=== cwillu_ is now known as cwillu [10:27] jcristau, tjaalton: what package does it launch X with parameters such as "-bg" or "-fg" in debian and ubuntu? I can't remember [10:41] ah, right it's /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc in xinit. Never mind === marjomercado is now known as marjo === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [21:42] Woop! Woop! [21:43] Nouveau is now faster, cleaner, smoother than nv, *and* *supports* *suspend*. [21:51] RAOF, cool. I copied your new stuff to xorg-edgers also. you might want to get a newer libdrm from there. [21:51] tormod: Oh, should I be uploading there? [21:52] would be nice if you can copy the ddx and the modules package there, so people can get everything in one place [21:52] In future I'll just upload straight there, then. [21:53] yeah [21:53] I was just thinking you wanted to let people test nouveau without updating the whole xorg stack [21:54] Well, maybe. So, I guess I'll upload it to both places. [21:54] but they would profit from newer mesa as well [21:54] Not for nouveau they wouldn't. [21:54] Surely we don't build the nouveau DRI module, do we? [21:55] you can do a no-build copy for the module package, and a rebuild-copy of the ddx [21:55] oh well I guess not [21:55] Upstream would be most displeased if we were shipping their DRI :) [21:58] ok :) I just have seen various nv50 and nouveau commits but I guess that's forbidden fruit then [21:59] Oh, apparently it works quite well - to the point of developers running compiz & such. [21:59] It's just aggressively unsupported still. [22:00] ok, but users can profit from newer sw rendering then :) [22:00] Fair 'nuff :) [22:03] So, nouveau TODO: (1) enable kms by default in the ppa, so users get working suspend/resume. (2) play with the DRI. (3) Get people discussing nouveau as default open-source nvidia driver for lucid. [22:03] hi guys [22:04] Howdie. [22:13] RAOF: I've been told nouveau with metacity or kwin compositing feels as fast as nvidia with compiz [22:13] so that's pretty cool, that means the XRender acceleration is _awesome_ [22:16] Amaranth: I think they're underplaying the speed of nouveau. I find it _faster_ than nvidia with compiz. [22:17] hehe [22:17] And, yes. The XRender acceleration is _awesome_. [22:17] It's as good as intel but the hardware is like 6x faster [22:17] Right. [22:17] hopefully people don't start thinking using cairo for video games is a good idea :) [22:18] This ~3 year old 7600go is tremendously faster than my new intel laptop. [22:42] bryce, seems like a couple of intel issues out there in 9.10? what do you think? [22:43] tormod, which ones? [22:43] unfortunately all the checkbox bugs filed against X have been consuming my attention [22:44] hangs with i8xx (but that's maybe nothing new) and resolution problems on i915 [22:45] but I am pretty new to intel bugs, so maybe it is just business as usual what I am seeing [22:46] the resolution problems could be due to dropped monitor quirks due to KMS [22:46] jbarnes might have an inkling [22:46] and some have upgrade issues because they have cruft in xorg.conf I think [22:46] yeah [22:48] what are checkbox bugs? [22:48] tormod: not sure if the 8xx fixes are in the ubuntu kernel (I think most should be) but there have definitely been a lot of fixes in that area in the past few months [22:48] 9xx resolution stuff is new to me, what are you seeing? [22:50] for instance bug 433326 [22:50] Launchpad bug 433326 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945g] maximum resolution: 800x600" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433326 [22:53] sounds like it's failing to get a decent edid? [22:54] hm no xrandr looks good [22:54] indicates things are running at 1360x768 even [23:03] tormod, checkbox bugs -> there is now a 'System Test' tool under the System menu, which after you go through it lets you file bug reports against xorg [23:03] bug 448913 is an example [23:03] Launchpad bug 448913 in checkbox "." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448913 [23:04] bunch more are in the xorg package that I haven't had time to move/close/deal-with [23:05] jbarnes, on that bug I gather they hardcoded the h/v sync rates in xorg.conf to get their resolution [23:05] bryce, great report there ;) [23:07] bug 471246 is more typical [23:07] Launchpad bug 471246 in xorg "Screen resolution set to 800x600 or 600x480, Intel integrated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/471246 [23:08] RAOF: the only place where it's slow is with the UNR clutter UI [23:08] jbarnes, ^ what do you think? I'm not even certain what info is needed to debug such an issue [23:08] xrandr --prop from a startup w/o an xorg.conf [23:08] pwnguin: Well, have you actually installed the DRI component? Otherwise you're not really testing nouveau, you're testing how good mesa's software rasteriser is! [23:09] that would tell us if it finds an edid at least [23:09] jbarnes, wouldn't xrandr --verbose show the same? [23:09] (that's what is attached by default) [23:09] yeah that should have it, maybe I missed that [23:10] oh wait [23:10] checkbox seems to only use -q not --verbose [23:10] oops [23:10] wow, it's even more useless than I had thought