[00:01] <Tonno> vinnl, i have a question
[00:02] <vinnl> Bring it :)
[00:02] <Tonno> if i put the vista metacity on xubuntu
[00:02] <Tonno> i cannot put the transparency ?
[00:03] <Tonno> if i want that i will have to install compiz and emerald?
[00:04] <vinnl> Wait, Metacity?
[00:05] <Tonno> i mean if i want the "X, minimize, and maximize" with transparency, like u have it here http://www.23hq.com/23666/2871684_69ef00374fb872c43936b89a34ce437f_standard.jpg
[00:06] <vinnl> Ah, yes, if you want it *with transparency* then you'll need to run Compiz
[00:07] <vinnl> But there are Vista themes without transparency as well: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Vista+Basic+Xfwm4?content=78371
[00:07] <vinnl> Or http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Vista+Aero+?content=75112
[00:08] <Tonno> :( vinnl  but... me confuced.
[00:08] <Tonno> ok..... i dont know how to say it in english....
[00:08] <vinnl> Tonno, if you're native language is Dutch then you can try that too ;-)
[00:08] <Tonno> ok here i go
[00:09] <Tonno> is spanish :)
[00:09] <vinnl> Sorry, I don't speak Spanish ;-)
[00:09] <knome> !es
[00:10] <vinnl> Hey knome :)
[00:10] <knome> óla vinnl ;)
[00:10] <Tonno> last night, i boot the xubuntu 8.10 live cd. and i click on applications, and the i click and setting
[00:10] <Tonno> i then i click to the last option, that i dont remember the name .....
[00:11] <Tonno> but
[00:11] <Tonno> i saw there that i can put the metacity with transparency, without compiz and emerald
[00:12] <Tonno> if u give me. 13min, i can go the give u more detals. :S
[00:12] <vinnl> Tonno, Metacity is the window manager of GNOME/Ubuntu, xfwm4 is ours
[00:12] <vinnl> Well, I do really need to get to bed some time :P
[00:14] <vinnl> I believe that did support compositing as well, and then might support transparency in its themes. As far as I know, xfwm4 doesn't support transparency
[00:15] <Tonno> ohhh....... pleases vinnl give the 20min to look for the information that u required :S may i come back in 20min?
[00:16] <vinnl> Tonno, hmm... I don't really want to give a guarantee. I could give you my email address
[00:16] <vinnl> Ah whatever, I think I can spare another twenty
[00:17] <Tonno> jajajajaja :P tonno@8u8.com ( msn )
[00:17] <Tonno> so then u can go :)
[00:17] <Tonno> and sleep well
[00:17] <vinnl> OK, if I go I'll add you on MSN :)
[00:18] <Tonno> ok
[00:18] <Tonno> brb
[00:19] <lumimies> Hey guys, I think Xubuntu 9.10 is just great!
[00:19] <vinnl> lumimies, good to hear :)
[00:20] <lumimies> maybe the best Linux I've used
[00:20] <lumimies> only few things suck: vlc, konqueror etc look UGLY
[00:21] <lumimies> any idea why KDE apps look bad?
[00:21] <vinnl> Yes, because they use a different toolkit, which means they can't use the themes made for Xubuntu's toolkit
[00:22] <lumimies> yeah, got it, but on Kubuntu, gnome apps look fine i think
[00:23] <lumimies> i mean why not even tolerable?
[00:23] <vinnl> Hmm... Perhaps no Qt theme has been defined now?
[00:23] <vinnl> Not sure which application KDE uses to select a theme, but you could try installing that
[00:24] <lumimies> get an app which selects themes??
[00:24] <vinnl> Yeah, but Qt themes
[00:24] <lumimies> any idea what the name might be?
[00:25] <vinnl> Not sure, I suppose I could look for it
[00:26] <lumimies> okay but I got to go soon....
[00:26] <lumimies> I just want to say that because Xubuntu is otherwise so GREAT why have something that is so so so very very ugly??
[00:27] <lumimies> I honestly think this should be fixed!!!
[00:28] <vinnl> Yeah it sounds like a bug because at least they're tolerable for me
[00:28] <vinnl> !bug
[00:28] <vinnl> Looks like you need Qt4 settings
[00:28] <lumimies> ok, i take a look at that sometime, i can live with it...
[00:32] <lumimies> ok, thanks guys
[00:33] <vinnl> yw :)
[00:36] <lumimies> oh, one thing, i think i said just apt-get install konqueror on a fresh Xubuntu 9.10, should I get good lookin Qt stuff?
[00:36] <vinnl> I suppose so
[00:37] <lumimies> ok
[00:41] <vinnl> Hmm... I wouldn't mind at all if Tonno came back now :P
[00:41] <Devastator> vinnl i'm installing xubuntu with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, nomraid, without that i would see "kernel panic"
[00:44] <vinnl> Devastator, and, is it going well?
[00:45] <Devastator> vinnl so far, so good
[00:45] <vinnl> Nice :)
[00:45] <Devastator> i will suffer with my ethernet pcmcia card later.. it won't detected
[00:45] <Devastator> opss
[00:45] <Devastator> detect
[01:02] <Tonno> vinnl, back
[01:02] <vinnl> Finally :)
[01:03] <Tonno> :P
[01:04] <Tonno> me sending u a file
[01:04] <vinnl> Ah hmm
[01:04] <vinnl> Sorry I clicked it away, can you send it again?
[01:04] <Tonno> ok :)
[01:04] <vinnl> (I never knew you could send screenshots through IRC)
[01:05] <Tonno> there it is
[01:06] <vinnl> Ah, yes
[01:06] <Tonno> ill tell u wat i did
[01:06] <vinnl> But that's transparency of the windows, not of window borders
[01:06] <vinnl> Oh no wait
[01:07] <vinnl> Hmm
[01:07] <Tonno> i can see the borders tranparency there
[01:07] <vinnl> But it looks like that makes the whole border transparent. You could use that, I suppose
[01:07] <Tonno> and the driver is vesa generic :S
[01:08] <ron_o> I don't get if ipv6 is such a problem, then why are we using it so much?
[01:08] <ron_o> is this kind of like chicken and egg scenario?
[01:08] <Tonno> u think that it will work with ur theme vista?
[01:08] <vinnl> Yeah it should work, not sure if it looks good, you'd have to try it
[01:08] <vinnl> I believe because ipv4 is running out of IPs, but I wouldn't know
[01:09] <Tonno> ok... i gonna bookmark u site :)
[01:09] <vinnl> Hehe... I need to write something there again some time :P
[01:10] <Tonno> i believe that u can go to sleep now man... sorry for bother u :(.... thanks for ur time :)
[01:10] <ron_o> vinnl, I see. That's right. I forgot about that one. It's just that ipv6 isn't implented as well as it should be, so for some people it creates problems.
[01:10] <vinnl> Tonno, hehe no problem
[01:10] <ron_o> I think it's better to just change DNS servers.
[01:10] <vinnl> Yeah I'm really not up to scratch on it, I hope knowledgeable people will fix it :P
[01:10] <vinnl> Like the Ubuntu developers ;-)
[01:14] <vinnl> OK then I'm really off to bed now, later
[01:19] <ron_o> shoot, he left. It's not just an OS problem. It's one of those chicken/egg scenarios. It's a server/OS/people/business problem...
[01:20] <ron_o> it's really (probably) up to MS to fix it. They've got the dominate share..
[01:21] <ron_o> the thing is in Karmic ipv6 isn't a module so you must pass info to the kernel in order to fix it.
[01:21] <ron_o> damn..
[01:22] <Tonno> i would like to help u ron_o but idontknow to much english and i dont know what are u talking about :( me sorry
[01:25] <ron_o> Tonno, that's alright (about english)... I wish I knew your languange instead...
[01:25] <ron_o> prtc.net?Where?
[01:28] <Tonno> Puerto Rico Telephone Company
[01:28] <Tonno> i know English ( no much ) Spanish 100% jejeje and Arabic.
[01:30] <ron_o> wow, Arabic. Where'd you learn that?
[01:30] <ron_o> Spanish is good. I hear Italian is very much like it.
[01:33] <ron_o> I bet you it's the dns server
[01:37] <Tonno> i know arabic because i learned from my seft. reading books and stuff in the lenguage.
[01:39] <ron_o> seft? teacher?
[01:40] <Tonno> if a teacher make me learn it?
[01:40] <Tonno> no
[01:40] <Tonno> myseft
[02:05] <ron_o> 'seft' and 'myseft' haven't any meaing in english.
[02:05] <ron_o> oh... 'myself'... :)
[02:06] <ron_o> 'I see. You learned it yourself...   :)
[02:06] <Tonno> jajajajaas i said... i dont know to much english :D
[02:06] <ron_o> :)
[02:06] <Tonno> :P
[02:06] <ron_o> your english beats my spanish.
[02:06] <Tonno> :P
[02:07] <ron_o> no speako spanish..:)
[02:07] <Tonno> speako?
[02:07] <Tonno> :P
[02:07] <ron_o> in english, we jokingly put vowels at the end of words to act like we know another languange. It's cultural.
[02:08] <ron_o> it's imitative of italian.
[02:08] <Tonno> ohhh :P jejeej yeah
[02:09] <ron_o> no se hablo spanish.
[02:09] <ron_o> I took spanish in highschool.
[02:09] <ron_o> but, damn. Takes too long to speak it.
[02:09] <Tonno> corection: No se hablar Español :)
[02:09] <ron_o> hehe. :)
[02:10] <Tonno> dude... come to puerto rico. u wiull learn spanish in 4 month
[02:10] <Tonno> :P
[02:10] <ron_o> :)
[02:10] <ron_o> I will learn the languange of money quicker.
[02:10] <ron_o> my spanish teacher told us that if you don't command the spanish languange enough you will be taken to the market. :)
[02:11] <ron_o> = stolen from.
[02:13] <ron_o> actually, that was in South America/Mexico and not Puerto Rico. :)
[02:13] <Tonno> ohhh ok :)
[02:14] <Tonno> Honestly, i dont like spanish :S
[02:14] <Tonno> my fav lenguage es Arabic :)
[02:15] <Tonno> because is wierd writing, reading it, and speaking it
[02:17] <ron_o> weird is right.. Cyrillic?
[02:20] <Tonno> what is Cyrillic?
[02:26] <ron_o> an alphabet derived from the Greek alphabet and used for writing Slavic languages (Russian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Ukrainian, and some other Slavic languages)
[02:26] <ron_o> I was wrong..
[02:26] <ron_o> I thought that Arabic was Cyrillic. It isn't.
[02:38] <EbolaVirus> !ops
[02:43] <Macrophage> !ops
[02:55] <Devastator> "set up users and passwords" is giving "installation step failed", how can i fix it?
[03:01] <_Techie_> check that your installation cd is not damaged and try again
[03:03] <Tonno> ron_o, sorry about late. i was play9ing armagetron :)
[03:13] <Devastator> _Techie_ unfortunately it's not damaged
[03:23] <Legendre> good grief, which repo must I add to install skype?
[03:50] <Animagladius> Night, world.
[03:52] <dbdii407> I think this is a bug. Everytime i open windows, There is no border and windows do not appear in the bottom window list
[03:53] <dbdii407> I can't even move any windows
[03:54] <_Techie_> Legendre, skype is not available from the repo's however they do offer a .deb on their website
[03:55] <_Techie_> dbdii407, sounds like your window manager isnt working, try launching xfwm
[03:55] <_Techie_> might be called xfwm4
[03:55] <dbdii407> TY!
[03:56] <_Techie_> dont thank me untill it works
[03:56] <dbdii407> It is working now
[03:56] <_Techie_> kk
[03:56] <dbdii407> But will i have to do that everytime on boot?
[03:57] <_Techie_> well, if you want to reboot then come back in here and if it doesnt load on boot i can guide you through having it start
[03:57] <dbdii407> Actually. Mind telling me that. Now that I remember. I did restart and it still wasn't there.
[03:58] <_Techie_> gimme a minute to boot into linux, im currently in windows
[03:58] <dbdii407> There's also another problem. At times, I can't click on anything with my mouse. I usually have to replug it to make it work
[03:59] <dbdii407> This has been a problem in past releases for me also.
[04:01] <_Techie_> okay, im in ubuntu now
[04:04] <uc> hi
[04:04] <uc> i have a problem, i cant setup dual monitor
[04:04] <uc> on an acer travelmate 2355
[04:08] <likemindead> facepalm.jpg
[04:12] <_Techie_> okay, im back
[04:12] <_Techie_> dbdii407, you can add the command int the file "/etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default" you will most likely have to create it first though
[04:28] <dbdii407> _Techie_, Created.
[04:28] <uc> i dont get dual head to work in xubuntu xfce, in gnome it works fine
[04:29] <_Techie_> dbdii407, that should work, although it may not like the fact that that file is run as root, if so then we can prefix it with sudo
[04:29] <dbdii407> There's nothing in it though
[04:29] <dbdii407> Everything is commented
[04:30] <_Techie_> yeah, create the file with xfwm4
[04:30] <dbdii407> I totally know how to do that _Techie_ ;)
[04:30] <_Techie_> sudo echo xfwm4 >> /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default
[04:32] <dbdii407> bash: /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default: Permission denied O_o
[04:33] <uc> okay anyone who can help me with a dual monitor setup?
[04:34] <_Techie_> uc, pastebin the output of xrandr please
[04:34] <dbdii407> What the hell
[04:34] <dbdii407> O_o
[04:35] <dbdii407> That command... Will not go through
[04:35] <_Techie_> dbdii407, you wanna know something freaky, my /etc/gdm/* folders have gone
[04:36] <uc> http://pastebin.com/m28832a1e <- everything fine there
[04:36] <_Techie_> you want VGA on the left or right?
[04:37] <uc> vga left, other one right
[04:37] <_Techie_> kk,
[04:37] <uc> already gave xrandr a try, dunno if my command was right tho
[04:37] <_Techie_> xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --left-of LVDS1
[04:37] <_Techie_> that should do the trick
[04:40] <uc> okay and when i reboot or relogin? should i put that into startup commands? or is it automatically right then?
[04:40] <_Techie_> oh whoops, haha my /etc/gdm/* folders arent gone ROFL, i didnt realise im still ssh'ing my australian server
[04:40] <uc> lol
[04:40] <_Techie_> uc, chuck it into your startup commands
[04:41] <uc> techie okay right, thank you
[04:41] <_Techie_> no problem
[04:41] <Devastator> trying to install xubuntu again, attempt #5
[04:41] <dbdii407> _Techie_, About the "Permission Denied" thing? O_o
[04:41] <uc> testing, brb
[04:42] <_Techie_> umm, dbdii407 the other alternative is to do what uc is most likely doing and put it into your startup commands via the session config in the preferences menu
[04:42] <dbdii407> The easy way. :P
[04:42] <dbdii407> Ok
[04:43] <_Techie_> i just like to have things load as early as possible, my dual head setup initialises before i even log in
[04:43] <_Techie_> even though the login window will only ever show on one screen
[04:44] <Devastator> i spent all day trying to install linux again.. it shouldn't gave me so much trouble :|
[04:49] <dbdii407> xUbuntu?
[04:49] <dbdii407> How are you installing it?
[04:50] <dbdii407> I had Installation issues with last release. I had to skip the LiveOS part.
[04:50] <_Techie_> 9.10 is still very itchy, i would wait untill 9.10.1 or .1 till you depend on it
[04:51] <_Techie_> i take it that uc got his dualhead setup working
[04:52] <Devastator> dbdii407 first time i couldn't pass network hardware detection, gave me kernel panic
[04:52] <Devastator> then "installation step failed" under set up users and passwords
[04:52] <Devastator> then "installation step failed" under configuring packages
[04:52] <_Techie_> Devastator, how new is your hardware?
[04:53] <Devastator> _Techie_ that's the thing, veeeeeery old, but i'm using alternate cd
[04:53] <_Techie_> might be that some of your hardware is unreliable
[04:53] <_Techie_> i would start by trying a different CD-ROM drive
[04:54] <Devastator> it's a laptop :S
[04:54] <_Techie_> bugger
[04:54] <Devastator> yep
[04:54] <_Techie_> i guess it doesnt support booting from usb
[04:54] <Devastator> i know what you mean, indeed
[04:54] <Devastator> no, it don't
[04:54] <Devastator> but has usb
[04:54] <Devastator> one 1.1 usb port :D
[04:54] <Devastator> very nice
[04:54] <_Techie_> dnag, then we coulda taken the whole cdrom drive outta the picture
[04:55] <_Techie_> brb
[05:01] <_Techie_> back
[05:02] <_Techie_> Devastator, when you checked your cd, did you just look at it for scratches or did you run the cd check thats ont he cd?
[05:02] <Devastator> cd checks, md5 check on the iso
[05:02] <Devastator> all covered
[05:03] <_Techie_> wow, you even did the md5 check, even i dotn do that
[05:03] <Devastator> i was trying to isolate the problem
[05:03] <Devastator> my first cd was bad
[05:03] <_Techie_> but then again, ive never come across such a problem on any of my machines
[05:04] <_Techie_> i would suggest just keep trying to install
[05:05] <Devastator> is it normal to take long to pass "storing language"?
[05:05] <_Techie_> im not sure
[05:07] <Devastator> all i want is a lightweight system :|
[05:09] <_Techie_> if you want a really lightweight system use the debian netinst disc and just download the things that you want
[05:09] <Devastator> my nic is pcmcia and isn't detect automatically
[05:09] <_Techie_> aah, thats a bitch
[05:10] <Devastator> yeah.. you know..
[05:11] <_Techie_> what year is this laptop?
[05:11] <Devastator> 2001 or so
[05:11] <_Techie_> odd, my 2000 mac laptop has built in ethernet and wireless
[05:12] <Devastator> remember that you live in a first world country
[05:12] <Devastator> not third :)
[05:12] <_Techie_> yes, this i know
[05:12] <Devastator> my 2001 laptop was probably manufactured in 1998
[05:12] <Devastator> lol
[05:13] <_Techie_> your from brazil?
[05:15] <_Techie_> welcome back sancas
[05:15] <Devastator> yes i am
[05:15] <sancas> hi
[05:18] <Xed> Anyone around?
[05:19] <_Techie_> no, were all sleeping and smoking pot
[05:19] <_Techie_> just kidding
[05:19] <_Techie_> yeah, we are here
[05:20] <Xed> Oh crap, guess you'd have no idea on how to solve my websites-dont-open-but-ping-works problem :/
[05:20] <Xed> Funny thing is it worked for just a few seconds
[05:20] <_Techie_> hrmm, sounds like it should be a simple fix but i cant think of what it is
[05:20] <Xed> and then it went down
[05:21] <_Techie_> might you have gone past your bandwidth allowance?
[05:21] <Xed> Nah, other OSes on the same machine work fine, and I'm chatting right now from another PC on the same router
[05:21] <_Techie_> kk, so that cancels out "a greater power"
[05:21] <Xed> lol
[05:22] <Xed> Anyways, whether I connect using WiFi or ethernet, it makes no difference
[05:22] <Xed> and this is a fresh install
[05:22] <_Techie_> have you checked your network settings?
[05:22] <_Techie_> make suer your gatways adress is correct
[05:22] <Xed> yeah it is right
[05:22] <_Techie_> are you able to reach sites by using their ip?
[05:23] <Xed> nope
[05:23] <Xed> but ping works both by IP and name
[05:23] <_Techie_> truly bizzare
[05:23] <_Techie_> that cancells out DNS and network blocking
[05:23] <_Techie_> i take it you only have one network connection up on this machine?
[05:24] <Xed> yeah
[05:24] <Xed> hmm wait something funny is going on
[05:24] <Xed> pings to anything other than google dont seem to work..
[05:24] <Xed> tried pinging aol and I get "packet filtered"
[05:25] <Xed> pinging microsoft and it's just stuck
[05:25] <Xed> stuck at "lb1.www.ms.akadns.net"
[05:25] <_Techie_> ms has been going shit lately
[05:25] <Xed> hmm ubuntu.com resolves and pings properly..
[05:26] <_Techie_> are you able to open the page at ubuntu .com?
[05:26] <Xed> still not able to open the website though
[05:26] <Xed> ^
[05:26] <_Techie_> excuse my language, but thats fucked up
[05:26] <Xed> Lol you took the words right out of my mouth
[05:27] <Xed> I had this on the release day thought it was a messed up install so I did a reformat and tried and its the same ..
[05:28] <_Techie_> karmic seems to be having alot of bugs
[05:28] <_Techie_> i suggest sticking with jaunty untill the .1 or .2 release of karmic
[05:30] <Xed> Yeah, I've heard that before.. always laughed it out, saying heck even the betas were pretty stable
[05:33] <_Techie_> brb, tea
[05:33] <_Techie_> back
[05:33] <Devastator> tea? you're probably from uk :P
[05:34] <_Techie_> NZ
[05:34] <Devastator> nice
[05:34] <_Techie_> +12 hours GMT
[05:34] <Xed> Yeah, thats another issue
[05:34] <Xed> karmic messes up my time
[05:34] <Xed> I choose GMT+12 but its like 12 hours ahead?
[05:35] <Xed> Can't change the time from the GUI, have to use the date command
[05:35] <_Techie_> make sure your bios clock is set correctly
[05:35] <_Techie_> and that karmic know what timezone your bios clock is set to
[05:35] <Xed> Yes and yes
[05:47] <_Techie_> ello knome
[05:47] <knome> morning
[05:51] <Xed> Another weird thing: the full install doesn't detect my nvidia card but the live CD does!
[05:52] <Xed> I mean, the live cd prompts "restricted drivers are available" but I don't get this in the full install...
[05:52] <_Techie_> bizzare, i would roll back to jaunty
[05:52] <_Techie_> welcome back bal
[05:52] <_Techie_> how goes the work on the puppy machine?
[05:53] <_Techie_> time for a quote - "Does light even EXIST when the refrigerator door is shut!?"
[05:53] <Xed> Yeah, this is way too off-putting. I think its time to give the green lizard a spin...
[05:53] <Balsaq> yo T
[05:53] <_Techie_> sup B dawg
[05:54] <knome> Xed, you should run 'jockey' after installation
[05:54]  * _Techie_ is gonna stop now, hes scaring himself
[05:54] <knome> Xed, it will tell if you really need any drivers
[05:54] <Balsaq> playin w pup and xubu
[05:54] <Xed> knome: but how come the live-cd doesn't need it?
[05:55] <_Techie_> Xed, the livecd is obviously running it fine
[05:55] <knome> Xed, live-cd and full installation try to use some drivers automagically
[05:55] <knome> Xed, do you mean that?
[05:55] <Xed> I mean the full install doesn't show the prompt at all, and it's definately not using the nVidia drivers..
[05:56] <knome> Xed, then run jockey
[05:56] <Xed> Okay, will do..
[05:56] <Xed> And any clues on the net issue?
[05:56] <knome> or applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[05:56] <knome> Xed, sorry can't follow that far. i have to go in minutes. i hope someone can help you
[05:56] <_Techie_> knome, he was reffering to the fact that the livecd was auto prompting him with jockey, yet his installed system wasnt auto prompting
[05:57] <_Techie_> ill take over if need be knome
[05:57] <knome> _Techie_, if you can, sure
[05:57] <knome> i have no idea why installation doesn't prompt..
[05:58] <Devastator> "storing language" -> 30 minutes or more and counting
[05:59] <knome> see you all later ->
[05:59] <_Techie_> ciao knome
[05:59] <Xed> -> Hardware Drivers .. nothing happens
[06:00] <Xed> "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[06:00] <Xed> okay I think I'll stop now before I flood this window with more issues :P
[06:01] <_Techie_> nah, dont worry this channel has seen worse
[06:01] <Devastator> like mine :|
[06:01] <_Techie_> no
[06:01] <_Techie_> im helping bal alot of the time
[06:02] <_Techie_> hes currently in a distro hopping phase
[06:03] <_Techie_> Xed, once again roll back to jaunty, that should solve 80% of your problems
[06:03] <Xed> I know.. but that's not a solution
[06:04] <_Techie_> yes it is
[06:04] <Devastator> _Techie_ you are the very first guy that recommends that, others say stick with 9.10 and wait for updates
[06:04] <_Techie_> Devastator, if you stick with karmic and wait for the updates, then during that time you left with a non working system
[06:05] <_Techie_> Xed, solution -   The method or process of solving a problem.
[06:06] <_Techie_> rolling back to jaunty fits the definition of a solution
[06:07] <Xed> Well I guess you can't argue with the definition :P
[06:08] <_Techie_> brb, booting windows
[06:10] <_Techie_> back
[06:11] <Xed> wb
[06:11] <Devastator> how come you change os without quitting?
[06:11] <_Techie_> ty Xed
[06:12] <_Techie_> im sneaks
[06:12] <_Techie_> sneaky*
[06:12] <_Techie_> btw Devastator your the first person to ask that
[06:13] <Xed> Well not many people have heard of BNCs ;)
[06:13] <Devastator> vmware i suppose
[06:13] <Devastator> oh, right
[06:13] <_Techie_> nice call Xed
[06:13] <Devastator> forgot that
[06:13] <_Techie_> i run 2
[06:13] <_Techie_> one one my own network and one in australia
[06:14] <_Techie_> and a 50 line buffer on each
[06:15] <_Techie_> if you ever want a bouncer i can set you up with an acc on my australian one
[06:17] <Xed> Oh, sweet. I'll call you on that one of these days..
[06:17] <Tesssa> anyone help me downloaded xubuntu 9.10 came to intall it got as far as 3of6 set the k/board clicked forward it jumped to 4of7 the partition manager but the was just a large white box uable to set the partition had to restart and reintall 9.04 any one any ideas
[06:17] <_Techie_> i got auto nickserv id, auto away on last client disconnect and auto name changer
[06:18] <Tesssa> excuse the typos
[06:18] <_Techie_> Tesssa, multiple users have had a problem with the partition manager not showing, unfortunately as of this time i am not sure if theres a fix or a workaround
[06:19] <_Techie_> have you tried partitioning using gparted and telling the install to uyse the pre existing partitions?
[06:19] <Tesssa> ah thank you Techie at least you answered me appreciated
[06:20] <Tesssa> i think i will wait untill the april release 2010 comes out
[06:21] <Balsaq> i xperienced that...it was because i hadn't done a few steps that occur 1st
[06:21] <Tesssa> even trying the upgrade route doesnt work
[06:21] <Tesssa> well when it jumps from 3of6 to 4of7 you cant do the steps inbetween
[06:22] <Tesssa> up to 3of6 the steps had been done
[06:23] <vadviktor> Tesssa: maybe you should try the alternative installer version
[06:23] <vadviktor> that has a command line graphic installer, and proven for me to be more stable
[06:23] <vadviktor> than the X version
[06:23] <Balsaq> when i was in gparted  the partiton option was not in bold print..so i clickd on everything else until i was litereally drwing the size of the partition...then after dividing them up the partition thing lit up
[06:24] <Devastator> _Techie_ i know one thing, i will have nightmares with ubuntu 9.10 alternate installer :P
[06:24] <Tesssa> thanks but no i will wait untill the 18month version comes out in april 2010
[06:25] <vadviktor> Tesssa: do as you please
[06:25] <Tesssa> will carryon using 9.04 i do love that
[06:25] <Tesssa> and thanks everyone for your suggestions
[06:26] <vadviktor> Your very welcome ^_^
[06:29] <Balsaq> the gparpted was poorly written in my mom tech opinion..it assumes you know something, which caused me problems, so i fixed it by clicking every possible option. then i noticed there was a rectangle in front of me, i had to click on the tabs on the sides of the rrectangle and "draw" the partition, but it never told me that was how it was done, stumbled on it by chance
[06:29] <Tesssa> looking on #ubuntu seems to be a lot of bugs in ubuntu 9.10
[06:30] <Balsaq> mom=non
[06:30] <Tesssa> any bye for now and once again thanks
[06:30] <_Techie_> cya Tesssa
[06:32] <Balsaq> hey _Techie_now that i have this pupyracer goin...i wanna dump the xp i threw in behind it, do you know how to toss an OS out after the fact?
[06:33] <Balsaq> cause mr gates is gonna boot me in 28 days anyhow
[06:33] <_Techie_> well, presuming that it doesnt rely on xp for anything, you could just remove and resize your partitions
[06:33] <justin_> Hello
[06:34] <_Techie_> hello justin_
[06:34] <Balsaq> whoah thats a presumptive statement alright maybe it is feeding on the xp....
[06:34] <Balsaq> if is is i cant see it happening
[06:34] <Balsaq> yo justin
[06:34] <_Techie_> Balsaq, delete the xp partition adn resize then run the grub installer
[06:35] <justin_> Hey everybody! I've been working on a Dell Inspiron 1720, and can't seem to get the webcam to work, the microphone does, but the webcam is a no-go.
[06:35] <justin_> I've searched the forums but not much has seemed to help - I have cheese installed and I'm running Xubuntu 9.10
[06:35] <_Techie_> *sigh* another karmic user
[06:36] <Xed> lol
[06:36] <_Techie_> pastebin the output of lsusb please
[06:37] <Xed> karmic certainly has earned some bad karma :D
[06:37] <_Techie_> "karmic has earnt some bad karma'c"
[06:37] <Sysi> working great for me :L
[06:37] <_Techie_> you must be one of the few Sysi
[06:37] <justin_> Bus 001 Deice 002: ID 05a9:2640 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. 0V2640 Webcam
[06:38] <Sysi> in two laptops :)
[06:38] <justin_> sorry, it wouldn't let be copy/paste
[06:38] <Devastator> ask me if installer is working ok :|
[06:38] <_Techie_> justin whats your username that your logged in as?
[06:38] <justin_> I'm logged into my own username - not root.
[06:39] <justin_> Justin is the username
[06:39] <_Techie_> with caps?
[06:39] <justin_> nope - all lowercase
[06:39] <_Techie_> lsusb >> /home/justin/Desktop/lsusb.txt
[06:41] <justin_> ok its written
[06:42] <_Techie_> now just slap that into pastebin
[06:44] <justin_> sure, just a minute
[06:44] <_Techie_> actually dont worry
[06:44] <justin_> ok
[06:45] <_Techie_> heres the driver you want to install, not sure if its in the repo's or not
[06:45] <_Techie_> http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
[06:46] <justin_> I've checked this and I know the Linux-UVC's have the driver in it but I havn't found them in the repositories - any idea's on how to install it on Xubuntu?
[06:47] <Devastator> you can try to download the .deb and dpkg -i it
[06:48] <justin_> ok - I'll try that - downloading the files now
[06:54] <_Techie_> ill be back
[06:55] <an0nmat1r> k _Techie_
[06:56] <justin_> ok
[06:56] <justin_> ok
[06:56] <an0nmat1r> !
[06:57] <_Techie_> back
[06:59] <justin_> Hey
[07:00] <an0nmat1r> did u ever leave _Techie_
[07:00] <justin_> almost done installing prerequisites to compile Linux-UVC drivers
[07:00] <_Techie_> !bnc | an0nmat1r
[07:01] <an0nmat1r> huh?
[07:01] <an0nmat1r> o o u on bnc
[07:01] <_Techie_> yeah, 2 to be precise
[07:01] <an0nmat1r> i menat the afk and back time was 1 min i guess
[07:02] <an0nmat1r> so i asked were u ever gone
[07:02] <_Techie_> yeah, i often go do chores around the house
[07:03] <Balsaq> i see yur busy...quick question sir _Techie_?
[07:03] <_Techie_> fire away first mate Balsaq
[07:04] <Balsaq> i deleted the partiton that xp was in, i now have puppy alone in ext3 at 3.5g...out of 10...do i just leave or am i supposed to leave an empty built partiton
[07:05] <_Techie_> i reccomend allocating that spare space to the puppy partition
[07:05] <Balsaq> ok make it all one big puppy
[07:06] <Balsaq> one big puppy partition correct
[07:15] <justin_> Ok so after fiddling with linux-uvc for a while - I found out the instructions for compiling it were dated, so does anybody know how to comile the latest Linux-UVC drivers?
[07:17] <justin_> compile*
[07:22] <Devastator> justin_ is there an INSTALL file?
[07:23] <justin_> yes
[07:24] <Devastator> nano INSTALL
[07:24] <Devastator> :P
[07:25] <justin_> lol well I have done that and I did the make install Makefile command it says but forgot at the top it says to do make all
[07:26] <justin_> so now it's performing the Make all command and its working
[07:26] <Devastator> :)
[07:26] <justin_> ha I was wondering why I kept getting errors1
[07:28] <justin_> Ok well it says, "make: *** [all] Error 2
[07:28] <justin_> "
[07:33] <Devastator> and the line above that?
[07:34] <justin_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/justin/Downloads/uvcvideo/v4l'
[07:35] <justin_> the directory exists if that's a concern
[07:38] <MaxFrames> hello
[07:38] <Devastator> justin_ i can't help you as i don't have a linux machine to reproduce your problem
[07:38] <Devastator> MaxFrames hello
[07:38] <justin_> Ok well I'll keep searching Google, thanks!
[07:39] <MaxFrames> I have disabled the users' list in the logon screen (9.10), but there is still a useless "logon" button which I have to click before I can type the credentials: do you know how to disable that button as well?
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[07:41] <MaxFrames> !!!!
[07:42] <_Techie_> MaxFrames, unfortunately i havent had any experience with the logon system of karmic
[07:44] <MaxFrames> I'm under the impression that Canonical is pushing to make *ubuntu the "linux for the rest of us" but I'm afraid they will end up disappointing pro users
[07:45] <_Techie_> they already have
[07:45] <MaxFrames> having a users' list displayed by default at logon removes 1/2 of the logon security in a public environment
[07:46] <_Techie_> and having a a recovery mode by default wipes clean any other security
[07:51] <Devastator> yep, because the user's list IS THE thing to get if you wanna hack into a linux system
[07:52] <Devastator> and they're giving it i suppose
[07:56] <_Techie_> Devastator, actually the thing you want is the recovery console, aka insta root
[07:59] <Devastator> _Techie_ are you in ubuntu channel?
[07:59] <_Techie_> yes
[07:59] <knome_work> hmm
[07:59] <Devastator> and laughing about sentences like this one? <sele_> i have a problem...
[08:00] <Devastator> problem and 9.10 in the same sentence :P
[08:00] <_Techie_> i should make a bot that counts the amount of times people start sentences using "i have a problem"
[08:00] <knome_work> Devastator: in the long run, it starts to be annoying if people just keep on saying they have a problem and not just tell it
[08:01] <Devastator> knome_work i know what you mean
[08:01] <knome_work> exactly
[08:01] <Devastator> i was making fun about latest ubuntu release
[08:01] <knome_work> _Techie_: hah, just write a few lines of perl and load it as a script ;)
[08:01] <Devastator> if you see the forums, lot's of "problem" topics
[08:02] <knome_work> Devastator: it's true that 9.10 is not as good as 9.04, atleast for xubuntu
[08:02] <Devastator> but lots of SOLVED as well
[08:02] <knome_work> sure
[08:02] <MaxFrames> imagine what the guys at NASA must have thought when apollo 13 called back from space
[08:02] <Devastator> people don't like to read
[08:02] <MaxFrames> "houston, we have a problem"
[08:02] <knome_work> 99% of the problems can be solved
[08:02] <knome_work> 95% of the problems are easy to solve
[08:03] <knome_work> 75% of the solutions are one-liners
[08:03] <Devastator> _Techie_ my guess is that this user's list imitates win xp logon :P
[08:03] <MaxFrames> it imitates vista logon more
[08:03] <knome_work> i personally don't really like the user list
[08:03] <_Techie_> whatever it imitates, its a horrible idea
[08:03] <Sysi> what all have against karmic?
[08:03] <knome_work> the new gdm is not as responsive as the old one
[08:03] <Devastator> knome_work me too
[08:04] <knome_work> Sysi: it's just not as good as jaunty was :)
[08:04] <Sysi> well, new gdm suck
[08:04] <MaxFrames> the user list can be cool for home users, but how about a clickable option to turn it off? :/
[08:04] <_Techie_> Sysi, we have alot against karmic, for one all of the problems ive been working on today are karmic related
[08:04] <knome_work> Sysi: also, the developers *cough* let some bugs slip in
[08:04] <MaxFrames> and in my case with the new gdm boot is actually slower than before
[08:04] <knome_work> MaxFrames: exactly.
[08:04] <Devastator> LOL! <Sysi> what all have against karmic?
[08:04] <Sysi> there are always problems when new version comes
[08:05] <knome_work> Sysi: karmic will still receive SRU's
[08:05] <knome_work> Sysi: of course. but with karmic, there are more of them
[08:05] <knome_work> the new gdm + stuff brought a lot of change in (x)ubuntu
[08:05] <MaxFrames> do you think that karmic was rushed up to keep in pace with win7 and snow leopard and/or with the .04/.10 schedule?
[08:05] <Devastator> is karmic compared to vista? :P soon to say
[08:05] <knome_work> people are always afraid of change
[08:05] <Sysi> actually i may switch to fedora or something because of new gdm..
[08:05] <knome_work> MaxFrames: no, ubuntu has a 6 month release cucle
[08:05] <knome_work> *cycle
[08:06] <knome_work> MaxFrames: so it was determined to be released when it was
[08:06] <MaxFrames> but perhaps 9.10 wasn't really ready yet?
[08:06] <knome_work> MaxFrames: it wasn't, i would have postponed
[08:06] <knome_work> MaxFrames: but it's hard to do that decision
[08:07] <Devastator> i'm still waiting for my installation to finish
[08:07] <knome_work> and once you go into that road, it's hard to stop postponing
[08:07] <MaxFrames> personally, I always had to spend a couple of days fixing things after any new version
[08:07] <knome_work> "just this one more feature..."
[08:07] <Sysi> it seems that i'm only one happy with karmic :/
[08:07] <knome_work> MaxFrames: the wise thing would be to wait a few *weeks* after the release
[08:08] <knome_work> MaxFrames: then the developers would have included all the most serious fixes/updates
[08:08] <knome_work> Sysi: i'm happy as well, but i don't go shouting about it like i did with jaunty.
[08:08] <knome_work> Sysi: also, a user who is on jaunty and has no problems... maybe (s)he shouldn't update just yet.
[08:09] <MaxFrames> well, let's see in a couple of weeks if that "use classic logon" option surfaces :P
[08:09] <_Techie_> i sure hope it does
[08:09] <knome_work> i doubt that
[08:09] <knome_work> but we can always wish for the best
[08:09] <_Techie_> and maybe theres a possibility to remove that damn ubuntu use from the livecd
[08:09] <_Techie_> user*
[08:09] <Devastator> why don't put a sticky in the forums saying DON'T UPGRADE JUST YET!
[08:09] <MaxFrames> knome_work: the thing is that I don't really *use* ubuntu; I just keep a test PC with the latest version in order to be able to help out users who do
[08:09] <Sysi> i don't want to go somehing ancient just for xdmcp :/
[08:10] <MaxFrames> so I have to anticipate problems and that's why I upgrade ASAP
[08:10] <Sysi> but i need older gdm
[08:10] <knome_work> the DX team isn't particularly ready to do changes based on user (or even community developer) opinions
[08:13] <knome_work> this was my personal opinion, and i'm not even saying it's a truth but that's how i feel
[08:14] <_Techie_> does anyone know how to disable the creating of the ubuntu user on the livecd?
[08:14] <_Techie_> its the only thing stopping me from converting my persistant usb from jaunty to karmic
[08:14] <knome_work> _Techie_: i suppose not.
[08:14] <knome_work> remove the user? :P
[08:14] <MaxFrames> bbl, time to backup
[08:15] <_Techie_> knome_work, its dynamically created every boot, ive renamed it changed the password... modified the home directory and it just recreates itself without a password making one of the most unsecure persistant USGB's ever
[08:15] <_Techie_> USB's*
[08:15] <knome_work> hmm
[08:15] <knome_work> i see
[08:15] <knome_work> maybe ask #ubuntu
[08:16] <knome_work> i suppose you have searched the forums already
[08:16] <_Techie_> not much use searching the forums, how many people need to change the livecd user?
[08:16] <knome_work> apparently > 0
[08:16] <knome_work> ;)
[08:16] <knome_work> anyway
[08:16] <knome_work> i'll split also
[08:16] <_Techie_> im one of the few people that likes to keep a full system in my pocket
[08:17] <knome_work> see you later
[08:17] <_Techie_> cya
[08:17] <knome_work> (you can always msg my main nick (knome))
[08:27] <Devastator> 30%
[08:33] <Devastator> can i talk offtopic here?
[08:35] <_Techie_> if anyone complains, then stop otherwise i dont care
[08:35] <SAngeli> Does anyone know how to make Bluetooth work on xubuntu? Do I have to install any particular package, like "sudo apt-get install bluez-utils"? or Not?
[08:35] <Devastator> i was talking about windows and linux differences and why windows is more "friendly" and easy to use
[08:36] <Devastator> i'm installing xubuntu and saw bind9-host beeing installed
[08:36] <Devastator> that's the perfect example, why the hell a end-user would want with bind?
[08:37] <Sysi> i don't get why windows would be easy, it's not at all
[08:37] <Devastator> Sysi "easy" i mean
[08:38] <_Techie_> Devastator, its not so much as why the end user would use bind, its nor of the fact that if they ever install something that needs it then its there
[08:38] <Sysi> xubuntu is plug&paly, most of time..
[08:38] <Devastator> to install an app, to install an device..
[08:38] <Sysi> *play
[08:39] <Devastator> _Techie_ got it, but why not to put only a "dll" of bind and not the hole program?
[08:39] <_Techie_> not sure
[08:39] <Devastator> that's what i was trying to say to the guy
[08:40] <Devastator> there's a lot of packages that you'll not use but is dependencie of one you'll
[08:40] <Sysi> well, how many endusers actually use xdmcp?
[08:41] <Devastator> x desktop manager?
[08:41] <Sysi> remote login
[08:41] <Devastator> really don't know..
[08:41] <Sysi> very easy and handy, in old gdm
[08:42] <Sysi> in karmic version, not
[08:43] <Devastator> lol
[08:43] <Devastator> karma koala
[08:44] <Sysi> finnish word for horrible starts with k
[08:44] <Sysi> "karmea" = horrible
[08:44] <Devastator> finnish = finland?
[08:45] <Sysi> yes
[08:45] <Devastator> karmea koala.. makes sense
[08:45] <Devastator> horrible koala
[08:45] <Devastator> i can't say it's but without using it
[08:46] <Devastator> i'm trying to install first :P
[08:46] <Devastator> but from installation you can have an idea
[08:47] <Devastator> first fight: installing
[08:48] <Devastator> second fight: get my ethernet pcmcia card recognized
[08:54] <SAngeli> Does anyone know how to make Bluetooth work on xubuntu? Do I have to install any particular package, like "sudo apt-get install bluez-utils"? or Not?
[08:55] <Devastator> SAngeli i'm installing xubuntu as we speak and i saw some bluetooth packages, is bluetooth properly detected?
[08:55] <SAngeli> doing lsusb I see the card.
[08:56] <SAngeli> what to do in order to get it working?
[08:56] <Devastator> maybe you have to load some module
[08:56] <Devastator> try googling bluetooth ubuntu
[08:57] <_Techie_> google is your friend
[08:58] <Devastator> i wish google was my girlfriend :S
[08:58] <SAngeli> I found this article: http://linuxchronicles.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/bluetooth-in-xubuntu-804/
[09:13] <Devastator> installing grub boot loader, is there much more after that?
[09:13] <Devastator> i'm feeling sleepy
[09:13] <_Techie_> nope, just some housekeeping
[09:14] <_Techie_> that laptop didnt happen to have a compatability mode or similar entry in the bios did it?
[09:14] <Devastator> nope
[09:14] <Devastator> too old
[09:14] <_Techie_> good, coz it makes it compatable with NOTHING
[09:15] <Devastator> how can i use root with ubuntu?
[09:15] <Devastator> i never set root password during install
[09:15] <_Techie_> wel
[09:15] <_Techie_> you can sudo -s
[09:15] <_Techie_> or you can do what everyone will ahte me for saying, create a password for the root user
[09:16] <_Techie_> or you could even sudo su
[09:16] <Devastator> sudo passwd root?
[09:16] <_Techie_> yep
[09:17] <Devastator> finishing installation :D
[09:17] <Devastator> never though i would see that
[09:17] <Devastator> saw
[09:17] <_Techie_> i know the feeling, i once had an xp install take 5+ hours dure to the fore mentioned "compatability" mode
[09:18] <_Techie_> on a 2.6ghz p4
[09:18] <Devastator> almost 20hours struggling with that
[09:19] <Devastator> compability is apic mode on and off :P
[09:20] <_Techie_> Devastator, you dont anything with disk encryption before?
[09:21] <Devastator> i guess not
[09:21] <_Techie_> what about you knome?
[09:21] <Devastator> _Techie_ no
[09:21] <knome_work> i tested encrypting a directory once
[09:21] <knome_work> what's the problem?
[09:21] <Devastator> _Techie_ a minor error: cryptoswap1 starting, then command failed
[09:22] <_Techie_> im seriously thinking about encrypting my live USB, as i use it at school to bypass security butat the moment my casper file can be mounted and perused by anyone with basic unix knowledge
[09:22] <knome_work> hmm
[09:23] <knome_work> "bypass security" sounds interesting :P
[09:23] <_Techie_> mainly tunneling
[09:23] <_Techie_> we have a very restrictive proxy and ontop of that we have an agressive external web filter
[09:24] <knome_work> a-ha
[09:24] <knome_work> that's how it usually is...
[09:24] <_Techie_> i proxy socks through a ssh2 connection, slap that inside http+ssl packets
[09:25] <knome_work> at least the proxy stuff
[09:25] <_Techie_> double encryption
[09:25] <knome_work> meh
[09:25] <knome_work> is there really *need* for that? :P
[09:25] <knome_work> is the real question
[09:25] <_Techie_> yeah, i use it to get to blocked sites and connect to IRC
[09:26] <knome_work> i mean the proxy stuff
[09:26] <_Techie_> you mean the proxy that the school uses?
[09:26] <knome_work> yeah
[09:26] <knome_work> and the web filters
[09:27] <knome_work> do they *really* make a difference, if you can bypass them anyway?
[09:27] <_Techie_> not really, the most they use it for is to controll web access to allowed students
[09:27] <knome_work> hmm
[09:27] <_Techie_> and the web filter is done by the ISP to block out pornography and the likes but it blocks almost everything
[09:27] <knome_work> lol
[09:28] <knome_work> at least anything the students want to look at
[09:28] <knome_work> ;)
[09:28] <_Techie_> yeah, facebook *cough* *cough*
[09:28] <knome_work> meh, facebook--
[09:28] <_Techie_> thats not me though
[09:28] <knome_work> yep
[09:28] <knome_work> well facebook should be legally banned
[09:28] <knome_work> ;)
[09:28] <_Techie_> well, not what i use my more secure tunnel for
[09:29] <_Techie_> if i want to simply browse i have a cgi proxy with ssl encryption
[09:29] <knome_work> yup
[09:29] <_Techie_> amazed some juniors today by loading up and playing runescape
[09:29] <knome_work> haha
[09:30]  * knome_work lols to runescape 
[09:31] <_Techie_> i figure im gonna leave behind a legacy
[09:31] <knome_work> lol
[09:31] <_Techie_> once im gone ill teach others
[09:31] <knome_work> okay ;)
[09:31] <_Techie_> for a small monetary gain offcourse
[09:32] <knome_work> at high school i only went to say to the IT teacher that i'd like to "attend" the courses
[09:32] <knome_work> he always said that he'll send me the homework straight and i shouldn't come filling up the computer places
[09:32] <knome_work> and he easily gave me the best grades :P
[09:33] <_Techie_> man, if my computing classes covered networking and hardware then id have the best grades
[09:33] <knome_work> ;)
[09:34] <knome_work> of cours
[09:34] <_Techie_> but unfortunately its just web and programming
[09:34] <knome_work> we had some programming... it was something super lousy
[09:34] <knome_work> web is wasy anyway :P
[09:35] <knome_work> s/wasy/easy/
[09:35] <knome_work> to much w :P
[09:35] <_Techie_> i made a perfect website, didnt submit any paperwork for it though
[09:35] <knome_work> hah
[09:35] <knome_work> paperwork as in?
[09:35] <knome_work> toilet paper?
[09:35] <knome_work> ;)
[09:35] <_Techie_> timelines and the like... needless to say i didnt pass that assesment
[09:35] <knome_work> lol
[09:36] <knome_work> why does one really need some kind of timeline for a website?
[09:36] <knome_work> i think i passed that task by showing my personal website and some other work i had done
[09:37] <knome_work> well it's hard for the teacher to not let me through as i knew more of anything than except maybe windows servers than him
[09:37] <_Techie_> windows servers is easy, at my school they have unprotected network shares
[09:37] <knome_work> he wasn't even really an IT teacher but a maths one or something
[09:38] <knome_work> well, i don't mean the basic stuff
[09:38] <_Techie_> i found the software that they use for monitoring the students, needless to say i made a "personal backup"
[09:38] <knome_work> but like configuring etc, because i've never worked with them
[09:38] <knome_work> aha :D
[09:39] <_Techie_> the only problem is that that technitian, monitors the traffic on that app
[09:39] <knome_work> :D
[09:39] <_Techie_> but he doesnt mind me bypassing the filters, he says go for it
[09:39] <knome_work> hah
[09:40] <knome_work> yay for the filters then
[09:40] <_Techie_> yeah
[09:40] <knome_work> they sound so useful
[09:40] <_Techie_> the other thing i do is i encourage gaming at school
[09:41] <knome_work> well i never really *went* that much to school
[09:41] <knome_work> i was there only when i *really* needed
[09:41] <_Techie_> i set up network servers for people to use, and since im the only student in the school that knows the admin logon... im the only one that can disable the firewalls as needed
[09:41] <knome_work> which was maybe 10-15 hours per week :P
[09:41] <_Techie_> my dad would kill me if i went that much
[09:41] <knome_work> that much meaning, he wants you to go less? :P
[09:42] <_Techie_> no, more
[09:42] <knome_work> haha
[09:42] <_Techie_> if i dont attend all my classes he gets pissed
[09:42] <knome_work> duh
[09:43] <_Techie_> you read much books?
[09:43] <knome_work> me? not really.
[09:43] <knome_work> i hack with computers
[09:43] <_Techie_> well theres this idea in a book that i read that inspired my latest trick
[09:43] <_Techie_> the idea in the book was streaming video over DNS
[09:44] <knome_work> >__<
[09:44] <knome_work> ohnoes
[09:44] <_Techie_> which was a BS idea to start with
[09:44] <_Techie_> for one DNS servers dont provide very fast connections
[09:44] <_Techie_> and two you would still be restriced by your download speed
[09:45] <_Techie_> but the thing i found out is that when alot of places restrict you from accessing the internet, they often just block requests for your connection but DNS will still resolve
[09:46] <knome_work> yup
[09:46] <_Techie_> so with the aid of a custom DNS server you can send your web traffic over DNS
[09:46] <_Techie_> bypassing the block
[09:46] <knome_work> :P
[09:47] <_Techie_> where do you work anyway?
[09:47] <knome_work> in my own company
[09:47] <_Techie_> doing?
[09:47] <knome_work> anything IT related
[09:47] <_Techie_> wicked
[09:47] <knome_work> ==
[09:49] <knome_work> you can do that if you want it much enough
[09:49] <knome_work> and can handle the tasks
[09:49] <_Techie_> yeah
[09:51] <knome_work> seems that the freenode webchat doesn't work as should in IE
[09:51] <knome_work> the scrolling doesn't work
[09:51] <_Techie_> odd
[09:51] <knome_work> when you change the channel tab and go back to other tab, you are not scrolled to the end
[09:51] <Devastator> _Techie_ where can i find pcmcia-cs for 9.10 karma? :P
[09:51] <knome_work> and pressing the end key doesn't help, because it only gives you n (5-10 maybe) rows of more scroll per press
[09:52] <_Techie_> no clue Devastator
[09:52] <knome_work> !info pcmcia-cs
[09:52] <knome_work> is that a package?
[09:52] <Devastator> yes
[09:52] <knome_work> The Linux pcmcia-cs package is officially deprecated. It can only be used with 2.4 and older kernels. Current information on PCMCIA support for recent 2.6 kernels is available here.
[09:52] <_Techie_> im gonna have to go to bed soon
[09:52] <knome_work> here = http://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/pcmcia.html
[09:53] <knome_work> i have to leave soon again
[09:53] <knome_work> maybe even right now
[09:53] <knome_work> see you later
[09:55] <_Techie_> anyway, i should go... seeya everyone
[10:04] <ConfusoFelice> Hi guys
[10:06] <ConfusoFelice> Can someone help me with a XFCE4 sound problem? It's not a real need but... why it should not work?! :)
[10:08] <ConfusoFelice> The question is: Why I can not hear nothing while playing gnome games?
[10:10] <ConfusoFelice> Sound works well in media players, dosbox games etc... but doesn't works for gnome games; As I said, I can survive without but I wonder why doesn't works.
[10:11] <MaxFrames> re
[10:11] <ConfusoFelice> hi :)
[10:11] <MaxFrames> and... "I have a problem" :P
[10:11] <ConfusoFelice> me too :)
[10:12] <ConfusoFelice> what yours? :)
[10:12] <MaxFrames> three HP net printers, all were working 100% with CUPS in 9.04; since I upgraded to karmic, one of the three refuses to print
[10:12] <MaxFrames> I reinstalled this printer to no avail
[10:13] <ConfusoFelice> MaxFrames: Sorry, I can't be useful; never faced printing matters :(
[10:13] <MaxFrames> googled => there are known problems with the latest CUPS shipping with karmic :(
[10:14] <ablomen> MaxFrames, they are jetdirect printers?
[10:14] <MaxFrames> yes, all jetdirect
[10:14] <ablomen> MaxFrames, did you try to telnet too the one that isnt working?
[10:15] <MaxFrames> we are in a windows environment here, so I can confirm that the printer is working correctly, it's just the xubuntu box which can't print to it
[10:15] <MaxFrames> users are printing to it while we speak
[10:16] <ablomen> MaxFrames, yeah but the ip its set too might be wrong?
[10:16] <MaxFrames> I have already tried all the available drivers: postscript, pcl and gutenprint
[10:16] <MaxFrames> nope, I have removed and reinstalled the printer, no problem to identify it and install it
[10:16] <ablomen> what printer is it?
[10:17] <MaxFrames> any document I send to it gets stuck in the queue and the status window says printing has been rescheduled
[10:17] <MaxFrames> it's a hp mfp 3027x
[10:17] <MaxFrames> multifunctional printer
[10:18] <MaxFrames> say I send a document now: the status window briefly display "printing in progress" and then "printing rescheduled for [now+5 minutes]" and it goes on and on
[10:21] <ablomen> hmm i have no idea really, maybe someone else knows but you might want to check the #ubuntu channel, a lot more people in there and cups etc are the same in the two versions
[10:23] <MaxFrames> yes... but I never managed to get an answer there, it's too busy
[10:26] <ConfusoFelice> no one faced problems with gnome apps sound in xfce? :(
[10:28] <ablomen> ConfusoFelice, if you run one of those games from the terminal, do you get any errors?
[10:32] <ConfusoFelice> ablomen: I didn't try it but it's a good suggestion thank you :)
[10:32] <mr_boo_ltp> my panel has gone down apparently
[10:33] <mr_boo_ltp> how do i start a shell now and what command starts it again?
[10:34] <MaxFrames> right click=>open shell here
[10:35] <mr_boo_ltp> MaxFrames: good lord how stupid i am
[10:35] <mr_boo_ltp> MaxFrames: many thanks
[10:35] <MaxFrames> np
[10:35] <ConfusoFelice> then xfce4-panel should restart it :)
[10:36] <mr_boo_ltp> ConfusoFelice: thanks buddy
[10:36] <ConfusoFelice> :)
[10:36] <mr_boo_ltp> should write that down
[10:37] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: I suggest you to restart your session saving session data or you could face up the same problem next time
[10:37] <mr_boo_ltp> good idea
[10:37] <mr_boo_ltp> in fact this has happened before
[10:38] <mr_boo_ltp> a shortcut in the right click menu for the panel could be an idea maybe
[10:38] <ConfusoFelice> why not?
[10:40] <mr_boo_ltp> i'm trying to run xubuntu on a laptop with staggering 256mb ram
[10:40] <mr_boo_ltp> its the biggest joke of all times
[10:40] <mr_boo_ltp> all computers need plenty of ram to be less slow
[10:41] <Sysi> i had xubuntu 8.04 with 256 and it was great
[10:41] <MaxFrames> if you are really starving on RAM, try puppylinux perhaps
[10:41] <Sysi> lubuntu or crunchbang
[10:41] <Sysi> run well with that
[10:42] <mr_boo_ltp> maybe i've got other performance issues besides ram then
[10:42] <mr_boo_ltp> if anyone has experienced a smooth performance on 256mb ram
[10:43] <mr_boo_ltp> this laptop is a swapaholic
[10:43] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: I've XUbuntu on a Compaq Armada m700 with 256Mb ram
[10:43] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: and it works great
[10:44] <Sysi> everything is slow if you're used to i7 :D
[10:45] <mr_boo_ltp> ConfusoFelice: hmm maybe i should check drive fragmentation and processor cooling
[10:45] <mr_boo_ltp> the processor can get overheated sometimes
[10:45] <mr_boo_ltp> the fan system is inadequate
[10:47] <MaxFrames> second time around that CUPS crashes to desktop (system-config-printer.py closed unexpectedly)
[10:47] <MaxFrames> never ever had a CTD with any version of ubuntu before
[10:48] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: maybe; of course it seems stuck compared to a dual core but I can work well with my hw... I'm used to watch dvds and play old dos games
[10:49] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: for development and office it's ideal
[10:49] <mr_boo_ltp> let me point out that i barely can watch youtube videos on this machine
[10:50] <mr_boo_ltp> that's most annoying
[10:50] <mr_boo_ltp> the laggy performance
[10:51] <mr_boo_ltp> wonder if it even has a built in graphics adapter
[10:51] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: Ok, I've speed problems with youtube... when I wish to watch something I try to close all other CPU consuming applications.
[10:52] <MaxFrames> can you confirm that CUPS in karmic is v1.4.1?
[10:53] <ConfusoFelice> but I can suggest you to add a system monitor widget to your panel; I often see that the main problem is the CPU usage, not ram; My laptop seldom uses swap...
[10:54] <ConfusoFelice> strangely 256Mb of ram seems to be much more than needed for me :o
[10:54] <mr_boo_ltp> ConfusoFelice: many thanks
[10:55] <ConfusoFelice> mr_boo_ltp: np, happy to be useful sometimes
[10:55] <knome_work> :)
[10:56] <mr_boo_ltp> wish i could be useful myself but i guess i'm no linux expert
[10:56] <knome_work> mr_boo_ltp: use, learn, do and one day you *will* be able to help and be useful
[10:56] <mr_boo_ltp> knome: makes sense
[10:57] <mr_boo_ltp> for now i'm sticking to ubuntu and xubuntu only
[10:57] <knome_work> yep.
[10:57] <knome_work> that's how i started working on open source projects
[10:57] <knome_work> in the end giving user support wasn't enough for me so i started helping with more and more stuff :P
[10:58] <ConfusoFelice> mr_bool_ltp: It's enough... Linux is Linux, no matters about distro :)
[10:58] <mr_boo_ltp> that's the hard part for linux and other operating systems as well
[10:58] <knome_work> ubuntu is easier than other distros on some things
[10:58] <mr_boo_ltp> what to do when you're helpless and dont know what to do
[10:58] <MaxFrames> anyway the error I am getting in the CUPS log is "unable to write print data: broken pipe" => does this ring a bell?
[10:59] <knome_work> mr_boo_ltp: http://open.knome.fi/2009/05/28/getting-support/ :)
[10:59] <ConfusoFelice> We are starting to become philosophers.... :D
[11:02] <knome_work> ConfusoFelice: that's part of it ;)
[11:03] <MaxFrames> :(
[11:04] <knome_work> MaxFrames: ?
[11:04] <knome_work> MaxFrames: have you read some printing tutorials?
[11:07] <MaxFrames> don't get me wrong, but I don't think I am the problem; I think CUPS is. I mean this printer was working with the previous version, and the other printers are still working.
[11:07] <MaxFrames> the :( was because it seems there is no solution
[11:08] <knome_work> MaxFrames: no, i didn't mean that. but the tutorials might have good insight on the cups error
[11:08] <knome_work> i personally don't know a thing about cups.
[11:08] <knome_work> i haven't had to play with linux printing
[11:08] <knome_work> MaxFrames: have you searched the internet for the error?
[11:08] <MaxFrames> I am right now
[11:08] <knome_work> and possibly your printer model?
[11:08] <knome_work> okay, that's always something you should do :)
[11:09] <MaxFrames> nothing specific to my printer, but someone suggests to use LPD instead of socket 9100; which I did - to no avail
[11:09] <knome_work> okay
[11:09] <MaxFrames> right now I am trying IPP as a last resort
[11:09] <knome_work> hmm
[11:10] <knome_work> again i have no idea what lpd or ipp is ;)
[11:10] <MaxFrames> printing protocols
[11:11] <knome_work> yeah, i could guess that
[11:20] <ConfusoFelice> Ok, I've to go now... goodbye guys :)
[11:20] <MaxFrames> well, at least with IPP it seems to work
[11:21] <knome_work> MaxFrames: great to hear you got it working
[11:21] <knome_work> is there any drawback with ipp?
[11:21] <MaxFrames> security, I guess
[11:21] <knome_work> okay
[11:21] <MaxFrames> but it's firewalled already
[11:21] <knome_work> well at least now you can troubleshoot cups and use ipp as fallback
[11:21] <knome_work> if you want to find out
[11:22] <knome_work> i think a great thing would be a place to post your findings
[11:22] <knome_work> you could eg. post stuff like "this didn't work but i already solved it like this"
[11:23] <knome_work> much of this information can't be found anywhere - people are not willing to search from irc logs
[11:59] <valus> hi there
[11:59] <valus> i m in trouble
[11:59] <valus> my xubuntu keep swapping without using all the memory
[12:00] <valus> it seems the charge is balanced between ram and swap
[12:00] <valus> and this is laggy
[12:00] <valus> how could i fix this ?
[12:15] <valus> anybody can help me ?
[12:16] <valus> is this because i m using vmware workstation or not ?
[12:17] <Sertse> was there ever a wallpaper of the lake and trees? I quite like it...
[12:33] <Sertse> hm
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Open Week begins in #ubuntu-classroom in 12 minutes
[14:49] <charding> Since updating to 9.04 from 8.10, I can't get my xfce to control my desktop. No icons appear on the desktop. I've read this may be a problem with nautilus taking over the desktop, but nautilus isn't running..
[14:49] <charding> I've noticied that the option "Allow xfce to manage the desktop" doesn't exist anymore in the Settings->Desktop window anymore....
[14:50] <|Logitech|> charding, do you have panels?
[14:54] <charding> yes
[14:54] <charlie-tca> charding: It was changed to : Settings -> Desktop -> Icons -> Appearance; Icon type; file/launcher icons
[14:55] <charding> charlie-tca: That is what it is set to
[14:55] <charding> Default Icons are 'Home', 'Filesystem'
[14:55] <charding> ticked I mean
[14:56] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[14:56] <charding> I guess 'xfdesktop' has to be running....
[14:56] <charlie-tca> When you logged in, did you select XFCE from the session box on the gdm screen?
[14:57] <charding> It always has been xfce when I log in, but I specifically choose that the next time...
[14:57] <charlie-tca> You have to specifically choose that after upgrading
[14:57] <charding> Ah I see
[14:58] <charding> To invoke xfdesktop?
[14:58] <charlie-tca> To get things working right
[14:58] <charding> I guess this is a filed bug?
[14:59] <|Logitech|> fresh install is the best way :)
[14:59] <charlie-tca> If you go look in your /home/USER/.dmrc file, your should see "Session=xfce"
[15:00] <charlie-tca> If you did not select the session, it won't be there, and xfce won't manage the desktop
[15:00] <charding> charlie-tca: yes, that's there
[15:00] <charlie-tca> right above it is [Desktop] ?
[15:00] <charding> charlie-tca: yes
[15:00] <charding> And there are two blank lines above [Desktop]
[15:00] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:01] <charlie-tca> and you have run the updates?
[15:01] <charding> I ran updates a while ago.. But I have updated over 2 months ago..
[15:01] <charding> By updating, I mean I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[15:02] <charding> And I have run updates to 9.04 since then
[15:02] <charlie-tca> and when did the icons disappear?
[15:02] <charding> After I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Open Week is starting now!
[15:04] <charlie-tca> I see. I don't know the answer now...
[15:04] <charlie-tca> I haven't been around for about 6 months
[15:05] <Tonno> hi to all
[15:05] <charding> Maybe I'll add xfdesktop to my startup applications and see what happens..
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Worth trying
[15:06] <charding> well from the commandline is fixes it
[15:08] <charlie-tca> Before upgrading from 9.04, you might want to backup and do a complete new installation of whatever the latest you want to use is?
[15:21] <Tonno> it is possible to install dockbarx or dockbar on the xcfe bar?
[15:39] <vinnl> Hmm, Dockbar looks nice
[15:39] <vinnl> And yes, you can remove a panel and then run Dockbar
[15:40] <vinnl> Oh wait
[15:41] <vinnl> Yes, you can add it but it will come with a performance cost
[15:41] <vinnl> If you install xfapplet and add that to the Xfce panel, then you can use that to add GNOME panel applets to the panel
[15:41] <vinnl> !xfapplet
[15:47] <vinnl> Hmm, having tried Dockbar, it looks like it does the same as Xfce's iconbox panel plugin, so you may want to try that
[15:53] <Tonno> i have it installed on gnome. but i can't add it on xfce :S
[15:54] <vinnl> Tonno, try right clicking some empty space on the panel, select "Add new item" and then select Iconbox (IIRC), that should give you the same functionality, and if you're not satisfied with that we'll look at adding dockbar :)
[15:58] <Tonno> ok.
[16:03] <Tonno> vinnl, i like the Iconbox :D
[16:04] <vinnl> Good :)
[16:04] <Tonno> for me is the same like the dockbar :P
[16:04] <vinnl> Great, cause it should run a lot faster ^.^
[16:04] <Tonno> but i have made a mistake.... xcfe dont use Nautilis
[16:05] <vinnl> Indeed
[16:05] <Tonno> and i put on the terminal 'sudo nautilus'
[16:05] <Tonno> :S
[16:05] <vinnl> You want to be careful with that :S
[16:05] <Tonno> now the desktop have the background of nautilus
[16:05] <Tonno> how do i shut it down :S :(
[16:05] <vinnl> Try "sudo killall nautilus"
[16:05] <Tonno> ok... one seg :)
[16:05] <vinnl> And perhaps you need to run "xfdesktop" after that
[16:06] <Tonno> woah! thanks man! :D
[16:07] <vinnl> You're welcome :)
[16:07] <Tonno> i almost have xcfe like win7 :D
[16:07] <vinnl> Haha
[16:07] <Tonno> thanks to u! jajaja
[16:17] <slow-motion> hi
[16:17] <Tonno> vinnl, it is possible to put a custom background on the xfce bar?
[16:17] <|Logitech|> hi
[16:17] <Tonno> hio
[16:18] <vinnl> Tonno, yes, I think that's in the same article I linked to yesterday
[16:18] <vinnl> Hi slow-motion :)
[16:18] <slow-motion> hi vinnl
[16:18] <Tonno> vinnl, ok.. i gonna check it out. later :)
[16:18] <vinnl> Later :)
[17:28] <karurs_> pardon me if this isn't the forum, but is anyone else having problems with sound on xubuntu karmic koala?
[17:28] <Sysi> yes, rather many have sound muted-problem
[17:29] <karurs_> would there be a fix along the way? from one source, the problem exists with pulseaudio...
[17:34] <Xubuntus> Hi people! Today I've got two ubuntus causing me headache. Anyone up for some helping? :)
[17:35] <Xubuntus> First I accidently hit CTRL+ALT+Backspace. It put me infront of the loginscreen. But I guess it's a shortcut for the "change user" or something.
[17:35] <Xubuntus> How do I see wich "sessions" are running? How do I get an overview and then change back?
[17:42] <Xubuntus> Anyone alive in here?
[17:42] <karurs_> just a sec ...
[17:42] <Xubuntus> Sure.
[17:43] <Sysi> irc's dead
[17:44] <Sysi> !ask
[17:44] <Sysi> the last sentence ^
[17:45] <Xubuntus> Sysi What?
[17:46] <Sysi> i don't know :P
[17:46] <karurs_> which version of ubuntu are you running? I'm unable to reproduce the behavior in karmic koala ...
[17:46] <Sysi> 1 jaunty 2 karmic
[17:46] <Xubuntus> On machine nr. 1 it's 8.04.
[17:47] <karurs_> maybe you've solved the problem? (hopefully)
[17:48] <Sysi> one guy here had a solution, google propably knows it..
[17:48] <Sysi> for sound being muted after boot
[17:50] <karurs_> could you let me know what the solution was?
[17:50] <Sysi> i don't remember
[17:50] <karurs_>  ---- link ---- ?
[17:50] <Sysi> i never reboot
[17:50] <|Logitech|> Sysi, i ave solution for sound :)
[17:51] <karurs_> i need to when i ferry my laptop back and forth from work (hibernate takes too long to restart from)
[17:51] <Sysi> i know, but didn't know if you wer online
[17:51] <|Logitech|> :)
[17:51] <karurs_> Hi Logitech!
[17:51] <|Logitech|> hi karurs_
[17:51] <Sysi> hibernate should be faster :o
[17:52] <karurs_> sound problem solution on karmic xubuntu?
[17:52] <|Logitech|> comment out line 372 in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[17:52] <|Logitech|> sudo mousepad /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[17:52] <karurs_> just a sec
[17:53] <|Logitech|> line 372 lok like this mute_and_zero_levels “$TARGET_CARD” || EXITSTATUS=1
[17:53] <|Logitech|> just add #
[17:53] <|Logitech|> # mute_and_zero_levels “$TARGET_CARD” || EXITSTATUS=1
[17:55] <Carnophage> hi all
[17:55] <|Logitech|> ji Carnophage
[17:55] <|Logitech|> hi*
[17:55] <|Logitech|> xD
[17:56] <karurs_> on restarting alsa-utils, i get a Shutting down ALSA...                                                        * warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1502: No soundcards found...'...
[17:56] <karurs_> something  still seems to be missing
[17:56] <|Logitech|> lol
[17:56] <|Logitech|> reboot pc
[17:57] <karurs_> Man!
[17:58] <Carnophage> hmmm fsck didn't stop system from booting, looks like I found a bug in 9.10
[17:59] <|Logitech|> report a bug :)
[17:59] <Carnophage> first I must try to reproduce it
[18:03] <Xubuntus> Any ideas on the "CTRL+ALT+Backspace" throwing me back to loginscreen?
[18:03] <|Logitech|> Xubuntus, and?
[18:03] <Xubuntus> Btw. I'm using Compiz and Emerald aswell.
[18:04] <Xubuntus> |Logitech|  Hu?
[18:04] <Xubuntus> I was in here some minutes ago and asked with details. Did you miss it? :P
[18:05] <|Logitech|> maybe :)
[18:05] <Xubuntus> |Logitech| Is that thing standard maybe?
[18:05] <|Logitech|> karurs, ?
[18:05] <Xubuntus> Is it supposed to do that?
[18:05] <Xubuntus> Does it logout the session I'm already in or is it still on somewhere?
[18:06] <Carnophage> |Logitech|: my problem with fsck isn't a bug, it's a feature, fsck shouldn't stop boot proces if it is not root partition...
[18:10] <karurs> logitech, just checking after reboot ... negative no sound, speaker icon grayed out, and no sound cards showing
[18:11] <karurs> I know that there's an Intel sound card on my laptop (which showed up before the reboot
[18:14] <Xubuntus> This was my problem:     201cKey sequence to kill the X server201d and enable 201cControl + Alt + Backspace201d.
[18:24] <Xubuntus> Now. Another problem. On both machines I have the annoying problem of not having any window-borders when I start up. Machine 1 is 8.04, machine two is 9.10 - both with compiz and emerald. How do I fix this?
[18:24] <|Logitech|> karurs, this work for me
[18:27] <|Logitech|> Xubuntus, Ctrl+F2 and type compiz --replace or try xfwm4
[18:27] <Sysi> emerald setted in compiz-settings?
[18:28] <Sysi> i never got compix to work with xfwm4
[18:34] <Xubuntus> |Logitech|  You mean Alt+F2 right? I do that everytime a log in, but that is the annoying point - having to redo it.
[18:34] <Sysi> oh well, i had always to do it twice :)
[18:35] <Sysi> saving session ftw
[18:37] <Xubuntus> ftw?
[18:38] <Xubuntus> What does that mean?
[18:38] <Sysi> For The Win
[18:38] <Xubuntus> I tried with xfwm4, but it seems that the "fun" thing of changing desktops and having a cube doesn't work then.
[18:39] <Mwa> k, what actually *IS* xubuntu? How's it different to normal Ubuntu?
[18:39] <Mwa> It doesn't say on the site.
[18:39] <Sysi> !xfce
[18:40] <Mwa> gracias
[18:40] <Sysi> only nice thing in compiz was window choosing options
[18:42] <philth_ka> hi .. I wanted to install gajim and got a complete pulse audio dependency. What can I do? Install it but deactivate thn?
[18:42] <little> Someone might want to add a mention of XFCE to the http://www.xubuntu.org/about page.
[18:43] <philth_ka> Pulse always plays tricks on me, e.g. muting my master after rebooting (so everytime I log in I have to change the controllers)
[18:44] <Mwa> little, indeed, and perhaps actually explain it's features? The whole site seems to just say "It's linux and we like updating it!", without anything helpful like "This is a lightweight version of linux what is good for netbooks due to lightweight"
[18:45] <little> Mwa: I think this could qualify as a documentation bug. I'll mention it in the documentation email list and see if anyone bites. (:
[18:45] <Sysi> xubuntu isn't very lighweight anymore :/
[18:45] <Penguino> Pulse makes Urban Terror so laggy
[18:45] <Penguino> Sysi: It's true :(
[18:45] <Mwa> Sysi it isn't? I won't install it then.
[18:46] <Penguino> I had to clean it up manually
[18:46] <Sysi> well no big difference to ubuntu
[18:46] <Penguino> Lol
[18:46] <Penguino> Indeed
[18:46] <philth_ka> Penguino, how did you do that?
[18:46] <Penguino> But I hate GNOME
[18:46] <Penguino> philth_ka: Uninstalling pulseaudio and a lot of useless apps like Gigolo
[18:46] <Sysi> gnome is useable, but xfce better
[18:47] <Sysi> kde is horrible
[18:47] <Penguino> Abiword and Gnumeric are useless, OpenOffice rocks
[18:47] <Penguino> Sysi: Yup, KDE is awful
[18:47] <philth_ka> Penguino, here pule is deinstalled, but gajim introduces a lot of dependencies (although it's only a cheap jabber client)
[18:47] <Penguino> Now i think XFCE is just an incomplete gnome
[18:47] <Penguino> *GNOME
[18:48] <Sysi> otherother way round, abiword rocks :)
[18:48] <Penguino> philth_ka: I use Pidgin
[18:48] <Sysi> -other
[18:48] <Penguino> I don't even use Clipman
[18:48] <philth_ka> Penguino, does it support encryption?
[18:48] <philth_ka> gpg
[18:48] <Penguino> philth_ka: Of course
[18:48] <Penguino> (though XD)
[18:48] <Sysi> sauna time →
[18:48] <Penguino> I think it does
[18:48] <philth_ka> xd?
[18:48] <Penguino> Sysi: Bye bye
[18:49] <Penguino> philth_ka: It's an emoticon, means lot of laughs
[18:49] <Penguino> Does anybody have a running Compiz?
[18:49] <philth_ka> ah ok, thought: Another package for encryption, pidgin-xd or something like that ;)
[18:49] <Penguino> Well, a working Compiz
[18:49] <Penguino> lol, no
[18:49] <Penguino> :D
[18:49] <Penguino> I want Compiz
[18:50] <Penguino> I like xfwm4 compositing but I don't know if it can make all that fade effects
[18:51] <Penguino> I have problems with the window decorations
[18:51] <Penguino> I DON'T want Emerald, it's horrible
[18:52] <Penguino> Maybe Metacity will do the work
[18:52] <Penguino> I'll try it with Metacity
[18:52] <Penguino> But how do you install Metacity themes under XFCE?
[18:53] <philth_ka> Penguino, did you have to install pidgin-encryption for gpg?
[18:53] <Penguino> I installed pidgin*
[18:53] <Penguino> So I think I did
[18:54] <Penguino> sudo apt-get install pidgin* installed a lot of things
[18:54] <Besogon> How do you change main menu in xfce 4.6? Are there included any tool in xfce 9.10?
[18:54] <philth_ka> Penguino, then you found it under "Plugins"?
[18:54] <Penguino> Oh, by the way, is there any way for enable regexp support on aptitude?
[18:54] <Penguino> philth_ka: Yes
[18:55] <Penguino> Oh my god, it's Penguino
[18:55] <Penguino> I mean, Pricey XD
[18:55] <Penguino> Besogon: What do you mean with change main menu?
[18:55] <Penguino> You want to edit menu entries, right?
[18:56] <Besogon> Penguino,  to change main menu (I missed "to" before "change")
[18:56] <Penguino> Oh
[18:57] <Penguino> Uh, but you mean that, right?
[18:57] <Penguino> Editing entries
[18:57] <Besogon> Aha!. alacarte or something like this
[18:57] <Penguino> Oh
[18:57] <Penguino> It's usually in Applications > Settings > Main Menu
[18:57] <philth_ka> Penguino, sorry for asking again ... are your sure: GnuPG?
[18:58] <Penguino> Lunch, be right back
[18:58] <philth_ka> Or this mozilla thing?
[18:58] <Penguino> philth_ka: Yup, GNUPG
[18:58] <Penguino> Brb
[18:58] <philth_ka> thx
[19:02] <Besogon> Penguino, ? alacarte works in xubuntu? I have installed ubuntu 9.04 and xfce-desktop package. So alacarte edits main menu for Gnome only.
[19:09] <vinnl> Besogon, no, Alacarte doesn't yet work with Xubuntu
[19:10] <Besogon> pity.
[19:12] <vinnl> Yeah, it is. At least it's planned for the future :)
[19:13] <mbrijun> hello, a xubuntu newbie here looking for some help on setting the right dpi
[19:14] <vinnl> !dpi
[19:14] <Besogon> vinnl, After long while when I will have retired
[19:14] <mbrijun> yes, got an old dell laptop, xfce works like a dream except that fonts are small
[19:15] <mbrijun> works out to be a bug, but a workaround only provided for kde
[19:15] <vinnl> Besogon, it's planned for April next year, which might end up in Xubuntu 10.04 and if not, at least in 10.10, so in a year
[19:15] <vinnl> mbrijun, where is that?
[19:15] <mbrijun> sure, let me dig out the link
[19:16] <mbrijun> vinnl, here is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/80940
[19:16] <mbrijun> the workaround is to hardcode -dpi 124 into the xserver startup script
[19:16] <mbrijun> the problem is i don't know which script to change
[19:18] <vinnl> mbrijun, which number is the post that has the workaround in it?
[19:18] <mbrijun> vinnl: 31
[19:22] <vinnl> mbrijun, hmm... I wouldn't really know how to apply the workaround, and I hope you're sure you experience that exact bug, but it looks like you want to edit /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[19:23] <mbrijun> vinnl, the symptoms match, including the xdpyinfo output. Let me see if I can find the file you are talking about, thanks
[19:30] <Tonno> vinnl, i dont know how to put the bar with a custom background :( i dont understand how to do it :(
[19:30] <vinnl> Tonno, hmm, let me see
[19:31] <Tonno> let me see if i understand, ill tell u what i did
[19:31] <Tonno> i did created a file on the home folder
[19:31] <Tonno> called....... brb
[19:32] <Tonno> gtkrc-2.0 ( i think)
[19:33] <Tonno> and then?
[19:33] <vinnl> Tonno, that filename has to start with a dot (.)
[19:33] <Tonno> yes i did put it like that
[19:34] <vinnl> OK
[19:34] <Tonno> then .png is on the home too, called '.panelbackground.png'
[19:35] <vinnl> OK, sounds good
[19:35] <Xubuntus> Does Xubuntu use Grub 2?
[19:35] <Tonno> but i have to write something on the .gtkrc-2.0 file. What I have to put there?
[19:35] <vinnl> Xubuntus, 9.10 does, yes
[19:35] <vinnl> Tonno, see the blog post
[19:36] <vinnl> Tonno, this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/307859/plain/
[19:36] <Xubuntus> Ok. Nice. Btw., how do you delete a whole section, or at least a whole line, using nano?
[19:38] <Tonno> ok... i think that i did it very good as the blog said. but i dont see the panel with the custom panel background vinnl
[19:39] <vinnl> Tonno, have you logged out and back in again?
[19:40] <Tonno> o no...... wait.....
[19:40] <Xubuntus> How do I switch out of nano - to the terminal - so that I can do some commands and then hit "fg"?
[19:40] <Tonno> i think that........... i did it :D
[19:41] <vinnl> \o/
[19:41] <vinnl> Xubuntus, press Ctrl+X
[19:42] <Tonno> thanks vinnl  :)
[19:43] <vinnl> ^.^
[19:43] <Xubuntus> vinnl  That would QUIT nano.
[19:43] <Xubuntus> I want to SWITCH.
[19:43] <vinnl> Xubuntus, ah
[19:43] <vinnl> Are you in a terminal window?
[19:43] <Xubuntus> Yepp.
[19:43] <vinnl> Then you could open another one :P
[19:43] <Xubuntus> And make the nano I use go under root?
[19:43] <Xubuntus> Really?
[19:44] <Xubuntus> There's a shortcut key. Which is it? I can't remember!
[19:44] <vinnl> Xubuntus, no through the menu
[19:45] <Xubuntus> Noop. Can't find it.
[19:46] <vinnl> Xubuntus, Applications->Accessories->Terminal?
[19:46] <Xubuntus> Ctrl-z it is.
[19:46] <Xubuntus> vinnl Are you playing jokes on me?
[19:47] <Xubuntus> Or trying... :)
 Are you in a terminal window?  [20:43] <Xubuntus> Yepp.
[19:47] <Penguino> :D
[19:48] <Penguino> Finch is awesome
[19:48] <vinnl> Xubuntus, a terminal *window*, not the console :P
[19:48] <vinnl> In any case, if you're on the console you can press Ctrl+Alt+F2 I suppose
[19:48] <Penguino> Huh
[19:50] <MaCe^> hey
[19:50] <MaCe^> i need some help
[19:50] <vinnl> !ask
[19:51] <vinnl> :)
[19:51] <MaCe^> How can i change the users name?
[19:51] <vinnl> Hmm, I think that can be some work
[19:51] <vinnl> Let me see what would be the easiest way
[19:51] <Tonno> vinnl, in changing.... i gonna use xubuntu for now on :) the only thing that i dont like a litler is the thundar because it dont have too much option like nautilus does.
[19:52] <mbrijun> vinnl, i am struggling to see what exactly i need to change in the /etc/gdm/Init/Default file to force the dpi of 124
[19:52] <vinnl> Tonno, well, you *can* use Nautilus. Not sure which options you miss
[19:52] <vinnl> mbrijun, yeah, well I wouldn't know either, unfortunately, I only saw that it should be the equivalent of the KDE file...
[19:53] <Tonno> vinnl, jejeje thundar look awesome with xfce anyway :)
[19:53] <Xubuntus> "To delete a line", I found it. CTRL-K.
[19:53] <Penguino> Nano?
[19:53] <vinnl> MaCe^, OK, I think the easiest thing to do (no guarantees that it will work flawlessly), is to first add a new user and then transfer all documents and settings from the old one there
[19:53] <vinnl> Xubuntus, good :)
[19:55] <Devastator> is there a way to know if pci=assign-busses is beeing executed?
[19:57] <Xubuntus> I have a huge problem. (It seems huge - at least until solved. :) )
[19:58] <vinnl> Xubuntus, what is it?
[19:59] <Devastator> nobody knows.. oh god..
[19:59] <Xubuntus> I have two harddrives. First HD had W2003Server and second HD has W2008Server. The first harddrive also had the bootlist created by W2008Server.
[20:00] <_Techie_> MaCe^, you still here?
[20:00] <mbrijun> vinnl, thanks for your help
[20:00] <Xubuntus> When I installed Xubuntu yesterday - on the first harddrive - the list went away and now new list is there. And I can't boot the W2008Server anymore!
[20:01] <vinnl> Hmm... Sounds like it didn't detect it, or something. Is it 9.10?
[20:01] <vinnl> _Techie_, ha, not anymore now :P
[20:01] <_Techie_> dangit, was gonna suggest he use modprobe, its easier
[20:01] <Xubuntus> I've messed with Grub 0.xx a year ago to get Gentoo working with windows. So I have some idea.
[20:01] <Xubuntus> Yepp. Xubuntu 9.10.
[20:01] <_Techie_> i mean usermod*
[20:01] <Xubuntus> :):)
[20:01] <Xubuntus> (Without sound though! Argh...)
[20:01] <vinnl> Xubuntus, perhaps a "sudo update-grub" can fix it
[20:03] <Xubuntus> The thing is. In BIOS I can change the bootorder of the harddrives. But when the computer tries to boot from the W2008Server it stops right at "Insert system... something" - just after BIOS post screen (at the same place it askes for cd if you put cd as first boot option).
[20:04] <Xubuntus> So, the question is:  Is it enough just changing in grubs "list" at the first harddrive?
[20:04] <Xubuntus> (I'm trying while writing. :) )
[20:06] <vinnl> Xubuntus, the second hard drive doesn't have a master boot record. If you add that to the first hard drive's (Grub), then you should be able to boot it. It might be that sudo update-grub will detect your other hard drive
[20:06] <vinnl> *and add it
[20:06] <vinnl> (Note that there may be some inaccuracies there, it's not my area of expertise)
[20:12] <Xubuntus> vinnl, I think you're right about the MBR. But is the update-grub a "Grub 2"-command or did you take it from knowledge about Grub 0.xx?
[20:12] <vinnl> Xubuntus, it's a grub 2 command :)
[20:13] <vinnl> It's equivalent to update-grub2
[20:13] <vinnl> So you can run that if you want to be sure :)
[20:13] <Xubuntus> :)
[20:14] <Devastator> does anybody has experience with pcmcia? :S
[20:14] <vinnl> ubottu, perhaps?
[20:14] <vinnl> !pcmcia
[20:14] <Xubuntus> Strange. According to the GNU Grub Wiki the last released GRUB was 1.97, the 25th of oct. But ubuntu states it uses Grub 2.
[20:15] <vinnl> Xubuntus, actually, "Grub 2" is the name of the project, that has its own version number, e.g. Grub 2 1.57 (probably not a real version number)
[20:15] <Devastator> vinnl is there a way to know if a boot parameter is being executed?
[20:15] <vinnl> Devastator, might be, I wouldn't know of it :(
[20:17] <vinnl> !info grub2
[20:19] <Xubuntus> Oh, nice! :)
[20:19] <Xubuntus> Didn't know the ubottu was that useful, hehe!
[20:20] <Xubuntus> Man, is it a lot of trouble getting to the MANUAL (for Grub 2) at Grubs homepage. I can't find it.
[20:21] <vinnl> I was recently Googling something on that, which turned this guide that helped me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[20:40] <Xubuntus> The update-grub didn't find W2008Server, as for what I can see so far.
[20:40] <vinnl> Hmm
[20:41] <Xubuntus> I reading, testing and learning the Grub 2 - it's very different from the first version.
[20:41] <vinnl> Is there something in the guide I linked to about adding other operating systems/hard drives? That might help
[20:41] <Xubuntus> Btw. Thanx for the link. GREAT help.
[20:41] <vinnl> Yes it is
[20:41] <Xubuntus> :)
[20:41] <vinnl> Yeah I thought so too :)
[21:24] <Xubuntus> Still working on the boot of the W2008Server. But theres anotherthing drawing my atention: The "fusion-icon" (synaptic) tells me there will be 259 mb to be installed!!!! For an icon!!
[21:24] <Xubuntus> That can't be right, can it?
[21:29] <vinnl> Xubuntus, ah, I had that too, let me look up the bugreport
[21:29] <vinnl> Ah, it's #416956
[21:30] <vinnl> Ehm, hello, ubottu? I said bug 416956
[21:30] <vinnl> *sigh* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fusion-icon/+bug/416956
[21:31] <vinnl> Xubuntus, anyway, the easiest workaround for this is installing compiz-gnome. Far from ideal, but better than installing compiz-kde
[21:41] <Penguino> Yes, Fusion installs compiz-kde
[21:42] <Penguino> Oh, that's a bug
[21:43] <vinnl> Yeah, someone should fix that ;-)
[21:45] <Penguino> They don't care about XFCE user, huh :P
[21:45] <Penguino> *users
[21:45] <Penguino> Nobody cares about us :(
[21:45] <vinnl> Yeah or are unaware
[21:45] <Penguino> Maybe
[21:58] <Xubuntus> I don't see how the HAVE to do such an enourmes dependency-saucage for JUST an icon! I should fit on a FLOPPY! :D
[21:58] <Xubuntus> (My WHOLE amiga SYSTEM fitted on three!)
[22:00] <Xubuntus> On this system (Machine 1 - 8.04) there is the compiz-gnome installed. Descriptions sais it's the window decorator FOR GNOME.
[22:00] <Xubuntus> Is it actually in use somehow or can I uninstall it in Synaptic?
[22:07] <C00LARR0w> to do full disk encryption i need to use the alternate cd for the install correct?
[22:34] <Devastator> yep.. time to try debian..
[22:35] <Penguino> I HATE Debian, Ubuntu rules
[22:35] <Devastator> oh yeah? so try to make my pcmcia ethernet card to work :P
[22:35] <Penguino> Heh :D
[22:36] <Penguino> But Debian doesn't detect my wireless card
[22:36] <Penguino> Ubuntu does
[22:43] <Devastator> i spent almost 2 days struggling with my pcmcia card :S
[22:43] <Devastator> getting tired
[23:01] <Xubuntus> Is it okay to uninstall the Window Decorator for GNOME in Synaptic?
[23:02] <Xubuntus> Any good links to Grub 2 setup with windows (and two harddrives)?
[23:04] <shooree> how do I get Nvidia Xserver to remember my powermizer settings and not revert to adaptive every reboot? I've tried running it with sudo and saving xconf.org that way, but to no effect apparently. any help greatly appreciated.
[23:06] <shooree> Xubuntus, there's a decent tutorial on dual booting here, but it's not GRUB2> http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm?page=6 . how big of a difference is it? I'd like to know since I'm thinking of going dual myself
[23:07] <shooree> I've never done it myself, but this seems pretty easy
[23:10] <Xubuntus> It was pretty easy with the old Grub.
[23:13] <shooree> but it's different now?
[23:13] <shooree> :/
[23:13] <Xubuntus> No, it's "very" different.
[23:13] <Xubuntus> I'll deal with it tomorrow.
[23:14] <Xubuntus> God night, folks!
[23:14] <shooree> night...
[23:50] <eaburns> hi
[23:51] <eaburns> I just upgraded to 9.10 and now the volume knob on my laptop isn't working, anyone have any suggestion for how I could fix this?