[08:33] <Rohirrim> Can anyone submit a wallpaper? I want to contribute.
[08:38] <thorwil> Rohirrim: well, you can join http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork
[08:38] <Rohirrim> okay, Thanks.
[08:40] <thorwil> Rohirrim: for the release that just happened, about 20 wallpapers have been selected from that pool. note that the default wallpaper comes from Canonical. it will very likely be the same process for next release
[08:40] <Rohirrim> okay.
[08:42] <thorwil> Rohirrim: also have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds
[08:42] <Rohirrim> Was doing that now.
[08:49] <thorwil> kwwii: flickr group still has "In our next release, the Karmic Koala (Ubuntu 9.10)" ;)
[09:03] <mac_v> kwwii: what is the name of the package you'll be adding ? [the one that contains the shortlisted wallpapers?]
[09:04] <mac_v> those not in the default install*
[09:16] <mac_v> thorwil: are we going to use the same method[flicker wallpapers] for 10.04 too?
[09:18] <thorwil> mac_v: i wrote the section about wallpapers on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid and so far no one objected ;)
[09:19]  * thorwil imagined flickering wallpapers for a moment
[09:19] <mac_v> ;)
[09:59] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that
[09:59] <kwwii> thorwil: just packaged the extra wallpapers last night ;)
[10:00] <kwwii> desktop-backgrounds-extra
[10:00] <kwwii> mac_v: ^
[10:00] <kwwii> lp:~desktop-backgrounds-extra
[10:01] <kwwii> need to file a sponsoring bug to get that in universe
[10:06] <thorwil> bloody %&$&! with karmic's inkscape, prevent-gradient-sharing is always on, ignoring the checkbox
[10:07] <kwwii> to be honest, karmic is probably one of the worst linux distros I have used in years
[10:07] <kwwii> it has messed up both of my systems
[10:07] <zniavre> ho?
[10:07] <kwwii> do *not* upgrade, it will only break things
[10:08] <kwwii> and a clean install still has many more X problems than jaunty
[10:08] <zniavre> i was lucky guy
[10:08] <kwwii> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/
[10:09] <thorwil> so this issue driving me nuts ia already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/437926
[10:10] <mac_v> kwwii: hmm , so lucid is not going to use flickr?
[10:11] <kwwii> mac_v: ?
[10:11] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, hopefully it will...I just haven't started it yet
[10:11] <mac_v> kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that ---> i thought this meant 'no' :)
[10:11] <kwwii> thorwil: not sure I understand where you see that
[10:12] <mac_v> kwwii: ah , ok , so what happens to the wallpapers from 9.10? when user upgrades to 10.04?
[10:13] <mac_v> suggestion move the wallpapers for 10.04 to -> ~desktop-backgrounds-9.10
[10:13] <thorwil> what?
[10:13] <thorwil> mac_v: what meant no
[10:13] <thorwil> kwwii: where do i see what?
[10:13] <kwwii> thorwil: it seems to work fine here
[10:14] <kwwii> mac_v: not sure about that yet
[10:14] <mac_v> thorwil: i thought when kwwii said "kwwii> thorwil: yeah, need to change that" , that it meant the wiki needs to be changed regarding the flikcr
[10:14] <kwwii> mac_v: I need to update the flickr page to represent the fact that we are working on lucid now
[10:15] <mac_v> ah  , you meant that change :) nice got it ;)
[10:15] <thorwil> kwwii: create rectangle, use gradient fill. copy rectangle. here i always get a new gradient with a number appended
[10:16] <kwwii> thorwil: ahhh, right...now I get it
[10:17] <kwwii> that is pretty funky
[10:17] <kwwii> I usually build inkscape from source as well
[10:17] <kwwii> but I really wish the inkscape nightly ppa was back online
[10:17] <thorwil> i already build all my audio stuff from source. and synfig. if i add more, i could switch back to gentoo ;)
[10:18] <zniavre> haha
[10:18] <thorwil> at least none of those 9.10 X issues hit me
[10:19] <darkmatter> does gentoo still suck? xD
[10:20] <thorwil> actually it would be http://www.funtoo.org/. Daniel Robbins is back. portage tree in git, how's that for geekiness? ;)
[10:22] <darkmatter> I was thinking more along the lines of 'lawl wut?'
[10:23] <darkmatter> the 'lawl wut' being in reference to funtoo/gentoo/omgimdelusionaltoo being geeky :P
[10:26]  * thorwil smuggles a tribble into darkmatter's basement
[10:27] <darkmatter> tribble are tasty. just be sure to save them before roasting. I forgot to one.... phew... what a stench
[10:27] <darkmatter> once*
[11:30] <thorwil> hmm, what do i have to do to get a fill in sliders like with clearlooks, but starting from the Human theme?
[11:59] <thorwil> actually, current Human has it, but my customized version doesn't
[12:00] <kwwii> there is a scrollbar colorize option at the top
[12:01] <kwwii> which will use the selection color
[12:01] <kwwii> and down below there is another part to make it grey like it currently is in karmic
[12:12] <thorwil> kwwii: does that affect both scrollbars and scales?
[12:13] <thorwil> kwwii: i want that for scale, not scrollbars. already replaced scrollbars with a pixmap solution
[12:16] <thorwil> sheesh, used meld and saw no differences that should have an effect here. gtkrc stinks
[12:16] <mac_v> thorwil: scale and scrollbars are done separately , if you used pixmap , its not possible to colorize it , unless the pixmap for the prelight is done brighter
[12:17] <thorwil> mac_v: i don't see any difference regarding scale in my gtkrc and the Human gtkrc, yet Human has a brown fill and mine doesn't
[12:17] <kwwii> scale?
[12:17] <mac_v> thorwil: could you pastbin the gtkrc :)
[12:18] <mac_v> thorwil: human scale uses the murrine engine , hence the brown fill
[12:19] <thorwil> mac_v: so does mine
[12:20] <mac_v> thorwil: then you might have changed the "default" and defines mentioned there
[12:20] <thorwil> ah, sorry for the noise, i just fixed it
[12:20] <mac_v> ;)
[12:20] <thorwil> "GtkScale       ::trough-side-details  = 1" was missing
[12:21] <thorwil> i mean, that name clearly says it's about that fill to one side of the scale ;)
[12:22] <mac_v> thorwil: cooking up a new theme? light or dark one?
[12:23] <thorwil> light
[12:23] <mac_v> :)
[12:24]  * mac_v likes darker themes and almost completed one ;)
[12:24] <mac_v> s/completed/completing
[12:26] <thorwil> http://imagebin.org/70283
[12:27] <kwwii> thorwil: I think that one thing that is going to come up at UDS is getting the community more invovled in the wallpapers (new team, old ideas :p)
[12:30] <thorwil> kwwii: i think if you want to get past the status quo, you need significant additional effort
[12:31] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I get the feeling we are going to have to explain the problems (again)
[12:32] <thorwil> kwwii: maybe it will become clearer if explained with a hard german accent ^^
[12:32] <kwwii> lol :p
[12:56]  * kwwii wanders off to get lunch
[13:14] <darkmatter> thorwil: a man after my own heart (scrollbars that attempt to blend with the window contents) :)
[13:16] <darkmatter> looks pretty good
[13:33] <thorwil> ty
[13:33] <thorwil> this is some brutal hardcore: http://www.blendernation.com/bearubs-video/
[13:48] <mac_v> anyone happen to know the class of the evolution mail list?
[14:13] <mac_v> !test
[15:56]  * kwwii heads out to the doctor, be back in about an hour
[19:38] <zniavre> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity     try to find the "next page" button
[19:39] <zniavre> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity?page=2   > cause it exists ...   :o)