[01:22]  * elky notes -irc
[02:39] <malt> am I forgivven for the past?
[02:40] <malt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-January/000175.html
[02:40] <malt> back in 2007
[02:40] <malt> just thought I stop by and say sup
[02:42] <malt> can my nick please be unbanned malt
[02:42] <malt> it is nick ban, cause of the proxy's in the past
[02:42] <malt> you can read all this info and find out why
[02:42] <malt> in 2007
[02:42] <malt> back in 2007 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-January/000175.html
[02:42] <malt> and I was unbanned by Hobbze
[02:42] <malt> and I don't see him here now
[02:43] <malt> back in 2006-2007
[02:55] <elky> malt, let me talk it over with the others. we're all in different timezones so this may take a day or so. after this long, one more day won't really make any difference.
[03:02] <elky> there's no need for you wait/spectate here, please come back in 24hrs.
[04:35] <Amaranth> man that email brings up bad memories
[04:37] <vorian> that was before I was born!
[05:42] <Jordan_U> It's possible that HURD in #ubuntu purposely made two user's machines unbootable
[05:43] <Jordan_U> He told them to run: echo "910_GL_STACK=1" > vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic && echo "910_GL_STACK=1" > vmlinuz-2.6.28-16-generic in a root shell
[05:45] <Jordan_U> I can almost see how someone who was really confused might think that would add those as kernel parameters rather than overwriting the users kernel images but it's likely it was malicious
[05:50] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: considering that isn't actually a valid parameter I'd say it's likely
[05:50] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: and he specifically told them to wipe out both kernels
[05:50] <Amaranth> although we have the failsafe stuff now vmlinuz.old or so so after failing to boot it would use those next time
[05:51] <wgrant> Not automatically.
[05:52] <Jordan_U> Though we could do it automatically with grub2 and recordfail
[05:52] <Amaranth> forwarded him here to explain himself
[05:53] <Amaranth> Jordan_U, wgrant: I thought we already did grub2 and recordfail to use these
[05:53] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, Right now recordfail just keeps the menu from being hidden / timing out
[05:57] <rob86> hello ive been banned, i dont know why
[05:57] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: rob86 = selinux = hurd
[05:57] <rob86> agreed
[05:58] <Amaranth> rob86: You've been giving people seemingly obviously incorrect instructions that kill their systems
[05:58] <rob86> theyve been saying that i do this with pms
[05:58] <rob86> and if you check the logs ive been helpful throught the channel
[05:59] <rob86> so i guess the fastest way would be to ask freenode for logs
[06:03] <Amaranth> rob86: I've been looking at the logs I have, I have to admit nothing jumps out at me other than the accusations
[06:03] <Amaranth> but my logs don't go very far back either
[06:04] <rob86> well, freenode _i think_ can provide logs for pms... im not sure though... otherwise i dont know what to tell you other than i didnt pm these people
[06:04] <Amaranth> @login
[06:04] <rob86> and theyre saying weird stuff like echo > (pipe) vmlinuz
[06:04] <Amaranth> rob86: They don't seem to be saying they did it in a PM
[06:04] <rob86> they pmed me
[06:04] <Amaranth> but I find it hard to believe two different people would have something against you and plan together to get you in trouble
[06:04] <rob86> at least one did, the one with the name starting with a k
[06:05] <rob86> maybe their ips match?
[06:05] <Jordan_U> I don't see anything in the logs for #ubuntu
[06:05] <Amaranth> if the ban tracker would ever load...
[06:06] <Jordan_U> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/11/01/%23ubuntu.txt and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/11/02/%23ubuntu.txt
[06:06] <Amaranth> hmm
[06:07] <Amaranth> rob86: why do you keep changing nicks?
[06:07] <Amaranth> rob86: and why did you start telling people to get hurd support elsewhere when they started talking about you when you knew that was a nick you used
[06:08] <rob86> because they had pm me before hand
[06:08] <rob86> pardon
[06:08] <rob86> k person did
[06:08] <rob86> are something did not
[06:09] <rob86> i wasnt taking it seriuosly... until the whole channel started believing them
[06:09] <rob86> i keep changing nicks because i dont like giving away my privacy, same reason my proxy resolves to venezuela
[06:09] <rob86> 2 days ago i was banned
[06:09] <Amaranth> I'm going back a couple days in the logs checking all the nicks I've seen you as
[06:09] <rob86> as derek_smart
[06:09] <rob86> i was trolling
[06:09] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[06:10] <rob86> mayhaps they got upset
[06:10] <rob86> but since ive been unbanned
[06:10] <rob86> i havent trolled
[06:10] <Amaranth> Ok, that's reason enough for me to believe them...
[06:10] <rob86> be that as it may...
[06:11] <Amaranth> At this point I have no way of knowing if you told them to do this or not considering you may have been using several different nicks
[06:11] <Amaranth> And you've admitted you're using proxies
[06:11] <rob86> sigh
[06:11] <rob86> proxies doesnt warrant a ban but youre the admin
[06:12] <rob86> at this point im really not looking good
[06:12] <rob86> so yea
[06:12] <Amaranth> We've had issues with you in the past and we've got two people saying the same thing, you have to know how this looks
[06:12] <rob86> yes but i also (for what its worth) been contributing to the channel today
[06:12] <rob86> i realize you dont want to read it, i wouldnt either
[06:13] <Amaranth> I've just read it
[06:13] <Amaranth> yesterday you apparently said about 4 lines
[06:13] <rob86> today ive been in the channel for like the past 2 hours or so
[06:13] <Amaranth> today perhaps the log bot just hasn't updated to the part where you are helping or you were using yet another nick
[06:14] <Amaranth>  <hurd> OzFalcon: ubuntu is not pitched towards users with older hardware
[06:14] <Amaranth> You have been saying things that aren't true though
[06:14] <rob86> ive been using sls_pwnes sls_or_bust selinux, among others
[06:14] <mneptok> rob86: i see you in my logs as derek_smart both compliaing about people udersizing swap and making too much swap. within hours. and it all looks trollish and deliberately designed to cause dissention.
[06:14] <Amaranth> btw the two people complaining are not the same unless they are using proxies and know two languages
[06:15] <rob86> mneptok: i already had that convo with another op, he or she decided that it was disruptive, but my sources confirm that swap needs to be big enough for proper hibernation
[06:15] <Amaranth> rob86: That was me, btw
[06:15] <rob86> Amaranth: that 'older hw' quote is taken out of context, he was trying to set it up in an ancient computer that truly had no business running gnome and the like
[06:16] <mneptok> rob86: so then why was your last discussion about swap size along the lines of "Ubuntu is not Windows, stop telling people to waste disk space. it's against the CoC." ?
[06:16] <rob86> mneptok: that was genuine trolling, i was contradicting myself to cause uproar
[06:16] <rob86> mneptok: i realized that it didnt matter if what i said helped or not because of their previous ideas about swap and how it works
[06:16] <mneptok> rob86: and that's a pretty good reason to be banned.
[06:17] <rob86> mneptok: never the less ive ammended myself since then
[06:17] <mneptok> this was 2 days ago.
[06:17] <rob86> mneptok: true, but i thought that thats a separate incident. i guess one problem is enough to make me look suspicious
[06:17] <Amaranth> fool me once...
[06:18] <rob86> mneptok: well im not presenting this as if ive completely rediscovered myself, its more like im taking it seriously now
[06:18] <mneptok> you admit to trolling. you admit to deliberately trying to cause dissention. now 2 people are claiming you're giving them bad advice.
[06:18] <rob86> mneptok: yes, i admit to trolling. i wont admit to something i didnt do
[06:18] <mneptok> you haven't set yourself up to be seen as the innocent party here.
[06:19] <rob86> mneptok: agreed, all i can say is what i did and why, im not trying to make anyone feel sorry or anything
[06:19] <rob86> mneptok: the fact is that i didnt pm them with echo this and that
[06:19] <rob86> and if you
[06:19] <rob86> see what the k person was saying
[06:19] <rob86> she or he knew the syntax
[06:19] <rob86> >> appends > substitutes
[06:20] <rob86> they were discussing in the channel "maybe he meant to help you by appending it?"
[06:20] <rob86> and she responded, no, he gave only one '>'
[06:20] <rob86> seems to me that a person that knows the syntax wouldnt do it
[06:20] <rob86> so thats not consistent with what shes saying
[06:21] <Amaranth> maybe they're both you trying to stir things up again
[06:22] <mneptok> knwoing some syntax but being willing to believe someone else knows it better, and hence following their advice, is not outside the realm of possibility. and given past behavior, i personally am more likely to err on the side of caution as far as your behavior is concerned.
[06:22] <Amaranth> that's the only conspiracy theory that sounds believable to me
[06:22] <Amaranth> perhaps they know > vs >> but didn't know what vmlinuz was
[06:22] <rob86> i think that the fairest thing would be to go by hard facts and the only thing closer to that is the log, but thats just my opinion
[06:23] <rob86> Amaranth: considering that bash syntax is comparably obscure, i highly doubt it
[06:23] <Amaranth> The log is two (as far as I can tell) completely different people saying you gave them a command that screwed up their computer
[06:23] <rob86> mneptok: thats a reasonable response and i have nothing to say to that, tbh, im aware i dont look good
[06:23] <rob86> mneptok: but theres not log backing up their claims
[06:23] <rob86> Amaranth: sure but those are claims
[06:24] <Amaranth> rob86: I knew > vs >> for years before I knew exactly what vmlinuz was
[06:24] <rob86> Amaranth: corner case :)
[06:24] <Amaranth> rob86: Your word against theirs, basically
[06:24] <Amaranth> Their word is more believable because there are two of them and you've got a history
[06:24] <rob86> true.
[06:24] <Amaranth> I think I'm going to have to discuss this with other ops
[06:25] <Amaranth> I think the ban should stay but perhaps they can convince me otherwise as I'm not really sure what to do
[06:25] <mneptok> rob86: karma is a bitch.
[06:25] <rob86> yep sure is :)
[06:44] <jussi01> rob86: Im going to ask you to come back in 24H or so, we can think about this and make a decision, ok?
[06:44] <rob86> alright
[06:44] <jussi01> Jordan_U: anything else you need?
[06:45] <Jordan_U> jussi01, On a totally unrelated note it would be nice if someone could add the !grub15 factoid I suggested
[06:45] <jussi01> LjL-Temp: youve been around for a few days, was there something you were after or just forgot you were here?
[06:46] <jussi01> Jordan_U: I saw that yesterday, not particularly enthralled by adding a factoid for that specific problem. feel free to convince me otherwise tho
[06:46] <jussi01> crap
[06:46] <jussi01> fdoving: could you identify please?
[06:55] <jussi01> wgrant: youll have to wait a sec. something not right here :/
[07:01] <mneptok> wgrant: 'sup?
[07:01] <jussi01> mneptok: I invited him here. all good ;)
[07:02]  * wgrant is currently a little busy panicng about an LP branch that needs to make the release, anyway.
[07:03] <mneptok> wgrant: leave now, before jussi01_ has time to put on his mankini and ask if you have airfare money for a visit.
[07:03] <wgrant> mneptok: I've already met him once!
[07:03]  * mneptok fell for that. twice.
[07:03] <wgrant> He must have been playing nice then to trick me into seeing him again :(
[07:03] <wgrant> jussi01_, your plan is foiled.
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <jussi01> Lads and ladies, please welcome wgrant as the newest #ubuntu op. He gives much needed coverage in the australian timezone :)
[07:22] <jussi01> wgrant: please /cycle
[07:23] <wgrant> Hm. Not working?
[07:23] <wgrant> jussi01_: Who else is there in apac TZs?
[07:24] <elky> me.
[07:24] <elky> oh, and bazhang
[07:24] <wgrant> Ah, right. I remember when bazhang started.
[07:24] <jussi01> wgrant: fixed.
[07:24] <wgrant> Forgot he was over this way, though.
[07:24] <wgrant> jussi01_: Thanks.
[07:24] <wgrant> Er, other one.
[07:25] <elky> hobbsee got sick of being harassed by trolls and so forth.
[07:25] <wgrant> I'm not surprised.
[07:29] <vox> need to remove bans from ubuntu
[07:30] <vox> bunch of bots that've been dcc-ing #freenode are about to start in there by the looks
[07:32] <wgrant> Uhoh.
[07:34] <vox> looks like they've been klined
[07:36]  * wgrant needs to get aliases set up; sorry.
[07:36] <jussi01> wgrant: irssi?
[07:37] <wgrant> jussi01: Indeed.
[07:37] <jussi01> wgrant: if so, grab the autobleh script.
[07:38] <wgrant> jussi01: That looks awesome. Thanks.
[07:38] <jussi01> !ops | ubuntu banlist is full AGAIN!!!
[07:39] <jussi01> Check them now. please.
[07:39] <Amaranth> oh, that's why
[07:39] <jussi01> and someone please checkout the FB bans.
[07:39] <Amaranth> I've only got one ban I know of and it needs to stay
[07:41] <DBO> that bots mask does not seem to be changing
[07:41] <DBO> why is the ban failing?
[07:41] <jussi01> DBO: banlist is full.
[07:41] <DBO> go us...
[07:42] <jussi01> DBO: is there a reaon you dont reside in here?
[07:42] <jussi01> reason
[07:42] <DBO> long story short, I work on GNOME Do, Docky, sekrit Canonical thingies, and school :P
[07:43] <DBO> I offered to turn in my op powers a long time ago, but they said I should keep them just to be handy when nobody else is around
[07:43] <jussi01> oh. right.
[07:44] <DBO> so uh, about that ban list being full, sounds like a problem that really should be dealt with
[07:44] <jussi01> DBO: Im attempting to deal with it. could ou please check all your bans?
[07:44] <DBO> sure
[07:45] <DBO> I've probably accumulated a few by now
[07:45] <wgrant> jussi01: The repo for that script seems to not be particularly working.
[07:45] <jussi01> DBO: anything dynamic shouldnt have a long life.
[07:45] <jussi01> wgrant: I have a copy here, can mail it soon if you want.
[07:45] <DBO> yeah I know the rules
[07:45] <wgrant> jussi01: Thanks, when you have time.
[07:45] <jussi01> wgrant: just pm your address
[07:45] <DBO> I was here when Seveas was in charge!
[07:45] <DBO> :P
[07:47] <jussi01> Lads and ladies, I want to see those bans being cleaned. please make sure they get done!
[07:50] <jussi01> wgrant: sent
[07:50] <DBO> who is in charge these days anywho?
[07:51] <wgrant> jussi01: Thanks.
[07:52] <jussi01> DBO: the IRC Council. elections are just about to be held, so at the moment its just Pici and myself. We should have 3 more people in the near future.
[07:52] <DBO> ah fun
[07:52] <DBO> the Council of IRC Knights
[07:52] <wgrant> Odd. I've met both the IRC Council members, and almost nobody else.
[07:52] <DBO> they wear fancy cloak :D
[07:54] <elky> DBO, actually no fancy cloak. if we did, then the trolls would want their own too. @ubuntu/troll/fujisan for example
[07:55]  * wgrant always jumps at that name.
[07:55] <elky> examples should make a point :P
[07:55] <DBO> elky, I was thinking more along the lines of Jedi cloak...
[07:55] <DBO> its a Council... Jedi... I watch too much star wars...
[07:56] <jussi01> Remember, you can search on the bantracker for yourself in the following way: oper:jussi01
[07:58] <wgrant> How does this legendary bantracker thing work?
[07:58] <jussi01> wgrant: it works off the irc team, so you wont have access yet.
[07:59] <jussi01> itll be opened for all soon enough.
[07:59] <jussi01> just it dies with just the irc team using it now, so we are rewriting it.
[08:00] <jussi01> oh yeah, wgrant, feel like some more fun? we always need more people to help out with bot/bt devel.... join us in #ubuntu-bots-devel if you care to :D
[08:00] <wgrant> jussi01: Ah, I see.
[08:01] <wgrant> jussi01: I've been meaning to fix ubottu's Launchpad plugin for months (it makes us in the LP dev world very sad)
[08:01]  * jussi01 waits for wgrant to join the channel... :D
[08:02] <wgrant> (the bugs text interface is pretty inefficient, and keeps timing out. the API is much better)
[08:02] <jussi01> wgrant: is there a bug report for this?
[08:03] <wgrant> jussi01: I don't quite know.
[08:04] <MenZa> Speaking of, jussi01 - when are nominations going to be public?
[08:05] <jussi01> when the CC gets my mail and releases the nominations.
[08:05]  * jussi01 is planning to sent it today. 
[08:07] <MenZa> Excellent.
[08:17] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/307326/
[08:25] <elky> samuels, why are you harrassing females in #ubuntu?
[08:25] <samuels> hi, what was the kick msg? it didn't show up on my screen
[08:26] <samuels> elky: danielle is a friend of mine in real life, i didn't know she'd take it that way. we're at college together
[08:28] <elky> samuels, #ubuntu is a public place. Like a public library, if you would. Would you say that to her there?
[08:29] <samuels> depends what she was wearing
[08:30] <elky> samuels, it doesn't matter what she is wearing. it does not give you the right to be crude like that
[08:30] <samuels> it wasn't crude, it was lyrics from a song by salt n' peppa
[08:31] <samuels> it's called 'shoop shoop'
[08:31] <samuels> ;)
[08:31] <elky> i dont care who may have spoken the words previous.
[08:31] <samuels> although i admit the music video is a bit crude ha ha!
[08:31] <elky> !guidelines
[08:31] <elky> samuels, read that link please.
[08:31] <samuels> ok i read it
[08:32] <samuels> do you mean read the link or the page that comes up after i click it? ;)
[08:32] <elky> up to you, but until you can demonstrate that you understand and accept the contents of the page, then you're not getting back in to #ubuntu.
[08:32] <samuels> ok
[08:32] <samuels> in the meantime i think i'll have a beer
[08:33] <samuels> this is a nice chan in itself
[08:33] <samuels> what do you drink? would you like one?
[08:33] <elky> this is not somewhere to hang out.
[08:33] <topyli> samuels, fyi, this really isn't a social channel
[08:33] <samuels> topyli: i feel like you and elky are my friends and i want to spend time with both of you here and talk about things that touch me
[08:34] <elky> well if you're not going to take the chance i'm giving you to redeem yourself, i'll change the ban to an actual ban, rather than a forwarding one.
[08:34] <samuels> but if you do that can i still come to this chan?
[08:34] <samuels> i prefer this chan anyway
[08:34] <elky> no.
[08:34] <samuels> ok well
[08:34] <samuels> ill just be quiet then so i can stay here
[08:35] <samuels> i want to get to know of the ppl here though
[08:35] <samuels> hey vox what's up
[08:35] <samuels> welcome ryanakca
[08:35] <jussi01> samuels: this isnt a place to idle, please see our channel topic
[08:35] <samuels> jussi01: where are you from? new zealand guy here
[08:36] <jussi01> samuels: you are welcome to chatter in #ubuntu-offtopic, but you need to follow the guidelines in the link given to you.
[08:36] <samuels> ok
[08:36] <samuels> anyway bbs
[08:37] <Myrtti> the bantracker gives me wrong answers
[08:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: ?
[08:38] <Myrtti> tried to search for only unremoved bans/mutes that have the nick Myrtti somewhere, and it spits out everything
[08:38] <Myrtti> removed bans and kicks
[08:38] <Flannel> Myrtti: The buttons don't work, change the GET string manually and it will
[08:38] <Flannel> er, tick boxes
[08:38] <Myrtti> great
[08:38] <jussi01> tick boxes are evil.
[08:39] <Flannel> Myrtti: see query
[08:44] <ikonia> I think I've got more active than BT is showing me
[08:46] <Myrtti> righty-o
[08:46] <Myrtti> party on, people.
[08:49] <ikonia> ??
[08:50] <samuels> ?
[08:51] <jussi01> samuels: do you have something further to discuss with the operators? As you were told earlier, this is not a social channel.
[08:52] <samuels> jussi01: your a social channel
[08:52] <samuels> LOL
[08:53] <jussi01> samuels: if you do not have any further business with the operators, Id ask you to /part please.
[08:53] <elky> samuels, you've come back to apologise for your behaviour and to demonstrate that you have read the guidelines?
[08:53] <samuels> elky: yes
[08:54] <samuels> elky: im sorry for my behaviour and ive demonstrated i read the guidelines
[08:54] <elky> well, you did not demonstrate yet.
[08:54] <samuels> hmm ok
[08:54] <samuels> ask me a question
[08:54] <samuels> and let's see if i get it right
[08:54] <elky> why were you banned, and why was iit against the guidelines
[08:55] <samuels> ok
[08:55] <samuels> i was banned because what i did was inappropriate
[08:55] <samuels> and it's against teh guidelines because guidelines embodies a good moral code that we should all follow
[08:55] <samuels> it includes things like not to sexually harrass women etc
[08:55] <samuels> and i sexually ahrrased a woman
[08:55] <samuels> and they deserve to be treated with respect
[08:57] <samuels> ok?
[08:58] <samuels> because women are people to
[08:58] <samuels> and they have feelings just like anyone else
[08:59] <elky> sorry, my mother decided that Right Now was a good time to ring
[08:59] <samuels> oh ok
[08:59] <samuels> your mother is a woman to
[08:59] <samuels> and she deserves respect
[09:00] <samuels> so i can understand y u would talk to her now cos your just showing her that same respect
[09:00] <samuels> that i should show women
[09:00] <elky> and i just had to tell her i was too busy to talk to her
[09:00] <samuels> hahah really? why? cos you're talking to me (a retard) on irc?!
[09:00] <elky> because i couldnt type to tell you otherwise.
[09:00] <samuels> haha ok
[09:01] <samuels> well anyway, it's all about women and respect etc
[09:02] <elky> it's not all about any particular group, but yes, it is about respect.
[09:03] <elky> but your ban was about how you degraded danielle.
[09:05] <elky> samuels?
[09:08] <elky> samuels, i'm not going to progress any further if you dont respond.
[09:21] <elky> samuels, please respond.
[09:32] <elky> Flannel, does this mean you are around enough for me to be able to duck to the shops, and there be someone here to talk to samuels when he decides to start responding?
[09:33] <Flannel> elky: I'm home now, I was away from internet all day long.  So, yes?
[09:35] <elky> well, he's gone now, he'll probably come back and be in #ubuntu. i just wanted someone to be able to tell him he was back in on probation, but, oh well. i'm guessing it's not going to happen again
[10:17] <Flannel> I'm getting slow apparently.
[10:17]  * jussi01 hands Flannel a coffee
[10:18] <elky> it's the grey hairs. they're weighing you down.
[10:18] <Flannel> I don't drink coffee, but thanks.
[10:38]  * ikonia wakes
[10:40]  * MenZa hands ikonia a swift coffee
[10:41] <ikonia> all good
[10:42]  * jussi01 prods at ikonia
[10:42] <jussi01> its alive?
[10:42] <ikonia> yes, I've just responded to you
[12:07] <MenZa> Might have been a bit overkill on the trigger, jussi01 - sorry
[12:07]  * MenZa just returned from lunch and sat down
[12:07] <jussi01> MenZa: all good. I didnt ban, so if it was accidental he is free to come back. if it was spam, its stopped.
[12:07]  * MenZa nods
[12:08] <MenZa> In hindsight, it looks like he just didn't know how to connect. :\
[12:08] <jussi01> Ill pm
[12:08] <MenZa> excellent
[12:12] <jussi01> was an accident. seems ok, bit new to irc, thats all. Told him he is welcome to join again.
[12:28] <MenZa> jussi01: good good :)
[14:20] <TheFunkbomb> Someone want to kick born2live out of #ubuntu?
[14:20] <TheFunkbomb> nevermind.  taken care of
[14:21] <TheFunkbomb> hey, why am I still banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:22] <ikonia> one moment please
[14:23] <ikonia> be with you in 2 minutes
[14:23] <TheFunkbomb> k
[14:25] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I think I see the problem - -hang on please.
[14:27] <ikonia> ahh ok, I see what's happened,
[14:28] <TheFunkbomb> uh oh
[14:28] <ikonia> you where in offtopic talking about building a computer for a friend in austrialia, you started talking about why you where bothering as you had no chance of having sex with her, you where asked to stop and started quoted your now famous lines of "stop breaking balls" and kept arguing, Amaranth set a ban forward on you when you left to here
[14:29] <ikonia> any of that ring any bells ?
[14:29] <TheFunkbomb> oh yeah lol
[14:30] <TheFunkbomb> thanks!
[14:30] <Tm_T> ...
[14:30] <ikonia> no problem, do you wish to discuss having it removed ?
[14:30] <TheFunkbomb> nah, I don't really see the point
[14:30] <TheFunkbomb> I've been down that road
[14:31] <ikonia> I'm happy to remove it for you, I just need you to stop arguing and telling people to stop busting balls
[14:31] <ikonia> gughhh
[14:31] <ikonia> too slow
[14:31] <bazhang> heh
[14:33] <ikonia> just pm'd him - he's not interested in having the ban removed and quotes it as one of the reasons he doesn't use freenode (yet he's on here ?) I'll change it to a flat ban for a while then,
[14:35] <Tm_T> aye
[14:36] <Tm_T> ikonia: you might like to add mention about his attitude
[14:36] <bazhang> bullgard4 keeps joining and quitting here
[14:36] <ikonia> it's in BT - he's a know problem with the attitude
[14:36] <ikonia> bazhang: he won't disscuss the ban
[14:36] <bazhang> just wondered if you wanted to handle it
[14:36] <bazhang> ikonia, ok
[14:36] <ikonia> MenZa: (I think) was trying to talk to him about it
[14:36] <MenZa> Hm?
[14:37] <ikonia> MenZa: was it you who was trying to ping bullgard to join here ?
[14:37] <MenZa> I wasn't sure if the issue was resolved, so I never did
[14:37] <Pici> Match: bullgard4!*@*!#ubuntu-ops by ikonia in #ubuntu on Oct 11 2009
[14:37] <ikonia> I put the ban on him for another does of offtopic questions
[14:37] <ikonia> he tried to ban dodge by using bullgard5 and bullgard
[14:37] <ikonia> so I left the ban in place as I wanted to talk to him as ban dodging is not normally his style
[14:37] <ikonia> but he refuses to talk when he joins the channel
[14:38] <MenZa> PM?
[14:38] <MenZa> He's currently online.
[14:38] <ikonia> just tried another
[14:38] <ikonia> MenZa: already left messages in pm
[14:38] <MenZa> not much to do but leave it in place until he does respond then, is there?
[14:39] <ikonia> I'll keep trying him in pm when I see him active
[14:39] <ikonia> he's trying to ask Ubuntu questions in #debian ????
[14:39] <MenZa> He could have ignored you
[14:39] <ikonia> (or has been I should say)
[14:39] <MenZa> lol
[14:39] <ikonia> I think he knows he's done "bad" and is trying to look for alterntative support
[14:39] <ikonia> (I'm not trying to be patronising with the word bad - just couldn't think of a better way of saying it)
[14:39]  * MenZa nods
[15:26] <MenZa> ubot2: support
[15:26] <MenZa> hmm
[15:26] <MenZa> ubot2: !support
[15:26] <MenZa> :(
[15:30] <MenZa> -classroom really needs +m >_<
[15:30] <MenZa> yay
[15:31] <bazhang> seriously
[15:31] <MenZa> And -classroom-chat needs moderation
[15:31] <bazhang> funnybeard in -chat
[15:35] <bazhang> idleone is right
 QUESTION: When will woman become open source?
[15:37] <Tm_T> just wanted to say this: I see full moon
[15:38] <Tm_T> beware (;
[15:38] <jpds> MenZa: Ohai, ubot2 is muted here.
[15:38] <Pici> It was a ful moon last night.
[15:38] <MenZa> Ahhh.
[15:38] <MenZa> ic.
[15:38] <MenZa> bazhang: Certainly, but "shut your mouth" isn't really the way to go about it.
[15:44] <Pici> Anyone have any reason why we should still have #ubuntu-release-party open?
[15:45] <jpds> Pici: Every day is a party.
[15:46] <topyli> !mark IndyGunFreak has an anti-obama quit message. request to change message to a non-political one has been sent through memoserv
[15:46] <topyli> grr
[15:47] <bazhang> heh
[15:48] <topyli> !mark #ubuntu-offtopic IndyGunFreak has an anti-obama quit message. request to change message to a non-political one has been sent through memoserv
[15:48] <Pici> topyli: its @mark
[15:48] <topyli> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic IndyGunFreak has an anti-obama quit message. request to change message to a non-political one has been sent through memoserv
[15:48] <topyli> thanks Pici :)
[15:48] <bazhang>   /msg ubottu @mark
[15:49] <Pici> @help mark
[15:50] <topyli> i did query for help, but ubottu never told me the prefix. of course, i now realize i could have done it in the query :\
[16:11] <Pici> oye, there were a lot more people in -unregged than I thought.
[16:15] <nalioth> they'll get out when they come back to their 'puters
[16:35] <ezzieyguywuf> floodbot is having troubles testing me for dcc vulnerabilities. can one of you ops please do so for me?
[16:35] <ezzieyguywuf> nvm i'm in
[16:35] <Pici> ezzieyguywuf: It actually just removed your b...
[17:09] <nalioth> any objections to closing #ubuntu-release-party ( and options for redirection, if any )?
[17:09] <Pici> nalioth: No objections here.  I'm not sure where to forward it to though.
[17:09] <nalioth> it doesn't need forwarding
[17:10] <Pici> Its half-offtopic, half-people asking for support
[17:10] <nalioth> but i am open to options with a good reason  :)
[17:11] <nalioth> ok, +i today, +m next week (or the cruel CHANSERV CLEAR)
[17:11] <Pici> Maybe just point it to #ubuntu since jono was advertizing it a bit, so that people don't get confused and ask why its invite only.
[17:12] <ikonia> I'd rather not redirect it
[17:13] <ikonia> if people joining a channel for "fun" and get redirected and continue that fun it's going to be a pain in #ubuntu
[17:13] <nalioth> yep
[17:13] <Pici> I'd normally agree, but I think we'll be getting people in #ubuntu asking why the party is invite only.
[17:14] <ikonia> double edged sword
[17:14] <nalioth> because the party's over, of course
[17:14] <nalioth> it's not a year-round thing
[17:14] <ikonia> is it possible to just close the channel
[17:14] <ikonia> eg: "sorry - channel no longer exists" type closure ?
[17:15] <ikonia> not sure of the modes
[17:15] <Pici> Then just set invite only.
[17:15] <nalioth> ikonia: no, as anyone who joins it would create it anew
[17:15] <ikonia> Pici: but then that puts weight behind what you where saying, whicih I agree with also
[17:15] <ikonia> nalioth: ahh, I did wonder
[17:15] <Pici> What was it doing before?
[17:15] <ikonia> good question
[17:15] <nalioth> we could redirect it to -offtopic
[17:16] <nalioth> but i am not fond of any redirection
[17:16] <nalioth> jono needs to provide more info (as in "the party won't last")
[17:20] <ikonia> jono pushed some pretty agressive and in my view ill thought through marketing
[17:20] <ikonia> it was recovered well though
[17:21] <ikonia> nalioth: where/what was it doing before the party was open ?
[17:29] <nalioth> ikonia: i have no idea
[17:30] <ikonia> I thought you as the all knowing may know.
[17:31] <topyli> my wto eurocents: the channel should only exist for a limited time. say week before and week after a release. otherwise it will just be a fork of -offtopic
[17:33] <topyli> and Pici, and yes they will buy me pints not because they have to (to get me to fix something) but because actually want to :)
[17:34] <topyli> grrr. i'm channel hopping too quickly
[17:34] <Pici> What the heck is going on in #u ?
[17:35] <MenZa> Looks like an elementary school argument.
[17:37] <Pici> hrm, looks like I lost my mute alias
[17:37] <MenZa> Well, it looks like they stopped.
[17:37] <MenZa> Sometimes flexing your muscles is effective enough.
[17:39]  * MenZa flexes his muscles at ikonia
[17:40]  * gord flexes his cat at MenZa 
[17:40] <MenZa> :O
[17:40] <MenZa> poor kitten :(
[17:42] <jussi01_> nalioth: forward it to -ot.
[19:07] <Tm_T> do we have bot(s) reacting on dcc actions in channel?
[19:07] <Pici> Tm_T: Yes.
[19:08] <Tm_T> good
[19:08] <Pici> Tm_T: The floodbots will ban the person who attempted the explout and banforward any affected users to #ubuntu-read-topic (athough we *REALLY* need to change that for #kubuntu because its really confusing for users)
[19:08] <Tm_T> heh
[19:31] <Pici> no...
[19:39] <Pici> tsimpson: yay! thanks!
[19:39] <tsimpson> :)
[20:07] <ikonia> for the record bucky is still trying to flood me in pm
[20:08] <Flannel> ikonia: awww, you've got a secret admirer.
[20:08] <ikonia> he's been doing it since he got banned
[20:08] <ikonia> he signs in and pipes the output of ls -R to my pm
[20:08] <tsimpson> I need to clear ~170 exempts from #k, so don't scream at me because of the flood :)
[20:09] <Pici> tsimpson: one at a time? or in groups of 4?
[20:09] <tsimpson> Pici: depends if I can format the data properly
[20:10] <tsimpson> but I'm attempting to do it 4 at a time
[20:10] <ikonia> http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/bucky_spam.jpg
[20:10] <Pici> tsimpson: If you have them all in a file, you can use: http://nullcortex.com/upload/unban.sh to group them into /mode commands of 4 masks each
[20:10] <tsimpson> Pici: thanks :)
[20:35] <ikonia> bucky still spamming me like a crazed rabbit
[20:37] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Hahha bucky again.
[20:37] <ikonia> yup
[20:38] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: He's a known irritant, but I suspect you knew that.
[20:38] <ikonia> I would have never guessed
[20:38] <Pici> ikonia usually gets stuck with those known irritants...
[20:39] <ikonia> he must be under the impression that I can only have 1 window open at once,
[20:39] <ikonia> he is persistant, I'll give him that
[20:44] <KB1JWQ> ikonia: Looks like he disconnected.
[20:44] <KB1JWQ> I PM'd him, got no response.
[20:50] <ikonia> ooh yes
[20:50] <ikonia> just noticed the flood had stopped
[20:50] <ikonia> lucky me
[21:02] <mc44> mesula in -offtopic is xcdfgkjhgcv, fyi
[21:02] <ikonia> gone
[21:03] <mc44> :)
[21:03]  * mc44 snuggles ikonia
[21:04] <topyli> nicely spotted
[21:04] <ikonia> kudos
[21:06] <Seeker`> mesula is clearly out to cause trouble
[21:06] <Seeker`> hi mesula
[21:06] <mesula> Seeker`: Rubbish.
[21:06] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:06] <mesula> Seeker`: I can't believe you'd say that about me!
[21:07] <Seeker`> I can
[21:07] <Seeker`> you repeatedly evade bans
[21:07] <mesula> Seeker`: Did you time your IRC client to say that the microsecond I join?
[21:07] <ikonia> mesula: you're persistant ban issues are no longer up for discussion
[21:07] <mesula> (21:06:23) Seeker`: mesula is clearly out to cause trouble
[21:07] <mesula> I joined at that precise microsecond.
[21:07] <ikonia> mesula: please leave - at this time there is no window for discussion
[21:08] <mesula> Seeker`: WTF I never ban evade.
[21:08] <ikonia> mesula: please leave - this is not up for discussion at this time
[21:08] <Seeker`> -03:40:53- turberry: I will be getting back into the channel.
[21:08] <Seeker`> -03:41:01- turberry: I have over 100 IPs.
[21:09] <mesula> Seeker`: WTF I'm never up that late.
[21:09] <Seeker`> that isn't UK time
[21:09] <mesula> My bed time is 12:00 at the latest.
[21:09] <mesula> Seeker`: Ah...
[21:09] <mesula> Seeker`: I guess I'm not the evil genius you presume me to be.
[21:10] <ikonia> mesula: please leave now - this is not up for discussion at this time
[21:10] <ikonia> no point discussing it with him at this time - he gets too much of a kick out of discussing it
[21:15] <Amaranth> We knew he was there a long time ago
[21:16] <ikonia> oh really
[21:16] <ikonia> better eyes than me
[21:16] <Amaranth> iirc no one wanted to ban him because they didn't want him to bug them for the next month
[21:16] <Amaranth> pretty sure that was the one
[21:16] <Amaranth> and he wasn't saying anything
[21:17] <topyli> i was just in pm with him, we talked about his desktop theming (he pm'd me because "somebody kicked him for no reason")
[21:17] <ikonia> I'll take him pester me in pm , I'll just ignore it
[21:17] <ikonia> topyli: don't feed him
[21:17] <topyli> by then i knew what's going on and i said ban evading often fails
[21:17] <MenZa> topyli: Did you speak to IndyGunFreak?
[21:18] <topyli> heh no :)
[21:18] <MenZa> well, he's around now :)
[21:18] <Amaranth> Oh, that reminds me
[21:18] <topyli> ohh i forgot about his little thing
[21:18] <MenZa> I didn't
[21:18] <MenZa> :D
[21:18] <MenZa> silly topyli
[21:19] <topyli> ok ok i'm talking now :)
[21:19] <Amaranth> I forwarded rob86/derek_smart/hurd/selinux here yesterday after two users said he told them to run "echo I915_3D_STACK=1 > /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic" or such and killed their systems
[21:19] <MenZa> Users like that annoy me the most
[21:20] <ikonia> Amaranth: he's in ##linux now as crude
[21:20] <Amaranth> He says he didn't and we don't have any logs of it but two separate people say it happened
[21:20] <ikonia> Amaranth: he's been a problem as other nicks
[21:20] <Amaranth> And he has known to cause problems
[21:20] <Amaranth> Right
[21:21] <mneptok> his karma ran over his dogma
[21:22] <MenZa> topyli: if($compliance = FALSE) { banforward(#ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-ops); }
[21:22] <MenZa> sorry. I just feel like writing everything in php syntax now.
[21:22] <MenZa> :(
[21:22] <topyli> aye
[21:23] <MenZa> topyli: may I have the honours?
[21:23] <MenZa> aw.
[21:23] <topyli> oh, late
[21:23] <MenZa> Hello, IndyGunFreak.
[21:23] <IndyGunFreak> where cna i complain about an OP?
[21:23] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: Here, actually.
[21:23] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, right here
[21:23] <MenZa> Right here.
[21:23] <topyli> heh
[21:23] <MenZa> ^5, Flannel, topyli
[21:23] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: piss off
[21:23] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: Please don't take that tone.
[21:23] <IndyGunFreak> if i wnated to talk to you, i would
[21:23] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, no
[21:24] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: It won't do you, or anyone else any good.
[21:24] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: why donh't you just put me on ignore, ?
[21:24] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak, topyli: enough.
[21:24] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, operators never ignore anyone
[21:24] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: What's your complaint?
[21:24] <IndyGunFreak> i see signatures that are FAR FAR worse, than mine.
[21:24] <IndyGunFreak> yet you repeatedly bother e about mine
[21:24] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: What's your complaint?
[21:25] <IndyGunFreak> Flannel: i probably can't discuss the matter in a civil manner
[21:25] <topyli> for the record, i asked IndyGunFreak to change his quit message
[21:25] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: and for the record, why do you care what y exit says, its not offensive, its not swearing
[21:25] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: I encourage you to do so.  If you don't think you can at the moment, I encourage you to come back when you feel that you can.
[21:25] <MenZa> "If Barack Obama is the Answer, Then It was a Stupid Question" - just clarifying.
[21:26] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: the rules for sending messages to a channel include all messages, including /part and /quit messages
[21:26] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: then enforce it fairly
[21:26] <IndyGunFreak> i don't have a problem w/ the rule
[21:26] <IndyGunFreak> i have a problem w/ the fact it is unfairly enforce
[21:26] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: we are human, sometimes we miss something and would appreciate it if you (or others) brought it to out attention
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: well, topyli gets his/her/its rocks off going after me
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> and like i said, enforce it fairly, and i'd have no problem at all complying
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> i dont' cause problems for anyone, in any of the channels,
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> ever
[21:27] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: we do try, but there is only a limited number of us available at any time
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> BS
[21:27] <tsimpson> we can't see everything
[21:27] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, i don't remember going after you
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: im' not asking you to see everything
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: please, odn't talk to me
[21:27] <tsimpson> we are all volunteers, and have real lives too
[21:28] <tsimpson> we can't watch all the time
[21:28] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: right, you can only catch who you want to
[21:28] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: no, that's not my point
[21:28] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: If we're going to settle this dispute, please try to be civil.
[21:28] <tsimpson> sometimes there is just no one watching
[21:28] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: i'm beig as civil as possible
[21:28] <IndyGunFreak> i've not been rude yet, i've stated the fact
[21:29] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: Do you honestly not believe that there are only a limited number of us at a time?
[21:29] <tsimpson> we do try to watch, but it's just not possible to watch all the channels all of the time
[21:29] <IndyGunFreak> whatever
[21:29] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: you can repeat it all you want, it doesn't make it true
[21:29] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, please tell us where i have harrassed you, or "gone after you". so far i have asked you to change your quit message
[21:29] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: i've politely asked you not to talk to me
[21:30] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: ok, first it is true, doesn't matter if you believe it or not, still a fact
[21:30] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: and as i said, whatever
[21:30] <Flannel> topyli: He feels you're going after only him, instead of everyone.
[21:30] <tsimpson> second, I've tried to help you here, talking to you
[21:30] <IndyGunFreak> i'm not blind, i'm in the channels quite a bit
[21:30] <tsimpson> but you seem uninterested
[21:30] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: If you don't feel like you can talk to topyli, perhaps it would be better to do this when you've calmed down a bit.
[21:31] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: If you see other instances that we haven't caught, please bring them to our attention
[21:31] <IndyGunFreak> Flannel: whatever..
[21:32] <tsimpson> the bottom line is, the channel has rules and you don't want to respect that. we would love to discuss this and resolve the issue but you're not making it easy
[21:32] <tsimpson> so, why should we help you?
[21:32] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: i probably chose the wrong time to come here and discuss this to be truthful.. should've waited a while
[21:33] <IndyGunFreak> like i said, find the number of complaints about me bothering anyone,
[21:33] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: ok, if you want to come back tomorrow, we can start again when everyone is calm, sound good?
[21:33] <IndyGunFreak> tsimpson: no
[21:33] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: Then what is it you want to happen?
[21:33] <tsimpson> tomorrow is just a suggestion, when would you like to come back?
[21:33] <tsimpson> fine, just make it a normal ban
[21:33] <tsimpson> he can come back when he wants to talk
[21:34] <topyli> aye
[21:34] <MenZa> leave it where it is, I'm sure he'll calm down
[21:34] <MenZa> I've not seeing him be a problem before, so I'm holding out hope he will so we can resolve this.
[21:34] <tsimpson> I'm just saying to remove the forward, I can just see him getting more worked up when he auto-joins here when trying to join -ot
[21:35] <topyli> better without the autojoin
[21:36] <MenZa> hmm, I suppose
[21:38] <topyli> i can't really see what got him so worked up in the first place. i asked him to change the quit message
[21:38] <ikonia> I guess a political joke seems light compared to some of the stuff in offtopic
[21:38] <ikonia> and he seems to feel you've got it in for him
[21:39] <ikonia> 1+1=5
[21:39] <elky> topyli, he goes like that whenever someone asks him to do stuff
[21:39] <topyli> oh
[21:39] <elky> i once caught him in -ot in the immediate wake of a school shooting, comparing gun types with another person.
[21:41] <topyli> oh i have asked him to change a quit message before, in may
[21:41] <topyli> clearly i'm harrassing him
[22:12] <IndyGunFreak> If you wish to know what a man is, place him in authority.
[22:12] <IndyGunFreak> how's that for a message, so id on't have to endure anymore harassment
[22:12] <Flannel> Howdy IndyGunFreak, how can we help you today?
[22:13] <IndyGunFreak> i'm here to get clearance fronm the gestapo
[22:13] <IndyGunFreak> is anyone offended, have their feelings hurt, i'llf ind another quote if you don't like it
[22:14] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: Have a nice day.
[22:14] <IndyGunFreak> i'm asking a questionj, am i being ignored now?
[22:14] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: ?
[22:14] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: I'm not going to have a discussion if you're angry from the get-go.
[22:14] <IndyGunFreak> i'm not angry, i'm askign permission
[22:14] <IndyGunFreak> i'm over anger
[22:15] <IndyGunFreak> you've misinterpreted anger for disgust
[22:16]  * Pricey waves
[22:16] <IndyGunFreak> well you all were wanting to chat earlier, can i at least get some guidance?
[22:18] <Flannel> IndyGunFreak: That message is fine.
[22:18] <Pricey> Flannel: Mind if I take this one?
[22:18] <Flannel> Pricey: Go right ahead.
[22:18] <IndyGunFreak> Flannel: bring topyli in ehre and tell hi that
[22:19] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, hold on, i am here. just a minute
[22:19] <IndyGunFreak> cuz i'ms ure he'll find something wrong with it
[22:21] <Amaranth> I don't particularly like that message, honestly
[22:22] <IndyGunFreak> well how does it break the rules?
[22:22] <Amaranth> It's political trolling
[22:22] <IndyGunFreak> there's a lot of things i don't like, i was taught to deal with them
[22:22] <IndyGunFreak> no its not..
[22:22] <IndyGunFreak> its a statement
[22:24] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: If it said "I don't like Obama" or something I'd be fine with it
[22:24] <IndyGunFreak> whats the difference?
[22:24] <IndyGunFreak> its still a statement
[22:24] <Amaranth> But if you said that message in the channel normally I'd immediately call !stop because that discussion is already offtrack
[22:25] <IndyGunFreak> its just a part message, i never discuss politics in channels
[22:26] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: But you're saying it in the channel by having it as a part message
[22:26] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: i've saw plenty of statements that were way worse than mine, and nobody gets warned
[22:26] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: Show them to me and they will
[22:27] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: I've had a few other people rather upset at me for making them change their part message
[22:27] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: thats my point... i'm nto an op, i've not been reported by anyone, yet i'm always targeted.. so is it just bad luck on my part?
[22:27] <Amaranth> Someone saw you
[22:27] <IndyGunFreak> and someone ignores others
[22:28] <Amaranth> Bad analogy, I know, but if someone gets away with stealing and you don't would you say it's not fair because someone else got away with it?
[22:28] <IndyGunFreak> THATS a bad analogy
[22:28] <Amaranth> It's a similar situation but with a very different event
[22:28] <IndyGunFreak> if you spend all yoru time standing over my shoulder to watch me steal, its a given that others will get away with it
[22:29] <Amaranth> I don't spend any more time watching you than anyone else
[22:29] <IndyGunFreak> i wasn't aying you directly
[22:29] <Amaranth> Sure but I'm the one saying you need to change it
[22:29] <IndyGunFreak> i'm gonna change it...
[22:30] <IndyGunFreak> thats why i'm getting clearance before i do
[22:30] <Amaranth> It's easy to know what is allowed
[22:30] <IndyGunFreak> cuz if topyli ever PMs me again, i'll complain again
[22:30] <IndyGunFreak> so something like, "Prayer - How to do nothing and feel good about it" would not be allowed right?
[22:30] <Amaranth> Would someone call !ops or !guidelines or anything similar if you said the same thing in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:30] <Amaranth> Right, that would not be allowed
[22:30] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, ok.
[22:31] <IndyGunFreak> maybe ops just open their eyes when im chatting or something
[22:31] <IndyGunFreak> parting/leaving, etc
[22:31] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, i might, and you may. however, think about this: you do have to observe channel rules, and you should listen when asked to do so
[22:31] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: i do observe channel rules
[22:31] <IndyGunFreak> i don't bother anyone
[22:31] <IndyGunFreak> i don't swear, i'm hardly even rude
[22:31] <topyli> and no, religious trolling is no better than political trolling
[22:32] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: then i wish you would enforce that as heavy handed on others as you do on me
[22:32] <IndyGunFreak> but of course..  you won't
[22:32] <topyli> i do
[22:32] <IndyGunFreak> whatever
[22:32] <IndyGunFreak> dont *pee* on my back and tell me its raining
[22:33] <Amaranth> This isn't helping...
[22:33] <IndyGunFreak> all i wanna know is if the quote I posted above is acceptable...
[22:33] <topyli> however, your quit message didn't need a "heavy hand". but you should listen when people ask you to live by the rules of the pub
[22:33] <IndyGunFreak> and i'll change it.
[22:33] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: It isn't
[22:33] <IndyGunFreak> so if topyli bothers me anymore, then he would be harassing me, correct?
[22:34] <Amaranth> Not if topyli is talking to you as an op about op-related things
[22:34] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, i asked you to change your quit message. i will do so again if it's not nice
[22:34] <Seeker`> depends on whether you are doing anything wrong
[22:34] <IndyGunFreak> Seeker`: thats the thing, i don't bother people in the channels, and haven't ever.
[22:34] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: can you read?... i asked if the one i posted was offensive
[22:34] <IndyGunFreak> if it is, i'll find another
[22:34] <topyli> you have bothered people on the channel, with quit messages
[22:34] <IndyGunFreak> till everyone says its oK.. so i dont have to deal w/ you anymore
[22:35] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: whatever.. you only see what you want to see..
[22:35] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: I've told you twice it is offensive and so has topyli
[22:35] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: you were told that it isn't acceptable
[22:35] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: i never heard a word form you until today, adn i'm referring to the one i posted here
[22:35] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, you do have to deal with me, as long as i'm opping the channel and you are in there. sorry
[22:35] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: Right, I've told you twice the prayer one is not acceptable
[22:35] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: thats not mine.. thats someonje elses.. i'ms ure topyli will slap him on the back and say what a great part message that is
[22:36] <Seeker`> if an op sees it, they will say something to them about it
[22:36] <Amaranth> If you see it tell an op
[22:36] <IndyGunFreak> my job isn't to be your eyes.
[22:36] <IndyGunFreak> i'm just a communmity member here that tries to help
[22:37] <MenZa> so are we.
[22:37] <Amaranth> Then you are not allowed to complain when we miss them
[22:37] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: i am when i'm harassed
[22:37] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: Ok, this discussion has gone on long enough and isn't making any progress
[22:37] <Amaranth> Simply question: Are you going to change the message?
[22:37] <IndyGunFreak> bu tlike i said, thats water under the bridge... i'll change it, then i expect unless i'm breaking a rule,f or topyli to never bother me again
[22:37] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, you are not harrassed. you are asked to change your quit message
[22:37] <MenZa> As I see it, this discussion is not going to go any further, and it's raising a number of issues.
[22:37] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: whatever...
[22:38] <Seeker`> I'm confused as to how topyli could be harassing IndyGunFreak if he has never done anything wrong
[22:38] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: Playing the victim and being a jerk is not helping
[22:38] <MenZa> Specifically, you being unwilling to comply, refusing to take a sober tone with us (we're here to help), and talking down to us.
[22:38] <IndyGunFreak> Seeker`: then there's no reasonm to comment further
[22:38] <MenZa> It's not helping you, and it's not making our job easier.
[22:38] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: i've complied, all i said, is the quote i posted(when I came back), acceptable.. and folks are talking about my former quote.. that one will change
[22:39] <MenZa> We're people. We're not infallible. We don't have magic filters which will tell us when a quit message which violates the guidelines are posted.
[22:39] <IndyGunFreak> thats a done issue
[22:39] <Amaranth> At this point even if you change the message I don't think the ban should be removed, you seem to have other issues.
[22:39] <topyli> for the record: i have never kicked or banned IndyGunFreak before in my life. i have asked him to change his quit message twice: today and 3rd of may this year
[22:39] <IndyGunFreak> Amaranth: i don't bohter anyone.
[22:39] <IndyGunFreak> topyli: you keeping score or something?
[22:39] <IndyGunFreak> i don't really care abou tgoint back to offtopic.. i rarely chat there anyways
[22:39] <topyli> IndyGunFreak, fortunately it's automated :)
[22:39] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: And THAT'S exactly what I'm talking about. If you can't take a sober tone, please don't speak at all.
[22:40] <tsimpson> I don't think this is getting anywhere
[22:40] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: my tone is sober.. with everyone but topyli
[22:40] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: that's an issue
[22:40] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: don't accuse someone of harassing you and then make snide comments when they try to point out that they haven't been
[22:40] <Amaranth> IndyGunFreak: It needs to be so with everyone.
[22:40] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: topyli is an op, and I suggest you speak to him like you would to any other.
[22:40] <MenZa> Be that in #ubuntu, -offtopic, or in here.
[22:40] <IndyGunFreak> Seeker`: its easy to pul one or two things out, thats all i'll say
[22:40] <topyli> well, i'm not lifting the ban today. we can talk about it later when a rational discussion is established
[22:40] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: regardless of if they are an op or not, in all our channels the Code of Conduct must be respected, part of that code is being respectful
[22:41] <tsimpson> if you have a dislike for an op, ask for mediation
[22:41] <IndyGunFreak> none of you are listening.. at all.
[22:41] <IndyGunFreak> i'm not here to discuss me getitng banned
[22:41] <MenZa> IndyGunFreak: I think you should come back when you can speak to topyli - and the rest of us - in a proper manner. If you don't like this solution, see !appeals. This discussion is not going anywhere.
[22:41] <IndyGunFreak> i'm asking a simple... question...
[22:41] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: i am calm, i just want a single, simple, answer
[22:41] <MenZa> You've had it answered, and you're still going on. And your attitude is totally unacceptable.
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> would this... be offensive..  If you wish to know what a man is, place him in authority.
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> Author: Yugoslav Proverb
[22:42] <tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: your (new) quit message seems fine. but that's not the entire issue any more
[22:42] <Seeker`> -00:30:43- :IndyGunFreak : so something like, "Prayer - How to do nothing and feel good about it" would not be allowed right?
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> Seeker`: no, thats somebody elses
[22:42] <Seeker`> -00:30:55- :Amaranth+: Right, that would not be allowed
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> i don't ant that one
[22:42] <Seeker`> thats the only one ive seen you ask about
[22:42] <IndyGunFreak> like i said... i just want o make sure theres an understanding
[22:43] <tsimpson> if you're not here to discus the ban, and just want to know if the message is ok. then it's fine
[22:43] <tsimpson> if you don't want to discus anything else, we seem to be done
[22:44] <IndyGunFreak> what are you takling about tsimpson ?
[22:44] <IndyGunFreak> i came here, to ask 1, simple question
[22:44] <MenZa> you asked the question. you had a reply. and you're now asking for the fourth time.
[22:44] <MenZa> Yes, that proverb would be an acceptable quit message.
[22:44] <MenZa> Anything else?
[22:44] <IndyGunFreak> MenZa: thank you, thast all i wnated
[22:44] <tsimpson> [22:42:04]<tsimpson> IndyGunFreak: your (new) quit message seems fine. but that's not the entire issue any more
[22:44] <MenZa> For the love of $deity.
[22:45] <tsimpson> well, I did answer his question...
[22:45] <MenZa> tsimpson: yeah, three times.
[22:45] <MenZa> anyway, I'm hoping he'll be in a better mood when he decides to come back.
[22:45] <MenZa> so that we may resolve this properly.
[22:50] <topyli> "inflating a simple request to enormous proprotions HOWTO" in the works
[22:50]  * MenZa giggles.
[22:52] <topyli> this will end okay i'm sure. i have to say that, because i'm going to bed and i never go to bed worried!
[22:52]  * MenZa snuggles topyli 
[22:52] <MenZa> night <3
[22:53] <topyli> night :)
[22:57] <Seeker`> sandsmark: how can we help you?
[22:57] <sandsmark> Seeker`: I was just looking if wizzo was here
[22:57] <sandsmark> (and thought it was rude to just join and part :-)
[22:58] <Seeker`> they aren't here
[23:10] <Flannel> Howdy Pilif12p, how can we help you today?
[23:10] <Pilif12p> I was just gonna ask if floodbot is open source.
[23:10] <Pilif12p> but i got my answer in #ubuntu-irc
[23:15] <MenZa> Pilif12p: Was that it? :)
[23:16] <Pilif12p> Yep.
[23:19] <MenZa> gord: what does one do about such people :(
[23:42] <jpds> MenZa: Not a lot.
[23:44] <MenZa> jpds: Kaplagrmlar.
[23:44] <jpds> ut
[23:44] <jpds> wut*
[23:44] <MenZa> Exactly.
[23:44]  * jpds steals MenZa's 10 beers.
[23:44] <MenZa> :(
[23:44] <MenZa> I want beer now.
[23:44] <MenZa> Damn you, jpds
[23:58] <callan> hi I'm an op in #archlinux-offtopic. I just need to talk about some of the stuff that's happening between that channel and the ubuntu channel
[23:58] <callan> I might be in and out since I'm at work right now but can you please not remove me for now while I explain myself
[23:59] <callan> basically something like a month ago there was some silly troll thing which was supposedly organized in the arch offtopic channel