[00:00] chuk, if you want to help finish converting the GUI in laga's absence, he's been MIA for a while wrg to myth* [00:01] how different is the new MCC? [00:01] and isn't it just a wrapper for the script? [00:01] well it was rearchitected to not be monolithic, but instead pluggable [00:01] so now it has a frontend that runs as a user and a backend that runs as root [00:02] rather than running the whole thing as root in one big ugly app [00:03] but isn't the real work in modifying the script for ltsp-build-client? [00:03] none of that should have changed [00:03] which is why most of the diskless stuff should still work [00:03] it just doesn't have the GUI wrapper around it [00:03] oh [00:03] I ran the script, but it built a thin client somehow [00:04] there are special arguments for mythbuntu builds [00:04] i dont know them off hand [00:04] but they're all supported still [00:04] yes, I ran those, can I paste the statement I ran here? [00:04] let me try to get laga in here, he's the one who understands the backend stuff more [00:05] i really dont know it offhand [00:05] sure, thanks [00:36] hmm [00:36] so I blew away my mythbuntu box [00:36] and did a fresh install [00:37] "Fetch channels from listings source" doesn't seem to ever return aynthing [00:37] I've let it sit for 37 minutes now [00:37] I can log in to the schedulesdirect.org website with the user/pass -- so I know that's not the issue [00:38] I can "Scan for Channels" and that works ... but the schedules direct listing channel names don't match the way the channels identify themselves (except for 1) so that's the problem [00:39] the Data Direct Lineups are fetched properly... [00:40] try running mythtv-setup in a terminal [00:40] and check the terminal output when selecting said option [00:40] good idea [00:43] hmm [00:43] no errors in the terminal at all [00:43] odd [00:44] no errors == working! [00:44] howdy [00:44] i don't think it's pulling it [00:44] :p [00:44] or no... [00:45] I'm going to try to match the channel names to what SchedulesDirect has listed on their website [00:45] hopefully that'll pull them down [00:45] does the mythtv binary from apt-get have VDPAU support? [00:45] one channel is syncing the listing... so I think I can use that as my starting point [00:46] I see it in the playback profiles, but when I select it, it doesn't work and the error log says it wasn't compiled [00:46] cyber - .22 does [00:46] the new MythTV Player 0.7 is AWESOME btw [00:46] I'm pretty sure that's what I'm running [00:47] how do I check the version? [00:48] I'm pretty sure it's .22 but I'd like to see the build [00:48] mythbackend --version [00:48] 22593 [00:48] 22594 I mean [00:49] also... I see using_vdpau in the options compiled in [00:51] are you having a problem with VDPAU? [00:52] yeah... I can't get it to work at all [00:53] when I go in to the plyaback options and tell it to use any of the VDPAU profiles [00:53] what video card, and have you set it up in the playback options [00:53] nvidia 8200 [00:53] pretty sure it's supported there [00:53] I'm using the 185 driver [00:53] it is, I have one [00:53] what does it do when you try to play? [00:54] screen stays black and mythfrontend locks up [00:54] I look in the error log and I see.... [00:54] * Cyber-Dogg getting text [00:54] VidOutVDPAU Error: Failed to initialise VDPAU [00:54] 2009-10-29 13:50:20.876 VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'vdpau' not available. [00:54] codec 'None' makes 'xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' available, using 'xv-blit' instead. [00:55] I've seen another error about it saying it's noot compiled [00:56] this one... Failed to initialise VDPAU 2009-10-29 13:50:22.790 VideoOutput, Error: Not compiled with any useable video output method. [00:57] really shouldn't be any trick to it, is is a clean 9.10 install? [00:57] yeah [00:57] reformatted and installed 9.10 [00:57] one person has suggested something with the video format... [00:57] I have a firewire connection to my STBs [00:58] so should be mpeg2 right? [00:58] and that should be acceleratable [00:58] yes and yes [00:58] and I'm not transcoding or anything [00:58] any thoughts? [00:59] any additional information that might shed some light on something? [00:59] you sure you are using nvidia driver and not fallback? [00:59] yeah... I went into the proprietary driver tool and set the 185 to active and rebooted [00:59] it shows as active now [01:00] can you try it with .mkv file instead of your STB? [01:00] where do I get one? :-) [01:01] which VDPAU should I use? [01:01] high quality or normal? [01:01] I just create my own profile [01:01] and I turn off all deinterlacing to start [01:01] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123095 [01:01] some samples in 3rd post [01:02] which file do you want me to try? [01:02] nature one should be good [01:03] and you might want to try mplayer, just to see if vdpau is working at all on your system [01:03] k [01:03] I don't have mplayer evidently :-) [01:03] getting that [01:05] ts or h264? [01:05] h264 [01:06] working fine [01:06] check your CPU usage [01:06] should be minimal [01:07] mplayer isn't in top [01:07] at all? [01:07] should be 5% or so [01:08] it hits 2% once in a while and then drops back to 0 and disappears from the top list [01:08] ok, I would try to create a new profile [01:08] and select VDAPU as the render and choose no deinterlacing [01:08] just so you don't mess with the built in ones [01:08] k [01:09] so do i just want one entry and have it be for all then? [01:09] thats that I do, just choose >=0 [01:10] ok... here we go... [01:10] same thing... [01:11] screen went black... [01:11] try adding that video you downloaded to your video library [01:11] and playing it with myths builtin player [01:11] and I assume that frontend is locked up because escape won't get me back to the menu [01:11] k [01:11] since we know that video works, it should work in myth, if it does, then you at least know the problem is something in your STB setup [01:11] k [01:13] my media library only has an option for recordings...? [01:13] how do I get videos in it? [01:13] add the directoy through setup? [01:13] have to define in on the backend setup mythtv-setup [01:13] k [01:16] k... I added the videos directory [01:16] is that all I need to do? [01:18] go in the frontend now and go to media library, watch videos [01:18] mythfilldatabase is running now [01:18] I think you may have to scan for changes, if you don't see the video, hit M, and choose scan for changes [01:18] k [01:19] I don't see watch videos in media library [01:19] only watch recordings still [01:19] oh, you may not have mythvideo install.... [01:19] apt-get install mythvideo [01:19] ah... yeah [01:19] k [01:19] definitely didn't do that yet [01:20] could tha be related? [01:21] I'm a bit surprised at the amount of CPU used by the frontend when it isn't being used. [01:22] ugh... [01:22] I'm seeing about 15% of a CPU for the process. [01:22] ok... now the video menu option is there... I have the file in /var/lib/mythtv/videos but it doesn't show in the list [01:22] Running strace shows "read(8, 0x9752b28, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" a lot [01:22] does anyone know if it is busy waiting on a resource? [01:24] superm1 : ping [01:25] Seems that patch for lirc (zilog) works for people : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294825&page=3 [01:26] Can you add it to lirc-modules-source? [01:26] h264 isn't in the file association list [01:27] should Interal be the player? [01:28] chuk: same thing... not compiled with any useable video output method [01:31] any thoughts on where I should look? [01:50] ... so quiet [01:52] so... I just saw other people online are having the same issue I am [01:52] http://www.mail-archive.com/universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg152251.html [02:19] Sorry I accidentally closed Pidgin. Anyone know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wouldn't work in karmic? By "not work", I mean not actually do anything - just return to the next line. [03:02] hi guys [03:02] a bit off topic [03:02] anyone know howto install boxee in 9.10? [03:03] no [03:04] waaaay OT lol [03:05] :) [03:11] it looks like it installs with this guide [03:11] http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=60489 [03:55] Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 92 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/translate.php on line 142 [04:01] forgetaboutit [04:20] Hello everyone [04:21] Does anyone know why when i press "Watch TV", the screen just flashes black for a split second then returns to "Watch TV" menu [04:21] ? [04:31] I just upgraded to Mythbuntu 9.10 today. I am getting the error on boot "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, buy there are no active recordings?". Restarting the baclend fixes it. In the forums there is a reference to this error only for the HDHomerun, I have 2 PVR-150s and a PVR-500. Has anyone seen this condition where mythtv-backen boots prior to the local tuners being ready? In 9.10 where can one change th [04:38] Does anyone know why when i press "Watch TV", the screen just flashes black for a split second then returns to "Watch TV" menu [04:38] ------------------------------------- [04:38] when i go to "information", it says "Tuner1 is unavailable" [04:39] but I know my tuner works fine, through "TVTime" [04:40] yfwork, Yeah, its on todo. i'll let you know when its on [04:44] whats the command to stop/start and see the status of mythtv-backend, please? [04:44] Cuco3... Sounds like you may have the same issue... [04:44] I thought it was "mythtv-backend status" or "mythtv-backend start" but it says command not found [04:44] sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart [04:44] ty [04:45] Guest09 I'm still on Jaunty, would that also affect me? [04:45] (the error you're experiencing) [04:45] If that works for you and it only is an issue on boot then we may have the same problem. [04:45] Maybe... Depens on your tuners and timing I suppose... [04:46] Cuco3 - Is it only at inital boot you are seeing this error? [04:46] hmm [04:46] nope, I tried restart, no luck [04:50] man I'm so dying to get this pvr going! :D [04:54] :/ [05:00] is a video source necessary? [05:03] Cuco3 - In the backend setup did you set up the tuner, source and then link them together? [05:04] lemme check. [05:04] i know I have the tuner [05:04] I'm not sure what a video source is :-/ [05:04] but I've tried configuring it [05:05] can you recommend what video source I should be using? [05:05] right now i have "transmitted guide only" [05:14] ok got it working [05:14] but man [05:14] it's like 2 seconds slow to respond to my satellite remote control action. is this normal? [05:15] Are you using schedules direct.. Or what source? [05:16] You mean you push a button on your satelitte box remote and it takes a couple of seconds to show up through myth? [05:16] If so yes, that is normal. [05:17] That's not really how it's intended to be used. [05:18] hads: yes, that's what I'm referring to. thanks. how is it intended to be used? [05:19] Guest09: I'm using "Transmitted Guide Only (EIT)" ... I'm not sure which one to use. I know DirectSchedules charges but I don't want to pay a monthly fee. [05:21] Cuco3: Typically you use a remote directly with the Myth PC, and then an IR blaster from the PC to the STB to control changing channel on it. [05:22] Myth always records TV and then plays it to you, this means that it's a couple seconds behind live all the time. [05:22] It's also how you can pause/rewind/fast forward etc. [05:22] ahhh [05:23] It also means that if you are halfway thorough a show that you've watched from the start then you can hit record and it will save the entire show. [05:23] I have an IR remote but I don't think it connects to my STB. Lemme check right quick [05:23] ah! interesting!!! [05:23] i like it already :D [05:23] You need an IR remote for your PC. Like a MS MCE or something. [05:23] I wonder if my XBOX 360 remote works [05:23] the media remote for 360 [05:24] Not sure. You should be able to pick up a MCE remote pretty cheap though. [05:24] Where are you in the world? [05:24] miami, fl [05:25] It's funny how people in the US quote their city/state when asked that and people in the rest of the world say their country :) [05:25] lol [05:26] its true [05:26] Something like that I think; http://www.amazon.com/Vista-Certified-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B000ST7QPA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257139580&sr=8-3 [05:27] But you can search from there with your preferred retailers. [05:28] thanks [05:28] but you say the IR blaster has to connect to my satellite stb? [05:29] You just stick the blaster near the IR remote port on the STB and it pretends to be a remote when changing channels. [05:29] Those MCE remotes should come with a blaster part but you should check before you purchase. [05:29] Also check with someone from the US as there may be other ways to control your STB that I don't know about. [05:31] it'd have to be a UHF remote since the stb is not in my room :-/ [05:36] lol pressed the power button on the remote and it shut down my computer :-p [05:36] heh [05:39] do you know if I have to configure this remote through mythtv [05:44] weird, my recordings don't have any audio [05:44] Cuco3: What remote? [05:45] hads: it came with an AverMedia PCI300 [05:46] Oh you already have one with your PC? Yes you will need to configure it. You should be able to do so through mythbuntu-control-centre [05:47] yeah, it's kinda old, but gets the job done! [05:58] hmm now my mythtv front end isn't displaying video [05:58] after installing mythbuntu control center [06:05] nvm got it working [06:06] can someone recommend any ideas on why this audio is working for live tv, but when I check my recordings, there is no audio? [08:43] I am having problems recording tv, i schedule items but they never seem to record, when i go to watch recording all i get are items i have watched on livetv in the past [08:43] my recording directory is empty and has same permissions as livetv directory which has data inside [08:44] i can see things under previously recorded when i go to manage my recordings, this lists the things I wanted to record however I dont have the option to playback on to re-record, delete, etc [08:45] !logs [08:45] MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/ You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin. [08:45] Have you got free space? Perhaps they are recording and then expiring or something. [08:46] yea I have mythtv pointing to a seperate 1tb drive [08:46] Zinn, which logs are most helpful when troubleshooting recording? front or back? [08:47] Make sure it's mounted, start with the simple things :) [08:47] Zinn is a bot. mythbackend log is the most important. [08:47] hads, yea its mounted, /home is on a second disk and myth uses a subdir of /home [08:48] ok i had some recording fail today so I will try match it up when when it failed and paste it [08:54] http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m44707f88 [08:54] that was something that should have recorded today [08:55] i dont know why it it was recording something else... it always seems to record what I am watching on livetv, is that normal? [08:55] Yes [08:56] That gives you the puase/rewind/etc. functionality. [08:56] Looks like you have something wrong with your card/channel config. Can you watch that particular channel live? [08:57] all channels work fine live [09:00] What version are you on? [09:01] #5739 [09:03] mythbackend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [22594] [09:03] #5352 [09:03] I was trying to look up some bugs on svn.mythtv.org for you but it's down at the moment. [09:04] Those are the bug numbers. [09:04] oh, bummer. yea the same hardware was working under 0.21 [09:05] Not something I've seen before so I can't really help much more right now without access to mythtv.org [09:07] no problem, thanks for your time [09:08] would you know why i get stuttering issues watching HD tv? I constantly get this in my log: 2009-11-02 08:02:55.552 NVP(0): prebuffering pause [09:09] looking at the timestamp there is like 10 every second [09:12] For your other error, if you get that all the time (ERROR when trying to delete file) then there's possibly something wrong with your storage group setup. [09:13] And the prebuffering pause error I don't know about. [09:14] ok, ill check all my storage group settings [09:15] If it's the same file all the time then it could be just a one off case of a missing file. [09:16] Which is not a big deal. [09:20] hello everyone. Can you help me with homebrew serial receiver installation under mythbuntu 9.10? thank [09:22] hads, yea i read that i can just touch it to shut it up and trick it [09:22] seems to be the one file over and over [09:23] Oh yeah if it's just one do that. [09:23] I thought you were saying it was all the time as in lots of different files. [10:17] is there a way to prevent screensaver starting when I am watching tv other than turn it off completely? [10:47] why does my lcd never connect? I have LCDd running and all i get is the date and heartbeat on the LCD but never show info [10:47] Connecting to lcd server: localhost:6545 (try 8 of 10) [12:36] is there somebody that can help me to run mythtv-setup? [12:36] see this: http://pastebin.com/m66c804 === `oobe` is now known as oobe [16:25] Hello, need help with my homebrew serial receiver to work, cant find any guide. thank for reply [16:52] hello! [16:52] i have a question [17:06] i install mythubuntu in my home server in ubuntu server, i don't need graphic interface and i think i can make this my server backend and the oters PC in my house the clients frontend, but i don't know how make the next step in the instalation if this is in grafical mode. [17:07] you need vnc or X forwarding to run mythtv-setup once [17:07] or a local display on that box [17:08] is posible configure this service in text mode? [17:08] or tranfer the configuration files from my personal PC ? [17:11] No [17:11] its a Qt4 app [17:11] and needs access to your hardware [17:11] tuner, drives, etc [17:12] the best thing to do IMO is to do a normal backend only install from a mythbuntu CD when you have a display hooked up [17:12] get everything configured, and make sure you picked vnc during install [17:13] in the future if you evar have to change something, you can connect via VNC, otherwise you dont ever need to plug a display in again [17:13] installing in text mode is more pain than is necessary [17:14] I have a couple of questions. First this one: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f538599c6 [17:15] I was just browsing the menu and suddenly mythtv stopped responding [17:15] 'top' is showing 100% CPU usage. [17:17] Second question is why is it that everytime I start my FE, I have to select language, IP address ++ before the FE is started? [17:22] ok, in this case i don't need all time the graphical mode because my serv is a low machine and y have more services in this, ¿myth need the grafic interface every time up? used in this? [17:23] i can install the graphic but i dont know if is gnome or other [17:27] danielqb, so if you install from a mythbuntu disk it installs with Xfce [17:27] and gdm for starting X [17:27] you can always disable gdm later too === aliby- is now known as aliby [18:08] then you recommend me install xfce?, if I like it because I would not take much the machine and I can't reinstall my OS. [18:13] it sounded like you just did a fresh install, in which case i would have recommended just reinstalling the OS [18:14] that's the absolute easiest scenario [18:14] otherewise, you need a window manager installed and either VNC or a full X load [18:19] any homebrew serial receiver user with 9.10 here? [19:10] so basically if I want to use Mythtv/Mytbuntu unobstructed I should remove Pulseaudio? [19:11] Why does mythtv hog the sound system and prevent pulseaudio from working while the frontend is working? [19:11] maybe that should be my project, removing pulseaudio from my backend [19:11] sigh [19:13] does mythbuntu come with pulseaudio by default? [19:19] no it doesnt [19:20] there is an env variable to allow pulseaudio that upstream added [19:20] like EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSEAUDIO or something like that [19:23] well, i'll try to purge pulseaudio from my system. If that goes badly I'll just backup the database and go for the mythbuntu install [19:24] !pulseaudio darthanubis [19:24] Sorry I don't know about pulseaudio darthanubis [19:24] blah [19:25] !pulseaudio [19:25] Pulse Audio, aka kitten killer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio for more information. Pulse Audio seems to cause problems with MythTV, so if you don't have any dependencies on it, it's recommended that you remove it. [19:25] so mythbuntu is using ALSA right [19:25] mrand, you forgot the | after pulseaudio [19:25] darthanubis.... Pulse Audio, aka kitten killer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio for more information. Pulse Audio seems to cause problems with MythTV - if you are having trouble, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460579 for potential work-arounds [19:25] yeah. [19:25] :) [19:27] mrand, thanks I'll try that and post my results [19:32] FWIW, 0.23 should have proper pulseaudio support [19:32] there is going to be an actual setting in General settings for choosing pulse [19:33] yay [19:33] and if the AV sync issues are sorted out, i hope it will be able to dynamically fill it with pulse when pulse is running [19:33] as we get closer to 0.23 we'll have to look more closely [19:33] I saw that, hopefully it all pulls together as that would be neat. [19:34] I do like the idea of routing sound around the place over the LAN [19:36] that's the biggest delta for ubuntu and mythbuntu installs though [19:36] if it gets to the point that pulse and myth get along, we can probably evaluate using gnome as a base too instead of xfce [19:36] after doing some memory usage tests and what not [19:54] Good point. [19:54] One of my frontends uses Gnome. [19:54] Currently. XFCE was a bit broken when I installed it for some reason. [19:55] (this was during alpha/beta stage) [19:57] yeah there was random breakage during development, but it should be good now [19:57] i suppose the other worry is what compiz does to myth [19:57] i'm not sure if it hurts/doesnt do anything or what [20:00] Yeah I just haven't got around to switching it back now. I assume it's fine. [20:00] So far I haven't noticed anything odd. [20:00] (with using Gnome) [20:09] I have had only mythtv-themes held back for over a week and no other updates available... now that karmic is out, should I be doing a dist-upgrade ? [20:10] use update-manager to update it or do a dist-upgrade yes [20:10] it will want to remove unsupported themes [20:56] superm1, thanks done. [20:58] if I am already running a nas where my photo collection is stored, what is the normal way to get my mythtv to just use that directly, it seems to have its own storage locations [21:01] You need to mount the NAS either at the mythtv location or somewhere else on the filesystem and adjust the myth settings. [21:01] To do that you use a network filesystem such as NFS/CIFS depending on what your NAS supports. [21:05] hads, nas supports nfs/cifs and also some apple protocol, so nfs is the linux way ? and so I should mount the nfs share via fstab and then configure mythtv to use that mount point or do I put some simlink into mythtv's normal location ? [21:05] You've got it. I would use NFS myself. [21:07] You can mount it where ever you like, either directly at the /var/lib/mythtv/whatever point, or choose your own. [21:10] hads, of course, I keep forgetting the consistency and simplicity of the linux file system ... still a noob who knows enough to be dangerous [21:21] hipitihop: Yes it is nice isn't it. [21:23] I guess I'll need to install an nfs client or common or something, looking [21:23] nfs-common [21:23] then test it with 'sudo mount 192.168.3.2:/nas/directory /mnt/point' [21:24] After that you can add it to fstab [21:24] yup ... how hard would it be to offload/spill recordings on to a nas share ? [21:25] Just add the mounted directory to a storage group, done :) [21:25] Myth will know that's it's not local and prefer local storage until it's either full or has several recordings in progress already. [21:26] If you want it to prefer remote storage you need to add some priority or something. [21:30] that's cool... although there is some mention on wiki that things like vlc could not play it back when storage groups are used [21:36] so I take it I'll mount to /var/lib/mythtv/pictures looks like the standard mythtv setup [21:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/460579/comments/6 [21:42] has anyone had trouble with huge fonts? I upgraded to Karmic yesterday and the fonts are enormous. usually this is because I'm using a television as a monitor and all I have to do is edit the dpi in gdm.conf, but that doesn't work this time [21:44] just installed nfs-common , is there anything else I need to run for it startup ? I get following when doing mount "mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running" [21:44] * hipitihop runs off to google nfs docs [22:19] hads, I actually notice the nfs-common install failed with "invoke-rc.d: initscript idmapd, action "restart" failed. [22:20] dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): [22:20] subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [22:28] hipitihop, there was a bug if you installed from early betas that might cause that [22:28] search for bugs on nfs-common on launchpad and you should see the workaround [22:29] Sorry, been away switching DSL providers. [22:30] superm1, yes I installed from one of the betas a month ago [22:30] that's why then [22:30] it was fixed at gold [22:32] and none of the update fix it ? [22:35] I have been assuming that doing update && upgrade would amount to the same as the release version [22:35] It should be close to it. [22:35] There are always a few corner cases [22:36] well updates bring you to release, unless you can't upgrade [22:36] I wonder if that may also be effecting my lirc [22:36] bug 441055 [22:36] Bug 441055 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "package nfs-common 1:1.2.0-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade:" [High, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/441055 [22:41]