[00:00] <dragon> mrand: is there a way to escalate this bug?
[00:00] <dragon> mrand: or can I submit/vote on a package request somewhere?
[00:04] <hggdh> dragon: the debian bug states why it went to wontfix
[00:04] <hggdh> pdflib was/is proprietary
[00:07] <dragon> Also, webmin is apparently not supported by Ubuntu, whereas ebox is. I tried ebox last night and it totally messed up my config files upon taking control of them - not the Ubuntu way of handling things.
[00:07] <dragon> webmin sounds more promising than ebox.
[00:07] <dragon> Is there a way to request packages?
[00:08] <joaopinto> dragon, if you have found bugs with ebox, and because it is already packaged, you should file bug reports about it
[00:09] <dragon> joaopinto: If it leaves its footprints upon apt-get purge, is that a bug?
[00:09] <joaopinto> define footprints
[00:10] <hggdh> dragon: yes. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[00:10] <dragon> joaopinto: modifications to config files under /etc and to /etc/init.d/ hooks
[00:10] <joaopinto> if you mean changes to configuration which is not installed by the package itself, that maybe a bug or not, it depends wether those changes are required to be reverted or not
[00:11] <hggdh> and if it is possible to revert them
[00:11] <hggdh> keep in mind that the configuration files might have changed between installing and uninstalling ebox
[00:12] <dragon> joaopinto: While testing ebox, it asked for permission to take care of some /etc/init.d hooks, config files like /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf etc. Those files were modified irreversibly.
[00:12] <joaopinto> dragon, the purge is not expected to remove changes resulting from using the application, it is expect to purge configurations from the package
[00:12] <hggdh> I would say a bug is warranted, at least to have ebox save the original configurations
[00:13] <hggdh> but, as joaopinto points out, this is the extent for the bug
[00:14] <joaopinto> if those changes are done during the install, it could be classified as a bug, since it's an irreversible install, if they are done as part of some ebox operation, I am not sure it is
[00:15] <dragon> joaopinto: I agree. I believe this was the reason why Ubuntu maintainers stopped supporting webmin at one point. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebMin
[00:15] <joaopinto> vi is a powerful admin tool, purging it will not fix the changes you have done with it to your /etc files :P
[00:16] <dragon> joaopinto: I disagree here, since vi doesn't modify the files itself on an ongoing basis.
[00:16] <micahg> webmin works fine on Jaunty
[00:16] <joaopinto> dragon, sure it does, it's ongoing basis is "edit files"
[00:16] <joaopinto> ebox ongoin basis is "change system configuration files"
[00:17] <joaopinto> and now i need to sleep :P
[00:17] <dragon> joaopinto: ebox doesn't give you the control over the modifications that vi does. Hit "yes" once and it'll irreversibly screw your config.
[00:18] <dragon> any way, I'm filing a bug for it.
[00:18] <sectech> ...vi is the same as a text editor...essentially...   I have no idea what the hell ebox is.
[00:18] <dragon> !info ebox
[00:18] <ubot4> dragon: ebox (source: ebox): common library used by eBox platform modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.5-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 453 kB, installed size 3208 kB
[00:19] <sectech> very descriptive.
[00:19] <micahg> wow, 1.3.5, last time I looked it was at .12
[00:19] <dragon> !ebox-network
[00:19] <ubot4> Factoid 'ebox-network' not found
[00:19] <dragon> !info ebox-network
[00:19] <ubot4> dragon: ebox-network (source: ebox-network): eBox - Network Configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.5-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 111 kB, installed size 1072 kB
[00:19] <dragon> doesn't help
[00:20] <dragon> sectech: it's provides a web interface to manage the system
[00:20] <sectech> ahhh ok...
[00:20] <dragon> !find ebox
[00:20] <ubot4> dragon: Found: ebox, ebox-ca, ebox-dhcp, ebox-dns, ebox-firewall (and 13 others)
[00:20] <dragon> sectech: each of these is a module to manage a part of the system
[00:21] <sectech> I just flipped to this channel chat... and noticed that you guys were comparing a text editor to it...
[00:21] <sectech> for some strange reason....
[00:21] <dragon> sectech: joaopinto was comparing it, and I was explaining why that was wrong.
[00:21] <sectech> ahh... fair enough
[00:22] <sectech> lol.
[00:22] <dragon> :)
[00:25] <sectech> webmin is still my favorite...
[00:25] <dragon> sectech: how does it applies changes to the config files? takes backup in advance?
[00:26] <dragon> sectech: Web interface is better than ebox, I noticed that.
[00:26] <sectech> ... haven't a clue... I doubt it takes back ups first... I just know it's very modular and very easy to configure.
[00:26] <sectech> It's one of the first packages that gets thrown on my systems....
[00:26] <dragon> sectech: read on ubuntu wiki that they stopped supporting webmin on linux because of the way it played with config files. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebMin
[00:27] <dragon> s/read/I read/
[00:27] <dragon> sounded ambiguous
[00:28] <sectech> Ahh.... yeah... webmin isn't really the Ubuntu way... I don't need to read the page to understand why...
[00:28] <sectech> It's more of the.....slackware way? If you know what I mean?
[00:29] <dragon> sectech: haven't tried slackware, but I can guess.
[00:30] <sectech> It doesn't expect the quirks of ubuntu... sometimes it thinks config files are in places where they are not... and they normally would be if the package was compiled from source...
[00:31] <dragon> sectech: does it read the config files and modifies only the relevant parts? or does it rewrite the whole thing in its own way?
[00:32] <sectech> I believe it re-writes the whole thing in the way it expects it to be...
[00:32] <sectech> which now that I think of it might be it's downfall.
[00:32] <dragon> sectech: that's what ebox did, without taking backups.
[00:33] <dragon> sectech: there's a dpkg command to restore the config files to their factory defaults, but I couldn't recall it.
[00:33] <sectech> wasn't it dpkg-reconfigure or something like that?
[00:34] <dragon> sectech: tried that on ntp, didn't work
[00:34] <dragon> sectech: finally I purged the package and reinstalled it
[00:34] <sectech> you could remove the package... do a purge and..... yeah you got it.
[00:35] <dragon> sectech: but that doesn't work in case of complex dependencies.
[00:35] <dragon> sectech: such as.. /etc/resolv.conf
[00:35] <sectech> How bad did it screw you up?
[00:36] <sectech> resolv.conf you can edit with a text editor... most people just throw in nameserver x.x.x.x
[00:36] <dragon> sectech: about 5-7 config files I think.
[00:36] <sectech> crap.
[00:37] <dragon> sectech: System is working, but after I pass it on to the client, I'm afraid it might create issues at some point.
[00:37] <dragon> sectech: I'll test webmin, but I'd really like to have the config files managed the ubuntu way. So probably no web interface for the client.
[00:38] <sectech> I wasn't paying attention to the entire conversation before I commented about vi...
[00:38] <sectech> is it just networking configuration your after?
[00:38] <dragon> sectech: I think I selected some more options in the web interfact.
[00:39] <sectech> I still manage a few servers through it... generally it works pretty well...
[00:40] <dragon> sectech: webmin? ubuntu servers?
[00:40] <sectech> yup... webmin with ubuntu servers.... One it manages a squid server, dovecot, ssh... and a few other things.
[00:41] <sectech> I leave ubuntu specific stuff to ubuntu tools though
[00:41] <dragon> sectech: ubuntu specific stuff like?
[00:43] <sectech> well for setting up basic networking I would sooner let network manager do it... or if I really can't afford a screw up (ie: I am deploying a machine to an end user), I'll edit the config files I need to with pico (text editor)... at least that way I know it will be set the way I want it.
[00:43] <sectech> my /etc/network/interfaces was done by hand... my resolve.conf was done by hand...
[00:44] <sectech> I am somewhat old school though... I came from a slackware where you had to compile and configure everything yourself.
[00:44] <sectech> I'll let swat deal with samba normally.
[00:45] <dragon> sectech: yeah that makes sense. I'm going to try webmin, probably tonight.
[00:45] <sectech> the rest webmin handles.
[00:46] <sectech> cool... good luck :)  Now back to my book... lol
[00:46] <dragon> sectech: yep, thanks. hasta la proxima.
[03:26] <crashsystems> Is anyone aware of a bug in 9.10 that would cause PDFs to not print? If I "print" the PDF into another PDF and print that, it works. I've been searching google and Launchpad, and while I see several PDF related bugs, I'm not sure if any of them exactly match my symptoms.
[06:35] <cool^tom> Hi
[06:35] <cool^tom> Is there a bug with Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 with regard to Java or Flash Player?
[09:09] <fir3fly> hi folks, where is the right place to report a possible kernel bug in ath5 module? and what infos will be needed to fix that?
[09:19] <poningru> fir3fly, it would be in launchpad
[09:20] <poningru> what's the issue?
[09:20] <poningru> fir3fly, I would recommend just posting dmesg, syslog, message or anything else that shows off the issue
[09:20] <poningru> if you have a method of fixing it then that too :)
[09:22] <fir3fly> hi poningru: the system freezes after unspecified time from 10min to some hours. Cannot find out what the problem is since there is no log entry that makes it clear. replacing the mini-pci adapter solves the issue
[09:23] <poningru> huh thats odd
[09:23] <poningru> fir3fly, what does dmesg say at those times?
[09:25] <fir3fly> dunno. i try to find out
[09:25] <poningru> fir3fly, I would recommend just putting up a launchpad bug and letting the bug triager help you figure it out
[09:25] <fir3fly> ok, thanks
[14:58] <bddebian> Boo
[15:09] <xteejx> hey guys
[15:21] <xteejx> I'm having trouble setting a bug watch for KDE
[15:21] <xteejx> I clicked also affects distro, but it then tells me I can't because I selected Ubuntu
[15:25] <xteejx> dont worry I got it :)
[15:28] <gnomefreak> how do i stop apps opening on the top right hand side? its covering gnome panel and i cant drag it anywhere
[15:34] <gnomefreak> it seems to only happen in gnome. xfce it works fine i can see the top of the app to move it
[15:40] <mac_v> bdmurray: hi... after the recent update to launchpad , there is an increasing trend of users are not subscribing to bugs ... i believe it is more because , there is no "subscribe to bug" near the comment section as was earlier... shouldnt we alteast subscribe the users [who are commenting] by default?
[15:50] <micahg1> mac_v: bug 414401
[15:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414401 in malone "Automatically subscribe users to bug mail when they post a comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414401
[15:53] <mac_v> oh... someone pls fix this ;)   after the recent update this has become worse :(  almost every new user is not subscribed
[15:53] <mac_v> micahg: thanks for the bug#
[15:59] <hggdh> mac_v: I guess you should pester #launchpad for it ;-)
[16:00]  * mac_v : modeset:pester ;)
[16:00] <micahg> mac_v: if people want to be subscribed they still can
[16:01] <mac_v> micahg: yeah , they still can , but previoulsy it was near the comment box and it was easier , now that checkbox is removed
[16:02] <micahg> mac_v: *I* was the one who complained about it in the first place :)
[17:02] <kilaz> why if i disconnect my notebook from acc, my ubuntu stoped ?
[17:21] <hggdh> bug 447134
[17:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 447134 in evolution-mapi "Evolution (MAPI) crashes when trying to view/open mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447134
[18:13] <wcGary83> Hi! Would anybody happen to know a work around for a show stopping bug I have on my laptop? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/463396)
[18:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 463396 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[GM45] No monitor output on laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:14] <wcGary83> Might there be an upstream package I could try?
[19:01] <zsquareplusc> that thing that displays the white ubuntu logo at boot, which package is that? usplash? the messages are flickering when a disk check is done.
[19:04] <micahg> zsquareplusc: I think that's xsplash now
[19:05] <micahg> zsquareplusc: which version
[19:05] <zsquareplusc> karmic, let me find out the exact version
[19:06] <micahg> zsquareplusc: nah, that's fine, xsplash
[19:06] <kklimonda> micahg: the white logo is still usplash afaik
[19:06] <qense> the thing with just the white ubuntu logo is indeed usplash
[19:06] <micahg> oh, really
[19:06]  * micahg stands corrected
[19:07] <qense> the brown thing with the sliding throbber is xplash
[19:07] <micahg> zsquareplusc: ^^^
[19:07] <micahg> I thought xsplash was replacing usplash
[19:09] <kklimonda> micahg: I think it's supposed to replace usplash completely in 10.04
[19:09] <micahg> ah, noted for future reference
[19:09] <kklimonda> there are some corner cases though - like encrypted disks or fsck running. Not sure how are they going to be handled
[19:11] <zsquareplusc> it did a fsck at this boot and there was a 3 line message that it is checking the disk. this message was displayed below the white logo (not the animated bar). the message flickered about every second, probably a screen refresh. but previous versions did not do that
[19:56] <skorasaurus> !usb
[19:56] <ubot4> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[20:58] <jcastro> bdmurray, ping
[21:00] <bdmurray> jcastro: hi
[21:00] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/307471
[21:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 307471 in cupsys "Multi bin printing broken in OpenOffice.org due to cupsys pstops filter bug" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:00] <jcastro> so the guy who patched this just pinged me
[21:00] <jcastro> can you explain what should have happened here to get the patch noticed?
[21:03] <bdmurray> jcastro: maybe subscribe the sponsors team but since it isn't a debdiff...
[21:03] <jcastro> don't we have a method in place to check bugs with patches attached?
[21:03] <bdmurray> yes, there is a report of bugs with patches attached but there are ~1600 of them
[21:05] <jcastro> yeah. :-/
[21:05] <jcastro> Is there anything I can do to help?
[21:06] <bdmurray> Come to the session at UDS?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:13] <kklimonda> jcastro: it should be converted into .debdiff and then motu-sru subscribed. when you get ack from then you need a sponsor from motu to get upload done
[21:13]  * BUGabundo waves at kklimonda
[21:14] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo - I got my wave invitation :)
[21:14] <kklimonda> jcastro: there is actually a good page about preparing a SRU
[21:15] <jcastro> kklimonda, right, I know all that, but what about the random person who just attaches a patch but doesn't know the ubuntu workflow?
[21:15] <kklimonda> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates - I have followed it and patch got uploaded :)
[21:15] <kklimonda> jcastro: I'd point him to wiki but I can see that he's really irritated already
[21:16] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ping me dude
[21:17] <kklimonda> jcastro: the question is - should we risk teaching him about SRU process just to see him go or prepare SRU ourselves.. I'd go with first option but I'm a bit pissed right now about lack of community in my country so I just tell them to help us ;)
[21:17] <jcastro> kklimonda, on a call right now, but I'd like to discuss it in a few minutes if you'll be around
[21:18] <joaopinto> providing a patch is a regular job done for most people, forcing them to do it on the Ubuntu way not be very friendly
[21:18] <joaopinto> way=may
[21:23] <kklimonda> joaopinto: as I said - I'm currently in a hate mode at my community ;)
[21:24] <kklimonda> joaopinto: but we desperately need new contributors :/
[21:25] <kklimonda> joaopinto: I'd say that people should at least prepare a SRU report and attach a raw patch - then someone who actually know how to test it may create debdiff and attache build logs..
[21:27] <jcastro> bdmurray, is there a wiki page or plan someplace on how you guys plan to tackle this problem?
[21:30] <bdmurray> jcastro: an idea of a team that would look at all patches and prepare debdiffs or upload them was discussed at the Karmic UDS but the implementation fell through
[21:30] <bdmurray> jcastro: so I'll be revisiting it this time around
[21:30] <jcastro> ok
[21:30] <jcastro> do people know there's a list of bugs with patches?
[21:31] <jcastro> maybe if it was more obvious to people that there's a huge backlog might help round up help?
[21:33] <bdmurray> jcastro: Where would you propose letting people know?  I believe its been mentioned a few times...
[21:34] <jcastro> bdmurray, just feels like it should be a wider goal for everyone than just for you guys
[21:34] <jcastro> bdmurray, I will attend your session. :)
[21:35] <bdmurray> jcastro: I mean I've blogged about it and its in the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches
[21:35] <bdmurray> jcastro: and its all in harvest-data
[21:35] <jcastro> yeah, except I don't think anyone is looking at that
[21:42] <kklimonda> Every time I have to use a BTS of other distribution I'm reminding myself how awesome Launchpad is.. if not for anything else it would be worth using Ubuntu just for Launchpad ;)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: +1
[21:53] <cwillu> kklimonda, I just don't understand why some people hate it so much
[21:54] <BUGabundo> uhhh cwillu too ?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> old timers :)
[21:54] <cwillu> poke poke :)
[21:54] <cwillu> !info gwibber
[21:54] <ubot4> cwillu: gwibber (source: gwibber): Open source microblogging client for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0~bzr476-0ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 380 kB, installed size 2616 kB
[21:55] <BUGabundo> or as I like to call it: MESS
[21:56] <micahg> BUGabundo: it's the hugday target this week :)
[21:56]  * BUGabundo hugs micahg
[22:48] <hggdh> yeee channel busy, cool
[22:49] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:49] <BUGabundo> where where
[22:49] <hggdh> well, it was one hour ago, and I just got back
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:32] <LimCore> hello there fellow ubuntu debuggers
[23:32] <LimCore> and hi backstabber
[23:32] <LimCore> so, everyone read the slashdot story right?
[23:32] <LimCore> man there shure are many bugs there.
[23:32] <LimCore> is defaulting to 2.6.28 kernel bug being fixed?
[23:36] <micahg> what?
[23:36] <vizeke> Hi everybody, I'm new in here. I just want to help making Ubuntu better. I'm graduated in Computer Science with a good work experience. What should be my first steps? I'm reading the MOTU/Contributing and Patching Guide... thank you
[23:36] <LimCore> bug #470490
[23:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470490 in grub "Does not update menu.lst even though it says it does (default to old 2.6.28 kernel after upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470490
[23:38] <jStefan> vizeke, did you read this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[23:39] <LimCore> vizeke: you can find out how to make it so that the reported bugs are being actually fixed. Then, tell me how you did it ;)
[23:40] <micahg> vizeke: Well, if you're looking to fix software, this isn't the place.  We triage the bugs here for the developers
[23:40] <vizeke> jStefan: Did not read that yet.
[23:40] <ikonia> LimCore: you know the drill about ranting
[23:40] <ikonia> LimCore: stop now - or leave
[23:41] <mrand> Limcore, your bug appears to be a duplicate of Bug 470490
[23:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470490 in grub "Does not update menu.lst even though it says it does (default to old 2.6.28 kernel after upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470490
[23:41] <mrand> rather, bug 470265
[23:41] <LimCore> mrand: 470490 is the bug reported by me
[23:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470265 in grub "[MASTER] jaunty to karmic upgrade failed to update menu.lst (update-grub missing from kernel-img.conf)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470265
[23:41] <vizeke> micahg: So, wheres the right place for a developer starting now with Ubuntu?
[23:42] <micahg> #ubuntu-motu
[23:42] <vizeke> thank you
[23:43] <micahg> good luck vizeke
[23:44] <LimCore> mrand: perhaps, although, comment by LukasThyWalls   would suggest he did run by hand the not-hooked command grub-update, which stould work around the bug,  but it did not work for him untill he removed old menu.lst - but perhaps he is mistaken here
[23:48] <LimCore> anyone using kmail with custom templates?  I'm looking for confirmation that the settings are being lost on upgrade to 9.10