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pwnguinRAOF: i guess i dont understand; i dont expect nouveau supports 3d on my laptop. should i?01:55
RAOFpwnguin: Depends on your definition of "support", I think.02:06
RAOFWhat I was actually getting at is "that's expected to be slow, because of no 3D".02:06
RAOFAlthough, if your definition of "support" includes "probably works, but the developers still don't want bugs yet", then I believe that nouveau has sufficient 3d support for some devs to use compiz as their WM.02:08
pwnguinall i was saying was it works fine everywhere one expects02:28
pwnguinits a bit odd that UNR uses clutter, since ive never seen anything amazing animated via it02:28
AlanBellmorning all08:38
AlanBellI am struggling with bug 42876908:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428769 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "compiz starts with a blank screen on a 2048x1152 monitor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42876908:38
AlanBellcan anyone point me in the right direction to look at the code involved08:39
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tormodbryce, hi, do you plan syncing the xorg stack with Debian pretty soon?17:52
brycetormod, next week perhaps17:54
brycetormod, well, just depends on moving the box I'm on to lucid first ;-)17:54
tormodok, I guess "moving to lucid" just means upgrading a few packages for now :)17:55
tormodis http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html up to date?17:56
bryceshould be yeah17:56
brycealthough note it's not updated to lucid yet17:57
* bryce looks at the -nvidia bug list and shudders17:59
brycepeople are complaining a lot about -nvidia in forums and stuff, but it's unclear if it is a serious X error, or just mangled configs18:00
bryceugh, too many bug reports18:15
brycetormod, as we will be syncing from Debian testing, do you think this will cause any problems/confusion with xorg-edgers?18:15
brycehopefully not, guess we'll see18:16
tormodbryce, there should be no big problem, since we don't have so many packages in xorg-edgers for Karmic18:17
tormodit could have been a problem if a high-version package in xorg-edgers would "block" a Lucid package which has some needed Ubuntu patches18:18
tormodactually the reason I brought this up is that I was thinking of seeding xorg-edgers/lucid with all the Debian stuff18:18
tormodbut then I might just wait for next week18:19
tormodbryce, we need some AI for dealing with bug reports...18:20
tormodapropos forum, I got a "forum warning" for RTFM'ing about xorg-edgers lol18:21
tormodthere are immense numbers of people subscribed to xorg-edgers (thanks to many "helpful" forum guides) which do not know what a PPA is, or how to install another version of a package etc18:24
bryceyeah, i'm really getting frustrated trying to keep up with bug triaging18:24
bryceheh, that's funny18:25
tormodit's a great testament to upstream that git master is so stable - people were downloading their daily xorg-edgers crack as if it was normal package updates18:26
bryceit's good the bleeding edge stuff is getting tested, but I wonder if people are using xorg-edgers too much as a "solution" rather than a testing tool18:26
tormodonly when -intel dropped UMS there was serious trouble...18:26
tormodeverything on the forums is a "solution" ;)18:26
bryceugh18:30
bryceforum users seem like the worst bug reporters18:31
bryceactually I've been thinking "bug report" is a bad term, it covers a whole range of different levels18:31
bryce"complaint", "support request", "defect report", "change request"18:32
bryceseems like most bug reports we see are towards the left end, but we need them towards the right before we can make action on them18:33
tormodabout forums: it's an own breed looks like, the forum is a bit separated from other Ubuntu venues. Got a private message from some people wanting to build up a new documentation structure in some closed-group fashion. wiki and doc team anyone?18:36
tormodbugs: what about the "symptom" wizard in ubuntu-bug?18:37
bryceyep, the apport-symptom stuff.  I added some logic there, but not sure if anyone has been using it18:38
brycemy thinking though is that it would be able to handhold the user past the first two levels and be more likely to generate an actionable defect report18:39
tormodis your apport logic enabled? it only asks about "storage devices"?18:39
brycedunno, I committed it to bzr but that may not have been uploaded to the distro yet18:40
tormodguess not, just run "ubuntu-bug" and there are no "display issue" choice18:41
bryceiirc it was the last thing I worked on before disappearing on paternity leave; I assumed pitti would upload it, but I never had a chance to look at it again after18:41
brycebtw, the coding is quite easy, if you'd like to have a go at adding to it please do18:42
tormodif it is working, maybe a SRU would be appropriate18:42
bryceI would worry it might not be useful enough yet18:42
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