[00:12] is jabber down for anyone else? [00:14] wow, people reporting lucid bugs already [00:15] almost like they are surprised that things don't work properly [00:17] Does anyone here have the seahorse-agent crash problem from bug 429322? [00:17] Launchpad bug 429322 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent assert failure: ERROR:iop-profiles.c:606:IOP_generate_profiles: assertion failed: (obj && (obj->profile_list == NULL) && obj->orb)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429322 [00:18] robert_ancell - i've not experienced that [00:18] what conditions seem to trigger it? [00:19] chrisccoulson, I haven't worked out what causes it - I've never seen it myself and the backtrace isn't giving me many clues [00:19] It seems reasonably common though [00:20] heh, yeah, i just noticed the gazillion duplicates there [00:23] robert_ancell - i've never seen the crash because i don't have seahorse-plugins installed ;) [00:23] lol [00:24] i've installed it and re-enabled apport now ;) [00:33] msg ArneGoetje hi [00:33] heh === bjf is now known as bjf-afk [07:53] audio or video file is played only after 10 sec in ubuntu 9.10 === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke [08:21] Good morning [08:22] bryce: are they at least tagged in any way, so that you could ignore them? [08:29] hello [08:55] hello everyone [08:58] good morning there [08:59] good morning seb128 [08:59] hey chrisccoulson [08:59] how are you? [08:59] not good this morning. my car has died! [08:59] so i'm stuck at home, which isn't all bad i suppose ;) [08:59] how are you? [08:59] I should stop autostarting my IRC in the morning it jumps everytime when connecting to wireless [08:59] I'm good thanks [09:00] what happened to your car? [09:00] hey seb128 [09:00] the auxilliary belt just snapped, but it has caused the timing belt to jump as well [09:00] hello pitti [09:00] which is not good :( [09:00] chrisccoulson: uh, good luck! [09:00] heh, thanks pitti [09:01] for that matter, I need to repair the bike of my wife; back in ~45 mins or so [09:01] * pitti yawns [09:01] spent until 1:30 am to unbreak udev [09:01] i'm having it recovered from my house in the nnext hhour or so, but i think it is the end for my car ;) [09:01] pitti, starting to repair things just after breakfast, brave of you ;-) [09:01] heh [09:01] udev, bikes, it's all the same [09:01] pitti, you managed to fix the udev fd leak issue? [09:01] seb128: yep [09:02] you rock [09:02] well, fixing an fd leak is dead simple [09:02] finding it is the challenge :) [09:02] * seb128 things chrisccoulson and pitti are in a who rock the most competition [09:02] tackling bugs every night [09:02] you forgot the magical seb128! [09:02] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:02] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:02] * pitti & [09:02] 123 bug emails from the night, not to bad, I can be done with that before 11 I think [09:03] 123 is not too bad [09:03] you can relax a bit more this morning ;) [09:05] right, bbl. got to go and take jo's car now to fetch all of the things i need from my car [09:07] hmm , anyone know if is a member of the desktop team or any other team? he drops by often and mentions something is not working [09:13] mac_v, I've read the nickname but he's not a known active member there [09:14] ah , then he might just have been looking for help here ... need to point him the #ubuntu [09:53] re [09:55] wb pitti [09:58] bug inbox 0 \o/ [09:58] * seb128 does some sru sponsoring now [09:59] you rock [09:59] pitti, that or I just spend too much time reading bug emails ;-) [09:59] well I've been better at spending less time on that this cycle [10:00] but I like to know where we stand after a stable and before starting a new cycle too [10:00] I hope I can spend more time on reading bugs in the lucid cycle [10:02] brb [10:10] >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/ :( [10:11] right, time for me to go to work now [10:13] re [10:13] karmic tages ages to boot there :-( [10:15] mac_v: that is indeed pretty negative :/ [10:15] a friend of mine ranted as well already [10:17] mvo, what? review? [10:17] pitti, about? [10:17] seb128: the link that mac_v posted [10:17] seb128: I was blown away by how fast karmic booted on my dell machine [10:17] mvo, I just rebooted so didn't get it [10:17] andreasn, ssd drive? [10:18] seb128: pulseaudio, policykit behaviour, and docking station handling primarily [10:18] seb128: >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/ [10:19] seb128: not sure, how do I check that? [10:19] andreasn, you would probably know if you had one [10:20] Hi [10:21] hum, why does they say karmic install 2.6.28? [10:21] FWIW , hardware sucks... for my hardware Karmic was so much better than Jaunty ... I'v been using Karmic since alpha2 and for me , apart for the occasional crashes, it was more stable than Jaunty final and worked even better... I guess that alpha testers who had problems , reported the issues and the bugs were fixed... I guess it might be just that we dont have a widespread alpha tester base :( [10:21] I'm using Karmic and I have installed the PPA version of empathy, Can one get cam from another MSN user even if you don't have a cam installed on your side? (This works on MSN Live) [10:22] GerardT, try #telepathy [10:22] thanks [10:22] seb128: so yeah, I think it's just a regular disk. I feel every release boots faster and faster (although this was the first time I installed ubuntu on that machine) [10:22] will do [10:22] GerardT, we are not working on the ppa version [10:22] pitti, mvo: karmic has lot of issues but this article is a crap one [10:23] not sure where they got the linux version used wrong [10:23] seb128: I installed the PPA because MSN vid call is disabled :D [10:23] and what sort of issue upgrades get [10:23] GerardT, it's disabled for a reason, it's early code and lack stability [10:24] aah [10:24] the Telepathy page didn't mention that :D [10:25] Tired of running XP in a VM just for Vid conferencing, I was hoping Telepathy fixed that. [10:25] Thanks for the help seb128 [10:25] you're welcome [10:25] seb128: you need to comment on the page or contact the author about the mistakes , in the article, this article is bad PR :( [10:25] GerardT, well it might work for you it's worth testing [10:26] mac_v, right, unfortunate but you will always have different press stories anyway [10:26] I tried with a friend and the call never came through but I don't have cam, so it might be the code needs a cam on both sides of the connection [10:26] * seb128 wonders if somebody read my ubuntu-desktop email or care [10:26] I feel I waster an hour writing it yesterday [10:26] I feel I waster an hour writing it yesterday [10:26] ups [10:27] seb128: was that mail a call for early testers? i was a bit confused [10:27] mac_v, not really no [10:27] ah ,ok [10:28] seb128: it is [10:28] it was rather a call to organize efforts on quality [10:28] seb128: that is a bug in grub apparently, there was a discussion about this the other day [10:28] mvo, it is what? one hour wasted? ;-) [10:28] seb128: its a crap article [10:28] mvo, oh :-( [10:29] you will always find somebody who got unlucky with some hardware [10:29] I expect we got similar reviews about intel in jaunty [10:30] pitti, what was wrong with the murrine update? [10:30] seb128: see bug; it adds a patch to series which wasn't included in the diff [10:30] gni? [10:30] Very impressed with Karmic btw. [10:30] GerardT, thanks ;-) [10:31] pitti, oh right, thanks for spotting it [10:33] pitti, reuploaded [10:34] pitti, that's me who sucked and tried to clean the config.guess and config.sub from the debdiff [10:34] I overlooked the other changes while cleaning [10:35] I don't know what changed in the sound drivers but the volume is WAY better in Karmic than Jaunty [10:36] seb128: np; thanks [10:36] pitti, oh, you sponsored robert_ancell's rhythmbox change too, thanks [10:40] hey again chrisccoulson [10:40] chrisccoulson, I sponsored your gnome-desktop sru [10:40] seb128 - thanks [10:43] pitti - how did you track down the udev issue? [10:43] that's quite a non-obvious issue ;) [10:44] chrisccoulson: I did some IRC/ssh debugging on huat's machine; first we noticed that it works when restarting udedv (i. e. when "sudo stop udev"/"udevd --debug" -> heisenbug) [10:45] chrisccoulson: so I straced the udevd after boot, found that it threw millions of "too many open files" errors, looked at /proc/pid/fd/ and saw that it kept > 1000 dirs open to /dev/.udev/db/links/ [10:45] pitti, just curious but why retracers keep crashing? [10:45] pitti, do you want me to help on cleaning and restarting those? [10:45] pitti - that's good work though. it's quite a tricky issue to track down [10:46] chrisccoulson: then I noticed that I got the issue as well when doing an udev trigger on my usb stick [10:46] chrisccoulson: then the fun bit was to stare at strace and the code long enough to find out where the leak happened :) [10:46] seb128: I just restarted them a couple of times, but they keep crashing with "bad gateway" and 403 erros [10:46] haven't looked into that yet, sorry [10:47] pitti, I was not asking you to have a look I was rather asking if you want me to do the clean and restart game for a while [10:47] so it's not always you [10:47] seb128: that would be nice [10:47] ok, will do [10:47] but I think there's an underlying bug [10:47] right, but meanwhile let's keep them going this way [10:47] seb128: it might be worth checkign if it always crashes on the same bug [10:47] until we look at the issue [10:47] if not, we could just keep restarting them [10:47] if it's the same bug, perhaps just untag it for now [10:48] ok, I will keep an eye on what happens [10:48] merci! [10:48] you're welcome [10:49] * pitti syncs some utopia love to lucid [10:57] ooh, i didn't realise the toolchain was uploaded already [10:57] when are we starting the gnome 2.29.1 updates? ;) [10:58] pitti - do you think that gnome bug 600488 is worth a SRU? (I haven't reported the issue on LP yet though) [10:58] Gnome bug 600488 in general "Totem is leaking session inhibitors" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600488 [10:59] chrisccoulson, wait for somebody to complain maybe and batch with other changes? [11:00] ie we can wait maybe to fix some extra issues [11:00] seb128 - yeah, maybe. i'll have a look and see if there are any other gnome-screensaver issues too [11:00] after rebooting over 10 times and checking my uptime directly after the desktop has settled, i've made one observation -- sreadahead is crap that doesn't do anything >_> [11:00] chrisccoulson, oh it's gnome-screensaver [11:00] chrisccoulson, go for it [11:01] seb128 - thanks. i'll prepare the update for that later [11:01] yeah, i initially thought the bug was totem, but i didn't realise that gnome-screensaver is meant to clear up these inhibitors too. it is that bit which currently doesn't work [11:03] chrisccoulson, did you figure why it's breaking on normal closing for you? [11:03] hyperair: try ureadahead from the ubuntu-boot ppa :) [11:03] chrisccoulson: hm, doesn't sound like a terribly critical issue to me, but go ahead if you think it's important; I tend to agree to seb128 to bundle it with other fixes, though [11:03] Ng: yet another Xreadahead?! [11:04] Ng: what's new in this one? [11:04] hyperair: it has even more Keybuk magic (I have no idea ;) [11:04] seb128 - no, i'm not sure about that. do you see any warnings related to inhibiting when you run totem from the terminal? [11:04] Ng: and i'm willing to give anything a go if it'll decrease my bootup time (currently 2m-2m30s) [11:16] chrisccoulson1, no [11:29] mpt: do you have slides from your Interface Bloopers talk available somewhere? [11:30] andreasn, just uploaded it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewPaulThomas?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Bloopers.pdf [11:31] I saw a book the other day called GUI Bloopers, know if it's any good? [11:41] andreasn, I read it many years ago, and I really don't remember [11:42] I'll see if I can get it from the library instead of buying it [11:46] fta: pling pling [11:49] kenvandine - is your xchat-gnome indicator work publicly available anywhere? [11:55] apachelogger, plong plong [11:56] fta: yo, is there something wrong with the chromium dailies? [11:56] such as? [11:56] fta: not producing any dailies [11:57] hm, let me check [11:57] fta: some dude keeps complaining that it is broken for 5 days now [11:58] apachelogger, i fixed it yesterday, but apparently, there's a new problem [11:59] I see [12:00] apachelogger, *sigh* another -Werror FTBFS. I'll poke upstream (i don't want to carry too many patches in my dailies) [12:00] fta: ok, thanks :) [12:00] pitti - speaking of rolling gnome-screensaver updates all together - i've also been looking at bug 428884 with siretart [12:00] Launchpad bug 428884 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver --poke functionality does no longer inhibit screen blanking" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428884 [12:01] i'm not sure what is acceptable for a SRU, but it seems that the only way to reset the IDLETIME counter is to use something like XTestFakeKeyPress, which is what other software already does too [12:01] apachelogger, it's funny people are complaining to you and not to me [12:03] fta, don't use -Werror in daily builds? ;-) [12:03] fta, don't use -Werror in daily builds? ;-) [12:03] ups [12:03] * seb128 kicks touchpad [12:04] * seb128 kicks touchpad [12:04] * seb128 kicks touchpad [12:04] we should have a way to turn it off for people using the other pointing device === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:05] fta: generally complaining to the kubuntu team ;) [12:05] seb128 - didn't there used to be a way to switch it off? [12:05] some other users would like that functionality back too [12:05] chrisccoulson1, not in karmic [12:06] you could switch it off in jaunty though couldn't you? [12:07] yeah it used to be possible [12:07] seb128: Is bonob et al going away in lucid? If not, I am actually enclined to stick with bonob for a11y for lucid. [12:07] seb128, upstream uses it, it prefer to stick with it and report errors on the flow. i'm trying to convince google to include karmic in their official build farm (they have hardy and jaunty already but gcc4.4 has shown hundreds of new problems) [12:07] bonobo [12:13] chrisccoulson1, yup [12:13] https://launchpad.net/xchat-gnome-indicator [12:13] kenvandine - thanks :) [12:13] chrisccoulson1, just pushed it last night :) [12:13] please test [12:14] i will have a play around with that later [12:14] you need my patched xchat-gnome though, there was an xchat feature that hadn't been implemented in xchat-gnome yet that i needed [12:14] kenvandine: is gwibber supposed to show "new message" in the indicator? [it currently doesnt for me] [12:14] TheMuso`, no [12:14] mac_v, only replies [12:14] oh , ok [12:14] TheMuso`, there is at least gnome-panel using it [12:14] kenvandine - is there a branch for your patched xchat-gnome too? [12:15] TheMuso`, gconf too [12:15] chrisccoulson1, https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome [12:15] it is waiting to be built in my ppa [12:15] excellent, thanks:) [12:15] bbiab [12:17] kenvandine, does it work with the regular xchat? [12:44] seb128: seems that the retracer is making progress; I just remove the locks again, so that it can catch up [12:49] pitti, thanks, sorry I was away for lunch and didn't get to look at those before === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:24] fta, it does [13:24] but, it needs to be installed in a different rid [13:24] s/rid/dir [13:24] i should make that a build option [13:25] fta, you can just build it locally and load .libs/indicator.so [13:32] kenvandine, maybe i should just give xchat-gnome another try.. [13:33] in fact, i already have notifications from xchat.. not sure where they come from though [13:34] * kenvandine is now puzzled why local builds of xchat-gnome create xchat-gnome-common but it isn't in the ppa [13:36] oh... it's arch indep [13:37] kenvandine, should be built anyway no? [13:40] pitti, retracers crashed again I will restart them from now and look at issues [13:45] mvo: I updated the compiz no_wrapper branch to include a max texture size check, should have every feature of the shell script that is still useful now [13:45] seb128_, it will be [13:45] the i386 build is stuck [13:45] ah ok [13:45] est start in 14h === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [13:46] submitted 7 hours ago [13:46] the ppa builds can get slow when buildders are loaded [13:46] seb128, you should try out that plugin :) [13:46] this max texture size check is more accurate too since we've already setup the GL environment like we need it and compiz has two ways it can handle textures that each have their own max size [13:46] will do [13:46] it does require a patch to xchat-gnome, just to implement the GUI FOCUS command [13:46] * kenvandine goes to submit that upstream now [13:46] * Amaranth wonders when he will be able to upload compiz stuff [13:47] 10 sec audio delay when i start playing any audio in karmic koala [13:52] albasheers, try launchpad to submit bugs [13:52] ok [13:52] you probably want to open the bug on pulseaudio there [13:55] heh, the karmic-proposed testers are an enthusiastic bunch [13:55] 3 thumbs up in a couple of hours versus no comments for a hardy-proposed update thats been sat around since friday [13:55] yeah [13:55] but not surprising [13:56] Amaranth: nice, thanks [13:56] * pitti copies to lucid [13:56] it's good that users participate in the SRU process [13:58] seb128, btw that xchat-gnome plugin suffers from the same focus problem as empathy and pidgin when raised from the indicator [13:58] * kenvandine is annoyed [14:00] kenvandine, it's disappointing that the dxteam washes hand and consider the issue not their issue when the user experience is so poor there [14:01] yeah, there needs to be a generic way of fixing this [14:01] we shouldn't need to go into each app and force it [14:01] like i really don't want to have to patch xchat-gnome to make it force focus [14:03] does anyone understand why this behaviour occurs? [14:04] i find it really annoying too [14:04] What is happening? [14:04] Oh, right, focus stealing prevention [14:04] heh :) Amaranth has a highlight on focus - I'm sure :P [14:04] Amaranth - yes, specifically with apps launched from the indicator [14:04] focus focus focus :P [14:05] Right, because the WM sees you clicking on the indicator thing [14:06] So you need to have the app that is trying to get focus have a timestamp that comes after this click [14:06] yeah, that's what i was wondering [14:06] iirc I told this to someone before... [14:06] But it would involve changing code in each app that has an indicator plugin [14:06] I can't think of any other way to do it [14:07] kenvandine: is xchat-gnome is similar to xchat? or any features are missing from it? [14:07] some features missing [14:07] mac_v: ban lists :/ [14:07] but nothing important :) [14:07] ha [14:07] imho [14:07] * kenvandine has never found a need for ban lists [14:07] * Amaranth puts his Op Team hat on [14:07] ban lists are very important [14:08] mac_v, i estimate it is about 60% of the xchat features, enough for average users [14:08] and it has a much better UI :) [14:08] oh... i *never* tried xchat-gnome ,since folks kept telling that is had problems , ubt since kenvandine is getting the indicator plugin , I'm tempted :) [14:08] problems? [14:08] but* [14:09] i only just started using xchat-gnome [14:09] * kenvandine has been using it for years, love it :) [14:09] i used empathy for IRC before, so xchat-gnome is a big step up [14:09] kenvandine: i dont know what problems , but that was probably near hardy or earlier... i dont eve remember :) [14:09] chrisccoulson, hehe... [14:10] I've been using xchat-gnome since it first made it into Ubuntu but I still miss ban lists [14:10] There has been a menu item for them this whole time too, it's just grayed out [14:10] Oh, xchat-gnome also falls over when you type "ma" and more than one nick matches [14:10] Amaranth, those are an admin feature though [14:10] kenvandine: ... so if i install xchat-gnome most of the settings from xchat [~/.xchat] will be used? [14:11] ~/.xchat2 rather [14:15] !test [14:15] yes, I'm alive. [14:16] !suicide [14:16] Sorry, I don't know anything about suicide [14:17] !helping humans [14:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about helping humans [14:18] mac_v, yes, it uses all the xchat settings [14:19] awesome... /me migrates [14:19] kenvandine: thanks :) [14:21] woot [14:21] mac_v, you should grab my source and build it locally :) [14:22] i added an un-implemented feature that is needed for the indicator plugin [14:22] https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome/+packages [14:22] for the xchat-gnome sources [14:22] and lp:~ken-vandine/xchat-gnome-indicator/packaging [14:22] for the plugin sources [14:23] and just build them both locally for now [14:24] * chrisccoulson needs to think about what to work on in lucid [14:24] oh... [14:25] kenvandine: ok cool , I'll do that then in a bit :) ... [14:25] thanks again :) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === bjf-afk is now known as bjf [15:26] * ccheney` is on a really slow wifi link in orvieto [15:32] grr link is so slow i can't even sort my email [15:36] * ccheney` bbl [15:36] ccheney`: hm, have you seen the issues around bug #450569 ? [15:36] Launchpad bug 450569 in update-manager "package openoffice.org-emailmerge 1:3.0.1-9ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450569 [15:36] seb128: the increasing trend of users are not subscribing to bugs is after the new version of launchpad landed... there is no "subscribe to bug" near the comment section... shouldnt we alteast subscribe the users by default? [15:37] or should this be discussed with bdmurray? [15:37] I think subscribe when commenting should be the default yes [15:41] seb128: could I have your opinion on bug #469399 ? is there any harm in just removing a a icon-theme.cache file if its already there? [15:41] Launchpad bug 469399 in update-manager "Could not install 'gnome-accessibility-themes' & 'gnome-themes-more'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469399 [15:43] mvo, no, it's just a cache the gtk-update-icon-cache call will do a new one [15:43] mvo, weird error though [15:43] "gtk-update-icon-cache: Failed to open file /usr/share/icons/Amaranth/.icon-theme.cache : File exists" [15:43] could be that the case got corrupted or something [15:44] * Amaranth hates that theme [15:44] lol [15:44] mvo, I think .icon-theme.cache is a temp file though, which could means the cache update fails for this theme [15:46] Amaranth: been hiding a secret theme, eh? ;) [15:47] seb128: good morning, debdiff (karmic) for bug 460050 is attached to the bug [15:47] Launchpad bug 460050 in evolution "Pressing Enter or Tab in a new memo line (in memo list) exits Evolution" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460050 [15:47] seb128: hm, ok. so its either a corrupted file or a bug in the theme and a misleading error message? [15:48] * mvo looks at the source of gtk-update-icon-cache [15:53] is it just me or is epiphany in karmic crashing a lot? [15:53] hggdh, thanks [15:53] mvo, right [15:53] mvo, I think the file starting with a . is a temp file not the cache so the cache update probably failed for a reason there [15:54] mvo, the reason could be that there is something in this theme making the cache update command unhappy [15:54] or a one time bug on the user side [15:54] mvo, dunno about epiphany I use firefox now [15:54] I would not be surprised they use webkit now and it didn't stabilize yet [15:54] ie still new code compared to the gecko version [15:55] seb128: a question: on bug 460710 we now have tasks for Lucid. What am I supposed to do there? [15:55] Launchpad bug 460710 in gtk2-engines-murrine "Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460710 [15:55] and sorry for bothering you :-) [15:55] seb128: I don't use it much, but it crashes for me after ~5 min usually [15:55] hggdh: well for an SRU you usually want to get the fix into lucid first [15:55] or at least I was always told to do so [15:55] and lucid is open now... [15:56] oh [15:57] so should I debuild -S -sa or -S -si? [15:57] mvo: that bug hggdh just pasted is related to the progress bar... [maybe the same is affecting synaptic too] [15:58] * mvo looks [15:58] hggdh, nothing for lucid, pitti will pocket copy binaries [15:58] seb128: thank you [15:59] theorically fixes should land in lucid first if we have changes there [15:59] but when the version is the same in karmic and lucid we just copy things [15:59] ah [16:00] this I did not know :) [16:00] then again I've only ever done SRUs after debian import started [16:00] and I've only done two, I think :) [16:00] Amaranth: I wish I just did not know *this*, but the depth of my ignorance is astounding [16:01] hggdh: It's ok, I just read way too much [16:01] So I can tell you a little bit about how a lot of things work [16:29] desktop team meeting in 1 minute! [16:30] * ArneGoetje waves [16:30] * pedro_ waves [16:31] re [16:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-11-03 [16:31] internet disconnected and I didn't notice [16:31] o/ [16:31] or rather ip changed and I didn't notice [16:31] asac is on holiday [16:31] pitti, I guess you didn't get my "not you too!"? ;-) [16:31] bryce, ccheney` [16:31] pitti, about quilt in g-d-u [16:31] seb128_: erm, no? [16:31] oh right meeting is one hour earlier [16:32] kenvandine, Riddell tkamppeter [16:32] seb128_: pkg-utopia standard, sorry; but we don't actually have gdu patches [16:32] * kenvandine waves [16:32] pitti, just noticed that you add quilt use to g-d-u so I added a "not you too!" comment ;-) [16:32] pitti, yeah, just joking [16:32] shall we start? [16:32] let's [16:33] there are two agenda items [16:33] 1. review goals [16:33] 2. blueprints/UDS [16:33] 1 is quick [16:33] review goals are "due" by today [16:33] that means objectives plugged into the web site [16:33] # If you can't get them in by today, let me know and shoot for eow [16:34] # If you don't have goals, no problems. Just think about what you want to write about yourself in your review, and make some goals that will make that review easier to write [16:34]