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| tseliot | jcristau, tjaalton: what package does it launch X with parameters such as "-bg" or "-fg" in debian and ubuntu? I can't remember | 10:27 |
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| tseliot | ah, right it's /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc in xinit. Never mind | 10:41 |
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| RAOF | Woop! Woop! | 21:42 |
| RAOF | Nouveau is now faster, cleaner, smoother than nv, *and* *supports* *suspend*. | 21:43 |
| tormod | RAOF, cool. I copied your new stuff to xorg-edgers also. you might want to get a newer libdrm from there. | 21:51 |
| RAOF | tormod: Oh, should I be uploading there? | 21:51 |
| tormod | would be nice if you can copy the ddx and the modules package there, so people can get everything in one place | 21:52 |
| RAOF | In future I'll just upload straight there, then. | 21:52 |
| tormod | yeah | 21:53 |
| tormod | I was just thinking you wanted to let people test nouveau without updating the whole xorg stack | 21:53 |
| RAOF | Well, maybe. So, I guess I'll upload it to both places. | 21:54 |
| tormod | but they would profit from newer mesa as well | 21:54 |
| RAOF | Not for nouveau they wouldn't. | 21:54 |
| RAOF | Surely we don't build the nouveau DRI module, do we? | 21:54 |
| tormod | you can do a no-build copy for the module package, and a rebuild-copy of the ddx | 21:55 |
| tormod | oh well I guess not | 21:55 |
| RAOF | Upstream would be most displeased if we were shipping their DRI :) | 21:55 |
| tormod | ok :) I just have seen various nv50 and nouveau commits but I guess that's forbidden fruit then | 21:58 |
| RAOF | Oh, apparently it works quite well - to the point of developers running compiz & such. | 21:59 |
| RAOF | It's just aggressively unsupported still. | 21:59 |
| tormod | ok, but users can profit from newer sw rendering then :) | 22:00 |
| RAOF | Fair 'nuff :) | 22:00 |
| RAOF | So, nouveau TODO: (1) enable kms by default in the ppa, so users get working suspend/resume. (2) play with the DRI. (3) Get people discussing nouveau as default open-source nvidia driver for lucid. | 22:03 |
| bryce | hi guys | 22:03 |
| RAOF | Howdie. | 22:04 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: I've been told nouveau with metacity or kwin compositing feels as fast as nvidia with compiz | 22:13 |
| Amaranth | so that's pretty cool, that means the XRender acceleration is _awesome_ | 22:13 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: I think they're underplaying the speed of nouveau. I find it _faster_ than nvidia with compiz. | 22:16 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 22:17 |
| RAOF | And, yes. The XRender acceleration is _awesome_. | 22:17 |
| Amaranth | It's as good as intel but the hardware is like 6x faster | 22:17 |
| RAOF | Right. | 22:17 |
| Amaranth | hopefully people don't start thinking using cairo for video games is a good idea :) | 22:17 |
| RAOF | This ~3 year old 7600go is tremendously faster than my new intel laptop. | 22:18 |
| tormod | bryce, seems like a couple of intel issues out there in 9.10? what do you think? | 22:42 |
| bryce | tormod, which ones? | 22:43 |
| bryce | unfortunately all the checkbox bugs filed against X have been consuming my attention | 22:43 |
| tormod | hangs with i8xx (but that's maybe nothing new) and resolution problems on i915 | 22:44 |
| tormod | but I am pretty new to intel bugs, so maybe it is just business as usual what I am seeing | 22:45 |
| bryce | the resolution problems could be due to dropped monitor quirks due to KMS | 22:46 |
| bryce | jbarnes might have an inkling | 22:46 |
| tormod | and some have upgrade issues because they have cruft in xorg.conf I think | 22:46 |
| bryce | yeah | 22:46 |
| tormod | what are checkbox bugs? | 22:48 |
| jbarnes | tormod: not sure if the 8xx fixes are in the ubuntu kernel (I think most should be) but there have definitely been a lot of fixes in that area in the past few months | 22:48 |
| jbarnes | 9xx resolution stuff is new to me, what are you seeing? | 22:48 |
| tormod | for instance bug 433326 | 22:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 433326 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945g] maximum resolution: 800x600" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433326 | 22:50 |
| jbarnes | sounds like it's failing to get a decent edid? | 22:53 |
| jbarnes | hm no xrandr looks good | 22:54 |
| jbarnes | indicates things are running at 1360x768 even | 22:54 |
| bryce | tormod, checkbox bugs -> there is now a 'System Test' tool under the System menu, which after you go through it lets you file bug reports against xorg | 23:03 |
| bryce | bug 448913 is an example | 23:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 448913 in checkbox "." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448913 | 23:03 |
| bryce | bunch more are in the xorg package that I haven't had time to move/close/deal-with | 23:04 |
| bryce | jbarnes, on that bug I gather they hardcoded the h/v sync rates in xorg.conf to get their resolution | 23:05 |
| tormod | bryce, great report there ;) | 23:05 |
| bryce | bug 471246 is more typical | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 471246 in xorg "Screen resolution set to 800x600 or 600x480, Intel integrated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/471246 | 23:07 |
| pwnguin | RAOF: the only place where it's slow is with the UNR clutter UI | 23:08 |
| bryce | jbarnes, ^ what do you think? I'm not even certain what info is needed to debug such an issue | 23:08 |
| jbarnes | xrandr --prop from a startup w/o an xorg.conf | 23:08 |
| RAOF | pwnguin: Well, have you actually installed the DRI component? Otherwise you're not really testing nouveau, you're testing how good mesa's software rasteriser is! | 23:08 |
| jbarnes | that would tell us if it finds an edid at least | 23:09 |
| bryce | jbarnes, wouldn't xrandr --verbose show the same? | 23:09 |
| bryce | (that's what is attached by default) | 23:09 |
| jbarnes | yeah that should have it, maybe I missed that | 23:09 |
| bryce | oh wait | 23:10 |
| bryce | checkbox seems to only use -q not --verbose | 23:10 |
| jbarnes | oops | 23:10 |
| bryce | wow, it's even more useless than I had thought | 23:10 |
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