pwnguin | RAOF: i guess i dont understand; i dont expect nouveau supports 3d on my laptop. should i? | 01:55 |
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RAOF | pwnguin: Depends on your definition of "support", I think. | 02:06 |
RAOF | What I was actually getting at is "that's expected to be slow, because of no 3D". | 02:06 |
RAOF | Although, if your definition of "support" includes "probably works, but the developers still don't want bugs yet", then I believe that nouveau has sufficient 3d support for some devs to use compiz as their WM. | 02:08 |
pwnguin | all i was saying was it works fine everywhere one expects | 02:28 |
pwnguin | its a bit odd that UNR uses clutter, since ive never seen anything amazing animated via it | 02:28 |
AlanBell | morning all | 08:38 |
AlanBell | I am struggling with bug 428769 | 08:38 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 428769 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "compiz starts with a blank screen on a 2048x1152 monitor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428769 | 08:38 |
AlanBell | can anyone point me in the right direction to look at the code involved | 08:39 |
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tormod | bryce, hi, do you plan syncing the xorg stack with Debian pretty soon? | 17:52 |
bryce | tormod, next week perhaps | 17:54 |
bryce | tormod, well, just depends on moving the box I'm on to lucid first ;-) | 17:54 |
tormod | ok, I guess "moving to lucid" just means upgrading a few packages for now :) | 17:55 |
tormod | is http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html up to date? | 17:56 |
bryce | should be yeah | 17:56 |
bryce | although note it's not updated to lucid yet | 17:57 |
* bryce looks at the -nvidia bug list and shudders | 17:59 | |
bryce | people are complaining a lot about -nvidia in forums and stuff, but it's unclear if it is a serious X error, or just mangled configs | 18:00 |
bryce | ugh, too many bug reports | 18:15 |
bryce | tormod, as we will be syncing from Debian testing, do you think this will cause any problems/confusion with xorg-edgers? | 18:15 |
bryce | hopefully not, guess we'll see | 18:16 |
tormod | bryce, there should be no big problem, since we don't have so many packages in xorg-edgers for Karmic | 18:17 |
tormod | it could have been a problem if a high-version package in xorg-edgers would "block" a Lucid package which has some needed Ubuntu patches | 18:18 |
tormod | actually the reason I brought this up is that I was thinking of seeding xorg-edgers/lucid with all the Debian stuff | 18:18 |
tormod | but then I might just wait for next week | 18:19 |
tormod | bryce, we need some AI for dealing with bug reports... | 18:20 |
tormod | apropos forum, I got a "forum warning" for RTFM'ing about xorg-edgers lol | 18:21 |
tormod | there are immense numbers of people subscribed to xorg-edgers (thanks to many "helpful" forum guides) which do not know what a PPA is, or how to install another version of a package etc | 18:24 |
bryce | yeah, i'm really getting frustrated trying to keep up with bug triaging | 18:24 |
bryce | heh, that's funny | 18:25 |
tormod | it's a great testament to upstream that git master is so stable - people were downloading their daily xorg-edgers crack as if it was normal package updates | 18:26 |
bryce | it's good the bleeding edge stuff is getting tested, but I wonder if people are using xorg-edgers too much as a "solution" rather than a testing tool | 18:26 |
tormod | only when -intel dropped UMS there was serious trouble... | 18:26 |
tormod | everything on the forums is a "solution" ;) | 18:26 |
bryce | ugh | 18:30 |
bryce | forum users seem like the worst bug reporters | 18:31 |
bryce | actually I've been thinking "bug report" is a bad term, it covers a whole range of different levels | 18:31 |
bryce | "complaint", "support request", "defect report", "change request" | 18:32 |
bryce | seems like most bug reports we see are towards the left end, but we need them towards the right before we can make action on them | 18:33 |
tormod | about forums: it's an own breed looks like, the forum is a bit separated from other Ubuntu venues. Got a private message from some people wanting to build up a new documentation structure in some closed-group fashion. wiki and doc team anyone? | 18:36 |
tormod | bugs: what about the "symptom" wizard in ubuntu-bug? | 18:37 |
bryce | yep, the apport-symptom stuff. I added some logic there, but not sure if anyone has been using it | 18:38 |
bryce | my thinking though is that it would be able to handhold the user past the first two levels and be more likely to generate an actionable defect report | 18:39 |
tormod | is your apport logic enabled? it only asks about "storage devices"? | 18:39 |
bryce | dunno, I committed it to bzr but that may not have been uploaded to the distro yet | 18:40 |
tormod | guess not, just run "ubuntu-bug" and there are no "display issue" choice | 18:41 |
bryce | iirc it was the last thing I worked on before disappearing on paternity leave; I assumed pitti would upload it, but I never had a chance to look at it again after | 18:41 |
bryce | btw, the coding is quite easy, if you'd like to have a go at adding to it please do | 18:42 |
tormod | if it is working, maybe a SRU would be appropriate | 18:42 |
bryce | I would worry it might not be useful enough yet | 18:42 |
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