot more serial from Thursday. | 02:19 |
| wgrant | *builds | 02:19 |
| wgrant | So the estimate will be lower than it should be. | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | do any of the PPA buildds get repurposed for the flood of autosyncs for lucid? | 02:20 |
| wgrant | No. | 02:21 |
| * ScottK thinks the flood won't be so great if they sync from testing. | 02:21 | |
| jdong | that kinda was a surprise :) | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | there'll be enough updates | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | jdong: yes, for many people | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | I noticed it a few days before release when looking at the lucid schedule | 02:21 |
| jdong | heh I personally think it's slightly ironic to try something this drastically new for a LTS | 02:22 |
| ScottK | It was discussed at the last UDS, but for continuing to sync from testing after Debian freezes, not for the whole cycle. | 02:22 |
| wgrant | ScottK: There are still approximately far too many. | 02:22 |
| wgrant | ScottK: The page is still loading... | 02:22 |
| lifeless | ScottK: didn't you hear, its more stable. | 02:22 |
| wgrant | 2432 syncs fro | 02:22 |
| wgrant | ... from Squeeze | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: sure, and how many people run testing compared to unstable? | 02:22 |
| wgrant | 1117 merges. | 02:22 |
| jdong | it'll be even more stable if we swap out the init daemon after feature freeze again! | 02:22 |
| jdong | oh wait *cough* | 02:22 |
| jdong | *goes back to his corner* | 02:23 |
| ScottK | Well it makes "get it into Debian so we don't maintain it" a lot harder to sell. | 02:23 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: turn up the gain on your sarcasm detector | 02:23 |
| ScottK | jdong: If it was insanity, it was at least planned insanity. | 02:23 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: going to pyconnz? | 02:23 |
| wgrant | ScottK: It's not much of a problem; I don't imagine that Squeeze will freeze before Lucid. | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: don't worry, I knew it was sarcasm :) | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | and yes, I'm heading up on friday | 02:23 |
| ScottK | wgrant: It's scheduled for March. | 02:23 |
| wgrant | ScottK: Ha ha ha. | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | wgrant: you sound like you don't believe that | 02:24 |
| ScottK | wgrant: No, freeze schedules are reasonably reliable. It's release schedules that are unbelievable. | 02:24 |
| jgoppert | hey guys i tested my packaged in pbuilder and had this error? The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 02:25 |
| jgoppert | pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libgtk1.2-dev which is a virtual package. | 02:25 |
| jgoppert | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: | 02:25 |
| jgoppert | Remove the following packages: | 02:25 |
| jgoppert | pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy | 02:25 |
| jgoppert | I grepped for libgtk and got nothing left after i wiped it out. | 02:26 |
| jdong | gtk1 is poof, is it not? | 02:27 |
| wgrant | Does anybody recall if all the buildds are running Hardy yet? | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | jdong: it is | 02:27 |
| jgoppert | yeah it is, i'm repackaging libjsw from jaunty | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | jgoppert: make sure you're building your revision of the package | 02:27 |
| jgoppert | oh, good call, let me check | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | since I can see on LP that you removed the libgtk1.2-dev from build-depends | 02:27 |
| jgoppert | the dangers of wildcard, lol *.dsc.. oops | 02:29 |
| jdong | indeed | 02:30 |
| jdong | it's certainly caused directhex to accidentally shove 2 or 20 packages into the Ubuntu queue | 02:30 |
| jgoppert | good thing i did that forgot a -f on a rm command | 02:30 |
| jdong | *ducks* :) | 02:30 |
| jgoppert | lol wow | 02:30 |
| jdong | lazy typing FTW :) | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | jdong: I'm sure he'd never ever do such a mistake | 02:30 |
| jdong | lol he fixed his overzealous dput by now :) | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | besides, he's probably not awake at the moment to hassle about it | 02:31 |
| jdong | lol I'm sure I'll be slapped by the time I wake up tomorrow morning | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | we can only hope | 02:32 |
| serialorder | jgoppert: you are still applying patches in debian/patches that modify files in jscalibrator/ which seems a little bit silly since you arent building that package. It wont prevent it from building correctly though | 02:33 |
| jgoppert | serialorder, to my knowledge i didn't modify anything in jscalibrator, i just removed the statements dealing with it and eliminated the gtk dependency? | 02:35 |
| jgoppert | ok so i jacked up and submitted a package on my ppa without checking it with pbuilder, how best to delete the old one and submit the new one? | 02:35 |
| kklimonda | jgoppert, upload a new one with a newer version | 02:38 |
| kklimonda | jgoppert, you cn try deleting it from ppa but I've had mixed results with that :) | 02:38 |
| jgoppert | ok thanks | 02:38 |
| ScottK | Even if you've deleted it, you still need to increment the revision | 02:39 |
| serialorder | jgoppert: if i were packaging this I would split those patches into two sets of files. Those that patch files in jscalibrator and those that don't. Then you can enable to non-jscalibrator patches in 00list and leave the others out. It just seems wrong to patch files you aren't going to use. | 02:39 |
| wgrant | You can never upload the same version again. | 02:40 |
| wgrant | You can sometimes upload an older version if you really know what you're doing. | 02:40 |
| wgrant | But it should not be relied upon. | 02:40 |
| jgoppert | oh i see, yeah those were from the old package, i didn't modify those, i figure i might get around to fixing the gtk stuff in jscalibrator eventually and don't want to mess up what was done there | 02:41 |
| jgoppert | warning: the current version (1:1.5.6-0ubuntu3~hsl1) is smaller than the previous one (1:1.5.6-0ubuntu3) | 02:42 |
| wgrant | That's true. | 02:42 |
| jgoppert | what should i do about this, take ubuntu back down to 3? | 02:42 |
| jgoppert | i mean zero? | 02:42 |
| wgrant | What's the current version? | 02:42 |
| wgrant | In Ubuntu, that is. | 02:42 |
| jgoppert | well in jaunty 0ubuntu3 | 02:42 |
| jgoppert | nothing in karmic | 02:42 |
| wgrant | Perhaps make it 3+hsl1 | 02:42 |
| wgrant | Since your package is not less than the old version. | 02:43 |
| jgoppert | what if i went to 0ubuntu4~hsl1 so if some other packager releases a new one it will overtake mine? | 02:44 |
| syn-ack | hrm | 02:44 |
| jgoppert | is that what they would do typically going from jaunty 0ubuntu3 to karmic? | 02:44 |
| wgrant | jgoppert: -0ubuntu3+blah has that same property. -0ubuntu4 is greater than it. | 02:44 |
| wgrant | The next official version will be at least -0ubuntu4. | 02:45 |
| jgoppert | ok, thanks | 02:45 |
| syn-ack | there was a link in the topic... I think in here wrt open week? anyone happen to know what it is? | 02:45 |
| jgoppert | i'll go with the + then | 02:45 |
| syn-ack | neeeever mind... Sorry to bug yall it was in yet another ubuntu related channel. | 02:48 |
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| eboyjr | Can I get my patch sponsored? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/470008 | 04:12 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 470008 in gnome-control-center "The Custom option in "Visual Effects" tab of Appearance Preferences should be shown even if simple-ccsm is not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 04:12 |
| Amaranth | eboyjr: that's in main and the desktop team handles it so you'll want to talk to the folks in #ubuntu-desktop | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | eboyjr: but they won't be around for at least 3 more hours | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | and it's too early to upload anything to lucid | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | eboyjr: and it can't go into karmic because it's not a critical issue and it's sort of a UI change | 04:26 |
| eboyjr | Okay and why won't they be around? | 04:26 |
| eboyjr | Ah | 04:26 |
| Amaranth | eboyjr: they're all in europe :) | 04:26 |
| Amaranth | oh, and you need to attach a diff of the diff | 04:26 |
| JanC | reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess might be useful too | 04:26 |
| Amaranth | or a debdiff would be even better | 04:26 |
| eboyjr | Those are the pages I read and okay I'll try to make a debdiff somehow whatever that it | 04:28 |
| eboyjr | s/it/is | 04:28 |
| JanC | they'll probably want a patch against the lucid version too, by the time it's ready | 04:28 |
| JanC | ;) | 04:28 |
| jgoppert | hey if i have a package on my ppa thats not yet in ubuntu would the version be opencv-2.0.0-0hsl1 or 0ubuntu0+hsl1 | 04:28 |
| eboyjr | LOL I'll just leave my patch out there in cyberspace then... | 04:29 |
| * Amaranth really wants to redo that whole tab anyway | 04:30 | |
| Amaranth | or at least the code behind it, the UI is fine | 04:30 |
| eboyjr | Ah I like my feature though so please let me implement it (or have it implemented for me). But can I have a bug to fix then? I'm in a code-y mood | 04:33 |
| jgoppert | hey any way to get autotools to dump library dependencies to control file | 04:35 |
| Amaranth | eboyjr: there are something like 80,000 bugs open | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | finding one to fix should not be a problem :) | 04:36 |
| eboyjr | Haha I'm looking for a juicy bug thanks =) | 04:37 |
| lifeless | eboyjr: do a sort byb importance, pick one | 04:37 |
| lifeless | jgoppert: not currently | 04:37 |
| jgoppert | lifeless: thanks, that too bad | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | lifeless: all the critical bugs are hard | 04:40 |
| Amaranth | although some of the High ones can be pretty easy | 04:40 |
| jgoppert | so is my only option to add one library at a time using pbuilder to find the missing ones until it is all done? | 04:40 |
| eboyjr | By importance, I get bug from Edgy and stuff :P | 04:40 |
| lifeless | jgoppert: yes, or read the configure script | 04:40 |
| jgoppert | thanks | 04:40 |
| lifeless | (.in or .ac I mean) | 04:40 |
| jgoppert | if you have a really long list of dependencies in a control file is there a line continuation or do you just keep typing? | 04:44 |
| lifeless | theres a continuation | 04:45 |
| jgoppert | \ ? | 04:45 |
| lifeless | see policy for file format information | 04:45 |
| lifeless | [I could just tell you, but then you'd not know how to find the answer to the next question :)] | 04:45 |
| jgoppert | true .. lol | 04:45 |
| jgoppert | well where is the policy file ? | 04:46 |
| lifeless | apt-get install debian-policy | 04:46 |
| jgoppert | thanks | 04:46 |
| lifeless | dpkg -L debian-policy | 04:46 |
| jgoppert | got it :-) | 04:51 |
| jgoppert | how often do you guys update your pbuilder, roughly speaking | 05:08 |
| lifeless | jgoppert: every build, precisely speaking | 05:11 |
| jgoppert | yeah i guess you are right, no reason to risk it | 05:12 |
| jmarsden | Why might I be seeing idle builders at http://launchpad.net/builders, but LP tells me my PPA builds will start in 4 hours... ? | 05:31 |
| hellothere1 | time constraints..... | 05:32 |
| micahg | Archive builders are empty, PPA builders are busy | 05:32 |
| jmarsden | Ah, OK... and we can't use empty archive builders for PPA work... because a PPA build might take a long time and a new urgent archive build *might* come along in the meantime? Or are they really configured very differently? | 05:34 |
| micahg | different build farm | 05:35 |
| jmarsden | It would be more efficient to have a single queue, at least in theory... oh well. I can attempt to be patient :) | 05:36 |
| ScottK | For something that's urgent you can ping a buildd admin to get a build rescored. | 05:37 |
| jmarsden | My stiff is not urgent, it just seems sad to have build hardware waiting idle and a multi hour backlog of builds... | 05:38 |
| jmarsden | *stuff | 05:38 |
| * eboyjr didn't know Launchpad had a build farm that is crazy cool | 05:38 | |
| jmarsden | eboyjr: Yes. When you upload a package to your PPA it gets built on multiple architechures automatically... that what the (PPA) build farm does. See https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA | 05:41 |
| ScottK | jmarsden: I'd tend to go the other way. The Ubuntu toolchain maintainers are working on getting the toolchain for Lucid ready right now. I think the notion that a PPA upload might be allowed to block progress on getting Lucid open for development quite odd. | 05:42 |
| eboyjr | O I C it uses Xen | 05:43 |
| jmarsden | ScottK: Well, sure, if they need the hardware they should be able to grab it. Even kill a PPA build in progress and requeue it, if necessary. But that's surely doable with mimimal delay and would thus allow idle hardware to be used when toolchain maintainers *don't* have need of it. | 05:44 |
| micahg | Maybe make a feature request in soyuz | 05:45 |
| ScottK | jmarsden: It takes a buildd admin to kill a build, so it's not always doable with minimal delay | 05:46 |
| ScottK | There is work in progress to pool the buildd's, but I don't know the details. | 05:47 |
| jmarsden | ScottK: OK. I had assumed they already *were* a single pool, basically. | 05:47 |
| ScottK | No. One of the big differences is that PPA buildds are virtualized and the distro buildd's aren't. | 05:48 |
| jmarsden | OK. Just for curiosity... is that for "historical" reasons, or do distro buildd's actually *need* to be real physical machines? | 05:49 |
| eboyjr | I would assume that PPAs are only virtualized for security reasons | 05:55 |
| JanC | I guess one reason is that virtualization helps a bit with security (everybody can try to abuse a PPA builder) | 05:55 |
| JanC | heh :P | 05:55 |
| eboyjr | lol.. | 05:55 |
| eboyjr | And that distro builds need to be able to be built on physical machines for e.g. testing | 05:56 |
| eboyjr | testing as in other people can fixs bugs and compile on their own system | 05:56 |
| JanC | well, it also helps that you can use a pre-made image to boot a builder, so that would be useful for the distro builders too | 05:56 |
| jgoppert | can anyone help me, i've got zlib as a dependency in my control file but when i use pbuilder its getting undefined references to symbols in the zlib library, what could be going on? | 06:40 |
| micahg | jgoppert: do you have the -dev version as the build-dep? | 06:41 |
| jgoppert | for opencv-dev i have zlib1g-dev, for opencv2 i have zlib1g | 06:42 |
| jgoppert | micahg: for opencv-dev i have zlib1g-dev, for opencv2 i have zlib1g | 06:44 |
| micahg1 | can you pastebin your contorl file? | 06:45 |
| micahg1 | *control | 06:45 |
| lifeless | jgoppert: you shouldn't manually list the binary library | 06:46 |
| lifeless | jgoppert: shlib-deps will get that for you\ | 06:46 |
| jgoppert | thats what i thought but i was getting that error so i thought it missed it, what could be wrong then | 06:46 |
| jgoppert | Source: opencv | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | Priority: extra | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | Maintainer: James Goppert <jgoppert@users.sourceforge.net> | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), autotools-dev | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | Standards-Version: 3.8.1 | 06:47 |
| jmarsden | jgoppert: use pastebin please :) | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | what's pastebin? | 06:47 |
| jgoppert | is it an irc command? | 06:48 |
| jmarsden | !pastebin | 06:48 |
| StevenK | !pastebin | 06:48 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 06:48 |
| StevenK | jmarsden: Sorry :-) | 06:48 |
| jgoppert | !pastebinit | 06:48 |
| ubottu | pastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin . Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output. Simple usage: command-name | pastebinit | 06:48 |
| jgoppert | !pastebin | 06:49 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 06:49 |
| jgoppert | http://paste.ubuntu.com/307295/ | 06:49 |
| micahg1 | jgoppert: you probably need to add zlib1g-dev to the source build-depends on line 4 | 06:51 |
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| jgoppert | so build depends is everything needed to build the package then, and the others are just for package management? | 06:53 |
| micahg | yes, anything that needs to be installed alongside the package in question | 06:53 |
| jgoppert | so i'm assuming all of my -dev's need to go up there? | 06:53 |
| micahg | most likely, if they're needed for building | 06:53 |
| jgoppert | i see | 06:53 |
| jgoppert | thanks | 06:54 |
| micahg | np | 06:55 |
| jgoppert | so should i remove the -dev's from the opencv-dev ? | 06:55 |
| jgoppert | and i definetly should remove the libs opencv2 right? | 06:55 |
| micahg | yes, shlibs should take care of that as lifeless said | 06:56 |
| jgoppert | ok , what about on opencv-dev leave the -dev packages? | 06:56 |
| micahg | jgoppert: I don't know | 06:57 |
| micahg | maybe someone else can answer :) | 06:57 |
| jgoppert | hope so :-), i'll go ahead and launch my pbuilder and cross my fingers | 06:59 |
| hyperair | hmm packaging libraries here? | 06:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:14 |
| eboyjr | MoinMoin | 09:16 |
| DexterLB | hello | 09:31 |
| DexterLB | in which channel can I ask about packaging and debuild errors etc? | 09:31 |
| jmarsden | DexterLB: This one. | 09:32 |
| DexterLB | ah ok | 09:32 |
| DexterLB | I've made my first cmake app and it works! now I want to make a debian package | 09:33 |
| DexterLB | I use cdbs and when I do 'debuild -S -sa -k<my key>' it creates and signs the source-only package as expected but if I do 'debuild -sa -k<my key>' to create a binary package it does build it and puts the binaries in the right place in the debian folders, but I get an error. http://pastebin.com/m1253c568 | 09:33 |
| DexterLB | what list file is dpkg-buildpackage referring to? | 09:33 |
| DexterLB | actually dpkg-genchanges | 09:34 |
| jmarsden | I think one it uses itself. Does a straight debuild (with no options) work? | 09:35 |
| DexterLB | I'll try now | 09:35 |
| DexterLB | same error | 09:37 |
| DexterLB | :( | 09:37 |
| DexterLB | should I pastebin my rules, changelog and control files? | 09:38 |
| jmarsden | Hmmm. Sounds to me like a cmake-specific thing. I'm no expert at all on cmake and it is 1:38am here... I'd suggest you see if someone else has better ideas than mine :) | 09:39 |
| DexterLB | it's 11:38am here | 09:40 |
| DexterLB | I'll ask google (again) :D | 09:41 |
| slytherin | DexterLB: Do you have a install file in debian/ directory? | 09:41 |
| DexterLB | no | 09:43 |
| DexterLB | cd debian && ls: http://pastebin.com/m578e5eb7 | 09:43 |
| jmarsden | DexterLB: One thought before I sleep: you are using a -1ubuntu1 version number, is there really a -1 package of this software already in Debian? If not, use -0ubuntu1 .. I wonder if that is confusing anything related to the error you are seeing?? | 09:44 |
| DexterLB | oops | 09:44 |
| DexterLB | wait, I'll try | 09:44 |
| DexterLB | good night btw | 09:44 |
| jmarsden | Goodnight. | 09:45 |
| DexterLB | I removed all .ex files from debian and fixed 1ubuntu1 to 0ubuntu1 | 09:46 |
| DexterLB | now building... | 09:46 |
| DexterLB | and same error | 09:47 |
| DexterLB | slytherin: here are the contents of debian/ : changelog compat control copyright dirs docs README.Debian rules | 09:50 |
| slytherin | DexterLB: that is your problem. You need to have install file specifying what all files should go into the resulting .deb package. | 09:51 |
| DexterLB | BUT | 09:51 |
| DexterLB | cdbs executes make install | 09:52 |
| DexterLB | and after the debuild, despite the error, there is a folder debian/timelapse/usr/bin which contains the executable | 09:52 |
| jmarsden | DexterLB: Yes, but I think what slytherin is saying is that debuild doesn't know it should package those files, until you tell it to do so. | 09:53 |
| jmarsden | By listing usr/bin/whatever in a file named debian/install | 09:54 |
| DexterLB | aaah | 09:54 |
| DexterLB | so I create a file debian/install containing "debian/timelapse ." | 09:56 |
| DexterLB | or "debian/timelapse/usr/bin/timelapse usr/bin/timelapse" for file-specific | 09:57 |
| jmarsden | DexterLB: No, containing the one line /usr/bin/timelapse if that is the file you are packaging. | 09:57 |
| DexterLB | I'll try | 09:57 |
| jmarsden | Sorry, make that usr/bin/timelapse, no leading / if I remember rightly. | 09:57 |
| DexterLB | yeah | 09:57 |
| DexterLB | ok | 09:57 |
| gaspa | dholbach: around? have you a moment? | 09:58 |
| DexterLB | did it, built, same error :( | 10:00 |
| dholbach | gaspa: yep | 10:07 |
| gaspa | warp10 and I have a question for you ;) | 10:08 |
| dholbach | sure | 10:08 |
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| gaspa | dholbach: we're in #6had, just to not bother this channel... k? | 10:12 |
| DexterLB | rules: http://pastebin.com/m772a1040 | 10:13 |
| DexterLB | control: http://pastebin.com/mbebecd0 | 10:13 |
| DexterLB | changelog: http://pastebin.com/m42a68215 | 10:13 |
| Rocha | good morning | 11:52 |
| Rocha | i want to file a bug report for rhythmbox and i can't because i'm behind a proxy server | 11:54 |
| Rocha | how should i file the bug? | 11:54 |
| Rocha | the "report a problem" from the help menu doesn't support proxy | 11:54 |
| micahg | Rocha: ubuntu-bug? | 11:58 |
| Rocha | i suppose ubuntu-bug uses apport | 11:59 |
| Rocha | and apport doesn't support proxy | 11:59 |
| Rocha | but i'll try anyway | 11:59 |
| Rocha | micahg: yes, i'm correct, it doens't work | 12:00 |
| Rocha | i filed the bug to rhythmbox's bugzilla | 12:01 |
| micahg | Rocha: instructions for manually filing are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 12:01 |
| Rocha | i just wanted to report that rhythmbox can't get track names if you're behind a proxy | 12:02 |
| Rocha | micahg: i've already read that | 12:02 |
| micahg | obviously not | 12:02 |
| micahg | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net | 12:02 |
| Rocha | sorry, i really missed that | 12:03 |
| micahg | :) | 12:03 |
| slytherin | Rocha: may be the problem is with your proxy | 12:04 |
| Rocha | i'll get the source for rhythmbox to see if i can fix the bug | 12:04 |
| Rocha | slytherin: i suppose the protocol is the same for all proxies | 12:05 |
| Rocha | if other applications work, rhythmbox should work too | 12:05 |
| Rocha | i'm using a web based chat client throught proxy using firefox | 12:05 |
| Rocha | i've just found a bug in gnome-panel also | 12:07 |
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| Rocha | i hope this bug is easy to fix | 12:23 |
| Rocha | unfortunately rhythmbox is coded in C | 12:24 |
| Rocha | i don't know why people insist on using C for desktop applications | 12:24 |
| Rocha | slytherin: i just installed banshee and it gets the track names, so it's really lack of proxy support in rhythmbox | 12:27 |
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| serialorder | I am looking at http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html and I am wondering why there are FTBFS for superseded packages, anyone care to explain? | 13:22 |
| wgrant | serialorder: Those are packages that failed to build in the rebuild archive, but were subsequently superseded by packages in the primary archive. | 13:23 |
| wgrant | serialorder: Most likely making the results unuseful. | 13:23 |
| serialorder | i guess i am trying to figure out why we would care that they FTBFS if they have been superseded by a newer version? Unless I misunderstand supersede? | 13:25 |
| Laney | That was the archive as at 09/09/09 | 13:26 |
| Laney | things may have changed since then | 13:26 |
| serialorder | oh so its not the package that has been superseded its the build? | 13:27 |
| serialorder | its not that a new upstream version has come out but that there has been a new build process | 13:28 |
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| jdong | ugh | 14:22 |
| jdong | I'm a bit upset with bug 216398 | 14:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 216398 in dosemu "default mmap_min_addr breaks dosemu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216398 | 14:23 |
| jdong | did we really SRU dosemu to set mmap_min_addr back to 0 for the *entire system*? | 14:23 |
| jdong | maybe I should SRU a firegpg package to rm /etc/init/apparmor.conf because it prevents accessing my GnuPG keys. | 14:23 |
| jdstrand | jdong: /etc/init/apparmor.conf... I don't have that file? | 14:25 |
| jdong | whatever file stops apparmor from loading at boot. | 14:25 |
| jdstrand | jdong: you are referring to mmap_min_addr still? that is a sysctl value and nothing to do with apparmor | 14:26 |
| jdong | it would've at least been nice to have a postinst warning dialog that installing dosemu will defeat a security feature | 14:26 |
| jdong | jdstrand: apparmor was just an example for another security feature on by default | 14:26 |
| jdstrand | jdong: firegpg is for firefox? | 14:27 |
| jdstrand | jdong: the firefox apparmor profile is not enabled by default | 14:27 |
| jdong | ok forget that example | 14:27 |
| jdong | I also do not see a motu-sru ACK on the bug | 14:28 |
| falktx | i've something to ask to you, motu guys | 14:29 |
| * jdstrand finally gets jdong's point | 14:30 | |
| falktx | i've written a software some time ago | 14:30 |
| falktx | what do I need to do to make it go to Lucid universe? | 14:30 |
| jdong | it would seem like wine does the same | 14:31 |
| jdstrand | jdong: so, I think kees had some ideas for mmap_min_addr on a per application basis (dosemu and wine are the two I know of) | 14:31 |
| jdong | jdstrand: yeah, that's what I would've expected to be the solution in the first place... | 14:31 |
| jdstrand | jdong: I don't recall off-hand what he had in mind, but it requires changes to the system iirc | 14:31 |
| jdstrand | jdong: it isn't possible atm | 14:32 |
| jdong | understood | 14:32 |
| jdstrand | but there might be a way to do it | 14:32 |
| jdong | I think particularly for something like dosemu, should a user be told "Installing this will defeat a security feature put in place to prevent a recent class of root exploits from reoccuring".... | 14:32 |
| jdstrand | jdong: for some reason, I want to say it actually *does* have something to do with apparmor... | 14:32 |
| jdong | the user might not want the package anymore | 14:32 |
| jdstrand | it is starting to come back now | 14:32 |
| jdstrand | I think jj and kees thought we might be able to add a feature to AA that would allow you to specify the mmap_min_addr in the profile somehow | 14:33 |
| jdstrand | and override the system default | 14:33 |
| jdong | ah cool | 14:33 |
| jdong | SELinux currently has this capability, right? | 14:33 |
| jdstrand | so dosemu and wine could conceivably have a very lenient profile that changes the mmap_min_addr | 14:34 |
| jasonix | hi all - just getting started here - excited about ubuntu - checked out the contributing wiki - so, first, do I simply start with BugSquad??? | 14:34 |
| jdstrand | jdong: it has something like this, but it caused them some grief not too long ago | 14:34 |
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| falktx | no one cares about me? | 14:35 |
| kklimonda | btw, why was apparmor chosen over selinux? I can't seem find a good rationale anywhere | 14:35 |
| jdstrand | jdong: it would obviously have to be done right so that it didn't introduce any holes and couldn't be circumvented | 14:35 |
| Pici | !newpackage | falktx | 14:35 |
| ubottu | falktx: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 14:35 |
| jdstrand | kklimonda: wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor | 14:35 |
| jdong | ah, right | 14:35 |
| jdong | they had SELinux and mmap_min_addr patches fighting over the LSM hook | 14:35 |
| jdong | lol that's actually a bit morbidly funny :) | 14:35 |
| Pici | falktx: That should get you started. (I'm not a developer, so if you have any more specific questions, I'm afraid I probably can't help) | 14:36 |
| jdong | falktx: NewPackages has a good procedure for this. As a developer, I'll say that packaging it yourself is probably the fastest way to get it done | 14:37 |
| Rocha | i think ubuntu should come with banshee as the default music player | 14:37 |
| jdong | sitting around and/or filing "please package my cool app" bugs might have a very slow turnaround | 14:37 |
| micahg | jaytheblogger: depends what you want to do | 14:37 |
| jaytheblogger | well, I'm interested in getting more games packaged into Ubuntu - possibly becoming a MOTU developer as well | 14:38 |
| micahg | Rocha: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-default-media-player-choice | 14:38 |
| kklimonda | Rocha, there are still bugs in banshee that have to be fixed before it can be used as a default player | 14:38 |
| jaytheblogger | I read about the Debian games team, is that where most of that development work is done ? | 14:39 |
| falktx | I'm filling a bug report needs-packaging now | 14:39 |
| falktx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/471081 | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 471081 in ubuntu "QtSixA not in the ubuntu repos" [Undecided,New] | 14:40 |
| Rocha | kklimonda: rhythmbox doesn't work in my environment so i have to use banshee | 14:41 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg: the games team seems to be more of a marketing and promotion team than development | 14:41 |
| micahg | jaytheblogger: in Ubuntu, yes | 14:41 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg: so who decides what games get included with ubuntu ? is it that team ? | 14:42 |
| micahg | jaytheblogger: idk, I would think whatever is in Debian + whatever people package here | 14:43 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg: so as a newbie, can I package a game for Ubuntu that hasn't been packaged before ? | 14:44 |
| micahg | yes | 14:44 |
| micahg | but there's a process | 14:45 |
| falktx | changed description - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/471081 | 14:45 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 471081 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] QtSixA - The Sixaxis Joystick Manager" [Undecided,New] | 14:45 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg, right, I'm sure - there's a certain way to do it, a review process, etc. | 14:45 |
| micahg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 14:45 |
| falktx | i already have a valid debian source package (used in my PPA) | 14:47 |
| falktx | what should be my next move? | 14:47 |
| falktx | wait for approval? | 14:47 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg: OK, I will take a look at that - and packaging new stuff counts towards me eventually becoming a MOTU developer ? | 14:47 |
| falktx | or is there something I can do to speed-up? | 14:47 |
| falktx | i'm seeing REVU | 14:53 |
| falktx | I think I'm close... | 14:54 |
| jaytheblogger | micahg: OK, I will take a look at that - and packaging new stuff counts towards me eventually becoming a MOTU developer ? | 14:55 |
| directhex | yes | 14:55 |
| micahg | jaytheblogger: idk, I'm not a MOTU, I just try to answer what questions I can | 14:55 |
| jaytheblogger | OK, sorry - thanks for your help | 14:56 |
| falktx | I already uploaded to REVU | 14:57 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek kicking off in 1 minute in #ubuntu-classroom | 14:59 |
| kklimonda | thanks for reminding :) | 15:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya folks | 15:01 |
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| falktx | REVU page - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qtsixa | 15:09 |
| falktx | can someone review it? | 15:09 |
| falktx | I'm not with high hopes for this, but I though I should try | 15:09 |
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| iulian | Hello bddebian. | 15:11 |
| bddebian | Hi iulian | 15:11 |
| falktx | is there a motu that can help me, please....' | 15:13 |
| falktx | ? | 15:13 |
| falktx | patience is a virtude | 15:14 |
| mok0 | falktx: you can start by fixing the warning/notices given on revu's page | 15:16 |
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| falktx | "This package has no debian/watch file or get-orig-source rule" | 15:20 |
| falktx | what does that mean? | 15:20 |
| mok0 | falktx: you need a debian/watch file | 15:20 |
| mok0 | falktx: "man uscan" | 15:21 |
| falktx | still don't get it | 15:31 |
| falktx | what does the watch file does? | 15:31 |
| joaopinto | falktx, http://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch | 15:33 |
| gaspa | quadrispro: double personality? | 15:34 |
| quadrispro | lol | 15:34 |
| mok0 | falktx: the watch file enables an automatic check to see if a new version of the tarball has appeared | 15:35 |
| mok0 | falktx: ... it is used by uscan, that can also initiate a download of the new version | 15:35 |
| mok0 | falktx: To test, do: uscan --report-status | 15:36 |
| falktx | the debian wiki page was very useful, thanks | 15:40 |
| falktx | fixed now | 15:40 |
| falktx | everything fixed now | 15:45 |
| falktx | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qtsixa | 15:45 |
| mok0 | falktx: thx, now it's ready for review :-) | 15:46 |
| falktx | what do I need to do next? | 15:46 |
| falktx | just wait? | 15:46 |
| mok0 | Yes | 15:46 |
| mok0 | falktx: I will review it now | 15:47 |
| falktx | thanks | 15:48 |
| mok0 | falktx: I'm having problems with my sbuilder that I need to work out first :-( | 15:57 |
| falktx | no prob | 16:01 |
| falktx | how much time do you think you'll take? | 16:01 |
| falktx | 1 hour is enough? | 16:01 |
| mok0 | falktx: yeah, I'll post the review later tonight | 16:03 |
| falktx | i'll check tomorrow | 16:03 |
| falktx | thanks for helping me | 16:03 |
| mok0 | falktx: that'll be fine! | 16:03 |
| mok0 | falktx: np | 16:04 |
| falktx | see ya | 16:04 |
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| kklimonda | james_w, have a moment for another question? Why aren't svn tags imported to launchpad repository? for example when I check out transmission bzr repository I only get trunk and bzr tags returns nothing. | 16:32 |
| james_w | lp:transmission? | 16:32 |
| kklimonda | yes | 16:32 |
| james_w | I'm not sure why | 16:34 |
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| kklimonda | should I ask on #launchpad ? | 16:37 |
| jpds | kklimonda: I don't think bzr supports svn tags. | 16:43 |
| jpds | kklimonda: Try #bzr. | 16:44 |
| mok0 | Arggh, I need some help... I had problems with dbus not being configured in my karmic schroot environment, so I logged in and removed it (didn't think dbus was relevant in the schroot) but now it has bricked my _workstation_?!!? The LVM logical volume has gone | 16:45 |
| mok0 | When I boot I end up in the initramfs | 16:46 |
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| highvoltage | good evening | 18:12 |
| ari-tczew | hello highvoltage | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | heya ari-tczew | 18:18 |
| MsMaco | jdong: ping last comment on bug 415766 | 18:19 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/415766) | 18:19 |
| * MsMaco smacks ubottu | 18:19 | |
| jdong | MsMaco: haha look in #ubuntu-devel? :) | 18:32 |
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| stevecrozz | I'm trying to build a php package and I'm getting an error I don't understand libtool: 6624: cannot create sapi/apache2handler/mod_php5.loT: Directory nonexistent | 19:29 |
| stevecrozz | I get this after apt-get source php5, then dpkg-buildpackage | 19:30 |
| soren | ScottK: When I upload python-mhash, I think you mentioned someone to talk to if I wanted it sponsored into Debian.. Who might that have been? | 19:36 |
| ScottK | soren: POX on #debian-python on OFTC | 19:37 |
| soren | ScottK: Thanks. | 19:37 |
| ScottK | No problem. | 19:38 |
| MsMaco | win 23 | 19:39 |
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| fabrice_sp | Hi. For SRU, even if the package is in Universe, according to the wiki page, we subscribe ubuntu-sru. Is that new? | 20:09 |
| fabrice_sp | wasn't is motu-sru before? | 20:09 |
| jdong | fabrice_sp: it's eventually a part of the archive reorg that the two SRU teams harmonize into one big happy family... | 20:10 |
| jdong | was unaware it was happening so soon | 20:10 |
| fabrice_sp | oh: the archive reorg. You're right | 20:10 |
| DktrKranz | no more motu-sru? | 20:10 |
| fabrice_sp | according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, no | 20:11 |
| DktrKranz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=diff&rev2=137&rev1=136 | 20:14 |
| ari-tczew | 65 active members | 20:18 |
| ari-tczew | All members shows 4 users | 20:18 |
| ari-tczew | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members | 20:18 |
| jdong | ari-tczew: from registry administrators | 20:18 |
| jdong | either that or colin and martin count as 30 people each | 20:19 |
| jdong | I'd believe that as well! | 20:19 |
| ari-tczew | if this change will improve better SRU's management, it's ok | 20:35 |
| ari-tczew | SRU process so far has been a long and complicated | 20:35 |
| jdong | ari-tczew: the change only makes sense when the archive reorg happens | 20:35 |
| jdong | ari-tczew: well, in what way is it long and complicated? | 20:36 |
| jdong | unfortunately given the previous lessons we've had to learn the hard and bad way... the current procedure is the minimum required complexity for thoroughness | 20:36 |
| ari-tczew | previous SRU's procedure looked such as: file a bug (request for SRU), complete information (OK), subscribe one team, add tag, subscribe second team, remove tag, etc... | 20:41 |
| ari-tczew | and in result I need spamming motu-sru's members on their private mails to any move for my request | 20:41 |
| jdong | ari-tczew: we don't really mind the "spam" -- in fact I'd rather at any point in time know exactly what's going on with regards to SRU's and potential SRU's. | 20:42 |
| soren | How long does it usually take before a bug submitted to the Debian BTS turns up in the web interface or I get a confirmation e-mail? | 21:21 |
| av` | ~1 hour or more | 21:22 |
| DktrKranz | soren: it took longer these days because of some spam backlog, it should be quicker now | 21:22 |
| soren | Oh, ok. Lovely. It's only been 20 minutes so far, so everything is probably fine. Thanks! | 21:23 |
| DktrKranz | it took ~ 20 min to me | 21:23 |
| ajmitch | soren: did you attach with the mail the required food for the hamsters to process it? | 21:23 |
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| soren | ajmitch: Is that what normal people call a GPG signature? :) | 21:34 |
| ajmitch | no, the hamsters that run the mail servers | 21:37 |
| ajmitch | poor little things get tired out so eaily :) | 21:37 |
| ajmitch | s/eaily/easily/ | 21:37 |
| DktrKranz | soren: if you need a sponsor for your python-mhash ITP, feel free to ping. | 21:40 |
| * POX considers turning fast mode on (in order to collect another sponsoree ;) | 21:43 | |
| * DktrKranz sits down and let POX to rule :) | 21:43 | |
| POX | DktrKranz: well, even fast mode will not help as I have to change one of mine packages in order to upload one of packages | 21:44 |
| DktrKranz | heh | 21:44 |
| * ajmitch needs to catch up with whatever the current rules are on python packaging | 21:45 | |
| POX | (sponsoree already tested my patch, so using fast mode will be hard) | 21:45 |
| soren | POX: Oh, you're in here as well :) That's convenient. | 21:45 |
| ajmitch | 'fast mode'? | 21:46 |
| POX | 'fast mode' == find one serious bug and reply to the RFS mail | 21:46 |
| ajmitch | aha :) | 21:46 |
| Darxus | So, some people on the motu list are upset that Canonical made an arbitrary decision reguarding Ubuntu? | 21:46 |
| soren | POX: Which e-mail should I send the RFS e-mail to? | 21:47 |
| soren | Darxus: Which decision? | 21:47 |
| POX | soren: piotr@debian.org | 21:47 |
| Darxus | Subject: Re: Søren Hansen and Michael Bienia | 21:47 |
| soren | POX: Cool. On its way. | 21:47 |
| ajmitch | soren: I'm guessing the discussion over the MC extension | 21:47 |
| ajmitch | which turned into more of a discussion about communication | 21:47 |
| soren | Darxus: That was not CAnonical. It was the CC and DMB. | 21:48 |
| Darxus | Oh, what are CC and DMB? | 21:48 |
| soren | Darxus: Community Council and Developer Membership Board. | 21:49 |
| Darxus | Ah. | 21:49 |
| soren | POX: Sent. Thanks in advance. | 21:50 |
| Darxus | Really sounds like people mistook Ubuntu for a democracy. | 21:50 |
| joaopinto | Darxus, you should re-read that thread, producing incorrect statements on the channel does not improve communication | 21:56 |
| joaopinto | Darxus, oh sorry, that was question, no, that is not correct, if you seek further clarification read the thread | 21:58 |
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| randomaction | It's a pity, looks like sistpoty was really disappointed :( | 22:07 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, so that's why I was getting so many ubuntu-motu digests | 22:17 |
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| KurtKraut | I've made a rather complex shell script that I want to distribute to Ubuntu users. Making a .deb package is quite a rocket science, a thing more complex then my script itself. Autopackage.org seems to be abadoned. Any suggestion on ways to distribute software to Linux? | 23:01 |
| RAOF | KurtKraut: How many files is the shell script? | 23:02 |
| KurtKraut | RAOF, currently 2. | 23:03 |
| Darxus | That's not "a shell script" :P | 23:03 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, list it somewhere and provide instructions how to get it with wget ? | 23:04 |
| jdong | eh a simple deb file doesn't have to be rocket science here | 23:04 |
| jdong | as long as you don't care for packaging policy it should be a 5 minute job | 23:04 |
| * jdong watches the MOTU police swarm his dorm | 23:04 | |
| RAOF | Agreed. You're in the wrong channel for a simple deb file to be rocket science :) | 23:05 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, it is not a stand alone script. It has many dependencies. Distributing with a simple wget would force me to implement in the script all dependency check and upgrade system. | 23:05 |
| Darxus | KurtKraut: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide | 23:05 |
| RAOF | jdong: Surely you've got a better work flow than that! It wouldn't take me more than 5 minutes to make a policy-conformant package of a simple shell script! :P | 23:05 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, just add: sudo apt-get install blah blah, to your instructions ;) | 23:05 |
| KurtKraut | Darxus, I've read this guide and tried to use the examples provided, even copy & pasting it and it never works. I always get stuck to something. | 23:06 |
| jdong | KurtKraut: well asking a specific question will likely help you get un-stuck | 23:06 |
| jdong | I do think a simple deb is the proper way to do this | 23:06 |
| jdong | RAOF: well you're all magical :) | 23:06 |
| RAOF | Possibly because all the examples are going to include lots of steps that your shell script won't need at all. | 23:06 |
| Darxus | You could make a 1 line install script and run it through checkconfig :) | 23:06 |
| jdong | RAOF: I was thinking more of someone in KurtKraut's situation | 23:07 |
| KurtKraut | RAOF, that's one problem indeed but I skip all steps that aimed to compiling. | 23:07 |
| KurtKraut | I'll try making a .deb again and I'll ask a specific question when I get stuck. | 23:07 |
| jdong | sounds like a good way to go :) | 23:08 |
| Darxus | Yeah. | 23:08 |
| KurtKraut | A first problem: dh_make -e your.maintainer@address (as shown in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete) | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | It is asking me: | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | Type of package: single binary, indep binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module, kernel patch or cdbs? | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | [s/i/m/l/k/n/b] | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | - | 23:12 |
| KurtKraut | The last attempt I did I picked up 'indep binary'. Is that right for a shell script? | 23:12 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, just: dh_make -c gpl -b , it will be more simple for what you need | 23:14 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, ok. Proceeding. | 23:21 |
| KurtKraut | dh_make generated me a ../debian/control. Should I edit the 'Depends:' value manually? | 23:22 |
| azeem | KurtKraut: maybe | 23:22 |
| KurtKraut | azeem, it is already filled with 'Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}' | 23:23 |
| azeem | what else do you need? | 23:23 |
| KurtKraut | azeem, should I keep it and add the dependecies I know at the end? | 23:23 |
| azeem | which are? | 23:23 |
| KurtKraut | azeem, libnotify-bin, fping, dash, curl | 23:23 |
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| azeem | yes | 23:24 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, change the binary package archicture from Any to All, since it's a shell script | 23:25 |
| joaopinto | it's arch independent | 23:25 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, okay | 23:25 |
| KurtKraut | One of my dependencies are libnotify-bin. It's current version is 0.4.5-1ubuntu1. How should I place it in 'Depends:' on contro file? libnotify-bin (>=0.4.5-1ubuntu1) ? | 23:26 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, versions are not mandatory, if you are not sure it works with previous version, yes, set whatever it was tested with | 23:27 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, that's the approach I want to do: put the minimum tested versions | 23:28 |
| KurtKraut | Ok, control file done. Now the rules file... what should I put on it since it is a shell script? | 23:30 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, you just need | 23:31 |
| joaopinto | #!/usr/bin/make -f | 23:31 |
| joaopinto | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk | 23:31 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, there is a 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/makefile.mk' also, added by dh_make. Should I remove this line? | 23:32 |
| joaopinto | the debhelper.mk rules will call dh_install,dh_installdirs which is all you need | 23:32 |
| joaopinto | yes, that one is to use with "Makefile" | 23:32 |
| joaopinto | which you don't have :) | 23:32 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, ok. My package will contain two files: pomamonitor.sh and pomamonitor.conf - I'd like pomamonitor.conf to be kept in ~/.pomamonitor. What place should pomamonitor.sh be installed? /usr/bin? | 23:34 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, you don't install files into user's home dir from a .deb package | 23:35 |
| joaopinto | creating config files is a role for the app/script, not for the install process | 23:36 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, hm, ok. | 23:36 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, So where do I place pomamonitor.sh? | 23:36 |
| joaopinto | as for pomamonitor.sh, yes, usr/bin is fine | 23:36 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, and how I ser /usr/bin as its place? | 23:37 |
| KurtKraut | *how do I set | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | first edit your debian/dirs | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | those are the dirs that the package should create, keep only or add the one you need | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | then create a debian/install | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | there you list the files that will be intalled by the dh_install command | 23:37 |
| joaopinto | the format is: source destination | 23:38 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete told me to delete the dirs file and: 'At this point, you should have only changelog, compat, control, copyright, and rules files in the debian directory.' | 23:38 |
| joaopinto | example: src/pomamonitor.sh usr/bin | 23:38 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, well, we are not following the guide are we :) ? | 23:38 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, I was trying to but you're right. | 23:39 |
| joaopinto | anyway for usr/bin you can rm debian/dirs, it's created on the existing system for sure :P | 23:39 |
| joaopinto | it could be helpful for usr/share/myscripts :P | 23:39 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, so now I have a dirs file that contains only one line: src/pomamonitor.sh usr/bin | 23:41 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, is that right? | 23:41 |
| joaopinto | no, that was for debian/install | 23:42 |
| joaopinto | on debian/dirs you have a single dir per line | 23:42 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, and in my case, I don't need to have content in debian/dirs because I'll place pomamonitor.sh in /usr/bin, wich certainly already exists, right? | 23:43 |
| joaopinto | right | 23:43 |
| KurtKraut | okay | 23:43 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, about ~/.pomamonitor, you could install an /etc/default/pomamonitor.conf | 23:44 |
| joaopinto | however, it would be up to your script, to copy it to the user's home dir on the first run | 23:44 |
| joaopinto | and you should use ~/.config/ to be XDG compliant | 23:45 |
| RAOF | joaopinto, KurtKraut: Actually, you should use $XDG_CONFIG_DIR to be XDG compliant. | 23:46 |
| joaopinto | RAOF, right, I was just describing the default :P | 23:47 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, I'm thinking of not distributing a .conf file inside the .deb and then use dialog/zenity to ask for user's data on first run and then generate a conf on ~/.pomamonitor on the fly | 23:50 |
| joaopinto | ok, that would be another option | 23:50 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, so my debian/install file has a single line: src/pomamonitor.sh usr/bin | 23:51 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, is that right? | 23:51 |
| joaopinto | yes | 23:51 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, ok. So what is the next step? | 23:51 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, debian/copyright | 23:51 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, rm debian/{*.ex,*.EX,README.*} (not sure you did it already) | 23:53 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, yes, I did it already | 23:53 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, and I finished editing debian/copyright | 23:53 |
| joaopinto | ok, now, assuming tour DEB* environment varialbles are properly set | 23:53 |
| joaopinto | just: debuild | 23:53 |
| Darxus | Somebody should document this :P | 23:54 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, ... I guess I didn't set any sort of variables. What variables are you talking about? | 23:54 |
| joaopinto | DEBEMAIL, DEBFULLNAME | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | I believe they are mentioned on the wiki example | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | erm wait | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | the most importante one was missed | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | debian/changelog | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | use dci -i/-a to edit it | 23:55 |
| joaopinto | ops, dch | 23:56 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, ok, done | 23:59 |
| KurtKraut | joaopinto, and how do I set DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME? | 23:59 |
| joaopinto | KurtKraut, export DEBEMAIL=your_email | 23:59 |
| joaopinto | those ones should be on your shell profile | 23:59 |
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