[01:19] <sbalneav> Evening al
[01:20] <HedgeMage> hi :)
[01:20] <sbalneav> Hey HedgeMage
[01:21] <HedgeMage> what's up, sbalneav ?
[01:22] <sbalneav> Got a bug to fix in LTSPFS, got a new piece of software to package, and more improvements for sabayon needed :)
[01:22] <sbalneav> busy busy buys
[01:22] <sbalneav> er
[01:22] <sbalneav> busy
[01:22] <HedgeMage> heh
[01:22] <HedgeMage> I know the feeling
[01:23] <sbalneav> HedgeMage: You're a motu, right?
[01:24] <HedgeMage> Nope.
[01:24] <HedgeMage> I haven't been terribly involved since I moved, and I'll be moving again in December.
[01:25]  * HedgeMage has almost no free time.
[01:26] <sbalneav> heh
[02:34] <mrpogi> i just got ltsp working. now how do i restrict a user from logging in from two client stations simultaneously?
[02:36] <sbalneav> mrpogi: Not sure, I don't think we've got anything in ltsp to stop that, but I'm checking the source code...
[02:37] <sbalneav> Ah, no, I think stgraber added that.
[02:37] <sbalneav> LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT = True
[02:38] <sbalneav> in your lts.conf file.
[02:45] <sbalneav> Whoops, sorry
[02:46] <sbalneav> LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True
[03:27] <mrpogi> sbalneav: thanks. by the way im just wondering why my lts.conf file is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc instead of /opt/ltsp/i386. i used xubuntu 9.04. just curious
[03:31] <sbalneav> The best place to put it in /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/
[03:31] <sbalneav> then you don't have to rebuild the chroot
[03:37] <mrpogi> yup i saw in your upstream where i'm supposed to find the file. which is why i'm wondering why it's not in /var/lib/tftpboot/..../i386/. so i googled and they pointed me to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc. anyways can i just copy the file from it's present location to /var/lib/.../i386 with no problems?
[03:38] <sbalneav> yeah, by default it's not there, since most things autoconfigure.
[03:38] <sbalneav> just copy it and reboot.
[03:40] <mrpogi> ok thanks
[05:57] <Ahmuck-Sr> nn
[10:11] <pangerankadal> is it fine to put 'ibus-daemon' in /etc/bash.bashrc?
[14:17] <Guest93934> Hi, I would like to create a multi-boot DVD of Ubuntu 9.10.
[14:17] <Guest93934> I got everything working (Ubuntu as base /, /kubuntu, /mythbuntu, /xubuntu) by just changing each initrd scripts/casper file to include the subdirectory.
[14:17] <Guest93934> But when I try to do the same with /edubuntu, the DVD start fails.
[14:17] <Guest93934> isolinux:   kernel /edubuntu/casper/vmlinuz     append  file=/cdrom/edubuntu/preseed/edubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/edubuntu/casper/initrd.lz --
[14:17] <Guest93934> The error message is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)" and it is suggested to append a correct root= boot option.
[14:17] <Guest93934> Does someone know what is needed to boot the Edubuntu 9.10 LiveDVD from a subdirectory?
[14:53] <sbalneav> Guest93934: No idea.
[14:53] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:55] <Guest93934> sbalneav: good morning and thanks. do you know someone who could know it? ;)
[14:55] <Guest93934> sbalneav: i tried for hours to get it to work but without luck
[14:56] <sbalneav> I have no idea.  Probably not many people in here.  You're kind of doing your own thing there, outside of the scope of what we deliver, and the person who used to roll our dvd images has now retired.
[14:56] <sbalneav> I'm supposed to take on the role, but I'm not up to speed yet.
[14:59] <Guest93934> sbalneav: ah, ok, thanks for the info, then I got lucky and not so lucky at the same time ;)
[15:01] <Guest93934> sbalneav: but because the new DVD is so big, do you know what packages (besides the edubuntu-desktop metapackage) are needed to change an Ubuntu destop to a hopefully full Edubuntu?
[15:04] <sbalneav> Well, if you look at the recommends for the edubuntu-desktop package, that will tell you
[15:04] <sbalneav> I won't bother to type them out here.
[15:08] <Guest93934> sbalneav: ok, then I will just forget that there is now an Edubuntu ISO available and do like I did last time with 9.04 ;)
[15:10] <Guest93934> sbalneav: edubuntu-desktop shows no dependency to LTSP, so it is already included and a LTSP server installable with just the dependencies of edubuntu-desktop?
[15:25] <sbalneav> I beleive if you press f4 on bootup of the dvd, you get the option to install ltsp-server.  I veleive it's implemented as a tasksel.
[15:33] <Guest93934> you're right. but I think without the proper knowledge I will wait for 10.04 to build a Edubuntu with more features.
[16:20] <jbicha> alkisg: this sounds like an interesting idea https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat and http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
[16:21] <alkisg> jbicha: I tried that 2 years ago, it's rather unstable, but when it works, it's much, much faster than ltsp
[16:21] <Ahmuck> alkisg: ?
[16:21] <alkisg> jbicha: and also the karmic gdm dropped multiseat support, so I guess it'll take some time for multiseat to be production ready
[16:22] <alkisg> ...and there's also the problem with finding compatible hardware...
[16:22] <jbicha> oh, so it's kinda complicated then?
[16:22] <Ahmuck> alkisg: i'm late to the conversation.
[16:22] <Ahmuck> what did you try?
[16:22] <jbicha> jbicha: alkisg: this sounds like an interesting idea https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat and http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
[16:27] <jbicha> alkisg: thanks for your feedback, it's probably not much cheaper for schools and such and most computer graphics cards only support one monitor, right?
[16:28] <alkisg> jbicha: theoretically, you could put 2 sli cards and have 4 seats
[16:28] <sbalneav> multiseat's been around for quite some time.
[16:28] <alkisg> jbicha: but that setup is mostly used for gamers, so it's expensive... :(
[16:29] <jbicha> sbalneav: yeah, there's a lot I've never heard of...I had never personally tried LTSP until last weekend
[16:29] <alkisg> There are some companies which sell such "labs" with multiseat computers
[16:29] <sbalneav> It's an interesting idea, but the problem is, with ltsp, you're limited by the length of a network cable
[16:29] <sbalneav> with multiseat, you're limited by the length of a video cable.
[16:30] <sbalneav> yeah, some people were really pushing LTSP to support multiseat.
[16:30] <sbalneav> "Why don't you guys add..."
[16:30] <alkisg> The good thing with multiseat is that you have 3d acceleration etc, so you can run any app.
[16:30] <sbalneav> the idea being that you'd only need 1 thin client for 4 people.
[16:30] <sbalneav> As usual, our response was: "we greatfully accept patches" :)
[16:32] <sbalneav> In principle, it's a fine idea.  Especiialy for someone with a home office.  Nice way to add another seat for the kids.
[16:33] <sbalneav> problem is, all linux development these days seems to be going the "Ein CPU, Ein Keyboard, Ein mouse, Ein user" philosophy.
[16:33] <sbalneav> it's hard enough within the ltsp communty to remind people like gnome and kde that "hey, there may be more than one user per machine"
[16:33] <sbalneav> Flash is a symptom of this.
[16:34] <sbalneav> it's an application with the "one user sitting at a powerful full desktop" philosophy.
[16:34] <Ahmuck> actually i'm interested in multi-seat
[16:34] <Ahmuck> i've been looking at alternatives to ltsp
[16:34] <Ahmuck> i can't quite get ltsp to work like i'd like to
[16:34] <sbalneav> Yeah?  What doesn't work the way you want?
[16:36] <Ahmuck> in 9.04, sound was non-existant after about 7 min
[16:36] <Ahmuck> in 9.10, firefox is locking up hard
[16:37] <sbalneav> You were going to test and see if it was flash causing the problem
[16:37] <sbalneav> was it?
[16:37] <sbalneav> Have you enabled NBD_SWAP?
[16:37] <Ahmuck> i've not tested yet
[16:37] <Ahmuck> iirc, i have
[16:37] <Ahmuck> i've considered using the local hard drive for swap
[16:37] <sbalneav> that works too.
[16:38] <sbalneav> I don't know your setup.  Could be a video card problem.  Could be a flash problem
[16:39] <sbalneav> From the "multiseat X" ubuntu page:
[16:39] <sbalneav> "In theory, there are several different ways to achieve multi-seat; in practice there are very few approaches which are both simple and stable."
[16:40] <sbalneav> So, if you'd like, you could develop a way to do it that's simple and stable :)
[16:41] <alkisg> For non-developers, I don't think multiseat is workable right now (for production that is - for testing it's doable)
[16:42] <jbicha> I have two college classes I registered for that start Sunday towards a Bachelor's in Computer & Information Science but I'm considering dropping them...
[16:42] <jbicha> college seems a bunch of busywork that I don't have time for, especially with my job
[16:42] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: I would say your BEST bet would be to work with me and/or other LTSP developers to find out why your firefox is having trouble, but feel free to head off in another direction...
[16:46] <alkisg> Are you guys able to see that? http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/teachers/offbyheart/video/luke_wright_daffodils.shtml
[16:46] <alkisg> For me it says "not available in your area..."
[16:47] <jbicha> alkisg: yeah, not available here either
[16:47] <jbicha> find a UK proxy :-)
[16:47] <alkisg> Urm I guess it's only available ... yeah :-/
[16:48] <sbalneav> I can see it.
[16:48] <sbalneav> But I'm from Canada, and a member of the Commonwealth.
[16:48] <sbalneav> Membership has it's priviledges.
[16:48] <sbalneav> :)
[16:48] <alkisg> OK, so it's either UK or Canada proxy :D
[16:49] <sbalneav> heh
[16:49] <jbicha> oh, psiphon is an awesome Canadian proxy
[16:51] <jbicha> but the embedded video doesn't work in it
[16:53] <alkisg> Got it ;)
[18:11] <Ahmuck> ok, back
[18:12] <Ahmuck> iirc, there was an edubuntu meeting in which Mark for kdeedu was using multi-seat on large platforms
[18:12] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Ping me if you'd like help with your firefox problem.
[18:12] <Ahmuck> btw, alkisg, i can see it
[18:12] <Ahmuck> use noscript
[18:13] <alkisg> To disable javascript? ty, I'll try...
[18:13] <Ahmuck> i can access anything from that site.  i'm US bound
[18:13] <Ahmuck> i've got noscript & yesscript
[18:13] <Ahmuck> works great
[18:14] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: i'd love to get a very stable, and usable ltsp installation
[18:14] <alkisg> Ahmuck: and without noscript, you get "not available in your area"?
[18:14] <Ahmuck> i'm going to have to do it in steps over a couple of weeks
[18:14] <Ahmuck> alkisg: nope
[18:14] <alkisg> Ahmuck: then it just allows US to view the content..
[18:14] <alkisg> I'm not in the US, so I can't see it.
[18:15] <Ahmuck> alkisg: nm
[18:15] <Ahmuck> noscript was blocking the video portion of it
[18:15] <Ahmuck> so i wasn't seeing the video window
[18:15] <Ahmuck> and now it does say "not available in my area"
[18:15] <alkisg> Heh
[18:16] <Ahmuck> though the poems are available in pdf form
[18:18] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: I have a very stable and usable LTSP installation.
[18:18] <sbalneav> But you sometimes have to do some debugging.
[18:20] <sbalneav> Remember, LTSP relies on a lot of different packages.  And excercies parts of those packages that don't normally get excercied on a single desktop box.
[18:20] <sbalneav> Did you do any testing of 9.10 before it came out?
[18:22] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: I'm on my lunchhour now.  If you'd like some help, now would be the time to work on it.
[18:26] <Ahmuck> r u CST ?
[18:26] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: unfortunately, i'm unable to today, i've got a publication deadline i'm trying to meet
[18:27] <sbalneav> CST yes.